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juju

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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2007, 07:55:39 AM »

Hi Sue and glad you had a good time in Amsterdam and some sleep even if it wasnt the "real" kind. I know they like you to take the hrt for 3 months before they can say whether its working ok for you.When you were on it before was it the same one?You said you slept then and sorry if I have read what it was and forgotten :-\!If it isne the asme one maybe they can put you back on the other one.I have been on three kinds but because i was having bleeds and this one seems ok,but as i said my sleeping isnt perfect,but liveable with for me and a lot better than it was.My OH always says I seem to be asleep except when I do have a v bad night....not so often now.One of my friends reminded me I've never been a brilliant sleeper,she was but suffers now as well!Hope you can get some relief/sleep soon!Julie xx
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suzieQ

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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2007, 12:52:23 PM »

HI julie - thank you so much for the reply. In answer to your Q - yes I am on the same one only a stronger dose now for the last 3-4 weeks as my GP thought a higher dose might work for the sleep. Its Evorel Conti patches - now on 100 - was on 50 which is the lowest you can get in that one. I was absolutely fine on that for 4 years - not a hint of sleep problems - this has all been provoked by coming off HRT. I must admit today I feel dreadful - My OH may have thought I was sleeping  whenever he checked and Iwas sort of lightly dozing but it was dreamy poor sleep! At least I don't have the sweats and flushes any more - and I can keep calm at night and not panic - but if thi sdoesn't resolve itself I can't imagine how I'll cope and live a normal life. I just feel so desperate and there seems no answer to it - just keep on suffering I suppose and try to get by the best you can. Its not living life as it should be though is it?  Thank you so much for caring and helping - I find it very moving that all these women you have never even met can be so supportive. I don't know what else to try - I feel so helpless. Love to you Sue xx
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juju

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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2007, 08:43:41 PM »

Hi sue and sorry you are struggling.What about phoning and talking to your GP?Mine is quite happy to do that and I dont feel I'm wasting her time quite as much as making an appointment!There maybe something else you can take or do and at least it keeps them in the picture.Hoping you get a better night soon!Julie xx
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suzieQ

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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2007, 07:41:10 AM »

Thanks Julie - you are very kind and I really appreciate it - I was thinking I would phone the doc or a specialist menopause nurse I have found who is very helpful. I wa swondering if my estrogen dose is too high a sI know that can sometimes cause a "feedback" problem. The sleep was dreadful again last night and I feel generally not as good as i did - v. sore breasts, very down, a bit shaky etc but that could be the lack of sleep....only 4 hours last night with 2 wake ups and a very early wake for me - unable to drop off again.
Thank you for your good wishes - hope you are Ok and doing well.
Love Sue x
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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2007, 10:02:07 AM »

Morning All!
Here we go..I can now join the club re poor sleepers! I'm 48, have been peri-menopausal for about four years.  Periods have been occasionally late one month by a week, and then fine for a while, then a week early, but nothing too drastic.  Occasionally heavy but mostly manageable (One awful incident, when I flooded on my best friends new carpet!) (Ohh the shame! :-[) Fairly regular night sweats, but I have managed to sleep through them, just waking enough to realise how hot/wet I am, throw the covers off and go back to sleep. (I must cover myself up again whilst still asleep!)  No hot flushes during the day, but I do perspire heavily from the arm pit area, although my body can feel quite cold at the time, weird!!  I have the usual foggy head, dizziness etc Oh and lots of joint and muscle pain / weakness, but I have had the hormone test at the docs and I am confirmed peri men, so I'm not worrying about the symptoms, just going with them! Well I was.....I've been awaiting my last period for 3 weeks now, and as my hubby has been attended to, I am assuming I'm not preggie...(Keep rubbing my tummy lovingly, just in case!) (Hope I'm not though as my other two are 22 and 19 and I'm more than happy with my brood) (Hubby keeps looking at the milkman too!) Anyway, back to the sleeping thing.  I now find that I wake up about four in the morning, and I can't get back to sleep again.  I'm not sweating, just wide awake! This must be tied in with the absent period/hormone thing?  I have a hot bath before I go to bed, I'm nice and relaxed, but still wake up very early.  Oh and I'm really stiff when I get up too and It's much more noticeable than it used to be :crutch: (Slight exaggeration there, but sometimes it feels like that!) I'm still fairly cheerful about it all,but I've got a headache today, due to lack of sleep, and I think if it goes on for much longer, it will definately wear me down. I really don't want to go on to HRT, so we will see how it goes.... So good to hear everyone elses experiences though, it really does help to know that you are not alone!  :)
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Tricia

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« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2007, 12:25:19 PM »

Hi D.I.C.H.O. :),

Hope you don't mind me abbreviating your name  ;) ah! yes the joys of sleep or lack of as the case may be  :-\ , I think you are doing the right thing in just going with the flow as far as the symptoms are concerned or you end up getting yourself into a right state about this and that, but that is the great thing about this forum you know there are loads of other lovely menochicks on here who know exactly what you are talking about and just talking about it makes so much difference, nice to see you back again :peace:

Love,

Tricia :gym:
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suzieQ

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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2007, 02:41:09 PM »

