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Title: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 19, 2023, 03:26:57 PM
Hi all,
My gpnthinks i have silent reflux as I have a sore, hot throat at night and a hoarse throat as the day goes on. I have been given omeprazole but just wondered if anyone could tell me how it affects them please?
I'm really struggling, my anxiety has me thinking its something more serious 🙄
Thanks.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: CLKD on September 19, 2023, 04:01:21 PM
It's probably in relation to a drop in oestrogen levels.  As they drop muscles maybe lax including the digestive tract.  Some suffer with hiatus hernia as they age.  I have suffered with indigestion for many years, kept at bay with 'milk of magnesia' tablets or liquid.

Then I suffered reflux - which is burning from the middle of the ribs up to the throat with excess saliva.  GP gave me omeprazolol a few years ago, in the main to stop the irritating cough during the day and constant clearing of throat.  Fortunately that doesn't bother me in the night.

I have found that hidden sugars make that cough worse i.e. Coke, some chocolates, ginger drinks which I swopped for the Coke  ::)  :-\. 

So whilst mine ins't 'silent' it is a symptom that I am aware of.  When will U take the omeprazole?  I take mine at breakfast.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 19, 2023, 04:07:26 PM
I get this occasionally,  it seems cyclical. Comes for awhile and then goes for ages, better when I clean my diet up. Other dietary triggers can be coffee, alcohol, spicy food, tomatoes... try and find out which are yours.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 19, 2023, 06:07:14 PM
CLKD,
I'll take it in the morning. Do you feel like you have a hot, sore throat? Bit phlegm? So tired of worrying there's something wrong with me when it all probably boils down to menopause!
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: CLKD on September 19, 2023, 06:58:33 PM
Most things boil [ ;)] down to peri.   I get the burning in the upper digestive tract with reflux, it's awful.  Doesn't seem to be triggered by food and can happen in the day or in the night  >:(

C how U get on with the medication then review. 
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: VioletAquarius on September 19, 2023, 09:52:53 PM
I got diagnosed with silent reflux during covid.

It started where I felt I was starting with a sore throat but it didn't come out fully as a sore throat. I would swallow and it would hurt a bit, but I would swallow again straightafter and it wouldn't hurt.

I sometimes got a feeling like the neck of my jumper was a bit too close to my neck and I kept pulling it away.

I was very anxious, couldn't see my gp due to covid, only having telephone conversations.
I was prescribed omprazol but it didn't work. I was thinking i had cancer or some other horrible thing, and looking back now I think all that anxiousness was making it worse.

I got referred to the hospital and a tube was put up my nose and down my throat (didn't feel anything), and some part was a bit red (can't remember what part), which the doctor said was silent reflux.

I was sent away with a leaflet about it. I stopped eating all the foods that trigger it for about 6 months, and I was also relaxed now, knowing i didn't have some awful disease, and my sore throat got better.

I was also advised to take gaviscon, although I don't think this helped either.

I have read omprozole isn't very good and shouldn't be taken, but can't remember why.

I don't get any problems anymore really, I just get the odd sore feeling for a few seconds, usually after eating too much chocolate.

Oh, and another thing the doctor at the hospital said, was to raise your bed on an angle, higher up at your head, put blocks under the bottom of the bed/the feet, and don't eat before bed/laying down.

Ask your gp to refer you so you can get the camera down to get a diagnosis, this will put your mind at rest to get it confirmed so you're not worrying.

Also, do you have asthma?  Apparently, if you have asthma you're more likely to have/get silent reflux, and vise versa.  I got diagnosed with asthma too around covid time.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 20, 2023, 06:03:11 AM
Thanks all.
I dont have asthma.
Yes it does feel like a sore throat, started out just being at bedtime but now it's a lot more. My voice can get strained too, especially when I'm at work (school)
Had a bit of indigestion that come and goes.
Was your referral to ent? I'm going back to my gp after 5 weeks of omeprazole so I'll see what she says.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 20, 2023, 07:57:41 AM
Omeprazole takes 4 weeks to start working, you are at the early stages so hopefully you will feel better soon.
Don't worry about taking the medication, you can always come of it when you feel its working but most of us stay on it as its the only option.
Taking supplements is important if you are on these meds for the long term, its a total pain but its all down to the aging process.

The GP will more than likely refer you for an Endoscopy, we all end up in that department eventually!  ::)
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: VioletAquarius on September 20, 2023, 09:44:26 PM
Hi Mummytron yes I was referred to ent.

Mine also started at bedtime, feeling like the start of a sore throat.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 21, 2023, 05:53:26 AM
Yes thats how mine was and now seems to be more often in the day now.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 21, 2023, 06:09:43 AM
Mummytron does the sore throat start when you lie down or before then? If it is when you lie down it may help to raise the head of your bed a bit of, do as I did, and buy a wedge pillow from amazon. That helps things stay down with gravity.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 21, 2023, 10:38:21 AM
Before I lay down, actually have it a lot of the day now too. Is that normal for reflux?
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 21, 2023, 10:41:55 AM
Yes I think so. But a lot of people find night time worse because gravity isn't helping the acid stay down.

Have you found any food triggers? That may be making it worse if it is in the daytime after you have eaten.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 21, 2023, 11:06:46 AM
Hi all,
My gpnthinks i have silent reflux as I have a sore, hot throat at night and a hoarse throat as the day goes on. I have been given omeprazole but just wondered if anyone could tell me how it affects them please?
I'm really struggling, my anxiety has me thinking its something more serious 🙄
Thanks.

