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[LadyCC]

Hi all

My journey through this thing called menopause has been rough but fast forward a few years and I am using Utrogestan as whenever I add oestrogen based products in to the mix my body doesnt tolerate it at all and I have horrible PMS symptoms.  I also however have bone density lower than should be for a woman my age and I know that oestrogen helps to maintain bones.  So I want to try something otc.
Can anyone recommend anything?  Something gentle but effective?

[CLKD]

Exercise.  Weight bearing: 10 mins brisk walking 3 times a week is the least that we should be doing.  This strengthens the long bones and helps overall with heart and lung health.

Swimming - I HATE public changing rooms but for those who will tolerate that aspect, 20 mins a week of non weight bearing will help muscles maintain strength.

Cycling - if the roads aren't too busy and the pot holes have been repaired, this too can be good overall exercise.  As can horse riding.

We need to look after our teeth - jaw bone as with the long bones, require constant action to maintain health.  So chewing well, eating a range of foods where there mouth has to work will help.  I opted for implants as I didn't fancy a) looking gummy, b) tolerating falsies and c) will never be old enough to have a glass by the bed, grinning at me ;-)


As for supplements: is there an 'oestrogen only' that doesn't have 'extras' added?  it really does depend on what is in each product and how they manufacture has been regulated.  How long have U used Utrogestan and which symptom did U want to ease?  An over all good diet goes a long way to maintaining health ...........

[bombsh3ll]

Tibolone.

[CLKD]

 

[LadyCC]

Tibolone.

Thanks for the suggestion but based on the research I am not sure it would be right for me as one of the side effects is acne and I struggled with hormonal acne at various points in my life

[LadyCC]

Exercise.  Weight bearing: 10 mins brisk walking 3 times a week is the least that we should be doing.  This strengthens the long bones and helps overall with heart and lung health.

Swimming - I HATE public changing rooms but for those who will tolerate that aspect, 20 mins a week of non weight bearing will help muscles maintain strength.

Cycling - if the roads aren't too busy and the pot holes have been repaired, this too can be good overall exercise.  As can horse riding.

We need to look after our teeth - jaw bone as with the long bones, require constant action to maintain health.  So chewing well, eating a range of foods where there mouth has to work will help.  I opted for implants as I didn't fancy a) looking gummy, b) tolerating falsies and c) will never be old enough to have a glass by the bed, grinning at me ;-)


As for supplements: is there an 'oestrogen only' that doesn't have 'extras' added?  it really does depend on what is in each product and how they manufacture has been regulated.  How long have U used Utrogestan and which symptom did U want to ease?  An over all good diet goes a long way to maintaining health ...........

Its reassuring to know that I am doing the right thing in terms of introducing the kind of exercises that you outline, thanks CLKD.  And agree with what you say about teeth and jaw health too.

Ive used Utrogestan only for around 3 years but prior to that tried various brands and doseages of oestrogen/progesterone combinations.   Having recently had a DEXA can it is bone health I am looking to address.  I am lactose intolerant so struggle to eat sufficient dairy to contribute to calcium consumption so figured in addition to exercise I should probably supplement more. TIA

[CLKD]

Goat products ?  although I hate the smell of cheese etc  I find it too strong.  Though these are posted from the UK World wide for people with allergies etc..

I don't drink milk other than in shakes but I do eat chocolate - do U have to avoid the latter?

[Aprilflower]

Exercise.  Weight bearing: 10 mins brisk walking 3 times a week is the least that we should be doing.  This strengthens the long bones and helps overall with heart and lung health.

Swimming - I HATE public changing rooms but for those who will tolerate that aspect, 20 mins a week of non weight bearing will help muscles maintain strength.

Cycling - if the roads aren't too busy and the pot holes have been repaired, this too can be good overall exercise.  As can horse riding.

We need to look after our teeth - jaw bone as with the long bones, require constant action to maintain health.  So chewing well, eating a range of foods where there mouth has to work will help.  I opted for implants as I didn't fancy a) looking gummy, b) tolerating falsies and c) will never be old enough to have a glass by the bed, grinning at me ;-)


As for supplements: is there an 'oestrogen only' that doesn't have 'extras' added?  it really does depend on what is in each product and how they manufacture has been regulated.  How long have U used Utrogestan and which symptom did U want to ease?  An over all good diet goes a long way to maintaining health ...........

Its reassuring to know that I am doing the right thing in terms of introducing the kind of exercises that you outline, thanks CLKD.  And agree with what you say about teeth and jaw health too.

