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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: honeybun on November 14, 2015, 11:01:40 AM
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What is happening in our world.
Those poor people. :'(
Honeyb
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My heart goes out to them. Ordinary people having a night out. God bless those involved. My dear old nan used to say "it's not our world, it's some of the people on our world that have gone wrong".
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So, so sad. :'(
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It's absolutely appalling.
Those poor people.
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It is so sad.
You ask what's happening in our world HB. I think it's the same thing that's been happening for a long time but usually in other places so we hear the numbers killed and injured in a news report, fleetingly feel a sadness for them, and then get on with our lives because it is not close to home. I'm not sure why we react so differently to something just across the Channel as the loss of life and the grief is the same wherever it happens - just further away from us.
My son's girlfriend lives just outside of Paris - she is safe which is great for our family but so many others haven't been so lucky. A very sad day.
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It just seems to have become so much worse over the last decade or so.
ISIS seems to be the big problem but what's to be done about that :-\
Honeyb
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I agree. It's so difficult when the usual thing that stops people harming others in this way - fear of death themselves - doesn't work because the act of dying while fighting for their cause gives them martyr status and a guarantee of reaching Nirvana.
It's all really unsettling.
Taz x
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I'm not sure why we react so differently to something just across the Channel as the loss of life and the grief is the same wherever it happens - just further away from us.
My son's girlfriend lives just outside of Paris - she is safe which is great for our family but so many others haven't been so lucky. A very sad day.
So glad your son's girlfriend is safe. I heard this morning that my friend who lives in Paris is safe, and all her family. Such a relief, but very conscious of all those others who won't be getting the same news from their loved ones.
You are so right that the loss and grief are the same wherever it happens. I was really upset during the Tunisian killings because I read a news report that said something like 'tragic news - majority killed were British'. The tragedy is that PEOPLE were killed, not that BRITISH people were killed - it wouldn't be less tragic if they had been Tunisian. If you know any of the victims personally, it is more tragic for you as an individual, but people are of equal worth regardless of their country of origin.
I am so sad for Paris but also for those all over the world who are mourning or recovering from terrorist attacks.
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How many are getting in as migrants....more than a few I think. That makes my blood run cold. The first plane full arrive in Scotland this week. Who are we inviting in to our country.
It's very difficult to see who is genuine and who is not but I hope they will be watched very carefully as who knows.
The Koran states death to infidels ......kind of worrying don't you think.
How do you know who is ok and who is not....really no way of knowing.
France has said it's an act of war....so do we go to war......or not.
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How many are getting in as migrants....more than a few I think.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995541/Paris-terror-attacks-isil-suspects-arrests-victims-live.html
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Anyone waiting for the British Muslim leaders to say something.
The silence is deafening and that in itself is so worrying.
We need to do something....what though
Honeybun
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http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Paris-Attacks-Islamic-evil-did-British-Muslim/story-28174510-detail/story.html
Taz x
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Well done him.
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Not before time.
Now how do we deal with it is the question. It's horrific and I hope it doesn't come to our shores although I fear it's already here. :-\
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Our local Muslim Commnitey - Leicster - spoke out by mid-yesterday afternoon. The Iman was in tears.
We had the Irish problems for years - I don't remember the rest of the World mourning.
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The IRA were so small compared to this CLKD.
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eeemmm ……… atrocities though. The same kind of clearing up to be done. Bereaved families. Sponsored by :-X
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CLKD the current death toll from the Paris massacre is 129.
What the IRA did was awful but it wasn't at that scale.
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And it's affecting the whole of Europe.
Not that I am defending the IRA, but they did give warnings and were quite clear who they were after (generally)
ISIS are coming after everyone that's not a Muslim.
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Honeybun, IS have murdered Muslims too. Many Muslims are horrified by what they are doing, and extremists will murder anyone who stands in their way, regardless of religion. As someone said yesterday, "Terrorism has no religion".
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They had no way of knowing which nationality or religion they were targeting on Friday night. Indiscriminate killing. I still can't quite get over the feelings of sadness.
Taz x
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Sorry yes they have killed other Muslims too but I still think that it's the non Muslims that are the true targets.
The Muslims that would be at a concert would not be true Muslims in their eyes perhaps.
Very sad situation.
I wonder how many have come in with the refugees....it makes my blood run cold to think this will probably happen again.
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Hubby was saying one was a refugee. Scary thought, considering how many are crossing borders & being given emergency refugee accommodation. Using hotels to put them up.
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Some Passports found on the bombers may have been stolen. Also the French Police 'knew' of a couple, one was 'on bail' after being questioned regarding terrorism links. This is the 3rd time that bombers have been 'known' so why not have a large ship in the Ocean, carry any suspects by helicopter, hover above and land them on board :-\. So that they are kept together …… same for the migrants, requisition cruise ships and keep them in a safe place - there will be food, water, electricity, entertainment; time to process people who really are in trouble and the opportunity to ship out those who aren't!
We were travelling at 10.55 and there was a piece of music (out of Africa I think :-\) then 1 mins. silence. I wish we had guidance on what to do when travelling i.e. putting hazard lights on as it wasn't possible to pull over.
An atrocity is that, how ever many people involved.
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In the middle of all this horror, something rather lovely cheered me up this afternoon: I was driving along the seafront, going to my afternoon's teaching. It had been raining and although it had stopped for a bit, there were still heavy clouds around. Then the sun came out and a rainbow began to be visible, over the water. It got steadily brighter until it almost looked like a painting. Both ends could be seen and they were reflecting brightly and beautifully on to the water. Well, honestly, this really lifted my despondency and despair for a while and made me think, Hope. Sounds silly, I know, but it made me look beyond last Friday's atrocities for the rest of the journey.
