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Menopause Discussion => Other Health Discussion => Topic started by: Taz2 on December 20, 2010, 12:47:14 PM
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Hi Ladies - I managed to get an emergency appointment today with my lovely dentist thinking that I just needed a small filling, maybe, to stop the toothache I have had for a few days. It turns out it is an abscess in my gum which needs prompt treatment. She has done the cleaning up and I am still, thankfully, numb but I have to take Flagyl. The dentist was very straight and honest telling me to go and get anything done that I need to do before I start them as there is only a very slim chance that I wont end up either feeling really sick or being sick or with a nasty case of "the runs" as she put it.
Still, I suppose that's better than raging toothache. Can't drink alcohol either. I still have lots to do and to top it all OH has been sent to Teesside till late Christmas Eve so as well as sorting my house out I am also sorting his out and feeding his cats, birds, keeping an eye on the pond etc etc. ::)
Still onwards and upwards... and it's snowing hard... oh well what doesn't get done doesn't get done!
Taz x :)
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Oh poor you. I know what it's like though, i still have pain in my gum, g.p ain't interested and dentist couldn't see anything, i wonder though if i go back to either if maybe this antibiotic would clear it up, it's like really sensitive teeth in the cold.
Taz you are only one person, one amazing person i might add, but still only one pair of hands. Don't run yourself ragged, Christmas is only one day after all. Eddie. x
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Thanks Eddie. It's just the presents I still want to get are for the people who might help out! I think I have had Flagyl before - made me feel not well but wasn't too bad. I am just having a moan. OH is on msn and asking me about the weather and he says "you sound in a bad mood" :beat: :beat: :beat:
Taz x
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Taz poor you and take the Flag dont wait get them in to your system
Its only Monday you maybe fine by Thursday night and you can stop them for Xmas eve and Day (if you drink that is)
I got an abss on Xmas eve 1974 on my front tooth by Xmas morning at 4.30 Geoffrey had gone to my MUM and DADS
They came up to the house saw Farther Christmas with David called a GP out
I remember nearly having my hair burnt by the heat of the gas fire trying to get the pain away I was given a pen injection
He came back 6 hrs later and gave me another one and again at 6pm I had 3 pen needles between 5am and 6pm and guess what
the buggar burst that very night all I remember about Xmas day 1974 was there was a DR at Sea film on at night
thats when I started to come too so take the pills and dont ruin Xmas for you or OH OK XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX just for you
Cant you ring the GP up and ask for a script of Stemital in case they do make you feel sick IM sure they dont contra xxxxxxx
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Oh poor you. I know what it's like though, i still have pain in my gum, g.p ain't interested and dentist couldn't see anything, i wonder though if i go back to either if maybe this antibiotic would clear it up, it's like really sensitive teeth in the cold.
Taz you are only one person, one amazing person i might add, but still only one pair of hands. Don't run yourself ragged, Christmas is only one day after all. Eddie. x
Has the gp got Xray eyes?
If the ab is right under the tooth inside the core of it how can he or anyone beside a dentist and Xray see it
Ring ask say you need it LIE say the dentist said you have one I would broad spec like Keflax are slower to work but
They wont spoil anything for yu or make you sick though they may give you Thrush xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Suzi, I know what you mean about G.P. i couldn't get dentist so the g.p. gave me antibiotics, they didn't do anything but give me thrush, i thought they may refer me to dental dept? or dental hospital, dentist did xrays and nothing, but it's bloomin' sore when the cold air or anything warm touches it? That's months that it's been going on for, i just don't know what else to do.
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Nasty! I hate getting stuff like that from the dentist. ALways makes me really ill. Is it just a one dose thing or over a few days? If it's one dose, you'll feel ok for Christmas day hopefully. My dentist usually gives the one dose stuff. Pretty lethal I can tell you.
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Suzi, I know what you mean about G.P. i couldn't get dentist so the g.p. gave me antibiotics, they didn't do anything but give me thrush, i thought they may refer me to dental dept? or dental hospital, dentist did xrays and nothing, but it's bloomin' sore when the cold air or anything warm touches it? That's months that it's been going on for, i just don't know what else to do.
