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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Vicky81 on November 03, 2025, 03:30:23 PM
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Hi all. So after whst a lady advised me on here about patches being too high (mine was 100) She told me her story of hers being too high abd got anger, lots of fatigue, didn't like anyone ha this us same s me she saud sometimes people go too high ....and I think that's what I msy have done. So ive cut it down to make 76mg to start with. See how it goes.
The slynd I found awful ....my partner even said yiure anger got more severe each day you took that slynd!! This morning was the turning point.
I called the chemist first abd spoke to pharmacist he was lovely as i was crying so hard he saud "get off the slynd right away infact im going to write to your GP to tell them how bad this has been for yiu"
So then I had the task of looking up different progestogens......so i typed in best progesterone for suppressing ovaries....maybe a but silly but hey ho....
These came up -
HANA
CERELLE
CERAZETTE
DESOMONO.
hadn't heard of last one?
Any how i chose cerelle .
Now remember im. Very sensitive to medications and vitamins because of my withdrawal from antidepressant which is crap.....I used to be able to take anything but not now.
So, I take my pill at 4.45pm.
Feel a bit nervous!!!
So ive heard people doubling up?
Do I need to do this on my regime of 75mvg cerelle along side 76mg estrogen patch?
I also use provra about 2 weeks or so before I have a bleed for extra .
Please a y advice woukd be great here xxxxx
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You are under a menopause specialist for all of this, surely??
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Hana, cerelle and cerazette are all exactly the same - 75mg desogestral.
Just different brands
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I thought so crispy.....let's see xxx
NAS yes my GP is neno trained. Not everything suits me because of my withdrawal.
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What are you withdrawing from?
I am guessing the GP is overseeing all of your meds and endorses all the frequent changes etc?
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It can't be possible that a professional menopause specialist would condone or agree to so many regime changes in such a short space of time.
Vicky, your posts are bewildering!
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Yes they do agree. Bevause im sensitive to medication during to other ailments i have. So aslong as thetre supportive that's fine
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So mayB direct your queries to those overseeing your various medical issues ? Members here share information and experiences about peri and menopause, we are not medically trained to the extent of advising on your constant questions.
Do return to your GP and ask the questions that you have begun different threads about on this Forum. If U continue to have 'withdrawal problems' after all this time, then some1 somewhere isn't helping you, which means that U need to be referred appropriately.
How do U have access to all this different medication via the NHS without giving any of it time to work? The drop in hormone levels is slow so it stands to reason that uptake may also take a while B4 the body becomes aware of changes. It's the same with anti-depressant medication, I could write a book on that! I could also write a book about withdrawal from a couple of ADs.
It becomes tiring for me trying to 'keep up' with your repeated threads :-\ . MayB others have similar ............
Menopause is natural. The Change, does what it says on the tin! Periods may stop suddenly or wax and wane for a while ....... various symptoms may become troublesome. Because hormones are natural it is unlikely IMO that a woman would have immediate severe reactions to any HRT prescribed ......... the phrase 'sensitive 2 hormones' is an oddity because we are full of them. We need to remember that "R" word: replacement.
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Clkd - I for one have extreme sensitivity to hormonal changes. If I add in hrt - it is hell. If I stop it - it is hell.
You're very lucky not to experience that. Please don't post making out it doesn't happen.
Also - if reading Vicky's threads is tiresome - why read them????
Those of us with current posts are desperate. We're struggling. We're looking for others in the same boat or validation that our latest treatment may work.
Vicky - how did the first night on cerelle go?
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I am afraid that for some of us reading Vicky's posts it would appear that she is self medicating. Vicky has some history of doing exactly this, taking over the forum and not taking any of the advice that she is given here, albeit only from personal experiences from members, as CLKD mentions, we are not medics here.
This is the second time since I have been on the forum that Vicky has proved to be a very disruptive member. As she explained previously she seems to have a team of medics looking after her, why use this forum to go against their advice.
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Hey Vicky, firstly to say I one million percent understand your desperation to find a regime that works for you, I have been there and at times felt like giving up, it’s been so so hard, I can’t even really put into words how hard it’s been and how unwell I’ve been but I really think you need to only be changing one thing at a time otherwise how are you going to know what is and isn’t working? Cerelle/desogestrel is less likely to fully suppress your cycle compared to Slynd unless you double up. I’ve been on this regime and know. Slynd is VERY good at suppressing your cycle, my fsh and lh on this are incredibly low, therefore if your aim is to suppress your cycle Slynd will do this, you need to give it a little time. Am I imagining it or did you say in a previous post you were on Yasmin? If so I think this uses drospirenone as the progestin so unlikely you are intolerant to it if you were ok on this combined pill. I still believe your issue is the Estrogen, not the progestin. Obviously I’m not medically trained and you must go with your doctor’s advice but do you keep a diary and notice trends? I’ve really found this helpful. For me, when Estrogen is too high or in comparison to progesterone I feel exhausted, low mood, irritable/angry, bloated, sore boobs… basically pms on crack. So many women report positive changes with higher Estrogen but this has been the opposite experience for me so I wanted to share my experience in case it helps. I really would try and change just one thing at a time, if you’ve lowered your Estrogen maybe stick with the Slynd and see if you feel any improvements. Just my opinion but honestly, constantly changing stuff really isn’t helpful in long run x
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Crispy Chick - I have avoided reading most of Vicky81s threads as it appears that she isn't taking note of any advice given here and seems 2 B suggesting that she is swapping medications without giving any time 4 them to work. It is a concern as to who is prescribing which and also how she is able to access HRT which many of us have to fight for.
