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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: CLKD on April 03, 2020, 09:07:14 AM
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(social distancing and masks could become a racist/cultural issue).
To wear a mask it has to by Law be specific to the task it is designed for. Health and Safety - DH has been explaining.
So if the mask is to be safe either for the wearer or for those around him/her, it has to be fitted by someone who knows a) how the mask is designed to work and b) for which purpose.
Once only masks such as we see in the Hospitals are throw away and usually clip behind the ears with elastic. More industrial masks are fitted differently. For those in the Fire Surface or Emergency Cave Teams or in the Chemical Industry [which is where we come in], they are complete masks covering the head, neck, face, shoulders ......... with visors . Nothing in, nothing out. These are in daily use which the public don't often see.
If a mask is to be used correctly then those wearing beards will have to shave in order for a snug fit. This becomes a problem in many communities where beards are part of the culture and a form of respect. One Doctor has already shaven in order to wear his mask correctly to provide protection for himself and any patient he comes into contact with.
If the NHS has had problems sourcing enough protective clothing then I think it's a long reach to insist that the public has to wear masks. Where does it stop? On whose advice?
I do wonder if, now that the Chinese have arrived in London to offer advice, whether this is being muted by them having had experience sooner than the rest of the World as to how masks assist.
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If the Government requires it :-\
I have rhinitis so would need a wad of Kleenex behind it ::)
A Dr on TV earlier was putting on his mask - after putting on his blue gloves >:( FFS! the other way ROUND! 'cos where's his gloves going after he has touched his face?
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CLKD, perhaps a nose bag inside the mask?
Well the great American President, with all his scientific knowledge and immense intelligence, has declared that all you need to wear is a scarf! ::)
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I used a,dust mask on Tuesday. It made me feel safer but probably offers little protection. But I couldnt wait to take it off. It fills with moisture and i actually feel like it makes it harder to breath.
Masks should only be removed once you have washed hands.
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Ju Ju - the chocolate in the nose bag would melt ;D
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That's true stella. My mum bought some masks on Ebay. When she put one on it made her face and lips tingle. 😲
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Also: The US president has ordered a ship load of equipment to be turned around, it was almost at Europe on it's way to Germany. They now want the 6,000+ items to protect those in the US but who will have access to it all? Top end of the pay scale probably.
France put out a message earlier that when they bid for medical supplies, they are out-bid by the US. I always said that mainland Europe need 'us' more than we need them ::) .......... hopefully with all equipment, GOvernemtns around the World will begin to appreciate and value their home workers. After all, the UK were ahead of the game during our Industrial Revolution !
Never mind clapping for service workers, how about buying British .......... which reminds me >:(
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Hi girls,
Hope you and your family are healthy.
Here's a good and easy to read article on DIY face masks.
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/
Stay safe,
BeaR.
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Thanks beaR. You too xx
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I bought 2 packs of J cloths recently and plan to have a go at making masks from them. I was shopping this morning and put a cotton snood up over my mouth and nose but it makes my glasses steam up so I had to put it down again.
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Penny. My glasses had steamed and slipped right to the end of my nose and I daren't touch them. What with my Darth vadar breathing through the dust mask I mustve looked a proper sight😲
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J-cloths can tear so be careful - ? 'photos ? ;). They can also be boil washed!
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The main purpose of wearing masks is to prevent droplets from coughs and sneezes as well as exhalations from speaking etc reaching others or landing on them and cuts down the extent to which they (visrus filled droplets) fill the air. Their effectivness in preventing infection to the wearer is not proven if the viruses are in the air from what I've read (although may prevent droplets from others' sneezes and coughs from entering mouth and nose), but if people are wearing them it may really help others, and especially as CV-19 is thought to be infectious for possibly two days before symptoms start. Hence its very rapid spread. So even putting a snood or scarf round your mouth and nose can help.
However the danger with wearing anything is that once you touch it your hands can be infected by the mask or scarf etc. For the purposes of protecting others I would have through the disposable ones would be best so that you could just take it off, safely dipsoe and then disinfect your hands....?
Hurdity x
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Dispose of where exactly? Into landfill ......... the ones used in Chemical factories etc. can be sterilised, over and over ...........
Put mask on first
Wash hands, dry, pull on gloves
Wash gloves, remove
Remove mask
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Sadly if this goes into landfill ............ what are the requirements for disposal? Double wrapped? In what?
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My son saw someone in Sainsburys yesterday wearing a welders mask.
That should do it.
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I can't understand why the NHS didn't requisition those initially. They can be sterilised ..........
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Seeing anyone in a mask is a rare event where I live, even out shopping. Yesterday no-one in the supermarket had one, neither shoppers nor cashiers ( although they had partial screens).
For a temporary period, landfill and recycling considerations for these items have to be put on hold if necessary (apart from normal recycling). These are exceptional times.
Hurdity x
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I think we should all dress like Storm Troopers ;)
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I was told by my sister who works in NHS that masks really are only useful to protect those who already have infection from spreading it, unless they are proper NHS masks. Also,the wrong mask/material over face/nose can act as an absorbant for germs. Even those only work for a certain number of hours, or so I've heard.
I could be wrong and I must admit after going to the supermarket yesterday I felt I ought to be wearing a mask...and gloves. But made sure I put anti bac stuff on hands as soon as I reached the car and washed hands as soon as I got home, both before and after unpacking shopping. I find it v scary in the supermarket as despite all warnings not everyone keeps to 2 metres and I feel q stressed..ended up with a migraine. I have to go as shopping for parents too...local Co-op even worse than big supermarket as aisles small and narrow!
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All stores should by now have a policy of distancing and allowing few people in at a time.
Specific masks for specific jobs.
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People have far too much time on their hands ;D
I had one posted this morning: garbage collector went to a dustbin with blue lid on top which got up and ran away :o
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It must be awful in a flat :'( :-\ ..........
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Very true stella. I live on 3rd floor of a block but I do have a small balcony I can stand on. But it's not relaxing like sitting in your garden reading a book or catching some sun. Plus the view is pretty depressing. I can drive to the park but when I went I didnt think people were keeping distance enough on the pathways in and out so that wasnt relaxing either.
It does make you feel trapped. I feel sorry for those cooped up with children. I lived in a tower block as a child. They are no places for kids to grow up.
I see ppl on FB etc in their gardens with a glass of wine and treating it like a holiday. I'm not having a go at them. It must make it so much easier to bear. . But for others it's like a prison sentence.
I would say though that when I lived in the tower block one parent would take us to the park every single day. The parent has to want to do that. Some dont unfortunately even at the best of times.
I can totally understand being on 15th floor and needing to get out. It's just sad that the parks are so crowded with people who maybe have other options so that some of us who only have the park for outdoor space feel it's too much of a risk.
Xxx
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I want to share my garden and ponds :-\
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Clkd. Maybe next year you could apply for the yellow book?
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It takes so much to keep a garden appropriate for the Yellow Book. We have open gardens every few years and if we are here, I do.
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Good on ya. :foryou:
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Our local authority here in Wales closed all the parks the first day of the isolation >:(
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That's so unfortunate two hoots. I have feared the same might happen here if people dont act sensibly. There is no need for people to be out in a group of 6 or 8 adults which I saw at my park. I wouldnt .mind but they block the path accross on the way in and out so you cant get past. >:( it made me turn and walk out again and wait. . Took me 10 minutes and various attempts to actually get in while maintaining distance. It makes it all so stressful.
I was standing at the crossing waiting to x the road to entrance and a man came and stood right next to me. Heaven forbid he should wait a minute for me to cross and the next car to stop. He could've even let me get half way accross. Are they thick or are they so used to living in their own bubble of self centred "me me me" that they can't see past that.
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I think that people forget. I certainly am not used to keeping away from people I know ::) and have to remind myself when out and about to cross the road :(.
The 1st time I opened our garden [criky this is a meander ;D ] I woke early wondering why the H I had agreed :-\ it was a very hot day and every one seemed to enjoy walking round. But I hadn't a clue who had been to visit as it passed in a blur ......
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Clkd. I think it's a lovely thing to do. My aunt got in the yellow book one year. She spent the week before thinking no one would come and first it was slow then she had a deluge and panicked. She served tea and cakes too. She enjoyed doing it but she said once was enough. She now spends all summer visiting others in the book.
I realy do think it's such a nice thing to open your garden. It brings so much pleasure. Xxx
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She must have worked very hard. Yellow Book applicants have to wait about 3 years and are inspected several times B4 being accepted. RHS standard :o where as we cultivate the lived in look, both indoors and out ;D
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;D she did. They pick up things on the inspection and you have to put them right before the next one.
Am I having a false memory here or was thee a series about the yellowxbook a few years ago.?
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Yep. Can't remember if it was part of 'gardener's world' ? would be interested to seeing it again.
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Just looked it up CLKD. It was bbc2 called "open gardens" . Carol Klein presented. It's not on iplayer.
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I thought this thread was about masks? ;D
Anyway!!
I have put some information about masks on a helpful thread started by Bobidy in the Other Health Discussion section here if anyone wants to read the scientific lowdown and also have a go at making one ::)
https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,47634.0.html
Hurdity x
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I can't even thread a needle ;D [long story short]
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Thanks hurdity. X
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Sorry I think I derailed this a bit. My bad. It did start off about masks so scroll back. Xxx
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We likes a meander we does ;D
I see many people are making 'scrubs' across the country ........... supplying their local GPs etc..
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No table banging, but it's your round stellajane, I'll have a pina colada ;D
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Sorry I think I derailed this a bit. My bad. It did start off about masks so scroll back. Xxx
haha - no need to apologise - I was laughing when I posted my comment, because I turned to the thread to post the link and thought I was on the wrong one!! No I didn't read back don't have time to read all the posts as I just came on to post about masks as it took me some time to research all the info :)
I can't even thread a needle ;D [long story short]
Don't worry about that CLKD - there are a couple of no sew methods! Also the youtube video of the US surgeon general just folding a T shirt and using elastic bands!
Of course, we are not supposed to be using surgical masks as all supplies need to go to NHS....
Hurdity x
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No worries. We had a little walk round the garden there :)
I have some surgical masks which my mum recently sent me. Maybe it's a false sense of security but I feel so much calmer about shopping with one on than I did before I had them. I still find it a realy anxiety provoking experience and am limiting trips to 2 a week. But before I had the masks I was sitting here with a bare cupboard too scared to go out.
Mind you, I do find with astma I cant wait to get it off. . I sound like Darth Vader when I'm wearing it. ;D
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So it's about time that the government of the day supplied our NHS Staff with supplies? and stop cutting costs. Bean counters have a lot to answer for!
