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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: discogirl on February 12, 2023, 07:46:11 AM
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Well, I feel as if I'm back to square one!
I increased my oestrogel to 4 pumps at the beginning of december. My sleep started to improve and things seemed to be going okay. I did notice however after about a month on the 4 pumps, my tinnitus returned ( may not be connected) However, since January I also noticed my boobs were very sore, this gradually got worse to the point where they felt 'hot' to touch and were also massive and felt heavy. Last week, after my sleep being okay I had what I can only describe as what my sleep was lilke when I first started hrt in august, I was tired but my brain felt wired and I got about 1 or 2 hrs sleep.
After a lot of thinking I decided a few days ago to reduce my gel to 3 pumps to see if that helps my boobs, as I was wondering if I was on too much gel. One of the main symptoms is sore boobs ( I know that's also side effect of the gel but I had the sore boobs initially after about 1mnth in, but the sore boobs came back).
Last night, I again felt tired but wired and again only got about 1 or 2 hours sleep.
Is this just my body adjusting to the decrease in gel? I'm even thinking about taking the utro in the morning just in case it could be that ( I use it vaginally)
To be perfectly honest, I really feel at the end of the road now; I've even started to wonder if my symptoms were a result of the menopause anyway. Initially my symptoms were tinnitus, insomnia and anxiety. I am post meno and before I started hrt my estradiol readings were 19, however my gp said he expects post meno ladies readings to be low.
Sorry for rambling on but I really don't know what to do and could do with some advice regarding all this mess.
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Disco, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is like we find the right dosage then suddenly symptoms return. I can understand why you are fed up with it all.
I notice you are very sensitive to any HRT changes. When you make any changes you seem to really feel them. It sounds to me like your body needs time to adjust. I know that is no help when you are tired and unable to sleep. I would try the ultrogestan in the morning just to see how that goes.
With the pumps, is there a way to have 3.5 rather then 3? I expect not but just thought I would ask.
Please do not think you will be how you were at the beginning. This is just a blip and you will find the right balance.
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I do sympathise, there is nothing worse than tired but wired and this has been my last symptom to truly conquer. Firstly absolutely no caffeine - sad but true - even first thing. Secondly yes slightly dial back your dose of oestrogen. Thirdly try the utrogestan orally for a short time in case that enables you to benefit better from it's sedative properties. When I am tired but wired none of the otc stuff makes any difference but ... I do rate CBD oil. I just had a month of the most dreadful insomnia - I don't need to take utrogestan as I have had hysterectomy but I started it ten days ago and also reduced my oestrogel from 4 to 3 and fingers crossed I am now sleeping very well. It is a moving target tho and come the hot weather, doing more exercise etc I expect I shall have to increase the oestrogel. Defo for me in winter I don't need so much oestrogel.
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Disco, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is like we find the right dosage then suddenly symptoms return. I can understand why you are fed up with it all.
I notice you are very sensitive to any HRT changes. When you make any changes you seem to really feel them. It sounds to me like your body needs time to adjust. I know that is no help when you are tired and unable to sleep. I would try the ultrogestan in the morning just to see how that goes.
With the pumps, is there a way to have 3.5 rather then 3? I expect not but just thought I would ask.
Please do not think you will be how you were at the beginning. This is just a blip and you will find the right balance.
Hi Flossie,
I do feel truly dreadful, but thank you so much for your reply.
I put 3 pumps on 5 mins ago but have just stuck a tiny little blob on. Maybe going from 4 to 3 was too much of a drop for my body.
Hope you're doing okay xxx
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I do sympathise, there is nothing worse than tired but wired and this has been my last symptom to truly conquer. Firstly absolutely no caffeine - sad but true - even first thing. Secondly yes slightly dial back your dose of oestrogen. Thirdly try the utrogestan orally for a short time in case that enables you to benefit better from it's sedative properties. When I am tired but wired none of the otc stuff makes any difference but ... I do rate CBD oil. I just had a month of the most dreadful insomnia - I don't need to take utrogestan as I have had hysterectomy but I started it ten days ago and also reduced my oestrogel from 4 to 3 and fingers crossed I am now sleeping very well. It is a moving target tho and come the hot weather, doing more exercise etc I expect I shall have to increase the oestrogel. Defo for me in winter I don't need so much oestrogel.