It is rare that people have sudden issues to adding hormones without having been comprised in their own cycle, I followed Dr Daltons Website in the 1980s and 90s where good advice was given as to the why's and where 4s. This is a Doctor who represented women in Court when they had committed Crimes due to severe PMT.
For those that suffer then they should speak to their prescribing medic, using some of the suggestions made on Forums such as this one. Copy the advice and go armed to their GPs etc. for face2face advice. Members here are not professionals but are sharing experiences.
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Clkd - I only wish I could find someone to help with my extreme extreme sevsitivities. I'm struggling to carry on :(
I wholeheartedly agree with everyone who says Vicky needs to stop chopping and changing. And yes, we do all keep saying it. Myself included.
But I also understand absolute desperation and extreme (unusual) side affects.
I just want Vicky to feel welcome. Noone knows who Vicky is, what support she has, what her GP offers etc .. all we know is there is a desperate lady looking for support.
I've had tremendous support on my most recent thread. Many of these ladies have supported me over the years and always take time to comment on my threads.
Let's show Vicky the same compassion. That's all.
But yes Vicky - stick with one thing. Lclegg has given u good advice in there. X
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Three years ago this forum was and has been full of compassion for Vicky, she was given a wealth of advice and each time she ignored it and didn't stick to any regime she was given by her medics only to constantly end up doing her own thing.
She is repeating this disruptive behaviour all over again, and again taking no notice of it.
We all have the utmost sympathy for anyone going through the most stressful of times through symptoms of menopause, I am here because I was in a similar position and it was the ladies here that assured me I will get there in the end, and I did. In those stressful times I never took advantage of the time the women gave me with their invaluable advice, I took the advice on board and waited for my medications to take affect. There are ways of behaving in a forum and being deliberately disruptive is not one of them.
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Clkd - I for one have extreme sensitivity to hormonal changes. If I add in hrt - it is hell. If I stop it - it is hell.
You're very lucky not to experience that. Please don't post making out it doesn't happen.
Also - if reading Vicky's threads is tiresome - why read them????
Those of us with current posts are desperate. We're struggling. We're looking for others in the same boat or validation that our latest treatment may work.
Vicky - how did the first night on cerelle go?
Crispy i absolutely agree ....why read them indeed ...just dont bother ....I mostly have my friends on here who we private message anyway xxxx
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I am afraid that for some of us reading Vicky's posts it would appear that she is self medicating. Vicky has some history of doing exactly this, taking over the forum and not taking any of the advice that she is given here, albeit only from personal experiences from members, as CLKD mentions, we are not medics here.
This is the second time since I have been on the forum that Vicky has proved to be a very disruptive member. As she explained previously she seems to have a team of medics looking after her, why use this forum to go against their advice.
Ayshea im not disruptive at all, dont read my posts if they upset you.
I dont self medicate not that I nedd to explain.
Im a medic myself abd also work for the CQC. . my GPS are brilliant and understand my withdrawal also from my previous antidepressant. I do have sensitivities just like crispy and I agree with her 100 percent. Not everyone is the same or has the sane knowledge. Im not reading anymore unkindness because that's not the way I am with others. So I'd rather you didn't message me please I wish you all the best x
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Clkd - I only wish I could find someone to help with my extreme extreme sevsitivities. I'm struggling to carry on :(
I wholeheartedly agree with everyone who says Vicky needs to stop chopping and changing. And yes, we do all keep saying it. Myself included.
But I also understand absolute desperation and extreme (unusual) side affects.
I just want Vicky to feel welcome. Noone knows who Vicky is, what support she has, what her GP offers etc .. all we know is there is a desperate lady looking for support.
I've had tremendous support on my most recent thread. Many of these ladies have supported me over the years and always take time to comment on my threads.
Let's show Vicky the same compassion. That's all.
But yes Vicky - stick with one thing. Lclegg has given u good advice in there. X
Crispy along with yourself I have great support on here ....mostly in private messaging . You've always been kind and as I said earlier my GPS are brilliant s im going through a withdrawal too which isn't easy roman antidepressant that I came off too quickly ...guided by GP....cough.