I take omeprazole daily. I had reflux and discomfort and following endoscopy was diagnosed with Barratts early this year so I have to take the meds for life. There's a link between long term use and osteoporosis but other than that I have no side effects. Best to prevent any damage from acid.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: CLKD on September 21, 2023, 06:21:21 PM
I don't know about the link between omeprazole and osteoporosis ?  Dr James le Fanu suggests having a break from omeprazole as the gut can become dependent which means it works less successfully.  Milk of Magnesia has helped too.  If I don't have treatment in the house and miss a few mornings, then I can feel heartburn lurking.

Let us know how you get on. 
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 21, 2023, 08:31:17 PM
I don't know about the link between omeprazole and osteoporosis ?  Dr James le Fanu suggests having a break from omeprazole as the gut can become dependent which means it works less successfully.  Milk of Magnesia has helped too.  If I don't have treatment in the house and miss a few mornings, then I can feel heartburn lurking.

Let us know how you get on.


Yeh my GP told me but the gastrologist also told me after the endoscopy however he said they had to balance it up and it's more important to stop any further damage from acid as I've got cell change so its a daily dose forever. There are so many people I know who have indigestion medicine as a regular thing.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: CLKD on September 21, 2023, 08:58:07 PM
As an aside: Marmite - when the Prisoners of War were rescued from the Camps in Japan as they went on board they were handed a packet of 5 cigarettes and a small bottle of 'marmite'.  Many had suffered food deprivation, contracted beri-beri and other nasties - 'marmite' helped to replace certain minerals/vitamens .  I love it on hot toast or in a mug of hot water as a drink: I do 'bovril' the latter too when not hungry.

There was a product called 'vegemite'  :-\ .........

Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 21, 2023, 09:10:04 PM
I love marmite on toast.

Re the refl7x, I'd advise anybody with prolonged digestive problems to get checked.  Don't just self medicate. I've had mine for decades, had 3 or 4 gastroscopies over the time but then 13 years went by and this year I got a bout that wasn't settling. Quite a shock to hear I have disease and will need checking at intervals. I'd no idea acid could cause cell change. I'm constantly anxious about it now which probably makes it worse. So don't just keep swallowing antacids indefinitely.  I'm sure it's the plague of the modern lifestyle. Over indulgence, refined foods, alcohol etc. I stopped drinking the day I had my endoscopy.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: CLKD on September 22, 2023, 08:23:39 AM
I woke in pain at 4.40 [dental treatment] and my brain was ruminating.

Two issues jumped up: the 1st, when I fell.  Aged 5/6.  In the village which had a long straight road through, each side was lined with houses/bungalow, a shop, a farm.  In 1 particular bungalow lived The Witch - the plot was surrounded by tall shrubs and tall trees  ::).  When I fell on a slippery kitchen floor having been told not to step on it Mum wrapped me in her only coat and dashed across to the Witch  :o.  Still here  ::).  I suppose that this lady in her mid-50s knew about healing ....... I can't remember what treatment if any was offered.

Jump to the early 1980s: in desperate need of getting help for a long-term problem I found an NHS GP who practised Chinese herbal medicine.  If I hadn't been so ill I would have found him fascinating.  His training here, then moving to China with a who had trained in London and was going 'home'; he listened, took a history, made up a concoction of something that I can't remember: I was with him until he mentioned that I wasn't to take peppermint tea or use toothpaste flavoured with spear mint  :-\.  The whole morning cost £40.00 which was a lot of money in the 1980s.

I can't remember either what I did with the 'tea', I think it went onto the compost.  I hadn't throught of those issues for several years  ::).  Do your research and let us know how you get on.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 22, 2023, 10:36:38 AM
If you are on long term PPI's its advisable to check out supplements that will protect you from side effects you might get, I haven't noticed any yet but I take supplements in the hope it protects me.

I find it annoying when people say about how bad it is to take these drugs but some of us have no choice. 
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: CLKD on September 22, 2023, 11:15:56 AM
And I haven't noticed any side effects after 5+ years of swallowing 1 capsule in the morning.  I do need to top up occasionally with Milk of Magnesia liquid in the evening.

Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 22, 2023, 11:17:39 AM
If you are on long term PPI's its advisable to check out supplements that will protect you from side effects you might get, I haven't noticed any yet but I take supplements in the hope it protects me.

I find it annoying when people say about how bad it is to take these drugs but some of us have no choice.

What supplements do you take? I've no choice either.  I've an increased risk of cancer so need to control the acid.  I paid to see a gastric specialist and he's not sure I've got Barratts so he's repeating the endoscopy and biopsies.  So more waiting. It's been 9 months!
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 22, 2023, 11:34:47 AM
If you are on long term PPI's its advisable to check out supplements that will protect you from side effects you might get, I haven't noticed any yet but I take supplements in the hope it protects me.

I find it annoying when people say about how bad it is to take these drugs but some of us have no choice.

What supplements do you take? I've no choice either.  I've an increased risk of cancer so need to control the acid.  I paid to see a gastric specialist and he's not sure I've got Barratts so he's repeating the endoscopy and biopsies.  So more waiting. It's been 9 months!

Can Barratts ever heal? I mean, once the cells change, with the right treatment and change in diet etc, can they regenerate/ go back to normal? Would be amazing if it turns out you haven't got it after all, wouldn't it!
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 22, 2023, 11:58:10 AM
If you are on long term PPI's its advisable to check out supplements that will protect you from side effects you might get, I haven't noticed any yet but I take supplements in the hope it protects me.