Hi Gnatty,
Thanks so much for that useful information,
I was thinking of taking the utro orally at night to see how I was, I just don't want to change too many things all at once.
I've heard about some women not needing as much oestrogen in the winter, and needing more in the hot weather.
Thanks so much for your reply, I really appreciate it xxx
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Disco, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is like we find the right dosage then suddenly symptoms return. I can understand why you are fed up with it all.
I notice you are very sensitive to any HRT changes. When you make any changes you seem to really feel them. It sounds to me like your body needs time to adjust. I know that is no help when you are tired and unable to sleep. I would try the ultrogestan in the morning just to see how that goes.
With the pumps, is there a way to have 3.5 rather then 3? I expect not but just thought I would ask.
Please do not think you will be how you were at the beginning. This is just a blip and you will find the right balance.
Hi Flossie,
I do feel truly dreadful, but thank you so much for your reply.
I put 3 pumps on 5 mins ago but have just stuck a tiny little blob on. Maybe going from 4 to 3 was too much of a drop for my body.
Hope you're doing okay xxx
Hopefully the tiny blob will help as you did not drop by a whole pump. So sorry to hear you are feeling dreadful.🤗
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Disco, I am so sorry you are going through this. It is like we find the right dosage then suddenly symptoms return. I can understand why you are fed up with it all.
I notice you are very sensitive to any HRT changes. When you make any changes you seem to really feel them. It sounds to me like your body needs time to adjust. I know that is no help when you are tired and unable to sleep. I would try the ultrogestan in the morning just to see how that goes.
With the pumps, is there a way to have 3.5 rather then 3? I expect not but just thought I would ask.
Please do not think you will be how you were at the beginning. This is just a blip and you will find the right balance.
Hi Flossie,
I do feel truly dreadful, but thank you so much for your reply.
I put 3 pumps on 5 mins ago but have just stuck a tiny little blob on. Maybe going from 4 to 3 was too much of a drop for my body.
Hope you're doing okay xxx
Hopefully the tiny blob will help as you did not drop by a whole pump. So sorry to hear you are feeling dreadful.🤗
Thanks Flossieteacake, you're always so very kind and helpful xx
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Hey disco
Sorry you are feeling rubbish again. Whenever I get in a fix with symptoms and hrt, I just stop and give my body a rest, to see where things are at. Maybe you could do this?
I personally don’t think increasing oestrogen is always the way forward but some women need it and that’s fine.
It’s definitely a moving target, which I don’t really understand once post menopause?
Gnatty, which CBD oil do you take please ?
Good luck disco, you will get there eventually 🤞x
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Hey disco
Sorry you are feeling rubbish again. Whenever I get in a fix with symptoms and hrt, I just stop and give my body a rest, to see where things are at. Maybe you could do this?
I personally don’t think increasing oestrogen is always the way forward but some women need it and that’s fine.
It’s definitely a moving target, which I don’t really understand once post menopause?
Gnatty, which CBD oil do you take please ?
Hi Nas,
Hope you're okay and thanks for replying.
You're correct I don't think increasing oestrogen is always the answer, but if I need it, I'll do it. Getting the right balance seems to be impossible.
Take care x
Good luck disco, you will get there eventually 🤞x
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Hello discogirl.
I can't advise you I'm afraid but I wanted to send you my support. Why this journey has to be so tortuous I don't know but we struggle on.
The other ladies on a similar regime have the experience to help you and knowing you are not alone is helpful I'm sure.
I hope your day improves and sending hugs.
Wishing you well.
K.
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Hello discogirl.
I can't advise you I'm afraid but I wanted to send you my support. Why this journey has to be so tortuous I don't know but we struggle on.
The other ladies on a similar regime have the experience to help you and knowing you are not alone is helpful I'm sure.
I hope your day improves and sending hugs.
Wishing you well.
K.
Hi kathleen
That's so lovely of you.
Just being on here and knowing I'm not alone really really helps.