I've had to change my progesterone as my anger levels which are my worst peri symptoms git very serious. So GP told me to switch straight away so I chose cerelle. And let's see a f hope this is the one . Lots of love to you crispy xxx
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Hey Vicky, firstly to say I one million percent understand your desperation to find a regime that works for you, I have been there and at times felt like giving up, it’s been so so hard, I can’t even really put into words how hard it’s been and how unwell I’ve been but I really think you need to only be changing one thing at a time otherwise how are you going to know what is and isn’t working? Cerelle/desogestrel is less likely to fully suppress your cycle compared to Slynd unless you double up. I’ve been on this regime and know. Slynd is VERY good at suppressing your cycle, my fsh and lh on this are incredibly low, therefore if your aim is to suppress your cycle Slynd will do this, you need to give it a little time. Am I imagining it or did you say in a previous post you were on Yasmin? If so I think this uses drospirenone as the progestin so unlikely you are intolerant to it if you were ok on this combined pill. I still believe your issue is the Estrogen, not the progestin. Obviously I’m not medically trained and you must go with your doctor’s advice but do you keep a diary and notice trends? I’ve really found this helpful. For me, when Estrogen is too high or in comparison to progesterone I feel exhausted, low mood, irritable/angry, bloated, sore boobs… basically pms on crack. So many women report positive changes with higher Estrogen but this has been the opposite experience for me so I wanted to share my experience in case it helps. I really would try and change just one thing at a time, if you’ve lowered your Estrogen maybe stick with the Slynd and see if you feel any improvements. Just my opinion but honestly, constantly changing stuff really isn’t helpful in long run x
Thanks 4 replying....so the slynd ....ugghh I tried and it upped my already peri symptom of terrible anger. Dr told me yesterday get off this pill so I did. They all know im sensitive and that if my withdrawal doesn't agree with it ....it's down the pits I go. So that was the reason..now I hope cerelke will be OK and I can get sorted. Thanks 4 being so kind and understanding. If something doesn't suit I usually know pretty quickly. Xxxx
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Crispy Chick - I have avoided reading most of Vicky81s threads as it appears that she isn't taking note of any advice given here and seems 2 B suggesting that she is swapping medications without giving any time to work. It is a concern as to who is prescribing which and also how she is able to access HRT which many of us have to fight for.
It is rare that people have sudden issues to adding hormones without having been comprised in their own cycle, I followed Dr Daltons Website in the 1980s and 90s where good advice was given as to the why's and where 4s. This is a Doctor who represented women in Court when they had committed Crimes due to severe PMT.
For those that suffer then they should speak to their prescribing medic, using some of the suggestions made on Forums such as this one. Copy the advice and go armed to their GPs etc. for face2face advice. Members here are not professionals but are sharing experiences.
Access HRT that many have to fight for???? Don't get this
Yiu just ring the GP. That's what I did.
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Three years ago this forum was and has been full of compassion for Vicky, she was given a wealth of advice and each time she ignored it and didn't stick to any regime she was given by her medics only to constantly end up doing her own thing.
She is repeating this disruptive behaviour all over again, and again taking no notice of it.
We all have the utmost sympathy for anyone going through the most stressful of times through symptoms of menopause, I am here because I was in a similar position and it was the ladies here that assured me I will get there in the end, and I did. In those stressful times I never took advantage of the time the women gave me with their invaluable advice, I took the advice on board and waited for my medications to take affect. There are ways of behaving in a forum and being deliberately disruptive is not one of them.
Im not disruptive. You dont know me as a person. It's very hard when yiu take advice then you get other advice somewhere down the track. But disruptive im not. I hold down 2 very responsible jobs. Team leader in broadmoor and CQC so please dont call me names isn't that fir the teenagers of the world? I'm getting alot of good support on here which im over the moon with not saying names but in private messages. To me there are people worse off than me so let's take care of those and ourselves. I dont do nastiness to anybody and I dont care at all if someone wants to be nasty with me I e heard it all before from the inmates at my place. Lol
So please Ayshea I'd like to thank you for any support you may have given, but I must admit i dont get a good feeling when I see you have messaged me. So if it's ok....can you not message me and il do the same ? I'd appreciate it. Thank you .
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Hi Vicky,
I see that you say you are going through withdrawal from antidepressants (you don't say which one) but I'm wondering if the reasons your moods are all over the place is that rather than changing your hormones all the time (which IMO isn't going to do any good) you may need to go back on a higher dose of your antidepressants, or even try a different one to get you back on an even keel before adding in or changing your hormones.
I know antidepressants aren't a magic pill but we can be too quick to put things down to peri/menopause and hormones when in fact it's something else and antidepressants can help.
Mojo-swaptop x
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So mayB direct your queries to those overseeing your various medical issues ? Members here share information and experiences about peri and menopause, we are not medically trained to the extent of advising on your constant questions.
Do return to your GP and ask the questions that you have begun different threads about on this Forum. If U continue to have 'withdrawal problems' after all this time, then some1 somewhere isn't helping you, which means that U need to be referred appropriately.
How do U have access to all this different medication via the NHS without giving any of it time to work? The drop in hormone levels is slow so it stands to reason that uptake may also take a while B4 the body becomes aware of changes. It's the same with anti-depressant medication, I could write a book on that! I could also write a book about withdrawal from a couple of ADs.
It becomes tiring for me trying to 'keep up' with your repeated threads :-\ . MayB others have similar ............
Menopause is natural. The Change, does what it says on the tin! Periods may stop suddenly or wax and wane for a while ....... various symptoms may become troublesome. Because hormones are natural it is unlikely IMO that a woman would have immediate severe reactions to any HRT prescribed ......... the phrase 'sensitive 2 hormones' is an oddity because we are full of them. We need to remember that "R" word: replacement.
I agree with crispy!! Don't read them then ....solved. I'd rather you didn't.
