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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Michelle7474 on August 06, 2021, 07:29:01 AM
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Hi ladies
As you all know I’ve been struggling bad with aniexty
I was on HRT but symptoms for me came worse so I’ve been off HRT for 10 days now
Generally feel better in my self on most things but the ANIEXTY as taken over my life
I don’t feel low as in depressed but I feel like ohhhh another day like this due to anxiety..
yesturday I took my first anti anxiety med as it got to much
I’m not a tablet person as in I hate taking things because I don’t like not feeling me
( although feeling like me is like not good lol )
So I’m a worried about taking new meds
The anti anxiety tab did make me feel calm I must admit
But I’m not sure if I should try antidepressants
As anyone taken for aniexty & have they helped ??
Also how was the first few weeks going on them side effect wise ( I would like you to be brutally honest so I know what to expect )
I’ve been suffering this since May Day in day out almost & I know it’s got too much for me now
That surely must be more to life than sitting indoors
I do try and make myself go out when the aniexty isn’t at it highest but that also as been a problem lately
Yesturday was just too much for me from no where it springs as you know
I’ve literally had enough
So any truthful input & experiences would be great
I need me back .. I need to go out and about and stop being in this awful bubble of aniexty & fear
I’ve never been against antidepressants but I never wanted to go that route & then I’m like how is it gonna stop aniexty
Thanks in advance
Today so far I feel ok in myself but it’s on my brain to ask and see what you all think :)
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My honest opinion. I went on venlafaxine in 2004 for mild anxiety when it was the new drug on the block and it was awful. Its an SNRI and now really only prescribed for drug resistant depression. Start up effects were flu symptoms amd feeling off the planet. I piled weight on but the anxiety went. Withdrawals were horrendous. I tried sertraline (SSRI) and couldn't tolerate the increased start up anxiety. What really helped me was reading Dr Claire weekes books amd following the DARE Response. Both work on not reacting to the symptoms and sensations which effectively gets you into a loop. I still use it now if it pops up! I also stopped drinking alcohol, reduced caffeine, increased h20 and am working on exercise and diet. Its a personal decision and obviously quality of life is paramount.
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My honest opinion. I went on venlafaxine in 2004 for mild anxiety when it was the new drug on the block and it was awful. Its an SNRI and now really only prescribed for drug resistant depression. Start up effects were flu symptoms amd feeling off the planet. I piled weight on but the anxiety went. Withdrawals were horrendous. I tried sertraline (SSRI) and couldn't tolerate the increased start up anxiety. What really helped me was reading Dr Claire weekes books amd following the DARE Response. Both work on not reacting to the symptoms and sensations which effectively gets you into a loop. I still use it now if it pops up! I also stopped drinking alcohol, reduced caffeine, increased h20 and am working on exercise and diet. Its a personal decision and obviously quality of life is paramount.
Hi jotainbow
Thankyou for replying
Oh I have to look into the DARE response never heard of it to be honest
When I read about antidepressants and read aniexty/panic gets worse that petrifies me as surely I can’t get any worse than now ( although I probably can lol )
It’s a SSRI they will offer me and I’m sure it was Steraline ( prob spelt it wrong ) I didn’t speak to them to long about it as I was like no I don’t want it .. and dismissed it completely but this aniexty is not going away ..
I want to know why it came lol
I have CBT therapy booked in on 16th first session but I don’t know if that would work as you know when aniexty kicks in I can’t think straight never mind try and remember to do things
Awful thing is aniexty
Thankyou for replying :)
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Hi there.
I.got floored by anxiety about 7 years ago. No choice than to look at an AD to get my life back on track.
I take Citralopam and in the first few weeks of starting fpund it hard but I held on in there.
My life is brilliant and the med holds its place
Hope it helps
Ms Peaks
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Anti-depressant and anti-anxiety medications are designed for different purposes. I take escitalopram: 10mg at night, 5mg at breakfast. Propranolol to stop the early morning surges helped a lot for over 10 years.
So a dedicated anti-anxiety medication can help enormously. Without mine, (since 1989) I wouldn't be sitting here. Several friends have had success with Setraline ? sp ? - it can take time for these meds to give relief so do persevere.
Take care of you ! If you can't do something, then step back. Don't push yourself until you begin to feel benefit from which A anxiety is prescribed. Stop trying to please others which was my fault from a very early age. I put 1-5 on the calendar if necessary 2 C how I got through each week.
I never found Claire Weekes any good, it was written as though she had never suffered. It was too clinical at a time when I was clinging to the bed in desperation.
Bach rescue remedy mouth spray has worked for me too. As is eating every 3 hours 2 keep that awful nausea which triggers anxiety 4 me.
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Hi there.
I.got floored by anxiety about 7 years ago. No choice than to look at an AD to get my life back on track.
I take Citralopam and in the first few weeks of starting found it hard but I held on in there.
My life is brilliant and the med holds its place
Hope it helps
Ms Peaks
Hi Ms peaks
Thankyou for replying
These are the things I like to read hahaha
Initial side effects was they totally bad ??
I’m so glad you have your life back that’s what I need .. I know I’m not myself .. I know I need help it’s just pushing myself to get it kind of thing
I’m awaiting a call from GP as I know it’s now time to sort it .. Ive tried and tried
How long before you felt better ??
Sorry for so many questions
Thankyou for replying
Xxx
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Anti-depressant and anti-anxiety medications are designed for different purposes. I take escitalopram: 10mg at night, 5mg at breakfast. Propranolol to stop the early morning surges helped a lot for over 10 years.
So a dedicated anti-anxiety medication can help enormously. Without mine, (since 1989) I wouldn't be sitting here. Several friends have had success with Setraline ? sp ? - it can take time for these meds to give relief so do persevere.
Take care of you ! If you can't do something, then step back. Don't push yourself until you begin to feel benefit from which A anxiety is prescribed. Stop trying to please others which was my fault from a very early age. I put 1-5 on the calendar if necessary 2 C how I got through each week.
I never found Claire Weekes any good, it was written as though she had never suffered. It was too clinical at a time when I was clinging to the bed in desperation.
Bach rescue remedy mouth spray has worked for me too. As is eating every 3 hours 2 keep that awful nausea which triggers anxiety 4 me.
Hi CLKD
Thanks for replying ..
Ive used Bach’s spray initially it calmed me but when I have these stronger attacks it don’t although I use it
Yesturday I took anti aniexty tab for first time which for me was a big step and it did make me feel calmer but I was waiting on side effects which was making my brain go in to over drive
Didn’t really have much side effect to be honest just lightheaded/ wooziness & nausea feeling
( I’m dry heaving so tht at the moment don’t help ) I’m not sure if that’s to do with aniexty as could well be .. I’ll be speaking with doc about that today as it’s happening regular )
I don’t please no one lol 😂 I try and feel myself and I don’t .. I hate feeling this way
I remember you saying you was floored with it ..
I heard many good things about antidepressants and I know it’s helped a few of my friends who have been telling me since this started to try as they know I have change
But the initial side effects is what bothers me as most time I’ll be indoors alone as my husband will be working
One of my friends said she only got a dry mouth , the other one said she had nausea but the 3rd one said she had stomach problems increased panick and aniexty and just felt rough
Then you hear of people have suicidal thoughts.. 😱
I know all of our bodies are equipped differently to these things
I need to take control of this aniexty.. I need to let it leave my body I know that & I don’t think I can fight it alone I’ve tried and tried ..
Thanks CLKD xxx
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I can never fight it. It floors me. Within seconds. The emergency drug helps: either knocks me out and when I wake up I feel better, or it enables me. Years ago I would wait to see if the anxiety left on it's own, now if it hits I swallow the tablet at once. Otherwise my head starts.
When I had Valium (1990s) I would take 5mg the night B4 an event, knowing that I had another to take if necessary the next day: I never required it.
There R no triggers for me, it happens. U now know that the tablet works, the side effects are usual. Knowing that the fight/flight response is the reason has never helped me deal with the physicality. Hence the need for a pill to knock those feelings out.
Remember: a dedicated anti-anxiety medication is important rather than an AD which may work on depression as well as a side effect on anxiety.
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Hi Michele and CLKD
What are the anti anxiety tabs you take, I did have some diazepam for bad anxiety which did work a little but could not use them for long. Have tried sertraline and citrilopram (2 years apart)but both only for 3 days each as the anxiety and total insomnia frightened me. I think now I would be better at accepting the side effects, now I understand them a bit more, but not sure.
Am thinking I may need to go down that route as anxiety is getting worse am on week 4 of femseven conti and 6 years post menopause.
