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Menopause Discussion => Personal Experiences => Topic started by: karenja on December 03, 2014, 06:43:10 AM
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Well couple of days no hrt insomnia back anxiety in the night, waking v hot though sweat not running off me throughout the night like it was and not day flushes yet / haven't taken ad'd or Valium wanted to see how I cope and yesterday in work felt ok - but yesterday evening could feel the tight chest anxiety starting and sleep is a big problem
Again / got unopened starflower oil even that can have side effects, got my rescue remedy which I'm using, got my ad and Valium and barely used estradot and Utrogestan and really don't know where to go from here lack of sleep is awful as so many of you understand / feel shattered x
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Hi Karenja
Have you managed any exercise yet?....I was in the same boat as you with exercise...had a panic attack after doing an exercise dvd and I have been scared of doing it again in case I had another (ended up in a&e lol).......maybe start with yoga or something gentle? will help burn off adrenaline......I know how awful it can be.....away to start a yoga class this morning so hope it helps...My chest also gets tight but find lol that its trapped wind and rubbing the area helps...I have also been given omeprazole from gp which helps...Hope you have a better day and hugs to you XXX
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MayB you are not giving your body a chance to equalise? Trying too many things without giving any a chance to 'work'.
What did you take and eat yesterday? At least you know that the HRT helps with the sweats! What will you do about the Valium? Your GP can only support you if you take his advice!
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Hi Karenja.......you say you are scared of side effects of drugs, we all are no one takes them for the fun of it, but stress left untreated or uncontrolled can have equally a bad effect on the body of not worse, add lack of sleep into the mix and your body is under immense stress.
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Hi Karenja
Sorry you are feeling so anxious.
Please may I ask, why didn't you give the HRT patches a bit longer to work.
I get horrible anxiety and depression too, and I have had my new dose patch on just 10 days.
I dunnno if my flushes are subididng, or, it's just that the weather has got a bit colder.
10 days is too sooon to tell.
For many women, HRT can feel funny until it kicks in.
The risks are tiny, Dr Annie Evans put the risks into perspective in one of her videos but sadly I dont have a link to it, you can go on youtube though.
The valium is like an emergency drug, not good long term. It has a really long half life also which means you can't take it too often, as the last dose is still in the system.
My mum used starflower oil when she wanted to come off hrt after 5 years on it and she said it worked.
Magnesium is a great muscle relaxer and can help with sleep.
If you get magnesium, go careful as it is a laxative, but magnesium glycinate or magnesium maleate are not so laxative and more bio-available, meaning less of it is excreted out of the body.
I hope this post helps.
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Hi Karenja
Sorry you are feeling so anxious.
Please may I ask, why didn't you give the HRT patches a bit longer to work.
I get horrible anxiety and depression too, and I have had my new dose patch on just 10 days.
I dunnno if my flushes are subididng, or, it's just that the weather has got a bit colder.
10 days is too sooon to tell.
For many women, HRT can feel funny until it kicks in.
The risks are tiny, Dr Annie Evans put the risks into perspective in one of her videos but sadly I dont have a link to it, you can go on youtube though.
The valium is like an emergency drug, not good long term. It has a really long half life also which means you can't take it too often, as the last dose is still in the system.
My mum used starflower oil when she wanted to come off hrt after 5 years on it and she said it worked.
Magnesium is a great muscle relaxer and can help with sleep.
If you get magnesium, go careful as it is a laxative, but magnesium glycinate or magnesium maleate are not so laxative and more bio-available, meaning less of it is excreted out of the body.
I hope this post helps.
Annie Evans link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NhlcuUUOLo
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thank you for your replies ladies, right now Im sat here with such tightness in my chest my thoughts are to put the estradot patch back on but I need to take the utrogeston as well and that's what seem to have the side effect, but Im not sure I can do without hrt right now x
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Oh karenja
I feel for you I really do but wouldn't it be better just to try your AD it will take a few weeks but in the long run it might be beneficial. As CLKD said your GP can only help and support you if you try these things. I know a lot of people are afraid to, me being one , but it's worth a shot you can't live everyday like this.
:bighug: x
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thanks for the hug Millykin, I don't know what to do, Ive got the hrt, got the ad and got the starflower oil and whatever I take as you say isn't going to help me straight away, I know Im not helping myself I just get very anxious about everything as you know xx
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I was the same. So I made a chart with all the medication I was given.
For example for several years I was on ADs morning, lunch-time and evening; plus BBs at night; plus Colpermin and another medication to aid digestion. Putting down how I felt each evening [my best time of day] and ticking off each medication dosage gave me a record of how I felt. [1-5]. Any really bad side-effects were put onto the chart in a big X ::) as well as plus signs when I felt better.
What do you intend to try first?
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Hi CLKD, well I assume I cant mix the starflower and ad's or valium but can mix the starflower and hrt? so Im edging towards the second option or just the starflower? x
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Unfortunately star flower will do nothing for your anxiety.
If you decide against both HRT and also AD's why don't you try St John Wort.
At least then you would be taking something to help your anxiety.