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Hi Vicky,
I see that you say you are going through withdrawal from antidepressants (you don't say which one) but I'm wondering if the reasons your moods are all over the place is that rather than changing your hormones all the time (which IMO isn't going to do any good) you may need to go back on a higher dose of your antidepressants, or even try a different one to get you back on an even keel before adding in or changing your hormones.
I know antidepressants aren't a magic pill but we can be too quick to put things down to peri/menopause and hormones when in fact it's something else and antidepressants can help.
Mojo-swaptop x
Hey my love what it is i was on duloxetine 60mg way way back in September. It was too high si I stayed at 40 for ages. Then I thought I dont want to be on this anymore my issue is peri, I dont suffer normal depression if u like , so GP "helped" klme come down I even made my own 10mgs up as the manufacturers only make up to 20. I thought 10 woukd be low enough and sadly it wasn't. I put up with terrible withdrawal for 3 weeks thinking it'll go away soon ....but mine didn't so the best way is to go back on it to simmer down the awful symptoms. But my GP didn't know what mg to put me on
...abd because we dont really get alot of withdrawal training at work .....I was lucky that my friend on a site sign posted .me to an American website who specialise in withdrawal. You give them all your medications dates used etc....then they come up with a plsn for you. They told me go on 20.mg duloxetine and stay there until you stabilise.....they were so right as they believe in going in low with most things especially b12. So I stabilised in March then my b12 took a slight dive and I had to try different low tablets which still didn't agree ....b12 is known not to agree with people in withdrawal so this is where I am now. Xxxx
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For legal purposes I would like to state here that I have never messaged Vicky81
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Remind me: What exactly did U hope to achieve when U began posting and what advice given by Members here didn't suit?
Why keep opening threads if you get support via PMs :-\. This is an open Forum so we can read, comment and give advice as and when.
As 4 'ring yrGP that's what I did' comment: that isn't the issue 4 U is it? So why not return to your GP for further advice and support?
It took me 9 weeks under GP supervision to withdraw from an AD which wasn't easy but not something that I would fear in future - it shouldn't take any longer than 6 months as they are in the main, non-addictive. Nor did I became hooked on Valium because my GP prescribed 'as necessary' at each appt. and because I knew that they worked as prescribed, never required more than the 5mg twice a day.
Which symptom would you like to ease first?
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On this site of course meet nice people....get advice reassurance . Im nk expert in perimenopause but I learned some things along hhe way CLKD. I agree with yiu totally hun about the withdrawal God mine seems to be lasting it's horrible isn't it?my gos are goid i must admit but when they dont know something..I tlcome on here either a post or to someone im friendly with....im easy going I just want to get on in life like everyone else, ive had so much sadness over the last 10 weeks or so that I want comfort more than anything ....im not perfect ive tried sometimes on here or with HRT and failed . .ive done daft things...but ive always been loving towards people like Kathleen, crispy minimise dangermouse abd can't remember others .....im always grateful and never belittle anyone fir maybe them doing something that I wouldn't do ....each to their own. I don't like nastiness or feeling a bit picked on .....we all try like crispy said . And that's what im doing....trying . I hope yiu have a nice evening x
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My withdrawal was difficult but not particularly horrible . My GP supported me along with my DH. As U requested above, I'm off this now.
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Hey Vicky, firstly to say I one million percent understand your desperation to find a regime that works for you, I have been there and at times felt like giving up, it’s been so so hard, I can’t even really put into words how hard it’s been and how unwell I’ve been but I really think you need to only be changing one thing at a time otherwise how are you going to know what is and isn’t working? Cerelle/desogestrel is less likely to fully suppress your cycle compared to Slynd unless you double up. I’ve been on this regime and know. Slynd is VERY good at suppressing your cycle, my fsh and lh on this are incredibly low, therefore if your aim is to suppress your cycle Slynd will do this, you need to give it a little time. Am I imagining it or did you say in a previous post you were on Yasmin? If so I think this uses drospirenone as the progestin so unlikely you are intolerant to it if you were ok on this combined pill. I still believe your issue is the Estrogen, not the progestin. Obviously I’m not medically trained and you must go with your doctor’s advice but do you keep a diary and notice trends? I’ve really found this helpful. For me, when Estrogen is too high or in comparison to progesterone I feel exhausted, low mood, irritable/angry, bloated, sore boobs… basically pms on crack. So many women report positive changes with higher Estrogen but this has been the opposite experience for me so I wanted to share my experience in case it helps. I really would try and change just one thing at a time, if you’ve lowered your Estrogen maybe stick with the Slynd and see if you feel any improvements. Just my opinion but honestly, constantly changing stuff really isn’t helpful in long run x
Aww thanm you so much ..