Take care and thank you xxx
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Nas, the CBD oil is by Evopure and it's their sleep formulation. I did quite a bit of research and this company has a very good reputation x
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Nas, the CBD oil is by Evopure and it's their sleep formulation. I did quite a bit of research and this company has a very good reputation x
Sounds interesting. I may need to investigate! Thanks x
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Gnatty, did you buy the standard 500mg or the 1000mg oil ? I’m just looking now x
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Nas, the CBD oil is by Evopure and it's their sleep formulation. I did quite a bit of research and this company has a very good reputation x
hi Gnatty
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oes the cbd oil interfer with medication by the way as im on amitrypline xxx
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Hi discogirl
Sorry to hear about all of this. The tired but wired to me sounds like a side effect of the progesterone - oestrogen does not make women feel tired - it is our energising feel-good hormone! Progesterone, as said, has a sedative effect which in many women leads to head fog and fatigue. I mentioned on another thread I think vaginal utrogestan, as I have always taken it, gives me vivid dreams, interrupted sleep and bladder irritation - so I have to get up in the night and then can't get back to sleep, and leads to "tired but wired". For me those are the downsides though I have put up with it for 12 years!!! May be different for you of course...
Good advice from Gnatty to try it orally and see how you feel - as this may stop the bladder irritation - but you may find even more side effects from the metabolic by-products. On another thread someone has also suggested taking utrogestan at a different time of day if sleep quality at night is affected, but as you say one thing at a time.
You'll get there eventually!
All the best
Hurdity x
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Hi discogirl, I think I might have said this before, but I think it could be really important for you right now. If I don’t take utrogestan (orally) I literally lie there in bed with my eyes wide open, I take it and I’m asleep within half an hour. If you tried it for a few days and didn’t like it it would be out of your system within a few days anyway. It’s up to you but I really think it would help you. In my experience once you have been in hrt for a while, any changes you make can be quickly reversed, so you can try something and correct it quickly if necessary. I really hope you feel better soon and will be thinking of you. Xxx
Ps- in my experience oestrogen is the energising hormone but can keep you awake if you take it at night, utrogestan makes me sleep deep and wake refreshed, UNLESS I take too much, by missing my 3 day break or taking too close to food or with magnesium, in which case it keeps me awake. It is possible the utro could interact with your amitryptiline but you could try it unless it’s contraindicated. Utro taken orally can be bloomin amazing if you get it right, which I’ve done with trial and error.
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Hi discogirl
Sorry to hear about all of this. The tired but wired to me sounds like a side effect of the progesterone - oestrogen does not make women feel tired - it is our energising feel-good hormone! Progesterone, as said, has a sedative effect which in many women leads to head fog and fatigue. I mentioned on another thread I think vaginal utrogestan, as I have always taken it, gives me vivid dreams, interrupted sleep and bladder irritation - so I have to get up in the night and then can't get back to sleep, and leads to "tired but wired". For me those are the downsides though I have put up with it for 12 years!!! May be different for you of course...
Good advice from Gnatty to try it orally and see how you feel - as this may stop the bladder irritation - but you may find even more side effects from the metabolic by-products. On another thread someone has also suggested taking utrogestan at a different time of day if sleep quality at night is affected, but as you say one thing at a time.
You'll get there eventually!
All the best
Hurdity x
Hi Hurdity.
Really appreciate your reply.
I was also wondering if it was the progesterone.
Thing is my sleep the past month and a half has been ok, not great but ok, so I wonder why the progesterone has started affecting me now. I have only just decreased the gel due to my breasts being sore etc, and I didn't want my oestrogen to be too high.
I take the utro vaginally just before bed, however I have two options, to either take it vaginally in the morning or to take it orally at night.