OH maybe you have developed sensative teeth if its hot or cold that makes it hurt
I have that had it for years I use Sesodyne its not cheap and theres a new onw out called Sensodyne Rapid it works asap
I thought it was a load of crap but it does work I get a tingky OOUCH every now and then but by and large its fine go buy some
Give it a go and use it 3 times a day every day soft toothbrush ONLY and warm rinse and dont scrub OH and the most important thing FLOSS every day in fact if you can every time you eat that may all thats wrong xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A dentist can often tell if there is an abscess by the way the patient needs scraping off the ceiling once the gum is prodded :o! As for gifts, don't worry. New Year will be fine ;). Make sure that you are where you need to be in order to care for the cats, pond etc., it's a full time job here and we live at home!
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It says that 200mg is normal for dental infections but she has prescribed 400mg three times a day for three days. I think she wanted me to get it out of the way before Christmas so I could have a glass of wine or two. She did say that if they made me feel really horrible then to take it for two days if possible.
Taz x
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:tulips2: :bighug: Let's hope it works quickly :pills: and you don't feel too :sick02:
Bixby x
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That's a high doseage for a reason ;) .. to get the drug into your system to fight the infection as quickly as possible. Don't even consider drinking alcohol for at least 3 days after you stop taking it! although soaking the affected gum could be seen as medicinal purposes of course :P
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My dentist is very clued up in homeopathic remedies. When I have had an abscess she has told me to try Hepar Sulph. It really helps. I am not suggesting that you dont take the anti biotics but this stuff really helps.
Viv
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Viv. I forgot about that, i will try it out, Suzi, it's like sensitive teeth when there is a change in temp, but other than that it's uncomfortable to touch the tooth with even my tongue, i can't bite even toast, and if my bottom tooth hits it, it's agony. I think it's prob a low grade infection that will hopefully eventually pass. However going skiing after xmas is going to be testing. :'(
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It's ok I know about the alcohol thing. No alcohol for at least 48 hours after you finish the course if you want to avoid falling over and throwing up after one GLASS instead of one BOTTLE!
Have taken the first one anyway - so only eight more to go!
By the way one interesting thing emerged from my visit today. She mentioned that the abscess was caused because my gums are shrinking. She couldn't understand it as six months ago my gums were really healthy. I mentioned that I had stopped HRT a couple of months ago and she said "Well, that's your answer then". I feel about 90 now!
Taz x
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That is interesting, Taz. I've suffered from sensitive teeth for years but noticed my gums were shrinking and the sensitivity was getting worse a few years ago. The last year, the shrinkage seems to have stopped. Think I started peri 3 or 4 years sgo, started HRT last year. Coincidences?!
Bixby x
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My dentist was quite adamant that this was the reason my gums had deteriorated over the past few months. I have found this - although it is from 199 - which mentions oral health towards the end of the article http://cdnedge.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/431842.stm
Taz x
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Although this thread is about dental health, the article linked to above is out of date (1999) with its heart disease info.
From a more recent article (2007): U-turn on the risks of HRT as experts say it CAN cut heart disease
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-447476/U-turn-risks-HRT-experts-say-CAN-cut-heart-disease.html
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Thanks Emma ;D
Taz
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You're brave - I wouldn't touch Flagyl due to the side-effects.
Could you ask for a cephalosporin such as cephalexin instead? It may give you a mild dose of the runs and make you feel sleepy but is very unlikely to make you sick.
I hope it clears up quickly....
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Thanks Karen - I can take Cephalexin with no problems at all - in fact I was on a low dose for a year due to recurrent cystitis before I discovered I had vaginal atrophy.
The dentist said that I couldn't have that one as I needed one with an anaerobic component - something to do with starving the infection of oxygen - I didn't listen properly.
So far I haven't had any side effects, touch wood, apart from a slightly dizzy feeling, headache and, this afternoon, the feeling of beginning cystitis which I believe is a side effect in some people. I can cope with these as it doesn't stop me doing stuff :). I am hoping that side effects would be worse at the beginning and then get better and that, maybe, I will be ok.
Taz x
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:foryou: hope you continue to recover !
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Thanks CLKD - the toothache's still there but hopefully that will disappear once the drugs get properly into the system.
