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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: Jari on May 27, 2019, 08:28:47 AM
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Hi all,
Just wondered how others are reducing their plastics?
I've noticed over the last year or two, quite a few stores offering refill. I'm now refilling shampoo/conditioner/body wash, washing up liquid, laundry detergent, muesli, pasta, rice, nuts, coffee...
I'm finding for one, so much cheaper, but very satisfying to see my recycling go down massively.
I've written to big supermarkets to encourage them to start with refill stations, but until they do, I will keep using my local stores for refill.
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I'd love to do this Jari but don't know of anywhere locally offering refills. Whereabouts are you?x
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Waitrose suggest buyers take clean plastic tubs back for refilling of olives etc.. I have problems enough remembering the bags for Life ;D but in the 1970s it was normal - we went to the health food shop with clean 1lb jam jars to fill with peanut butter, sunflower oil etc..
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Jari, many of the ecover products seem to come in large plastic containers. Do you buy them like this or do you refill your own bottles? My closest one is 6 miles away so may not be so good for environment. We need the supermarkets to change but no sign of that here.
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If you read each Supermarket web-site you will find out which are rolling out re-cycling in this way ;-)
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Will definitely look into it. As an animal lover I find it very upsetting (and unacceptable) when I see pictures of them choking on plastic x
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It's so important to reduce our plastics. My nearest refill station is 18 miles away at the moment. I've tried Ecover products before but they didn't seem to work. :-\
Taz x
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I can't get on with 'ecover' either nor procducts that claim to clean at 30 ...... nope.
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I try to use Method products. Not quite as green as some others but a good middle ground option.
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Can I be controversial and say unless other countries are forced to cut down on plastic waste and greenhouse gasses, what the UK does won't make a difference.
I agree we live in a throw away society and don't understand why every cucumber is wrapped in plastic in the supermarket ??? But take your own box to collect deli items, sounds like a publicity stunt to me :-\ when supermarkets started charging for carrier bags they had signs saying that the 20p would be given to charity, where are the signs now, and is the 20p going into the till instead ?
I'd prefer if we were not penalised and taxed but rewarded for recycling, more carrot and less stick would be a nice change.
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I see where you are coming from. I have always said industry has to pull its weight more.
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Yep, I use supermarket bags, why shouldn't I - I've paid 10p for each one! Waitrose now, after years++ of my nagging ;D, put whole paper bags for bread etc.. Which I put onto our home compost. Many 'plastic' bags can be composted, including most of those around magazines, made of starch apparently. Waitrose have local green discs to put into charities promoted by locals. I rarely need to buy another bag for Life these days.
I won't stop using supermarkets nor will I stop bulk buying at cash and carry. Our local shop doesn't have everything that I need although they do a Very Good Job. Farm shops - my nearest is an 8-mile round trip: on a bike with spuds, I think not ;D. When I was young everything was delivered weekly by van: bread, fish, veg., meat and milk from the float every morning. Sat. we went to the main town 7 miles away to stock up on clothing, meat, veg from the local stalls. My Grandad was a baker who delivered every day after baking the bread.
I was warned that the 'method' way wasn't safe ;) :whist:
Cucumbers keep better when wrapped in plastic, it was shown on a programme recently. Can't remember the reasons, you're listening to a menopausal woman here :D and quite honestly, I won't be here by the end of the Century ;-).
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Your last sentence comes across as extremely selfish CLKD :-\
Taz x
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I do my best but it goes un-seen. I have recycled since God was a Lass, our family have made compost heaps for over 100 years ......... water was saved, it had to be, Gran wasn't on the mains until the late 1980s. Clothes were bought in jumble sales, passed through the family; toys were mended, repainted, passed through the family. Mum bought 'cut out and ready to sew' - anyone remember those ;D. Jumpers were knitted, pulled undone, washed, spun and re-knitted ......... rag rugs, ends of wool balls crocheted into blankets. Buttons were cut off clothes etc. and kept for the next home made garment.
According to those 'in the know' none of us will be here to worry about it ::)
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I am doing my best. See above. I remember years ago in the US, beef prices were high so the housewife stopped buying it. Came down eventually. So group pressure does work and Supermarkets are doing their best, on the back of people like Hugh Fearnley-W..
It also has to start at source, in the manufacturing industries but Greg Wallaces has done programmes about that too. Some brown paper bags have been coated inside which means that they can't be recycled ::)
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In Wales ALL bags have to be bought, plastic, paper, large or small, I think only loose meat can have a free bag :( I buy whole chickens sometimes and I'm not happy that the supermarket cannot place the already wrapped bird in another bag, to make sure it doesn't come into contact with the rest of my shopping >:(
If only my local town had a greengrocer, fishmonger or butcher, unfortunately it's now made up of charity shops, betting shops and empty premises. I don't have a farmers market near and only one very expensive farm shop 15 minute drive away.
I really miss not having a local buyers shop, the last in town in the market closed a couple of years ago. I don't eat much meat but they had lovely chicken portions and I always got my Christmas turkey there, the queue to pick up orders at Christmas was down the to the market entrance :)
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I agree Two Hoots. It's the same here. We do have a Sunday market though which sells good meat and vegetables. This whole thing is a nightmare re climate change and damage to the planet.
Taz x
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I do so much recycling, I check all wrapping like toilet roll, kitchen roll, bread packaging etc if they can be recycled with carrier bags I take them to Tesco for recycling. I used to live in Wales but even before carrier bag charge came in I was already using my own bags. Now I'm looking into buying small organic cotton mesh bags for fruit & veg instead of using single use plastic. I will do everything I can.
I do agree that every country needs to do the same UK is only a very small drop in the ocean.
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Oh poor turtles :'(
We have an OnYa ..... made from parachute material ;)
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Australian ;) - we've had our rucksack since the late 1980s. 'onyaback' and we really need more. DH put a stitch in it yesterday but it's done has well, parachute material never wears through.
I also have bags in various sizes for when we go round Charity shops for books etc.. Boxes we re-use to take books we have read to the Charity shop, they can put it onto the shelf and sort through when they have time.
Bamboo anyone: socks, bags, clothing ?
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Thanks Jari, will have a look later.
CKLD I have bamboo tights from Tesco they are fab and I love bamboo socks they are both really soft and wash really well.
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Jari I saw that advertised. Just had a look at the Turtle bags have got to get one of the short handled ones (I have long arms & get so annoyed with bags dragging on ground!!) just can't decide what colour to go for :)
If you find Tesco don't have any, keep an eye out in the autumn, think they sold really well.
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:thankyou: H F-W gets Things Done ;D.
Is bamboo 'pong free' too? As long as it isn't taking bamboo from the pandas ;) (depriving is the word I'm searching for)
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I have eaten a chocolate pudding in a plastic pot .... I had a good look along the shelves this morning but one isn't able to avoid similar packaging if 1 wants to buy products. As a recovering anorexic I have to eat B4 I'm hungry which means grabbing items sometimes - lots of food stuffs are wrapped in difficult to recycle packaging :-\
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Have you tried this brand? Not sure if they're in all supermarkets.
https://www.gupuds.com/
Love these but no good for my waistline.
I now make my own yoghurt (no sugar Greek), so no plastic pots. Good stuff and lasts for up until 2 weeks in the fridge.
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Trouble is, making glass is more expensive than making plastics. Also glass is heavier to transport than plastics are.
I eat gu occasionally.
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Dumped festival tents recycled into beach clean bags
Abandoned festival tents are being recycled into bags that can be used to collect rubbish on beaches.
Martin Dorey has collected tents from the Leopollooza festival in Bude, Cornwall, and is using them to help in the fight against plastic pollution.
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Fishermen in Spain, are collecting more plastics from the sea than ever before!
They send them to be made into high end clothes and bags! Good idea...
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Yep!
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Definitely a good idea to both of those
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Macdonalds have problems with their paper straws - they 'melt' whilst being used, I could have told them that!!! so going from plastic (recyclable) to paper (soggy) now they are trialling some other type of cardboard straws: which can't be recycled ::)
Why don't we drink from a cup ;D
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Absolutely!!! Just ditch the straws!! Cave men coped alright I'm sure. 😉
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;). love it.
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My son constantly complained about their paper straws. Someone told me why they can't use the lids that they use on hot drinks.
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When I was much much younger, straws were something you drank with when having a special drink like a milk shake or ice cream soda. It makes me smile to myself that there is so much uproar over dissolving straws from McDs. It must be a generation thing. Good for McDs for at least trying to resolve this issue.
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You're my age then Krystal :D ......... milk shakes were a treat when we 'went out' ::)
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Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has suggested people should "poop every other day" as a way to save the planet.
His comment came in answer to a journalist who asked him how to combine agricultural development and protecting the environment.
Mr Bolsonaro recently came under fire after official data showed an increase in deforestation in the Amazon. He then sacked the head of the agency that reported the increase, accusing it of lying about the problem's scale.
Mr Bolsonaro's comment came after the journalist quoted reports saying deforestation and agriculture were responsible for a quarter of the planet's greenhouse effect.
"It's enough to eat a little less. You talk about environmental pollution. It's enough to poop every other day. That will be better for the whole world," he said.
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Hundreds of tents left behind at a Cumbrian music festival have been given to migrants in France.
Carlisle Refugee Action Group collected the unwanted items after Kendal Calling and volunteers travelled to Calais and Dunkirk to distribute them.
The organisation's James Cartwright said it was "great" they were not going to be thrown away.
About 30,000 people attended the four-day event at Lowther Deer Park, Penrith, at the end of July.
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Great they are being put to good use, but it just amazes me that people are still so ignorant and just leave them behind, knowing the troubles with our planet. Unbelievable.
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Shows our throw away society again. A £20 tent won't last more than a few times anyway. If they only sold better quality ones for £200 not only would they last but it's too much money for most people to throw away. And they shouldn't be encouraging illegal immigrants either. I sound old...
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These are going to migrants!! not immigrants who 4 various reasons are living at Calais. Does it matter - the UK is built on foreign intake, some in WWII escaping from the Jews :-\ :'(
Of course, In My Day 1 would have £20 to spend on a tent anyway and if I did, it certainly wouldn't be thrown!!
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These are going to migrants!! not immigrants who 4 various reasons are living at Calais. Does it matter - the UK is built on foreign intake, some in WWII escaping from the Jews :-\ :'(
Of course, In My Day 1 would have £20 to spend on a tent anyway and if I did, it certainly wouldn't be thrown!!
Well said CLKD. I doubt if a £20 tent would encourage anyone to make such a perilous journey anyway.
News has just come through of the first confirmed drowning of a migrant in the Channel. A woman.
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:thankyou:
We need to forget that most people trying to get here are not ruffians. Many are trying to escape tyranny. Walk a mile in my shoes etc.. Of course in all societies there will be law breakers: in our village it seems to be people who drive 60+mph in a 30mph area. Some have been caught on camera 3-4 times :o but apart from a letter through their box, nowt can be done as they are caught on cameras run by our local speed team not the Police.
On wet nights I think of those in box city - not far from us actually. A few weeks ago the local homelsss charity had a sleep-out campaign. I do my bit by handing over stuff ........ as long as the tents are used and not put into landfill ! it helps someone short term ;)
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OK perhaps I used the wrong words. The tents are going to people who are potentially illegal economic migrants. I didn't say or imply they were ruffians. The few fleeing tyranny can legitimately claim asylum in the first safe country they get to - and France is a safe country. We all know they are camped at the French ports in order to make illegal entry to the UK. The more the charities help them more will come and more bodies will be found floating in the Channel. Encouraging someone to put their life in danger isn't my idea of charity. Helping them make a better life in their own country is.
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We haven't had a body in the Channel yet. It was what the rescuers were told, that a woman fell in. But it could be a scam, without a body ......