.I sent you a private message to ask about your story with it cos yiu coukd be right.......the 100 patch coukd have caused my anger.....or it's fluctuations as I had to come off yasmin due to ot raising my SHGB meaning that it's binded to my pill.slowly over the weeks.....that's why I was scratching my head and saying im on yasmin and the patch ....whichvyes meno GP knows...and im getting mild night sweats but most of all the anger volcanic anger that I had at the start of peri in 21. So I did my research by looking at my full blood countvand worked it out....I need to stop yasmin then after me telling the GP he said oh yes,you'll nedd to come off ....wally!!!!!!! So the slynd after 9 days each day anger got worse and worse and then like fire bomb. Which was yesterday morning partner said right that's ot.....I was pulling my hair digging my nails into my skin screaming at hom shouting it was the worst dat for anger. The pharmacist told me get off that pill now. It's not fir yiu infact im emailing your GP now so they know. So I had to look on the net at other ones while crying my eyes out....I picked cerelle. So mate it's either too high estrogen caused the anger or fluctuations cos the anger started way way befire slynd abd the GP told me you got the anger because yasmin was no longer suppressing yiur ovaries because it had binded to SHGB.....you see what I mean now hun? So im trying my best to get well again.
..ive git fatigue so horrible that I can't go out that's what made me think when yiu saud you thought u had cos.....I'd been saying the sane for ages.......
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My withdrawal was difficult but not particularly horrible . My GP supported me along with my DH. As U requested above, I'm off this now.
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I didn't request anything with you CLKD.....im confused lol
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So mayB direct your queries to those overseeing your various medical issues ? Members here share information and experiences about peri and menopause, we are not medically trained to the extent of advising on your constant questions.
Do return to your GP and ask the questions that you have begun different threads about on this Forum. If U continue to have 'withdrawal problems' after all this time, then some1 somewhere isn't helping you, which means that U need to be referred appropriately.
How do U have access to all this different medication via the NHS without giving any of it time to work? The drop in hormone levels is slow so it stands to reason that uptake may also take a while B4 the body becomes aware of changes. It's the same with anti-depressant medication, I could write a book on that! I could also write a book about withdrawal from a couple of ADs.
It becomes tiring for me trying to 'keep up' with your repeated threads :-\ . MayB others have similar ............
Menopause is natural. The Change, does what it says on the tin! Periods may stop suddenly or wax and wane for a while ....... various symptoms may become troublesome. Because hormones are natural it is unlikely IMO that a woman would have immediate severe reactions to any HRT prescribed ......... the phrase 'sensitive 2 hormones' is an oddity because we are full of them. We need to remember that "R" word: replacement.
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I agree with crispy!! Don't read them then ....solved. I'd rather you didn't.
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Natty sometimes we have different things going on st the same time hence the different topics .
And yes yiu can be sensitive to any medication.....crispy chick will vouch for this.
A withdrawal is something thstchas to come to an end or stabiliexon by using the sane antidepressant at a low dose.
Anyway have a good day
Oh and just to add ....all ive asked for is info about different progesterone tablets....you're right you are not medically trained about my withdrawal so in future I'll just say i e got a sensitive nervous system which crispy has sensitivities too....no harm in that at all ....im not asking advice on my withdrawal that would be stupid and im very well aware you have to give co traceptice pills time to suppress ovaries. Ur that slynd was on a different level for me it got worse and worse anger wise which I get in peri ....I started the znger in 21 ....my partner even said right get off that now it's tearing us all apart it was too strong for me. Even the GP z d pharmacist agreed. So that's why o. This post i was asking if anyone had a sort of favourite progesterone out of the list I put up ....I dont get whats wrong with that. All ive e er been is very nice to people on here I remember.ne and you even spoke on the phone once about serialise while I was at work I called you ....you were very nice. So I dont want any I'll feelings GNatty just plain simple guidance
And kindness we all get things wrong but I coukd not stay on that slynd another moment. X
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Vicky are you able to just note information from others in posts without over involving and compromising ?
Discuss the information with your partner and then plan together a way forward.
Also to seek help outside of where you are currently looking at in real life off of forums & not from work eg different GP or specialist etc.
If this is tearing your relationship apart your partner may have some fresh ideas that you could consider.
What matters here ?
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Awws thanks Minnie yes I do still like advice from here there's lots of lovely ladies on here.....but I do honestly ring up my GP, I have a a4 diary and ons from months ago that I keep....it's just trying g to get these horrid peri sy.ptoms under control ......ive made a very good knowledgeable friend on here we message e erydzy from 6am private messages she's. Been therd done it and is still doing it....so im happy I have her so much......this all happened because I didn't know but my yasmin pill.stoppdd working due to it raising my SHGB....so the SHGB had binded to it....therefore releasing my ovaries again....hence the anger the depression feel low mood shouting it's all very upsetting all im.dping is crying especially reading some of the replies people out to me yesterday I was so hurt but I have to mo e on. Hurt because I treat people so nice all the time on here ....very grateful .to.people and never want to hear anyone in pain. But it's ok.i jhdt have to try a d hope this.cerelle pill suppresses me ive been cautious and started with 1 teeth yesterday and last night but today the anger has come back so maybe the ladies are right on here yiu do have to double up?. Anyone wants to help or advise here I'd be grateful....thank you Minnie xxxxx x
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Well Vicky, you know I am not supressed on one cerazette - which is identical. 75mg desogestral.
In fact, the symptoms of my own cycle and so so bad this month - that I'm seriously wondering if I should increase again.
But taking double supressed me do far that my body was shocked, yet again, into low E. And I can't tolerate hrt. So I have a dilemma here.
