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Jeepers

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Re: Back in the dark place
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2019, 08:04:49 AM »

Hi racjen

I'm so glad you are feeling better, maybe there is hope for all of us??  Swim in the river?  Wow, that's amazing.  I walked by a river yesterday, but I wasn't particularly tempted to get in!

I am interested in what you say about high Estrogen levels.  I started HRT last June, on two pumps, and felt so much better.  In October, I had my levels measured and advised to go to three pumps and add testosterone.  Since then I seem to have declined and my anxiety is sky high.  I have also had a post menopausal bleed (under investigation).  The other thing I have started dong is really rubbing the gel in until its gone, so wonder if that could also mean my levels are higher too.

Jeepers xx

I just don't know.
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Perinowpost

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Re: Back in the dark place
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2019, 10:59:07 AM »

Glad you're feeling a bit better Racjen. Just wanted to say I found (peri) meno hard enough to go through, so can only imagine how awful a chemotherapy induced meno must be. My sister in law went through the same thing (breast cancer), and even now won't go out of the house on an evening as she just doesn't have the energy. I think my point is it all takes longer to get over and that cannot be under estimated. In the meantime small steps, good nutrition and being kind to yourself are important in building yourself back up. 

I've got to say it annoys me that mental health services are too ready to just label people and medicate them.  Depression is a fact of life and is a response to adversity/circumstances and can be got over given time/the right support.

Tc Re gel versus patches I've always found the patches more consistent in their delivery, although I acknowledge we're all different.

Anyway wishing you all well and wishing you a better day x
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Jeepers

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Re: Back in the dark place
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2019, 06:36:12 AM »

Hi Birdy

I read your reply about  minutes after applying T, I went straight to the bathroom and scrubbed my thigh!  That's the first time I've taken it in a few days too , as I was so, so anxious I didn't.  I did wonder about the testosterone, but there is a lot less info out there on it.

Did you just stop dead?  Any rebound from it?


Thank you so much  :foryou:

Jeepers x
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Jeepers

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Re: Back in the dark place
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2019, 09:56:56 AM »

Hi Birdy

Sorry to hear you have been having a rotten  time too... We should all meet up and eat cake! I was a mess at the doctor's too.


That would make sense I suppose. I started the testosterone in November, and it supposedly takes a while to build up in your system .  I am going to stop and see how that goes ( I'm just at the end of a tube, so just won't start the new one, which cost me £120!, Doh!).

I've reduced my oestrogel back to two pumps for now. I ft good last year on two pumps, it was only because my Dr said my level was still low, and she wanted me to increase.

I've had a PMB, gallbladder pain and super high anxiety, which could (I'm guessing of course), all point to my estrogen level being too high.  Could just be wishful thinking on my part, but better than some of the alternatives my head takes me to!


Thanks
Jeepers x
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Perinowpost

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Re: Back in the dark place
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2019, 10:52:38 AM »

Birdy & Jeepers re testosterone I find that if I use too much testosterone I get negative side effects - anxiety/low mood.  However, there is a sweet spot, i use it 3 times a week (Mon/We'd/Fri), just a petit poi's size blob and I'm fine + get the full benefits.

I think like much of hrt it's a finding the correct balance for you x
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Tc

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Re: Back in the dark place
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2019, 05:56:44 PM »

Perin. I'm just about to start it.  I know where my sweet spot is  but I do t  think I should put the T  there Haha.
I've been given it because of depression but I also suffer with a anxiety so think I might have the same balancing act as Racjen. Depression or anxiety.  Hobson's choice.
Crying at the gp 's I can so relate. I sat down and sobbed. Big snotty shuddering sobs and she said "I can see your a bit emotional!!"  I think it makes them uncomfortable.
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racjen

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Re: Back in the dark place
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2019, 07:34:19 PM »

That's interesting - I'm sure I need some T (apart from anything else I know my level is non-existent) but so far attempts have just resulted in increased depression. How the f**k do we get this balance right? My gp is being incredibly supportive and doing loads of research, but it's still all a shot in the dark isn't it?
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Jeepers

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Re: Back in the dark place
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2019, 05:04:32 PM »

Hi racjen

How are things going?

Jeepers x
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racjen

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Re: Back in the dark place
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2019, 07:05:55 PM »

2nd day on mirtazapine - had been trying to avoid ADs because I don't react well, but things have got to the point where I have to do something else to give me some hope. Feeling very dopey and zombie-like but I know that's an early side-effect; strange that it does that during the day but doesn't have a hugely beneficial effect on my sleep. Anxiety is a lot less - fingers crossed that I don't get the horribly depressed reaction I've had from ADs in the past.
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racjen

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Re: Back in the dark place
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2019, 07:06:42 PM »

Thanks for asking Jeepers xxx
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Sickntired

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Re: Back in the dark place
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2019, 07:19:41 AM »

Racjen
How many times have you changed HRT? Or how long have you been on it ? I've been told it takes months to calm down (unfortunately ) not meaning to sound patronising in this as you may already know this.   Thanks to this column I found out too much progesterone at the switch point in the pills cycle was the reason for my complete torso rash . I found this out by process of elimination  via comments on here . I put this to GP and she said could be , with an air of I've not heard of this before .  I was correct.  They may be experienced fully educated doctors but it's just that General !   A hug to you.
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racjen

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Re: Back in the dark place
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2019, 02:04:49 PM »

Hi SicknTired, thinking about your question I was a bit shocked to realise that I've been on HRT since June 2017, and apart from a brief try with Elleste Sequi, simply because my GP didn't have a clue and made a random guess, I've been on Evorel patches and Utrogestan consistently for 18 months (on the adviceof a private specialist). So plenty of time for my system to have got used to it. I really think I need to try something different cos this really aint working - if anything I'm worse now than I was to start with (I had a sudden menopause due to chemotherapy in Aug 2016 by the way).
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