I find it annoying when people say about how bad it is to take these drugs but some of us have no choice.

What supplements do you take? I've no choice either.  I've an increased risk of cancer so need to control the acid.  I paid to see a gastric specialist and he's not sure I've got Barratts so he's repeating the endoscopy and biopsies.  So more waiting. It's been 9 months!

Can Barratts ever heal? I mean, once the cells change, with the right treatment and change in diet etc, can they regenerate/ go back to normal? Would be amazing if it turns out you haven't got it after all, wouldn't it!

No. I was roused from sedation,  handed a sheet of photos of my insides, a list of stuff they found, the nurse just pointed down it and gave me a leaflet on Barratts. I opened it and just saw mentiins of cancer, I asked her if it can be cured, she said no, it's precancerous and left me. When i was upset, she offered to let me talk to the doctor whod done it. She wouldn't let my son listen with me even though the sedationhas an amnesiac effect, he had to sit just outside. The guy told me he'd not seen any cancer, if he was worried he'd have taken me in a separate roomm to talk. It was disgraceful.  The consultant I paid to see is on the quality panel and is feeding back. He apologised. I suspect I do have Barratts, maybe a less significant area than is normally expected but there's still change. Every time I get any digestive problems I panic that there's change. I'm sure panic doesn't help my digestive system 😏
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 22, 2023, 12:16:38 PM
If you are on long term PPI's its advisable to check out supplements that will protect you from side effects you might get, I haven't noticed any yet but I take supplements in the hope it protects me.

I find it annoying when people say about how bad it is to take these drugs but some of us have no choice.

What supplements do you take? I've no choice either.  I've an increased risk of cancer so need to control the acid.  I paid to see a gastric specialist and he's not sure I've got Barratts so he's repeating the endoscopy and biopsies.  So more waiting. It's been 9 months!

Can Barratts ever heal? I mean, once the cells change, with the right treatment and change in diet etc, can they regenerate/ go back to normal? Would be amazing if it turns out you haven't got it after all, wouldn't it!

No. I was roused from sedation,  handed a sheet of photos of my insides, a list of stuff they found, the nurse just pointed down it and gave me a leaflet on Barratts. I opened it and just saw mentiins of cancer, I asked her if it can be cured, she said no, it's precancerous and left me. When i was upset, she offered to let me talk to the doctor whod done it. She wouldn't let my son listen with me even though the sedationhas an amnesiac effect, he had to sit just outside. The guy told me he'd not seen any cancer, if he was worried he'd have taken me in a separate roomm to talk. It was disgraceful.  The consultant I paid to see is on the quality panel and is feeding back. He apologised. I suspect I do have Barratts, maybe a less significant area than is normally expected but there's still change. Every time I get any digestive problems I panic that there's change. I'm sure panic doesn't help my digestive system 😏

Gosh that was handled so bad, I am so sorry that happened, you must have been so worried. I worry about having any investigations under the NHS in case I am treated so dismissively like that. I've only had stuff checked privately and the consultant always comes amd talks directly with you afterwards, and before you leave you are given a clinic date for follow up. I know the NHS are short on resources and time, but you could have been handled a lot kinder xx
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: CLKD on September 22, 2023, 12:18:38 PM
I don't get the 'short of staff' excuses from the NHS - it seems that there is a complete lack of joined up thinking across all depts. these days  :'( and patients either won't, or don't get the opportunity of speaking their worries enough!

Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 22, 2023, 12:26:08 PM
Funnily the last time I had one, I was told they couldn't discuss findings till my relative arrived as I would forget after sedation.  Covid has changed stuff that they've now found is convenient, no relatives to deal with, time saved,  and they aren't switching back. Looking on the positive side biopsies found no evidence of cancer so at least I'm ahead of the game if I'm on a surveillance programme and I've stopped drinking which can only be a good thing.  It's just in my mind a lot. My son's are in their 30s, I see them popping gaviscon tabs. So many people whose digestive systems can't cope with the modern life. I'm in the minority so didn't want to scare anyone but just keep check on your symptoms and don't self medicate.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 22, 2023, 01:35:03 PM
What supplements do you take? I've no choice either.  I've an increased risk of cancer so need to control the acid.  I paid to see a gastric specialist and he's not sure I've got Barratts so he's repeating the endoscopy and biopsies.  So more waiting. It's been 9 months!

I take B12, D3, Zinc, Probiotics. Calcium is another supplement that is good but in my case I can't tolerate it.

I am astonished you paid for a gastric specialist and didn't get a proper diagnoses of anything and they expect you go back and pay again for what is an invasive procedure. I can't fault the treatment I've had at our NHS Endoscopy Department, no such faffing about just great treatment. But now not so easy to get appointments due to the aftermath of Covid and everything else affecting the NHS and I've noticed the surveillance programmes are falling behind.


Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 22, 2023, 02:33:48 PM
What supplements do you take? I've no choice either.  I've an increased risk of cancer so need to control the acid.  I paid to see a gastric specialist and he's not sure I've got Barratts so he's repeating the endoscopy and biopsies.  So more waiting. It's been 9 months!

I take B12, D3, Zinc, Probiotics. Calcium is another supplement that is good but in my case I can't tolerate it.