Ive used Utrogestan only for around 3 years but prior to that tried various brands and doseages of oestrogen/progesterone combinations.   Having recently had a DEXA can it is bone health I am looking to address.  I am lactose intolerant so struggle to eat sufficient dairy to contribute to calcium consumption so figured in addition to exercise I should probably supplement more. TIA

Be careful with the supplements.

I was recently diagnosed with osteopenia, following a DEXA scan.  My surgery made a appointment to see their Clinical Pharmacist regarding Vitamin D and calcium supplements.  To cut a long story short, the supplement dose I was recommended turned out to be too high.  It was a toxic level and I ended up with too much calcium in my blood.  God, did I feel ill.

If you are going down that route ask for a blood test first (I wasn't offered one).  That way you will know your present levels and dose accordingly.

[LadyCC]

Goat products ?  although I hate the smell of cheese etc  I find it too strong.  Though these are posted from the UK World wide for people with allergies etc..

I don't drink milk other than in shakes but I do eat chocolate - do U have to avoid the latter?

Actually goat products is a good shout - I have always preferred the yoghurt but not reasearched anything else in the range.  I will check it out.  Thank you

[CLKD]

Did a quick search: wildcroftdairy - goat products

LOCATION

Clear Barn, The Heath,
Puttenham, Guildford GU3 1AL.

CONTACT US
Tel: 07967 249981

E-mail: [email protected]

[dangermouse]

Exercise.  Weight bearing: 10 mins brisk walking 3 times a week is the least that we should be doing.  This strengthens the long bones and helps overall with heart and lung health.

Swimming - I HATE public changing rooms but for those who will tolerate that aspect, 20 mins a week of non weight bearing will help muscles maintain strength.

Cycling - if the roads aren't too busy and the pot holes have been repaired, this too can be good overall exercise.  As can horse riding.

We need to look after our teeth - jaw bone as with the long bones, require constant action to maintain health.  So chewing well, eating a range of foods where there mouth has to work will help.  I opted for implants as I didn't fancy a) looking gummy, b) tolerating falsies and c) will never be old enough to have a glass by the bed, grinning at me ;-)


As for supplements: is there an 'oestrogen only' that doesn't have 'extras' added?  it really does depend on what is in each product and how they manufacture has been regulated.  How long have U used Utrogestan and which symptom did U want to ease?  An over all good diet goes a long way to maintaining health ...........

Its reassuring to know that I am doing the right thing in terms of introducing the kind of exercises that you outline, thanks CLKD.  And agree with what you say about teeth and jaw health too.

Ive used Utrogestan only for around 3 years but prior to that tried various brands and doseages of oestrogen/progesterone combinations.   Having recently had a DEXA can it is bone health I am looking to address.  I am lactose intolerant so struggle to eat sufficient dairy to contribute to calcium consumption so figured in addition to exercise I should probably supplement more. TIA

Be careful with the supplements.

I was recently diagnosed with osteopenia, following a DEXA scan.  My surgery made a appointment to see their Clinical Pharmacist regarding Vitamin D and calcium supplements.  To cut a long story short, the supplement dose I was recommended turned out to be too high.  It was a toxic level and I ended up with too much calcium in my blood.  God, did I feel ill.

If you are going down that route ask for a blood test first (I wasn't offered one).  That way you will know your present levels and dose accordingly.

If you don’t mind me asking, what were your high calcium symptoms? My mum was put on Adcal (for urinary retention which made her feel better) but the GP is refusing to do a follow up blood test so I need to monitor via symptoms.

Many thanks.

[Aprilflower]

Okay.

Started off with stomach pains and diarrhea, which I mistook for IBS.

Then gradually increasing loss of appetite, nausea and most scary continuous light headedness.  Got to the point I had bearly eaten for two weeks.

The only thing I could think that I'd been doing differently, for the past month, was take the supplements.  I messaged the surgery and the Clinical Pharmacist called back and said stop.  She also advised on lower dose, when I better but the whole experience has but me off completely.

Oh I forgot.  Massive increase in urination..  I think my kidneys were trying to flush the excess.

Hope that helps.

[dangermouse]

Thanks so much. That’s really helpful and she isn’t showing any of those symptoms for now.

I guess you could have a blood test to see if your levels are low (hers were at beginning) and a half dose may then be ok but only if you need it.

Interestingly, she had an increase of urination for a few years before the Adcal,  which then stopped that. We assumed it was the body’s way of achieving balance by stoping the water diluting her dwindling supply. I suppose the same could happen for low magnesium which is the opposing mineral, so may have caused your symptoms.

All very interesting!