Taz x
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Oh Well :-\ ...... I saw my lovely dentist today who told me that there is low-grade infection around the last back tooth upper right so long story short; need extraction followed by 1 or 2 implants ....... because of my 'young' age it is better to implant rather than leave 4 gaps along there. So tooth needs extracting so that it doesn't blow up with pain and then ........ he is VERY good. He did psychology as well as dentistry, is good at explaining issues and told me that I have had longer with this cracked filling than he thought was possible.
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Implants? Wow. You may have to have a bone density test first though - my mate couldn't have hers done as she did not have enough jaw bone to anchor into. Another friend had them though - cost a fortune mind but it did look good... eventually. Lots of work - not sure I would have had the patience for it and I couldn't have afforded it anyway. Let us know how it goes. Why do you have to have an extraction just because of an infection?
Taz x
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The tooth is old ;D and has had much work done over the years. So there's more filling than tooth. So it will take a LOT of drilling and even then, may not be saveable. So out with the old ......... and I don't fancy a 'plate' :sick02: ...... my bone density is good I think despite my age, Bless Him, he didn't know how to be diplomatic about telling me that 'at my age' :-X
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Is it costly?
Taz x
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Yep. I was offered extraction at nearly £50.00 which is essential, sooner rather than later. A plastic plate is in the £100+, a metal plate around £600, implants are probably more comfortable adn begin at £2,000+ each. However, they will last 15 years or so. They take about 12-18 months for the top ones to be implanted and the crown fitted. Oh errrrr .......... 'at my age ' and as I have fillings on the other side of the mouth, if I began eating purely on that side I would need work doing sooner rather than later so it sort of evens out.
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I just could not afford that. If its not in my "smile line" then sod it. If I cant chew it i will suck it :o :o
Viv
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I couldn't afford it either and not sure i would be able to go through with it anyway http://www.bupa.co.uk/individuals/health-information/directory/d/dental-implants#textBlock196896 You are a braver woman than me CLKD!!
Taz x
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Me neither Taz, i did consider it last year, but it was lots of money and lots of work too, and after my anxiety prob last visit for a filling! No way.
CLKD, Is this work at the back of your mouth or the front?
Eddie. x
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I had another friend who had it done but it didn't take so she had to have a bone graft from her hip into her mouth in order to proceed. She is pleased with the result but it took a couple of years to get it right.
Taz x
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Thanks for that Taz, anyway swaying is definitely finished with now. I couldn't get through to my dentist today, need an appt about this crown?
Eddie. x
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I've had to stop the Flagyl as I started the all over rash and itching and headache yesterday. Was ok, apart from splitting skin on hands and feet and oral thrush, last time but this time it's got me! Anyway, dentist has put out a prescription for Pencillin V which I have to go and pick up tomorrow (will be late for work again!) and hopefully that might sort it before my appointment on Friday.
Hope you get through to your dentist tomorrow.
Taz x
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It just seems to be dragging on, i spoke with my doctor today, she wasn't prepared to give another anti-b, but dentist has x-rayed and examined it? But this is been since mid october? Nearly 3 months now. Bet they charge too.
Eddie. x
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Top Right - the final tooth along that side before the Wisdom sockets. So there will be a gap of at least 4 teeth which is why I've booked for the extraction [18th] - then proceed hopefully without involving my pelvis! I was watching a programme last night ........ , nothing :-\ ??? [where did that come from] I meant 'another' thread me thinks ;-)
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??? Eddie. x
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And I forgot to open the Thread ::)
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Big morning at the dentist tomorrow :o
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Good luck CLKD - I think you are very brave. I must admit that I have always used the "can't afford it" excuse but I wonder whether, even if I could, I would go ahead with it. Trouble is with me - I have no patience!
Taz x
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Tooth extraction tomorrow so long as these sniffles don't turn into a cold. Then big discussion with Dentist [nearly said Vet but that's another story ::) ] and Hubby says to go for it. If the first implant takes I will have the 2nd ..... maybe, perhaps, maybe not :-X - Hubby is having the day off to take me and bring me home to administer to my every need :-*
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How very brave. Go that girl. xxxx Eddie. x
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Implants honestly aren't too bad at all, CLKD. I had one last October. Had abscess, followed by extraction, followed by infection, long story. But the implant bit was the easiest of all of it! Except for the cost :o
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That's encouraging news Crescent - perhaps I would be brave enough after all if I win the lottery (which I always forget to buy a ticket for) ;D
Taz x
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Taz. Are you registered with an NHS dentist? Eddie. x
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Yes - I have held on to my NHS dentist.