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So - I opt for a Storm Trooper suit when shopping and a Burka in pale blue when walking. Masks - how will they become available all so fast? Will they be washable? 1 per day per person = ? If this virus is so dangerous these masks have to be burnt = ? bagging up and collection points?
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Govt dont have the PPE because they were too far behind the game and supplies are low.
We have been told not to buy masks and leave them for front line workers. I am on my own. I have astma and no one to shop for me. shopping was a nightmare because ppl didnt distance. Ppl were coughing near me I ended up sitting in my flat with a bare fridge because I was too scared to shop. . I now wear a mask and I feel justified in doing so. I only go out twice a week. I put it on before I step out of the door and wait until I've washed hands to remove it and throw it away. Xxx
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Tc we have a Facebook group with volunteers who will get shopping for anyone vulnerable. Do you have anything similar in your area?
The PPE situation like the ventilators is because we have virtually no manufacturing industry left. We import PPE from China so we're reliant on what they send us. Chickens coming home to roost IMO. Let's hope it's a wake up call. The current government plans for agriculture will make sure we have no farmers left either and we will import all our food. Then we really see panic buying.
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Sadly sheila99 ........ I have today signed the NFU petition about those ghastly Chinese lanterns that cause havoc across the countryside >:(
Tc - have a look-see at your local food bank website, facebook groups, Pub etc. as there are many support groups for getting food to people.
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Thank you ladies x
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Let us know how you get on? No one needs to be short of supplies! This isn't the 3rd World .......... get those fingers over that keyboard and search, search, search ..........
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:: :thankyou:
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The point about masks and the conflicting advice is because in Asia they seem to wear them all the time but as protection but studies have shown that they are not very effective for preventing infection as the virus particles in the breathed out aerosols can get through the masks (depending on the materials but some are very flimsy). Also that if people use them with poor hygiene then those that aren't infected could become so, as the outside of the mask could get contaminated as also the hands, which might move the mask down to talk to someone etc etc. Their main use is in preventing or limiting the spread of the water droplets, the aerosols contain virus particle in those who go out when infected either deliberately or unknowingly.
So Tc those people coughing near you, their droplets would have been contained if they had been wearing a mask but at least if you are wearing one and they are very near you it might help a bit as it might filter out some of their coughs! I can understand your worries. When I last went shopping last Saturday I saw someone in the paying queue behind me with a red nose a bir runny so I moved away but she moved up! I was really paranoid as I didn't want to be anywhere near here , not even 2 m!!!
We also have volunteers in the village who will do shopping. The pub can get in supplies and in the nereast city there is a mutual aid group also who has volunteers. Hopefully you will find somewhere with people who can help if you don;t want to risk going out?
I think we will all still need to continue with social distancing wherever possible even if we do have to wear masks, and I think most people will want to most of the time for a long while yet even when we are allowed out.
Hurdity x
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I wish the 6 foot rule would be permanently implemented in supermarket checkouts, I hate when the person behind pushes me in the back with their trolley >:(
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Tragically A number of London bus drivers have died. Many more are sick. They hadnt been given ppe. They are doing an Important job ferrying frontline workers around but from the interviews I've seen they feel they havent been protected properly. From Monday front boarding will be banned and passengers not allowed in the seats nearest the cab. Sadly too late for some.
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I read this with horror. Our drivers have a screen :-\ which they can/not pull back to speak to passengers. Of course one could suggest that the drivers should have taken gloves/soap/hand wash until the Company got it's act together?
Masks don't work. Unless they are specifically designed for specific jobs and then need to be fitted correctly. H&S .
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I saw that too stella :'(
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Masks are easy to make, I've seen videos of people folding a scarf square and adding two elastic bands and it's done, look for the videos on line :)
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Silk might do it - but I hate the feel ::)
Maybe sew/stick a nappy liner between the face and scarf which can be washed at the end of the day ? Will you be able to match the scarf with your glasses/handback/shoes ?
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:o .........
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People say it makes their specs steam up so they end up walking into things!
Happens to me every time I shop. I need my specs to read details/prices butnthen they all steam up cos ia have my mask on. I read somewhere that if you rub eashing up liquid on them that stops it but daren't try.
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So..anyone got a link to make masks..and out of what? I haven't seen any on line to buy which are any good. I wouldn't want to take masks away from those on the front line..although I do work in a school and am in on a rota basis
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Google no sew face masks, I don't know his to paste the links ::)
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We probably wouldn't be able to afford front line kit anyway.
How about a bee keepers' head gear?
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I've been looking at Bedouin face cover for women - the Omani women wear something that looks severe but would probably do in our current situation
I have Persian facial wedding wear which I could convert ......... if I could thread a needle ::). A mix of lapis lazuli, ethnic coins, soap stone in blue all strung onto cord ............ at least it would be different ;)
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How about a bee keepers' head gear?
Now that's an idea! However some if them just have gauze since they just need to have a mesh to protect against bees. Unfortunately droplets will go straight through!
Hurdity x
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A bit of ingenuity then? The whole outfit is PPE after all.
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Did you see the news report from inside a hospital over the weekend, it followed a nurse into the hospital, she got fully kitted out and disappeared into the ward. Next time we see her she's telling us she needs to take off all the kit in a certain order to avoid contamination. Next thing she's kitting up again saying I needed that tea break :o
Don't get me wrong everyone needs a break but with all this shortage news it seemed very wasteful :-\
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We became a throw away society. I think it's time that kit was washed in the Hospital as in times gone by. These PPEs should be steamed cleaned whilst this crisis is on, what's the worst that could happen? It would melt. Thinking of dry cleaners ...... where many items are steamed cleaned. Surely ?
Also, where's it all going. How many thousands of PPE are being ditched daily during this crisis! What a waste of money too.
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'Huge global demand' - The World Health Organization (WHO) has said there is no evidence to support the use of face masks by the general population.
It says people who are not in health and care facilities should only wear masks if they are sick or caring for those who are ill.
Is this turning into a school yard argument >:(. Once-only masks - isn't a possibility if 1 considers the millions that will be required daily and how will they be disposed because they become clinical waste. Another drain on NHS resources?
One company had made masks which said "If you can read this you are too close". They got slammed apparently by the NHS :-\ whereas I would have bought several! I think it's an ideal sentiment anyway. These fashion masks could have been washed, ironed if necessary and re-sued.
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Cotton will let the virus through.
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Is anyone making scrubs for their local hospital? - a few of my friends are but I'm no good at all at that sort of thing.
Taz x
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Nope - can't thread a needle ;D and how does that work when the government won't reply to those offering full face masks? Some locally are making laundry bags from old sheets etc., can't work out why :-\ ..............
stellajane - I wonder if putting a panty liner between two layers of cotton would work, the liner could be thrown away each time the mask is washed? There's that protection strip after all and cotton does allow germ particles through. I suggest that putting all the masks into a bag away from other clothing too, boil wash the lost in the bag every few days?
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I do wish that the government would stop harping on about it. It's not been proven to work so why waste breath?!?
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It's the journalists, every day in the press conference it's at least one question on PPE. Watching tv a few days ago and a nurse was asked about her hospital and she said yes we have enough, not the answer the presenter was hoping for.
The number of items the hospitals are going through is vast, it feels like huge waste, obviously some things are single use but scrubs can easily be washed.
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It is why the NHS over-all is short of money and equipment. Because it's a throw away society!
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Is anyone making scrubs for their local hospital? - a few of my friends are but I'm no good at all at that sort of thing.
Taz x
My DC's school are making visors in the DT department, but have run out of materials. They have made over 700 so far.
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As well as removing it when talking to others?
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Someone said to me :This Virus started in China where they wear masks : :-\
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From what I understand the only benefit of wearing mask is to prevent infecting others, if you yourself are unwell. If that's the case you should not be out and about anyway.
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From what I understand the only benefit of wearing mask is to prevent infecting others, if you yourself are unwell. If that's the case you should not be out and about anyway.
Yes but also if you are asymptomatic or infected but not showing any symptoms yet. That said, I really don't want to wear one. Prefer to keep my distance from others but I can see them becoming compulsory.
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From what I understand the only benefit of wearing mask is to prevent infecting others, if you yourself are unwell. If that's the case you should not be out and about anyway.
Yes but also if you are asymptomatic or infected but not showing any symptoms yet. That said, I really don't want to wear one. Prefer to keep my distance from others but I can see them becoming compulsory.
Doesn't mask wearing create another set of problems though. If they are as an ineffective barrier, as has been reported, they won't reduce infection. Also they make people more relaxed about keeping to the two metre rule. Can't see them helping myself.
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I'll wear one on public transport (albeit just to give myself a false sense of security), otherwise (and where I need to see without steaming up) probably not!
They're going to have to put a lot more trains and buses on if we're going to abide by the distancing rules aren't they?
Only once the lockdown is relaxed. We shouldn't be travelling now. I have just heard that Germany is making masks compulsory on public transport but also that Angela Merkel is warning against relaxing lockdown too much and too quickly.
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So how will opening the Tube work then?
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Nor me.
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So how will opening the Tube work then?
It isn't closed now because NHS workers and other essential workers have to get to work. I haven't been on it since March 20th so don't know how many are still using it now.
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Tnx. Wonder how many have been affected by travelling this way?
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I was listening to a programme on Radio 4 last night, called More or Less. It was about any numbers connected to the virus and in particular infection rates. Apparently NHS staff have the same infection rate as the general population, but for London Bus drivers it has been much, much higher. Hence passengers now have to get on and off via the middle doors.
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I only caught the tail end of the programme, but I may listen to all of it on Sounds today.
Every shop seems to be doing things differently. My son went into M&S Foods, for the first time since Lock down (I go in a lot), and remarked how much safer he felt in there than other supermarkets. Have to agree.
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Ah, only short or no queues at ours. :)
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Trains and buses: How can they be allowed to have standing passengers, no other industry would allow it :beat: :bang:
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;D
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It's better now than back in the day when I first started commuting. If you went upstairs because downstairs was full you were sat in a cloud of fag smoke. Then later when I was working in the 90s, the one route I travelled they were still smoking upstairs but they weren't regular cigs and I'd arrive at the office feeling high!
Smoking in London buses (top deck) was stopped in 1985 or early 86. I came back from my year in Germany and found that I could travel smoke free on the top deck of Routemaster buses.
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It's amazing how 'they' have very little idea of the Real World >:(
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So what would you do if you were pm? Keep everything closed and people lose their jobs or open them up and cause further deaths? It's not a choice I'd like to make. Perhaps THEY understand the problem perfectly well, they just don't have a magic wand to make everything OK.
