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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: CLKD on November 24, 2019, 04:52:11 PM
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Several stabbings over the weekend. Machette weilding young people in a cinema complex .........
Then Jews targeted on a train .......... and someone tipping pork onto a kosher pizza 'as a joke' in a Staff canteen >:(. Why can't people accept the differences in our communities :-\ :'( ...... I LOVE learning about cultures, it's cheaper than going on holiday and less stress. Geography, social history, language lesson - all in one.
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We used to live not far from where that happened at the cinema...
Been to that complex many times...🤦♀️
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People are too obsessed with themselves these days. They cannot put themselves into the other person shoes so have no empathy.
It's a selfish society I'm afraid :(
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We care on here though :-\. Is it fear of strangeness, a sense of needing to control :-\
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Spoilt children who grow up with a sense of entitlement.
Have you watched The Yorkshire Farm programme. Now that's how children should be brought up. Happy, healthy and well rounded. Wonderful.
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I love that family from the first baby ......... she said the other night 'well after 4, another several wouldn't make much difference' ;D and they seem self sufficient with lots of positive support.
Do people attack other cultures because they know that they are unlikely to get caught? Even though CCTV is everywhere?
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It's turned into a bloody jungle out there CLKD....
Fear, Poverty, and Bullying.
I think those three words go together pretty well to describe how some parts of the country are today...it's scary...
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Due to split families and parents trying to be 'friends' rather than keeping boundaries?
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Everyone is 100%, all about folk's rights, never about their responsibilities in life!!
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There are big problems in this country with attitudes, and no serious consequences if you do something wrong.
The trouble in Birmingham last night involved 13/14 year olds, I can't imagine what my dad would have said if it was me in the 1970's, he never laid a finger on me but I knew I didn't want to get into trouble.
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A lot has to do with the the care system, which is a total mess.
A quarter of the prison population has spent time in care, and that raises to 50% in the under twenty-fives. Shocking.
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Shadyglade You are so right, The Yorkshire Shepherdess has wonderful children. That is exactly what children should be doing out playing and exploring, ok not everyone has the open space but it's being outside. As children we spent all our free time out playing, so glad we had no social media, computers, tablets etc when growing up.
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We weren't out alone until I was 17/18. Then I had to be back home by a certain time and if I wasn't I would have been grounded. Rules that I accepted. As for going out to cause problems, it wouldn't have crossed my mind, well we lived miles from anywhere anyway.
I think too that kids have far too much money these days!
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The town that I grew up in and felt safe to walk around at night has changed for the worse. The other night my DN went out with his mates to celebrate a birthday. He walked out to go home and they were set upon by thirty 16 year olds with hammers. He was hit on the head and had to be taken to A&E for concussion. Apparently this gang have tormented on regular occasions and nothing is getting done about it. So sad. Nothing like what you read and hear about happened as bad when I was a teen .
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Presumabley QofReds3 the Police are involved? Local Press .......... Victim Support been in contact? Concussion is never 'just' so do make sure that he is aware of potential problems which may not occur for a few weeks.
Often the Police will wait until there is an incident because there isn't enough to stop and search. Of course it is illegal in the UK for more than I think, 5, people to be walking together and there is the Riot Act which can be read.
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Where did you get the '5 people' from CLKD. I know it applies to dogs walked, but people??
That means we have all broken the law at sometime.
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Hi CLKD
The incident has been reported to the police. The group all had hoodies or baklava's on. No police around at the time of attack. The group ran off as my DN mates took care of him. He is 6ft 5, a gentle giant. There are always groups around the town in large numbers so they must all be breaking the law? Where I live now has changed too , been two stabbings in the last month both drug related .
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OK bear with me
The Riot Act 1714 was an act of the Parliament of Great Britain which authorized local authorities to declare any group of 12 or more people to be unlawfully assembled and to disperse or face punitive action. Wikipedia
Repealed by: Criminal Law Act 1967
The last time the Riot Act was officially read in England was in 1919 in Liverpool during the second police strike, but there are suggestions it was read in Airdrie as late as 1971, two years before repeal.[9 Sep 2019]
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OK bear with me
The Riot Act 1714 was an act of the Parliament of Great Britain which authorized local authorities to declare any group of 12 or more people to be unlawfully assembled and to disperse or face punitive action. Wikipedia
Repealed by: Criminal Law Act 1967
The last time the Riot Act was officially read in England was in 1919 in Liverpool during the second police strike, but there are suggestions it was read in Airdrie as late as 1971, two years before repeal.[9 Sep 2019]
Ah, there's the answer Repealed 1967
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Don't interrupt when I'm typing ;D [see Below]
1 Riot.
(1)Where 12 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence for a common purpose and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using unlawful violence for the common purpose is guilty of riot.