Taz x
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When i looked into the cost here it was capped at £398. I think it was lower in England, have you checked? Eddie. x
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It is all to do with whether it is cosmetic or necessary I think and my dentist was a bit wary about implants due to my being over 55 - loss of bone etc. The ones I would like implanted were removed some time ago and the jaw bone has shrunk a lot so the implant might not take. I must admit I haven't followed it up too closely. My dentist is a mixture of private and NHS. I will have a proper look into it. This is an interesting read http://www.dentalhealth.org.uk/faqs/leafletdetail.php?LeafletID=20 Sets it all out.
Taz x
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Good luck for tomorrow CKLD
Hope it goes well and is pain free, will be thinking of you
Libby
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Ahh, It was actually a bridge i was looking into, the dentist had to ask for permission from the health board, to say it was not cosmetic, he reckoned they would pass it, six teeth all in from eye to eye. Eddie. x
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Thanks everyone, I will try to remember your 'good wishes' when I'm in That Chair ::) .... he quoted £2,000-ish each but as I am young it will give me a better chance of keeping those teeth on the other side of the mouth ... it's that or the lot out ....... :-X
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My implant cost £2,600, I'm hoping never to need another!
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Sorry meant to say, good luck, CLKD
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Thanks! Was it a painful process? I was told to eat lunch >:( by even now I can't face anything, have had a good breakfast, now off for a cuppa ! I expect they will advise me when I can have the implant procedure which is likely to be in 2-4 weeks' time.
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All is explained here CLKD http://www.bupa.co.uk/individuals/health-information/directory/d/dental-implants#textBlock196896 you will be numbed right up so shouldn't feel anything until the jabs wear off. Have you had the bone assessment yet to make sure you have got enough in the jaw? I am sure you will be fine. Well done for having it done.
Taz x
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No wouldn't say it was painful, probably rather uncomfortable would be fairer. Had to have xrays to assess the bone density first. Mine was ok which was a surprise because I'm 64 and was expecting it might not be. And also due to circumstances and fear I had put the implant off for quite a while after the extraction and know the bone shrinks away from the extraction site.
I actually had two dentists as my regular one doesn't do implants. So had the implant done and screwed in etc, then a few weeks later when that had settled went to my regular dentist for the crown that fits over the top of the implant.
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taz wrote: Yes - I have held on to my NHS dentist. - both hands ? ;)
WOW what a morning! thought the extraction would be a 10 min job, 50 mins after the injection went in the 2 dentists were still pulling and prodding :o - the tooth was well set into the bone - apparently - and the root is still in-situ. If it is painful by Friday then it will be a Hospital job to remove the remainder of the root! 2 lots of anti-biotics, spitting blood - still but no pain only soreness where they leaned tools on my lip and cheek! W atch this SpAcE ::)
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Oh poor you, you are so brave, my fear is something like that happening, i wouldn't go back to finish the treatment. Well done CLKD, you need to rest now and have a easy few days to recover.
My husband collapsed after dentist work a few years back, it was the scariest night ever, he just collapsed at the bottom of the stairs in front of me and the girls, when he came round the house was full of paramedics, who whipped him into hospital only to chuck him out at 4am. Eddie. x
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I told the 1st dentist at one point that I was fed up now and could he find something else to do ::) ...... I can feel the injection sites now and the jaw is aching where it was opened and shut >:( ..... and that's only the tooth taken out!
On 2 sorts of anti-biotic, took the 1st one after our tea, the other has to be taken an hour before food >:( well I don't eat between now and breakfast time ::)
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How much Nurofen can I take tonight?
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Pretty sure it's two every four hours with Nurofen, CLKD. I can't take ibuprofen due to stomach problems and for anybody think it's best if you take them with food.
Sorry you had such a rotten time with the extraction. I did as well which is what took me a while to pluck up courage to do the implant for a few months. I got a 'dry socket' infection and had abs and they can also pack the extraction site with some stuff which eases it a lot.