I imagine many people will continue to work from home but I can't see how public transport can be made safe and still get enough people to work.
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Keep most things closed. Make sure that distancing is maintained on public transport or provide specific taxis for those needing to go to work, thereby helping the taxi drivers.
Will people lose their jobs, I thought the government was intending to pay most until this Virus dies down?
I think that public transport is getting people to work and if working from home doesn't cause too much anxiety for those who lack social contact with colleagues, that will become 'normal' for many Companies. The idea is not to open up the country all at once because there will be peaks and troughs.
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Will people lose their jobs, I thought the government was intending to pay most until this Virus dies down?
Unfortunately that won't make a blind bit of difference when companies go bust, as they are already.
Remember the 1970's. It will be like that all over again.
We already know people who have lost their jobs.
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I think that people need contact with others beyond Zoom facilities too.
I vote for a Storm Troopers outfit ;-)
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Will people lose their jobs, I thought the government was intending to pay most until this Virus dies down?
Unfortunately that won't make a blind bit of difference when companies go bust, as they are already.
Remember the 1970's. It will be like that all over again.
We already know people who have lost their jobs.
I don't yet know anyone who has lost their job but know several who have been furloughed (not any colleagues ). My team leader and I have been working out tasks which our part timer can do to show that she is being kept busy. She can't do her usual job at all from home.
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We were only just getting out of 10 years of austerity and people were very glad we were. The black hole left by this is going to be so much bigger than the one Gordon Brown left behind. It isn't the government who will be paying for furloughed workers, it's everyone who pays tax (including many who can only dream of of the ?2500 per month some people are getting). I hate to think of the cuts to services and tax rises that will result.
BTW if I was PM we would remain in lockdown.
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I would also increase tax across the board. To pay for Health Care, Education, Road repairs ........
How would we know each other if we all wore Storm Trooper outfits?
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I know several people who are "working from home" who are saying they really can't do that much!
Some employers are happy to turn a blind eye .... for the time being!
I am quite busy from home. We were issued with laptops to take home with additional software added to give us access to all our files.
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The Government has missed out the care industry, not those OAPs but the beauty, nails, hairdressers who are struggling because many are freelance :-\. I would be prepared to go to my stylist if she is free of symptoms ......... if she choose to wear a mask that's OK too.
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I think our stylist will stagger visits .......... they were already wiping down etc..
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I have one that comes to the house which, to be honest, I think is less risky than a saloon.
I worry about her as she is a single mum.
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I think that he will be surprised at the number of people that won't make appts. unless he has a strategy ;-).
I wouldn't worry about a hairdresser attending at home. As long as they hadn't shown symptoms. They become friends don't they :-\
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IMO anyone considering a hair appointment should think again. Look what happened in Italy - all allegedly stated by an asymptomatic person. The next asymptomatuc super spreader might be your hairdresser. Even if they wear a mask (and it's unlikely to be medical grade) it will be all over their hands, their clothes and their scissors. Why on earth take the risk?
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I have a shed full of :-X ;) ......... anyone remember a Flit gun ::)
What colour will you paint your Storm Trooper outfits?
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Literally - in one of those large cardboard boxes or tucked into a drawer ;D
We have a hardware shop 7 miles away that's been in the same family for nearly 200 years, some of the furniture goes back at least 150. It's like stepping back in time ;-)
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My sister's PPE - ordered in November - arrived last week. 1 plastic apron, 2 pairs of gloves, a mask, glasses which broke as she took them out of the box. That was 1 set for each staff member. Tnx Matt Hancock!
Also, because she works in a private facility even though the main clients are from the NHS, she won't qualify for the ?500.00 nor testing kits that 'they' promised. Initially the Welsh Assembly said 'no' to testing but did a sharp U-turn. Still doesn't apply to private homes though.
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Has anyone bought or made a mask. Quiet honestly I can't really be bothered but I'm beginning to feel I should wear one in the supermarket. Would a scarf do ??
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Has anyone bought or made a mask. Quiet honestly I can't really be bothered but I'm beginning to feel I should wear one in the supermarket. Would a scarf do ??
I've made one using the 'sock? technique- cheap, easy and it works.
I'm guessing a scarf is just as effective :)
Wearing a covering is to protect others, not ourselves, apparently.
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Has anyone bought or made a mask. Quiet honestly I can't really be bothered but I'm beginning to feel I should wear one in the supermarket. Would a scarf do ??
I bought a couple of the basic ones and had to wear it for my hospital visits this week. Really didn't like it. It made me touch my face more because I had to adjust it but also because it made my nose and cheek itch. Have been browsing ones online but can't tell if they are any good or would fit me well enough.
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I've got a couple of those scarfs that aren't scarfs. They are circular and pull over the head and sit on the neck. I'll might wear those as I can pull them up over the face.
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I saw a couple in the full gear in the garden centre yesterday: big goggles, a huge mask and gloves. Probably quite hot to wear!
There was advice last week: "Take a T-shirt. One that you won't want to wear again" . >:( If it wasn't so serious, that might be funny .
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My OH bought some masks, ( obviously, it's a worry, having been through what he's been through) and they?re FFP2 N95. Think he paid ?39 for ten.
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Most masks have a CN number which is mis-leading. All items sold in the UK have to carry a CN number ::) mainly seen on soft toys.
It's to protect others, not ourselves ;-)
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I've given up on the idea. I'm stuffed up with Hayfever anyway, so when I tried my scarf thingy, I just couldn't breath.
Back to the drawing board.
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That'll be staying inside then?
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I shopped in M&S Food yesterday, and they were selling packs of 3 single use masks.
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Why single use ? All that going into land fill :-\. They are to protect others, not the wearer. I would be tempted to wash mine ;-)
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I shopped in M&S Food yesterday, and they were selling packs of 3 single use masks.
Ooooh how much?
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I shopped in M&S Food yesterday, and they were selling packs of 3 single use masks.
Ooooh how much?
Sorry, I don't know. I only spotted them on the way out.
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Hello ladies
I don't usually wear a mask but yesterday I had some blood tests so I wore a mask and gloves to the surgery. It was uncomfortably hot under the mask and my hands were so sweaty the gloves were sticking to me. I feel sorry for the people having to work wearing them. As you all know, the paper surgical masks are single use and become damp after about three hours.
My husband ordered our masks online from a supplier in London and they were reasonably priced and arrived promptly. I found disposable gloves in a motor repair shop, they had a range of sizes and came in boxes of a hundred. Apparently car mechanics wear them to keep their hands clean.
Take care ladies.
K.
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Full PPE is almost impossible to work in. My Dentist has trialled it and told me it is very uncomfortable, plus communication is very difficult. The Care staff where Mum lives are in full behind the face masks ..........
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What type of gloves? Meths is a good cleanser or hand wash over 75% alcohol. Marigolds should take a good few wipes with Meths ;-)
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Had to wear a mask to an appointment this morning. I'd made my own from a tshirt, and it did get quite sweaty, so I really do feel for those who have to wear it to work. Anyone else see this https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8339101/Nurse-disciplined-wearing-lingerie-PPE-gown-Russia.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8339101/Nurse-disciplined-wearing-lingerie-PPE-gown-Russia.html)
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Horse. Stable door. Bolted .............
Why the change of WHO advice?
3 layers? Provided by who exactly? I will be 55 for many years to come ;D
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Our first minister was asked about wearing masks on public transport in Wales, his answers sum up why Im ashamed he's In charge. He stated that people with breathing problems like asthma find it difficult to use masks, should people with breathing problems really be using public transport ? If you are on a long journey you wouldn't be able to eat or drink, sorry ladies but don't go on any long journeys in England on public transport you will starve and be dehydrated when you get to your destination, Unless you come into Wales when you can tear off your mask and eat and drink all you want ::) ::)
He is considering what our policy will be, he dithers and wont make decisions unless forced, before he got the job he publicly stated he didnt want it :-[
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Morning. I have to wonder how ill Boris was ........ many people have taken months to even begin walking again and some have had to withdraw from working due to feeling tired++ etc..
On my way Two Hoots ......... my point has been since the last announcement, is that those with asthma shouldn't be on public transport. It will take a brave person to ask me my age :argue: :poke2: :kick: 8)
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Your as old as your tongue and a bit older than your teeth ;D
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:lol: your Mum read that too then :D
I'm off to buy a burka.
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:lol: your Mum read that too then :D
I'm off to buy a burka.
My gran used to say it when I asked how old she was, she was a little old lady who always wore a hat when she went out. When I look at old photos of her with me when I was a little girl she looked old, unfortunately Im not far off her age in the photos now :o
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The worst thing is when someone says ?how old do I look? ? ::)
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:rofl: "How old would you like me to believe that you are?" ;)
My Grans always wore hats - never went shopping without that. Paternal Grandma had a morning hat, gloves and bag and an afternoon hat, gloves and bag ;-) did things proper she did 8)
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I dont know if its my new batch but not long after putting one on my nose itches and streams and my lips itch and tingle. Even without that, it feels too hot and hard to breath through them after a while. I think I might struggle more than an hour. But it does make me less paranoid about people getting too close to me when I can't avoid it. X
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However: that's probably an allergic reaction - what's it been treated with?
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There'll be a Revolution next. It isn't up to a stranger to tell me what I must wear, they aren't privy to my personal medical details after all. The UK Government seems to have a kick reaction to anything that it might read or hear from the various 'ideas' that are currently being banded around. Perhaps they should read the Sat. papers ........
It's been shown that distancing goes out the window World wide following the George Floyd death.
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There isn't any proof other than those who wear them aren't protected.
There's an article in the Guardian today that says people will begin making masks at home ;D .......... I can't thread a needle!
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There isn't any proof other than those who wear them aren't protected.
It doesn't protect YOU but it does give a certain amount of protection to others should you be infected but maybe not yet showing symptoms. It's not something that anyone wants to do but it does seem selfish not to if it keeps others safe?
Taz x :-\
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I can't get my head round how a mask can protect others but not yourself
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Neither can I. The ones advertised are three layers .......... those that have worn masks say they become damp inside after a short while. One advert tells the public that the mask lasts a week ........... ::)
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I can't get my head round how a mask can protect others but not yourself
I think I read that the mask doesn't protect against the aerosol effect of the virus but does stop the droplets which the wearer could be expelling. These droplets land on surfaces etc which is where a lot of transmission occurs. Will have a search around.
Taz x
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Tnx. It really does depend on which articles one reads at the moment especially those that are selling masks ::)
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If you want a mask that protects you it needs to be medical grade. Those are the ones they want for the nhs so the public aren't encouraged to use them.
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There are companies that are making 'medical grade' masks. Apparently. Huge adverts in the Saturday Nationals ........ however.