I am astonished you paid for a gastric specialist and didn't get a proper diagnoses of anything and they expect you go back and pay again for what is an invasive procedure. I can't fault the treatment I've had at our NHS Endoscopy Department, no such faffing about just great treatment. But now not so easy to get appointments due to the aftermath of Covid and everything else affecting the NHS and I've noticed the surveillance programmes are falling behind.

It's the NHS diagnosis in question. I only paid to see a private gastric doctor afterwards as I'd had no explanation or advice. Told I needed regular endoscopies but nobody told me how and when. The private one is a professor of gastric medicine and I've seen him before so trust him, he's going to repeat the tests himself. The actual gastroscopy staff have always been good, apart from them starting the procedure when they'd forgotten to out a canola in for the sedative. It's the lack of support after that's the problem.  I'd have gone home with a leaflet and nothing more.  At least I'm getting a second opinion and will be certain and know the plan. Yes, I know someone who has annual endoscopies but now hasn't had one for 4 years due to covid, strikes and so on. 
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 22, 2023, 03:03:07 PM
Apologies for my misunderstanding, Jules
you were indeed given dreadful treatment at your NHS trust and it's so worrying how things are turning out with our health system.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 22, 2023, 03:07:43 PM
Apologies for my misunderstanding, Jules
you were indeed given dreadful treatment at your NHS trust and it's so worrying how things are turning out with our health system.

It is worrying. I always say, don't accept anything you're told without question and speak up for yourself or you'll be forgotten
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 22, 2023, 06:31:38 PM
Does anyone have the lump in throat thing? Whats it like for you?
I've had the feeling of food, like I'm full but tonight I have what feels like my throat is closing (its not obviously)
Really fed up now.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 22, 2023, 06:42:14 PM
Does anyone have the lump in throat thing? Whats it like for you?
I've had the feeling of food, like I'm full but tonight I have what feels like my throat is closing (its not obviously)
Really fed up now.

That is likely mucous triggered by the reflux to protect the area. Try eating/ drinking something and it should go. Bananas are very soothing, as is oatmeal.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 22, 2023, 06:56:44 PM
Thank you, who knew his could be so horrible
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 22, 2023, 07:34:53 PM
Thank you, who knew his could be so horrible

I also buy Pukka Aloe Vera juice from The Natural Dispensary and have a swig of that 4 or 5 times a day, followed by a teaspoon of Comvita Manuka Honey, as high a strength as you can afford, from Amazon. Clears it up pretty quickly.

Views are mixed on this but if I'm having a flare up I switch to drinking Actiph water, which has a higher pH than normal water. I buy it in multi packs from Amazon. I do find it helps.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: CLKD on September 22, 2023, 07:53:27 PM
Aloe Vera and honey are natural healers, the former used in kitchens to treat burns.  1 breaks off a small piece of leave which has a gooey sap to put on the affected area.

Aloe Vera helps joint pains too.  Though apparently it has a nasty taste  :-X  :-\

Honey is a food that never 'goes off'.  Dad would give me a small spoonful if I had an upset gut.

Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 22, 2023, 07:55:34 PM
Does anyone have the lump in throat thing? Whats it like for you?
I've had the feeling of food, like I'm full but tonight I have what feels like my throat is closing (its not obviously)
Really fed up now.

I remember this feeling of a lump in the throat when I first started to suffer reflux. It soon past when the Omeprazole started to work and I haven't experienced it since
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 22, 2023, 07:57:50 PM
Aloe Vera and honey are natural healers, the former used in kitchens to treat burns.  1 breaks off a small piece of leave which has a gooey sap to put on the affected area.

Aloe Vera helps joint pains too.  Though apparently it has a nasty taste  :-X  :-\

Honey is a food that never 'goes off'.  Dad would give me a small spoonful if I had an upset gut.

The Pukka one doesn't, it is quite neutral. That's why I mentioned that brand. When it was out of stock in local health store, I tried their alternative and it was awful, really bitter. I don't know another shop that stocks the Pukka one but it is still available online. I also use the Jason Aloe Vera high % gel as an after sun,  you are defo right, it is very good for burns and cooling skin in general. I think that's why it helps heal the throat with silent reflux.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 22, 2023, 09:50:26 PM
Does anyone have the lump in throat thing? Whats it like for you?
I've had the feeling of food, like I'm full but tonight I have what feels like my throat is closing (its not obviously)
Really fed up now.

I remember this feeling of a lump in the throat when I first started to suffer reflux. It soon past when the Omeprazole started to work and I haven't experienced it since

Thanks, that gives me a little hope tonight 🙂
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: VioletAquarius on September 22, 2023, 09:59:26 PM
Does anyone have the lump in throat thing? Whats it like for you?
I've had the feeling of food, like I'm full but tonight I have what feels like my throat is closing (its not obviously)
Really fed up now.

The lump in the throat feeling is a very common side effect of silent reflux apparently.  So is clearing the throat all the time.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 22, 2023, 10:48:34 PM
I've had every symptom going in my digestive tract. I once had that feeling as though I couldn't swallow. I thought i was a gonner. The doctor told me it was spasm and that i have a sensitive/ irritable digestive system. My speech and language therapy friend said the same. Your digestive tract is one long pipe. Just like you can get spasm in your colon you can in your oesophagus and apparently acid going the wrong way can cause it but also stress. Once I was told that, it soon relaxed and went. Of course, if you have other symptoms alongside, eg food not going down, weight loss, bleeding, you should get checked.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 25, 2023, 04:24:04 PM
I dont have any red flag symptoms (I think) but this is finding this very uncomfortable. At night it's like my mouth has no saliva.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 25, 2023, 04:28:32 PM
I dont have any red flag symptoms (I think) but this is finding this very uncomfortable. At night it's like my mouth has no saliva.

