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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: CLKD on February 02, 2023, 09:49:47 PM
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I know that I am English. Although I haven't traced my family far back, I know that up until the late 1700s we are "English". Middle-class education, basics and no languages. We went to further education if we wanted to pursue a career, otherwise it was the land or factories.
A little French in ballet class.
When I lived in Wales I never thought of myself in another country - visiting Scotland is easy: because we are joined with no obvious Borders. No passport required. Had I known that I was going to live in Wales for a long time, I would have tackled the language. I experienced passive/aggressive aggravation .......
4 me it's the areas of England that R fun: Cornish pasties; Yorkshire puds; scones - jam or cream first? ; fish and chips on the coast ........ pin ball machines on a wet day. Also because not many went abroad whilst I was growing up we had nothing much to compare with?
Different kinds of enclosures across England: dry stone walls, hedging, metal or wooden fencing .........
Architecture - much is left over from the Norman Conquest, i.e. Churches and Cathedrals. Where fire didn't sweep through, there are many Tudor buildings. Our history is everywhere to see, whether it's the tiles that are used, landed Estates such as Chatsworth ........ what I feel is being 'me'. I can't explain what 'me' means.
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Don't know clkd,I'm Scottish ;D
My ancestors were vikings and my maiden name is very Nordic,my dads side was from the far north, I grew up in Caithness,my grandfather owned a farm up there and a lot of the places were named by the vikings e.g Thrumster,Lybster & Scrabster to name a few,all meaning North Star.
So you can see where my "naughtiness " comes from now clkd ;D
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Yep. Songbird was born in Scotland but proud to be British - just saying ;D
Born in the capital, had a gran who made kilts for the Scottish rugby team, was glad to get shot of my maiden surname as it was always laughed at when calling the register at school >:( and I like the sound of bagpipes (probably in the minority, I know! ;D)
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England doesn't have an identity as the other countries making up the UK. Ours are more regional: well dressing - Derbyshire; cheese rolling - Gloucestershire; dwyle flunking - Norfolk ..........
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Scotland- alcohol ;D
I like the bagpipes too songbird but not one on it's own,I love a pipe band with the drums etc.
Yep I'm British,not sure about being proud to be mind you.
Having lived in Wiltshire for 13 years (give or take) it's hard to judge England's identity,I suppose because it's so much bigger than Scotland,each region seems different,in attitudes I mean,whereas the Scots are pretty much the same wherever you go,they kinda,say it how it is,if you know what I mean. I loved my time in England though and hopefully we'll all stay together :-X
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Yep Jaypo, good point re being proud to be British at the moment 🤨 ;)
Forgot one thing re Scotland - haggis - yummy yummy on my postmenopausal tummy ;D
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I have never managed to catch a haggis ............. all that running through wet heather is Oh! So! Tiring ;D
I wonder whether England has been infiltrated by more cultures than the rest of the UK? Showing a lack of historical knowledge here.
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I think England is far more diverse than Scotland,I don't mean the cities here but north of Inverness but then it's way less populated there
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I have never managed to catch a haggis ............. all that running through wet heather is Oh! So! Tiring ;D
I wonder whether England has been infiltrated by more cultures than the rest of the UK? Showing a lack of historical knowledge here.
Ah, CLKD, you have to know what bait to use to catch a haggis. I'm an official breeder up here
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I was bread and buttered in London and think of myself as a Londoner before anything else (English or British). However, I can take any amount of bagpipes and haggis, though sadly not the whisky these days 😥.
Songbird, do you do mail order when your haggis are ripe? 😂 (And I had no idea the Scottish rugby team played in kilts, I should pay more attention! 🤣)
Jaypo, you have just reminded me of seeing the massed pipe bands on the telly, marching down to the late Queen's funeral. Truly a magnificent sound and sight, and somehow quite terrifying! Proves the Scots have style!