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That sounds lovely Dulciana.
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Hopefully this evening's Match will go without incident ………..
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I also hope the match tonight goes ahead safely. Armed police and SAS will be there so there's no more anybody can do.
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Safest place on Earth 2-night then ;)
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Have switched on the footie ;) some are suggesting the Match should have been cancelled, others it should go ahead :-\
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We go ahead.....otherwise they win.
Not a great idea.
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We won :D ………… 2-0
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Life has to go on, otherwise they've won. However, I can understand peoples worries. My hubby had to fly to London day after 9/11. I wasn't happy, but he said safest time to go.
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ISIS are coming after everyone that's not a Muslim.
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We can't become an "us and them" state. This is one our (Aussie) television presenters Waleed Aly (who himself is a Muslim, a political lecturer and a lawyer) giving his editorial about ISIL. It made me cry when I watched it. It's now gone viral around the world. People need to see this. We can't be suckered into turning on Muslims or seeing them as "different" or not part of "us". That's exactly what ISIL wants us to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXUZjyZVj6s
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I have never considered it being a them and us situation when it came to ordinary normal Muslim people. But it is a them and us situation with ISIS. These are not normal people, they want to take Muslims back to old testament times and will carry on targeting the west until they are stopped or contained in some way.
There is s huge difference between a Muslim and a radicalized Muslim.
Honeyb
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I have never considered it being a them and us situation when it came to ordinary normal Muslim people. But it is a them and us situation with ISIS. These are not normal people, they want to take Muslims back to old testament times and will carry on targeting the west until they are stopped or contained in some way.
There is s huge difference between a Muslim and a radicalized Muslim.
Honeyb
You're right. ISIS warned us that they would infiltrate our country and wouldn't stop until they took control. We can't say we weren't warned.
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The first refugees arrived in Scotland yesterday.
I know someone who has them in the flat below hers.
Unfortunately it has caused a lot of ill feeling as the flat was being converted for a disabled person then the disabled person was told they could no longer have it.
6 adults and two children are now in a two bed flat :o. It's a very deprived area with high unemployment so not much chance of work unfortunately.
I also am very surprised that they are being settled on the Island of Bute. There is absolutely no work there at all.
Surely the point is to integrate the refugees into local society, but by housing them in deprived areas with high unemployment helps no one at all.
It would seem that the Scottish government haven't thought this one through.
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The first refugees arrived in Scotland yesterday.
I know someone who has them in the flat below hers.
Unfortunately it has caused a lot of ill feeling as the flat was being converted for a disabled person then the disabled person was told they could no longer have it.
6 adults and two children are now in a two bed flat :o. It's a very deprived area with high unemployment so not much chance of work unfortunately.
I also am very surprised that they are being settled on the Island of Bute. There is absolutely no work there at all.
Surely the point is to integrate the refugees into local society, but by housing them in deprived areas with high unemployment helps no one at all.
It would seem that the Scottish government haven't thought this one through.
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It's most odd. You couldn't get anywhere more isolated really. We stayed in a very tiny village in a remote part of Scotland once and we got stared at every time we ventured out. It was like a scene from Deliverance! ;D
They're expecting them to integrate but with whom? there's hardly anybody there and very few jobs. These families are large with 6 or 7 people so realistically only one parent can even look for work.
I wonder whether there's some ulterior motive for putting them on Bute but I can't work out what that is ..... Yet.
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No mention of employment from what I can see but it does seem that these people will receive a warm welcome from a lot of residents. I can't imagine what it must be like to arrive somewhere with nothing having left behind good jobs, houses, schools, family and to have lived in fear for a lot of years. There is no easy solution to all of this but I hope that they settle and finally feel safe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34855250
Taz x
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We have a migrant thread :-\
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Yes - but this was to do with the ongoing comments on here, I think, about how the refugees may have been infiltrated by ISIS. Will post my post on the migrant thread too!
Taz x
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I don't read much not even in the mainstream news. It is what it is :-\
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A week on, I've been doing a lot of reading around the alternative media sites on the web and watching various You Tube vids. There's a lot of very thought provoking (to say the least!) stuff out there.
Does anyone else like reading outside the mainstream? What do you make of what you've discovered?
I tend to rely on reports from people I know - I'm very sceptical of reporting from any media source as everyone has a particular viewpoint to promote. I have friends in several troubled spots around the world and I am always interested by the difference between their accounts and the ones I hear from the media.
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It makes me cross that now the Governments across Europe are taking these issues seriously. After 9/11 security should have been uppermost …….. we shouldn't be told that extra security is in place, it should have been there :bang: :bang: :bang:
At a time when the UK Government are amalgamating Police Forces/Fire Service and Ambulance Crews across the country means we have less people keeping us safe, higher response times etc.. :-\ It's OK for the Government, they are kept safe where ever …….
We should never have built the Chunnel, I said at the time that we are an Island for a reason and that all those who lost their Lives in the two World Wars were wasted but did anyone listen :-X :'( My Grandad would turn in his Grave.
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I try and read beyond the mainstream and try and be ruled by my head rather than my heart.
... Then today I've found out my partner will be working in Europe this week and suddenly I've become totally irrational. They've been told they're not allowed to leave their hotel in Brussels unless travelling in the transport that will be provided :-\