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Title: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Mummytron on August 05, 2021, 01:19:50 AM
Hi
I could really do with some advice and sympathy. I'm awake, woke and hour ago to sweating and pain in my lower stomach. I am just getting over a uti so I will check with the gp tomorrow but I needed to ask if thix could be hormonal too?
I dont know who I am anymore,  anxious, in general pain, tired, periods are a mess. I'm 45. I could cry (and often do) I'm irritable, have headaches, hot and I've had enough.
Blood tests are ok. I don't have any female  family members to discuss it with and really need some support.
Can it really make me so ill?
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Cookie25 on August 05, 2021, 05:41:38 AM
Awh Mummytron

I hope you got back to sleep?
I feel your pain as I'm also having a rough time. Hopefully someone will come along with advice for you. I live in hope of finding an hrt regime that works for me. Have faith, things will improve.
Cookie25
Xxxxx
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Gynaikeíos on August 05, 2021, 06:59:42 AM
Hello Mummytron, many sympathies.
I hope you have had some sleep since, too.

I do not yet know what the sweating is like, but I do get pains in my lower stomach. Like period pain but not the same. For me it is linked with the VA around the start of a period. When that keeps me from sleeping soundy, I go down as quietly as possible and make toast with good butter, and a mug of tea and when I have eaten and had the drink, I take ibuprofen with water (A GP said that ibuprofen needs taken after a small amount of food). Then I  go back to bed, put on the headphones and try to listen to something nice or funny on streaming or the radio until I can drift off.
Would you perhaps adapt the idea to yourself, maybe?

I hope your talking with your GP is productive. There are lots of ladies on the forum with every single sort of experience to discuss with you, so you are not alone.

With all best wishes.


Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: jaypo on August 05, 2021, 07:19:03 AM
How are you today? If things are getting too bad,speak to your Dr about HRT maybe? The night sweats are very normal,I've had them and hot flushes for years now but thankfully they don't bother me quite so much now,the pain could be VA like gynaikeios said,UTI's are also common during meno,there are many symptoms,joint pain,allergies,nausea,the list sadly goes on.Let us know how it goes and DO speak to your Dr
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Mummytron on August 05, 2021, 07:33:23 AM
I did get back to sleep on the sofa thankfully. Woken up and have come on. Feel awful. I'm so fed up with how ill it makes me now. Does anyone get armpit pain?
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Mummytron on August 05, 2021, 07:40:32 AM
Also when you say VA, does that pain happen low in the stomach, sort of where the top of your public hair would start?
I really appreciate all your support. I'm a wreck this morning.
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Gynaikeíos on August 05, 2021, 08:14:30 AM
Also when you say VA, does that pain happen low in the stomach, sort of where the top of your public hair would start?
I really appreciate all your support. I'm a wreck this morning.

For me it does. Below the belly button and yes, where period cramps happen. It is because of reduction in oestrogen in peri and how that restricts normal secretions. 
My GP did check that there was nothing else wrong - nothing that an exam of the abdomen would show, and then we talked about effects of VA once she had ruled out other things such as UTI as well.





Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: jaypo on August 05, 2021, 10:44:46 AM
Yes for me too,exactly where you are describing like just above the pubic bone,get to the Dr and discuss some vagifem etc UTIs can become bothersome too,you need to get some advice as where to go with this before it gets out of hand,I'm personally not on HRT but a lot of ladies on here couldn't cope without it
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Mummytron on August 05, 2021, 05:58:40 PM
Thanks, I'm getting over the mother of all UTIs and my god I've been ill. Can vagifem  help with those pains then? Is that for prescription?
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Gynaikeíos on August 05, 2021, 07:47:14 PM
Aw, you are having a difficult time, sorry for you. So the extra pain is on top of what  you  had with the UTI?

Vagifem is a prescription medicine containing low dose of oestrogen. I think it is applied as a pessary in the vagina as detailed by a GP. There are ladies in the forum who use that form. I am prescribed a low oestrogen cream which does the same thing more or less.
The low dose is applied where it is needed and allows the vagina and around the bladder and  urethra to regain their moisture, elasticity and suppleness, and that reduces pain and burning feelings from the dryness that is caused by oestrogen level dropping during perimenopause.

I think VA makes it easier to come down with a UTI, so maybe for you the two situations are linked? It is worth talking about that with your GP.
Maybe also ask about other pains you have?

I hope you sleep better tonight, and have a successful talk with your GP, who already knows you have had treatment for UTI.