I will keep everyone updated and thanks again Hurdity x
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Hi discogirl, I think I might have said this before, but I think it could be really important for you right now. If I don’t take utrogestan (orally) I literally lie there in bed with my eyes wide open, I take it and I’m asleep within half an hour. If you tried it for a few days and didn’t like it it would be out of your system within a few days anyway. It’s up to you but I really think it would help you. In my experience once you have been in hrt for a while, any changes you make can be quickly reversed, so you can try something and correct it quickly if necessary. I really hope you feel better soon and will be thinking of you. Xxx
Ps- in my experience oestrogen is the energising hormone but can keep you awake if you take it at night, utrogestan makes me sleep deep and wake refreshed, UNLESS I take too much, by missing my 3 day break or taking too close to food or with magnesium, in which case it keeps me awake. It is possible the utro could interact with your amitryptiline but you could try it unless it’s contraindicated. Utro taken orally can be bloomin amazing if you get it right, which I’ve done with trial and error.
Hi Katherine,
Thanks so much for great advice.
I take the amitrypline in the morning, so since I'd be taking the utro orally in the evening that shouldn't interact with it.
I put my gel on in the morning as I would find it too energising at night.
The only thing I worry about with taking the utro orally is that I've read that it can interfer with tinnitus, which I obviously don't want to get worse, however I could give it a try and see what happens Katherine.
Thank so much for your reply, I really appreciate everyone's advice, it's so helpful xxx
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Hi discogirl
As said before - maybe change one thing at a time so maybe see how you react to the reduced dose of oestrogen first - try this for at least as month if you can? Then see about changing the progesterone, though you may not want to wait as it sounds like two different things. Sore boobs and tired but wired. Depends on how you feel with vaginal use. Yes maybe try it in the morning vaginally. This wouldn't work with me as have had several children and gravity would mean it slipped down. This may also be a factor for most women - even without children - the gravity effect. It doesn't stick to the vaginal walls like vagifem. So maybe oral at night first?
All the best.
Hurdity x
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Hi discogirl
As said before - maybe change one thing at a time so maybe see how you react to the reduced dose of oestrogen first - try this for at least as month if you can? Then see about changing the progesterone, though you may not want to wait as it sounds like two different things. Sore boobs and tired but wired. Depends on how you feel with vaginal use. Yes maybe try it in the morning vaginally. This wouldn't work with me as have had several children and gravity would mean it slipped down. This may also be a factor for most women - even without children - the gravity effect. It doesn't stick to the vaginal walls like vagifem. So maybe oral at night first?
All the best.
Hurdity x
Hi Hurdity,
yes it does seem like two different things going on once.
I have reduced the gel to 3 pumps and a tiny blob, to see how things go with that.
Regarding the progesterone, I am tempted to try it orally to see how I get on with it xx
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Hi all,
I just wanted to say thank you to all the lovely ladies for taking the time to give me some great advice this morning.
It really and truly has helped and some advice I will implement to see how I get on. It's also nice to know I'm not alone.
You've all really helped thanks again.
I will report back to let you know how I get on as it may help other ladies in similar situations xx
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Discogirl sending you hugs....I am a bit like you to be honest...I feel I have had enough.
It's a hard decision to stop or stay meandering on it HRT .
I had the worst symptoms hence I went on HRT but now I feel Like I need to try and see what I am like off it. I have been on it 2 years, up and down.
Hrt takes away some symptoms but causes others :'(
I have put up a post, I will update it and you will see how I am finding coming off it.
I think you have done the right thing slowly coming off it as I think you said you were on 4 pumps.
xxx
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discogirl - so very sorry to hear the problems you are having. I had awful problems with Oestrogel despite being on it for over 25 years with no problems. I have no doubt that something in the formula has changed as I went back on it when it became available again and it made me feel really ill, wired could not sleep, palpitations etc. A blood test (53pmol) proved that I was not absorbing it at all and the Meno consultant said I may as well not be on HRT at all. I was changed onto Estradot patches which I am increasing slowly up to 75 (at present on 62) and definitely improving (latest blood oestradiol level last week was 144 pmol) but have been warned it will take time to get back on an even keel and get up to a level over 200. Just wanted to let you know you are not alone re Oestrogel problems and hope so much you start to feel better soon xx
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hi Pippa52
i know you have had issues with the newer gel. how disheartening for you after all those years on gel too.
thank you so much for your kind
comments.
im going to have to give the pumps a go and maybe change the way i take the utro but my plan has been to give estradot a go. when i first started hrt last august i started on estraderm but my levels didnt seem to improve and they didnt seem to stick.
thanks so much xxx
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Discogirl sending you hugs....I am a bit like you to be honest...I feel I have had enough.