My anxiety seems to lessen in the evenings for some reason.
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U would need to discuss appropriate medication with your GP. Some will prescribe 'valium' - mine knew how much I needed and what 4. I had reviews every 3 months. Some GPs are so scared that patients will become addicted - the knowledge that it will work lessens the chance that someone will take an 'extra in case'. I found that I took the Valium at night, it enabled sleep prior to the event which was causing anxiety surges. I never had to reach for the 'extra' dose.
The currant as necessary med, which I haven't required for ages: not within 2019 and of course, through 2020 I couldn't go anywhere: Boris said so ;-). No commitments. No necessity 2 justify myself to others, meant that lockdown was the best year ever. Now I am trying to pace myself.
During the 1990s there were days when I couldn't leave the house; would set out to go shopping and have to turn back ........ I never thought that I would B out and about again. My GP has been supportive with lots of discussion around how I use the medication. CBT did nowt.
Once my commitments were done, by evening I was a different person - I had to learn to say 'no' if asked to do anything otherwise I would be in a curled up ball the next morning :-\
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Hi Michele and CLKD
What are the anti anxiety tabs you take, I did have some diazepam for bad anxiety which did work a little but could not use them for long. Have tried sertraline and citrilopram (2 years apart)but both only for 3 days each as the anxiety and total insomnia frightened me. I think now I would be better at accepting the side effects, now I understand them a bit more, but not sure.
Am thinking I may need to go down that route as anxiety is getting worse am on week 4 of femseven conti and 6 years post menopause.
My anxiety seems to lessen in the evenings for some reason.
Hi Hbhigg
My GP prescribed propranolol to take if and when needed .. some are on them on a daily basis as a medication but mine is when required .. I’ve had them for a while in my cupboard but never wanted to take them for the fear of being not in control kinda thing & yesterday I took for first time
It calmed me down my brain was still going
But it stopped the shakes the rapid heart rate & stopped me getting worked up even more .. I felt calm but because it was first one I took maybe that’s why I was still thinking what’s this blah blah
I did initially ask my GP for diazepam 2mg as I had it years ago for my shoulder and I only ever took once as it made me relaxed enough to help my shoulder kinda thing, but she was saying no to diazepam
Maybe you could try the antidepressants again .. and knowing the side effects accept them better ( listen to me the one who isn’t on them because of thinking about the side effects )
My husband said we will ride this through together and said if I have 2 weeks of feeling crap then so be it ( if it helps after it be worth it )
Also I suppose if you got medication off your GP for aniexty then would that help you why your starting the antidepressants?? Just a thought
I’m a bit like you as in can I handle that to be honest .. so I understand where your coming from
Some of my friends said it took 2 weeks for the side effects to level off and my other one said she initially felt crap for 3 days and it all subsided so goes to show we are all different in many ways
Good luck with whatever you choose
I feel you 100%
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I can never fight it. It floors me. Within seconds. The emergency drug helps: either knocks me out and when I wake up I feel better, or it enables me. Years ago I would wait to see if the anxiety left on it's own, now if it hits I swallow the tablet at once. Otherwise my head starts.
When I had Valium (1990s) I would take 5mg the night B4 an event, knowing that I had another to take if necessary the next day: I never required it.
There R no triggers for me, it happens. U now know that the tablet works, the side effects are usual. Knowing that the fight/flight response is the reason has never helped me deal with the physicality. Hence the need for a pill to knock those feelings out.
Remember: a dedicated anti-anxiety medication is important rather than an AD which may work on depression as well as a side effect on anxiety.
Thanks CLKD
For you always reading and helping where possible
I appreciate it :)
I know one persons experience isn’t the next person’s experience
But to know few things would make you aware tht if these things happen it’s perfectly normal …
Thanks so much :)
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U R welcome.
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Michelle, what happens when you try to get on with stuff day to day. Do you feel anxious? Can you go out alone? Drive a car?
These were issues I had badly last year and the driving issue still lingers to a lesser degree. I have found facing the anxiety head on, helps. So with the driving, I blast rescue remedy, get a sweet ready and get behind wheel. Many a time, I have pulled over to breath and regain a sense of control, but to me, it’s better for me to face the demon, than let it control me!
Face the anxiety head on. Befriend it almost, accept its there but try to crack on without your jobs at the same time.
I would trial your anxiety meds. You may feel much better in month or so.
It’s awful and one of the worse symptoms in my view.
Nas x
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Hi Michelle,
so sorry to hear you continue to struggle and the anxiety is there despite coming off HRT. :( Maybe you could consider HRT again, after a few weeks, as it may have just been wrong dose or delivery method?
In the meanwhile, it sounds you do need something to break the anxiety circle. It is horrible and traumatising to suffer like that.
Its great you talk to your GP today -perhaps also ask him/her to give you something with works now, on top of a longer run solution.
Nowadays they don't want to prescribe benzodiazepines, but having an 'emergency tablet' to take when it gets too hard sounds like something you need at the moment -to be able to start your recovery.
Let us know how you get on and take good care of yourself! xxx
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Michelle, what happens when you try to get on with stuff day to day. Do you feel anxious? Can you go out alone? Drive a car?
These were issues I had badly last year and the driving issue still lingers to a lesser degree. I have found facing the anxiety head on, helps. So with the driving, I blast rescue remedy, get a sweet ready and get behind wheel. Many a time, I have pulled over to breath and regain a sense of control, but to me, it’s better for me to face the demon, than let it control me!
Face the anxiety head on. Befriend it almost, accept its there but try to crack on without your jobs at the same time.
I would trial your anxiety meds. You may feel much better in month or so.
It’s awful and one of the worse symptoms in my view.
Nas x
Hi Nas
Thanks for replying
Some days are better than others , I just get up have breakfast start cleaning and doing bits and bobs n sometimes I can work through the aniexty as it’s not so bad kinda thing
Other days like yesterday & also Monday it over takes .. yesturday was non stop as much as I tried n tried it wouldn’t go away
Monday I was meant to go get blood tests and I made myself go .. I didn’t make it I couldn’t physically do it .. so I turned Bck
But later than afternoon I made my husband take me and again I was having an aniexty attack
I was always out going never indoors
Now I’m indoors and hardly ever go out
I did make myself go for a walk alone the other day … didn’t feel no better for it
When it comes on it starts with racing heart beat .. then BP spikes I feel shaky all over my arms legs just the whole of my body and feel like I’m gonna pass out
Then I usually sit and try and calm the thumping heart but it don’t stop so I panic I think that little more
Then eventually I calm down … but it lingers afterwards and it’s like I wait for the next one ( does that sound like aniexty ) my breathing to be fair I don’t gasp for air or anything I’m just overwhelmed with all other symptoms
I do try and breathe to relax myself but it don’t always work
I hate this so much & I try and try and try to not let it control me but if I’m honest it does control me.
When it starts and it’s not so intense I carry on doing whatever I’m doing but I’m constantly thinking about it
It’s awful as you know
And some days are far worse than others
Xxx
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Hi Michelle,
so sorry to hear you continue to struggle and the anxiety is there despite coming off HRT. :( Maybe you could consider HRT again, after a few weeks, as it may have just been wrong dose or delivery method?
In the meanwhile, it sounds you do need something to break the anxiety circle. It is horrible and traumatising to suffer like that.
Its great you talk to your GP today -perhaps also ask him/her to give you something with works now, on top of a longer run solution.
Nowadays they don't want to prescribe benzodiazepines, but having an 'emergency tablet' to take when it gets too hard sounds like something you need at the moment -to be able to start your recovery.
Let us know how you get on and take good care of yourself! xxx
Hi EllaAurora
Thankyou for replying
I’m not sure about restarting HRT yet as I think maybe once I’ve had a bleed my hormones might settle ( I hope )
I wouldn’t ever rule out using again
My GP gave me proponol to take if and when needed and I took one yesterday for first time and it did calm me down
Probably calmest I’ve felt for a very long time but felt woozy and lightheaded and also felt nausea ( dry heaving is a problem for me at present ) which I think is also due to aniexty
Today I feel calm ( but it the back ground I feel jittery ) it’s something I can’t shake off and also the feeling that a period is coming so it’s like everything coming at once
I’m not sure if Antidepressants would work but I think now after so long I need to give something a try as it’s no life being like this and as many people have suffered we all know how it feels kinda thing HORRENDOUS!!
I hope for better days :) can only get better cant it ??
How you feeling now , as your regime worked
Thanks for replying
Xxx
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'traumatising' - that's a good description .