Hopefully once Halloween is over we will be able to secure our Borders. Until then, people will get here because the UK is seen as an easy stop. It's up to France to send those not applying for asylum back to whence they came and France often isn't the 1st country people reach but they push on through - ..........
At least the tents are being used. Autumn will bring colder weather and people should be treated with dignity.
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Great they are being put to good use, but it just amazes me that people are still so ignorant and just leave them behind, knowing the troubles with our planet. Unbelievable.
Some festivals encourage people who don't want their tents to leave them in special areas so that they can be donated to good use - if packed up properly so that is so much better than leaving them erected.
Shows our throw away society again. A £20 tent won't last more than a few times anyway. If they only sold better quality ones for £200 not only would they last but it's too much money for most people to throw away.
I agree that we should to be producing such things as cheap low quality festival tents and festival packages - the whole thing is a huge wasteful money-making industry with no thought for the planet so yiung people are encouraged to spend as little as possible for a single use tent and equipment. I love festivals and going to them but everyone should be more responsible these days....
OK perhaps I used the wrong words. The tents are going to people who are potentially illegal economic migrants. I didn't say or imply they were ruffians. The few fleeing tyranny can legitimately claim asylum in the first safe country they get to - and France is a safe country. We all know they are camped at the French ports in order to make illegal entry to the UK. The more the charities help them more will come and more bodies will be found floating in the Channel. Encouraging someone to put their life in danger isn't my idea of charity. Helping them make a better life in their own country is.
I agree that we should help people and governments to improve services and quality of life where standards fall short of what we deem to be necessary - starting with the basics of clean water and sanitation!
However we are extremely lucky by accident of birth to have been born and the majority of us raised in such an affluent part of the world with minimal conflict and I don't blame anyone for wanting to have a slice of what we have, as improvement in their own countries may take years.
"Autumn will bring colder weather and people should be treated with dignity." Quite so CLKD
Hurdity x
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Tents can be used more than once if properly cared for ;)
I wouldn't go to a Festival unless in our camper these days ;D
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We haven't had a body in the Channel yet. It was what the rescuers were told, that a woman fell in. But it could be a scam, without a body ......
Hopefully once Halloween is over we will be able to secure our Borders.
Don't know what sort of scam that would be :-\
Also how will we be able to secure our Borders any different to now. Witches spell perhaps.??
If anything they will be less secure as migrants will still be getting into boats, and probably getting through due to increased chaos. ::)
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Tents can be used more than once if properly cared for ;)
I wouldn't go to a Festival unless in our camper these days ;D
Next year then CLKD - Cropredy in your camper :D
Taz x
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You'd think the organisers would keep all the tents nicely, set them up and put them away each year and charge a rental for the nights of use...
Wish they'd do that instead and stop all the trashing tents in fields.
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Too expensive Taz ;D and it starts on Thursdays ....... it was 40 years this last weekend and they had wind, more wind, rain ::)
Did Frank have a good weekend?
What we need regarding borders is more Police etc.. Which is what we can regain control of instead of Europe telling us not to patrol as
closely >:(. When we travelled in the 1960s and 1980s there was security .......
I thought in the early hours: those plastic tents could be used on allotments to smother weeds ;)
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What we need regarding borders is more Police etc.. Which is what we can regain control of instead of Europe telling us not to patrol as
closely >:(. When we travelled in the 1960s and 1980s there was security .......
When have they said that. I don't understand??? There is an enormous amount of security, at the ports and in the Channel, due to Terror risks. It's much greater than in the 1960s and 1980s.!!
Current estimates is that it will take 2 years to have enough boarder staff. That is nothing to do with the police. If you lived in my area you would have seen the almost daily updates on TV on what is happening in the Channel so I am mystified by what you mean.
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Greta Thunberg: Climate change activist sets sail from Plymouth - wouldn't it have been better to take part in the Conference by Skip?
She claims to be going 'green' across the Ocean - she probably will be by the time she reaches the US ;D. She doesn't seem to have taken into account how the fibre-glass ocean-going yacht was made. It is solar powered and apprently gives out no emissions. Unless someone farts? Or throws up overboard and where will the slop bucket be thrown .........
They will be eating ? Probably freeze dried foods? which take energy to grow, harvest, prepare for cooking etc.. She doesn't seem to realise that she isn't being carbon neutral ............
How did she get to Plymouth :-\
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But much less of a hypocritic than everyone else who's flown there!
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She is raising awareness. But isn't following through - why not Skype?
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I thought she was just an anonymous kid from the suburbs. Turns out she has very high profile famous parents.
I support what she says but for some reason I find her extremely irritating.
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I thought she was just an anonymous kid from the suburbs. Turns out she has very high profile famous parents.
I support what she says but for some reason I find her extremely irritating.
Have you seen Arron Banks' comments? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/15/arron-banks-jokes-about-greta-thunberg-and-freak-yachting-accidents?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZGF5cy0xOTA4MTU%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&CMP=GTUK_email
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I thought she was just an anonymous kid from the suburbs. Turns out she has very high profile famous parents.
I support what she says but for some reason I find her extremely irritating.
Have you seen Arron Banks' comments? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/15/arron-banks-jokes-about-greta-thunberg-and-freak-yachting-accidents?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZGF5cy0xOTA4MTU%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&CMP=GTUK_email
Oh, why am I not surprised ::)
Says a lot about the character of Mr. Banks >:(
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Too expensive Taz ;D and it starts on Thursdays ....... it was 40 years this last weekend and they had wind, more wind, rain ::)
Did Frank have a good weekend?
Do you have a ban on listening to music on Thursdays? ;D Yes Frank had a good Friday there. He's played Italy, Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium since then though so it's probably a distant memory now.
Taz x
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Too much music in too short a time!
We went to Bird Fair yesterday and Simon King used the event to push eating less meat and having less children >:(. I feel a letter coming on ;D
Lots of Companies have camp sets up for visitors: MotoGP, F1, Glastonbury ........... some Events also have those pod things ...... which are erected as 'temporary buildings' but stay on site for years ::)
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I was tipping laundry powder into a larger box last week - because the boxes are double cardboard a lot is left in the gap so as I shook it, I got enough for a complete load! The same with dish washer powder boxes, there's enough for a load in the gaps between the cardboard.
So I always shake the boxes gently into a bowl to collect any 'wastage' which a) can be used and b) won't go into landfill to pollute nature. C) I'm saving a little bit of money for 'Maltesers' ;-).
Today we saw a group protesting about 'climate' but they had a dog with them. So buying cans/bags of food etc. which take electricity to produce; plastic bags to scoop the poop; Vet bills, bet they don't refuse treatment for their pet; which will have been produced in factories and will take electricity etc. to administer .......... :-\ . We wondered how many had cycled/walked to town but hadn't time to be bothered to ask. Too busy enjoying the :sunny: ourselves ;-)
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Now people have glued themselves to a motorway :o. OK everyone - PULL ;D
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Yep. Right from the start. Now apparently she is on the autistic spectrum.
How can UK children be allowed out of School to protest but when parents take them on holiday in Term Time :-\ >:(
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My S1 daughter was strongly advised to go on Fridays strike by the older pupils who were organising it.
I feel they would have been better having an Eco day and learning in class how to actively make a difference.
Most of the kids who went on the strike looked like they just wanted to bunk off and were scoffing crisps
and juice and leaving the litter behind at their ' protest' site. The kids that didn't want to miss lessons
just watched videos and did drawing for the morning.
I think Greta need a call to action to follow up her words. You have our attention Gretta, now tell us specifically
what to do.
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So many people in high profile are jumping on the media band-wagon and quoting stuff that is quite frankly, rubbish >:(. Because it's in the media doesn't make it true. As for carbon off-set, it isn't possible!
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Greta is genuine but annoying.
My son tells me her parents are involved with some eco PR company and are making money out of Gretas activities. Nothing is exactly as it seems and call me an old cynic but I think Greta is being exploited.
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Yep. Apparently there was a film made whilst she travelled on that yacht to the US ::)
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;D not so much of the old ;D
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In her own words from her facebook page (Great Thunberg):
"Recently I've seen many rumors circulating about me and enormous amounts of hate. This is no surprise to me. I know that since most people are not aware of the full meaning of the climate crisis (which is understandable since it has never been treated as a crisis) a school strike for the climate would seem very strange to people in general.
So let me make some things clear about my school strike.
In may 2018 I was one of the winners in a writing competition about the environment held by Svenska Dagbladet, a Swedish newspaper. I got my article published and some people contacted me, among others was Bo Thorén from Fossil Free Dalsland. He had some kind of group with people, especially youth, who wanted to do something about the climate crisis.
I had a few phone meetings with other activists. The purpose was to come up with ideas of new projects that would bring attention to the climate crisis. Bo had a few ideas of things we could do. Everything from marches to a loose idea of some kind of a school strike (that school children would do something on the schoolyards or in the classrooms). That idea was inspired by the Parkland Students, who had refused to go to school after the school shootings.
I liked the idea of a school strike. So I developed that idea and tried to get the other young people to join me, but no one was really interested. They thought that a Swedish version of the Zero Hour march was going to have a bigger impact. So I went on planning the school strike all by myself and after that I didn't participate in any more meetings.
When I told my parents about my plans they weren't very fond of it. They did not support the idea of school striking and they said that if I were to do this I would have to do it completely by myself and with no support from them.
On the 20 of august I sat down outside the Swedish Parliament. I handed out fliers with a long list of facts about the climate crisis and explanations on why I was striking. The first thing I did was to post on Twitter and Instagram what I was doing and it soon went viral. Then journalists and newspapers started to come. A Swedish entrepreneur and business man active in the climate movement, Ingmar Rentzhog, was among the first to arrive. He spoke with me and took pictures that he posted on Facebook. That was the first time I had ever met or spoken with him. I had not communicated or encountered with him ever before.
Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people â€behind me†or that I'm being â€paid†or â€used†to do what I'm doing. But there is no one â€behind†me except for myself. My parents were as far from climate activists as possible before I made them aware of the situation.
I am not part of any organization. I sometimes support and cooperate with several NGOs that work with the climate and environment. But I am absolutely independent and I only represent myself. And I do what I do completely for free, I have not received any money or any promise of future payments in any form at all. And nor has anyone linked to me or my family done so.
And of course it will stay this way. I have not met one single climate activist who is fighting for the climate for money. That idea is completely absurd.
Furthermore I only travel with permission from my school and my parents pay for tickets and accommodations.
My family has written a book together about our family and how me and my sister Beata have influenced my parents way of thinking and seeing the world, especially when it comes to the climate. And about our diagnoses.
That book was due to be released in May. But since there was a major disagreement with the book company, we ended up changing to a new publisher and so the book was released in august instead.
Before the book was released my parents made it clear that their possible profits from the book â€Scener ur hjärtat†will be going to 8 different charities working with environment, children with diagnoses and animal rights.
And yes, I write my own speeches. But since I know that what I say is going to reach many, many people I often ask for input. I also have a few scientists that I frequently ask for help on how to express certain complicated matters. I want everything to be absolutely correct so that I don't spread incorrect facts, or things that can be misunderstood.
Some people mock me for my diagnosis. But Asperger is not a disease, it's a gift. People also say that since I have Asperger I couldn't possibly have put myself in this position. But that's exactly why I did this. Because if I would have been â€normal†and social I would have organized myself in an organisation, or started an organisation by myself. But since I am not that good at socializing I did this instead. I was so frustrated that nothing was being done about the climate crisis and I felt like I had to do something, anything. And sometimes NOT doing things - like just sitting down outside the parliament - speaks much louder than doing things. Just like a whisper sometimes is louder than shouting.
Also there is one complaint that I â€sound and write like an adultâ€. And to that I can only say; don't you think that a 16-year old can speak for herself? There's also some people who say that I oversimplify things. For example when I say that "the climate crisis is a black and white issueâ€, â€we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases†and â€I want you to panicâ€. But that I only say because it's true. Yes, the climate crisis is the most complex issue that we have ever faced and it's going to take everything from our part to â€stop itâ€. But the solution is black and white; we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases.
