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Title: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on July 20, 2023, 03:53:53 PM
An update as promised regarding my vaginal yeast infection. Had another swab sent off to be cultured. Still have heavy yeast growth. Was prescribed another two Fluconazole tablets, so hoping these shift it. Think Deidre said she had two lots of Fluconazole tablets before she was better. Tingling all gone, achiness not gone completely, but improving. Had two good days this week. Read that something called yeast die off period can cause the muscles to ache, hopefully meaning the tablets are getting rid of the fungal infection. Doctor did say thrush can affect the muscles in the vagina as can the Atrophy. Pleased I have not had any itching to contend with. Thank you for responding on previous posts. Replies always appreciated.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on July 20, 2023, 05:06:29 PM
What will the GP suggest should this treatment not work?  There has to be a reason for an over-growth of candida.  It was the itchyness high up that was so aggravating!
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on July 20, 2023, 05:09:27 PM
I have yet to find out CLKD. I’m crossing everything that this treatment does work. Thanks for responding.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on July 20, 2023, 05:12:28 PM
I hope that treatment knocks this on its head!  It can be hard work to get it sorted.  LIVE yoghurt ;-) eaten and applied.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Flossieteacake on July 20, 2023, 05:16:51 PM
Thank you for the update. When I have thrush I have aches and pains and feel unwell too. I hope the thrush goes and the two tablets do the job.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on July 20, 2023, 05:32:48 PM
Thanks Flossieteacake. It’s the aches and pains I cannot tolerate. The pain is similar to toothache. I think I need to man up.  ::) Hoping it goes after taking Saturday’s second tablet. Crossing everything.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: LDP on July 20, 2023, 05:53:13 PM
With my heavy thrush overgrowth I ended up having 3 flucozanle tablets each taken 72 hours apart  - 3 TIMES before it finally started to improve and eventually go.   I also combined with ibuprofen on the last course as read an article that said it was effective to be used for Candida.  (If you google ibuprofen for thrush you will see the article).
 I was on holiday in Spain where you can buy flucozanle over counter and it is sold in packs of 4.  (Pessaries prescribed by GP prior to going away had failed). 
I hope you feel better soon
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on July 22, 2023, 11:32:36 AM
Thanks LDP for responding. Did you have an achy feeling? Have one more fluconazole tablet to take this pm. Hoping it shifts it. Sent a message yesterday on Ask My GP to a doctor asking for a cream to use internally. PN answered, obviously didn’t read any of my notes. First question had I had a swab ? Yes, two both showing heavy yeast growth. I then asked for a cream I could use internally to shift the aching. She eventually agreed to this.  I know yeast affects all the nerves down there. Well a few hours later my prescription was sent to Boots and I was hopeful only to find it was an external cream. Used it externally, slept well but achy again today. I ordered some canesten internal cream to use tonight from Amazon. Let’s hope this cream and my last Fluconazole will finally shift my heavy yeast. Replies appreciated.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on July 22, 2023, 03:32:57 PM
Becareful with that 'caneston' ........... it made me burn for hours  :'(
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on July 22, 2023, 03:50:59 PM
Thanks CLKD will use it very sparingly. It has burnt me in the past. Just got to try it getting desperate now. Had a good few hours yesterday and a good nights sleep. Today has not been so good. Just need rid of this toothache like pain. Doctors surgery are pretty useless. I no it’s not life threatening but it sure takes over your life. Will keep you posted.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on July 22, 2023, 04:04:49 PM
 :foryou:
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on July 22, 2023, 04:13:25 PM
Ah! CLKD how kind.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on July 22, 2023, 04:27:06 PM
Repeated thrush can be demoralising  >:(
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: LDP on July 22, 2023, 04:51:26 PM
Midnight Shadow I do totally know how you are feeling and hope you get some let up soon.  Yes I experienced terrible aching and soreness - I would highly recommend ibuprofen to help with this and resting - don’t try to carry on as normal I think it makes things worse. 
Agree canestan cream can burn…and I’m not sure it did anything for me.  I think you may be better with a soft  pessary.  Prior to taking the tablets my GP tried 7 days of pessaries but they were hard ones and did not dissolve properly at all and did not cure it although gave some relief.
Be aware that the anti fungal tablet only works on vaginal secretions for 72  hours so it could feel OK and like it’s gone away but then this wears off. 
The nurses and GP at my surgery seemed to believe one tablet would do the trick but this was not at all the case at all  hence I took matters into my own hands - taking more tablets.  keep positive if you can - it will pass!
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on July 22, 2023, 05:00:33 PM
Thank you LDP for your reassuring response. I have had a very lazy day. Just hoping the canesten doesn’t burn. I will try to man up and stay positive. Not easy I know, but will give it a go.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Dierdre on July 22, 2023, 09:45:55 PM
I've just been prescribed another oral tablet as the pessary didn't dissolve as I was too dry with atrophy, plus it caused cramps and burning.
Trying ibuprofen also as I've read it helps with thrush,  antimicrobial as well as  anti inflamatory. 
Been taking it easy today as was feeling unwell too.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Minusminnie on July 23, 2023, 06:39:12 AM