I was advised to take 'propranolol' every night - I can't understand it as an 'as necessary' medication , good though that it helped your symptoms to calm. What ever works 4 U!
Not anti-depressants although some do ease anxiety surges, however - depression is an illness. Anxiety is caused by different situations. Fight/flight due to fear reflex. Depression is chemical. I have both clinical and organic depression, some 'experts' won't consider that depression is different; it's all put into the same box >:(.
Eating regularly is important 4 me too. Otherwise I feel queasy = not eating which becomes a nasty cycle.
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'traumatising' - that's a good description .
I was advised to take 'propranolol' every night - I can't understand it as an 'as necessary' medication , good though that it helped your symptoms to calm. What ever works 4 U!
Not anti-depressants although some do ease anxiety surges, however - depression is an illness. Anxiety is caused by different situations. Fight/flight due to fear reflex. Depression is chemical. I have both clinical and organic depression, some 'experts' won't consider that depression is different; it's all put into the same box >:(.
Eating regularly is important 4 me too. Otherwise I feel queasy = not eating which becomes a nasty cycle.
Hi CLKD
I make my self eat as I lost appitite but I make sure I eat because sometimes feels worse when not eaten
This is what I think .. I kept saying I don’t need antidepressants as I’m not depressed .. yes I’m low because of this aniexty
But that’s all kinda thing
& I was like how can a AD help my aniexty
But GP said certain AD can .. who knows eh
Yeah the tab they said take it if and when required
I’ll speak to them about that when they phone actually
Someone I know who is on them said she takes when she feels it coming on and some days she don’t need it so maybe it’s a one off med also
Says on label can take up to 3 times a day when required
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Hi Michelle,
Propranolol isn’t too bad I find for situational anxiety.
There’s also an 80mg slow release, maybe that would keep the anxiety at bay for longer?
Remember these are feelings, scary but not dangerous. Have you read The DARE book ? It’s quite good. Or download the app to listen to?
Perhaps when you are ready, trial another HRT type. There are many and it may just be that particular patch didn’t suit you?
Xxx
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Hi Michelle,
Propranolol isn’t too bad I find for situational anxiety.
There’s also an 80mg slow release, maybe that would keep the anxiety at bay for longer?
Remember these are feelings, scary but not dangerous. Have you read The DARE book ? It’s quite good. Or download the app to listen to?
Perhaps when you are ready, trial another HRT type. There are many and it may just be that particular patch didn’t suit you?
Xxx
Hi Nas
Thanks again for replying & helping when you do I appreciate it
I haven’t heard of Dare only today when someone mentioned it to me on here , but I will look it up though thankyou
Oh yes Nas I would never rule out HRT but I will try let my own hormones settle back in first ..
Today I’m ok so far , apart from this dry heaving doing my head in lol
Comes from no where .. I have had burning issue near my ribs for a while and they put me on Omperzole for it and usually eases the burning some what but recently been getting like a acid burnt feeling in throat & like flemmy feeling and now dry heaving so think that it’s all connected with this burning I wish it would do one ( doc said aniexty can make things worse )
I will also mention this to GP as I haven’t mentioned because I was always on about something else ( I’ve gone from no symptoms person to everything lol ) I shouldn’t laugh but it’s annoying so much.
Thanks for taking time out of your day to reply .. I appreciate it. xx
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What you are feeling are more likely 2B adrenaline surges. We are not physically aware of blood pressure changes unless it drops suddenly when we may faint, or if it rises sharply and suddenly. We have a home testing BP kit - I don't register at all ;D. DH takes his at the same time each morning, usually B4 eating, he charts his figures for his GP every 6 months.
4 me adrenaline felt like hot water coursing through my veins, scary until I become used to it. I potter in the mornings if I feel vulnerable. I don't go anywhere until about 11.00 as by then I am usually feeling better. On a good day I can go out and about without thinking too far ahead unless the physicality sets in >:(
Deep breathing can help. As can blowing into a brown paper bag. Apparently.
Dry heaving is anxiety. The other seems to be acid reflux symptoms, I find 'Rennies' help.
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What you are feeling are more likely 2B adrenaline surges. We are not physically aware of blood pressure changes unless it drops suddenly when we may faint, or if it rises sharply and suddenly. We have a home testing BP kit - I don't register at all ;D. DH takes his at the same time each morning, usually B4 eating, he charts his figures for his GP every 6 months.
4 me adrenaline felt like hot water coursing through my veins, scary until I become used to it. I potter in the mornings if I feel vulnerable. I don't go anywhere until about 11.00 as by then I am usually feeling better. On a good day I can go out and about without thinking too far ahead unless the physicality sets in >:(
Deep breathing can help. As can blowing into a brown paper bag. Apparently.
Dry heaving is anxiety. The other seems to be acid reflux symptoms, I find 'Rennies' help.
I’ve never tried Rennies ( somthing else for me to try )
I only ever notice my BP when it’s high from my head & feeling like gonna get a nose bleed .. I have a home kit & to be fair don’t take it a lot unless GP asks now
Usually to be honest BP is fine until I get these turns & then I used to panic more so now I’ve stopped taking and only once in a blue moon when doc asks for readings
What can stop these surges ??
Thanks again CLKD :) xxx
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Sertraline has helped me loads. I have gone off it a few times, and I just feel so much more myself on it. I don’t feel numb or like a zombie, it just gives me an arm’s length distance from my feelings to be able to challenge my thoughts (like CBT stuff), rather than feeling like I’m drowning in the anxiety.
Yes, the initial start up anxiety was rough, and I think I had my first panic attack. But it got better. It look a good 3 weeks for a noticeable difference. I don’t want to be without it now. I was off it for several months this past winter, thinking as my HRT was stabilized, that perhaps I no longer needed it. I was wrong. I’m a much better mom, partner, and employee on Sertraline.
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Tnx. Also I didn't release that there is a slow-release Propranolol. ::)
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Sertraline has helped me loads. I have gone off it a few times, and I just feel so much more myself on it. I don’t feel numb or like a zombie, it just gives me an arm’s length distance from my feelings to be able to challenge my thoughts (like CBT stuff), rather than feeling like I’m drowning in the anxiety.
Yes, the initial start up anxiety was rough, and I think I had my first panic attack. But it got better. It look a good 3 weeks for a noticeable difference. I don’t want to be without it now. I was off it for several months this past winter, thinking as my HRT was stabilized, that perhaps I no longer needed it. I was wrong. I’m a much better mom, partner, and employee on Sertraline.
Hi shannonplussed
Thankyou for replying
Did it help with the Aniexty ??
That’s the one the GP suggested at a small dose and said it will make things worse before being better .. ( that’s why I was asking people was it that awful in first initial weeks )
I’m so glad this works for you and your in a better place
That’s what I need in my life .. I need to be me without all this
Glad your not like a zombie that I wouldn’t wanna be like
I wanna be me still .. my normal me who is happy go lucky :)
Thankyou for taking time to reply xx
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Most mornings I feel hung over but it's better than being depressed or anxious ;-). It goes off by mid-morning.
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Most mornings I feel hung over but it's better than being depressed or anxious ;-). It goes off by mid-morning.
That’s the thing CLKD you know by mid morning your raring to go ..
I would take that daily just to rid this from me lol
I will see what GP says when he/she calls
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Yes, Sertraline helps with my anxiety. Another part of things was realizing that I feel better on a lower dose of Estrogel. Too high E and I feel jittery or like a box of frogs. Sertraline doesn’t get rid of that feeling, and in fact that’s basically what the first week on Sertraline felt like. It felt like my worst anxiety, magnified. Which while it felt rough, made me resolute that I did need to treat it, and the medication was what I needed to take (which sounds counterintuitive, feeling worse to feel better…but forewarned is forearmed).
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Yes, Sertraline helps with my anxiety. Another part of things was realizing that I feel better on a lower dose of Estrogel. Too high E and I feel jittery or like a box of frogs. Sertraline doesn’t get rid of that feeling, and in fact that’s basically what the first week on Sertraline felt like. It felt like my worst anxiety, magnified. Which while it felt rough, made me resolute that I did need to treat it, and the medication was what I needed to take (which sounds counterintuitive, feeling worse to feel better…but forewarned is forearmed).
Thanks again for replying
I know I need help , as much as I’ve been putting it off for months .. I know in myself I need to sort this
I have to .. i will speak with GP
I tried HRT patches and this all got worse for me .. but pharmist and also Dr Heather both said that maybe the dosage was too high or maybe my body didn’t need it at that point
Before patches aniexty/jittery only came before a period or one day maybe mid cycle
But then it became a daily thing so I have been off them now 10 days and awaiting a bleed which I think is coming due to this ramping of feelings this week.