Hi Julie - just to update you - I did talk to the GP and she has suggested I cut the estrogen extra patch in half so I am now on Evorel conti 75 mg instead of 100. She thinks the symptoms sound like too much estrogen  and we need to get the balance right. She also still thinks its early days for the sleep to be improved by the hRT so she looking for a sleep specialist to refer me to in the hopes that will help in the mean time as I am so low with the sleep deprivation. I am also thinking of seeing a counsellor which my friend who is a GP has contact with as I feel very anxious about the sleep and that doesnt help it at all! My GP is lovely and tries very hard to help in any way she can - she gave me good advice today about the sleeping pills also. love Sue x
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juju

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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2007, 07:43:19 PM »

Hi Sue and I'm really hoping that you get a result with the lower dose.I was on a higher dose of estrogen for a while and they had to change it as I was having bleeds.I mentioned to the doctor that i had worse sweats while I was on it and she couldnt understand why but I had googled it and there is a school of thought that too much estrogen can cause flushes and sweats and probably insomnia!It sounds hopeful anyway and I'm sure the counselling will be helpful.I used to counsel for rape crisis and we (the workers) had to have quite a lot of counselling,it was lovely to be able to talk about me to some one who was really interested!Ah many moons ago....before the dreaded meno!Julie xxx
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suzieQ

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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2007, 02:26:22 PM »

Hi Julie - Guess what - I already feel better ! I think its probably that I feel more in control again, and that I think the sleep specialist may help - I also trained as a counsellor years ago and i do think it is a wonderful therapy. I read on your reply to the lady with the fainting problem that you are a geordie - so am I! Well technically a northumbrian, but I lived  in Whitley Bay and Newcastle for years. Thought I could sense an empathy there!
Today I bought a personal CD player - going to try some relaxation Cds and also something called binaural beats - a CD with music and some extra beats which apparently(!) set up some waves which help your brain to re-tune to sleep. I'll try anything - but it will be interesting - sounds like a fan whirring away! My Mum used to swear by 2 co-codamol and hot milk when she could/ny sleep so I might try that too.
Hope you are Ok and sleeping a bit Love Sue
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juju

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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2007, 03:58:55 PM »

Hi Sue and really glad to hear you're feeling better already!A sleep specialist eh?Interesting.They must be few and far between.You will have to let us know how that goes.And a Northumbrian to boot!I am a townie.Well in reality I was born in a little northumbrian place called annitsford.But we moved to Jesmond when I was 3 as me mam had aspirations!I have been away from the north for about 33 years...moved as far south as was possible without falling off the bottom!I have had a couple of not bad nights.Watched tv til v late and then awake once and up about 6.30.So feeling well!Julie x
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juju

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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2007, 04:09:50 PM »

Oops forgot Sue...my mam also swears by co codamol to sleep.She s always trying to get me to take them.I havent cos I cant see that they will make any difference!
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Tricia

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« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2007, 04:25:03 PM »

Hi Sue :)

Glad to hear you are feeling better and I would be very interested in hearing about your sleep therapist it sounds interesting :peace:

Love,

Tricia :sunny:
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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2007, 06:23:05 PM »

Juju, it's funny that you should say that about your mum taking co-codamol, my mum swears by it or paracetamol too!

I think the codeine is a morphine derivative, so maybe that makes you more relaxed ???

I might try a couple of paracetamol, it can only help when my legs are aching I suppose, I think I'm adapting to lack of sleep now!  ::) :-\ ;D

Here's hoping everyone has a good night tonight!  8)
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cathannabel

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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #58 on: March 31, 2007, 02:23:28 PM »

Sleep probs are always a vicious circle - everything else is harder to cope with when you haven't slept well in ages and then you get stressed and wake up in the night worrying about it all...  I've had sleep probs for ages - plus idiopathic hypersomnia (in other words, I fall asleep during the day and they haven't the foggiest why - I've been checked out for narcolepsy and still no idea). I was doing better, using sleep mask and ear plugs to shut out all light and muffle sound (eg husband snoring), but now....  I go off ok but wake usually around 3, and then find it so hard to get back to sleep again.  Doc has prescribed amitryptyline (think thats what it is) in v. low doses but havent started it yet, am a bit unsure whether I want to try it...  Anyone else had this? 
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suzieQ

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Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
« Reply #59 on: March 31, 2007, 03:20:37 PM »

Hello Lovely ladies - Julie, Cath, Tricia et al .... firstly so glad to hear Julie had better night - so did I but it was mostly courtesy of half a Stillnoct, but I still slept better on that than i have done on that or even bigger dose recently. I got woken up by my mobile ringing at 3 but still got back to sleep and had a good 8 hours last night. That wa sll because we were out late in London  ... have to have several nights without now ... going to try teh co-codamol tonight. The CD player didn't work - it was faulty - so am going to try that too ( got a nother one) my friend who doesn't sleep says a fan going works for her. Oh isn't all this fun! not!! I/m reading a good book called How to say goodnight to insomnia in 6 weeks! I'll let you know on that one!I'm sure now cutting down the estrogen was a good idea - who knows it may even help the sleep now! JuJu - was your sleep even worse before you went on HRT - is it greatly improved now - or just a bit? I'm beginning to think I just have to accept this for the moment and get on with it as my Mam used to say! Love to you all - I'm sending you some imaginary daffodils to cheer you up cos I don't have pretty pictures like Tricia to decorate my posts. Sue
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