 I was on holiday in Spain where you can buy flucozanle over counter and it is sold in packs of 4.  (Pessaries prescribed by GP prior to going away had failed). 


The nurses and GP at my surgery seemed to believe one tablet would do the trick but this was not at all the case at all  hence I took matters into my own hands - taking more tablets.  keep positive if you can - it will pass!

Just out of interest can you remember or noted if was there an age limit on buying the fluconazole tablets in Spain ?  Buying the 150mg tablet here is between 16 and 60 and i've found that you get asked at the pharmacy.
Were your packs of 4 150mg each ?
I'm just wondering if something seemingly okay in Spain is not here. Thanks for any reply.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on July 23, 2023, 07:20:54 AM
Thanks for all your replies ladies, very reassuring. Used the Canesten cream last night and it didn’t seem to burn. So that was a bonus. Plus, I slept well. Just got to wait for the cream to do its magic.  Fingers crossed. Hope everyone can have a fairly relaxing day.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on July 23, 2023, 08:29:26 AM
No idea Minusminie - sorry
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Minusminnie on July 23, 2023, 08:38:32 AM
That's ok ...i was asking of LDP's experience in Spain really....

Apologises Midnight Shadow if highjacking a thread and hope you feel better again today.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on July 23, 2023, 08:42:51 AM
Perhaps put 'buying HRT in Spain' in the search box ..........
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Dierdre on July 23, 2023, 08:52:51 AM

 I was on holiday in Spain where you can buy flucozanle over counter and it is sold in packs of 4.  (Pessaries prescribed by GP prior to going away had failed). 


The nurses and GP at my surgery seemed to believe one tablet would do the trick but this was not at all the case at all  hence I took matters into my own hands - taking more tablets.  keep positive if you can - it will pass!

Just out of interest can you remember or noted if was there an age limit on buying the fluconazole tablets in Spain ?  Buying the 150mg tablet here is between 16 and 60 and i've found that you get asked at the pharmacy.
Were your packs of 4 150mg each ?
I'm just wondering if something seemingly okay in Spain is not here. Thanks for any reply.

Never needed in Spain so sorry don't know, have you googled it?

I lied at Boots last time and said I was 59 after an interagation in front of a queue!
My doctor has just prescribed another oral 150mg dose of fluconazole. What happens after 60? Are we not supposed to get thrush then?

Hope it works this time Midnight Shadow, to be honest I don't think 1 dose of any of these products work very often and you have to buy 2. Money making maybe at £13 a pop.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Wrensong on July 23, 2023, 09:01:13 AM
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What happens after 60? Are we not supposed to get thrush then?
I'd wondered that myself.  Does anyone know the reasoning?  I'm over 60 (just) but wasn't questioned buying it OTC a few weeks ago at my local pharmacy where they know my age.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Minusminnie on July 23, 2023, 09:02:41 AM

 I was on holiday in Spain where you can buy flucozanle over counter and it is sold in packs of 4.  (Pessaries prescribed by GP prior to going away had failed). 


The nurses and GP at my surgery seemed to believe one tablet would do the trick but this was not at all the case at all  hence I took matters into my own hands - taking more tablets.  keep positive if you can - it will pass!

Just out of interest can you remember or noted if was there an age limit on buying the fluconazole tablets in Spain ?  Buying the 150mg tablet here is between 16 and 60 and i've found that you get asked at the pharmacy.
Were your packs of 4 150mg each ?
I'm just wondering if something seemingly okay in Spain is not here. Thanks for any reply.

Never needed in Spain so sorry don't know, have you googled it?