I keep telling myself this won’t kill you this won’t kill you ., but when it’s happening and overtakes my body I don’t think that , I think makes everything worse so to speak so I think it’s gonna kill me kinda thing ( although I should know by now it won’t as been happening too much ) but my brain ain’t listening
Again Thankyou so much for replying I appreciate it xxx
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Talking to the GP isn't agreeing to any treatment! Knowledge is however, power ;-)
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Talking to the GP isn't agreeing to any treatment! Knowledge is however, power ;-)
Speaking to Gp is getting the prescription… Taking It Now That’s a completely different story lol ;D
Mustn’t laugh as I know I need to reach out and get help now. I’ve got to that stage .. before I was always thinking I will get over it & will deal with it
Now I know I need some help in some way :)
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It takes courage to admit that Michelle. I know I like to think of myself as resilient and competent. However, I have not been feeling that way recently and in many ways taking an antidepressant is an act of self care. It gives the body time to heal and get balanced. You can always reduce it in 6 months or so in discussion with your GP. Sometimes our bodies just need extra help.
Take care xxx
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Anti-anxiety for anxiety ........... I would be asking for a specific treatment rather than wondering if an AD might work :-\
It's OK to ask. If you are hungry, do you not eat ........ if you bang your ankle on a chair leg, do you now swear ?
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Anti-anxiety for anxiety ........... I would be asking for a specific treatment rather than wondering if an AD might work :-\
It's OK to ask. If you are hungry, do you not eat ........ if you bang your ankle on a chair leg, do you now swear ?
I will be asking don’t you worry :) I’m asking for all options
Although to be honest since April they have been suggesting AD said it’s helps aniexty
I’m still waiting for the call but luckily I have the GP who kinda explains all to me rather than rush off the phone
My sis in law suffered aniexty all her life and she took AD said it helped her
I know we are all different
I would love a magic pill to take it all away .. do you think one exsists 😂
I swear even when I don’t bang my leg
I know I need help and I will be asking what options and what he thinks etc
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Gp phoned
He as advised that I take Proponol 3 times a day .. I expressed my concerns that if I’m not having an attack and my heart is not racing etc then why would I intentionally slow it down & mess my BP up
he said it wouldn’t work so much like that and don’t think it would effect to the extremes of what I’m thinking as I’m on the lowest dose (I’m like might sound a daft concern but it was one of mine ) he said the more it gets in system usually the side effects lesson ( lightheaded wooziness )
And he also suggested steraline ( however it’s spelt ) half a tab for a week so 25 strength then if feel ok then to have a full 50 tab week later
He said taking the proponol would help with any aniexty surges if it was to start ramping up on starting the AD but could also have some stomach issues
also I said many people say they feel suicidal on AD
he did say that some people do but by starting on a small dose it might never be an issue and even after starting if I have any suicidal thoughts i must call them straight away
He said the aniexty is what needs to get under control as it’s the adrenaline that causes the rush blah blah & knows that it’s been happening a while as as I said since April I’ve been telling them but thinking I could do it all alone with no meds
He will speak to me in a month unless I need to speak to him before hand.
Also as I told him I was due a cycle and I couldn’t handle all that as it be first one off patch plus side effects from AD that he said to start after cycle.
He said steraline is good for aniexty and also on of the safest with my warfarin as obviously I need that more than anything & also to continue with the Omperzole as I have been and if the stomach gets no better after the AD have started to take effect they will look into that more but he said aniexty can do so much to our
body and can cause the acid as my body is constantly in and out of fight or flight mode
He will also refer me to someone to see if talking etc helps too
I asked would all this be due to hormones
He said it could be , also said it happened after my jab so was I worried about that as that coulda also kicked started it plus having covid beginning of year .. he said it could be a build up of everything but he wants to help me try and get back to how I can actually cope with it all.
So there you have it .. :)
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That sounds like being well supported?
I have never felt suicidal on any of the ADs prescribed. Sick++ yes .........
What's your Plan?
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That sounds like being well supported?
I have never felt suicidal on any of the ADs prescribed. Sick++ yes .........
What's your Plan?
Hi CLKD
Im gonna wait for this cycle ( it’s there so just kinda waiting for it to arrive )
Then I’m gonna fetch prescription and I’m gonna have to do this to try and get some life back.
I will start the proponol 2-3 a day times as suggested before I start the AD ( hopefully don’t get so woozy lightheaded all the time lol ) I was so shocked that it’s not gonna effect my heart rate how my mind thinks it was 😂😂
He did say lots of people take this and for different reasons but it’s a safe drug
He is my favourite GP always as been, he listens let’s you tell him everything & then gives you his advice
And when I’ve seen him in surgery .. he is such a people person and wants to know everything .. don’t stop you mid convo just let’s you finish
He did say could feel nausea / diarrhoea / vomiting said a lot of the side effects are usually stomach wise
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I felt queasy with the 1st 5 ADs I tried, the 6th one worked. Never had problems since !
Several friends have got on well with that particular drug. Good Luck! Try not to take it, then wait for it 2 work ::) - have a plan, take it then 'get on'.
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I felt queasy with the 1st 5 ADs I tried, the 6th one worked. Never had problems since !
Several friends have got on well with that particular drug. Good Luck! Try not to take it, then wait for it 2 work ::) - have a plan, take it then 'get on'.
Thankyou CLKD
I will deffo give them a try and I know not to expect miracles
I have to try something, a few people have told me it’s helped them but then also a few said they didn’t like it
Suppose we all different
It’s not gonna kill me to try it .. and starting on half a tab prob will make it bit better .. although I suppose when you raise it again side effects can occur
But if it helps in long run then it will be worth it :)
Oh I know I will carry on as I do now .. and probably moan about it like I do now 😂😂
Thanks again CLKD :)
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A Good Moan certainly helps 8)
My anxiety is 1-5 - 1 background, 5 I'm curled up needing the tablet. It doesn't take long 4 the anxiety to kick in but over the years the whole situation has improved!
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A Good Moan certainly helps 8)
My anxiety is 1-5 - 1 background, 5 I'm curled up needing the tablet. It doesn't take long 4 the anxiety to kick in but over the years the whole situation has improved!
That’s good :) I’m glad things have improved over the years for you , I remember you saying it was from such a young age
do you use proponol daily ?
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That all sounds so good. I want to look into that Propanolol now! I’m in Canada and I’ve never heard of it outside of online forums, so it must be called something else here. It’s a beta blocker I think? I would have liked that when I started Sertraline. To take the edge off. I would like it for those days when my kids are on my nerves and I’m screaming inside.
As I mentioned in a previous post, my anxiety skyrocketed at start up (also 25mg for a few days, then up to 50mg). The increased anxiety was only a few days. Also with insomnia and diarrhea. It would have been good if I was off work for that week. It was short lived, though a rough few days. It took about 3 weeks to feel noticeable improvement for me, but I certainly didn’t feel rough for that whole time. Just a few days while my brain was getting used to the extra serotonin swirling around.
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Oh also to note, that I didn’t experience the same start up issues when increasing dose. Nor when restarting after tapering off any of the times that I did (some short, some lengthy breaks from it). It was just the first time I started it, that’s it.
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That all sounds so good. I want to look into that Propanolol now! I’m in Canada and I’ve never heard of it outside of online forums, so it must be called something else here. It’s a beta blocker I think? I would have liked that when I started Sertraline. To take the edge off. I would like it for those days when my kids are on my nerves and I’m screaming inside.
As I mentioned in a previous post, my anxiety skyrocketed at start up (also 25mg for a few days, then up to 50mg). The increased anxiety was only a few days. Also with insomnia and diarrhea. It would have been good if I was off work for that week. It was short lived, though a rough few days. It took about 3 weeks to feel noticeable improvement for me, but I certainly didn’t feel rough for that whole time. Just a few days while my brain was getting used to the extra serotonin swirling around.
Hi again :)
Yes I’m expecting it to ramp up , but im hoping that the beta blocker tab keeps it mild where I can handle it .,
If it’s only a few days then I’m sure I can do that ( I hope )
Did you feel any different when you went up the dose ??
I’m off work so that might be a good thing for me
Was it continuous all day or in waves ??
My son is 28 now he don’t get on my nerves so much to scream 😂😂
It is a beta blocker but used for aniexty and migraines also
Thanks so much .. you answered my question before I posted about upping the dose ..
someone else who took this said she had 2 bad days then it all settled
How are you now .. is your aniexty at bay ??