It's a hard decision to stop or stay meandering on it HRT .
I had the worst symptoms hence I went on HRT but now I feel Like I need to try and see what I am like off it. I have been on it 2 years, up and down.
Hrt takes away some symptoms but causes others :'(
I have put up a post, I will update it and you will see how I am finding coming off it.
I think you have done the right thing slowly coming off it as I think you said you were on 4 pumps.
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Hi Madeline
Yes I have just tweaked down to 3 and a bit pumps.
I would like to stay on HRT to be honest, I would like to give it a good go before I decide its not for me.
I need to stay on my current 3 and a bit for while, maybe change how I take the utrogestan and then maybe see about trying estradot patches.
I hope you make the right decision whatever that is xxx
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Hi discogirl, I think I might have said this before, but I think it could be really important for you right now. If I don’t take utrogestan (orally) I literally lie there in bed with my eyes wide open, I take it and I’m asleep within half an hour. If you tried it for a few days and didn’t like it it would be out of your system within a few days anyway. It’s up to you but I really think it would help you. In my experience once you have been in hrt for a while, any changes you make can be quickly reversed, so you can try something and correct it quickly if necessary. I really hope you feel better soon and will be thinking of you. Xxx
Ps- in my experience oestrogen is the energising hormone but can keep you awake if you take it at night, utrogestan makes me sleep deep and wake refreshed, UNLESS I take too much, by missing my 3 day break or taking too close to food or with magnesium, in which case it keeps me awake. It is possible the utro could interact with your amitryptiline but you could try it unless it’s contraindicated. Utro taken orally can be bloomin amazing if you get it right, which I’ve done with trial and error.
Can I ask Katharine,
Sorry I may have asked you before, but are you post meno?
Its just I was told by my gp to take the utrogestan continously every night.
Yet the leaflet for utrogestan says something different, do you not take it every day/night of the month?
Do you leave a three day gap at the end of the month?
I've never done that xxx
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Hi discogirl, I have regular periods but my gp says I’m in peri menopause because they are heavier than before and I have many physical and mental symptoms of low oestrogen/ falling oestrogen. She initially said I could take 100mg continuously, as I get insomnia and was sleeping very light, and she said continuous utro would help with that. But I have found I need a break from it regularly as it seems to build up in my system so I now have a 3 day break every cycle.
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Hi discogirl, I have regular periods but my gp says I’m in peri menopause because they are heavier than before and I have many physical and mental symptoms of low oestrogen/ falling oestrogen. She initially said I could take 100mg continuously, as I get insomnia and was sleeping very light, and she said continuous utro would help with that. But I have found I need a break from it regularly as it seems to build up in my system so I now have a 3 day break every cycle.
Ah I see katherine,
Well I'm going to try it orally for a few nights, see what happens.
I'll let you know xx
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Hi discogirl, I have regular periods but my gp says I’m in peri menopause because they are heavier than before and I have many physical and mental symptoms of low oestrogen/ falling oestrogen. She initially said I could take 100mg continuously, as I get insomnia and was sleeping very light, and she said continuous utro would help with that. But I have found I need a break from it regularly as it seems to build up in my system so I now have a 3 day break every cycle.
Hi Katherine
Sorry, another question, how do you know when the utrogestan has built up in your system?
Thanks xx
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When I feel it’s built up (or that I need a break) I just feel a bit anaesthetised, is the best way of describing it, like it’s hard to get going in the morning, hard to motivate myself, like I’m breathing really shallowly, and I find it hard to get to sleep. It might not have built up, it might be that my own progesterone levels are high at that time and making it feel that way. Don’t worry, when you take it you will know if it feels right or not and whether you need to make adjustments. I would give it time though to figure it out and tweak it. Nothing really bad has happened solely due to my utrogestan. The breathing problems I had, I can keep at bay by having my window open a couple of inches at night funnily enough.