I hand you a big cup of virtual warm, comforting drink for night-time ☕

 
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Joaniepat on August 05, 2021, 07:47:36 PM
Thanks, I'm getting over the mother of all UTIs and my god I've been ill. Can vagifem  help with those pains then? Is that for prescription?
Vagifem is a local oestrogen treatment and can help prevent UTIs, because the whole urogenital area is oestrogen dependent. There are oestrogen receptors in the trigone area (lower part) of the bladder, and lack of oestrogen makes the bladder lining less robust and more prone to infection. Vagifem is available on prescription. Lots of info about it on the forum, have a browse. Hope you feel better soon.

JP x
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: loonarider on August 05, 2021, 08:02:26 PM
Hi
I could really do with some advice and sympathy. I'm awake, woke and hour ago to sweating and pain in my lower stomach. I am just getting over a uti so I will check with the gp tomorrow but I needed to ask if thix could be hormonal too?
I dont know who I am anymore,  anxious, in general pain, tired, periods are a mess. I'm 45. I could cry (and often do) I'm irritable, have headaches, hot and I've had enough.
Blood tests are ok. I don't have any female  family members to discuss it with and really need some support.
Can it really make me so ill?

I'm suffering the same symtpoms as you. I don't even look forward going to bed. Not to mention breathing issues and sleep apnea (I think) at night.

Patches have given me flushes which I never had before, so now at a loss and need to change the hrt.

Everyday, there is something, some jiggling pain to bother me. Fed up, don't know who I am anymore and tired of complaining

Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: jaypo on August 06, 2021, 07:44:40 AM
Complain as much as you like my lovely,we've ALL done it on here,I believe some ladies DO have to tweak away at their HRT,never suffer in silence,keep going back to your GP,threaten them with ........the women on MM told me to come see you.
Mummytron,like the other ladies said,vagifem is good,if the inside walls of vagina are becoming thin and or dry,UTIs will pounce,so get yourself off to the Dr and please let us know how you get on
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Mummytron on August 06, 2021, 12:41:00 PM
Thank you so much everyone, you have no idea how much it means to have a virtual support group!
Yes, I have had a bad uti and then have a heavy period just as I was starting to pick up from the uti.  :-\
The hot flushes are the worst symptom for me now but they seem to be more flushing then not!
I will try to talk to the GP, sadly we never speak to the same one so can be difficult to get a conversation going.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Mummytron on August 07, 2021, 02:02:27 PM
Sorry all, I'm back again.
I'm struggling. I need someone to describe their hot flushes to me please. I've just become incredibly hot, felt weak and shaky, absolutely awful actually. I've convinced myself it's something sinister because I cant believe flushes can make you so unwell. I seem to be getting them a lot too, many times an hour.
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: jaypo on August 07, 2021, 02:07:21 PM
That's ok,no need to apologise,flushes come in all shapes and sizes,mine used to come after a rush of adrenaline which can really freak you out,as it did me,plus anxiety on top and you can feel pretty awful. Some women get 50 flushes a day,some only a few,night sweats are something else to be aware of,mine start with a burning sensation,either in my abdomen or lower back,it's all par for the course. Have you eaten ? The shakes can be your body needing sugar
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Mummytron on August 07, 2021, 02:32:02 PM
I get shaky and weak like a sugar drop, perhaps I'll need to check if there's a pattern. I'm off work at the moment as I work in a school but I honestly can't see me being able to work like this. It's so horrible.
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Mummytron on August 07, 2021, 02:45:58 PM
I'm having night sweats I think, I wake up and if I'm not already hot it comes on soon after. Normally by the time I'm back after a wee! I'm so scared about these hot feelings. Can't see how women function.
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Gynaikeíos on August 07, 2021, 03:58:25 PM
Are you eating well enough to convalesce (thank you predictive text!) after your UTI, Mummytron?
Signals between hunger and anxiety get muddled, so make a fuss of yourself,,, something nice you find to be a comfort food? Chicken soup? Porridge for steady release energy, maybe?

Oh, and complain away, loonarider. It sounds too much not to say something about it.

Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Michelle7474 on August 07, 2021, 04:15:13 PM
I never had flushes as much .. but it was like someone turned on my internal heating .. I would get red hot and face stayed hot for ages
Can he very scary when they first happen infact that set off my first aniexty episode at work
The heat was intense & I panicked ( never used to panick ) this day I did
Which obviously made me go into a aniexty episode ( wasn’t aware this was aniexty ) i didn’t know what it was
My BP & Heart rate went sky high as worked in care home they had checked it and called for ambulance as I’ve never been like that before

All checks and bloods done and they asked do I have aniexty attacks to which I was like no what’s one of those and they  told me what I had experienced was one

Now I get them without heat lol it’s like my body always went into panic mode and they come nilly Willy and often starts as a hungry feeling , strange  old thing I’ll never understand them

I still get hot episodes but I control them better now :)

Us women go through a lot xx
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Mogster71 on August 07, 2021, 04:24:05 PM
You poor thing, it sounds like you're really suffering.
I have been pretty lucky in terms of flushing (never really had them) but it is my understanding that the vasomotor symptoms are one of the first things that improve with HRT.