For you, I'd suggest do a month on one. You can always increase. You are also on E patch so should be ok if you do supress. I think k if you're sensitive, doing a month on one pill then moving to two would be your best bet.
Xx
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Awww thanks crispy!!! Yes ive had the same advice on pm xxxxx love yiu mate xxxx
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Well Vicky, you know I am not supressed on one cerazette - which is identical. 75mg desogestral.
In fact, the symptoms of my own cycle and so so bad this month - that I'm seriously wondering if I should increase again.
But taking double supressed me do far that my body was shocked, yet again, into low E. And I can't tolerate hrt. So I have a dilemma here.
For you, I'd suggest do a month on one. You can always increase. You are also on E patch so should be ok if you do supress. I think k if you're sensitive, doing a month on one pill then moving to two would be your best bet.
Xx
So crispy are you not on any estrogen mate,m
It's horrid being sensitive ....no one gets it.
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No. No estrogen.
I've not actually needed it through all my turmoil. But things have shifted now. Hot flushes' etc.
And taking 2x cerazette plummeted my E. My FSH and lh were fully supressed, just like chem meno. And it's taken me 5 months of one cerazette to finally load the joint and muscle pain.
But, I'm in one of the worst months I've ever had - so I expect my E has surged. My GP did a test, which happened to helpfully fall on day 21. So will see, once get results.
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Vicky that wasn't my message! I was quoting the previous message from CKLD - apologies if that wasn't clear. I was trying to show why she wasn't going to involve herself in the thread anymore - because you had asked her not to!
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Yes crispy chick stuck up for me znd she was right.
She doesn't have to read any of them...same as anyone. Anyway enough is enough now hun ....let's all just get ourselves better
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How are you doing Vicky? You’ve gone very quiet.
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I noticed that Vicky has been made a Limited Member whatever that means.
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I noticed that Vicky has been made a Limited Member whatever that means.
She’s limited to how many posts she can make in a day?
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Thanks. Didn’t know that was a thing.
Not posted at all since 5 days ago though, so hope she’s ok.
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I’m in contact with Vicky through private messages. She is still sticking to her new regime, but also still having a hard time.
She knows I’m responding here because I mentioned you were worried.
Some women complained about Vicky and she is no longer allowed to post new topics. I can only imagine how much something like that hurts when you are already feeling so low. I’m maybe not a member long enough to understand the dynamics here, but it brings me back to high school and some mean girls that bullied other vulnerable girls. That is all I’m going to say about it.
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OMG.
This is awful. Why does someone post? Because they are needing advice / reassurance or support.
Yes Vicky posted quite a few similar threads in the space of a few days. ??? So what?
I am saddened to hear this. I am horrified there are other woman (who are or have at some point, gone through this hell) that would complain about someone making posts. Goodness me! 'making posts' on a forum when desperate.
Kon - you are so right. That's high school behaviour.
But what I will say, is there are many many lovely ladies on this forum that have tried to help me over the years. And many of those same ladies still try and help me now. And I love them for that. :-*
God knows, my awful issues have gone on so long that my posts must sound repetitive. But still they come to help. You know who you are :-*
I'm in contact with Vicky too. I figure if I have time to come on this forum, i have time to send a supportive message to someone in distress.
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God im crying my eyes out thank you both so much and you couldn't be more right...I am in distress as u both kniw ....what a shame this site has done this to me or maybe others in the future.....how are u meant to get the help.
But im so blessed to have dangermouse crispy and koni and many others who are by my side. Thank you fir being there.
Shame on the nasties.
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I've been on MM since 2015 and people have tried to get me thrown out in the past. Believe me, it's far, far better on here now with the new generation of menopausal women than it was in the past with overbearing members acting like unofficial moderators and school prefects. It's a much more open forum than it used to be too because before discussion was often closed down by said people. It was overly judgemental and closed to new ideas. It sometimes resembled a prissy 1950s WI group not that I was alive in the 1950s thankfully!
If somebody finds a member irritating and doesn't like their posts don't read them. It's pretty simple really. A lot if women come on here because they desperately need help, support and kindness. If someone is repetitive so bloody what? It's not going to cause the bottom to fall out of another member's world is it?
I hope you are as well as can be expected Vicky. It's going to take time to find a regime that works.
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Ah thanks all for explaining and glad you can, at least, comment here Vicky.
Yes, we’ve certainly been through a lot of controversies here and glad that now it’s not only about one thing that, clearly, does not fit all.
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God im crying my eyes out thank you both so much and you couldn't be more right...I am in distress as u both kniw ....what a shame this site has done this to me or maybe others in the future.....how are u meant to get the help.
But im so blessed to have dangermouse crispy and koni and many others who are by my side. Thank you fir being there.
Shame on the nasties.
You could modify your first post on this thread and rename the title “Vickys thread “or something similar.
You can then post and others who want to know where can then find you.
Sort of creates a safe space for you as well as you already keeping your private messaging.
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Awww thank yiu so much for looking out 4 me means so much xxx
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I've been on MM since 2015 and people have tried to get me thrown out in the past. Believe me, it's far, far better on here now with the new generation of menopausal women than it was in the past with overbearing members acting like unofficial moderators and school prefects. It's a much more open forum than it used to be too because before discussion was often closed down by said people. It was overly judgemental and closed to new ideas. It sometimes resembled a prissy 1950s WI group not that I was alive in the 1950s thankfully!