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i understand thanks for explaining that.
thanks for today youve been terrific.
i will give it a go orally nothing ventured and all that.
i will keep in touch if thats ok let you know how i get on.
take care xxx
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Yes let me know how you get on discogirl and feel free to ask any more questions as you go, I think you’ve made the right decision xxx
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thanks katherine.
everone has been so lovely today xxx
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thanks katherine.
everone has been so lovely today xxx
You are always lovely yourself. :)
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I don't often disagree with Hurdity but if you want to sleep and you can't because you feel like you have had twenty coffees, then that is absolutely too high oestrogen. Well documented on many hysterectomy and surgical menopause support websites. Low oestrogen is generally when you can actually fall asleep but then you wake up and can't get back to sleep so very disturbed nights. When you can't actually fall asleep at all that is quite a different matter.
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I don't often disagree with Hurdity but if you want to sleep and you can't because you feel like you have had twenty coffees, then that is absolutely too high oestrogen. Well documented on many hysterectomy and surgical menopause support websites. Low oestrogen is generally when you can actually fall asleep but then you wake up and can't get back to sleep so very disturbed nights. When you can't actually fall asleep at all that is quite a different matter.
hi gnatty
yes i agree that i think my oestrogen now is too high. i just hope it gets sorted now ive reduced my oestrogel. ive reduced it to 3 so fingers crossed. ive put on over 1 stone since starting hrt so i think i'll be getting some estrogen from my fat cells now as well.
i intend to take the utro orally tonight. i have tinnitus and ive read a few posts that it can make tinnitus worse so i hope i'll be ok xxx
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discogirl I so hope you feel better soon and that the gel starts to work for you. Sending love and empathy xx
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I very much agree with Gnatty, having experienced just this (too high Estrogen) myself over December and January. As Gnatty said that was always heart thumping and stimulated feeling stopping me getting to sleep. Low Estrogen for me has always been getting to sleep fine but waking up at 3am wide awake (usually with night sweats but not always) and unable to get back to sleep xx
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thanks katherine.
everone has been so lovely today xxx
:thankyou:
You are always lovely yourself. :)
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discogirl I so hope you feel better soon and that the gel starts to work for you. Sending love and empathy xx
thank you so very much pippa52 xxx
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I very much agree with Gnatty, having experienced just this (too high Estrogen) myself over December and January. As Gnatty said that was always heart thumping and stimulated feeling stopping me getting to sleep. Low Estrogen for me has always been getting to sleep fine but waking up at 3am wide awake (usually with night sweats but not always) and unable to get back to sleep xx
hi Gilla999
i dont know its all got me stumped to be honest.
i went to 4 pumps in dec. jan i actually slept ok but the last few days were awful and my boobs were getting so sore and heavy.
i was sure it was too much gel so i dropped down to 3 see how i get on.
i just want to have a consistent nights sleep. 6 hrs a night would be amazing
i started taking my utro orally at night but im so scared it'll make my tinnitus worse.
anyway onwards and upwards as they say xx
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Hi disco girl, I don’t see any reason why utrogestan would worsen your tinnitus but even if it did I think it would be reversible by stopping the utrogestan. Have you been to your gp about your tinnitus? I had it for a few months a few years ago and it was due to ear wax due to too much earplugs use. I looked up tinnitus this morning and it can be caused by anxiety apparently. It’s not usually permanent I don’t think unless it’s due to mechanical causes such as a job that involves sustained noise levels. I have limited knowledge but that’s what I can gather from what I’ve read and experienced and seen others experience.xxx
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Hi disco girl, I don’t see any reason why utrogestan would worsen your tinnitus but even if it did I think it would be reversible by stopping the utrogestan. Have you been to your gp about your tinnitus? I had it for a few months a few years ago and it was due to ear wax due to too much earplugs use. I looked up tinnitus this morning and it can be caused by anxiety apparently. It’s not usually permanent I don’t think unless it’s due to mechanical causes such as a job that involves sustained noise levels. I have limited knowledge but that’s what I can gather from what I’ve read and experienced and seen others experience.xxx
hi katherine
thanks for your reply.
ive had the tinnitus since last feb and my gp knows about it. had my ears checked and no wax.
i had an audiometric test hearing perfect but i suspect its noise induced from my younger more hedonistic days!!!its only in one ear and isnt too intrusive.