Because either we limit the warming to 1,5 degrees C over pre industrial levels, or we don't. Either we reach a tipping point where we start a chain reaction with events way beyond human control, or we don't. Either we go on as a civilization, or we don't. There are no gray areas when it comes to survival.
And when I say that I want you to panic I mean that we need to treat the crisis as a crisis. When your house is on fire you don't sit down and talk about how nice you can rebuild it once you put out the fire. If your house is on fire you run outside and make sure that everyone is out while you call the fire department. That requires some level of panic.
There is one other argument that I can't do anything about. And that is the fact that I'm â€just a child and we shouldn't be listening to children.†But that is easily fixed - just start to listen to the rock solid science instead. Because if everyone listened to the scientists and the facts that I constantly refer to - then no one would have to listen to me or any of the other hundreds of thousands of school children on strike for the climate across the world. Then we could all go back to school.
I am just a messenger, and yet I get all this hate. I am not saying anything new, I am just saying what scientists have repeatedly said for decades. And I agree with you, I'm too young to do this. We children shouldn't have to do this. But since almost no one is doing anything, and our very future is at risk, we feel like we have to continue.
And if you have any other concern or doubt about me, then you can listen to my TED talk ( https://www.ted.com/…/greta_thunberg_the_disarming_…/up-next ), in which I talk about how my interest for the climate and environment began.
And thank you everyone for you kind support! It brings me hope.
/Greta
Ps I was briefly a youth advisor for the board of the non profit foundation “We don't have timeâ€. It turns out they used my name as part of another branch of their organisation that is a start up business. They have admitted clearly that they did so without the knowledge of me or my family. I no longer have any connection to “We don't have timeâ€. Nor has anyone in my family. They have deeply apologised and I have accepted their apology."
Hurdity x
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:thankyou:
She is being used. But at 16 she has all the time in the World to learn that one should't rely on reports etc.; 1 has to see who funds them and how much actual correct information there is.
Simon King recently started to sprout on about what he had read from the papers. When we got home DH looked at the actualities of his statements and found a lot of untruths or improbabilities - so Simon had picked up what he believed to be true ::) and so it becomes 'real'.
Interesting that Greta didn't mention the film that was being made whilst she was yachting across the Ocean.
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The post was written in Feb - so isn't up to the minute but deals with some of the issues mentioned.
If her name as a figurehead for the issue, is being used to rally other people by other organisations - this does not mean that she is not genuine, and of course other people and organisations will jump on her bandwagon - sometimes to make money yes - but mainly for added publicity - but what a worthwhile bandwagon eh?
Hurdity x
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Hopefully yes. Long term. Watching the news from the Alps where a glacier is about to break up ........
Information needs to be factual and much of it isn't, take off setting for example. Virtually impossible to do :-\.
People don't go back to basics: i.e. what it takes to make one vehicle in the way of building, sourcing materials, carrying materials etc..
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:rofl: Your Majesty - do you have an Aide to do it for you ;)
The glacier is Mont Blanc :o ....... wouldn't want to live below that when it calves :-X
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Bit of satire....will poston youtube thread another day :yes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yzAs1Vwbns
Hurdity x
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The post was written in Feb - so isn't up to the minute but deals with some of the issues mentioned.
If her name as a figurehead for the issue, is being used to rally other people by other organisations - this does not mean that she is not genuine, and of course other people and organisations will jump on her bandwagon - sometimes to make money yes - but mainly for added publicity - but what a worthwhile bandwagon eh?
Hurdity x
Sorry but I stand by what I said.
She is a vulnerable 16 year old with Aspergers. She suffers with depression and has had two bouts of anorexia.
Her parents are verging on abuse, in my opinion.
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I tend to agree. She sounds so reasonable in her Facebook post but she was so wound up during her recent speech it made me wonder who was pulling her strings. I agree with her message but I find her irritating too.
And no-one dares mention the elephant in room - there are just too many people and if we're going to save the planet it will have to change (though probably not til it's too late).
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Her demeanour during that last speech troubled me - my immediate reaction was she's being used or abused.
Bit of both I think.
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I find it very difficult to watch her speak, I have a nearly 16 year old daughter who has had some mental health issues and when I read that this young lady has had too it has made me very concerned.
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We are far too far down the line to do much Wolrd wide so ew need our Councils to help more with recycling. When I see that 1 of the largest recycling companies: BIFFA : have been fined £Ks due to shipping used sanitary wear etc. to China which was turned back :-\
Well it ain't free to ship it. It ain't green to return it :-\ lots of it should be burnt but the 'not in my back yard' mentality remains. We have anorebic digesters local due to farm diversification; as well as a huge recycling site but our Council - who shared that particular site - have had to stop as they are Bankrupt :-\
So our rubbish all be carted much further.
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Waste management giant Biffa has been fined £350,000 for trying to send household rubbish to China as paper fit for recycling.
The bales being shipped from Felixstowe port in Suffolk contained nappies, wet wipes and condoms, inspectors found.
Biffa Waste Services was convicted in June of two counts of breaching waste transportation laws in 2015 following a trial at Wood Green Crown Court.
It must pay costs of £240,000 and a £9,912 confiscation order.
After the hearing, the company said it would seek to appeal against the verdict.
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Our council has just extended its recycling collections. We have a garden bin (£50 a year charge, previously free), box for paper and cardboard, bin for plastic, metal and glass, a food waste bin and a general non recyclable bin. In addition, on alternate weeks, they will collect one small bag of clothes and one of batteries and small electricals.
Complicated but comprehensive.
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We have a green bin for garden rubbish: weeds, cuttings and on the same day is collected a blue bin for recycling [coke bottles, laundry boxes/bottles, beer bottles/tops, small cardboard bits, newspapers, non-glitter C.mas cards, envelopes with plastic windows. silver foil]
Black bin on the other weeks for un-recyclable stuff
Batteries can be hung in a plastic ::) bag weekly but I take mine to shops that sell batteries. Our village shop tried to stop accepting them but found that they were breaking the Law - if 1 sells batteries, one has to collect them.
Grey small bin for food waste every week which I think is burnt for power
All free
Council charges £10.00 pick up for 3 small electrical items. Council tip 4 miles away.
1 can pay £35.00 per year for extra green bin and certainly a couple of times a year we require one. Even though we don't have a lawn.
Where Mum lives it's a brown bin for garden rubbish which I think she pays for
Green for recycling - free but they don't take everything that we can put in so we bring it home ::)
Black for household stuff - free and they can put rags in it - we can't, I take our rags to charity because they can get them weighed in for money
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We have grey bin for newspapers bottles (of which have plenty) glass and recyclable plastics etc
Green bin for normal household waste
And a brown bin for garden waste ( but we do have pay this I have no idea how much it's costs as DH pays for it )
Feel very sad for climate change girl feel she is being used (shame on those involved)
Lanzalover x
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We have the best council in England for recycling! I barely throw anything away.
We have a green bin for everyday rubbish
Blue bin for recycling - paper, card, plastic, tetrapak, tin foil
Brown bin for garden waste & food waste
Then I take carrier bags to Tesco to be recycled - I check all bags like loo roll packaging, bread bags etc as these can usually be recycled
All old clothes go to Yorkshire Air ambulance or if they can be worn again to charity shops
Batteries to supermarket recycling bin
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I see that the increasing use of soya is being linked to deforestation. It raises the question as to whether the push to eat less meat will really help the ecosystem at all. Food production is an extremely complex subject, in relation to the environment and food shortages.
Time for a rethink maybe??
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Definitely. No global warming when the plains of America were swarming with buffalo, that only started when we burned fossil fuels. Imo meat eating was a convenient scapegoat so we didn't have to reduce air travel, cars, gas heating etc etc. How did they get people to believe that locally produced grass fed meat was worse for the environment than imported soya and avocado's? Walk across a grazed field and you find different plants, bugs and small mammals. Walk across a field of corn or veg that's been sprayed 3 times and there's little biodiversity.
Though if the beef you eat was grown on cleared amazon rain forest absolutely it's bad.
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We need to get back to seasonal eating! and buying from farm shops even if it's more expensive. There is a new deli/butchers in Buckingham that we happened upon today :-* all newly stripped out and 3 small cottages taken over to form one large shop. Brightly lit. Next time we drive that way we will take a list! They also do freshly cooked breakfast ;-)
What's with important lamb - probably - imported even ::) - from New Zealand :-\ and beef from Argentina ......... I would miss bananas though :-\
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Also - how did protestors get into main streets of London with a fire engine intent on causing damage to a historic building. That'll get people on side then. Not. Shows that our security isn't all it's thought to be!!!
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I try my best to recycle and not use plastics but when you look at the amount of plastic waste in countries like India it seems we are fighting a losing battle. Pictures of rivers like the Ganges are absolutely full of miles and miles of floating plastic waste and I could never visit there for that reason. It makes me feel absolutely sick. I organised a local Litter group for about 5 years and we went out once a fortnight on Sunday mornings and collected litter in the roads and lanes so it's something I feel strongly about.
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A lot of litter comes from vehicles. I think people think they can get away with it and it's just disgusting. As for children, they are treated like little prince's and princesses these days. If you dare to chastise them for dropping litter, you just get a load of foul language.
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Lamb from New Zealand - in the dim and distant past it made sense as our lamb was seasonal. For many years now our lamb has been available year round so now we export a third of our lamb crop to Europe while we import it from half way round the world.
We export big red apples to Europe whilst importing smaller red apples. There are crops we can't grow here but for food we can produce why can't we just eat what we produce?
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We do, but there is not enough of it.
Have you been watching the program on the BBC about food imports and exports? I've only seen some of it so far but very interesting.
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With Ed Balls? It's been interesting. I would like to see it again.
In the mid-1980s I had a dog. Every morning whilst she was running free across the fields I picked up 2 plastic store bags full of rubbish. Every morning for 4 weeks then I stopped. It was like someone was walking behind dropping more >:( and once a man told me that he did - but that was not only freaky but several years later :-\.
Kids would have cider parties on the public footpaths and leave bottles etc., sometimes in carriers so why not take it to the bins by the shop where they bought the cider :-\. I tackled a group who I had watched growing up and they hadn't even considered taking their rubbish with them!
The same public footpaths have the same amounts of rubbish left beside them. It makes me really angry when we have travellers pitch up and the Council complain about how much it costs to clear up but refuse to give them bins ......... :-\.
Apparently some of the 'recyclable' plastic bags are breaking down in2 very small pieces and causing problems :-\ ???
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It's on now. All about seafood this week. 🦀🐟🐠
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We do, but there is not enough of it.
We don't. We export our own lamb and import it from NZ. What environmentalist could think that's a good thing?
Same with beef, fish, cheese and apples. Probably much else too, these are just the obvious ones.
Remember when feeding waste food to pigs was banned here? So for several months we exported it to Holland so they could feed it to their pigs, then we imported the pigs.
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We do, but there is not enough of it.
We don't. We export our own lamb and import it from NZ. What environmentalist could think that's a good thing?
Same with beef, fish, cheese and apples. Probably much else too, these are just the obvious ones.
Remember when feeding waste food to pigs was banned here? So for several months we exported it to Holland so they could feed it to their pigs, then we imported the pigs.
Well I only buy NZ lamb when British lamb is not available. Had Welsh lamb on Sunday.
If you take a look at the programme CLKD and I have mentioned you will see it's not that straightforward. You have to take supply, demand and profit into the equation, otherwise the system doesn't work.
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http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/market-intelligence-news/uk-lamb-trade-balances/
This site has the relevant information you might be interested in.