But honestly, the implant is way easier than the extraction! Hope you manage to sleep ok, your jaw is probably bruised.
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Did they tell you to rinse tomorrow with warm water and salt? My dentist insists that you should do this three times a day for a couple of days. You are one very brave lady.
:medal:
Viv
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Hope you feel better soon CLKD. XX
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Got through the night! Thanks! I have to rinse with warm salty water today and have taken the 1st of 2 sets of anti-bioitics, one tablet yesterday and the other at 7.30 a.m.. I can have breakfast at 8.30 ! not that I know what to eat, probably muesli very very carefully ::)
No swelling in the face surprisingly! Off to rest ;)
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Glad that you had a not too bad night CLKD. The last tooth I had extracted had wound its roots all around each other and it took over an hour to cut through the gum (eventually after much tugging) and get it out. I had a wonderful black eye and bruised and swollen face the next day - scared all the children at school! I looked like something from Halloween :bat:
Taz x
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CLKD i hate dentists you are so brave...for you.. :tulips:
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Ouch, Taz i could quite easily cancel my appt for Friday if you keep frightening me! lol
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Whoops - sorry Eddie. I am still suffering myself - abscess calmed down but where the gum has shrunk away from the tooth it is so tender - old age gum shrinkage. I have had a filler put on it but it is still aching and I have a feeling the abscess is on its way back. I am still taking pencillin V but it is not very effective - plus I find it impossible to take it four times a day on an empty stomach or at least an hour before food. When in school I have to eat at set times so that makes it tricky.
Hope you get on ok on Friday.
Taz x
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I think i'll have to change it anyway, only made it today, but i was shocked, the receptionist said 1st of march? for my own dentist, but an associate had an appt for Friday, so i jumped at it, but forgot the plumber is coming on Friday to fit new kitchen radiator. I was trying to juggle it, when hubby came home and said his exhaust just fell off his car, so now i need to walk too, don't think so, maybe this associate isn't very busy on Monday. Fingers crossed.
Eddie. x
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What is it with anti-biotics! I went to my GP Surgery and spoke with our Pharmacist yesterday, complete with list of when to take the blasted medicines ....... she told me not to be too rigid, that Erythymycin needs an empty stomach to help absorbtion but hey, once I've had breakfast -that's a laugh ::) - and my morning cuppa etc. the stomach isn't empty before the next dose is due ....... and the other AB needs LOTS of water as it's a dry tablet the size of a 50p [well nearly] piece and needs to be taken with food : + Nurofen as often as necessary, +anti-depressant and betablocka at night ........... = neartburn >:( >:( As for 4 in a day, well 2 and perhaps 3 I might manage !
I missed a couple of AB doses yesterday as I slept most of it away. I ached all over from where the dentist had been pulling and I had been tensed: my legs, my chest, my ribs ........ the needle points are sorethis morning so I can't open my mouth to put a spoon in so my lovely warmed through tinned rice is now .......... cold :( ......
I can't speak properly yet without dribbling :-X
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Oh, it doesn't seem worth it? But i'm sure it be, just try and take the AB's, and the nurofen and the rest.
Eddie. x
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I'll definitely go for the 'rest' ;) ........ once I've collected the dog, shut up the chickens, rang the dentist for the next part of the plan .... feet up, cuppa in hand, doze ...........
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Hi CLKD, What is an AB? I sure hope you are feeling better. What a drag as they say here. Don't forget lots of yogurt to prevent yeast. Sorry, that (mentioning yeast) was kind of a downer and I think it was mentioned before anyway. Be well!
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Hi Trey- "AB" is short for antibiotic
Taz x
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, thanks, Taz Have you seen any posts from Heather of late? Hate to leave her without our cyber support, but maybe I've just missed seeing any.
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Trey i posted a link on your other thread. Eddie. x
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Thanks, Eddie
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One of the ABs is awful, sticks as it goes 'down' so needs LOTS of water - has to be taken after food so need to remember to leave 'room' and not eat as much ::) - time for another Nurofen.