Honeyb
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I was in same place as you this time last year, didn't want anymore HRT, didn't want AD, stuck in a rut wanted a quick fix ASAP (like a lot of women on here) tried menopace for few months, beta blockers (they did the job) but came off when I took new HRT and that kicked in after few months, know you can't have them, have you thought about St johns wort as HB said? It is herbal. If I lived near you I would be riund like a shot give you support but unfortunately I'm not so all I can do is read your posts and give encouragment, we are all here
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I would be round like a shot too, big hugs
I know exercise is not an option at the moment so the next best thing hunny is to get your breathing under control and more regulated as I suspect the anxiety is making you breath fast and erratic and that adds to the chest pains/tightness.
I hope you have a better day tomorrow and please remember this will pass xxx
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Thank you for your kindness / do u think I'm ok taking a Valium if I took a herbal stress tablet this morning? Xx
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Your GP has given you a drug which is known to work ::) …….. if you mix you will NOT know which does/not work. Herbals sometimes work for a short while and there's nothing wrong with the placebo effect. I was SO worried about taking stuff but it was that or not survive :-\
If you have had over 8 hours between medication/herbals you should be OK with Valium - 2mg is not a big dose and you should find it relaxes you.
If you are unhappy with what your GP has suggested, go to a pharmacist 2-morrow for a chat as to what will work the quickest? and he/she will tell you what you can take, with what and when ……
Only you can decide what exactly you want to take. None of us can stop the side-effects that might happen ………. which is why keeping a chart can be useful. Valium can be quick acting so having a warm bath, a cuppa and into bed before taking the 1st dose may enable you to sleep. You may wake in the night to see if you've been asleep ::) …….. that happens to me!
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I'm sorry I don't seem
To be taking any notice of advice I've just got myself in such a state worrying over everything - ive just taken a herbal anxiety pill again for now ok it may not be as good as Valium but I had to do something feel so anxious seriously considering going back on hrt tomorrow I need to make a decision and stick too it annoyed at myself x
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Fear is a great leveller. Sitting by me this week, not being able to eat but knowing my body is hungry hasn't been easy either. You are not alone.
If you find that the herbal helps, stick with it for a few days. Do have a chat with a Pharmasist too and check what can be taken with which medication. Reassurance from someone who is working with medication daily can be really helpful! :hug: My worry is that if I eat I'll feel worse :-\ : if I take that medication I'll feel worse ……… sometimes I did but kept trying and trying - that was in the 1990s and now I'm usually on an even keel.
R you having a bath to relax?
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Hi CKLD
Yes I had a bath in Lavender bubble bath find it relaxing then early night with hot milk, think the herbal tablet did calm me and would have slept all night if my cat hadn't kept coming in for cuddles, hope today will be better, thanks and hugs to youxx
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Glad you had a better night, hope it continues through the day
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Don't worry about not taking advice, just keep posting as it will help you whatever you decide. Most of us have been exactly where you are now and we can all feel your agony. CLKD has given you some good advice regarding writing things down so that you can refer back to it and get yourself back in control. I know I keep saying this but please remember this will pass xxx
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Hi feeling awful think I'm going to have to go back on the patches today and the Utrogestan I'm tired anxious and don't think I can last the day in work :( x
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Hi feeling awful think I'm going to have to go back on the patches today and the Utrogestan I'm tired anxious and don't think I can last the day in work :( x
Aww sorry to hear that Karenja
How far into your cycle are you?
Just asking cos it's best not to miss too many days of your cycle without patches, but one of other more experienced girls will tell you if it's ok.
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Hi Dandelion
I haven't had a natural bleed for a year now, only a bleed brought on when I came off the first lot of hrt I tried months ago as I came off early, Ive decided to go back on Estradot and will take Utrogestan later and give it a proper try and try not to worry about side effects xx
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In the mean time, try the Valium to aid sleep? :-\
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Hi CLKD
Will do but the last time I took the Utrogestan (only 2 waking up was the huge problem) here's hoping, I have to give it a try, got headache now mixture of non sleeping winding myself up I think xx
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Did you speak with a Pharmacist about the mixing of the different ideas you have? Maybe go to Lloyds 2-morrow!
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:bighug:
Millykin x
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Hi Millykin
I may ask my nephews fiancé to ask her boss she works as a dispensing assistant in boots, which could be handy x
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Hey
You should ask, my sister is a dispenser @ a llyods pharmacy very handy lol. She doesn't think twice about shovelling meds down her throat! Within reason I might add, just that she knows the leaflets have to list everything to cover manufacturers.
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Nope Karenja. This is something you need to do yourself, 2nd-hand news ain't the way to go - for 1, confidentiality? do you really want everyone and his dog to know ……… :-\ a dispensing assistant is not qualified !
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No CLKD she is a qualified pharmacist has been for many years, I just put dispenser assistant cause that's what she does all day. Sorry for the confusion. I wouldn't intentionally tell someone to take the word of an assistant.
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Just to add I wasn't going to ask her on anyone's behalf just stating I talk to her.
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That's OK for you. But it is better than we go directly so that we can talk in private.
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I think I picked that up wrong CLKD but I see you amended your post, I thought at first you were saying to me but understand now. Apologies x
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total confusion :) xx
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Hormones ;D
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don't you just love them :) x
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Nope ;D - Karenja: let us know how you are in the morning <wave>
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Ok is that your cat in the pic? X
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nope
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Ok I know I am the worlds biggest worrier but does anybody who has asthma like me take Utrogestan as I've read they don't mix I usually have to point out my asthma to thèm they don't seem to know and I've seen so many different ones think I will just have the estradot patch on tonight I think but I know I have to have progersterone x