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Profit, that's the word. I suppose that the planes were flying anyway so carting salmon to the US makes a little sense as it helps the GDP [?]. But live crabs to China ........... :-\ why not sell them to the British? A few years ago we were in Scotland and the fishermen had vans on the Quay, langoustine were put into crates and flown to Spain. None touched UK soil apart from those that were given to us for our anniversary meal. Interesting that scampi is supposedly the tails ???
How do environmentalists square bringing Cities to a halt with demands and threatening behaviour when the UK is flying out/in various food products? I bet not many of those protesting have watched his programmes. Last night was really interesting but I wouldn't be eating farmed salmon .......... OK hand feeding but our fish will eat and eat and .......... :-\. It is cruel to keep a migratory animal in one place [I kept quail for 2 years and wondered about those :-\].
I would like to watch those programmes again, wonder if they will be put onto video or what ever the current medium :D is ?
What does it take B4 the police Read the Riot Act?
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Why am I targeting you??
Sorry, you have lost me, I was just pointing out a programme we have both mentioned we have watched. :o
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Last night's programme should be shown on large screens across London right now. Explaining how much we export/import and how it is unlikely that these people bringing our Capital to a halt will change the way that Commerce works ::).
Crabs are land-living critters, I think it's cruel to fly them across the World ;D
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Thanks for the link shady, it shows just how much we import from the other side of the world when we could consume our own. It even points out NZ lamb was sold in June and July when there's plenty of UK lamb just to hold farm gate prices down.
This one tells you the supermarkets that sell British lamb year round https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets-and-trends/meat-prices/lamb-watch-which-are-the-best-retailers-for-backing-british
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Okay 👌, will take a look later.
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We have so much knowledge here. Tnx for sharing.
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That's interesting information. I shop in Waitrose anyway as it's our nearest supermarket. Just 10 minutes walk away.
Really surprised at M&S. I'd have thought they would do better.
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Last night's programme was the last, about vehicle movements around the World.
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AAAHHHH. :-\. apparently Lewis Hamilton has sold his private plane because he's really depressed and worried about climate change >:( yeah right, someone who has made his £Bs in a politically governed and non-green sport ought to keep his head below the parapet.
Had he scrapped it then he may have made more impact. Had he not bought it using money landed in the Isle of Man .......... but someone will fly his plane telling everyone that he bought it from Lewis >:(.
Am I missing the point here .............
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Aneorobic digestors .......... in the UK farmers grow maize/corn on the cob. For animal feed :-\. The stalks go to these digesters. OK so far except that we followed 5 large tractors - full of maize storks - stalks even :-\ 15 miles from field to farm >:( in order to generate fuel. How does that work?
Tractors take energy to be built. Tyres are HUGE. They use diesal ............ they need insurance, maintenance and a driver.
Surely it would be better to use coal to generate energy across the UK? Or oil? If the stalks were being transported responsibly i.e. moved to the farm next door .........
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Buy locally wherever possible. Seasonal veg and fruit etc. I refuse to buy any fruit/veg in any packaging anymore. Loose at green grocers or supermarket. Sainsbury's is improving..slowly.. local seasonal veg/fruit is much healthier too. Win win! 👍
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Seasonal fruit and veg would be what exactly :-\ ? Sprouts, cabbage, cauliflowers, kale and other greens. Apples that have been in storage since last Autumn :-\ ? Pears don't keep, plums go over quickly if they last long enough ;). Strawberries and raspberries have very short seasons though if grown in Scotland and transported South it extends the season. Also spuds.
Peas and all types of beans take up space in a small garden so it's cheaper and easier to buy frozen or tinned. They also keep for ever in a tin!
That would cut out bananas, peaches, apricots, dates; coconuts etc.; one may be able to source home produced cob nuts and walnuts but there is a very short season for those especially when the squirrels find them ::) [ which they did here >:( ]. So no Brazils or chestnuts at C.mas? ::) ? No sweetcorn, peppers, oranges, lemons, advacodes, olives ........... we are such a multicultural society that we have become used to World wide fruits and veg..
Onions - from Spain or the UK. Radishes and lettuce from the UK. We buy as close to home as possible and grow as much as we can but it doesn't last long once picked ;D. We chew hot :o chillies for a couple of years, now in the freezer .
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We grow onions & garlic and they last us for months and keep really well, rhubarb I freeze what I don't use. Lots of lovely British apples around at the moment seeing it's harvest time for them and yet in the supermarket they were selling French apples & i'm thinking what's wrong with British ones. Obviously we struggle to grow oranges and lemons - having said that we had a lemon tree and we had at least 2 lemons off it!! We have potatoes & carrots available from local farms all year round, lovely local cabbages & broccoli the list is endless, mind you I do try to get mine from the farm shop but our nearest is a trek.
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CH is cooking: stir fried locally grown white cabbage with leeks and ginger. On top he will put a baked in the oven trout, caught last week :-*. With chips ;D
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We grow onions & garlic and they last us for months and keep really well, rhubarb I freeze what I don't use. Lots of lovely British apples around at the moment seeing it's harvest time for them and yet in the supermarket they were selling French apples & i'm thinking what's wrong with British ones. Obviously we struggle to grow oranges and lemons - having said that we had a lemon tree and we had at least 2 lemons off it!! We have potatoes & carrots available from local farms all year round, lovely local cabbages & broccoli the list is endless, mind you I do try to get mine from the farm shop but our nearest is a trek.
Unfortunately, in Kent, between 15 and 20% of the apple crop has not been picked this year. Shortage of EU seasonal workers apparently.
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Ask 'them' to prove it? - it may be simply that the farmer isn't going to get the money for the apples if there is a glut so cheaper to let them fall. Often happens. Years ago excess were sent to cider factories but there aren't as many of those as previously. In the Fens this weekend I noted that apples await being picked, boxes stand ready in the orchards and plenty of local fruit in the markets. Depends on the variety too.
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CLKD, it's been all over the local news and they have had film crews there. It's costing the farmers a lot of money and that's a fact. Our favourite apple farmer didn't have an Apple Day this year, for the first time in years. It is what it is. >:(
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I wonder why he didn't, we had apple 'days' all over the Fens and Herefordshire :-\ locals join in to keep a tradition going ::)
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So we have 1.3 million people unemployed yet none are capable of picking apples... We shouldn't need migrant labour.
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So we have 1.3 million people unemployed yet none are capable of picking apples... We shouldn't need migrant labour.
Seasonal workers are needed for a few weeks at a time in rural areas. Not only would most of the unemployed be in the wrong place they want permanent jobs. Especially now the benefit system is so complicated it wouldn't be worth giving it up for just a few weeks. Getting back onto unemployment benefit means several weeks with no money. Sorry but it's a non starter.
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In the Fens we have relied on visiting labour for centuries to pick apples and soft fruits; then back to Scotland for the tatties. We would get the same families in caravans, watching the babies grow up into louts ::) - Granny would have the money every night and hand out pocket money to the lads on a Friday. Hence the loutish behaviour after a bevvy or several. If Granny wouldn't hand out 'enough' the Police called when the lads got nasty. Granny ruled the van. Same families would go to the same farms year on year.
Occasionally the kids would come into school but disappear as quickly as they arrived :-\. They didn't mix with us ...... but I was fascinated. I wanted to join them but 1 day my Dad shouted out whilst we were driving in heavy rain: "Do you really want that kind of Life on a day like this?" well no; actually. I hate rain ;D
I tried picking strawberries, I lasted half a day - it was the day Prince Charles was invested in Wales. I had my small transistor in the row with me :D. DH picked fruits, picked crysanths, weeded orchards to top up his Grant and there were very few locals with him as they had regular jobs. Otherwise the 'vanners' would be along side.
......... and people fled from London to Kent to pick hops as that was a holiday - fresh air, sunshine, work ; they would be provided with very small huts in which to live, they took their bedding, pots, pans etc. with them. Historically fruit farms etc. have relied on iternerant workers.
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So we have 1.3 million people unemployed yet none are capable of picking apples... We shouldn't need migrant labour.
Seasonal workers are needed for a few weeks at a time in rural areas. Not only would most of the unemployed be in the wrong place they want permanent jobs. Especially now the benefit system is so complicated it wouldn't be worth giving it up for just a few weeks. Getting back onto unemployment benefit means several weeks with no money. Sorry but it's a non starter.
Not a non starter at all. I agree the benefits system doesn't lend itself to this but there's no reason why it couldn't. Though with the government's track record of botched IT systems I won't hold my breath. And if people can move from countries around the world to find work there's no reason why they shouldn't come from elsewhere in the UK. Probably a bigger problem is how few of them are capable of a day's manual labour.
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It'll never happen. It's logistically and financially impractical.
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Great. So I am paying for them to sit on their backsides doing nothing while perfectly good apples go to waste and we import them from elsewhere. Tells you everything that's wrong with this country and why the climate change problem will never be fixed.
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Great. So I am paying for them to sit on their backsides doing nothing while perfectly good apples go to waste and we import them from elsewhere. Tells you everything that's wrong with this country and why the climate change problem will never be fixed.
I think you are picking on the wrong villain here. ???
The reason that all the apples are not being picked is because EU seasonal worker are no longer coming over in the same numbers as before. The reason for that is that 1) Uncertainty due to 'you know what' and 2) The weakness of the pound due in part to 'you know what'.
As for the unemployed, of course some do just want to 'sit on their backsides', as you say. However, I would say that that does not apply to most of them. Anyone can find themselves unemployed, at sometime in their lives. Also there are many who, however hard they try, just cannot find work. This applies particularly to those with physical or mental illnesses, single parents, ex-service personnel, those over 50, those with the wrong postcode (people living on sink estates find it difficult even when fully qualified) and those with a criminal record. The last category is particularly interesting as despite the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (which means after a set time period they no longer have to declare their offence on a job application form), many spend the preceding years unable to find work. As around one in three men and one in ten women, have a criminal record this is bound to have an affect.
Sorry if I've bored you but it's not a straight forward problem.
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Not bored yet Shadyglade - I watched a programme with Simon Reeve well not literally ::) last night who is touring the States. There were iternirante workers from Mexico, many of them illegal. Picking what he called 'sugar beet' but were actually turnips ::), topping and tailing at a rate of knots into a plastic bucket.
The man running the Farm had advertised for local work force. He had 8 people reply for more info., 5 [I think] who filled in an application form, 4 turned up to work and lasted a day. They found it too hard!
When I was a kid in the Fens we had a workers' camp - lines of Nissen huts left over from the War which housed youngsters from Czecholovakia and Hungary ........ they arrived in the Spring and stayed until October/Nov.. Now that the economies 'over there' are improving they don't have to travel to the UK to work at break-backing, toiling, long, wet, muddy jobs. And I don't think that many people have any idea how our fruits/veg. get to the shelves :o as it arrives pristine - even I am amazed that anyone will do those menial, messy jobs. Then there are the HUGE machines which are ruining the soil across the UK which are GPS controlled. Taking the place of many workers .........
As an aside: I treated myself to a subscription to BBC Wildlife magazine. In the 12 months I've had 4 reminders that my sub is going to run out, the 1 today tells me that it has and would I like to renew? Now this is a Company that is 'on about' climate change and global warming >:(
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So we have 1.3 million people unemployed yet none are capable of picking apples... We shouldn't need migrant labour.
As a civilised society we welcome people coming legally from other countries or different parts of the UK to work in whatever industry they choose and where needed. I would not want anyone feeling they were unwelcome here. I wonder what the wages are for fruit-picking anyway? As Shadyglade says - the work is very seasonal so people who do this valuable work may have to move from place to place.