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I think there should be more advice on the correct way to put them on and, more importantly, take them off. I see that a lot of the companies selling the cotton ones don't include this information and it's crucial if you are not to transfer particles which may be on the outside of the mask onto your hands or surfaces.
Taz x
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I have read this evening : not to touch the face covering between fixing and removal. As this increases the risk of a virus being picked up on the hands and being transferred. I'm touching my face all the while as I have an underlying itch ::).
Some companies sell the initial mask with 2 filters to be fitted into a pouch. I suppose carbon filter would be the most suitable? Like in a 'hoovery thingy'?
I have looked at several sites and found one lady who used her 'bra - so she has 2 masks, one in the wash ......... the cup was turned sideways and secured with ribbon; couldn't decide which cup size she might be using but it was bright red; well that had crossed my mind but thought my idea might be OTT ;D [like most of my comments often are ::)]. However, as I don't wear one .......... and shops aren't open.
Most of the masks look like panty liners :-\ ......... the latter of course wouldn't allow droplets to escape if one sneezed?
Overall consensus is that which ever design is chosen it should be fitted correctly. To be fixed and removed with as little contact as possible.
Snoods seem to be popular but shouldn't be moved up and down. There's a company in the Peak District that makes similar designs and will add your own idea to their material. But they are apparently, busy ::).
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All of these have been around for some time. Have you only just started looking? :-\
Taz x ;)
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Sorry don't understand the query?
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I notice people touching their faces to adjust mask. Very thing we shouldnt do. I dont even touch my glasses until I can wash or gel my hands. So I'm trying to do my shopping with steamed up glasses!!!! I've been using the surgical masks which i throw away. The quality on this batch isnt as good as last even though they came from same company. They tear very easily. And i think I'm allergic to them which i wasnt with last batch. Xx
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Hi girls,
Last WHO recommendation is a 3 layer fabric mask. Outer - synthetic fluid resistant like polyester or polyester blend , Middle - polypropylene, Inner - cotton.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/question-and-answers-hub/q-a-detail/q-a-on-covid-19-and-masks
BeaR.
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:thankyou:
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QE II, King's Lynn , require masks [see local BBC news]
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Where's BeaR gone???
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What's that got to do with masks :-\
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What's that got to do with masks :-\
Nothing.
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She only pops on periodically. ( BeaR) .
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It's okay JD, I noticed her name had gone black.
I have since heard from her and she has left due to pressing family commitments.
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Been to a huge shopping warehouse this afternoon
Most of us didn't bother with masks/gloves. Those that did hadn't a clue about how they should be worn >:( especially the two Pakistani lads aged about 11 and 15. They were charging about with masks round their chins and one pushed into the same chiller cabinet as I was picking up chicken from >:(. No 'excuse me' or distancing ......... elbowed me in order to pick up 1 pack of chicken. Almost like he either coulnl'dt be bothered to be polite or had no idea of the new rules. There were 3 chillers with the same items, I had chosen the end one due to keeping out of the way!
Several had masks on but were lifting them up/down ....... although we have been told not to touch our faces :-\ ........
I think a letter to the Manager is in order? It was interesting that the ethnic groups had no distancing at all, some were picking up items and putting them back. We didn't wear gloves or masks but had sanitiser which we used all the way round, trollies were being wiped between customers.
It was difficult to keep out of the way and thankfully it wasn't nearly as busy as usual.
DH was watching the Youth Football Team last night. Supposedly 9 should turn up each evening for training, he counted 28 as well as coaches. Hi-fiving, hugging, slapping palms ........... and the coaches said nowt. Where were the parents? It's like a creche for young people, whereas we don't allow under 18s 2 be without a parent or guardian.
There will be a stern letter to the Manager of the Sports Club, we have had to produce a safety report relative to what our Governing Body insist upon in order to get Insurance cover.
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There's no way I would go to a "huge shopping warehouse" at the moment. :-\
Taz x
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Needs must and I expected much more discipline with Staff reminding shoppers to maintain rules. I was really annoyed about the lack of Staff at the end of each aisle :-\
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I think a letter to the Manager is in order? It was interesting that the ethnic groups had no distancing at all, some were picking up items and putting them back. We didn't wear gloves or masks but had sanitiser which we used all the way round, trollies were being wiped between customers.
CLKD, do you know what 'passive racism' is. If not perhaps you should look it up. >:(
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I'm not worried particularly because I turned my face. It's the rudeness that makes me SO cross ....... we saw it with 2 English men who were working in the store on electrics who barged past a customer wearing his mask who was waiting to pay for his good. The 2 men could have used an aisle set aside for work force :(. The Staff didn't seem to see the situation: they are probably used to it: but it was noted in the queue behind us with people sighing.
The warehouse is HUGE! I look at the goods stacked high on pallets and think 'can we really get through ALL that!' ::)
No masks necessary, which protect others not the wearer. Nor gloves. Interesting that the most mask wearers were from China and Korea and weren't fidgeting with their coverings where as the others kept lifting theirs up and down. I touch my face a lot due to an underlying itch and have to remind myself to try not to.
I also find it of interest that clothing was being picked up/down and there wasn't anyone to advise shoppers or remove those items from the aisles. So may be this is an area that should be looked at in more depth as the catering trade in our area is in the main multi-ethnic based: does anyone yet know how long C-19 lives on cloth? or books ? or .......... [Chinese, Lebanese, Korean, Portuguese, Italian, French, Polish, Caribeen. I love browsing the markets but will avoid those until the New Year].
costco is an American Company with top range food stuffs, mainly for the catering industry . We have been Members for years and usually shop there 3/4 times a year. Mainly for meat: Scottish bred mince and steak; chicken, sugar, kitchen roll, 'kleenex', knickers, socks, books, hand wash ......... we have space to store it all.
Now the UK government is suggesting that distancing can be dropped next week :-\. Any one know why exactly after all the fuss that's been made over keeping away from others? I love it when people keep out of my space ;-) especially when I'm shopping.
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CLKD, do you know what 'passive racism' is. If not perhaps you should look it up. >:(
What would you say to me across the table in a Pub then? The area in which I live is HUGELY ethnically diverse. One cannot get away from the fact. I have worked with many nationalities over the years from across the World :-). A geography lesson without needing to travel ;)
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CLKD, do you know what 'passive racism' is. If not perhaps you should look it up. >:(
What would you say to me across the table in a Pub then? The area in which I live is HUGELY ethnically diverse. One cannot get away from the fact. I have worked with many nationalities over the years from across the World :-). A geography lesson without needing to travel ;)
I call it out when I see or hear it and will continue to do so.
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That hasn't answered my question. What nationality do you think I am? and should it matter?
As you weren't with DH and I whilst shopping how could you 'see' or 'hear' it - what ever it might be?
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CLKD, you talk enough about yourself for everyone to know your nationality.
As for your second point I was referring to the content of your posts. But I think you know that.
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Needs must and I expected much more discipline with Staff reminding shoppers to maintain rules. I was really annoyed about the lack of Staff at the end of each aisle :-\
I guess I'm lucky in being able to order everything we need online.
Taz x
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You haven't answered my question .......... what is your real problem, now and earlier in the week?
We order books on-line: especially if they need to be posted elsewhere as gifts - many are brought in Charity shops or from 'Waterstones' so once we are out and about properly - I have a list ;)
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Okay, I'm not going to get into an obscure debate with you as I really haven't the foggiest idea what you are on about.
And, just for the record, you didn't answer my question either.
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OK : well yes actually. Having worked with many nationalities over the years and seen racism in it's ugly colours ........... I could write a book, personally and culturally. Bullying was common whilst I was growing up.
I hope that distancing continues at least for a couple of more months, until the effects of marching and queuing are felt.
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Just remember some people think you're not allowed to mention race in any negative connotation ;D. Which would be laughable if it didn't lead to things such as the horrors of the Rochdale sex abuse ring. Never heard of passive racism.
Used my shopping marigolds to put the ewe's rectal prolapse back in. Next time I go shopping...
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People (from all races) do often struggle to recognise that its ok to refer to someone, who has done something wrongs, race (or gender, age etc.) when describing them. This is completely different to offering the assumption that 'they are all like that?.
The line gets blurred a lot through media stoking and emotional assumptions.
Being annoyed by several people's behaviour and then noting they were all of a different ethnicity to ourselves, appears to conclude they are all like that. The facts may be that every single non-white person in that supermarket were not obeying rules and all the white people were, hence there was accuracy in the statement, however, by stating ethnicity, as if it must be relevant, doesn't account for that next non-white person who enters and behaves impeccably and the white person who follows them in and goes wild breaking every rule in the book!
Not as a full comparison to race, which has many more complexities, but for clarity it's a bit like pejoratively calling all kids born after a certain year Snowflakes. There will, of course, be many who are quite the opposite.
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Thank you dangermouse.
Shame you had to explain it through.
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Hello again ladies.
As we all know some people enjoy creating discord, probably for reasons of their own.
Barrack Obama said he wanted his children to be judged by the quality of their character rather than the colour of their skin. Seems fair.
Take care everyone.
K.
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As we all know some people enjoy creating discord, probably for reasons of their own.
I couldn't agree more, and that is exactly what is pi**ing me off on here at the moment Kathleen.
This will put people off joining the forum - it has certainly put me off posting at times - then at other times I have to pop in to say something because I get so angry & it upsets me. I try & stay out of it but I can't because of the comments that are made by a member who continuously brings politics & the colour of peoples skin or nationality onto the forum - it is happening more & more these days & I'm sick of reading it on here.
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Are you referring to me Kathleen? I just get fed up with people jumping on the racist bandwagon when an innocent remark has been made. If some people (of any race) have done something it isn't racist to say so, it's fact. If the reader concludes every person of that race does the same when it hasn't been said perhaps it's the reader at fault. If I said some white women were beating up an Asian man would you conclude all white women beat up Asian men?
Absolutely racism should be called out where it exists but not when it's based on the reader's assumptions. The abuse in Rochdale shows what happens when people are so frightened of being labelled racist they don't act when they should.
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Anyway, getting back to masks. Got a lift in to our nearest big town this morning. Did what I had to do and caught the train home, only 6 minutes. Wore my mask and it was a total pain. My glasses kept steaming up. Had to lower it using the ticket machine, as I couldn't see the screen. No one in my carriage so all pretty pointless.
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Ah, thanks for the tip. :)
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Hello again ladies.
Sheila 99 - I wasn't referring to you at all and I completely take your point about the Rochdale cases. Racism in all it's forms is very difficult to deal with.