I lied at Boots last time and said I was 59 after an interagation in front of a queue!
My doctor has just prescribed another oral 150mg dose of fluconazole. What happens after 60? Are we not supposed to get thrush then?

Hope it works this time Midnight Shadow, to be honest I don't think 1 dose of any of these products work very often and you have to buy 2. Money making maybe at £13 a pop.
Thanks I will wait to see if LDP replies......

I've been quizzed at the pharmacy too Dierdre ! can't understand it when i am only 21  ;)
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Minusminnie on July 23, 2023, 09:04:38 AM
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What happens after 60? Are we not supposed to get thrush then?
I'd wondered that myself.  Does anyone know the reasoning?  I'm over 60 (just) but wasn't questioned buying it OTC a few weeks ago at my local pharmacy where they know my age.

When i looked it up it was to do with your kidney function at over 60.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: LDP on July 23, 2023, 09:07:07 AM
experience in Spain:
- no age restriction I could see in leaflet
- no questions asked at all - pharmacy didn’t bat an eyelid just asked me how many boxes of 4 I needed
- SO much cheaper (as is often case with medication in Spain compared to UK) approx €12 for 4 tablets

The over 60 rule in UK…thought about this a lot when I had the heavy overgrowth and did a lot of googling …found this…

“Appropriate studies performed to date have not demonstrated geriatric-specific problems that would limit the usefulness of fluconazole in the elderly. However, elderly patients are more likely to have age-related kidney problems, which may require an adjustment in the dose for patients receiving fluconazole.”

I don’t class myself as “elderly” or geriatric, I think it’s ultra ultra cautious quite rubbish.  I do understand they don’t want over 60s to diagnose self and to be treating right thing but a. When you have had a positive swab this doesn’t seem applicable and b. Surely this applies to every age???!

In short I could not see any red flags to taking the extra tablets (spaced out appropriately) to get rid of the thrush and tbh the way I was feeling mentally I thought it was worth it as just taking positive step made me feel better in myself.
Hope this is helpful
PS they were 150 mg tablets
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: LDP on July 23, 2023, 09:09:24 AM
Just an extra note - Could find no evidence that flucozanle damaged kidneys rather it may not be wise to take IF you have kidney condition
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Wrensong on July 23, 2023, 09:10:27 AM
Thanks LDP & Minusminnie, the reasoning re over 60s makes more sense now.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Minusminnie on July 23, 2023, 09:17:08 AM
Yoh....Thanks for all that information LDP. Very informative and helpful.
Sounds like you've been proactive and more able to be so in Spain.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Dierdre on July 23, 2023, 09:24:45 AM
Thanks LDP.
I was quite miffed when asked my age too Minusminnie! Didnt mind when they used to ask when buying alcohol many years ago but this was a reality check  :'(
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on July 23, 2023, 09:47:20 AM
I don’t have a kidney condition, but I do have three kidneys. So I guess better to be safe than sorry. Still have the achiness but I guess it’s early days. Going to contact surgery tomorrow to see what strain of yeast it is. Don’t tell you much at my surgery. Thanks for all your responses. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on July 23, 2023, 10:31:51 AM
Drink lots! Is it an 'extra' kidney or a small piece growing on one of the other 2? 
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on July 23, 2023, 11:33:31 AM
Hi CLKD it’s an extra kidney. Just like to be different.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on July 23, 2023, 03:30:13 PM
How did U find that out?   I know someone with a 'knob' of a kidney growing on 1 of the others, enough to have to drink plenty  ::)
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on July 23, 2023, 08:20:48 PM
Some years ago I went for a kidney scan when I kept getting UTIS. The surgery also wanted to rule out diabetes. I was rather amazed when the lady doing the scan said did you know you have 3 kidneys. Hence, I do need to drink a lot of water. Told a member of staff at school I worked with I’m in your brothers club now I have three kidneys. Her reply was no, your not he has 4. We laughed about this. Thanks for all your concern. Had a slightly better day. Long may it continue. Think of finding out the strain of my yeast tomorrow, so my give the surgery a call.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on July 24, 2023, 08:40:19 AM
4  :o  :D
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on August 03, 2023, 08:09:20 AM
An update on my 3rd vaginal swab. I still have heavy yeast growth. Lady doctor has now prescribed 2 Clotrimazole pessaries 500mg, one to be taken on day 1 and another on day 4. These are strong pessaries which she hopes finger crossed will rid this wretched yeast infection. I was told I could continue my vagifem. The last 3 vagifem pessaries used whilst I had this thrush infection caused my body to ache particularly arms, legs and hands. Thought last night here goes I will use another vagifem. After 10mins of insertion the aches started. Spoke to another lady Doctor this am about this and she advised stopping the vagifem and restarting gradually in a fortnight when hopefully the yeast infection has cleared. She did say they are very strong pessaries. I am crossing everything that these latest pessaries work. She also said,  it was unusual for a 65 year old lady to get thrush. Hey ho, I like to be different. Could there be some inter reaction from the yeast infection and the vagifem? Has anyone had a similar experience to this? Replies very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on August 03, 2023, 08:29:03 AM
Morning. How awful -  :foryou:   :thankyou:  for your update.