Peri really is a sh*t time...you have my complete sympathy. Even though I didn't get flushes I had nausea, daily (and I mean, daily ALL DAY) headaches, dizziness, "fizzy" head, the works. I was sick of feeling rough most days and not wanting to plan anything because I didn't know how I'd feel. Its only now looking back that I remember how much I cried!! And swore haha. I also get that "weak" feeling and I do believe it is hormonal. A bit like how you'd feel if you need to eat something as it's been too long.

I'm not saying its a magic bullet but HRT has really helped me. It did take me several attempts to find the one thing, but this works for now and I'll do what it takes to get through it. What also helped me is understanding that these ruddy hormones can make you feel pretty ropey but it will pass. Not wishing to trivialise what you're going through in the slightest, but sometimes understanding whats causing the panic or symptom, can make it easier to cope with.

Try again with your GP, if you can find an understanding one at the practice then all the better... or have a chat with the practice manager to see if there's any one of them which have a better knowledge of female health.
I truly hope you feel a little brighter soon and remember we are all here x




Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Mummytron on August 07, 2021, 05:10:53 PM
Thank you all so much. I am struggling at the moment as I just don't get any peace from it. I will take on board everything, look after myself a bit better (impatient) and try again with the gp.
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: jaypo on August 07, 2021, 05:30:15 PM
Ask at your surgery if they have anyone that's menopause savvy,it does all sound familiar,so please try not to worry too much,your flushes are being triggered by cortisol,you should really ask about HRT
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Michelle7474 on August 10, 2021, 05:48:22 PM
How are you feeling now mummy
I hope you have had better days
I hate reading us women are suffering
I hope you find something that helps you.. peri is awful and I’m only at the beginning … maybe because I get it all at beginning by this time next year I’ll be grand 😂😂 positive thinking me

Take care and let us know how you get on . This site is great , someone always comes along and offers advice and the fact that someone is reading and replying always helps a little
I rant away me lol
I get sick of myself ranting so others around me must too .. that’s why this site is great .. we all have this same thing in common and I presume we would all like to come back as men lol

Xxx
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Gynaikeíos on August 10, 2021, 07:38:34 PM
Weeeeeeeelllll, I for one would like to come back as a giraffe 🦒   ;D
Excellent size. Beautiful eyes. Deadly kick. No menopause.

I am learning all the time! Cortisol is making us hot and bothered physically? Does it upset mood and emotional life Metaphorically?
Our brains are layered, so where is Cortisol released from? How does it affect our feelings as it travels through our brains? Does it occur in our guts?

How did your talk with your GP result, Mummytron?
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: jaypo on August 11, 2021, 07:34:09 AM
Cortisol is known as the stress hormone.......need I say more  :o
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Chrissyjo on August 11, 2021, 09:06:54 AM
Hello yes my flushes are just as bad as yours, I feel weak and shaken up too. Plus I get heart palpitations. I can have them all day sometimes.
The more you stress the more flushes you will have.
I had a nasty one at the chemist today as there was lots of people around and the heaters were pumping. Nightmare  :o
I prefer being alone these days and I can easier relax through the flush by myself
Just try and breath through it and stay calm or it will keep going
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Mummytron on August 11, 2021, 06:29:53 PM
Hi all,
Thanks all for keeping an eye on me, it's such a lovely, supportive site.
I haven't spoken to the GP yet, I'm thinking of waiting until the school holidays are over. Making up for not feeling up to much for the first part and getting a few days away with the kiddies. My husband is amazing and trying all he can to make things easy, I know I'm very lucky and tomorrow we celebrate our 10th wedding anniversary!
I will definitely check back on everyone too.
X
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: Michelle7474 on August 11, 2021, 06:51:48 PM
Hi all,
Thanks all for keeping an eye on me, it's such a lovely, supportive site.
I haven't spoken to the GP yet, I'm thinking of waiting until the school holidays are over. Making up for not feeling up to much for the first part and getting a few days away with the kiddies. My husband is amazing and trying all he can to make things easy, I know I'm very lucky and tomorrow we celebrate our 10th wedding anniversary!
I will definitely check back on everyone too.
X
Happy wedding Anniversary for tomorrow ❤️ It’s good to have a good understanding husband
Mine listens, don’t understand it much as as I don’t
But he will always do his Best to make me feel better
We have been together 25 years ..

Have a great time away & try relax .. easier said than done most times but enjoy xxx
Title: Re: Is peri really this bad?
Post by: jaypo on August 11, 2021, 07:44:01 PM
Happy anniversary  :)