Just go back to your GP if the omeprazole doesn't improve it.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 25, 2023, 04:30:01 PM
I've an appointment for 3 weeks time, just cant believe how horrible the symptoms are
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 25, 2023, 04:52:13 PM
I've had 2 weeks of stomach discomfort and it takes over my mind because not only is it unpleasant but I get anxious and that makes it worse.  Its finally settled. Try some relaxation exercises before bed. I used to use the short relaxation exercise on here. About 12 minutes, downloaded it to my phone and put my headset on. You've to ignore the American thing. It did help. https://students.dartmouth.edu/wellness-center/wellness-mindfulness/mindfulness-meditation/guided-recordings/deep-breathing-guided-relaxation
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 25, 2023, 07:06:18 PM
I dont have any red flag symptoms (I think) but this is finding this very uncomfortable. At night it's like my mouth has no saliva.

Could you have dry mouth as a symptom of menopause? Or as a side effect of medication? You cam buy mouth washes for that, I use one called Oral 7. That might help you overnight.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Booroo on September 26, 2023, 05:34:46 AM
I’m going to jump on this aswell. Early part of peri I went for endescopy as kept having trouble with swallowing and felt like food stick etc all ok thankfully and had ranitidine and peptac like gaviscon but ranitidine stopped as problems worldwide and was never given anything else just the peptac. I do change what I eat and I k ow if I have something not right as ibs will flare it up too. But I’ve done the raised bed thing too.  It seems to come back tho certainly when dealing with ,out of stress as I’ve had these last few weeks and tho it’s better than it was I don’t know if I’m just dry in mouth etc morning and throat as I am a mouth sleeper hence then bit croaky but not hoarse then I panic if it’s proper reflux as I have a kidney condition and unable to take the ppi meds that lots take ,any ideas peeps please?
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 26, 2023, 05:54:24 AM
I dont have any red flag symptoms (I think) but this is finding this very uncomfortable. At night it's like my mouth has no saliva.

Could you have dry mouth as a symptom of menopause? Or as a side effect of medication? You cam buy mouth washes for that, I use one called Oral 7. That might help you overnight.

Yes it could, I'm still learning about all the menopause symptoms even though I've been in perimenopause for 8 years!
I'll try the mouthwash, thank you.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 26, 2023, 06:52:02 AM
I dont have any red flag symptoms (I think) but this is finding this very uncomfortable. At night it's like my mouth has no saliva.

Could you have dry mouth as a symptom of menopause? Or as a side effect of medication? You cam buy mouth washes for that, I use one called Oral 7. That might help you overnight.

Yes it could, I'm still learning about all the menopause symptoms even though I've been in perimenopause for 8 years!
I'll try the mouthwash, thank you.

Unfortunately dry mouth, burning mouth (which can also include back of throat) and reflux can all be linked or not linked. I have been chasing my tail working out what I've got and what I haven't got. Amd then it suddenly disappears for weeks on end so I give up for awhile. Unfortunately it is process od elimination, there isn't a positive test to diagnose burning mouth, its excluding other things. Same as dry mouth. And I think one can impact the other, eg I have had occasions when it has started out burning and then been really dry and vice versa. Not sure where I'm going with this except to say it is common and I think in some way all to do with fluctuating hormones unless you have specific deficiencies which show up on blood tests, eg b12, iron.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 26, 2023, 06:53:20 AM
Oh and very dry mouth if accompanied with dry eyes can be sjogrens which GP can test for. But aside from that it all feels a bit of a menopause lottery to me!
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 26, 2023, 04:11:42 PM
Life becomes this one great big question mark with so many symptoms feeling as if they are all coming from the one condition, but no life is not that simple.
Hayfever brought on the same symptoms as reflux, I questioned if it was the case, the burning mouth, dry mouth, tickly throat, runny nose, coughing.
Pollen no longer a problem but now I've got return of reflux because of a flare up of muscle inflammation, is it the statins they put me on, or is it the high humidity we are experiencing which I know can effect muscles.

I've had to up my dose of PPI's because reflux really bad, nurse telling me you don't want to be on it too long, yes dear tell me something I don't already know.
Its so frustrating when you think you have got over one thing then another symptom is waiting in the wings to grab a hold, life in this old age business is total crap sometimes.

Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Booroo on September 26, 2023, 04:15:03 PM
Life becomes this one great big question mark with so many symptoms feeling as if they are all coming from the one condition, but no life is not that simple.
Hayfever brought on the same symptoms as reflux, I questioned if it was the case, the burning mouth, tickly throat, runny nose, coughing.
Pollen no longer a problem but now I've got return of reflux because of a flare up of muscle inflammation, is it the statins they put me on, or is it the high humidity we are experiencing which I know can effect muscles.

I've had to up my dose of PPI's because reflux really bad, nurse telling me you don't want to be on it too long, yes dear tell me something I don't already know.
Its so frustrating when you think you have got over one thing then another symptom is waiting in the wings to grab a hold, life in this old age business is total crap sometimes.