JP x
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Haha,isn't it the case joaniepat,that when we were at war with England,the English were put off guard by the kilted Scots running towards them? ;D Mind you,if they all looked like Mel Gibson, I'd be running towards them ;D
Has your haggis got the two short legs on one side songbird ;D
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Well, JP, I might need to look at mail order (such is the demand for this delicacy ;D). My gran had to insist that the lads were to wear pants under their kilts before running on to Twickenham ;D ;D….
Nope Jaypo, I bred the 2 short legs out of my breeding stock long ago ;D….
Geez, I need a doctor quick :rofl:
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I thought that they required two short and two long to stop them sliding down the hill ??? 8). I prefer those with short coats ......... the long hair gets into the teeth ;D
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:rofl: you're supposed to singe it off first, CLKD!
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I think we have all gone mad........maddER ;D
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I need to let DH know then ? If wrapped in clay, like hedgehogs, does the hair peel off?
Yorkshire puds
Cornish pasties
Clotted cream
Scones
Jellied eels
Pork Pies (Melton Mowbray)
Stilton cheese
Cheddar cheese
Wensleydale cheese
Leeks
Cawl
Haggis
Tablet
Iru bru
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Cranachan
Macaroni pie
Tattie scones
Lorne sausage
Scotch broth
Scottish cheddar ;D
Red pudding suppers
And of course......deep fried Mars bar,ah what a healthy bunch we are ;D
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I've eaten Cornish Cheddar this evening :-\ ....... on a baked spud :D
Cranachan - is that something that lives in a cave :o
Lorna Doone sausages ? - Exeter
Red pudding ........
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Oooh I love haggis :) especially when it's wild ;) We got the tinned variety once years ago and when OH opened the tin it exploded all over him ;D ;D
and cranachan is yummy too..............
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Lorne sausage is a square sausage clkd
Red pudding is also a kind of sausage (dread to think whats in it tbh) but I used to get one as a special treat from the chippy
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... and that thing that lives in a cave - Cranachan ?
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Ooh, nothing better than a roll with lorne sausage and tattie scone!
I'd rather have tiramisu than cranachan
(whisky :sick02:)
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You gals are the best! 8)
You lost me after haggis, but it’s been fun trying to decipher the culinary tips! ::)
I’m a Somerset lass, but the whole of the UK are my kith and kin :)
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Isn’t this forum brilliant? I don’t know about anyone else but I love having a laugh with you girls and, I agree, Marchlove, I feel like we are kith and kin (from John ‘O’ Groats to Land’s End) :-*…..
I feel a song coming on………. ;D ;D
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Being gf I can't have cranachan now >:( I remember it was on the menu on our cruise and the Indian waiter was such a laugh,he said.....hope I don't offend you but we call it the cold scotch porridge ;D
I agree,the whole country should be sticking together,I have met some amazing people across the whole of the U.K. and of course the brilliant women on here........even the English ones waaaaaaaaaaa clkd is going to boot me bum ;D ;D
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I’ll boot yer bum Jay! ;D
I’m from Birmingham, and the wonderful Black Country language. ( although, I have trouble sometimes deciphering some of my brothers words) ;D which is one of the oldest languages in the uk, can be traced back to the Saxons. ( I think).
Pie and mash, MUSHY PEAS, ;D and a good old curry, which is famous in brum. The Balti Triangle. The Balti being made famous by us brummies.
Ozzy Osbourne, UB40, Wizzard, Duran Duran. JRR Tolkien, grew up in Kings Heath. All came from Birmingham.
Birmingham Bullring, the markets can be traced back to the 12th century.
We’ve more canals here than Venice.
And of course, Cadbury Chocolate. 😋
The worlds first Odeon cinema opened here.
We’ve the Historic Jewellery Quarter,
AND Cluedo was invented here, as was Thomas the Tank Engine, and Rosie and Jim. ;D
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I beg to differ about Thomas - remind me, who wrote those stories.
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That’s it. I’m moving to Birmingham! Cadburys choccies, curries and jewellery quarter? -
I’d never be home ;D
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Reverend Wilbert and Christopher Awdry. Wilbert was reverend at St Nicolas’ church, Kings Norton.