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I've stopped the ABs for 24 hours. Can't go to the toilet properly so feel nauseaous [sp] and if I can control the pain with Nuforen that will have to do for a while. At least the emery board feeling has gone ::)
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Are you rinsing with warm salt water, but not forcibly. That will surely help healing and help keep things clean, but I'm sure you know that. So sorry about the drug side effects. I hope you do not have a dry socket. Has the clot been checked. I had two dry sockets with my large six year molars and I truly would rather have had a baby. I hope you start feeling better very very soon. I'm just up and may have missed some posts.
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I stopped due to heart burn and emery board feelings inside. I didn't need to take Nurofen until mid-day. The pain has now gone. My stomach is still growly though >:( and I have only just dared put my tongue into the socket which is sore. Better than 7 days' ago though !
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Great that the pain is gone. I had the worst earache as my main symptom. What a relief! Hope you get all the way better soon.
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I didn't mention how i got on yesterday at Dentists????? That's because i didn't get seen, la la la, it's been made for next Monday. All that stressing for nowt! Eddie. x
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Hi CLKD. Hows your mouth healing up now? Eddie. x
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Oh Eddie, I hate it when the appt is put off >:( - I can eat on the other side without too many problems, it's sore but not as much today, haven't needed Nurofen since Friday evening. I had withdrawal headache all of Sat. but was OK yesterday. I think there is low grade infection present as my throat is sore and that side of my tongue is sore ::) and I see the Dentist again next week. Thanks for asking :thankyou:
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That's good, are you rinsing with corsodyl to prevent infection spreading?
I have decided to see this dentist thing through, if i need a bridge then so be it. Maybe need to address the anxiety too. So 12m today. Eddie. x
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With love and huge hugs to everyone with dental appts
HATE THE BASTARD DENTISTS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
OK off my chest big hugs xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Ps why would any one be a dentist they and Gynos must be the hated people one in mouth on in fanny
YUKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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I asked a Dental Surgeon why and he said 'because I can stop pain for people' - good enough reason for me :-* I have a bottle of something spirited to rinse with but the lid is still tightly fixed, I hate gargling .
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I went to Dentist on Monday, finally this new dentist can see ab area of infection, looks quite high up?? Got more antib's, i've to see my own dentist tomorrow for a review? This young dentist was talking about surgery to remove it? I've had that done before, really don't want it, it won't even improve the appearance of my teeth? Hope both CLKD and Taz are recovering well. Eddie. x
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3 days without any pain apart from a sudden stab in the socket on waking.
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Cringe.......... It is getting better then?? Eddie. x
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I hope so. I haven't needed Nurofen since Friday evening even though it was sore on Sat., I began to feel like I was getting withdrawal headaches from the Nurofen ........ I see the Dentist on Friday for the next installment ::)
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Tomorrow or next? Eddie. x
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Next ........
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That's not so bad then, a bit of relief before the nest installment, what will they do then?
I'm going today for a review? Not sure what that means, have you taken any of the rescue remedies before going? I'm thinking on it. Eddie. x
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I haven't taken any but carry a mouth spray in case. Implants have been mentioned ::)
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I thought you had agreed to have the implants done CLKD - are you having a rethink?
Taz x
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Well just back from dentist, he thinks it's strange because there is def infection shown on xray, but not raging, can't understand the hold/cold pain either as there is no nerve. So he's now referred me to dental dept of local hospital for opinion. He doesn't think i have any option other than apicoectomy or removal. don't think i can cope with either, i'm itching all over thinking about it.
Eddie. x
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What is an apicoectomy? Pray tell. Dental pain is famous for being referred from another tooth entirely. Our son is a dentist and said anywhere along a nerve, pain can show up - especially confused if sinuses are involved.
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I really dont care what all these things are called
DENTIST = PAIN AND SUFFERING :( :(
Viv
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Wow - great new name! :)
Bette x
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:thankyou:
Better stop signing myself Viv then
Honey
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Yep referred pain can be difficult to diagnose >:( and nope haven't changed my mind about implants, but need to make sure that no surgery is required around the remaining nerve before we go ahead.
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Once we've all worked out who you are, yes! ;D
Bette x
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Well they do say a change is as good as a rest.
Only problem is I keep confusing myself and that is easily done ;D ;D
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same avatar which should help ???