There must be a reason for this continual over growth of yeast.  Hopefully the pessaries will work, I would suspect that it wasn't the vagifem as such that caused the aches.  Does it list any side effects in the leaflet in the box?

Feet up.  Rest. 

Would a LIVE yoghurt eaten several times a day, after the pessaries have 'done their work', help from top to bottom to cleanse the digestive tract? 
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on August 03, 2023, 09:20:41 AM
Thanks for responding CLKD. Will get some live yoghurt today. I do eat Soya yoghurt but that isn’t live. Yes, there are lots of side effects from Vagifem. Doctor hadn’t come across my side effects, so thought it could be thrush aggravated. She was very hopeful that the pessaries will work. It would appear that I am in Candida Die of period. It can take 3/10 days for all the toxins to rid the body. If that is the case, I will be a new women. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Wrensong on August 03, 2023, 09:33:23 AM
Oh, Midnight Shadow, what a trial for you.  I am sorry.

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Could there be some inter reaction from the yeast infection and the vagifem?
I thought vaginal oestrogen was said to predispose us to development of thrush & this (below) is what the Vagifem PIL says, but I imagine you'll already know that & that it's not really what you're asking here?

https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/files/pil.5719.pdf

"4. Possible side effects

Uncommon: may affect up to 1 in 100 people
• An infection of the genitals caused by a fungus"

I really hope the medication gets rid of it for you this time.  I agree with CLKD about the yoghurt, unless you suffer from histamine intolerance.
Wx
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on August 03, 2023, 10:24:54 AM
LIVE not necessarily 'natural' ;-).  Eaten and applied but do keep both tubs separate .  When my dog had chemotherapy she developed heart burn and loved a large dollop of LIVE from a spoon.  What would be symptoms of histamine intolerance?
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Ann B on August 03, 2023, 10:51:24 AM
Hi M.S.

I am no expert on yeast infection.  I was doing some research around the issue to find a natural preventative and came across quite a bit of beneficial anecdotal information on certain formulations of oral probiotic capsules.

If you look at the reviews on Amazon and other sites - 'Garden of Life' Dr Formulated probiotic capsules get positive reports from those who have failed on Fluconazole etc.

These types of probiotic are along the similar treatment approach of yoghurt and kefir, but incorporates specific known strains of lactobacilli that benefit the gut and vaginal microbiome.

I have taken my first one today.  I also make my own kefir.  I would like to take more kefir but it has a constipating effect on me.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on August 03, 2023, 11:36:13 AM
Thank you for all your responses. Have been out and purchased some live yoghurt and am now going to look at the Garden of Life probiotics. Your thoughtful replies are much appreciated.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Wrensong on August 03, 2023, 11:41:25 AM
CLKD
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What would be symptoms of histamine intolerance?
Maybe have a look at Louise1976's thread on urticaria - I have just posted a link there on histamine intolerance.  Won't paste it in here as not relevant to Midnight Shadow's concerns.
Wx
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on August 03, 2023, 11:54:03 AM
Please could Ann B just clarify The Garden of Life probiotics are in the pink box. I don’t want to buy the wrong ones. Thank you.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Ann B on August 03, 2023, 12:11:52 PM
HI M.S.

I don't know if I am allowed to put a direct link on this site.

It was 'Dr. Formulated Probiotics for Women & Prebiotics, 50 Billion CFU for Women’s Daily Digestive Vaginal & Immune Health,16 Probiotic Strains' 50 Billion Guaranteed.