So Thomas the Tank Engine was invented in Birmingham.
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Yep songbird,when Nicola rips our country apart you and me,off to Jill's house ;D that'll be nice for you Jill,bagsy the sofa
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Faaabulous….Butter chicken for me, Jill, followed by a family size dairy milk - sod the diet ;D ;D
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Not all of the stories jillydoll ;-)
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Your on. ;D
You bring the wine. wed be sorted. ;D
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Another scot here. There are regional variations up here too.
Like salt and SAUCE on your fish supper.
Chippy sauce. Love it. Or hate it.
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Forgot about that Crispy :)...Definitely salt and sauce in Edinburgh- salt and vinegar on the West Coast ;D
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What I missed the most from Aberdeen was Rowies or Butteries was the other name,used to buy them and get them sent down to Wiltshire ;D Can't eat them now though :( Gf and all that,probably just as well,about 5 million calories a bite
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I had to Google a Rowie, Jaypo, but I can tell you I’d looove it ;)
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Yep songbird they're an Aberdeen delicacy ;D
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Love salt and brown sauce on my Smoked Sausage Supper but salt and vinegar on my Fish Supper!
Another Scot here!
Stovies, but like them made with sausages and not corned beef.
Hubby loves a hot Scotch Pie (fresh from the butchers) on a buttered roll with the butter running out the side. Not so great for the low carb diet!
I'm another who would seriously consider moving if wee Nicola gets her independence. I'm away to make me a bowl of scots porridge oats for breakfast, although I cannot stomach the true Scottish way of making it with water and salt!
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Well Holidaylover, my mouth is watering! I love stovies with sausages too (with brown sauce). My dad used to love mince, dough balls, neeps and tatties. It was all a bit mushy but tasty ;D…..
The butteriest, crumbliest shortbread is hard to beat 😋
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Oh Songbird, DOUGHBALLS!! We called them doughboys! I have a beef casserole to go into the slo cooker for tea tonight and I am going to make doughballs. Great idea! I love them. In fact, when I was young and we had them in mince I could have sat with a whole plate of all the suety yuminess and done without the meat. Something very comforting about stodge! Love shortbread too, I make it for my Christmas hampers. And there was me, starting my diet this week!
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Hope you enjoy your lovely casserole tonight holidaylover. I love to make a nice beef casserole and hubby loves dumplings in them. He thinks it’s more refined than “dough balls”. Don’t have the heart to tell him it’s exactly the same thing :rofl:
I always remember (as a girl) my brother calling me a “doughball” when I did something silly -
charming >:(. ;D
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Holiday lover... A hot scotch pie on a buttered roll?!?! ;D ;D ;D that's genius.
Anyone like a macaroni pie :o
Lots of Scots on this English thread :)
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Macaroni pie - yummy. Don’t like the chicken curry pie mind you :sick02:
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I have no idea what you ladies are talking about except the fish and chips...which I like a lot ;D ;D
....Sorry...I'm Canadian....sorry... ;)
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Don't be sorry for being Canadian C.C ;D ;D you don't WANT to know what we're talking about,sooooo much unhealthy food 🙀
We get everywhere crispychick ;D
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Believe me, CC, you’d love a doughball ;D
Ok, you now need to tell us “what is being Canadian?” (And remember to let us know the yummy food too)…
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Did you ever watch still game songbird? There was a brilliant episode when they went to Canada
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Loved Still Game Jaypo but never saw that episode. I’ll need to check that out.
Scot Squad makes me howl with laughter. “Officer Kaaarrreenn” - hilarious ;D
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Obviously Scots have more history than the English.
So C.C. - how much UK heritage is in your gene line .... so foods may well have been carried over ..........
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Can anyone explain the difference between doughballs and dumplings please? Absolutely love dumplings in a stew, and doughballs sound interesting.