Absolutely agree! I have sore muscles and joints at mo and feel like I’ve got the lurgy tested negative earlier stress and worry, really is a bugger obviously another thing we can’t tolerate in our bit of life, when does it ever get better? And not to forget the gums feel throbbing too like I get that when I’m run down
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 26, 2023, 04:16:41 PM
Life becomes this one great big question mark with so many symptoms feeling as if they are all coming from the one condition, but no life is not that simple.
Hayfever brought on the same symptoms as reflux, I questioned if it was the case, the burning mouth, dry mouth, tickly throat, runny nose, coughing.
Pollen no longer a problem but now I've got return of reflux because of a flare up of muscle inflammation, is it the statins they put me on, or is it the high humidity we are experiencing which I know can effect muscles.

I've had to up my dose of PPI's because reflux really bad, nurse telling me you don't want to be on it too long, yes dear tell me something I don't already know.
Its so frustrating when you think you have got over one thing then another symptom is waiting in the wings to grab a hold, life in this old age business is total crap sometimes.

Me too. Double dose of omeprazole for 2 weeks. I took triple one day in desperation.  Back to one now. I think thos will be my life. Getting old is no fun
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 26, 2023, 04:20:30 PM
Yes, when things settle down I will reduce the dose. You get to become an expert at these things as time goes on  ::)
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 26, 2023, 04:26:59 PM

Absolutely agree! I have sore muscles and joints at mo and feel like I’ve got the lurgy tested negative earlier stress and worry, really is a bugger obviously another thing we can’t tolerate in our bit of life, when does it ever get better? And not to forget the gums feel throbbing too like I get that when I’m run down

Oh did I leave out the gum problem, spent a fortune at the dentist because of severe pain only to be told its a sinus problem. At least with the growing number of symptoms we are experiencing we will know not to worry next time, there is always a next time  >:(
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Booroo on September 26, 2023, 04:56:48 PM

Absolutely agree! I have sore muscles and joints at mo and feel like I’ve got the lurgy tested negative earlier stress and worry, really is a bugger obviously another thing we can’t tolerate in our bit of life, when does it ever get better? And not to forget the gums feel throbbing too like I get that when I’m run down

O god really?! Do u think I should ask gp about this ? Reflux or give it bit longer only been couple days this time
Oh did I leave out the gum problem, spent a fortune at the dentist because of severe pain only to be told its a sinus problem. At least with the growing number of symptoms we are experiencing we will know not to worry next time, there is always a next time  >:(
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Booroo on September 26, 2023, 04:57:40 PM
Think I mucked that but up sorry
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 26, 2023, 05:15:23 PM
You say you can't take a PPI but as you only get reflux now and again I would suggest Gaviscon Double Action and see how it goes with that.
If you get it on a regular basis, see what the GP can do for you. I'm afraid reflux is the curse of old age and so many of us suffer with it.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 26, 2023, 05:21:32 PM
My gastrologist told me that out of 10 people with my symptoms of dyspepsia that they examine, 1 will have disease. Don't assume anything is just an aging problem. Mine might be because it's been going on for years but it has also caused damage.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 26, 2023, 05:24:35 PM
I do have low iron but I've always been like that so I'm not sure I can blame it on that.
Its so sore today, yes dry and burning feeling that you all mention. I really don't like it.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Booroo on September 26, 2023, 05:48:41 PM
You say you can't take a PPI but as you only get reflux now and again I would suggest Gaviscon Double Action and see how it goes with that.
If you get it on a regular basis, see what the GP can do for you. I'm afraid reflux is the curse of old age and so many of us suffer with it.

Was that for me? I have kidney problems and was advised not to?
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 26, 2023, 05:59:19 PM
That's unfortunate, Booroo. In that case I would see the GP if your reflux becomes consistent.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 26, 2023, 07:44:25 PM
Have you reviewed your diet? I don't eat anything that increases stomach acid, I've cut out alcohol, I don't eat less than 3 hours before going to bed. It does help.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Booroo on September 26, 2023, 08:27:35 PM
That's unfortunate, Booroo. In that case I would see the GP if your reflux becomes consistent.
I will do
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Booroo on September 26, 2023, 08:28:25 PM
Have you reviewed your diet? I don't eat anything that increases stomach acid, I've cut out alcohol, I don't eat less than 3 hours before going to bed. It does help.
I have some supper as get low sugar else but don’t have much either toast or cereal
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 26, 2023, 08:45:16 PM
Have you reviewed your diet? I don't eat anything that increases stomach acid, I've cut out alcohol, I don't eat less than 3 hours before going to bed. It does help.
I have some supper as get low sugar else but don’t have much either toast or cereal

Yes that's the downside, I sometimes feel hungry, but better than my heartburn in bed
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 27, 2023, 05:56:36 AM
Woken up this morning with a feeling like there's no moisture in my mouth and its hot and sore.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 27, 2023, 09:14:20 AM
Are you a mouth breather at night? I'm sure if acid reflux was that bad you'd wake up. I used to have to jump up and throw gaviscon down and often walked round for ages as it caused gas high up, like having heart attack
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Booroo on September 27, 2023, 11:18:58 AM
That must be awful for you thankfully I’m not like that
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 27, 2023, 12:36:15 PM
I get the dry mouth and burning in the mornings when I wake up, I apparently have become a snorer along with everything else. All my orifices are so dry now, if anyone has a remedy to fix this, I am all dry ears!  ::)

Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 27, 2023, 02:24:04 PM
I get the dry mouth and burning in the mornings when I wake up, I apparently have become a snorer along with everything else. All my orifices are so dry now, if anyone has a remedy to fix this, I am all dry ears!  ::)