Doc said can take a while for effects to be noticeable
Xxx
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My anxiety is fine now, essentially gone…unless I’m off the Sertraline. There are situations still that make me anxious, social anxiety stuff, but I think that’s just a ME thing. I’m never going to be the person that wants to be in a crowded shopping mall at Christmas, and I don’t want a medication to change my personality. But the general daily stuff is gone. There are hormonal peaks and valleys still to contend with here and there. Overall manageable.
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My anxiety is fine now, essentially gone…unless I’m off the Sertraline. There are situations still that make me anxious, social anxiety stuff, but I think that’s just a ME thing. I’m never going to be the person that wants to be in a crowded shopping mall at Christmas, and I don’t want a medication to change my personality. But the general daily stuff is gone. There are hormonal peaks and valleys still to contend with here and there. Overall manageable.
I’m so happy and glad your aniexty is better :) gives me a bit of hope
Was your initial symptoms all day or in waves ??
I’m thinking if this helps me then maybe I will handle this peri menopause better as I’ll have the aniexty in check so to speak & maybe HRT would help at a smaller dose when it’s needed
I just wanna go out and be me .. as in the happy go lucky me who goes out to work , shopping and starts seeing people again
Instead of this bag of nerves indoors who as changed so much since this started
As in changed I mean staying in , not working , not meeting friends ( although they come to me ) going shopping for bits and bobs and in just general changed
I’m such a confident person in myself that this was a shock to my system as it is to everyone .. I wouldn’t wish it on no one.
I’ve never been a shy person and I’m still not now lol but I’m certainly a different version of me than I’m used too.
I will never understand how it was like a light bulb and someone switched it on
Thanks for your time in replying I really appreciate it so much Xx
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Hi Michelle,
I’m on day 8 of fluoxetine (Prozac). I’ve been putting off taking them for months / years ( had serious surgical complications which changed my life). Things got worse this year and even getting out of bed was becoming an effort with my head racing with thoughts and conversations , just a constant dialogue that went nowhere. Plus I over analysed everything and went through all the ifs buts and maybes on every thought and decision . Things came to a head and I started them. No side effects so far so fingers crossed x
Good luck with everything x
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Hi Michelle,
I’m on day 8 of fluoxetine (Prozac). I’ve been putting off taking them for months / years ( had serious surgical complications which changed my life). Things got worse this year and even getting out of bed was becoming an effort with my head racing with thoughts and conversations , just a constant dialogue that went nowhere. Plus I over analysed everything and went through all the ifs buts and maybes on every thought and decision . Things came to a head and I started them. No side effects so far so fingers crossed x
Good luck with everything x
Hi groundhog
I’m so happy you haven’t had side effects and I hope that continues and I hope the tablets kick in real soon for you and help you.
You sound like you have had it very rough.. ive known for a while I needed to do something but I’m a tit when it comes to medication & I honestly thought I could beat this aniexty without any help
But I surrender now .. I know I need help
I haven’t started yet and I was due first cycle since being off HRT so wanted to get that out way first as I couldn’t handle that plus any side effects at the same time.
Good luck groundhov , I hope you feel i a much better place soon
My friend is on the same ones she said she starting feeling better in her self by 2 weeks but really notched a difference at week 4 , which may seem far away but you have come this far and suffered for way longer so hold on in there …Xxx
Thankyou for replying I appreciate it and look forward to a update on your progress xx
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Hiya, so many people sharing here ... And I have all the feels for you.
Slightly different take from me: I don't take daily meds. I've tried them in the past, but for all the reasons you identify, I just couldn't manage them. That said, I also can't take propranolol (asthmatic) and I'm only able to take Diazepam for a max of three weeks, so there wasn't really anything to get me sufficiently over the hump. I should also mention, Diazepam for me in a crisis phase is 30mgs (3 x 10mgs) daily or swallowing them like sweeties up to 80mgs daily - even then, they don't always prove to be successful. In some ways, I'm lucky to have this treatment regime already established, so no arguing with the doctor, because we both know from previous experience what works for me.
Anyway, it's a hard trot unmedicated, not always super stable or predictable. It's taken me a very long time - years and years - to 'punch through' my anxiety and depression, and I wouldn't wish the route I had to take on my worst enemy. It wasn't helped because my anxiety and depression were being driven by OCD arising from autism (both undiagnosed until relatively recently). Point being, if I'd had the option to take a pill that might have helped, along with another pill until the effects of the first pill were manageable, I'd have jumped at that chance. Most likely, I would've seen much quicker results and been able to re-establish my life on the even keel I wanted. The alternative, which is what I've done, is a really difficult path to follow, and I completely refuse to accept the idea that mindfulness, yoga, a plant based diet, blah blah, would've made the difference I needed them to make when I was clinging on for dear life and going to hell in a handcart. Mind you, they're quite useful now things are more stable for me.
Best of luck, and dead sorry you're going through this.
EK
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Hiya, so many people sharing here ... And I have all the feels for you.
Slightly different take from me: I don't take daily meds. I've tried them in the past, but for all the reasons you identify, I just couldn't manage them. That said, I also can't take propranolol (asthmatic) and I'm only able to take Diazepam for a max of three weeks, so there wasn't really anything to get me sufficiently over the hump. I should also mention, Diazepam for me in a crisis phase is 30mgs (3 x 10mgs) daily or swallowing them like sweeties up to 80mgs daily - even then, they don't always prove to be successful. In some ways, I'm lucky to have this treatment regime already established, so no arguing with the doctor, because we both know from previous experience what works for me.
Anyway, it's a hard trot unmedicated, not always super stable or predictable. It's taken me a very long time - years and years - to 'punch through' my anxiety and depression, and I wouldn't wish the route I had to take on my worst enemy. It wasn't helped because my anxiety and depression were being driven by OCD arising from autism (both undiagnosed until relatively recently). Point being, if I'd had the option to take a pill that might have helped, along with another pill until the effects of the first pill were manageable, I'd have jumped at that chance. Most likely, I would've seen much quicker results and been able to re-establish my life on the even keel I wanted. The alternative, which is what I've done, is a really difficult path to follow, and I completely refuse to accept the idea that mindfulness, yoga, a plant based diet, blah blah, would've made the difference I needed them to make when I was clinging on for dear life and going to hell in a handcart. Mind you, they're quite useful now things are more stable for me.
Best of luck, and dead sorry you're going through this.
EK
Hi Elk
Thankyou so much for taking time to reply and I’m so glad that your stable now in a way that’s better for you.
This is me now I can’t manage alone without help so I have to take the help and hope it as some positive outlook for me ..
I feel that I got to that stage I need to do something.. I need to try and get some of me back that this aniexty stole
I’m terrified about side effects but can it be any worse than how I feel daily .. I have to push through it ( I hope I can )
Proponol is new to me and I took one this morning as soon as I got it up it’s there and I can’t handle it everyday it’s too much ..
I have looked at a few apps with calming breathing excercises and although they would be easy to follow
When I’m having a full on turn I can’t think straight as I’m panicking about what is happening & I deffo can’t think of I must do this and that .. I do when I get slightly calmer
It’s horrendous and I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone and I feel for anyone going through this.
I hope there is a light at the end of the tunnel .. so many people have said it worked for them and some have said it didn’t help
We can only hope for me it’s positive
I do appreciate your reply , I’m just hoping I can do this :)
Gotta be positive in my mind that it’s gonna work …
Xxxxx
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If anxiety is worse in the morning, perhaps take the Propranolol at bed time for 5 nights 2 C whether it helps? That's how it was prescribed 4 me, to lessen any sudden surges of anxiety - Cortisol the waking hormone, is the 1 to blame >:(
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If anxiety is worse in the morning, perhaps take the Propranolol at bed time for 5 nights 2 C whether it helps? That's how it was prescribed 4 me, to lessen any sudden surges of anxiety - Cortisol the waking hormone, is the 1 to blame >:(
Hi CLKD how are you today :)
I think aniexty feeling came on this morning as I haven’t slept much as it’s that time of the month & window cleaner turned up at 6am
that’s why I took tab at 8 this morning as I could feel it come on and the tablet lasted all day to be fair
I spoke to GP again as he called as he apologised as he had forgot to send my sick note over ( I hadn’t realised lol )
I spoke to him again about the tablets and he said why I’m starting the Proponol I can take it once a day so it gets in my system and then on bad days I can take it up to 3 times etc as body will get used to it daily
I get calm off it & feel woozy & lightheaded .. I’m hoping that by taking it once each day that eventually that subsides and Just calms me I only take 10mg ( so far ) but can double it if needed
I just hope that I can start feeling my usual self soon .. today I started my first cycle since taking off patches so its been one of those days where cramps on and off .. headrush feeling on and off but I’ve been quite calm through it all compared to this morning when I took the proponol
So it’s a mixture today of aniexty and just general period aches and pains & symptoms
Xxx
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Me - weary
I had 80mg Propranolol 3 times a day for 3 weeks the 40mg twice a day for a while: cut down to 20mg x 2 then in the evening: B4 stopping completely in March 2020.