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True but we are dealing with meno brains here!
The 1st time I posted under my new name, I signed my old one by mistake - Taz pm'd me to point it out! ;D
Bette x
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I only hope when I sign in tomorrow I remember who I am ;)
I can be such a dope sometimes.
Honey
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You can still be Viv and be a honey! Trey it's when they access the root of the tooth via the gum.
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I just stay signed in all the time so I don't have to remember anything! ;)
Bette x
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Eddie, we've never heard of that. I think I would prefer it that way and not risk weakening the tooth. How interesting. The things I learn on this forum.
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CLKD. Have you got Dentist today? Hope i'm still here when you update. Good luck for today. Eddie. x
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Yep. There and back. The Surgery was having the Day from Hell, they got to work to find the electrics weren't working, the electrician went as I arrived; 2 mins later a pipe burst in the attic and water poured down through the light fittings!
I have talked to the Dentist and will be going back next month for bone density scan prior to implants!
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Oh dear, at least you weren't having any work done. Eddie. x
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Nope. Nor next time, it's still discussion period but when he mentions The Work ::)
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I saw a very nice man this week who decided to start on my dental work in 2 weeks' time :o - going to lift a R sinus :-\ to make room for a titanium rod, 2 hour job >:( :o followed in a few weeks by a titanium rod insertion in the lower jaw .............. oh boy, haven't had the quote yet ::)
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sounds similar to my implant, CLKD, that cost me £2,600 just for the one :o
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:o yep - I need 2 doing, did you have a sinus lift?
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It all sounds just scary to me
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Honeyb
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The sinus lift is not something I could even think about CLKD - you are very brave. Where are they taking the bone from? My mate had hers taken from her hip I think. She did have trouble though and had to have it redone. It was two years before she could have her implants. Is it because you haven't got enough bone left?
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No didn't have a sinus lift, CLKD and didn't need bone taken, had enough there which was surprise because I thought as I was _so_ old it may have all disappeared! Must admit if it had involved a bone graft I may have had second thoughts.
Had tooth extracted and due to infection problems and a lot of abs which then gave me a UTI problem, I had a long gap before I plucked up courage to do the implant. Have to say the implant rod bit was actually not bad at all.
So good luck with it all.
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Does no one do fixed bridges anymore with the bridge of a false tooth fitted over two crowned teeth. I have two of them and both over 25 years old. Just wondered.
Has everyone read about the osteoporosis drugs depleting bone in the jaw, which has caused problems for implants. My friend just went through that situation.
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My OH has a bridge which is very successful, he had it done a couple of years ago,so yes they still do it and compared to what CLKD is describing I know what one I would want ???
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Oh Lord, reading this thread is frightening! Despite 6 root canal treatments and 4 crowns up top and 2 in lower front teeth, that implant malarkey sounds scarey. Couple of years ago, had to have one of my incisor crowns removed and a bridge of some description put in. It was a doddle but I keep worryign that if the crown next door to it gives up the ghost (as they sometimes do after 25+ years), I'll need a bigger bridge or implants! Eeek. Good luck ladies :(
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Hi Taylor,
Yes still do bridges but I was advised to have the implant because with a bridge the teeth are all joined together and if you then have a problem with any one of them it is more difficult to sort out. The dentist said that as I have a bad abscess that can sometimes mean they reoccur so in the end I made the decision to have the implant, it was my choice. Well sort of a choice :)
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Hi Cres: Son's a dentist and he did one of my bridges. Because it's all crowns little chance or far less chance of decay and if abscess can drill through the crowns, if I recall correctly. I've had one 31 years. Two six year molars pulled that were perfectly fine, due to sinuses (not diagnosed) in Air Force (husband was) at time. Thought were abscessed, but alas, perfect roots. It's an imperfect world.
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Too much space for bridging! However: I received the letter and quote yesterday, sent 2nd Class >:( and on the first page of the letter who ever typed it has the side incorrect!!!! so that does NOT instill me with confidence. He has only given me a mobile number for contact and I refuse to deal with professionals by mobile, they could so easily do a moonlight flit ! and it means I am unable to look up his qualifications etc. as I don't have a Practice address, its being done through my regular Dental Surgery. So not a hpapy bunny >:(
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.... so where is the bone being taken from CLKD?