It is available on Amazon and in a pink box.  Double-check by reading some of the reviews where the anecdotes mention the benefits for those who had been unsuccessful with other treatments for yeast infections.

I would advise only trying one treatment at a time, otherwise if successful you won't know which one worked ie was it the yoghurt or was it the probiotic pills etc?   

Ann
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on August 03, 2023, 12:24:44 PM
Thanks for the swift response Ann. Going to order some now.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Ann B on August 03, 2023, 12:34:40 PM
Hi M.S.

Please read the reviews on Amazon first.  I found the anecdotes quite positive so thought I would give it a try.  There are no guarantees with these natural remedies.

The company's website is www.garden of life

They have another probiotic there that they market for the same purpose.  Please read their reviews also.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Dierdre on August 03, 2023, 02:29:24 PM
An update on my 3rd vaginal swab. I still have heavy yeast growth. Lady doctor has now prescribed 2 Clotrimazole pessaries 500mg, one to be taken on day 1 and another on day 4. These are strong pessaries which she hopes finger crossed will rid this wretched yeast infection. I was told I could continue my vagifem. The last 3 vagifem pessaries used whilst I had this thrush infection caused my body to ache particularly arms, legs and hands. Thought last night here goes I will use another vagifem. After 10mins of insertion the aches started. Spoke to another lady Doctor this am about this and she advised stopping the vagifem and restarting gradually in a fortnight when hopefully the yeast infection has cleared. She did say they are very strong pessaries. I am crossing everything that these latest pessaries work. She also said,  it was unusual for a 65 year old lady to get thrush. Hey ho, I like to be different. Could there be some inter reaction from the yeast infection and the vagifem? Has anyone had a similar experience to this? Replies very much appreciated.

The vagifem really burned me when I had thrush.
The pessaries will probably cause cramping as it's one of the side effects and it says on the leaflet not to use any other vaginal products with the pessary. I couldn't tolerate the pessary as I was so dry it wouldn't dissolve and just burned and cramped when it did start to dissolve after two days. I was them prescribed the oral one dose tablet that are quite strong and cause cramp too but finally worked, for now anyway.
I've had thrush 4 times since May and 67 years old, so not so unusual.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on August 03, 2023, 04:11:31 PM
Thanks for responding Deidre. I didn't really think it was that unusual to get thrush at my age. I did think it odd that I could use Vagifem the following night after using the pessary. So pleased you got relief. Obviously my strain of yeast, whatever that may be didn't work well with the fluconazole tablets. Oh to be a man!
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on August 03, 2023, 04:14:49 PM
Men get thrush too ;-)

Tnx Wrensong and Ann B - though posting links that advertise/sell products is not recommended on the Forum.  Worth trying though by the sound of it.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Dierdre on August 03, 2023, 09:37:16 PM
Thanks for responding Deidre. I didn't really think it was that unusual to get thrush at my age. I did think it odd that I could use Vagifem the following night after using the pessary. So pleased you got relief. Obviously my strain of yeast, whatever that may be didn't work well with the fluconazole tablets. Oh to be a man!
I think sometimes it just takes more than one dose of any of the treatments to completely clear it.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Jane_w on August 03, 2023, 10:32:25 PM
My experience over the last 2yrs has shown me that candida infections are not unusual at all post menopause. I won't go into great detail here but I'm still on my own journey to rid myself of thrush which has plagued me and has recurred after several rounds of fluconazole (prescribed). I'm currently awaiting an appt with an infection specialist after seeing a vulval specialist who declared me 'a healthy young 55yr old' with everything down below (apparently) in good order which was nice but didn't explain my ongoing, dreadful problem!. Using local oestrogen (estriol for a while followed by vagifem) made things a whole lot worse for me. I've also been tested for diabetes which came back negative. A couple of things that have helped me: dermasilk undies which are amazing (but expensive), optibac probiotics for women (i take x2 a day) and I am now washing all bedding and towels at 60° with an anti fungal pre wash (eradicil and/or fongex) - this was advised by my gp practice nurse. Don't underestimate the possibility of re infection from bedding, towels, underwear etc if you are susceptible. It's a real nightmare and I have a feeling this might be more common than anyone realises.. i hope this helps..
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on August 04, 2023, 06:58:20 AM
Thanks for that response Jane. Hadn’t thought about changing the bedding and the infection spreading and washing at 60 degrees. Will give this a whirl. Did you encounter an aching feeling with your thrush? I have one more clotrimazole pessary to take Saturday evening. Crossing everything that works. Take care.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Jane_w on August 04, 2023, 09:33:49 AM
Well, what started all of this initially for me was dreadful aching and pain (internal) that I thought was a uti. I don't want to hijack your post by going into loads of detail about my experience and it may not be helpful.. but certainly using local oestrogen on top of what I now know was (still is) a nasty recurring yeast infection didn't help me at all. I really would advise being super cautious about the re infection thing (bed linen especially) and I'd recommend washing undies on a hot wash or with a laundry sanitiser pre-soak if you can. I hope things start to improve for you soon...
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on August 04, 2023, 10:44:58 AM
If your washing machine has a good rinse and spin cycle, there shouldn't be any residual powder etc. left behind in anything.  I haven't used any 'comfort'-type preparations for 3 years, if laundry smells 'good' after, the rinse cycle isn't enough. 'comfort' etc. can leave residue. This has produced a better result here: 60D for sheets and towels, 40 for other clothing and 30 x 30 for 'delicates'. 