Bizarrely as a white woman I believe I experienced racism when I was younger. The way this one incident made me feel made a big impression on me and I haven't forgotten it.
Wishing everyone well.
K.
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Shady, I've found this too being a specs wearer. I've read that if you put shaving foam on them they don't steam up.Obviously you clean the foam off ;D ;D Don't know if it really works.xx
It does help a lot, according to DH. A nurse at our local hospital told him to wipe the lenses with soapy water, shaving foam, mild shampoo etc and then to air dry them.
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If some people (of any race) have done something it isn't racist to say so, it's fact. If the reader concludes every person of that race does the same when it hasn't been said perhaps it's the reader at fault. If I said some white women were beating up an Asian man would you conclude all white women beat up Asian men?
Absolutely racism should be called out where it exists but not when it's based on the reader's assumptions. The abuse in Rochdale shows what happens when people are so frightened of being labelled racist they don't act when they should.
it's the context in how relevant it is to describe someone's race. If its used to visually recognise someone (like a police statement to be on the lookout) then that works, but to use it when describing someone's behaviour doesnt.
Rochdale had so many racist issues, the police ignoring in case they were accused of being racist, and the racist assumption by these men that white girls were trash. The gangs being Asian wasn't relevant as not all Asian men have this belief or behave in that way. The links the police found between the gangs, which they were afraid to act upon, were the culture of those types of gangs and not the race of those involved. That part can be tricky to separate though when they are all formed of the same race! Hence, you need more information of their activities to ensure you are not barking up the wrong tree.
I think it's good to have these conversations rather than getting angry as it's helps to educate.
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Hello again ladies.
On the steaming lenses problem I think divers spit in their masks before they dive to stop their masks steaming up. Probably not a good idea to be seen spitting in the street at the moment! Maybe before you leave the house?
Take care ladies.
K.
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Yep - steamed up glasses is a sure way of finding out that the mask is inappropriate.
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I watched the football last night, the Man City v Arsenal game, the players were spitting everywhere, I think its revolting :hotflash:
When the physio came on to treat the players his mask was tucked under his nose ???
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Hello again ladies
When the government said spitting would be discouraged for footballers I did wonder how that would work.
I couldn't imagine the players discreetly expectorating into a hanky and slipping it into their sleeves lol. Perhaps they should be provided with a spittoon lol.
Take care all.
K.
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Spitting in public is an offence in the UK.
YUKCY habit :sick02:
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Why does anyone need to spit? Why on earth do they do it?
JP x
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Ive just remembered the other thing I see in sport that's disgusting, closing one nostril with their finger and clearing the other nostril
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The pro cyclists do that, even the women :-\
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Hello again ladies.
Although spitting is disgusting sporting types do it because their level of activity produces a lot of phlegm. It is possible to swallow it of course which normally happens and our stomach acid deals with it. I don't think footballers make a habit of spitting when they are not playing. The sawdust in pubs mops up spilt beer mainly and the spittoon was for smokers and tobacco chewers who also needed to clear their airways often.
As an aside I think the Paris metro used to have no spitting signs on their carriages. A message for the Gauloise set possibly lol.
Take care ladies.
K.
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Spitting in public is an offence in the UK.
YUKCY habit :sick02:
Only if you deliberately spit at someone, then it is common assault.
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There are council by-laws that make spitting in public a criminal offence I believe.
Taz x
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There are council by-laws that make spitting in public a criminal offence I believe.
Taz x
True, but that only applies in one or two councils. It's akin to local litter laws or parking fines. Not criminal law in the true sense. You won't get a criminal record for it except if you refused to pay the fine.
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The gangs being Asian wasn't relevant as not all Asian men have this belief or behave in that way. The links the police found between the gangs, which they were afraid to act upon, were the culture of those types of gangs and not the race of those involved.
I disagree completely with that. The gangs being Asian was absolutely key to it being racial abuse, there's no question it was one racial group abusing another. I agree culture and race often go hand in hand but you can't excuse racial abuse by saying it's cultural. Had it been a group a group of white men abusing Asian girls there would be no question it was a racist attack.
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Try going to an ice rink after a hockey game. Trying to avoid the spit is like an obstacle course, and it's absolutely disgusting :sick02:
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The gangs being Asian wasn't relevant as not all Asian men have this belief or behave in that way. The links the police found between the gangs, which they were afraid to act upon, were the culture of those types of gangs and not the race of those involved.
I disagree completely with that. The gangs being Asian was absolutely key to it being racial abuse, there's no question it was one racial group abusing another. I agree culture and race often go hand in hand but you can't excuse racial abuse by saying it's cultural. Had it been a group a group of white men abusing Asian girls there would be no question it was a racist attack.
Yes in this instance it is relevant to the parties involved, as yes Asian men were being racist but, as that doesn't mean all Asian men are, it's not relevant to the bigger picture. The point is that you can't know how someone will behave until you witness that behaviour. You can't just assume even if probability of culture is high. I mentioned culture because thats where the behaviour lies, as in the culture of football hooliganism, drug dealer violence, etc.
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I think you are right dangermouse. Also, it was not the fact that the girls were white which made them the target for abuse. It was that they were available to be exploited in a way that would be less likely for girls within the perpetrators own community. Asian children, and girls in particular are kept close and protected. Many of the girls that were abused were under the care of the local authority. They did a very poor job. Add in the fact that the police treated them as prostitutes and not child abuse victims and the result was horrific.
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Dangermouse why on earth would you think that some racist Asians means they all are? No one has suggested it.
Shady I suggest you do some reading about the case before you comment. It doesn't matter how much you try to twist it to put the blame elsewhere, the facts remain.
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Dangermouse why on earth would you think that some racist Asians means they all are? No one has suggested it.
Shady I suggest you do some reading about the case before you comment. It doesn't matter how much you try to twist it to put the blame elsewhere, the facts remain.
I done lots of research thanks, so no facts twisted. It's my area of knowledge due to a relevant educational degree.
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After my bad experience with a bought disposable mask, I wondered if anyone has made one they are happy with?
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it's the context in how relevant it is to describe someone's race. If its used to visually recognise someone (like a police statement to be on the lookout) then that works, but to use it when describing someone's behaviour doesnt.
This ^^^^^^
Absolutely spot on dangermouse. That's it exactly and far better than I could have articulated. I haven't been following this but had a look back up the thread but the gratuitous mentioning of someone's racial identity in contexts where this is totally irrelevant really bugs me, and yes especially on this forum and should be called out every time otherwise nothing will ever change.
Hurdity x
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I done lots of research thanks, so no facts twisted. It's my area of knowledge due to a relevant educational degree.
Criminology by any chance? ;)
Hurdity x
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I done lots of research thanks, so no facts twisted. It's my area of knowledge due to a relevant educational degree.
Criminology by any chance? ;)
Hurdity x
Yep, social policy and criminology, to be precise.
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This is a real meander ::) - I read a book about 3/4 years ago written by one of the girls that was abused in the Sheffield area, she was assisted by a professional writer to get her point across. She was 13 when the abuse began. Under the 'care' of the Local Authority. But she and others ran wild, which she admitted to in the book. - so if anyone is really interested in how youngsters are manipulated then do look at the various Reports and life stories - usually in Charity shops.
As for masks: although I carry an unwrapped mask I have yet to be asked to wear one.
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I done lots of research thanks, so no facts twisted. It's my area of knowledge due to a relevant educational degree.
:rofl:
You should know to look at ALL the facts then, not just the ones that support your theory. I agree the police didn't treat the victims the way they should but that doesn't mean you can ignore the racial aspect of it.
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I think I will be inclined to wear a mask when things get more crowded :-\ and MayB carry a cattle prod ......... :D : do they need AA batteries or are they re-chargeable?
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Glad I made you laugh Sheila ;)
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Coronavirus: Designer develops mobile plastic shield
Plastock, a UK plastics company, has developed a personal, mobile plastic shield for use by the public during coronavirus, called the Persona 360 or "Tube Tube".
At the moment it has to be ordered on a bespoke basis and costs more than ?100, but if there's enough interest the company plans to mass produce it.
Looks good to me and after C-19 is over, it can be used to keep plants frost free.
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Unfortunately it doesn't really reassure me. I have noticed that those masked and gloved up pay less attention to social distancing. Most don't wear them probably anyway, including me. ::)
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Hello ladies.
I was in a pharmacy yesterday and a very nervous customer came in and asked about the distancing rules. She had been shielding and was only just venturing out. Her mask was only looped around one ear so the other half was not pressed against her face. When I pointed this out she said she didn't like it too close to her face as it made her feel smothered.
I found it very difficult to keep a 2 metre distance from everyone yesterday as there were many more people about and lots of them were too close together and not moving out of each other's way. I think I might start wearing a mask when I go shopping.
Our coffee shops are open for take aways and there were a group of young mums with their prams gathered together outside drinking their coffee and all standing very close together.
My final moan is about people who on their way to the end of a queue manage to walk so closely to everyone that they practically brush arms! I am sure these people think they are social distancing because they then stand two metres away at the end of the line.
That's my rant for the day ladies, hope you enjoyed lol.
Take care.
K.
I think part of the problem is that
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Dangermouse why on earth would you think that some racist Asians means they all are? No one has suggested it.
Well that's exactly the point, of course it's ridiculous to think that!
Therefore, it's nothing to do with race (otherwise the above would apply) and all about the cultural behaviour of those specific groups of men.
The police not acting in case the race card was pulled was a pathetic excuse as they had enough evidence to defend their actions, which the policewoman who was sacked proved singlehandedly.
In the same light, that's not being sexist and saying the police men were inept because they were men. Just those individuals involved.
Every individual is a complete individual, no matter what similarities they share with someone else.
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Every individual is a complete individual, no matter what similarities they share with someone else.
I like that. Very profound.
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"Oh not another mask!" muttered DH in a garden centre earlier ::). That's 5 now. Still unopened ;D
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Would you mind PMing me the website Teresa. I can't get on with the disposal ones I bought.
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I thought the idea of masks was to protect other people rather than the wearer. I don't feel any safer in mine if anyone gets too close. Theresa is right to say everyone should use them in shops. Otherwise, what's the point? After all, they are compulsory on public transport.
JP x
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There are other viruses about so hopefully your daughter's friend Diane won't have C-19. It takes 5+ days for the results to be returned if the NHS don't lose them >:(, did she have a throat and nose swab. I doubt that she caught it in the garden centre if she was alone :-\ unless she touched a contaminant and then her face/nose.
I was buying another mask ;-) cotton; it has butterflies on.
There are no end of designs on line. One man uses an old sock ::) but that would be too thick a material for me. It is to keep others safe, not the wearer .