I feel woozy all the while due to busy, involved, long dreams >:(
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Me - weary
I had 80mg Propranolol 3 times a day for 3 weeks the 40mg twice a day for a while: cut down to 20mg x 2 then in the evening: B4 stopping completely in March 2020.
Do you feel any different side effects from the different doses ..
I was reading some of your dreams earlier actually passing time away as you do :) you have some strange ones that’s for sure
I felt nice and relaxed last night and just couldn’t drop off for love nor money
I’ve never been a great sleeper something always wakes me up then takes forever to drop off but usually before I’m due ( before patches ) I used to have few bad nights
Did you wean off them ? You done good to not have them for over a year :)
Do your other tablets keep it at bay for you ??
I hate the woozy feeling .. mad how these tablets effect people different
My mate takes 40mg up to 3 times a day if needed … then drives
I wouldn’t beable to drive with my wooziness on 10mg lol .. but maybe when it sets in and my body gets used to it then it might subside xxxx
I feel woozy all the while due to busy, involved, long dreams >:(
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I stopped due to having background headaches on waking and it being March 2020, needed to know ......... no problems at all.
My ADs help keep the depression under control in the day, I am deeply depressed in some of my dreams. Being able to lay in after a bad night helps a lot, no more alarms. I used to wake quite threatened when working regularly. It wasn't until I retired that I realised how shocked the alarm clock made me feel!
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I stopped due to having background headaches on waking and it being March 2020, needed to know ......... no problems at all.
My ADs help keep the depression under control in the day, I am deeply depressed in some of my dreams. Being able to lay in after a bad night helps a lot, no more alarms. I used to wake quite threatened when working regularly. It wasn't until I retired that I realised how shocked the alarm clock made me feel!
Madness .. it’s good you can lay in.
I can lay in now as I’m not at work but Sod’s law I’m always awake same time which why this is going on makes the days so longggg
Im glad your AD keep your depression in check
Mine used to be mornings .. I used to get up have sweating episodes but was all before I went to work .. then gradullay they came whenever they felt like it
I do speak out about it to anyone who listens lol better out than in ( I’ve got good mates that listen )
They also feel bad they can’t help but I tell them they do by listening to me drown on .. they all have own problems , menopause problems too but they take time to listen and to me that’s priceless and I’m lucky to have them.
I don’t remember many of my dreams .. I dreamt a few times my husband left me & I’ve told him these dreams but he says no chance of that ( no one would have him lol ) jokes aside tho I would be exhausted from some of your dreams.
Do you keep to certain bed times etc as in a routine .. I pretty much get into bed around 10 but still laying awake at silly o’clock .. then I end up looking at my phone and reading things
I tried one night to not even attempt to look at phone and my goooooood was the longest night ever
Xxxxx
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Yep. Like clockwork me. Unless it's warm enough to sit by the ponds on our patio watching for the 🦔 s and moths. Otherwise it's bath 🛀 at 9.00 p.m. with a Very Good Book 📖 and cuppa, 🍵 to take my meds with; into bed 🛌 by 10.30 and sleep. 😴 Lay in until 8.30+ unless we are due anywhere earlier. Look at the weather B4 deciding how to spend our day.
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Ola
Yeah, personally, if my body's flooded with adrenalin trying to deal with it via breathing exercises or listening to whale music is not only a waste of time but anxiety inducing in and of itself. However, once on a more even keel, it's a good way of maintaining a sense of well-being.
The switch won't stay flicked forever. Believe me. I'm pretty sure the adrenals can't keep pumping out the damn stuff at the rate required to live in a permanent panic attack. They had a good go with me :)
I was chatting to hubs earlier and he reminded me that when I was bad (felt like I had rats running around inside my skull and veins flooded with liquid fire) I would do repetitive tasks while trying (and often failing) to relax, e.g. cross stitch, crotchet, very intricate painting / colouring, fiddly mosaic, etc. It meant I didn't have to sit still, but could watch the telly, even if I couldn't quite follow anything due to the spiralling. I sort of learned after a bit to keep my mind busy (and distracted from the panic) by keeping my hands busy. I think this is relatively common for people with panic disorder.
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Thank you both …
I started taking the beta blocker once a day to get used to it in my system and only take the lowest dose which seems some what to help. It calms me enough for me not to get into a bigger panic
If I can stick to one a day then that’s fab but I know if I need to I can take more
At min 1 is doing me ok which I’m thankful for
I bloody hate this & how something can do this to our body
Mine always starts with a feeling of dread , stomach feels hungry pain butterflies can’t describe it .. then I get a fast heart beat ,that Feels like it’s pumping out my chest & feel like my head as a heart beat too & then body shakes start .. headrush feeling & feels like you feel a heart beat in my head pumping & internal shakes legs feel like Jelly and like someone is sitting on my shoulders , like my whole body is heavy feeling .. all this and obviously panic sets in and makes it worse … the proponol helps with this as in I don’t panic as much ( although feels like I do still think what’s happening ) and also I don’t feel my heart feel like it’s pounding after I’ve took the tablet … eventually as you all know this stops & the tab keeps me on a even all day kinda thing so far
I feel woozy when I take the tab but I suppose once my body gets used to it then prob won’t notice it as much
I haven’t tried the antidepressant
Yet as I’m on a cylcle ( first one since I took off patch ) and I couldn’t handle side effects on top of that ..
I’m not looking forward to side effects on the antidepressants but we will see , I can only try
I’m starting on half a tab of sertraline when I do
I hope you find somthing for you Avalon
And Elk I don’t know how you did it but I’m so happy that you got through it.
I didn’t know anything about what was happening to me when this first started I was like what the hell is this .. thinking I was on my way out kinda thing but since learnt about the aniexty
And also I know we all experience different when having these
I’m hoping in time I get some normality back , I’ve not suffered this long but long enough for me.
I wish I could Take it away for everyone but hearing peoples story’s on how people have overcome this
And how tabs help & people who have been on medication for years then don’t need it gives me that bit of hope.
Thanks all for your input I hope and wish you all the best Xx
Good luck xx
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Tried walking the dog with my son this avo and had a full blown panic attack. Chest pain, tachycardia, hyperventilating into the dog poop bag (without poop in it). Thought I was going to die on the street. Then thinking noone will know how to resuscitate me and I haven't done my will. Has anyone had worsening panic when starting antidepressants??
I hope you feel better now
I was told by my GP to expect aniexty to be heightened when starting antidepressants.. he also told me to take the proponol in hope that it will calm me enough
Apparently it’s a known side effect for first few days
How long have you been on this one ??
He is starting me on half a tablet also to try and ease it in so side effects aren’t too over whelming
Everyone who I spoke to , as said this lasts just a few days
Hope you feel ok & safe now Xx
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Thanks for your reply Michelle747. I have been on a 1/4 tab and for a couple of weeks and just started a half last couple of days. Had herbal tea and a hot bath with Mg and lavender. Appreciate your reassurance at this time.
I need to try the beta blocker twice a day also, but worried about triggering a bronchospasm.
I’m glad your ok .. as we all know these attacks go at the time we don’t feel that.
Wonder if it’s because of upping your dose , I hope things settle for you now
And I hope the AD helps you
I’m so petrified of taking them ( silly I know ) it’s just the side effects I’m worried about as I’ve never taken AD before ..
but in myself I know I need help.
I only take one beta blocker as I’m getting it into my system so it’s a new thing for me
Good luck with continuing the AD xx
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Nope. ADs kicked in: the thing that stopped me taking them, was intense nausea within days :'( : until I found a drug which worked 8)
I had no problems stopping Propranolol. The background headaches disappeared. Anxiety didn't get worse , fortunately. If 1 works, stick with that Michelle? MayB use it for now and begin the ADs next week? It can take a while for the latter to kick in and if the BB works ......... which AD, may I ask?
When I begin a new medication I take it at night or on a Friday so that I can rest over the weekend.