If somebody finds a member irritating and doesn't like their posts don't read them. It's pretty simple really. A lot if women come on here because they desperately need help, support and kindness. If someone is repetitive so bloody what? It's not going to cause the bottom to fall out of another member's world is it?
I hope you are as well as can be expected Vicky. It's going to take time to find a regime that works.
Aww Mary i love you you are so sweet to me all the time what a lovely lady yiu are....thank you xxxxx
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So please Ayshea I'd like to thank you for any support you may have given, but I must admit i dont get a good feeling when I see you have messaged me. So if it's ok....can you not message me and il do the same ? I'd appreciate it. Thank you .
I have never messaged you and never will.
I will also add I am not one of the women on here that complained about you.
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Hi can anyone please tell me how many mg tablets utrogesten to take vaginally to suppress the ovaries pls?
It's just a lady on here face me the idea. But im unsure how many 100mg tablets a day id need?
Thanks so much xxxxxx
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Vicky81 - this thread goes back several weeks so mayB ask your practitioner? He/she will know what else you are taking for any other medical issues; to be certain that nothing clashes!
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I know but im banned from posting anything new .
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Did the double cerelle not work Vicky?
I'm trying 1.5 cerazette now! :o
It's my understanding that you need to use a very high dose of utrogestan to supress. Hence why using mini pill is better as it's MUCH stronger.
But I'm not sure what the actual dosage would be.
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Which is where the prescribing practitioner would be advising ......... whilst we can share experiences here, we R not medics ........... so any questions should be posed to either the GP or Nurse Practitioner and if necessary, ask for a referral to a dedicated menopause clinic.
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Whilst I agree CLKD - no NHS doctor will prescribe utrogestan in doses that supress.
Just like no doctor will prescribe my 1.5 cerazette. But my GP is aware that I am trying this as I'm so desperate for relief.
Some of us are so outside the realms of 'mainstream' that we need to think outside the box. And often have to lead on this. I do wish it weren't like this. But it's the reason we are on this forum.
Vicky - there are plenty FB groups that discuss high doses of utrogestan. X
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Whilst I agree CLKD - no NHS doctor will prescribe utrogestan in doses that supress.
Just like no doctor will prescribe my 1.5 cerazette. But my GP is aware that I am trying this as I'm so desperate for relief.
Some of us are so outside the realms of 'mainstream' that we need to think outside the box. And often have to lead on this. I do wish it weren't like this. But it's the reason we are on this forum.
Vicky - there are plenty FB groups that discuss high doses of utrogestan. X
Well I. On zoley now ....only 2 days in not sure if it'll work.
I've got a teams call on wed woth a private gynae as im struggling. See whst she recommends as I need to be suppressed. Xxx
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That's good Vicky. Hopefully the private gynae can help.
I totally understand. I'm also seeking supression.
What happened with the double cerelle? Id have expected full supression with that.
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Whilst I agree CLKD - no NHS doctor will prescribe utrogestan in doses that supress.
Just like no doctor will prescribe my 1.5 cerazette. But my GP is aware that I am trying this as I'm so desperate for relief.
Some of us are so outside the realms of 'mainstream' that we need to think outside the box. And often have to lead on this. I do wish it weren't like this. But it's the reason we are on this forum.
Vicky - there are plenty FB groups that discuss high doses of utrogestan. X
So whyvwont the gp prescri e utrogesten to suppress? Does it have to be a gynae? Cos im seeing one on wed
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I mean, you might find one that does. But utrogestan is used to protect the endometrium as part of HRT in the NHS at uni supressing doses. End of.
What u and I are trying to do, is find suppression with tools most doctors don't use in this way.
You'll be much better asking the gynae.
That's why I came hack on CLKD's response. It's not helpful folk saying ask your doctor. You and I are here having to pay out a lot of money to ask doctors...and even then, we might not be helped.
There is nothing wrong with asking on this forum - someone may have been through it before. It's not like you can take mega doses of utrogestan without a doctor prescribing it anyway. But sometimes WE need to lead the doctor to let us try something!
Ask away Vicky!
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I would suggest by-passing the Gynaecologist and seeing a dedicated menopause specialist.
Vicky81 - there should be a Nurse Practitioner at your surgery if the GP isn't clear in what can be prescribed in the NHS - she should be able to listen, advise and direct. We are not medics on here and it does seem that not many Members have had the problems that U and CrispyChick are experiencing.
Have U read the information at the top in the pink line = Menopause, Treatments etc.?
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I mean, you might find one that does. But utrogestan is used to protect the endometrium as part of HRT in the NHS at uni supressing doses. End of.
What u and I are trying to do, is find suppression with tools most doctors don't use in this way.
You'll be much better asking the gynae.
That's why I came hack on CLKD's response. It's not helpful folk saying ask your doctor. You and I are here having to pay out a lot of money to ask doctors...and even then, we might not be helped.