The issue of apples was highlighted recently on Ed Balls programme. The truth is we're a damn fussy lot - the whole of the developed world and beyond. Can't remember specifically which brands and sizes were referred to but something like - we export very large apples because some other countries like them and import some others bceuase of the taste. Also to do with crunchiness etc. This is what's wrong - not in terms of picking or anything but in terms of food miles and hence sustainability. Of course we should consume as much as possible of what we produce - and export the surplus. Equally import what we can't produce and certain foodstuffs to add interest to our diet ( I mean - olives, coffee for goodness sake ;D ) - but not unseasonal fruit and veg- that really is unsustainable - strawberries and tomatoes in winter (except as a very expensive luxury perhpas) or green beans imported from African countries - we certainly don't need these....
We really all need to drastically change our lifestyle and habits to be in with a chance of halting climate change - and stop consuming and demanding so much stuff!
CLKD that's a very damning judgment - all sorts of "louts" exist of all classes and nationalities. It tends to tar all Fens migrant workers ( where did they come from?) with the same brush. I do agree we shouldn't be hung up on pristine fruit and veg!
Hurdity x
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However: imports from Kenya were a part of the agreement when the country split from GB. It keeps workers able to put food on the table.
Also often what we grow in the UK is immediately exported, without the British housewife being able to get her hands on it!
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Migrant workers get the same minimum wage as everyone else. If we had the same unemployment benefit as those in Eastern Europe you'd be surprised how many people would suddenly be capable of picking apples and stop thinking manual work is beneath them. Yes, there are some people who aren't capable and those with childcare responsibilities who can't work away but out of 1.3 million I can't believe there aren't a few hundred who could do it.
I don't think supermarkets always sell what we want, sometimes it feels we buy it because that's what they sell. I love tomatoes but rarely buy them from a supermarket because they're so tasteless. And there's things like New Zealand lamb discussed above. British lamb is available year round but some supermarkets choose not to sell it so anyone shopping there can't make the choice to buy British. And carrots - can't buy misshapen ones in a supermarket. I buy 10kg of perfectly good horse carrots for £2, I eat as many as the horse does.
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Apparently a University has become 'carbon neutral'. How? If there are people there they will put out gases: any heating, lighting etc. has to come from somewhere ::) - they are going to the loo? and eating during the day? One cannot become completely carbon neutral! The Students have to get to/from the Campus. What are the students wearing, eating, carrying books etc. which are made of? ::)
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It's The American University. They've hit their target an amazing two years earlier than the target they set themselves. Most of our universities are aiming for 2030!
It's all to do with being allowed to offset the things that can't be totally neutralised against ones that can. I can't link from my phone but there is a video statement and details of how they did it if you Google American University carbon neutral.
Taz x
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Tnx. This 'off setting' has a long way to go B4 it's valid though . DH looked it up when Elton John 'offset' last year and apparently one Company are felling trees in order to plant new ones ::). Which people are paying for in order of 'offset' ........ it's all double Dutch to me :D
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Of course it works. All you have to do is wait several million years until they turn into coal... ;)
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:thankyou:
I have a huge amount of non-kerbside collectable plastics, off to supermarket later today: some of it is there's, i.e. what gets wrapped round bananas, apples etc. ;)
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I was in a garden centre on Sunday and they are selling re-cycled plastic in the form of chairs. Plastic collected from the ocean which is squashed and make into pellets then I lost the gist ;D - the colours are bright, wooden legs and small pads on the feet. Probably best suited to a conservatory or kitchen but a Good Idea :-*
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i have always done all I can to reduce plastic waste and I ran a local litter collecting group for several years and once a month I go and help with a beach clean.
however, until countries like India do their bit it's almost a waste of time trying to save the planet. India is the most polluted country in the world and has rivers with plastic waste bergs miles long. It is absolutely disgusting. They also have vast rubbish tips where children scavenge through - it makes me feel sick.
I would never visit India for that reason. Every country should be doing all they can not just our country.
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I was watching escape to the country earlier - a boat builder was importing magahony from Brazil and Teak from Brazil - both woods that I believe are not allowed 2 B imported into the UK anymore ........... English oak for the oars; lip service?
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Hundreds have called for the organisers of a Greta Thunberg climate change rally to pay for damage caused to green space.
Around 15,000 people are believed to have attended Friday's Bristol Youth Strike 4 Climate rally, churning up College Green and angering many.
A fundraiser was set up for repairs, which then resulted in calls for rally organisers to cover the costs.
The organiser said people had done their best in the muddy conditions.
All these attendees walked to the event then? What's wrong with Skype? One of the kids looked absolutely terrified in a photograph released yesterday. How much will the parents be fined by UK Schools for taking their kids out of Education?
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A new report says that to achieve being carbon neutral by 2050, we will have to give up red meat and flying almost completely.
Can't see that happening. ???
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So farmers will go out of business then; substitutes are grown in tropical climes so trees will be felled in order to make room for fields which will cause run off which will silt rivers .......... who thinks this go meat free idea through :-\
It goes against HS2 - where acres++ of ancient forest will be cut down which will release gases stored for years as well as ruining a whole eco structure millions of years old. Where's Greta when you want her ::) and as humans fart :-X 2050 is really hopeful. Concrete takes energy which has to be produced somewhere for building all those houses the UK apparently requires ..........
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I think a huge problem is that so much land is used just to grow the food to feed the cattle.
I watched a really good documentary called Meat - a threat to our planet with Liz Bonnin. I found it a real eye opener and definitely worth watching. If you have bbc I player, you can look it up or on YouTube maybe. X
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I however don't know why Liz Bonnin put herself out there with this particular documentary.
Most of the land used to grow food for cattle would grow what otherwise? That'll be grass and hay then ;)
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I watched it some time ago, but I think one of the main points is that the number of cows that humans are eating has risen hugely in the last decades.
Forests are being cut down in order to create more land to grow the food to feed the cows for humans to eat. So, I think the point was, if we stop eating cows, then there would not be a need to keep cutting down the forrests.
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That's a real problem in places like the Amazon. Here though, not so much I think.
Now that farmers are going to lose the EU farm subsidy I think (may be wrong) that the new scheme which will pay farmers for 're-wilding'. That sounds like a good idea.
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Do we eat cows ............ cows are for milking, surely. Beef cattle and bullocks ?
Where are we cutting down forests, not in the UK? How much of that beef grown on deforested areas is imported to the UK?
The same as forests cut down for palm oil etc., killing urang utans :'(. And pineapples: HUGE areas were deforested 2 centuries ago in order to provide Europeans with the fruits ..........
I remember the programme but was watching something else at the time. Usually I enjoy the programmes that Liz is involved in but gave that one a miss.
HUGE areas of forests will be cut down for HS2. But that's OK. Apparently >:(
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Around me are fields and woodlands as far as the eye can see and over the years I've seen diseased trees cut down and new trees replaced. Also n the last 10 years hedgerows have all been reinstated and a set aside round the edges of the fields where wild flowers grow x
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That's brilliant.
My husband has volunteered for our local Wildlife Trust, for a number of years. There is a lot going on now, I think.
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It is really good news if we are taking care of our land in the U.K.
For global climate change, which affects us all, the cutting down of major parts of the Amazon is disastrous for us all. Most of the (culinary term) beef that is eaten in the U.K. is imported.
Cattle is the plural term.
Cows is the common term I think, but cattle raised for human consumption is called beef cattle and cattle bred for milk are called dairy cattle.
The term bull, cow and calf are used to denote the sex or age.
After a dairy cow can not be bred anymore for milk production it can be minced into beef or used in pet food.
A young female cow before having a calf is called a heifer.
Little bit of Tuesday morning info. ;) x
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Totally agree. That is great your husband is doing this Shadyglade.
I walk regularly and just can not believe the amount of rubbish people still throw out of their cars. I try to pick up as much as possible, but it is very disheartening that so many people have such little respect for the planet and wildlife, despite the efforts in documentaries etc. X
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Tnx ;D. I used to be found in the pen with the Hereford bull - reading to him :D. They were always named Thomas. I was four 8)
The rubbish across the UK makes me ashamed to be English :'(. When ever we get travellers staying locally they get the blame but in reality they don't habit round supermarkets, bus stops, schools ...........
Farmers got Grants for reinstating hedgerows ;-). I planted out against our fence 15+ years ago: the spindle didn't like it there so were moved. 1 of the 3 hawthorn shrubs is now 20 feet high and spikey :o. There is a thornless blackberry wandering through the hawthorn, a mallow, clematis, hop and jasmine 'clotted cream'. At the base are winter flowering cyclamen, hellebores and snowdrops for early insects.
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It's a pity that programme didn't give a balanced view. Applied to the amazon it's absolutely right. Applied to the UK it's completely wrong and shows a biased view. Our farm is typical of many. They grew corn on 10 acres of it in the war but the yield on this land is so low there's no profit. It is used productively for beef and sheep. If you eat spring born UK lamb it's raised entirely on grass and has the smallest impact of any meat (and they have a good life). Beef cattle need some corn to finish but again most of what they eat is grass. We're not destroying our environment except by building houses on all our best land and hs2 which will just turm Birmingham into a suburb of London.
It's ridiculous to equate British raised meat to air travel. We all know planes should be controlled and the additional co2 from fossil fuels stays in the atmosphere for hundreds of years. Methane from cows breaks down in around 10 years so as long you don't eat more meat the amount of methane stays the same
https://climatefeedback.org/claimreview/claim-about-climate-impacts-of-cows-vs-cars-needs-a-little-explanation-financial-times/
Whereas if you eat imported almonds and avocado's you're adding to it.
The UK is about 60% self sufficient in food. Our children and grandchildren will still need to eat so wiping out our farmers is about as short sighted as you can get.
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Tnx sheila ......... well put. I took for granted food produce when I lived in the Fens. Now I return and think how hard farming is and the long hours which are put into producing for little return.
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Sheila99. Your link says that cows have a worse effect on the planet than cars in the short term but cars in the long term.
In my opinion, both are very bad therefore and change is coming whether you like it or not.
Future generations won't even exist if they can no longer breathe.. just sayin!
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The World has been here B4. I think it was a metoorite that killed the dinosaurs ....... then Man arrived and fouled up the Earth even more.
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https://www.livekindly.co/david-attenborough-lost-appetite-meat-state-planet/
An interesting article. David Attenborough is a legend and I am going with what he says.. ;)
I am not sure that the planet has reached the temperatures we are now faced with CLKD??
We have 12 years to try to stop the increase and if we do not bother, then the temperatures will then increase uncontrollably, wiping out life on planet Earth.
I suppose this may have already happened millions of years ago?! X
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Sheila99. Your link says that cows have a worse effect on the planet than cars in the short term but cars in the long term.
In my opinion, both are very bad therefore and change is coming whether you like it or not.
Future generations won't even exist if they can no longer breathe.. just sayin!
You seem to have missed the point and it seems to be a point deliberately missed by the vegan brigade. Methane breaks down in approx 10 years so no longer has a negative effect. Every time you drive your car, eat imported food or turn your heating on you ADD to the problem. You're using fossil fuels and the damage lasts hundreds of years. Apart from in Brazil the world cow population is relatively stable so in 10 years time there will be the same amount of methane whereas every year the amount of co2 goes up.
The cow theory just seems to be a convenient scapegoat so we can avoid the decisions we don't want to make. How many people know methane breaks down?
There was no global warming when millions of buffalo roamed North America, it only started when man burned fossil fuels.
Sadly change seems to be in the wrong direction. Apparently there are now twice as many flights as there were 10 years ago and we know co2 in the atmosphere is worse than co2 at ground level. Why it isn't included in emissions regulations beyond me. Perhaps that's where we should start.
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If the Government of the day were really serious, they wouldn't have said yes to HS2. Not then and certainly not more recently. It's costing the tax payer ?Bs more than expected. It's ploughing through countryside etc.. Which will release who knows what into the atmosphere. This should have been the Governments first step towards what they think we should do!