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Diane - any news about your friend's daughter ?
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So am I! I think we feel worse knowing if there is 'something doing the Rounds'? Lots of TLC required, Paracetamol/nurofen and push liquids.
So - social distancing gaps to be reduced :-\. This should help the cafe industry :). Especially if they have tables outside in this lovely weather. Maybe get a hair cut at the same time?
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Interesting that the footballers and Managers were hugging etc. last night - none wearing masks >:(. Of course, they may all have been tested :-\
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Interesting that the footballers and Managers were hugging etc. last night - none wearing masks >:(. Of course, they may all have been tested :-\
I have been told that any person attending a "closed" sporting occasion are having their temperature taken twice before entering the premises, if the average does not come between a certain number then they will not be admitted. I understand that on site workers at these venues also have to have filled in a health questionaire.
It's never going to be perfect or 100% I know.
Cazikins x
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At least they're making some attempt at making sure they're virus free, unlike the drunks who will be hugging each next weekend >:(.
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....... I've been to an antique shop. People picking up and putting down items >:(. I was getting really rattled. Which aint' difficult :-\
She was saying to her friend "OH this reminds me of my Mum" picking up a glass vase and I was thinking 'well you don't have to handle it to remember your Mum, put the effing thing down!!!' and this went on all round the place. Very little awareness of keeping distance nor about handling items. Hopefully they will be untouched for the rest of the week! There were 2 wearing masks who we found out that we kind of know from other antique centres ;D
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BBC News: Prof Lavoie adds that "there has been increased research" into face coverings, including observational studies which indicate "countries with high mask wearing seem to have lower infection rates".
Furthermore, a number of scientists now say there is "some evidence" that masks can protect the wearer as well as those around them.
There is also growing acceptance that the pandemic could continue for a long time - and, if so, face coverings could be seen as something necessary to help people adapt, and reduce risks as businesses and schools re-open.
However: if glasses steam up when a mask is worn, the mask is not fitted correctly. If air can escape, so can germs. To wear in the shop and remove on the street: so touching anything that may have been contaminated is then transferred to the mask/face/lips which defeats the object of the exercise. If you are going to wear a mask all the while in town that's fine: if you are going to lift it up in a shop and drop it off the face when leaving, then do use gel first!! or the chance of any germ being passes is heightened.
I wonder who is funding any research on to wear or not to wear ............... :-\ I want a clear understanding of where the fine monies will go!
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I wore my cotton mask this morning to go into the Surgery. Big sign asking visitors to wear masks. Got inside, not 1 of the Staff had a mask in sight!
My glasses steamed up immediately. How is 1 going to get out of this by telling the Police that "I have a medical condition". :-\
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We don't have shaving foam ;D and the point is, if glasses steam up then droplets will leave the mask area if someone sneezes. If they are to be compulsory then the NHS should provide the correct ones.
We don't have to wear a mask when buying on-line ;)
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Not if you have photochromic varyfocals. I just ended up with a load of smears.
Wouldn't stop me throwing up or fainting either.
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I posted this study yesterday on the main thread:
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-oxford-covid-19-study-face-masks-and-coverings-work-act-now
Hurdity x
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Horse. Stable door. Bolted - again >:(
Unless it's correct PPE it won't help to stop the spread. I like social distancing ;D ...........
Shaving foam ........... there's a blast from the past ;D anyone remember 'brut' ........
Why does Boris look like he's wearing a teen 'bra ........ and what about those that look like panty liners :-\
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It think that they are much better as they can be wiped and cleansed regularly.
Also there are a few people that have made masks with clear mouth areas for those who need to lip read.
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Possibly Folklass , but the ones you can get online are naff and get poor reviews. Also they don't stop glasses steaming up. Quite frankly I've given up I'd rather stay home.
This isn't a small problem. About 10% of the population are claustrophobic. My sister is also and managed 5 minutes, practicing with a mask at home. Then she started reaching. It's a real shame for her as she has been shielding due to asthma. Now she says she too will stay home.
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Some believe that any mask is better than none :-\
NHS should be supplying what is safe to wear!
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Some believe that any mask is better than none :-\
NHS should be supplying what is safe to wear!
Do you think the NHS can afford it CLKD? Wouldn't you than say it was a waste of funds & that it is up to the individual to supply there own if they did do that?
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Yes Franny, that is a little better. I used a thin scarf on a train journey recently, but only coped by lowering it every few minutes. This make it poor protection at best. Luckily there was only one other person in the carriage.
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Shady I've got a sun hat someone bought me with a plastic front over it. Would they suffice as a covering and would that sort of thing be better for you or not? Xx
Thanks Teresa but I think I will stay mostly out of shops. I could probably get away with a quick dash in (with the scarf), so long as it's only a few minutes.
I'll stick to mail order and click and collect. However, I will be going to pub Gardens and maybe a restaurant, no mask need. ::)
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No Cazikens I don't think it a waste of money. No more than the other waste in the NHS which the public aren't aware of >:(. Also if the NHS supplied masks and took them back as clinical waste, they won't be going into landfill. They would also be approved as sufficient to help keep people safe.
Wearing a scarf is apparently fine. Though that idea might be altered by mid-night >:(. I found my scarf too warm :-\
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The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) says incorrect use of coverings – such as putting them on incorrectly, touching the face more than normal and reusing dirty ones – could increase the spread of infection.
– What can I use as a face covering?
Face coverings are not the same as face masks. The Government has said coverings can be made from scarves, bandanas or other fabric items, as long as they cover the mouth and nose.
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No Cazikens I don't think it a waste of money. No more than the other waste in the NHS which the public aren't aware of >:(. Also if the NHS supplied masks and took them back as clinical waste, they won't be going into landfill. They would also be approved as sufficient to help keep people safe.
OK but do you think people would bother to take them back? & how much would it cost the NHS to get them put through the clinical waste system? What you're suggesting will add to the "other waste in the NHS which the public aren't aware of".
I know you use to work in the NHS years ago but things are a lot different nowadays. I cannot understand your dissatisfaction with our NHS.
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Just seen an expert on BBC News channel, who advises WHO on the use of face masks.
He said that the evidence is still inconclusive as to there effectiveness as different trials have produced different results.
He also said that although he supports their introduction, they will only be of benefit it they are the right sort and worn properly. He didn't think that at the moment people were doing this, and a lot more education was needed for them to be safe and effective.
(I also posted this on the Coronavirus thread)
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:thankyou: Shadyglade
I would like the government to encourage people to dispose of gloves/masks appropriately. There4 if the choice of the NHS taking them for disposal as clinical waste, it will cut back on some getting into landfill.
I am not dis-satisfied with NHS but with the government of the day.
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How do people cope wearing glasses and a mask? Tried at home and every time I breathed my glasses misted over. Stop breathing? :o
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That's one way to make sure you don't catch it ;). I've been using one of those disposable masks you get for DIY which has a strip of metal over the bridge of the nose which you can bend to fit your face. Stops sawdust in the lungs but presumably just as useless as any other cloth/paper mask at keeping the virus out.
There's no need for much to go to landfill, just wait 3 days and reuse. Marigolds instead of latex gloves (only don't use them for pushing an anal prolapse back in, I don't fancy using them for shopping now...)
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Bet B&Q will be out of all types of masks this week end ;)
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I don't like the feel of silk :-\ nor the way that it is produced :'(
I think the electric prod is the way to go ;-)
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:thankyou: Shadyglade
I would like the government to encourage people to dispose of gloves/masks appropriately. There4 if the choice of the NHS taking them for disposal as clinical waste, it will cut back on some getting into landfill.
I am not dis-satisfied with NHS but with the government of the day.
I am particularly annoyed by the litterbugs dropping them in the street as they leave a station or shop. I have seen masks and gloves. Not a lot but there shouldn't be any at all.
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There was a piece on the radio about discarded masks and gloves.
Apparently they are regarded as hazardous waste (because of the virus contamination potential) and are a growing problem. It seems not all mask wearers are altruistic. :(
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I haven’t tried a disposable mask. My daughter struggled with the disposable ones, as they aggravate her asthma, but copes with material ones. She thinks it’s because of chemicals in the materials used. To be honest, wearing a mask isn’t an issue as I’m shielding still. I’m shopping from my settee!
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Hello ladies.
When I wore my material mask I found the wire nose fitting a bit too snug. I moved the mask further up my face which created some space either side of my nose and it was much more comfortable and easier to breathe.
To stop my sunglasses steaming up I smeared a little liquid soap on the lens then wiped it with a dry cloth and this seemed to work.
I saw an old man stop and pick up a discarded surgical mask from the pavement yesterday which is one way of recycling the mask!
I know people who have breathing problems and are not be able to tolerate a mask so I think those of us who can wear a mask should.
Wishing you well ladies.
K.
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Hello ladies.
When I wore my material mask I found the wire nose fitting a bit too snug. I moved the mask further up my face which created some space either side of my nose and it was much more comfortable and easier to breathe.
To stop my sunglasses steaming up I smeared a little liquid soap on the lens then wiped it with a dry cloth and this seemed to work.
I saw an old man stop and pick up a discarded surgical mask from the pavement yesterday which is one way of recycling the mask!
I know people who have breathing problems and are not be able to tolerate a mask so I think those of us who can wear a mask should.
Wishing you well ladies.
K.
Oh no Kathleen, a discarded mask may well be contaminated and should not be reused by another person.
They are not even supposed to be but into street waste bins, but should be taken home and put safely in a general waste dustbin.
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I used mine today. Once it was tightened correctly it didn't feel too bad. Also my glasses didn't steam up when it was pulled properly. It will wash easily so I need to buy more like it.
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Hello ladies.
When I wore my material mask I found the wire nose fitting a bit too snug. I moved the mask further up my face which created some space either side of my nose and it was much more comfortable and easier to breathe.
To stop my sunglasses steaming up I smeared a little liquid soap on the lens then wiped it with a dry cloth and this seemed to work.
I saw an old man stop and pick up a discarded surgical mask from the pavement yesterday which is one way of recycling the mask!
I know people who have breathing problems and are not be able to tolerate a mask so I think those of us who can wear a mask should.
Wishing you well ladies.
K.
Oh no Kathleen, a discarded mask may well be contaminated and should not be reused by another person.
They are not even supposed to be but into street waste bins, but should be taken home and put safely in a general waste dustbin.
Perhaps he was intending to do that and was making his own small contribution. I sometimes pick up litter but don't fancy collecting a possibly contaminated mask.
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Here is the official government instructions concerning face coverings.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own
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Has anyone tried an FFP3 (virus proof) mask like these? Is it difficult to breathe through them?
https://www.ukmeds.co.uk/hygiene-face-mask-ffp3-n95
It's disposable but I was planning to use it again having left it 3 days for any virus to die.
