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[CLKD]

Also, many girls (and some boys) chased celebrities; not necessarily in the Beeb.  It was 'the thing' because people had more money in order to go events, parents probably expected their children to be in a safe environment.  How many of us would have run to our parents had we been tampered with? ……….. I suppose I had been warned about 'odd' people  , as well as having no freedom in that when I was told to be home by a certain time, home I had to be.  I lived in a very controlled house and my parents wouldn't allow me go to dances etc. ……… although my sister was allowed to discos at the age of 9 

[CLKD]

I have to ask: where were the parents in these situations  .  One player stated yesterday on TV that he 'thought that was what he had to do in order to get picked for football' ……….. a bit like young girls who want to be models/film stars/pop singers …………

When we have sports events parents/guardians have to be present.  It's part of the Child Protection Policy for Archery.  Each Club now has to a have Protection Officer and there are strict guidelines in place.

Listening to Cliff talking with Michael Ball brought me to tears earlier 

[Ju Ju]

Don't assume the parents didn't care. Children can be groomed, or those close to them threatened if they talk. Teenage years are difficult enough with hormones flying around. Parents have tread carefully even if there is no trauma in the background. The signs of abuse are rarely obvious and if the child is afraid or too ashamed or scared to talk, what hope has the parent got?

[CLKD]

I do not assume that the parents didn't care exactly but surely ………. I suppose it was thought that children would be 'safe' she in such situations.  Some of these boys were as young as 8/9 ……. I think these kinds of revelations are going to keep cropping up for years.

[Taz2]

When we have sports events parents/guardians have to be present.  It's part of the Child Protection Policy for Archery.  Each Club now has to a have Protection Officer and there are strict guidelines in place

I didn't know that CLKD - Do you mean that no events can take place without each child (under 18 year old) being accompanied? Makes the DBS/CRB checks a bit meaningless?

Taz x

[Pennyfarthing]

Apparently these sickos groom the parents first. There was an expert from a charity on TV yesterday and she said they go out of their way to meet the parents, tell them what talented kids they have, how they can help and encourage them etc etc then when the parents are satisfied that joining these clubs and attending events will develop their potential, they strike.  They are lulled into a false sense of security.

[CLKD]

Yep  Taz2 - nice to see you on board.  We are not a creche.  If parents want their children to have archery as a sport then they have to show enthusiasm; it works too.  Parents who get fed up with waiting around usually do the Beginners' Course ……..  .  Once the child is competent they are allowed to progress at their own speed so that Coaches can go back to shooting.  Therefore the child is required to have a guardian present.  There is a trained Protection Officer in the Club who is also a parent and all Members now the protocol laid down.

PF - hopefully parents will be more inclined to check the Organisation's Child Protection Policies.

[CLKD]

CRB checks are workable until a person is 'caught'.  The Forms show if a person has been 'suspect' previously

[CLKD]

For over 15 years ........... 

Do these men go into the industry simply to enable them to groom young people?

[CLKD]

??  John Barrowman flying close to the wind ?? 

[Pennyfarthing]

Did anybody see tonight’s programme?  It still staggers me that so many people thought  he was a nice person to be around, like many celebs, hospital bosses, MPs and even the royals.

I remember many years ago reading his book and I was totally shocked at some of the content where he talked about bedding young girls of 14 and 15 and I could not believe how this was allowed to even be published.

[CLKD]

I didn't see that.  I saw TV adverts for Gary Glitter too 

[CLKD]

A new TV drama sees actor Steve Coogan portray one of the most notorious paedophiles and sex offenders in British criminal history: Jimmy Savile.


Does any1 else find it sick that a programme could even be considered ?  I can't stand that Coogan bloke  in any form: is he getting a lot of £dosh to be taking on this role? 

[getting_old]

It's not something I'd ever watch, and I think it could be distressing for the victims. I'd hope they have been consulted, but honestly, I can't see what purpose it actually serves. Surely the best thing is for it to be left alone.

[Penguin]

I wouldn't watch it either and I don't know why they even wanted to make it tbh, can't see the value at all. And yes, very distressing for the victims and their families.