tonight will be my second night on taking the utro orally. i was shattered last night so i slept for 6 hrs and ive reduced the gel to 3 pumps so i shall see how i get on.
thanks so much for taking the time to reply you have been very kind xx
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I can’t help thinking that your tinnitus would have started long ago if it was down to loud noise. The fact that it’s recently started makes me think it’s another cause, maybe hormonal or emotional, and that therefore it is reversible. I hope you don’t mind me saying this, it’s just my thoughts and want to reassure you. But as you said it’s not too intrusive so that’s good as well. Xxx
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I can’t help thinking that your tinnitus would have started long ago if it was down to loud noise. The fact that it’s recently started makes me think it’s another cause, maybe hormonal or emotional, and that therefore it is reversible. I hope you don’t mind me saying this, it’s just my thoughts and want to reassure you. But as you said it’s not too intrusive so that’s good as well. Xxx
hi kathetine
i want your help and advice its been very gratefully received.
and maybe however in 2020/21 i used to listen to a lot of music when i was working out that msy have tipped it. thing is it did go away last year and i still had trouble sleeping which is what led me to hrt.
about a month after i increased to 4 my tinnitus started again. all very strange xxx
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That actually sounds encouraging.. if it went away then it suggests the music is not the cause. I suspect it’s hormonal. Someone told me recently that the covid jab gave them tinnitus, or covid itself I can’t remember, and their tinnitus went away. I think tinnitus is usually temporary. Xxx
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That actually sounds encouraging.. if it went away then it suggests the music is not the cause. I suspect it’s hormonal. Someone told me recently that the covid jab gave them tinnitus, or covid itself I can’t remember, and their tinnitus went away. I think tinnitus is usually temporary. Xxx
hi katherine
thanks so much for your support.
took the utro orally again and it didnt sedate me it seemed to make very little difference really.
i dont know whether to perserve with it for a few more nights or take it during the day xxx
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Hi discogirl, I would give it time to work, I don’t feel sleepy or sedated as such when I take it, it’s very subtle, but it helps me fall asleep, stay asleep and to sleep deeply and wake up feeling rested. I think you need to take it longer to feel the benefits. I’ve realised that the ‘anaesthetised’ feeling I get happens during the second half of my cycle when my own progesterone is rising.
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Hi discogirl, I would give it time to work, I don’t feel sleepy or sedated as such when I take it, it’s very subtle, but it helps me fall asleep, stay asleep and to sleep deeply and wake up feeling rested. I think you need to take it longer to feel the benefits. I’ve realised that the ‘anaesthetised’ feeling I get happens during the second half of my cycle when my own progesterone is rising.
Hi Katherine,
Yes I get that.
I'm post meno so dont have cycles, but I was planning to give it more time to work.
I wonder how long I should give it taking it this way xx
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I can’t remember how long it took to work on me. I would give it a few weeks if it were me.
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discogirl,
Just to let you know for me i cldnt take it during the day. I accidently forgot it at night, took it during the day, lunchtime and it completely sedated me. I was so lucky I wasn't driving at the time, my husband had to help me upstairs to bed .....so be careful if you are going to try in the daytime. Funnily enough when I take it at night I have a very restless nights sleep, go figure. I have taken it both ways. I do find I prefer vaginally as it stays clear of your liver, but it is stronger as katherine said orally, for me anyway.
maybe you are taking too much oestrogen, too much energy....hard to work this hrt out. Im on my way down from 3 pumps...had me all over the shop so went back to 2 pumps. Now I am on 1 pump have to say I was a total lunatic on 3 pumps, never again. We are all different with different body make ups, no size fits all etc.
Best of luck.x
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hi madeline
thanks for your reply.
its weird isnt it this hrt business you'd think if the utrogestan didnt sedate you at night then it wouldnt during the day.
ive been taking it vaginally however i will perserve with taking it orally to see if it helps sleep.
i have come down from 4 to 3 pumps. my breasts were sore huge and felt heavy and hot and my brain in bed feels wired. so i think it was too much gel. ive only been on the 3 pumps about 5 days.
and your so right we're all different shapes and sizes and we absorb differently too.
take care xx