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Nope. ADs kicked in: the thing that stopped me taking them, was intense nausea within days :'( : until I found a drug which worked 8)
I had no problems stopping Propranolol. The background headaches disappeared. Anxiety didn't get worse , fortunately. If 1 works, stick with that Michelle? MayB use it for now and begin the ADs next week? It can take a while for the latter to kick in and if the BB works ......... which AD, may I ask?
When I begin a new medication I take it at night or on a Friday so that I can rest over the weekend.
Hi CLKD
Sertraline 25mg for week and then 50mg after
I hope I can handle them
I’ve been taking the proponol each morning for past 3 days
How long before you can take another one ? If I needed too as says I can take 3 x daily 10mg is the dose I’m using
I’m glad your aniexty never came back worse CLKD :) and I’m glad that your in a better place
Xxx
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I have been on AD's in the past Michelle and any withdrawal needs to be done very, very gradually. It's tricky as the tablets can only be broken down so far. I have cut back to a quarter tab today. Very unimpressed with this AD gig. My doc suggested an alternative but they make you fat. Was on one for years that made me prediabetic, sky high cholesterol. I am a sluggish metaboliser though.
All the best with yours! We gotta do what we gotta do to cope.
Hi
This will be my very first try of AD
I’m struggling with sleep since I started Propanol I was never a great sleeper but this is worse & my burning pain in which I’ve had since June is burning worse it’s near my left ribs & I just don’t know what it is & what too do for the best
I take omperzole daily already
They said will investigate that after getting aniexty under control.
I’ve had about 2 hours sleep & yesturday about 3
I feel awful in myself , waves of nausea and struggling to eat because of this , but nothing I can do
I would call the GP buy everything is put down to aniexty
It’s draining & I ain’t even started the AD yet … jeeeeeeeeez
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Perhaps some drowsy antihistamine for a few nights rest may be helpful? That's what I resort to despite the drying effects. Some decent kip helps to lower my adrenaline surges. So very frustrating with the night time pain though, isn't it. I've recently had bouts of diverticulitis pain (usually left sided) and a throbbing knee. Hate this getting old and decrepit gig. I read seretonin helps with gut motility which might help to counteract any sluggishness caused by progesterone?
I thought you were Michelle 747 like a plane!
Haaa 74 year I was born
I wish I was a plane Id have more motivation lol
It’s tiring & awful .. it’s seems one thing after another & when all this feeling is new to you it becomes too much as in new I mean aniexty since April but so much more intense now
The proponol makes you feel calm but to have no sleep and constantly have this burning & funny feeling near heart area then I’m not sure if I want it but have sent GP message
I walked a flight of stairs and was out of breath that’s never me but then that could be the no sleep taking it’s toll
I will get there with or without this proponol as I have too ..
I’m not too sure what I can and can’t take as I’m on warfarin so I always double check with GP & Pharmacist
I’m still laying in bed in any attempt that I can drop off even for just one hour but I know it won’t happen.
I’ve not taken the proponol today yet as I’ll await and see what GP suggests and I only take one a day so I can take later if need be.
And funny enough I don’t feel that anxious yet .. YET lol 😂
The life of a women …. The joys
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Keep taking the Propranolol. I always allow 4-6 hours between any medication that I need. What you are on is slow release so should give benefit. MayB your brain is overthinking, I used to wake 2 C whether the medication was working ::) or 2 C if I was in panic mode >:(
I found that getting out of bed and working through my list of chores, written the previous evening, helped. Didn't have to actually focus on much except getting to mid-morning when I would improve a little, probably due to breakfast kicking in.
Anxiety can be caused by taking shallow breaths so no wonder you were aware when walking up stairs!
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Hi Michelle
Sorry to hear about your woes. I haven't read all of the thread - the first couple of pages and a few on this page.
However I really wanted to say that Propanolol is a heart medication - a beta-blocker designed to treat heart problems - but is also used to treat anxiety. However if you have normal or low blood pressure then taking it can lead to side effects indicative of low blood pressure - I would say - like light-headedness, dizziness especially on getting up after bending down etc.
I have normal to low blood pressure and I would NEVER take this medication for this reason - even if I wanted something for anxiety, notwithstanding that others are finding it helpful and without side effects. If you have a BP monitor then I suggest you use it regularly. Try taking 3 BP readings, 3 times a day while sitting down and 30 mins after eating/caffeine etc? Whatever the instructions are anyway. I might be wrong in your case but it sounds like it could be lowering your BP more than desirable?
I hope you feel better soon. Yes don't rule out returning to HRT - it may well be that you haven't yet found the right dose/type yet.
Hurdity x
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Propranolol didn't make any difference to me initially other than ease anxiety. I was on 80mg 3 times a day for 3 months, then 40 mg twice a day. I have to say that I never registered on DH's BP home monitor though ::)
He would take his readings B4 breakfast at 7.30 a.m.
Let us know how you get on. Keep to a regime at least for 5-6 weeks then review.
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Propranolol didn't make any difference to me initially other than ease anxiety. I was on 80mg 3 times a day for 3 months, then 40 mg twice a day. I have to say that I never registered on DH's BP home monitor though ::)
He would take his readings B4 breakfast at 7.30 a.m.
Let us know how you get on. Keep to a regime at least for 5-6 weeks then review.
Morning CLKD
My Bp usually spikes when aniexty panic kick in.
I have a home monitor but I haven’t taken today as prob show being on the high side from lack of sleep
Gp will call today and no doubt say it’s aniexty
But this burning is too much
Started in June and they have me omperzole and I’ve taken as I’ve been told & yet it’s still there
Considering I’ve have no sleep I don’t actually feel anxious but this burning is intense
I think the lack of sleep is from the proponol as I know thts a side effect
I haven’t took it today as Wanna speak to GP first
I’ve only been having 10mg once a day and last time I had it was yesterday morning.
The out of breath was a new thing for me but again lack of sleep I know can contribute to that ..
I’m still laying in bed lol
I’ve had breakfast .. just one hours sleep would be great
Thanks for replying
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Propranolol is a calming drug, which is why it is banned from all sports events. It is very unlikely to cause lack of sleep. Worrying about not sleeping is the main cause for intermittent waking, not dropping off, worrying about issues .......... been through all of these in my longevity,, never blamed my medication ;-)
Get out of bed and get on? Use some of that energy up which is keeping you awake. If you were going to sleep you would have by now. I'm lucky in that I can catch up in the afternoon, once my brain shuts off that's it: 😴- I get grumpy then if DH is rustling the keyboard, or newspaper pages, or moving his feet >:( and apparently I give a deep moan to shut him up, without actually waking ;D
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Hi Michelle
Sorry to hear about your woes. I haven't read all of the thread - the first couple of pages and a few on this page.
However I really wanted to say that Propanolol is a heart medication - a beta-blocker designed to treat heart problems - but is also used to treat anxiety. However if you have normal or low blood pressure then taking it can lead to side effects indicative of low blood pressure - I would say - like light-headedness, dizziness especially on getting up after bending down etc.
I have normal to low blood pressure and I would NEVER take this medication for this reason - even if I wanted something for anxiety, notwithstanding that others are finding it helpful and without side effects. If you have a BP monitor then I suggest you use it regularly. Try taking 3 BP readings, 3 times a day while sitting down and 30 mins after eating/caffeine etc? Whatever the instructions are anyway. I might be wrong in your case but it sounds like it could be lowering your BP more than desirable?
I hope you feel better soon. Yes don't rule out returning to HRT - it may well be that you haven't yet found the right dose/type yet.
Hurdity x
Hi hurdity
Thank you for replying
I only take this once a day and smallest dose and usually BP only spikes when I have bad aniexty
When I’ve taken this tablet I always check on after noon my BP and it’s always been fine .. as I say I only take 10mg once per day
I think this is causing my sleep problems as before this tab was never that bad, I haven’t yet taken it because I’ll speak with GP first
My burning sensation that I get as been since June , they gave me omperzole and I take daily as prescribed
Sometimes it takes away the intensity of the burn but it always comes back
Last night & night before was intense burning.
Gp said he will investigate when I have aniexty under-control ( that was when he was prescribing AD which I haven’t yet started )
Since this burning started in June I lost appetite.. always feel nausea and have to force myself to eat .. I lost 18lb since the burning before that even if I tried to lose weight I couldn’t and again They saying it could be aniexty
Bloody annoying
I wouldn’t beable to handle the side effects of a AD with all this going on.