(2)It is immaterial whether or not the 12 or more use or threaten unlawful violence simultaneously.
(3)The common purpose may be inferred from conduct.
(4)No person of reasonable firmness need actually be, or be likely to be, present at the scene.
(5)Riot may be committed in private as well as in public places.
(6)A person guilty of riot is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years or a fine or both.
2 Violent disorder.
(1)Where 3 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using or threatening unlawful violence is guilty of violent disorder.
(2)It is immaterial whether or not the 3 or more use or threaten unlawful violence simultaneously.
(3)No person of reasonable firmness need actually be, or be likely to be, present at the scene.
(4)Violent disorder may be committed in private as well as in public places.
(5)A person guilty of violent disorder is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or a fine or both, or on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both.
3 Affray.
(1)A person is guilty of affray if he uses or threatens unlawful violence towards another and his conduct is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety.
(2)Where 2 or more persons use or threaten the unlawful violence, it is the conduct of them taken together that must be considered for the purposes of subsection (1).
(3)For the purposes of this section a threat cannot be made by the use of words alone.
(4)No person of reasonable firmness need actually be, or be likely to be, present at the scene.
(5)Affray may be committed in private as well as in public places.
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(7)A person guilty of affray is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or a fine or both, or on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both.
Public Order Act 1986 is up to date with all changes known to be in force on or before 21 November 2019.
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Next question
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Cheeky 😝.
The point is though that there are hundreds of laws, on the statute book, that are not enacted because they are obsolete and would not make it through a trial. Also, our police force are law enforcers, but they do not necessarily know the law.
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However: talking to my BinL earlier who is an ex-detective - until Laws are repealed which has to be via an Act of Parliament, they remain on the Statue Books so can be used. True though that not all Police are aware of UK Laws ....... like the 1 that is still on the Books that states the public must not park a vehicle on the road side in case the Monarch of the Day requires clear access. Goes back to the days of horse and carriage.
Why has the World become more cruel ........ or is it history repeating itself :'(
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Things have changed massively in this country, there is no respect for others, the saying "treat people how you would like to be treated" is long gone unfortunately.
Whatever the problem it's always someone else's fault :-\
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Exactly my upbringing too. Sadly, I don't think it's that way anymore, everyone's out for themselves, and there's certainly no respect, or much care anymore.
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Hello ladies.
It is stating the obvious I know but the relentless reduction in police numbers over the last nine years hasn't helped law enforcement. Cutting public services has consequences for us all.
Take care ladies.
K.
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Social Media obsession has made young people disconnected , insecure, intolerant and constantly in need of an adrenaline shot.
Video games (Fortnite in my sons case) angry, manic, hyper up, gang/pack mentality.
Young people no longer join clubs/do sport/volunteer in favour of the above - they are servants to the pixels.
If they don't do the above they are ostracised from their friendship group for sure. It is the playground currency.
Parents spend less time interacting with their kids so the media are doing the parenting.
My kids are ' good kids' but are days are a constant battle with the above. Good parents can't win as the ' bad' kids are now the cool kids who are on social media stiring it up or Fortnite 24/7.
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They lack empathy. I am sure that if a group were to put down their gadgets and engage in activities they would feel so much better. People do still join groups, sports etc.. and some parents have found that laying down rules about gadgets i.e. whilst eating or when out as a family, actually works. It's about teaching our young people not to be reliant on what others think. I remember how important it was but I have always been an outsider.
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I truly want to believe there are more good people than bad but sometimes you do wonder.Watching all the police programmes on tv,youngsters have absolutely no respect for police whatsoever,spitting at them,swearing and shouting at them,I was and still am respectful of the police.Not sure how this country will be in 50 years from now,it really is so sad
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12 months from now? After the Election/Brexit issues ..........