If one deforests areas across the World it takes HUGE lorries and man power. Roads have to be built, usually of concrete which uses fossil fuels to make. If the concrete roads are then taken up it uses HUGE lorries etc.. If those forests aren't replanted then soil erosion occurs. Releasing gasses that have been stored. If woods are destroyed then the whole eco-system is destroyed. What right do we as humans have to kill a whole eco-system? Erosion rushes into water courses, out to sea ........
Leave it where it is!
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Agree that fossil fuels need to be rapidly dealt with too.
I do find that David Attenborough knows what he is talking about, along with all the other scientists, but it is up to us as individuals to research and decide what we think.
I think it is a bit silly to start labelling people as the vegan brigade. They are listening to the facts, but I would agree that Ignorance is bliss!
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I didn't say you were ignorant jari. If you want to think you can save the planet by eating vegetables but you continue to use fossil fuels that's up to you.
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Hi Sheila, I did not say that by eating vegetables we can save the planet. 😂 however, I do think that if we all stop or reduce our animal intake, then this would dramatically help.
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Vegans and vegetarians need to eat everything raw. No cooking = no fossil fuels ;-)
As a recovering anorexic I have to eat what I fancy when I fancy - in order to stay alive. I enjoy some foods for weeks then go off them. So it is essential that I have access to what I will eat .......... I can't stomach eggs unless in cake :-* ...... my gut simply can't process them. Even omelettes are off the menu for me. I don't eat bacon, sausage ........... too greasy . I can't be bothered to prepare raw veg. so would have to buy it from the store in a plastic box :-\
I does my best I does ;) and don't get me started on David Attenborough programmes >:( I could write a book about how contrived many of them are!
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Vegans and vegetarians need to eat everything raw. No cooking = no fossil fuels ;-)
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A life without bacon and eggs? Nooooo...
Can't work out why anyone can think imported vegetation does less damage than grass fed lamb but each to their own.
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Agree Sheila.
Best to buy local grown seasonal fruit n veg!
Not imported dead animals, if that is your thing..
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Better than importing live animals for slaughter although that is usually the other direction: horses, donkeys, cattle - off to Europe .......
Council recycling bin collection today. My bin is full as it goes out about every 3rd week as we don't produce much.
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CLKD. Recycling could do with being improved too! ;)
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My Council is the 3rd best County in the UK 4 recycling ........... :medal: :party09:
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2 night at 9.00 Torvill and Dean are travelling somewhere to do some ice skating in the fresh air - I think the point is that due to climate change 'all this' is disappearing :-X
It was to Alaska looking for firm ice to skate on in the open air. The scenery was lovely and a good free advert as a holiday destination.
However: they both flew 2 and back from Alaska; plus the TV Crew; as well as driving around parts of Alaska or travelling by helicopter to reach a glacier which is shrinking. Apparently.
A suitable lake was found but had to be cleared of snow: 4 vehicles to carry crew etc., 1 of which had snow clearing equipment which was powered by gas. ..... go figure. Then we got the lecture about how we should all be doing more to prevent climate change >:(
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Dipping in and out of coverage from Japan. Watching a couple who play badminton in pairs competitions. During their interview at home, she stated that they began having meat free Mondays then found that they were eating less meat each week. 'If everyone started with 1 thing, it would help the environment' was the husband's comment. They bought a dog during lockdown, a rescue American cocker spaniel.
So - dogs are not good for the envioronment: pet food takes a lot of resources 2 make, B4 it reaches the consumer. Plus disposing of poo bags :(. Plus toys, leads, bedding manufacturing ........ and this couple TRAVEL World Wide to competitions :bang: As DH said, no evidence that they will be taking an England-based job then?
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This meat free business is not to do with climate change. It looks as if political agitators have done a super-slick exercise to stick climate change on to their don't eat meat campaigns. Look at how many people say the mantras they have planted like little children repeating advertising slogans ::)
Processes to limit damaging increases in world temperature cannot be simplified into going meat free in just the same way as simplifying by eating plant based. Burning fossil fuels is what is at the root of human made climate change.
Increasing vegetables in diets is going to be very good for the health of people who eat too much processed foods. That is where the benefits are for them. If vegetables are brought across the world on transport that uses fossil fuels, or are grown where they damage the soil to release carbon into the air, they can be very bad for the climate.
I live in Britain which has for now a climate that is definitely good to produce a variety of healthy foods. My family is doing our dietary bit against climate change by eating red meat, dairy, cereals, and vegetables from the British Isles. The carbon footprint of food from our countries in Britain is small (political agitators quote figures from countries where it is high to dupe us), and we have good rains (for now) which is important in growing food. Vegetable boxes can be little samey in winter, but so what?
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This meat free business is not to do with climate change. It looks as if political agitators have done a super-slick exercise to stick climate change on to their don't eat meat campaigns. Look at how many people say the mantras they have planted like little children repeating advertising slogans ::)
Processes to limit damaging increases in world temperature cannot be simplified into going meat free in just the same way as simplifying by eating plant based. Burning fossil fuels is what is at the root of human made climate change.
Increasing vegetables in diets is going to be very good for the health of people who eat too much processed foods. That is where the benefits are for them. If vegetables are brought across the world on transport that uses fossil fuels, or are grown where they damage the soil to release carbon into the air, they can be very bad for the climate.
I live in Britain which has for now a climate that is definitely good to produce a variety of healthy foods. My family is doing our dietary bit against climate change by eating red meat, dairy, cereals, and vegetables from the British Isles. The carbon footprint of food from our countries in Britain is small (political agitators quote figures from countries where it is high to dupe us), and we have good rains (for now) which is important in growing food. Vegetable boxes can be little samey in winter, but so what?
Excellent post.👍
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Good post. Remember when everything was seasonal and dates in long boxes at C.mas time? Whilst imported food should encourage people to eat more heathly, taking away processed foods would be a starter. However, some then say that fresh food is too expensive ...... getting rid of use-by dates might be a start so that people use up what's in the bottom of the fridge?
Farmers should stop using huge machinery which impacts the soil = large puddles in which sea gulls swim. I am amazed that in the Fens there are such puddles . Problem is that there are now contractors so farmers have to wait until the man with the large machine arrives at his farm, instead of diy!
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There was a program on BBC about the terrible things that processed food do to how we feel hunger and satisfaction earlier this year. Processing and adding ingredients we don't have in our traditional recipes plays lots of tricks on metabolism. Food for thought in that program.
I suppose that while people want their food to cost nothing, these big heavy machines will be used to grow it. Wages go up, and what is sold from the fields drops in price in reality. My car is on hire on a contract. I could not afford to buy it myself. Maybe that is how farm machines are these days? A few big ones are cheaper to run in money terms?
I drive past fields that grow crops to produce electricity. They have big machines on them all year round that the soil must be very damaged. So many journeys and so much damage to soil and everything in it to make "vegan" electricity from anaerobic [thanks predictive spelling ;D ] digesters that should be digesting waste!
The world is mad, but that is beyond mad.
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You can buy a house for the price of a combine harvester. Food used to be a significant part of household expenditure, now it's a fraction of it. We want ever cheaper food but also want the land farmed as it was in 1930. It's impossible to have both. Dairy farms are the same. Milk is cheaper than water so it's impossible to make a living on a family sized 60 cow farm. So farms get bigger and have 500 cows and the result is that the cows can't go out as there are too many to graze near the farmstead. Expect it to get worse. With the withdrawal of EU subsidies many more family farms will go out of business
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Those are so expensive!!!
Maybe if we demanded fewer holidays and possessions, we could be paying farmers more for what they produce? Fewer holidays, less travelling, less fuel burned for leisure, less CO2 released. Win win.
We learned that we could have a nice break literally at home last year. We don't have a Palace, but we played holidays.
I cannot work out how our food can be grown when the counties of England that are the bread baskets and vegetable growing areas are experiencing higher sea levels because of climate change. Warm water expands, doesn't it? If the government has thousands of hectares of trees planted, where do the new growing areas come from?
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Brazil probably. More amazon rain forest felled for farm land. This government seems to be doing it's best to make sure there are no farmers here.
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You can buy a house for the price of a combine harvester. Food used to be a significant part of household expenditure, now it's a fraction of it. We want ever cheaper food but also want the land farmed as it was in 1930. It's impossible to have both. Dairy farms are the same. Milk is cheaper than water so it's impossible to make a living on a family sized 60 cow farm. So farms get bigger and have 500 cows and the result is that the cows can't go out as there are too many to graze near the farmstead. Expect it to get worse. With the withdrawal of EU subsidies many more family farms will go out of business
Gosh, I didn't realise EU subsidies were so essential. Isn't there a new scheme now though??
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There are schemes but it can take a while for them to kick in. I remember when farmers were paid to grub out ancient hedgerows to accommodate more wheat fields, then we got what is known as "Fen Drift" which meant that farmers had to reseed 2/3 times . The earth would blow off the fields on2 the roads like a smog >:(
Every farmer had his own machinery. Those on small acres borrowed and every farm hand mucked in to get the harvest in by late August. Then would be Harvest Festival in Sept., now harvest seems to be reeped earlier ??
If we had smaller fields, less heavier machinery which impacts on the soil, plus a rest season ....... and rotation as it was ........ and buy in season as close to the farm as possible: i.e. we can't grow spuds or tomatoes any cheaper than from the supermarket or farm shops. Making use of batch cooking when items are cheaper, using the freezer space appropriately makes a difference and of course, jam/marmalade making and preserving is important with gluts.
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Did you see Our Family Farm Rescue tonight? They found some paperwork from 1949 - the price they got for a lamb then was the same as it today. Who else is expected to pay 2020 prices on 1949 wages?
I'm a little surprised by 1949, rumour amongst farmers is 1970s prices.
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I think it depends on the area and how good the stock might be.
They had got themselves in a real muddle. I don't like lamb in any form (other than newly born ;-) ). I don't like smoked foods. It's a niche market. Already the dynamic on that farm has altered and now they have to employ a manager :-\
There was mention that they had considered letting out some of the fields but didn't like the idea of someone else farming them :-\. Sometimes in order to survive financially 1 has to let go. That's why estates and farms became smaller in recent years due to Inheritance tax and simply not making money from the enterprise.
I am looking forwards to the next programme.
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Haven't farms got bigger, though? Mega dairy and mega cropping? It looks more industrial than even 20 years ago to me. That has a social effect, I would bet. Prince Charles stands up for small farms. The EU stands up for small farms for good social reasons. British governments CBA, and let good small farm businesses go?? There is biodiversity loss with bigger farms. 100 hectares that would have a lot of variety as a small farm becoming one block of monoculture for a megafarm cannot be a benefit.
I did not see the program, but wouldn't the price made for produce sold from the farm in the 1940's buy loads more then than the same price now?
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Haven't farms got bigger, though? Mega dairy and mega cropping? It looks more industrial than even 20 years ago to me. That has a social effect, I would bet. Prince Charles stands up for small farms. The EU stands up for small farms for good social reasons. British governments CBA, and let good small farm businesses go?? There is biodiversity loss with bigger farms. 100 hectares that would have a lot of variety as a small farm becoming one block of monoculture for a megafarm cannot be a benefit.
I did not see the program, but wouldn't the price made for produce sold from the farm in the 1940's buy loads more then than the same price now?
Incomes were much lower.
Growing up we hardly ever had joints or chicken. Mainly mince, sausages and liver. Sunday lunch was usually homemade corned beef pie.
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That's a reminder. Liver with onions; chicken as a treat; lots of sausages, eggs, beans on toast, macaroni cheese etc.. Every 5.00 o'clock tea was the same each week, i.e. boiled eggs with fingers on a Monday, quick after Mum had done the laundry.
Also, farmer hands were often in tied cottages so could hardly afford to take time off sick in case they lost their homes. Some farmers did give their hands an egg and milk allowance as well as a veg. plot as part of their wages. My maternal Aunt worked 4 the same farm in the house where my Uncle was a cowman, his wife took in laundry . The bulls were always 'Thomas'.