I think I must be an honarary Scot as I love haggis, neeps and tatties, Scotch pies (but never had them in a roll - that would be too much!), and cranachan :)
The things I think of as canadian have to be poutine (yuck) and beavertails (also yuck!), so will be interested in CCs thoughts
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To be honest Getting Old, doughballs/doughboys and dumplings are one and the same (I think!) - flour, beef suet, water and seasoning ;D
Eeww - beavertails sound :sick02:
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Oh, I tried a beavertail on a visit to Canada. I think it was called that. It was a long sweet bread topped with amazing sweet toppings.
It was so bad for me, but hey, I eat all that Scottish stuff and used to drink urn bru... ;D
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Oh beavertail doesn't sound so bad Crispy 🤔
We're sailing out of Vancouver in July so, come on CC, tell me what delicacies to try ;)
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Dumplings :-X :sick02: :beaurk:
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Now I hope you're not being facetious CLKD. That would never do ;D ;D
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Waste of energy making those ............ :-X
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Before I moved south,there was always this MYTH that the English and Scots hated each other but it was all down to #*&@% football,anyway I didn't know what to expect,moving so far south and me with my Aberdonian accent (beautiful it is ;D ) we were in our local pub and the rugby was on,was Scotland against some team from abroad and I couldn't believe that everyone in there was rooting for Scotland,it really made me so happy and I thought....what a decent bunch of people,if that was in Scotland and it was England playing, I guarantee you,hardly anyone would be rooting for England,it's so sad that these football fans are so pathetic :(
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As well as the issues with the two big Clubs up North ! And Newcastle and Sunderland :-X apparently ::)
Tribal war fare.
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When my husband was a policeman and helped to police football matches, he noted that when the football ‘fans’ weren’t getting into fights with away fans, they would fight fans from other housing estates!
As regards the Scots and the English, I remember, many years back in my first teaching job in the south of England, teaching children whose fathers were in a Scottish regiment, next to 2 Scottish teachers, plus a visiting Scottish speech therapist. I seemed to be in a minority group speaking with an English accent!
What is being English? I know in more recent history that my great grandfather was from the Austrian/German border area. Just before WW1. That’s another story! My daughter tells me my blood group originates from Asia. My son, nephew and niece have married either someone from a different country or second generation here. We are all melting pots of different nationalities. I have no patience with prejudice of any kind.
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Believe me, CC, you’d love a doughball ;D
Ok, you now need to tell us “what is being Canadian?” (And remember to let us know the yummy food too)…
Hmmm...be offended when someone calls you an American? ???
When I say "we" I mean collectively and I'm generalizing.
We are stereotyped as very polite, we apologize for everything, we are sometimes called America's younger sibling..which is nuts. We love sports, especially hockey but not everyone likes it. We are a proud bunch and embrace diversity. I guess Canada is famous for poutine, but that's more French-Canadian. We have butter tarts (tart pastry with a filling made with brown sugar, corn syrup, eggs and vanilla, and we add raisins or walnuts/pecans or both or neither) we love our craft beer or beer in general and going to pubs so we can enjoy pub food, so I guess there's some connection to being English.
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butter tarts - originate from Portugal ? rich, moreish but too much of a good thing ;D
Cream Tea: Devon or Cornish; jam or cream first?
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Nope, butter tarts were first made by the early settlers in Canada, although there is some controversy about who exactly invented them.
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Lovely. Butter tart with raisins and pecans will do me nicely when we're in Vancouver. ;)
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I have a brother on V. Island...one day we'll get out there. Vancouver is on my bucket list of Canadian cities to visit.
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CC is there some cake named after a place near Vancouver? I tried it once as it sounded good (chocolate!!) but wasn't a fan as it contained coconut and I don't like the texture of coconut. Ah, googled it - Nanaimo bar. I thought it was going to be like Millionaires Shortbread!
We visited Vancouver a number of years ago, and I absolutely hated it. Everyone said we should go to Granville Island and described it as the Canadian version of Covent Garden, so I was really disappointed when it was just some tiny food court with really expensive stuff. Then we somehow walked into a really dodgy area in the middle of the afternoon and people were fighting whilst the police just watched them. I found the people there really odd too, however Vancouver Island is very nice and the people there were lovely.