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Thing is, How can it all be changed? Whose going to put the ‘respect' back into young people and how they behave? It's such a complex issue. There's too many issues in society nowadays, and one thing alone isn't going to change anyone...it has to be a number of things. Don't think we'll get to see it in our life time!
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How about parents. Stop being 'friends' and put back some discipline into the house hold. Don't compensate by buying X, Y, Z - when I told Mum that "so and so has" she would meet with that mother to find out :o. Also there wasn't the money for X, Y, Z so everything was a treat.
It would take one Mum to stop party bags for example ;D and as for everyone to the party, why not have 2 friends ...... drip feed good choices and stop pleasing everyone? Engage with necessity.
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Children also nowadays are taught no respect,if their flippin mothers would come off their mobiles for 5 minutes and teach em >:(
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Agreed.
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Bus and tram users in a city will be offered "happy to move for you" badges to let disabled people know they can request their seat.
"Please offer me a seat" badges will also be offered to disabled people in Nottingham from 3 December.
The move has been welcomed by disability campaigners who said it would help, but added it was "sad" the initiative was needed.
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Absolutely,I would give up my seat in a second and not need asked or told to do so,sad state of affairs
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This just reminded me of something that happened a few weeks ago, we were on the underground in London when two elderly men got into the carriage, so many people got up and offered them seats it was really heartwarming :)
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The media has a lot to do with this.
They sensationalise everything, so when they reported on knife crime, they beefed it up and more kids got scared and started carrying knives. This led to more stabbings and more terror type reporting, and so it went on.
They target celebrities and teach kids how to do the same on their own social media.
Even positive campaigns like anxiety awareness gets sensationalised, to the point where every kid thinks they're having a breakdown.
People are generally more selfish because they believe that no-one cares anymore and that they must therefore protect themselves, because that's how it's reported in the media. So more people stop caring and become selfish.
Just one huge self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's not just our country, it's the world.
However, if you look around you it's not that bad and people are generally nice. We just all need to stop paying attention to the media so that the prophecy could untangle and everyone could start relaxing again.
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Drop the pebble into the puddle ...... begin at home.
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I despaired watching the so called' leaders' interviews this week with Andrew O'Neill. None of them are anywhere near role models for kids. What a bunch (so far). Evading questions, weasel words, total disdain for public intelligence in not giving a straight answer to a straight question. No warmth or humanity, not even humour, just an 'my way or no way' arrogance and repetition of party line. I can't see the policies for the lack of humanity and respect for the public these people have. :angryfire:
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I don't like any of them ....... don't trust any of them ......... they don't live in the real world :bang: and any suggestions made over the years have been forgotten once in 'power'.
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Whilst out for lunch with my daughter,we watched in dismay as 3 separate couples sat opposite each other all on their mobiles,not a word spoken between them,eh,what's the point?
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Were they sending texts to each other ?
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;D Yeah probably
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Jaypo I see that a lot, it's amazing how many people don't have a conversation while out. I get annoyed at hubby when we go out and he stays silent so I feel I have to talk, end up talking rubbish!!
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We sit in companionable silence and if there's a dog close by, DH hasn't a chance :D
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I'm surprised how they even end up romantically linked!! They're all glued to their phones.
Hahahaha YG,my OH would say I speak rubbish most of the time,so he'd not notice ;D
We like people watching but yep,if there's a dog,I'm gone ;D
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I don't talk if there's a silence between me and my OH, I normally knock his cap off and that gets us laughing, (or me laughing anyway,) and him ranting....🤣😂🤣😂
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Love it ;D ;D
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Ladies - on a similar theme as this subject thread.....it is just me and where I live or do you get this 'cold shoulder' type of person everywhere these days.
There are ladies in my town who I see often - supermarket/doctors/school gate etc but they
never speak, never smile, never show any recognition at all. Even if we have friends or kids at school in common.
It happened today. There is this friend of a friend who I saw twice in town, no one else around, and she just
walk past stony faced.
I know I should maybe just let them get on with it but I find it rude at best and baffling as to why people should be like that.
Have I just got ' imposter syndrome!'
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Whereas locally in our stores or village shops, people are in the main, cheerful and chatty. Sometimes too much :o especially in a queue when I am in a rush to get out B4 anxiety strikes >:( ::). I don't mind so much if it's an elderly person who might not see anyone else ...... but I really don't want to know X, Y, Z about the person/s in front ;D
I begin conversations :-\ .........