Sometimes even so my laundry feels sticky: haven't worked out why yet :-\ - so I put it through another 30 mins rinse cycle at 30degrees, B4 hanging it on the line without spinning it.  Occasionally of course it gets a heavenly rinse  >:(  ::) /several times. 

Candida thrives on sugars.  It also dwells in the back passage to toilet hygiene is important. 

Stop using pads ;-).  These may well cause sweating 'below' and cotton knickers will allow the area to breathe.  Or go without .........
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Dierdre on August 04, 2023, 12:37:21 PM
Thanks for that response Jane. Hadn’t thought about changing the bedding and the infection spreading and washing at 60 degrees. Will give this a whirl. Did you encounter an aching feeling with your thrush? I have one more clotrimazole pessary to take Saturday evening. Crossing everything that works. Take care.

I get aching with thrush, although it's not stated as one of the symtoms I've come across it on other forums.  Also I've read estrogen feeds thrush so we're literally feeding it with local estrogen.
I always wash my pants on 60 then hot tumble dry as I don't use wash powder.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on August 04, 2023, 02:35:09 PM
For any stains we used a salt soak in a cold basin overnight B4 a hot wash.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Minusminnie on August 04, 2023, 05:01:20 PM
My experience over the last 2yrs has shown me that candida infections are not unusual at all post menopause. I won't go into great detail here but I'm still on my own journey to rid myself of thrush which has plagued me and has recurred after several rounds of fluconazole (prescribed). I'm currently awaiting an appt with an infection specialist after seeing a vulval specialist who declared me 'a healthy young 55yr old' with everything down below (apparently) in good order which was nice but didn't explain my ongoing, dreadful problem!. Using local oestrogen (estriol for a while followed by vagifem) made things a whole lot worse for me. I've also been tested for diabetes which came back negative. A couple of things that have helped me: dermasilk undies which are amazing (but expensive), optibac probiotics for women (i take x2 a day) and I am now washing all bedding and towels at 60° with an anti fungal pre wash (eradicil and/or fongex) - this was advised by my gp practice nurse. Don't underestimate the possibility of re infection from bedding, towels, underwear etc if you are susceptible. It's a real nightmare and I have a feeling this might be more common than anyone realises.. i hope this helps..

Thank you for this informative post.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on August 05, 2023, 08:17:30 AM
Thank you all for your positive responses. I am improving very slowly. Have read that the Candida die off period can make symptoms worse before it gets better. Apparently, this means the toxins are being released from the body. It can cause muscle aches and pains and many other symptoms. Hadn't heard of this before. Have one more pessary to use tonight, so hoping that will be the end of it all. Started eating my live Yoghurt thanks CLKD for that recommendation and to Ann B for recommending the Garden of Life prebiotic had my first one this morning. Should hopefully be a new woman soon. Don't know where we would be without websites like this. Find it reassuring, that I am not completely mad. Thanks again for all your support.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on August 05, 2023, 08:49:21 AM
All the World is mad: except you and me and even you are a little bit ............  :whist:  ;)

Having had thrush following emergency surgery, ever since when undergoing elective ops I've started eating LIVE yoghurt the week B4 admission.  I think it was caused by the gut being empty prior to being in hospital. 
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on August 05, 2023, 08:54:08 AM
 :bighug: :bighug: :thankyou:
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Dierdre on August 05, 2023, 03:28:32 PM
Thank you all for your positive responses. I am improving very slowly. Have read that the Candida die off period can make symptoms worse before it gets better. Apparently, this means the toxins are being released from the body. It can cause muscle aches and pains and many other symptoms. Hadn't heard of this before. Have one more pessary to use tonight, so hoping that will be the end of it all. Started eating my live Yoghurt thanks CLKD for that recommendation and to Ann B for recommending the Garden of Life prebiotic had my first one this morning. Should hopefully be a new woman soon. Don't know where we would be without websites like this. Find it reassuring, that I am not completely mad. Thanks again for all your support.