I don't remember what happened to waste - very few plastics then. Meat, butter, cheese all wrapped in greaseproof paper which was reused. Often. Chicken was a treat, even bit used. Roasted with lots of veg., cold in salads/veg. and the bones boiled for soups. Granny had a pot on the bubble all week with bits thrown in, added veg on the Friday for the mens evening meal. The bones were probably dug into the ground .......... everyone had a composting system and those who kept chicken would add the muck to that = Very Good manure ;-).
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Apparently, due to lack of wind powering those ugly concrete-based turbines, 2 coal fired power stations had to be kicked in to compensate the UK or the lights would have gone out :o. That is as well as buying in from mainland Europe, which is likely to be nuclear powered stations ........... be careful what you wish for?
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I had a weird and long e-mail from Waitrose during the week. They are apparently removing the 10p bags for life and replacing them with another type, which they don't want us to buy.
I ditched the message. Shopping there earlier I noted that 'we are removing the 10p bags for life' printed, on plastic; slotted into the thingies which separate each customers' shopping on the shelf (wrong word) that 1 stacks items prior to them being scanned and paid 4. Now, 4give me 4 being picky ............ but >:(
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So now BBC The 1 Show are going to travel to Glasgow to cover the climate change conference >:(. they don't get it :bang: :bang: :bang:
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Now: I'm getting angry :bang: leaders of various religions from across the World have stopped off at The Vatican to meet the Pope to pledge that they will educate their congregations about the risks of Climate Change. Justin Welby was there, couldn't he have stayed at home and ZOOMED his comments ?
We are watching BBC1 - a reporter has been rocked and rolled on the North Sea heading towards one of those awful concrete turbines ........ but couldn't get on due to the swell. Using fuel to film the trip to the turbine and back to the mother ship ........... I think I'm getting too old to even believe in climate change: it doesn't seem as those lecturing to the rest of us are prepared to give up travel!
If I had the energy I would drive to Glasgow with a large banner and stand outside that Conference ;D - any ideas as to what to print on my Banner ?
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i thought this thread was going to be about the idiots causing all the hours of disruption on the motorways. Their “leader” says he would not let a dying person through or an emergency vehicle. They are all inconsiderate nutcases.
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He could hardly answer a straight question when interviewed on the News! I've noticed this with agitators, they know about their campaign but nowt about the real World and how their actions impact! They never have even stock answers ready.
Stopping a lady following an Ambulance because her Mum is very ill; stopping Ambulances from going about their duties ......... I wonder how many of these agitators are on 'the dole'? I would throw the lot, glued together, into the Thames!
They are so narrow minded!
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time to bring in the Army with water cannon ? :-\
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Be careful what you wish for ;D
Travellers heading to Scotland for the COP26 climate summit have been left stranded due to disruption caused by strong winds.
The south and east of England were battered by heavy rain and gusts of up to 80mph earlier.
Hundreds of people were left waiting at London's Euston station after fallen trees caused all trains to be suspended.
There was also reports of a "tornado" in Northamptonshire.
The disruption at Euston came as a result of damage to overhead electrical wires between Rugby and Milton Keynes on the West Coast Main Line.
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We were discussing COP26 this morning. Now the Royals are there! presumably they flew up ?
We recycle as much as we are able via the kerbside collections; we grow our own compost; fruits and veg, insect suitable flowers; we buy via antique shops, other than jeans, underwear and shoes, we haven't had many new items of clothing, I go to charity shops.
We decide on our evening meal mid-afternoon - DH preps and cooks, any left overs are used the next day or frozen. We have 2 vehcles one diesel: encouraged by the government of the day : we walk and shop together. I don't know how much more we can offer to 'save the World' as we holiday in the UK too. ::)
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Other than buy an electric car next time round, there isn’t much else.
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Ditch the gas central heating?
Recycling helps but not using it in the first place is even better. Can't buy veggies in my local supermarket that aren't wrapped in plastic.
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Don't have gas. Don't think it's safe. New properties aren't allowed to have gas after a certain date :-\. Not that it will make any difference over all ::) and now some bright spark: not : has decided to limit the amounts of meat we eat. >:(. :bang: :bang: :bang:
Have lit the wood burner. 'they' are targeting those too despite them being 85% more efficient than an open fire. That is 'they' that travelled to Glasgow from across the World. I might have said already.
We have a village store where the majority of the fruit/veg is plastic free. Waitrose are selling non-plastic bags at 30p each, my problem being that I forget and leave them in the car boot ::). Apparently these are washable. Don't know the overall impact that making each 1 has? I am still using bags for Life from C.mas 3 years ago 8).
Of course if we all stop eating meat, farmers will go out of business. Then the government can concrete over our green fields and grub out hedgerows :'(. We will then be beholden to mainland Europe!
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US President Joe Biden's motorcade has been spotted leaving a hotel in Edinburgh en route to COP26 in Glasgow.
A large convoy, including Mr Biden's armoured car nicknamed "The Beast", left the Dalmahoy Hotel near Kirknewton in West Lothian on Tuesday morning.
A fleet of police and Secret Service vehicles accompanied the president as he travelled along the M8 motorway to the conference venue in Glasgow.
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They are only targeting meat to avoid cutting down on fossil fuels. Methane breaks down in 10 years so as long as you aren't eating more meat (or eating it from Brazil where they cut down rain forest to grow it) you aren't adding to the problem. Unlike carbon. It's OK to transport your avocado from half way round the world using fossil fuels though. And OK to fly in a private jet to a climate change conference because you're an Important Person.
You can't get much greener than home grown lamb, brought up on unfertilised grassland that isn't suitable for crops.
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People don't realise how our food is produced. A pretty lamb in the fields doesn't translate to the hours of work etc., nor how it gets to the plate. (I don't like lamb so yours are quti9e safe ) ;D. We use our local butcher who can almost name the creature we buy our beef off ::).
Do U get much for the fleece these days? They were a popular tourist buy when we lived in Wales. We have two: one 'local' to where we lived then and another sent from N Zealand for our wedding gift from a friend. Both behave quite well in our bedroom :D.
Buying tinned veg. grown in the UK would cover 'out of season' foods - there's a lot of goodness there and they keep for years. How about coffee and tea though :-\ ........ chocolate and Hot Chocolate. Have we gone too far?
Coal after all kept people warm as well as feeding the furnaces that made England the most productive country in the World during the Industrial Revolution. Oil and gas have never been 'green' but fed our dependance.
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So what aren't 'they' telling us about how green electric vehicles are?
The main media discussions revolve around how far we are likely to be able to drive between charges as well as how many points will be available and how long each charge is likely to take. As there are time limits at many motorway service areas, will there be enough time to charge up ........ or will it mean stopping at more service areas en route?
What is under the radar is the cost of overall production. How the batteries will be built and where. What will be in each battery - lithium which may well be imported from across the World as it requires mining. Therefore damaging that part of the environment? Out of sight etc.? Why should humans destroy yet more of the earth by mining lithium etc., in order to 'save the planet' :-\. Even if lithium is mined in Cornwall around the china clay area ........ is it 'right'? How many tons of equipment will be required: cost of manufacturing against the cost of environmental damage; cost of tyres, maintenance, fuelling said huge diggers?
How will the batteries be recycled after they are no longer able to fuel electric vehicles? It isn't as simple as buying an electric vehicle ......... the whole package including recycling has to be considered by all of us. 'cos sure as night follows day, the leaders of the World won't make that very clear.
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Hello ladies, I know the answer about sheep wool. It is that it is not worth much at all because so many people in the world buy clothes and household items that are made from plastics from petrochemicals. Too many people think their cheap plastic carpet or cheap plastic jumper is brilliant and do not want to think about the damage to the planet that it has caused. If it was made of wool it would be part of a natural system, not the artificial planet damaging fossil fuel system.
We have a sheepskin rug (not from the process of shearing :D of course ;D ) that is beautiful and will outlast us. It will be put in composting when it is too tatty and it will return the carbon it stores safely into the soil to be locked away.
It is amazing to watch wool skilfully sheared from sheep. I helped a friend and tried wrapping the shorn fleece and putting it into the wool pack. The sheep looked happy afterwards in the summer weather with their coats clipped :)
I have just thought ... does Greta wear plastic clothes? Even recycled plastic clothes give off microplastic microfibres, I understand. Microplastics get into the soil and the air. There are no wool fibres on Mount Everest but many millions of microplastic micrifibres.
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Try saying "micro plastic microfibres" this early in the morning ;D. Good points. All my aunts, grannies, neighbours knitted clothing which was passed down through the cousins. If it got too small the wool would be unwound, washed gently, hung on the line to drip then re-used. In the 1990s Mum knitted me a waistcoat - I see they are 'back' in fashion 8) - and from all the bits of wool left over the years, made a blanket which is on our bed. A few of the squares are in the waistcoat wool. Is that taking recycling too far?
Then fast fashion came along.
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Trainers !
A few years kids had to buy the latest trainers in order to 'keep up. Last night I read an interesting article ............ :whist:
Here we are: from 'Why Today's. youth aren't as green as they think they are ' - Judith Woods, Telegraph
Trainers cause 1.4% of global greenhouse gas emissions. To put that into context, aviation causes 2.5%. ......... "There are 25 billion pairs of running shoes made every year - enough to go round the earth 300 times - and most made from plastic", says Angela Terry, founder of eco-consultancy One House. "Most are made from polyurethane, nylon or latex which are fossil-fuel products, plus each of the separate elements is mass produced in 63 different factories in far-flung parts of Asia and each has a supply chain of it's own"
Go figure. Never thought about that! How many of your young people living 'at home' help around the house, sorting the items for recycling etc.? How many keep their gadgets on standby overnight ............. ::). How many want mums and dads to ferry them around in the family gas burning vehicle whilst at the same time, banging on about what everyone should be doing to save the Planet ;D
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One of the world's deadliest snakes has been found in Salford after it survived a 4,000 mile trip in a shipment from Pakistan.
The saw-scaled viper was discovered in a container of bricks, which had been delivered to Manchester Brick Specialist last month.
so now we are importing bricks which are quite intensive to make, weigh heavily and ........... we had a brick industry in Peterborough!
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Why is anyone flying to Egypt to meet up to discuss climate change >:( :-\ or have *I* got the wrong end of the stick .......
Why has Boris gone? Why isn't he here, sorting out his Constituency etc.. In his position I would have kept my head well down!!!! >:( and who is the PM to 'tell' the King that he isn't allowed to go ..........
Well done Charles for hosting your own 'event' - however, again it could be done on ZOOM - as it meant people travelling to get to London :bang: :bang: :bang:
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Don’t think you can drink champagne and eat canapés on Zoom CLKD ;D
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:lol: :rofl: :drunk:
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These people that are holding up traffic on the motorways etc.: don't they realise that emissions will be more because of vehicles stoppping/starting, trying to get to work !?!?!
It seems that the 'experts' spout the same old. Same old. Where ever they R in the World. Every year :argue:
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I had to come out of a popular toy store yesterday. Grandson wants a certain toy for Christmas but floor to ceiling plastic toys in that store was just so depressing.
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??? China ???? [as an aside, the e-Mini will be manufactured in China >:( - ]
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We’re to pay reparations to Pakistan and China now :-\
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:cuss:
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Another jolly for our 'leaders' plus journalists? What happened to ZOOM meetings? :beat:
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....... and if that Matt Hancock dares open his gob about climate change :bang: having flown to Oz and back :-X ;D
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Quite agree CLKD!
It’s completely ridiculous that a show like that is, so say, climate friendly.
It makes no sense, but hey, it’s an entertainment programme, that’s all.
Perhaps we shouldn’t be worried :-*
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If that's entertainment I'm back to the cave I am ;). What did he receive for 3rd place I wonder?