As 4 being unkind, yesterday's actions in London spring to mind :'(
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I find here at the lodge,everyone is chatty,at the very least you'll get a wave as they pass in the car and I love that but I know what you mean squeaker,it doesn't cost anything say hello or at least smile
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squeaker99 - have you tried to open conversation?
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I have this kind of ' 3 strikes' rule. I'll say hi or try and catch someones eye three times and then I just don't bother.
It's not like I am desperate to be best friends with these people but I just find them blanking someone they obviously
have seen around for years is weird. My daughter says there is a word now for people who desperately want to be liked
on Facebook etc ' Beg Friends'. The last thing I want to be is a beg friends! I just think it is civil to acknowledge people
you know by sight in a small town.
I do live in the kind of place where there are ' locals' (born and bread here, went to high school here and never left etc) and ' incomers' (moving in for work/jobs and no family in the town). I am the latter. I was born in the midlands and have family in Yorkshire & find it much friendlier there maybe - people always say Hello on walks when they pass each other etc.
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The further North 1 travels the more chatty people are ;-)
I think Supermarkets are training their till staff to engage more but it doesn't always suit me ........
When severely depressed I would walk by people I've known for years without noticing who they were, it was a blur .......... a) I didn't notice b) I didn't want to engage c) I was unable to communicate
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Oh my clkd,the supermarket checkout,I'm always tempted to say something naughty to them
How are you today madam? I'm fine thanks,are you off home now?yes.nothing planned for the rest of your day? Yes,I'm a stripper down the local boozer,might do a pole dance later ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I go to certain checkouts to have a chat, Tesco, Asda, M & S and T K Maxx, they all have regular staff who enjoy a catchup, I know where they go on holiday and they know what I'm up to ;D
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I'll talk to anyone! My OH goes, oh why don't you tell em everything about us ! 🤣😂
Then on a bad day, I don't even give eye contact...which isn't very often anymore tbh..
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Ladies - on a similar theme as this subject thread.....it is just me and where I live or do you get this 'cold shoulder' type of person everywhere these days.
There are ladies in my town who I see often - supermarket/doctors/school gate etc but they
never speak, never smile, never show any recognition at all. Even if we have friends or kids at school in common.
It happened today. There is this friend of a friend who I saw twice in town, no one else around, and she just
walk past stony faced.
I know I should maybe just let them get on with it but I find it rude at best and baffling as to why people should be like that.
Have I just got ' imposter syndrome!'
She may just have a lot on her mind, and therefore didn't notice you. There are times when I'm walking around time and whilst my body may be present, my mind is thinking about something totally different, and I'm fairly sure I probably don't look happy most of that time.
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Oh my god Jillydoll are you sure we're not related?! I'll sometimes talk to the ladies behind the tills and both my hubby & son think I must be mad, but there are days when I just don't want to have any interaction.
In Tesco I always go to the same lady, very time asks how my swim went, she even knew about my incident with the dog through one of my swim friends!
We have been for a meal tonight to celebrate my birthday and there were two other families all the children where on ipads/phones etc no conversation with parents, I find this very sad. Our 18yr old son came with us tonight and he is as good as gold never even looks at his phone - maybe I have done one thing right in bringing him up!
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I said that in a Bank years ago jaypo ;)
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;D ;D ;D Yorkie....do you think sometimes it's YOU that's weird! Because like I said before, mostly I can chat to anyone, but then on my bad days, like when I have anxiety, I can't even give eye contact, and I think people think I'm weird......almost like their thinking, ‘ she's a funny one, sometimes she talks, other times she don't and totally ignores everyone ‘ .
I know I shouldn't second guess what people are thinking, but when I'm like that I can't help it. Then I worry that they think I'm some weird, old, head case....🤷♀️ 😆... But I suppose thats what the anxiety is doing to me..
Thankfully, those days aren't very often anymore...x
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Yes Jay, but that's your true job....you could've come up with a lie just to tell them...🤣😂😂
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Aaahhhh Jill you've told everyone ;D ;D
There was a really grumpy assistant in a shop I went into once so I said to her,oh I love your nails (they were all sparkly) and that was enough,she was chatting away after that,so I guess people do have bad days, I know I do,like you Jill, I just don't make eye contact,so I suppose WE must come across as rude sometimes
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Yep, I think we all judge, and get judged too quickly sometimes.
