Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Sleepy123 on September 28, 2020, 09:28:51 AM
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I know this might sound a bit weird, but my menopause journey was fairly quick (due to previous ovary operation), and although HRT symptoms have almost settled down, I appear to have developed ‘wrinkles/bags’ under my eyes which were never there before!
I know I’m not a spring chicken anymore and it’s probably due to the drop in estrogen, but has anyone else had this problem?
And can you suggest a really good eye cream ???
My sleep has been a bit random because I’m experimenting between 0.25g and 0.50g, but this is really starting to get annoying :(
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That’s very interesting because I get loose bags under my eyes when my estrogen is too low.
Upping my patch or gel gets rid of them within days.
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Thanks for your replies ladies :)
I tried Evorel 0.50 and even though I slept really well and my skin looked great, I couldn’t cope with the strange dreams and I couldn’t concentrate in work because my head felt so foggy! :o
So I have decided to stick with 0.25 for now and see what happens.
Last night I took a paracetamol and an ibroprofen for a backache and I have to say it’s the best night sleep I had in ages !!!
I have ordered an Elemis eye cream, I know it’s a bit pricey but I’m desperate to try anything! And the reviews are quite good
I will let you know how I get on!
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This is really interesting because I've noticed this in the past week. I did say on this forum once before that I noticed crow's feet suddenly appear after I was using vagifem and stopped. I know it goes against the theory of that only being local, but I've been having some weird effects suggesting for me it might be getting into my system more (migraines, sensitivity to sound, very deep sleep, etc).
But in the past week it's just a 'bags under the eyes' look that I don't usually notice. I'm having quite a lot of 'low oestrogen' problems this week. I'm on Evorel Sequi and not sure it's helping this month, at least as much as it had been. Do people get higher dose patches as they go along?
Hope you find something that works for you Sleepy123
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Hey, I’m new so hello !! I’ve noticed this too - I do unfortunately have bags anyway but the last few days they look dreadful - my boobs are so sore too and I have a pain under the right one which generates round my back too - I’m hoping they’re all linked to low oestrogen as I suffer with health anxiety and trying desperately not to go down the scary road in my brain. Nice to be here anyway - think it’s going to be a huge help for me on this journey which I must be on as I’m 52!! ;)
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I have baggy eyes,baggy boobs, baggy bottom... In fact the only this that isn't baggy on me are my clothes :-\
Love to all x
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I notice my eyes are strange looking in utrogestan days, like puffy weird!😔
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I notice my eyes are strange looking in utrogestan days, like puffy weird!😔
Did you ever get this resolved?
I’ve just started and my eyes are terrible 😢
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Hello Sjcrazy and welcome to the forum.
I see that you have found an old thread and you are looking for an update. I know that jaypo and KaraShannon are still active on the forum so perhaps they will be along to help you.
In the meantime I wanted to add that I developed bags under my eyes after a viral infection and because I still felt unwell I went to my doctor who diagnosed me with Hashimotos Thyroiditis. I was prescribed Levothyroxine and I recovered and the bags disappeared. If you have been ill lately it might be worth checking in with your doctor.
Take care.
K.
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I've had eye bags since my 40s, probably due to sinus problems. I've tried every cream and gadget under the sun to no avail, nothing except surgery would remove them however good skin care has probably stopped it getting too bad. I use Face Theory products.
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Any advice on eye cream welcome. I've tried a few to no avail and they are not cheap a lot of them! It seems eons ago when I looked in the mirror and I had no bags! Wish I'd appreciated it more!
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L'oreal revitalift eye cream helps with the ( I insist on calling them this) laughter lines , yes do note this....( laughter,not age and stress😂)
Made a difference and good for my sensitive skin.
I get mind in Savers chemisty shop, but cheaper but lasts for ages
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There’s an interesting and wide ranging video by Zoe here https://youtu.be/LJC0igfCywE?si=30ZVyuPSOtI6GS0x
Zoe are science backed and impartial. My takeaways were nutritious diet, water and creams containing vit c and retinol are the only things to scientifically help.
I use a lovely vit c eye serum by The Ordinary. The Boots No7 Damage Reversal, with spf 40 has helped my menopausal skin, especially the dark patches. It’s quite heavy though and needs time to absorb before putting make up on. They also do a cream especially for menopausal skin, so I wonder if they do an eye cream too? I can’t help feeling it’s the same as their other creams, but with a menopause mark up ;D
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This is really interesting because I've noticed this in the past week. I did say on this forum once before that I noticed crow's feet suddenly appear after I was using vagifem and stopped. I know it goes against the theory of that only being local, but I've been having some weird effects suggesting for me it might be getting into my system more (migraines, sensitivity to sound, very deep sleep, etc).
But in the past week it's just a 'bags under the eyes' look that I don't usually notice. I'm having quite a lot of 'low oestrogen' problems this week. I'm on Evorel Sequi and not sure it's helping this month, at least as much as it had been. Do people get higher dose patches as they go along?
Hope you find something that works for you Sleepy123
KaraShannon - I know this is a bit off topic, so I'll make a new post, but I'm really interested in your observation that vaginal oestrogen can have some systemic effects...
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I use Cerave eye repair cream as I have sensitive skin under eyes, not sure it helps! But I have noticed that this baggy under eye thing has definitely improved since I started HRT a few months ago.
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This is really interesting because I've noticed this in the past week. I did say on this forum once before that I noticed crow's feet suddenly appear after I was using vagifem and stopped. I know it goes against the theory of that only being local, but I've been having some weird effects suggesting for me it might be getting into my system more (migraines, sensitivity to sound, very deep sleep, etc).