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I’ve been wondering recently whether we need some sort of referendum on net zero.
Not about pollution from plastics, insecticide’s, awful waste etc. of course that needs addressing as a priority.
But surely we need to discuss energy supply, usage and costs vs effect on environment.
And of course Health!
I think we need more public debate so that we can all make informed decisions going forward.
I somehow doubt this will happen :-\
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Morning. Too many 'bodies' over seeing too many issues.
Take run off from chicken farms which is ruining parts of the Wye. Fishermen report to the appropriate 'body'; canoeists are getting ill after falling into the water. Appropriate body passes the buck down to the LAs who don't have the powers to control.
Take salmon farms in Scotland. Pellet wastage plus antibiotic use = pollution. Plus the fact that salmon should be wild and free: to migrate from the rivers where they were spawned, into the ocean to complete the life cycle and back. repeat, repeat, repeat. If I kept animals that should 'run free' in cages ........ :-X
Shortage of eels due to buildings taking up land via which they would wriggle to reach waterways = so that they too can swim into the Sargasso Sea to complete their life cycle.
I could go on. And on. And on ............
Currently I'm trying go pursue where our rags to once handed into charity shops, having seen the media photos of much of it landing up literally on foreign shores >:(
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That didn't answer your question - referendums take monies and time to set up. In reality, I don't know who would take control of setting one up, or instigating for change dependant on the results. This may impact more on those living in the country side or by the sea including fly tipping issues. Towns/cities may be used to rubbish on the streets ..... or mayB there is less ?
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Climate disruptors of the future will be trained by a new degree course, a college has said.
Black Mountains College in Talgarth, Powys, has launched a BA in sustainable futures.
It teamed up with Cardiff Metropolitan University, the Brecon Beacons National Park and industry partners.
The college also claimed it was the world's first dedicated entirely to climate action, responding to "the climate and ecological emergency".
The course will be partly classroom based, but will include placements in industry and teaching outdoors on the college's farm campus.
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Watching Formulae e racing from Cape Town ....... another excuse for another formulae in non-green sport. Building the cars etc; transporting them here, there and everywhere; along with all the mechanics, chefs, drivers all wearing company clothing; add to that the journalists plus spectators. They don't all walk there do they!
The World will never be carbon neutral ....... too many people rely on the above for work, expertise, on-going design and technology. Yet the government is telling us via adverts to turn down our heating >:( :(. SHANT!
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It’s an absolute disgrace that coercion and energy policies are used to either financially force or frighten elderly people into turning down their heating!
But of course it’s ok to have a private jet!
Who are these people that dictate to us and our families……..
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they have private cars
they have access to public transport
they have no idea of the Real World - read these in any order that applies :-\
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they have private cars
they have access to public transport
they have no idea of the Real World - read these in any order that applies :-\
Someone younger could perhaps with justification say that of the elderly. Own a car, have a bus pass, have no idea of the real world as it is now ;)
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The younger generation have no idea don't tha know ;D
Vaping. Drinking themselves stupid. Wearing next to nowt on nights out, they'll catch their deaths ..........
Any1 read the article in the Telegraph yesterday: modern life : about alternatives to leather :-\. I've skimmed it ready to absorb later. DH however, read it word for word ............
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Watching Formulae e racing from Cape Town ....... another excuse for another formulae in non-green sport. Building the cars etc; transporting them here, there and everywhere; along with all the mechanics, chefs, drivers all wearing company clothing; add to that the journalists plus spectators. They don't all walk there do they!
The World will never be carbon neutral ....... too many people rely on the above for work, expertise, on-going design and technology. Yet the government is telling us via adverts to turn down our heating >:( :(. SHANT!
CLKD You are in a very fortunate position to be able to keep your heating running.
Many folk are simply unable to afford to do so.
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I appreciate some people are really struggling with their fuel bills but many people (probably most) don't dress appropriately for cold conditions. You can't even buy fashionable warm clothing unless you go to a specialist shop.
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Refilling is defo a challenge I've opted for bar shampoo, conditioner etc the choice is getting better. Also postal refills of soap pdr from splosh pleased my refill wild deo now available in boots and h&b. Lots of options out there but not cheaper sadly but better for the planet
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Refilling - some supermarkets are offering refill options and there are companies that travel round areas where buyers take their bottles etc. to top up. The ones that visit our area doesn't have any thing that I would buy in the first place :-\. Quite hi-end stuff. I haven't investigated to see if it's made/bottled in the UK.
I wonder how many people keep up2date with their iPads/phones etc. but don't think to put the heating on ?
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Plus the 'flying scotsman' and similar small steam trains still running. >:(
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Do any of you get a cap on your energy prices?
Also: we have been told not to remove caps from plastic bottles, watching a programme earlier and the family were taking them off! No wonder the public is confused! ::)
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It must be awful to buy your home then watch the sea approaching every year until diggers move the cabin so that the owner has to move :-\. However, why weren't owners ready to move?
How many of us have a grab bag, know where the essential paper work might be as well as keys and a torch to hand? Having learned that King Canute wasn't able to stop the tide ..... or was it another King whilst the cakes burned? ;D ::)
If the local Councils are 'saving money' but not propping up the shore line then that money (if there is indeed any) , should be helping people buy some land so that they can move their cabin or rebuild :-\
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Climate activists set for march near Grangemouth oil refinery - Ineos
You couldn't write it! Scrolling through the Press photos of this proposed event, shows a lot of plastics being used. The activitists are sleeping in small tents - all with plastics in them; hand wash - in plastic bottles; chopping boards - made of plastic. OK so they would argue that they are used and washed regularly. However >:(
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Another ship containing electric vehicles ablaze in the Channel >:(
Four years ago, 270 shipping containers, some containing chemicals, fell off another Panamanian-registered cargo ship in a storm and some of the containers washed up on Dutch beaches.
But the latest fire has also raised issues surrounding the risks of transporting electric vehicles.
Last year, a cargo ship carrying 4,000 luxury cars caught fire and sank off the Azores. Lithium-ion batteries in the cars caught fire on board the Felicity Ace.
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Over 50 authors have called on the Edinburgh International Book festival to cut ties with one of its sponsors over climate concerns.
A joint letter urges organisers to put pressure on Baillie Gifford over its investment in fossil fuels.
The festival director later called for an "open discussion" about the issue during the event, which starts on Saturday.
Baillie Gifford has said it is not a significant investor in the sector.
Zadie Smith, Ali Smith and Gary Younge are among those who have signed the open letter ahead of the literary festival.
It comes after climate activist Greta Thunberg last week cancelled an appearance at the event.
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Surely if all these people feel that there is a conflict of interests they shouldn't attend this event? Greenwashing reigns ? They don't listen to themselves ! >:(
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A wind turbine caught fire last week in the Wash ........ how much pollution would that have caused >:( :bang: :rant:
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Sadiq Khan flies to New York for global climate summit
This is the man that imposes a stealth tax on vehicles entering the Capital >:( most of the M25 is similarly affected as well as people going to the Airports. :bang: :bang: they simply have NO IDEA :cuss:
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It's always the same. You can't drive your car but they can fly somewhere every weekend.
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I'll start another thread on car manufacturing
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Why don't the Royals admit that they want a holiday abroad, rather than tarting it up as a 'conference' here, there, anywhere? To which they hardly cycle do they! Some conservation award event that they feel they have to attend ......... to give out prizes :-\
New York :The 15 global innovators, entrepreneurs, community leaders, and activists working to find cutting-edge solutions to climate change, will be honoured at The Prize’s annual awards ceremony in Singapore this November.
For the first time, the awards ceremony will be accompanied by a week-long series of events dubbed Earthshot Week.
These events will be aimed at mobilising and scaling innovative solutions to protect and repair the planet.
Members of the public will also be invited to experience local activations centred on the 2023 cohort of Earthshot Prize solutions.
Perhaps I've lost the gist :-\ of climate change risk when we are told to go electric but every man and his dog can fly/cruise where they want? It was on the 1 Show earlier, apparently there are two British finalists who have good ideas, however!! one is how to stop the marbles off road tyres .......
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Abandoned tents from Leeds Festival are being transformed into clothing by the owners of a sustainable fashion store.
Hundreds of tents as well as clothes, sleeping bags and other equipment were left behind at Bramham Park after the annual event last month.
Josefin Wanner and James Fenwick, who own Tad Collective, in Headingly, said they had upcycled salvaged material.
Mr Fenwick said the fabric would be turned into "useful things" and would help "avoid landfill".
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DH looked at the Photos of Greta Thurnberg - it appears that she is wearing a puffer jacket which will be made with a % of retro-chemicals ::). And how did she get from Sweden to England to take part in yet another 'event' in which she was arrested. What a waste of Police time >:(
We've had newly designed packages which can be pulled apart to separate the bubble wrap from the outer cover that has the address and stamp on, ideal for wrapping small items of china ready to sell ;-). The outer cover then goes into recycling. Do I look smug: you Betcha ;D
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DH looked at the Photos of Greta Thurnberg - it appears that she is wearing a puffer jacket which will be made with a % of retro-chemicals ::). And how did she get from Sweden to England to take part in yet another 'event' in which she was arrested. What a waste of Police time >:(
We've had newly designed packages which can be pulled apart to separate the bubble wrap from the outer cover that has the address and stamp on, ideal for wrapping small items of china ready to sell ;-). The outer cover then goes into recycling. Do I look smug: you Betcha ;D
She has hitched a ride on a yacht in the past to cross the Atlantic. Not and easy thing to do but very climate conscious ::)
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Ah but U forget that the yacht in question was dismantled and flown back ::)
She's there again, amongst others who R wearing wooly hats - synthetic, mayB :-\
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So Prince William is in Singapore - how did he get there ? :-\
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The United Arab Emirates planned to use its role as the host of UN climate talks as an opportunity to strike oil and gas deals, the BBC has learned.
Leaked briefing documents reveal plans to discuss fossil fuel deals with 15 nations.
The UN body responsible for the COP28 summit told the BBC hosts were expected to act without bias or self-interest.
The UAE team did not deny using COP28 meetings for business talks, and said "private meetings are private".
It declined to comment on what was discussed in the meetings and said its work has been focused on "meaningful climate action".
Looking at this with some logic, why not discuss future oil deals whilst everyone is over there: rather than flying back/forth in the New Year
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We have a good system in that we have a food waste caddy, collected every week. The black bin contents go to landfill/digestor. Blue bin [we have 2] is for cardboard, paper, glass, bottles, jars with lids, plastics; green bin [we have 2 even though we home compost] are charged for annually, which take garden waste.
How do other Councils sort household rubbish?
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We have a bin that takes paper and cardboard, a bin for plastics, glass and metal, a food bin and a bin for everything else that goes to landfill. Food bin is taken every week but the paper and general waste alternate with the plastic bin. We can have a bin for garden waste if we pay but we take ours to the tip as it is only 5 minutes away.
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Landfill space is getting scarce, hence the need for more digesters ........ also I would love to go round a recycling plant to see how it all works!
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We have a box for glass (so that broken glass doesn't contaminate the rest of the recycling), a bin for recycling (paper, cardboard, some plastics, tin cans, foil trays if clean enough), a bin for non-recyclables and a food caddy. Textiles can be left out in a clear bag, but are often not collected because the compartment on the lorry is too small. All the aforementioned goes weekly. I subscribe to the fortnightly garden waste scheme too.
CLKD, I would also love to go round a recycling plant. Will you be firing up the charabanc any time soon 😉?
JP x
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Of course: need to pump up the tyres, clean the windows and lights then away we go. ;D. My biggest problem is those tiny TePee brushes that I've been advised to use, wondering whether they jamb up the works!
I've decided to clean out jam jars as several people were asking on local FB pages during the year, seems a shame to bin them, they can go into the attic and when I get 6-ish I'll offer them up.