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What R they designed for initially? A wipe down with meths and leave to dry? They look fairly heavy duty.
I bought 2 more cloth 1s this morning.
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Ive bought a pack of three masks from Boots because they were small - medium size and I thought theyd be a better fit. They are quite a good fit but I have put little darts in under the chin part and they are a much better. I will need them when I travel next month, I dont have to use them here.
I watched the F1 on the weekend, the drivers and presenters constantly adjusted their masks, any virus droplets would be spread on their fingers to anything they touch, In my opinion they were useless and I would expect a better design from these hi tech teams, they all had logos on them but they didnt fit ???
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Same with MotoGP - the racers did their interviews maskless but they are R in the bubble and are tested every day. Temps in the morning and throat swabs at night.
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Leeds United defend open-top bus celebration after stay home plea - but people didn't. Stay at home :-\. Nor did they social distance and not many wore masks. Where is Leeds Management in this, why not have a good celebration when life is safer?
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Might have to wear them for a year :o
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Oh no what a depressing thought.
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Might have to wear them for a year :o
Oh beam me up Scottie.::)
Went to Waitrose, this morning, to collect my food order. Never seen it so quiet on a Saturday morning. Car park only a quarter full and no queue.
Looks like wear a mask has put off a lot of people.
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It is what it is.
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I didn't remind DH to take his to the village shop so he went in, picked a new one up to wear ...... which are stored by the Tills ::) ....... did his shop then paid .
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Hello ladies
The most comfortable mask I have is one made from linen rather than cotton. Perhaps anyone struggling to wear a homemade mask would find a linen one bearable.
Take care ladies.
K.
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If you note someone not wearing a mask in a public place please look to see whether they are wearing a lanyard - there is a specific colour that determines that the user has a hidden disability.
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I think the lanyards for people who don't have to wear a mask have sunflowers on them.
Taz x
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Tnx. I wonder if charities should make the public more aware?
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I think the lanyards for people who don't have to wear a mask have sunflowers on them.
Taz x
Unfortunately it doesn't mean they cannot be refused entry to a shop. Or be verbal abused.
That's why, although I could claim exemption, I chose not too. I can just about get away with a quick dash and grab, with a mask (about 5 mins is my upper limit). Otherwise I shop online. Also means going to galleries and museums, which I was really looking forward too, are out of the question.
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I think the lanyards for people who don't have to wear a mask have sunflowers on them.
Taz x
Unfortunately it doesn't mean they cannot be refused entry to a shop. Or be verbal abused.
That's why, although I could claim exemption, I chose not too. I can just about get away with a quick dash and grab, with a mask (about 5 mins is my upper limit). Otherwise I shop online. Also means going to galleries and museums, which I was really looking forward too, are out of the question.
I could tolerate it in a museum/gallery but wouldn't stay as long as previous visits. i think i would find it harder in a cinema and my enjoyment of the film would be reduced. I heard that people would be allowed to remove masks to eat popcorn etc. I never buy snacks in a cinema but this could encourage people to get fatter.....!
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I feel a bit uncomfortable about people having to mark themselves out with a lanyard about a health issue, to the general public.
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I feel a bit uncomfortable about people having to mark themselves out with a lanyard about a health issue, to the general public.
I know, life is getting weirder.
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1 way of social distancing: take your snake on the bus as a mask :-\
"While there is a small degree of interpretation that can be applied to this, we do not believe it extends to the use of snakeskin - especially when still attached to the snake."
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Yesterday was the first time I've had to wear a mask while shopping locally, it gets hot wearing it I dont know how people who wear them for work stay cool :o
Still hardly anyone using the hand gel on the way into the shops >:(
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Our surgery doesn't shout 'please use the gel on your way out' any more >:(
I lift my mask when necessary. Haven't seen anyone actually notice ;D
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It's horrible wearing them on public transport. I notice the MP' s in parliament are not interested in setting a good example and wearing masks. All a bit as I say not as I do for my liking.
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Yep. They apparently had a meeting a couple of weeks ago: 50 in a room that usually holds 25 :-\
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Yes I read that too.
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I feel a bit uncomfortable about people having to mark themselves out with a lanyard about a health issue, to the general public.
In Wales, they have said that people with exemptions do not have to wear one, but you need a letter from your GP to show to shop staff...and since you can't get GP appointments except for emergencies... Oh, you are also exempt if past abuse would make wearing one too traumatic...but again, you are required to explain your reason for non compliance to shop staff. Not sure why the government thinks it's a good idea for anyone who is too traumatised by abuse to wear a mask to be forced to tell total strangers about that abuse... Or why people will want to share their disabilities with supermarket staff either!
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Good point Dorothy. What's between my GP and myself is that - goes no further other than to those in the need to know category.
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Presumably it won't go into detail, I'd expect it just to say you have a medical exemption.
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Presumably it won't go into detail, I'd expect it just to say you have a medical exemption.
The advice says that if you are unable to get a letter from your GP, you can show shop staff the medication you are taking to prove your health condition!
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I wear an SOS Bracelet as I am a donor. Taking medication along is a good idea.
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I think gps have said they won't be writing exemption notes (which they would pry charge for). Exemption can be printed from the internet. Bus companies put them on line to print off.
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I think gps have said they won't be writing exemption notes (which they would pry charge for). Exemption can be printed from the internet. Bus companies put them on line to print off.
That's in England. Wales is different.
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Yes it will be.
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I think gps have said they won't be writing exemption notes (which they would pry charge for). Exemption can be printed from the internet. Bus companies put them on line to print off.
That's in England. Wales is different.
Different in that we are supposed to have GP exemption letters in Wales to be granted an exemption. But the same in that GPs aren't providing exemption letters. So basically, if you live in Wales and can't wear a mask, you are now under more rigid restrictions than you were during lockdown!
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That's terrible. What a mess everything is.
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I would suggest when challenged that they phone my GP Surgery to find out what exemption is in place ;-). Where does Patient Confidentiality and Data Protection come in all this, no one has a right to know my medical history :-\
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Made a mistake if wearing dangly earrings this morning, they dont work with my mask Im afraid of a tangle ???
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I couldn't find my ears earlier :-\ ......... then my glasses misted up >:(
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Glasses misting up with mask on is major problem for me too!! Wish there was something you could wipe on them to stop them misting. When I did scuba diving we used to spit in our diving masks to stop them misting up... not sure that would work here though ;D
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YUK - my glasses mist due to the mask not fitting correctly ::) but I'm not huffing over anyone as I don't get close to others.
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So Boris is touring the country and not using a mask very often - anyone know why he is allowed out and about but others can't meet !?!
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Great point clkd!
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He should stay in London >:(. He's had his break at Chequers with the new baby !! Get back to sorting the country, not sidling up to people ........
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I would suggest when challenged that they phone my GP Surgery to find out what exemption is in place ;-). Where does Patient Confidentiality and Data Protection come in all this, no one has a right to know my medical history :-\
I disagree. In the current situation I think we should have to prove if we're exempt and why by carrying documentation. Privacy is neither here nor there.
I can see your point, but my concern is what is done to protect that information. Have shop workers been trained in GDPR etc? If you have to show a prescription for a form of medication which makes it clear what condition you have (or, even worse, a letter from your GP saying that you are exempt from wearing a mask due to past sexual abuse), how do you know that this information isn't going to be shared around?
I find it quite scary how many vigilantes are out there, policing mask wearing. Someone was on our local community page yesterday, boasting how he'd 'challenged' two women in Tesco for not wearing masks and reduced them to tears. His justification was that 'if you're too sick to wear a mask, you shouldn't leave home at all'. Which is fine for some - my husband is able to do our shopping - but others don't have the luxury of someone else to run errands for them. And some people have already been shielding at home for 6 months - if they're expected to continue doing so much longer, there's a real risk they will be so institutionalized that they will never be able to rejoin normal society. And I find the lack of concern over that even more worrying - we seem to be turning into the kind of society that Hitler was trying to create - segregation of those who 'don't fit in' is the first step towards eliminating them.
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I wish we had a 'Like Button', Dorothy. :great:
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Dorothy, I agree with you 100 percent.
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That's a good response Dorothy :thankyou: I hope that the 2 women asked for CCTV to B shown to the Store Manager, but were probably too shocked. I hope 2 that the web manager will take the post down?
It's 1 to be aware of, we all need to respond when challenged "Call the Police then and I'll see you in Court!"
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I think the only way forward re masks is that anyone exempt from wearing one must be issued with some sort of card/badge etc. Sadly there are many people who refuse to wear a mask purely because they don't like being told what to do. If you are unablel to wear a mask due to a medical condition then it is totally unfair that you are put at risk by others who just choose to flout the rules.
Taz x
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I think everyone should wear a mask under the current situation, but I accept that many won't for various reasons. The most vulnerable (I'm one of them) should be given proper N-95 masks to protect themselves from people who don't want to or can't wear a mask. I think social, economic and political reasons should never be more important than preserving the life of those who feel vulnerable. There must be a middle ground. Humans are a highly adaptive species, let's use our brains to find new ways of living with this virus and all the others to come. Now is not the time for finger-pointing, nor to politicise the problem.
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Personally I am not convinced by the effectiveness of masks. If they really are affective why has countries like Spain, who have been wearing them for ages including outside, seen such an uptick in cases.
I read a piece by a surgeon who said that masks only cover the mouth and nose, leaving the eyes exposed which is also an entry point for the virus. Also it has always been believed that masks are useless against viruses, and the current change of opinion by WHO is based on very small case studies.
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Hi Shadyglade, there are masks and masks. Proper N-95 masks are effective, otherwise healthcare personnel would be all dead by now.
Comparing countries is not a good idea, really. Each country has its own epidemiological nuances and big ones have huge internal variability. Each country has to find its own way to tackle the situation.
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Hi Shadyglade, there are masks and masks. Proper N-95 masks are effective, otherwise healthcare personnel would be all dead by now.
Comparing countries is not a good idea, really. Each country has its own epidemiological nuances and big ones have huge internal variability. Each country has to find its own way to tackle the situation.
How many people wear N-95 masks. In fact we were told not to.
Sorry, but the more I find out the less convinced I am.
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:thankyou: Sage : living with the virus is going to be on-going for several years. A vacinne is unlikely to be found this side of New Year. Stick with the masks and distancing .......... we have adapted to other viruses across the years.
There are already lanyards for those who are exempt, I feel that these should be advertised on TV along with other advice churned out during the day as this is probably an unknown by the majority of the public. It isn't up to the public to call out those who aren't wearing them. The Police don't have enough personnel to check every village/town/city .........