There is nothing wrong with asking on this forum - someone may have been through it before. It's not like you can take mega doses of utrogestan without a doctor prescribing it anyway. But sometimes WE need to lead the doctor to let us try something!
Ask away Vicky!
Agreed, there is nothing wrong with asking on the forum, that's what it's for particularly as so many women on here have clueless doctors who have virtually zero knowledge of the menopause and HRT.
Time and time again we have women on here who are getting no help whatsoever from their GP, they often can't afford private menopause treatment and they are barely holding it together (many have had to give up work) so they come here for advice and I personally feel duty bound to offer it.
CLKD, when you suggest women seek help from a menopause specialist I hope you mean a private specialist because the NHS menopause clinics are oversubscribed with waiting lists of up to a year which is about as much good as a chocolate teapot for someone who is desperate.
Vicky, Utrogestan is not a good choice for suppressing FSH and LH. Synthetic progesterone is far more potent.
Why did you stop the Cerazette?
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Indeed Mary. .
Yes clkd there are less woman in this hell hole that Vicky and I find ourselves in. Lucky them!
But I've had some great help and ideas over the years and, quite frankly, I doubt I'd still be here if I'd simply stuck with the NHS.
It is forums like this that give us hope. Other women's real experiences and advice.
I've had plenty private messages from woman who have been through hell. They dont all public ally post (can't think why?!) And the topic 'can peri really make me this ill' was enlightening.
Those that cant help, generally scroll past, or leave some nice supportive comments. :-*
There is no need to continually post on someone's thread to tell them to seek medical advice. Of course they are doing that too. But it takes time. My specialist (paid for appointment) is in Jan. But I'm in a desperate state right now. Why should I not post, seek support and possibly some new ideas?
And, lordy, why on earth can Vicky not??? She's already been blocked from creating new posts. Enough harm done to this poor lass.
She simply asked a question!!!!
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Getting onto a dedicated waiting list for both NHS and Private, of which there are long waits, is important. Also being able to take a 'cancellation' slot at short notice might help.
Sadly all waiting lists are long these days ........... due to not enough GPs at Surgeries = worried people going to A&E . There R no inter-hospital referrals either, every 1 has to be 'referred back to GP' which means more waiting lists, instead of being treated between specialities where necessary. No wonder the. NHS can't meet government targets!
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Indeed Mary. .
Yes clkd there are less woman in this hell hole that Vicky and I find ourselves in. Lucky them!
But I've had some great help and ideas over the years and, quite frankly, I doubt I'd still be here if I'd simply stuck with the NHS.
It is forums like this that give us hope. Other women's real experiences and advice.
I've had plenty private messages from woman who have been through hell. They dont all public ally post (can't think why?!) And the topic 'can peri really make me this ill' was enlightening.
Those that cant help, generally scroll past, or leave some nice supportive comments. :-*
There is no need to continually post on someone's thread to tell them to seek medical advice. Of course they are doing that too. But it takes time. My specialist (paid for appointment) is in Jan. But I'm in a desperate state right now. Why should I not post, seek support and possibly some new ideas?
And, lordy, why on earth can Vicky not??? She's already been blocked from creating new posts. Enough harm done to this poor lass.
She simply asked a question!!!!
Well said Crispy, no one should be cross examined, given the third degree on this forum when desperately looking for answers and finding they have to step outside the box when conventional treatment doesn't work. I've learned that for myself and thankfully I have young GP's that agree, they like the fact because of social media patients are well educated on matters HRT.
As for Vicky, she has history on the forum from three years ago where she took over the threads with demands and rants and shouting for attention. Its not the way to behave on a forum.
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Anyone feeling at their very worst may not post in a way to suit others is that not understandable ?
I’ve noticed that often an afternoon/evening post differs from one posted in the morning or early hours of the night.
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Just needed alot of help at that time I dont remember shouting that's not me.....desperation id say.
I dont hurt anyone at all.
I dont like seeing anyone hurt or treated unfairly.
But when anxiety and desperation take over it hurts your soul and all you eant is that comfort.
I'd never do harm to anyone.
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Sorry yes it is a menk specialist im seeing via the computer on wed. My partner paid for it i just asked him .
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Sorry yes it is a meno specialist im seeing via the computer on wed. My partner paid for it i just asked him .
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Hi bomb can yu tell me if Lucette (same as yasmin) is high enough to suppress ovaries? I was on yasmin til about q5 weeks ago when something webt wrong with yhe SHGB and I gusvkvered my I aries were coming alive after 2 years or so.
I've skd a gynae online who sats its unlikely to happen again and its something to do with low testosterone?? Something something....ive posted a other question to him as i dont wabt the same thing happening again .
So in Lucette its - 0.03mg ethyinestrodiol and 3.mg . Idrospirenone. I start it tonight as slynd mace me vomit in the end .
Always wanted to go back on a combi pill
But wanted the facts first that it wouldn't unsuppress my ovaries afain ....says kine lots times it doesn't do this and the dr saud it wouldn't. The question im podlsing to him next ...waiting 4 repky ....is why did this occur and will it happen again,( I know i asked him this but thought id double check)
So what do yiu think? Will it suppress? Is it enough? Thanks my love xxxxx
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Oops sorry 4 typos was in car .bumpy road