I would never rule out using HRT again as I know my body will need it , but I need to let my hormones settle a little first
Thankyou for caring and replying
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Propranolol is a calming drug, which is why it is banned from all sports events. It is very unlikely to cause lack of sleep. Worrying about not sleeping is the main cause for intermittent waking, not dropping off, worrying about issues .......... been through all of these in my longevity,, never blamed my medication ;-)
Get out of bed and get on? Use some of that energy up which is keeping you awake. If you were going to sleep you would have by now. I'm lucky in that I can catch up in the afternoon, once my brain shuts off that's it: 😴- I get grumpy then if DH is rustling the keyboard, or newspaper pages, or moving his feet >:( and apparently I give a deep moan to shut him up, without actually waking ;D
I heard every snore my husband did last night and fart 😂😂😂
It does say that side effect insomnia on the label …
Then burning well no that’s not tab doing that as I’ve had it before I even thought of taking proponol
I wish it would all kindly do one lol
Today I feel heavy body because of no sleep .. drained as it’s been happening for a few nights
I’ve taken my omperzole this morning and still then burning continues
It’s Getting on my nerves now lol
Thanks CLKD:)
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MayB think your diet through 2 C if there is a food trigger for the burning. I can't burp - so DH has to manipulate my back and shoulders to move wind around >:(
Off to sort stuff. Woozy or not, here I come ;)
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Hi Michelle,
If you can't sleep, I would try get up and crack on with the day?
I have early waking and pounding heart (low oestrogen still I think!) but if I lie there, tossing and turning, it drives me mad! Today i have the heavy body and feeling out of sorts, but I know it is due lack of restorative sleep.
I also have propranalol for anxiety, but have perfect blood pressure, so not touching it now I ve decided!
What are your plans for today Michelle?
Has the bleed descended yet?
CBD oil? Ever given it a thought for anxiety? Maybe a low strength one to start with?
Or those CBD sweets? Decent quality are also meant to be good for anxiety and sleep issues?
CBD tea can be good for relaxation, day or night?
Hope today isn't too bad for you.
xx
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Hi Michelle,
If you can't sleep, I would try get up and crack on with the day?
I have early waking and pounding heart (low oestrogen still I think!) but if I lie there, tossing and turning, it drives me mad! Today i have the heavy body and feeling out of sorts, but I know it is due lack of restorative sleep.
I also have propranalol for anxiety, but have perfect blood pressure, so not touching it now I ve decided!
What are your plans for today Michelle?
Has the bleed descended yet?
CBD oil? Ever given it a thought for anxiety? Maybe a low strength one to start with?
Or those CBD sweets? Decent quality are also meant to be good for anxiety and sleep issues?
CBD tea can be good for relaxation, day or night?
Hope today isn't too bad for you.
xx
Hi Nas
Sorry onli just see this
I did get up and just cracked on and sat down when I felt like I was gonna pass out
The bleed is heavy but not as crampy as it was past few months so that’s a good thing
Today I went and actually see GP to do with the burning ribs and stomach
They have prescribed Rintadine to see if that helps
And also having more bloods and stool samples took
then will have camera down , because she concerned with the weight loss and me always feeling nausea dry heaving and gagging almost choking on food. I dont eat as much as I normally do as I can’t face it sometimes and I force myself to eat due to lack of appetite since this burning started & It’s been going on since June but I always put it down to hormones lol I’ve been taking omperzole for it but comes back and acid in throat.
She told me not to take the antidepressants yet as they could cause extra nausea , stomach problems and need to sort this one first
Said because I’m on warfarin she don’t want the stomach to become too tender and bleed as the tablets can increase bleeding.
She did say the proponol as a side effect of insomnia , but I can stop them as I hadn’t taken them for that long and was on smallest dose
She said insomnia can also trigger off aniexty said so it’s always like a viscous circle
I was so shaky & nervous when I got to the GP just as I was other day going to hospital , but I pushed myself in and told them I’m having a moment & I went in waiting room calmed myself down and I felt bit better before seeing GP :) still shaky but not as bad as when I arrived
After I left I was ok madness lol 😂
So from a slow start & it was a productive finish ..
I’m now retired to bed & hope tonight I sleep ..
Hope your ok and have had a good day today :)
Thanks for replying xxx
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Hi Michelle,
how're you doing today? Good to hear that the GP took your concerns seriously and you'll be thoroughly examined.
Are you going to wait now with the beta blocker and AD until the stomach issues are solved?
At my end things pretty stable, certainly not feeling great, but also not as bad as I did during the worst times, so I guess that's progress and I"m grateful even for smallest steps forward.
I have a weird thing going on with sleep now, I sleep super well every other night and then the other one I can't sleep almost at all. ::) So its like one night with 9 hours deep sleep and the following with 1 hour. Just so weird and I don't know what's causing this, so just trying to relax the best I can.
Take care of yourself and let us know how you get on! xxx
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Hi Michelle,
how're you doing today? Good to hear that the GP took your concerns seriously and you'll be thoroughly examined.
Are you going to wait now with the beta blocker and AD until the stomach issues are solved?
At my end things pretty stable, certainly not feeling great, but also not as bad as I did during the worst times, so I guess that's progress and I"m grateful even for smallest steps forward.
I have a weird thing going on with sleep now, I sleep super well every other night and then the other one I can't sleep almost at all. ::) So its like one night with 9 hours deep sleep and the following with 1 hour. Just so weird and I don't know what's causing this, so just trying to relax the best I can.
Take care of yourself and let us know how you get on! xxx
Hi EllaAurora
Yes Gp advised not to take antidepressants until this issue is resolved as could cause more stomach issues with nausea etc
I haven’t taken the aniexty tablet since Sunday and slept well last night .. 11.20 to 6.45 & think I woke up just once
I don’t usually sleep fantastic but last weekend was so bad with no sleep.
Today I’ve been ok not so jittery but I think it’s because I know my stomach is more acid than anything kinda puts mind at ease .. only because of the symptoms they all add up to GERD kinda thing
The tablets the GP prescribed are not on the Market anymore so Waiting for another prescription but still taking Omperzole
I have bloods tomorrow at GP surgery
And then it’s basically go from there
Im happy you feeling a bit more settled the sleep thing is annoying isn’t it .. because the no sleep days make the next day a lot worse in more ways than one.
I’ve still on 1st bleed since coming off patches
so it’s like all is going on with me at minute.. but I’ve gotta stay focused and positive things can only get better right ??
All small steps are positive :) hopefully we soon have big steps
Hopefully things start to even out better for us both soon & we finally feel human again
Xxxxx
Thanks for replying EllaAurora xxx
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Hi Michelle,
If you can't sleep, I would try get up and crack on with the day?
I have early waking and pounding heart (low oestrogen still I think!) but if I lie there, tossing and turning, it drives me mad! Today i have the heavy body and feeling out of sorts, but I know it is due lack of restorative sleep.
I also have propranalol for anxiety, but have perfect blood pressure, so not touching it now I ve decided!
What are your plans for today Michelle?
Has the bleed descended yet?
CBD oil? Ever given it a thought for anxiety? Maybe a low strength one to start with?
Or those CBD sweets? Decent quality are also meant to be good for anxiety and sleep issues?
CBD tea can be good for relaxation, day or night?
Hope today isn't too bad for you.
xx
Hey Nas
How you feeling today ?
Hope your ok
CBD oil or supplements have you used any ?? How do they make you feel as in woozy high etc
I’ve heard of them but know nothing about them at all …
Hope your having a good day
I have a GP appointment for bloods so as you can imagine my aniexty and panic have set in already infact since I woke up because I know I’ve gotta go out
I’m trying to relax and breath as I know I’ll be fine but the working up to it is soooooo bad
I’ve never been like this before as in this bad only past month or two as been the worse for me
I’m hoping once I get my stomach problems sorted that it will calm down a bit more as when they started this kinda got worse and maybe they interact with each other and make it worse.
Couldn’t start the new medication they prescribed as it’s been taken off the market so awaiting a new prescription to be done
I used to think all this was just hormones but I’m not sure now as I know our hormones fluctuate but can they actually cause all this fear and panic from no where
One day I will maybe understand it all ( probably not lol ) one day I will be back to my self and live a normal life.
GP said could be a number of things causing it as in Covid I had end January
March and June I had covid jabs & then hormones playing up on top of that.
Funnily after both jabs I had the worse aniexty .. 3 weeks and 2 weeks after the jab but that could be me waiting for symptoms with all the bad press in the news about how it affected people
But it deffo got worse after this burning pain .. which was 12 days after 2nd jab in June
I hope that once I have stomach under control I can then control all this better :)
Hope your having a better day & a non worry jittery day
Xxx