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[Daisydot]

Ok ladies I've been experimenting recently and I thought I was suffering my breast pain because of the hrt and even my meno specialist was a bit baffled as he said it does happen but it's rare it's usually the opposite, that oestrogen will help alleviate breast pain.
Anyway I've laid off the underarm roll on deodorants after having stopped the spray on type as I thought this may help and I've definately not got the same sharp pains I was getting in the left breast since stopping both these things.
I will keep monitoring for the next week or two but in the meantime have any of you ladies tried the natural crystal type underarm deodorants and if so are they good?

[dahliagirl]

I never use it but I still get breast pain.

It is usually around the second half of the cycle - during the progestogen phase (sequi hrt), but I have had it earlier.  I seem to have had less of it in recent months.

[Daisydot]

Hi Dahliagirl sorri should have said I'm oestrogen only that's why I question it as it's not consistent and started agaves after I started the gel.

[CLKD]

I have had a stinging sensation with some roll-on types.  Under the arms which spread a bit.  So I stopped using those.

[ElkWarning]

deodorant or anti perspirant?

both cause issues with drainage of toxins, but anti perspirants are worse.  perhaps a build up causes problems?  there's well documented evidence that blocking the body's natural systems to deal with excretion isn't great, so shaving, applying chemicals, etc.  it's why we have one of the highest rates of breast cancer.

[jillydoll]

Try bionsen daisydot,
It's got no alliminum in it, could be that,
OH, can only use that one, makes his underarms hurt and lumpy, if he
uses anything else.

Jd x

[CLKD]

Elk - that theory has been over-ridden.  It was thought in the 1960s/70s that using talc etc. under the arms caused cancer. It doesn't.  The body sweats elsewhere: palms of the hands, face, back of the neck, soles of the feet ......... we use under-arm stuff to stop us getting smelly 

Men sweat, ladies perspire? 

[dahliagirl]

I don't use anything with antiperspirant in it as the stuff they put in it to stop you perspiring leaves a film over your skin and that makes my armpits itchy.  Then I look as if I am doing the Funky Gibbon 

I just wash, then use a body spray, which seems to work fine, and my friend tells me it has enough alcohol in it to kill anything off    (However I did have some eczema on my arm that took a long time to go, which I think was prolonged by spraying this stuff too carelessly  )

I think the breast tenderness is just the ups and downs of our own hormone cycles (or random lack thereof) which abound through perimenopause and continue off and on after the last period.  Menopause does not seem to be a tidy 'off' switch for most women.  I know I have said it is mostly at the end of my cycle on sequi hrt, but it can happen at other times and has done in the past, but it does seem to be happening less frequently and mostly at the end of a 'cycle' as time goes on.

[Smitten]

 It's not crystal but I like the dr organics deodorant it's a roll on, the lavender one is my fave!

[ElkWarning]

Hi CLKD, no it hasn't - I work in a research setting in a medical school.  The state of play is currently that more evidence is needed.  A recent paper (published by scientists, in the scientific press) stated: 'Many component cosmetic chemicals with oestrogenic properties have been measured as present in human breast tissue or human milk, and direct confirmation of the ability of these chemicals (parabens, phthalates, sunscreens) to be absorbed from topical application in cosmetic cream into the human body has also been published … long-term topical exposure of hands to embalming creams can result in endocrine disruption to the whole human body, and in particular can affect breast tissue … More recent studies report endocrine disruption in women at both young and old age following inappropriate exposure to oestrogenic chemicals in personal care products … Increasing numbers of the component chemicals in cosmetics are now known to possess oestrogenic activity … '  You get the picture.  Source - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2797685/.  The author of this paper is Professor Dabre, School of Biological Sciences, University of Reading.

[dangermouse]

I stopped using antiperspirants and toothpaste with fluoride a few years ago when I used to get an adrenaline surge directly after using. I'd go red in the face, have high heart rate and feel wiped out for an hour.

I found the crystal deodorants even worse as it was the aluminium (natural alum) causing my reaction.

I now use fluoride free toothpaste (and dentist said no holes in teeth) and I import natural deodorants from Australia as they have better quality ones that keep me dry.

I suspect if my liver wasn't overloaded with oestrogen then my reaction would have been less but it goes to show how much we absorb and the burden it adds to our livers, whether it affects breasts or not.

[CLKD]

Elk:  Who is funding the research, I haven't the energy to read the Link right now but tnx for the update - do you type your own reports etc. these days, I did 7 BSc./MSc/Doctorats on an up-right type-writer in the 1970s  .  In the days when Tip-ex - remember that - was necessary and the paper had to be lined up very carefully as well as enough spaces for chemical signs to be put in with a special pen 

What was the question 

[Daisydot]

Well I laid off the underarm stuff and it didn't make as much difference as I expected but yesterday I used my first blob of testosterone gel and my breast pain has almost gone.i could feel the difference as the day went on and I've not woken up with it this morning and breasts are not rock solid,can one blob really have done this.x

[Dorothy]

I used to use Bionsen as it was the only deodorant that didn't cause me irritation - the downside was that it didn't really work once I'd started going through peri as I'd be stinking within an hour of washing and applying it!  I use a deodorant stone now and it's brilliant.  Most days I can go all day and still smell clean.

[marge]

Anyone tried Soft & Gentle's 0% Aluminium anti-perspirant?  I use it on days when I'm at home or not out much, but if I'm out for a whole day, I don't trust it to last.