But in the past week it's just a 'bags under the eyes' look that I don't usually notice. I'm having quite a lot of 'low oestrogen' problems this week. I'm on Evorel Sequi and not sure it's helping this month, at least as much as it had been. Do people get higher dose patches as they go along?
Hope you find something that works for you Sleepy123
KaraShannon - I know this is a bit off topic, so I'll make a new post, but I'm really interested in your observation that vaginal oestrogen can have some systemic effects...
No probs, I just returned to this anyway and I have more to say on this subject for the original poster.
But yes, for me vaginal oestrogen reliably brings about migraine, sensitivity to sound and a dizzy feeling. I'm still trying to work out what to do about it. I manage on a 'crumb' of the vaginal tablet but any more than that used and I am way too uncomfortable all day, really badly with postural hypotension etc.
My oestrogen was way too high though, so it might just be that. I'm gradually reducing the patch, then I will measure my oestrogen levels and when they are in the normal range I'll gradually try the vaginal oestrogen again. I did have a time when I could use it, so here's hoping.
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There’s an interesting and wide ranging video by Zoe here https://youtu.be/LJC0igfCywE?si=30ZVyuPSOtI6GS0x
Zoe are science backed and impartial. My takeaways were nutritious diet, water and creams containing vit c and retinol are the only things to scientifically help.
I use a lovely vit c eye serum by The Ordinary. The Boots No7 Damage Reversal, with spf 40 has helped my menopausal skin, especially the dark patches. It’s quite heavy though and needs time to absorb before putting make up on. They also do a cream especially for menopausal skin, so I wonder if they do an eye cream too? I can’t help feeling it’s the same as their other creams, but with a menopause mark up ;D
This is interesting. I've also heard that hyalauronic acid works, though it's not supposed to be used near the eyes I did hear a longevity scientist say he did, he was just careful not to get it in the eyes.
Another thing I'm wondering about is oestrogen cream for the face. If there's such a thing. I vaguely remember coming across it on the net some years back when I was worried about this.
Interestingly for the original poster, I stopped noticing it and I think it went away (the baggy eyes thing). If I notice anything like that about my appearance it's always when I'm on the combined (progesterone) patches, not the estradiol, so I'm imagining it's a low oestrogen thing (or a progesterone induced thing).
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There’s an interesting and wide ranging video by Zoe here https://youtu.be/LJC0igfCywE?si=30ZVyuPSOtI6GS0x
Zoe are science backed and impartial. My takeaways were nutritious diet, water and creams containing vit c and retinol are the only things to scientifically help.
I use a lovely vit c eye serum by The Ordinary. The Boots No7 Damage Reversal, with spf 40 has helped my menopausal skin, especially the dark patches. It’s quite heavy though and needs time to absorb before putting make up on. They also do a cream especially for menopausal skin, so I wonder if they do an eye cream too? I can’t help feeling it’s the same as their other creams, but with a menopause mark up ;D
This is interesting. I've also heard that hyalauronic acid works, though it's not supposed to be used near the eyes I did hear a longevity scientist say he did, he was just careful not to get it in the eyes.
Another thing I'm wondering about is oestrogen cream for the face. If there's such a thing. I vaguely remember coming across it on the net some years back when I was worried about this.
Interestingly for the original poster, I stopped noticing it and I think it went away (the baggy eyes thing). If I notice anything like that about my appearance it's always when I'm on the combined (progesterone) patches, not the estradiol, so I'm imagining it's a low oestrogen thing (or a progesterone induced thing).
Hyalauronic acid is supposed to plump up the skin. Honestly I've tried all sorts. I might have looked worse if I'd not used anti aging products but aging does get you in the end. Sun damage, gravity and estrogen dropping off all contribute. The best advice I was given is to always wear a spf 30 at least even on dull days and in winter because our skin gets damage from UVA all year round. I never go out without some on my face. Wish I'd fine that 30 years ago though and stayed out of the sun.
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Jules I agree, hyalauronic acid plumps the skin but this scientist isn't into cosmetics, so I was surprised he was using it. So I looked into it and its actually a longevity compound (though they really need to know how to get us to ingest it to get the benefit, but still he must think there's some effect through a bit of skin absorption maybe).
Yes ageing gets us in the end, the thing that bothered me was a sudden noticing of changes overnight and then an improvement again on hrt. That seems to be something within our control.
Glad you reminded me of sunscreen, I don't really use it because I figured I need the vitamin D from the sun more than I need wrinkle free skin and I don't go out in it enough to get burned. I may rethink that though.
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Jules I agree, hyalauronic acid plumps the skin but this scientist isn't into cosmetics, so I was surprised he was using it. So I looked into it and its actually a longevity compound (though they really need to know how to get us to ingest it to get the benefit, but still he must think there's some effect through a bit of skin absorption maybe).
Yes ageing gets us in the end, the thing that bothered me was a sudden noticing of changes overnight and then an improvement again on hrt. That seems to be something within our control.
Glad you reminded me of sunscreen, I don't really use it because I figured I need the vitamin D from the sun more than I need wrinkle free skin and I don't go out in it enough to get burned. I may rethink that though.
There is the vitamin D thing of course but its still absorbed in part even with sunscreen on. The sun is very damaging to the skin, aging and cancer. My dad had loads removed from his face, ive two friends with it and my sister has her her first one. She was given a 12 months wait for removal, apparently there are so many presenting with skin cancers and not enough skin doctors.
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Interesting, Jules, I didn't know vit d was still absorbed partly even with sunscreen.
Skin cancer is a serious concern I agree :)
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Interesting, Jules, I didn't know vit d was still absorbed partly even with sunscreen.
Skin cancer is a serious concern I agree :)
Take a vitamin D supplement. We all should be as we don't get enough sunlight to provide it naturally.