I'd not heard of the candida die off untill recently having thrush so often and then googling why I felt so awful about 3 days after treatment. It's like it gets worse before it gets better because of the toxins released from the dying yeast cells. At least though you know the treatment has worked and the candida is dead.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on August 05, 2023, 03:38:25 PM
Thanks for responding Deidre. Yes, hopefully the yeast is dead. As you say, it does get worse before it gets better. Hopefully, after using my final pessary tonight it will be dead for good. Apparently the die off period takes longer to release all the toxins if the Thrush was severe and heavy which mine apparently was. It can take up to 3 - 10 days to rid it all.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Dierdre on August 06, 2023, 08:48:46 AM
Hope it works this time then, it's so depressing and debilitating, you wouldnt believe a yeast infection could cause so much misery.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on August 06, 2023, 11:31:09 AM
It's interesting in a weird kind of way about the toxins moving from the body, not something that I had considered.

I do know that: a bit of a meander, this: when my friend made beer he had a bowl of live yeast in his fridge  :o - I wouldn't go near it!  In case it grabbed me ..........
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on August 06, 2023, 11:38:27 AM
Quite agree CLKD and Deidre. Hadn’t considered the toxins moving from the body and not a thing I have ever heard of. Just came up when I was Googling my symptoms. Agree with Deidre thrush is depressing and debilitating. Hopefully on the way to a good recovery now. Take care ladies.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: katMB on August 12, 2023, 07:36:08 AM
Hello, sorry I didn’t read every single post on this thread so someone may have mentioned it already. But have you tried gyno-daktarin for persistent thrush?
This was prescribed for me by my GP as everything else had failed to improve my condition. I still do get bouts of thrush but when I use the gyno-daktarin it can clear up for months at a time.
I also have to try to completely eliminate sugar and wheat from my diet. Very difficult to do but it really helps as fungal infections thrive on sugar.
Someone also recommended optibac probiotic for women. They are capsules to be taken orally but you can apparently use them internally? Not sure how true this is though but thought I would mention it.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Midnight Shadow on August 12, 2023, 09:35:58 AM
Thank you for responding KatMB, no haven’t tried gyno- daktarin thrush treatment. I have to make an appointment with a lady Doctor this week who will do a swab test for me, when she sends it off to be cultured she will ask for a sensitivity test to determine the strain of the infection. I am surprised this isn’t done in the initial stages when the first swab is sent off. Would make more sense to me, to ensure we are on the correct medication.I am having better days but still not 100%. When I look in the mirror, I can see a clear sticky white discharge rather like lemon curd. (sorry if too much information) so maybe I still have thrush. The lady Doctor hadn’t heard of Candida die off period. Well she has now. I will let you know how I get on. Take care.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: Minusminnie on October 12, 2023, 02:45:38 PM
With my heavy thrush overgrowth I ended up having 3 flucozanle tablets each taken 72 hours apart  - 3 TIMES before it finally started to improve and eventually go.   I also combined with ibuprofen on the last course as read an article that said it was effective to be used for Candida.  (If you google ibuprofen for thrush you will see the article).
 I was on holiday in Spain where you can buy flucozanle over counter and it is sold in packs of 4.  (Pessaries prescribed by GP prior to going away had failed). 
I hope you feel better soon

Found it. There are further posts from LDP in thread.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: LDP on October 13, 2023, 08:48:47 AM
Hi I’ve just posted in the other thread. Hope this is helpful.
Title: Re: Update on vaginal yeast infection
Post by: CLKD on October 13, 2023, 08:54:21 AM
Midnight: nowt is too much info nor taboo on here!  That's exactly what thrush presents as although I didn't have the discharge, but OH the itching high up!  that was when I had stopped The Pill.