I use Oral 7 Mouthwash before bed when I am going through a dry phase, it is alcohol free and specifically designed for dry mouth. It isn't a tooth / gum one of you know what I mean. They also do a mouth gel and chewing gum. If I can take it before the burning starts, then it helps.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 27, 2023, 02:25:59 PM
I get the dry mouth and burning in the mornings when I wake up, I apparently have become a snorer along with everything else. All my orifices are so dry now, if anyone has a remedy to fix this, I am all dry ears!  ::)

Also do your ears get itchy when they are dry? There are drops from the pharmacy you can use short term for that, they do work and might get you over a difficult patch.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 27, 2023, 03:13:06 PM
Fortunately no I don't get itching in my ears, they are just dry with no symptoms.
Do you buy Oral 7 direct from the company, I am certainly interested it trying it.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 27, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
I get the dry mouth and burning in the mornings when I wake up, I apparently have become a snorer along with everything else. All my orifices are so dry now, if anyone has a remedy to fix this, I am all dry ears!  ::)

Apparently I've started snoring too!
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Booroo on September 27, 2023, 05:28:41 PM
Well i spoke to clinician and im going to have short term ppi to try see what happens and go from there am happy with that
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 27, 2023, 07:03:23 PM
Fortunately no I don't get itching in my ears, they are just dry with no symptoms.
Do you buy Oral 7 direct from the company, I am certainly interested it trying it.

Yes I just googled the website and bought the starter pack with a few different products.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: CLKD on September 27, 2023, 07:06:22 PM
I use omeprazolol capsules in the morning.  Milk of Magnesia in the afternoon if reflux threatens, also in the night should I get that sudden 'heart attack-like' symptoms.  No sweating or radiation and I've found recently that a sip of bubbled water gets rid of the latter almost at once.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 27, 2023, 09:11:04 PM
That must be awful for you thankfully I’m not like that

It was. The other thing that has contributed to my condition is ibuprofen products. I had flu before I ended up being referred for endoscopy and I'd been taking ibuprofen. The gastrologust said it causes damage to the stomach lining. Aspirin too. I've not used it since.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 28, 2023, 06:16:13 AM
That must be awful for you thankfully I’m not like that

It was. The other thing that has contributed to my condition is ibuprofen products. I had flu before I ended up being referred for endoscopy and I'd been taking ibuprofen. The gastrologust said it causes damage to the stomach lining. Aspirin too. I've not used it since.

Similar here Jules, that stuff is so bad for your gut lining, especially if you take it without food. I hurt my back quite badly before a long haul flight last year and did 24 hours of full dose ibuprofen as recommended by a doctor. Within a few days I had such a bad case of gastritis that I ended up in a&e in Australia and was put on a PPI for a month to heal the stomach lining. I lost a ton of weight and couldn't eat proper food or full portions of food for about two months. I take such good care of my gut now and the reason I use my progrsterone vaginally is because I will not risk taking medication on an empty tummy now. Different with PPIs though, they work better when taken on an empty stomach.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 28, 2023, 06:18:17 AM
That must be awful for you thankfully I’m not like that

It was. The other thing that has contributed to my condition is ibuprofen products. I had flu before I ended up being referred for endoscopy and I'd been taking ibuprofen. The gastrologust said it causes damage to the stomach lining. Aspirin too. I've not used it since.

I wonder if ibuprofen causes the same issues if used transdermally, like the voltarol gel you can buy for muscle pain, do you happen to know?
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 28, 2023, 08:50:15 AM
That must be awful for you thankfully I’m not like that

It was. The other thing that has contributed to my condition is ibuprofen products. I had flu before I ended up being referred for endoscopy and I'd been taking ibuprofen. The gastrologust said it causes damage to the stomach lining. Aspirin too. I've not used it since.

I wonder if ibuprofen causes the same issues if used transdermally, like the voltarol gel you can buy for muscle pain, do you happen to know?

The advice is the same with those too though I've used it once when I had tendonitis. I don't think people always check what's in pain relief medication. Again I think has aspirin in, others have ibuprofen. And the doctor told me to take ibuprofen when I had flu despite me telling her I couldn't because I'd previously had a stomach ulcer induced by aspirin.  She told me to take it with omeprazole which in the end made no difference. 
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 28, 2023, 09:07:09 AM
I use Ibuprofen gel most mornings for my back pain, I once used Voltarol gel after seeing the adverts but it gave me the most awful reflux, so intense, never again!
I take paracetamol and sometimes co-codamol for pain, I would never take Ibuprofen in tablet form again like I was able to as it is good for muscle inflammation as long as you don't have stomach issues.   
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 28, 2023, 09:09:34 AM
Do you buy Oral 7 direct from the company, I am certainly interested it trying it.

Yes I just googled the website and bought the starter pack with a few different products.

Thanks for that, I will order some today and see how I get on  :)
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 28, 2023, 09:27:49 AM
I use Ibuprofen gel most mornings for my back pain, I once used Voltarol gel after seeing the adverts but it gave me the most awful reflux, so intense, never again!
I take paracetamol and sometimes co-codamol for pain, I would never take Ibuprofen in tablet form again like I was able to as it is good for muscle inflammation as long as you don't have stomach issues.

Omg Ayesha thanks for sharing that, I have come so close to using my husband's voltoral a number of time for my hip, defo glad I didn't risk it.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Penguin on September 28, 2023, 09:29:35 AM
That must be awful for you thankfully I’m not like that

It was. The other thing that has contributed to my condition is ibuprofen products. I had flu before I ended up being referred for endoscopy and I'd been taking ibuprofen. The gastrologust said it causes damage to the stomach lining. Aspirin too. I've not used it since.