After a Summer of isolating when Term began education centres should have had plans in place. Hopefully Uni students will remain on Campus and not be shipped home to recover ::)
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That's exactly what I meant by saying 'vulnerable people should be given N-95 masks'. The situation has evolved, there's no excuse now for mask shortages, all manufacturers had enough time to increase production. If you had an immune deficiency you would have to wear N-95 masks, so let's treat vulnerable people as potentially immune deficient for coronavirus until an effective vaccine is available. Simples.
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Thanks CLKD, but this is just my opinion and unfortunately opinions are nothing compared to facts. Until more facts are available we need to be cautious and do our best to preserve our health (mental health included).
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Also - no visitors to care homes, hospitals etc.? and no more sharing staff between same ?
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Tnx Franny . As for doing Courses on-line, :-\ that's a whole different subject.
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Personally I am not convinced by the effectiveness of masks. If they really are affective why has countries like Spain, who have been wearing them for ages including outside, seen such an uptick in cases.
I read a piece by a surgeon who said that masks only cover the mouth and nose, leaving the eyes exposed which is also an entry point for the virus. Also it has always been believed that masks are useless against viruses, and the current change of opinion by WHO is based on very small case studies.
I think masks would be more effective if they were used as well as distancing, handwashing etc. But I noticed in the weeks before mask-wearing became mandatory in Wales, that those wearing them were moving much closer to others than those who weren't. I've had people wearing masks physically pushing past me, sometimes while coughing! I'm not saying it's deliberate - I found when I wore a visor that I tended to move nearer to others unless I was very careful, so it seems that wearing something over the face may alter one's perception of distance.
"Masks plus 2 metres" would be more effective than "no masks plus 2 metres" - but perhaps "masks plus 1 metre or less" are less effective than "no masks plus 2 metres"?
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It's too optimistic to expect everyone to stick to the rules, even those who should know better. Cummings and Prof Furguson for example.
The virus knows nothing about rules, and will come and go whatever we do.
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I find too that with people I know I am more relaxed. I hate people who push in front at any time! I often wish that I could growl like a dog ;-).
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My husband is vulnerable and I wear p3 masks when I go shopping & out anywhere ( although I stay in most of the time) we have reusable and disposable ones. I've always got them in my car. I know people don't feel comfortable in them, i get really hot when I've been shopping, but i do it to protect people & myself. Some people, as said, just feel the law doesn't mean them! Personally, and it's just my opinion, I don't understand why people who can't wear masks don't wear a visor?? Is there a a condition that means you can't wear one? Its an honest question as I genuinely don't know. Then there's others who protect their chins :-\ . I have always worn a mask and will continue to do so, too many vulnerable people out there that need us to play our part as best we can to protect them.
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I've got two visors Penguin. Total waste of money. I don't know if it's because I wear varifocals but they distort my vision causing nausea.
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I've got two visors Penguin. Total waste of money. I don't know if it's because I wear varifocals but they distort my vision causing nausea.
I was using visors before mask-wearing became mandatory, and like you, I found they made me feel really sick (whether I wore them with my glasses or without). I think it's because you get mini reflections of everything on them, so it causes quite a lot of visual disturbance. I also found I 'fogged up' quite quickly if I had to speak to anyone. I found looking down as much as possible helped, and if I had to look up, picking a stationery object and keeping my gaze fixed on that as I walked towards it. I know they're not as effective as masks, but I felt that I was doing what I could. Now, I'd be too scared to go out without a mask around here because the level of hate against people who don't wear one is so strong. Which is sad - as I don't have contact with anyone except when doing essential errands, I'm probably much lower risk of transmitting the virus while wearing a visor than someone mask-wearing who's out in the pub every night!
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I read an interesting piece that stated if one wears a mask, it does not necessarily prevent contracting Covid, but the viral load is that much less and so the infection should be mild. They have found traces of Covid in the nasal cavaties of asymptomatic people who had contracted it whilst wearing a mask. So am hoping that mask wearing does serve a huge purpose, the article also stated that social distancing is more important than any of the other things recommended to prevent spread such as washing hands, not touching the face etc etc.
Regarding face shields they are useless in preventing contracing the virus unless they are worn with a mask as one can still inhale air through the sides and bottom of the mask. I purchased one which broke before I could even assemble it, very disappointing. :-\
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It's really difficult isn't it Dorothy.
I spent a lot of money on different so call 'easy breath' masks. Eventually I bought some from John Lewis, in a pack of 6. They are handmade fabric in different colours. At first they felt only slightly better than the others I had tried, but after several washes, they now fit much looser around the mouth and nose and breathing is considerably better.
I don't spend long in shops as, like you, masks are a problems for me as they cause anxiety. These new masks have extended the time I can spend in a shop and do make life easier.
I will send you the link.
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Does anyone else experience pain behind they're ears wearing a mask?
My left ear, or rather the bone behind, gets really painful then gives me a headache.
I've tried various things, but still no good. Thank god I don't have to wear one everyday, or for long amounts of time.
Hats off to anyone who wears them all day long, my son and OH for starters.
You can buy visors now with glasses frames attached. Keeps them in place, and you can buy them off amazon. Don't forget to take the protective polythene off first tho, or else they're blurry. Inside and out. x
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Boots do boxes of masks with soft loops for the ears, but they're the rather contentious disposable ones.
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Does anyone else experience pain behind they're ears wearing a mask?
My left ear, or rather the bone behind, gets really painful then gives me a headache.
I've tried various things, but still no good. Thank god I don't have to wear one everyday, or for long amounts of time.
Hats off to anyone who wears them all day long, my son and OH for starters.
You can buy visors now with glasses frames attached. Keeps them in place, and you can buy them off amazon. Don't forget to take the protective polythene off first tho, or else they're blurry. Inside and out. x
There no good if you already wear glasses though JD.
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It's really difficult isn't it Dorothy.
I spent a lot of money on different so call 'easy breath' masks. Eventually I bought some from John Lewis, in a pack of 6. They are handmade fabric in different colours. At first they felt only slightly better than the others I had tried, but after several washes, they now fit much looser around the mouth and nose and breathing is considerably better.
I don't spend long in shops as, like you, masks are a problems for me as they cause anxiety. These new masks have extended the time I can spend in a shop and do make life easier.
I will send you the link.
Yes, I hunted round for advice on which masks were easiest to breathe through and got 'try different types until you find one that works for you'. Which is all very well, but I don't have limitless money and the first two I tried were hopeless - couldn't keep them on for a minute! The one I'm trying now is better, but I can't seem to get beyond 4 minutes without so much chest pain/nausea that it has to come off. And I really need to be able to cope for 10 minutes for it to be any use - e.g. my OH loves going to NT gardens on his day off, and I'm happy to go with him as it's all outside and numbers are strictly controlled, so it's very safe. BUT, you have to wear a mask if you use the loo...
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I lift my cotton mask when there aren't people around to take a breath ;-). I find that I cope much better even if it means leaving an area to relax for a few moments.
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Jillydoll - I have masks where the straps go around the back of the head, not round the ears. I use the p3 type ( got mine from screwfix) . I've never used a visor and tbh i did wonder what if any good they do as they don't seal and are open. When i had my operation last week, the anaesthetist was saying that letters will be going out again for vulnerable people, looks like he's right as it seems to be going that way. I've said all along, the government will allow the school holidays for the economy, then when the kids go back to school we'll be back in lockdown!
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Hospitals should be up and running .......... that's what the Nightingales were for? We haven't heard much about PPE recently :-\
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Scotland's first minister has apologised for breaching Covid rules by taking her face mask off at a wake.
The Scottish Sun has published a photograph of Nicola Sturgeon standing talking to three people at a social distance, but with her face uncovered.
She was attending a wake after the funeral of a Scottish government civil servant who died with Covid.
Ms Sturgeon had been wearing a tartan mask and is said to have taken it off briefly as she was leaving the venue.
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Bump
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There are complaints about certain Health Authorities using C-19 as an excuse not to allow visitors to patients as well as limiting 1 parent for a child taken to A&E. WTF! Surely by now the public should be allowed back to see relatives etc.? What people don't realise is that with masks and regular hand washing, most of us are as safe as possible. Also, the public paid for hospitals so we should be allowed back, what are the NHS trying to hide?
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Perhaps they know more about the level of covid in the population than we do?
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Surely there’s an official government policy on this, which has been taken with the advice of experts. I understood that officially there’s no recommendation to stop visitors in hospitals anymore?
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It seems that many Health Authorities are ignoring Government suggestions about visitors. Parents took their child to an A&E and they weren't allowed in until the mother left, the father took the child in: the child had a badly bleeding leg having been cut by glass :-\. They tried to press for both to be present but were threatened with the Police.
?? Even if a Unit is short staffed, this is no way to treat worried people ??
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It absolutely isn’t. It seems absurd given anywhere else we can all go along as normal now. People are at big and small venues maskless so a hospital not allowing parents in with children is absurd and cruel. I wouldn’t get my ultrasound without my husband in the room the other day and they had to allow it. There are areas where the NHS has behaved appallingly during covid, including making women give birth and have scans alone well after the government had made it clear they were to let partners in.
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Hospitals aren't like other places, they're full of ill people for whom the vaccine may not be effective and may die if they catch it. How would you feel if your sick mother in hospital for cancer treatment caught covid and died from a visitor who didn't have to be there? Would you blame the hospital for her death?
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Covid is already in hospitals because that’s where patients sick with it go. It’s already there. I mean, don’t allow random people to visit cancer patients for sure. By that poor logic we can never allow any visitor in hospital again in case they have something that can kill a cancer patient. Hospitals should have adequate procedures so they don’t spread any life threatening illness, covid is but one and isn’t even the most dangerous.
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When cleaning teams belonged to the Hospital, in the years B4 the service was opted out, cleaners were confined to 1 Ward, lessening the risk of spread. Then some bright spark (not) >:( decided that it would be cheaper to use agencies who moved from who knows where between cleaning in hospitals?
When I was a secretary there were rarely 'bugs' around due to the above. MRSA and C.Diff were a huge problem once agencies were used >:(.
I believe that since Matrons were removed, women who 1 wouldn't argue with :o and who had charge of every Ward in a Hospital, standards over all have slipped, add to that, less Staff. Until Covid came along, these situations were pushed under the carpet.
Usually Staff treating patients with cancer will make suggestions as to who can visit, i.e. no children as well as anyone else not connected. My neighbour took her friend every day during her 5-6 months' of treatment, hygiene standards etc. were insisted upon. That was prior to the 1st lockdown.