It's just everyones way..🤷♀️
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Yep very true,we don't know what a person is going through
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I think we need a badge: 'bad day, ignore me' ???
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Yes i'm weird ;D ;D but you are so right. I'm good at judging too quickly, just can't seem to help it.
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We're all weird in our own little ways..that's what makes us, US. I'm the weirdest of em all...
Or should that be the fairest of em all....🤣😂
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No,you were right the first time Jill 😂😆
Haha after saying how friendly everyone is here at the lodge,my OH and I were outside speaking to a lovely old man who stays opposite us,this car came driving along and we all waved,the two occupants just glowered at us,they nearly got another hand gesture
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Haha, lovely people every where Jay....☝🏼 Haha....
They probably thought whose them weirdos waving at us! 🤣😂🤣😂
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Was probably the mankini 😂😆
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Why, was the old man wearing it? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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Jaypo - Please excuse me if this is nosy but what is a' lodge' - is it a Masonic thing? One of my neighbours talks about her husband going down ' the lodge' like it is a secret thing. I didn't know it was somewhere people could live.
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Please don't take offence - but that had me in stitches 😂
Funny handshake then jaypo?
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Yes,I'm a dodgey geezer squeaker 🤣😂😆😂😆 sheila?Get your digits ready and hold out your hand 👋🤚🏻☝🏼🖐🏼🤘🏿🤛🏽😂🤣😆
Sorry squeaker we're taking the mickey😂
We have a “lodge†as in a holiday lodge up in Scotland,no funny handshakes anywhere x
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And I thought you lived with beavers... 😁🦝🐺🦊 (couldn't find a beaver)
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4 Lodge think cabin - wooden, in an area of beauty and solitude. Canadian idea probably. Insulated. Cosy.
I never got the idea of the Masons but apparently it was Guilds started with artisans: goldsmiths, silversmiths, people who made enough money to help those in need. No women allowed initially but then there was something started so that they could get involved, similar to Rotary and - name escapes me >:(
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;D ;D Yep,grab my axe of a morning and go chop some of there them fine trees to build me a fire ;D you've gotta say that in a Canadian accent or it just doesn't work 😂😆🤣
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Hello ladies
Jaypo - but do you wear high heels and have buttered scones for tea? Showing my age with that reference lol.
Clkd - Stonemasons were established as a Guild to promote the interests of the trade but morphed into a secret society and became synonymous with corruption.
Take care ladies.
K.
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Seriously ladies IM NOT IN THE MASONS 😂😆🤣
I surely do Kathleen ⬅️ Canadian accent ;D
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morning....👍🏻👊🏻. 😂
Wasn't the Freemasons involved with the Knights Templar? Now that is showing my age! 🤣😂
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No, The Templar Knights were a christian military religious order. The knights took a form of holy orders and a vow of chastity. You could say the Freemason are/were a sudo religion, but certainly nothing to do with the church.
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I feel another thread ;D
I can also see in my Mind's Eye, Monty Pythons in check shirts ::)
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The Knights Templar protected the Freemasons when travelling didn't they.? ( And others)
Also wasn't the knights Templar involved in moving and hiding the treasure the church had required? Some say even the Ark of The Covenant...?
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So where does Tom Hanks come in all this ;D ;D
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You're confusing two different things. The medieval Knights Templar (think of the crusaders), and a mosonic order formed in the 1700s. The two have no connection.
The story of the Ark of the Covenant and the Templar is a myth. There is no historical evidence.
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I have seen parts of the Holy Grail ;-)
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Am I ? 🤷♀️ ....no wonder I failed at History! 😩
Jay, Tom Hanks is the one with the sword! 😂
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And maths and English and ;D
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Had no idea what I was getting into.
I feel quite giddy with this.... :o
Lodge...chalet....cabin...
But nothing to do with inner wheels or tickley handshakes.
I think we need a Meno woman handshake, or maybe a salute. ;D
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Haha squeaker,you started the ball rolling with that one ;D
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How about ‘ a glare ‘ ......that's more like it....😂🤣
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Sympathy and empathy, are the two key elements to kindness. It is a struggle sometimes, especially if you are a bit of a cynic like me. But, you have to try by putting yourself in others shoes.