I wonder if ibuprofen causes the same issues if used transdermally, like the voltarol gel you can buy for muscle pain, do you happen to know?

The advice is the same with those too though I've used it once when I had tendonitis. I don't think people always check what's in pain relief medication. Again I think has aspirin in, others have ibuprofen. And the doctor told me to take ibuprofen when I had flu despite me telling her I couldn't because I'd previously had a stomach ulcer induced by aspirin.  She told me to take it with omeprazole which in the end made no difference.

GP said same to me, offered me a ppi for a few weeks as prevention,  but I just didn't end up taking the Painkillers as I'd had such a horrible time with pantoprazole (a different ppi) last year. God knows what I'll do when I get really old and creaky and am desperate for pain relief.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 28, 2023, 06:47:09 PM
I messaged my gp today as I'm finding it really uncomfortable. Lumpy sore throat, mouth uncomfortable, bad taste and my breath hasn't been great today.  She said its too early to see if the omeprazole is working as its only been 3 weeks and to keep my appointment for 3 weeks time to see how it is then. The thought of another 3 weeks like this is soup destroying 😫
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: CLKD on September 28, 2023, 06:52:58 PM
Mummytron - how is your diet overall?  Bad breath can be caused by lots of issues, especially if the gut spasm slows down.  Are U generally 'gassy' up and down? 
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 28, 2023, 07:18:38 PM
Honestly, I fart a LOT!! Been worse since perimenopause 😂
Diet is ok, been trying to lose weight so being good.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: CLKD on September 28, 2023, 07:37:26 PM
Little steps.  Farting is good!  Our Jack Russell would let 1 go in her sleep, jump out of bed and look at her tail.  She never realised  ;D.  I have a jacuzzi very often in my evening bath  ;)

Eating little and often can help as it gives the digestive system 'something to work on'.  I find if I have gaps between eating my belly rumbles. 
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 28, 2023, 07:42:24 PM
Bless you doggy, thats so funny!
Yes my evening bath is bubbly too.
Thanks I'll bear that on mind.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Ayesha on September 28, 2023, 09:37:09 PM
I messaged my gp today as I'm finding it really uncomfortable. Lumpy sore throat, mouth uncomfortable, bad taste and my breath hasn't been great today.  She said its too early to see if the omeprazole is working as its only been 3 weeks and to keep my appointment for 3 weeks time to see how it is then. The thought of another 3 weeks like this is soup destroying 😫

You only have another week to go and you should hopefully feel a lot better. I assume you have another months supply of Omeprazole to carry on with as the treatment needs to be constant.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 29, 2023, 03:25:45 PM
I too have to graze.  It's much better than separate larger meals and as someone said it staves off the griping from acid on an empty stomach
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Mummytron on September 29, 2023, 07:42:43 PM
I messaged my gp today as I'm finding it really uncomfortable. Lumpy sore throat, mouth uncomfortable, bad taste and my breath hasn't been great today.  She said its too early to see if the omeprazole is working as its only been 3 weeks and to keep my appointment for 3 weeks time to see how it is then. The thought of another 3 weeks like this is soup destroying 😫

You only have another week to go and you should hopefully feel a lot better. I assume you have another months supply of Omeprazole to carry on with as the treatment needs to be constant.

Thanks, thats good to hear. Just realised I put soup destroying 😂😂
Actually I dont thats a very good point, I'll see if I can get some more.
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Booroo on September 30, 2023, 03:39:32 PM
Well I took first lasaprozomol 15mg this morning I have felt drugged and sedated all day can’t do with that
It’s highly possible that’s it’s rhinitis and I’ve had lots of stress did I over react peri style ? It flared few months ago when the stress was the same and got better on own in between without ppi just peptac
Thoughts please cos I can’t stick that feeling all day I need to drive to work etc
Thanks
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: CLKD on September 30, 2023, 03:53:18 PM

The more common side effects of lansoprazole can include:

diarrhea.
stomach pain.
nausea.
constipation.
headache.


What else are you taking, how is your diet over all  :-\.  MayB miss tomorrow then take it at night? 

I have rhinitis all year long.  Sometimes I resort to 'beconase' spray though find that when away from the house, symptoms are less troublesome  ::)

Hormones can affect all parts of the body  which may become dry, inside and out; including deep in the ears, eyes, nostrils. 
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Booroo on September 30, 2023, 04:15:14 PM

The more common side effects of lansoprazole can include:

diarrhea.
stomach pain.
nausea.
constipation.
headache.


What else are you taking, how is your diet over all  :-\.  MayB miss tomorrow then take it at night? 

I have rhinitis all year long.  Sometimes I resort to 'beconase' spray though find that when away from the house, symptoms are less troublesome  ::)

Hormones can affect all parts of the body  which may become dry, inside and out; including deep in the ears, eyes, nostrils.

Hmm not had those but thanks for info
Diet pretty good
I know you have reflux too but are they different or do they have similar?
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Jules on September 30, 2023, 04:43:05 PM
Is lasaprozomol a ppi? I don't think they cause drowsiness. I've taken them for a long time and had no noticeable side effects
Title: Re: Silent reflux symptoms
Post by: Booroo on September 30, 2023, 05:02:08 PM
Yes it is how strange