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This is all very worrying, i'm supposed to be getting a bridge involving 6 teeth, but right now i have an infection above one of them, however the sound of these implants is more off putting, CLKD you are very brave and i hope it all works out for you.
I have appointment for dental dept of local hospital on Friday, not l;ooking forward to it at all.
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no bone to be taken thank goodness, the sinus needs lifting to allow room for the pin ...... but not until I get an apology for a sloppy letter ::)
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Honestly, implants really aren't that bad, apart from the huge cost! The idea of the drilling into the jaw to place the titanium rod really made me feel queasy but the actual doing of it was ok.
Would definitely want to know about the dentist's credentials, CLKD. I was sent to a dentist by my regular dentist as he doesn't do implants. The guy I went to spent 90 per cent of his time on implants. I then went back to my own dentist for the crown to be fitted, so cost was split between them.
Hope you can sort it out.
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CLKD - a sinus lift ALWAYS involves bone being grafted. It could be because the bone isn't dense enough or because the tooth is too close to the sinuses and you need to add the bone to lift the sinus away from the tooth "root" - either way bone has to be grafted on. Don't be taken in by a soft approach to this. If he said "sinus lift" then you will need bone to be added. Sorry.
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Thanks - will ask when I go back next week. Have decided to postpone treatment until I've shown him the letter sent from his surgery >:( .......
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The Consultant rang me and cleared up a few pointers this morning, apparently he uses collected bone as 'packing' so won't be taking my own. I will show him the letter when I go for the appt next Wed., to find out who actually signed it >:(
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Where do they collect the bone from? :o
I dont like the sound of that one at all. Did they say CLKD.
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Not sure if I can post this but can't see a buy now button so am going to give it a go - better save it if you want to before it disappears. It says that collected bone is taken from a cadaver :o http://www.colgate.com/app/Colgate/US/OC/Information/OralHealthAtAnyAge/Seniors/DenturesAndDentalImplants/SinusLift.cvsp
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O good grief.
That decides it, if this ever happens to me I will have false teeth and a mug to soak them in and the stuff to stick them to my gums.
No way would I have that.
I am just way to squeamish :o :o
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Can you donate teeth when you die?
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Only false ones ;)
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Oh Taz that's a step too far ;D but has been in the back of my mind ........... feel slightly queasy now which is stupid as I'm a DONOR ::)
So mine will be taken once I'm dead and gone ............. and I WON'T wear falsies 8)
Have saved the Link - thanks!
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Had daughter at the dentist. Poor soul needs four fillings. One large and three small shadows showing. The dentist has said her two years in braces have played havoc with her teeth.
She could brush but not floss and sometimes her mouth was so painful she could not do anything at all.
It seems such a shame that she has gone through so much to have nice straight teeth only to be left with all these problems.
She has two 40 min appointments and is dreading it. :(
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I don't agree with braces >:( ........ it's a money maker!
I used to HATE the dentist but I'm not so bad now. Mind you, by next week I'll not be saying that ::)
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I had braces two years ago (51), had metal ones on for 12 months, the whole procedure cost me £2700. What a difference to how I look and apparently to how long my teeth are going to last me ... I couldn't clean my teeth properly before as they were so crowded and overlapped each other. There are great things you can use to floss with these days, go under bridges, braces and I see there is even an aqua flosser.
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Floss isn't allowed in this household, dirty filty habit >:( :sick02:......... my teeth are crowded too, had the option of braces 5 years ago but couldn't be bothered! I don't see my face except twice a day ;) ........
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Braces!!! My oldest daughter had ortho yesterday, all geared up for removal of brace, but no, this guy wants to keep them on another six weeks with bands, not a happy bunny. Eddie. x
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Yep I agree with Fleurie - I hate the inter dental brushes but use them everyday. As we get older then more care is needed to keep gums healthy and flossing or inter dental poking helps to do this. What is filthy about flossing?
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I had braces in my late 20's and have always used floss. The amount of debris that can get trapped between teeth always amazes me and if it was not removed could cause bad breath and tooth decay. Am a bit confused why you think it is a dirty habit CLKD. I have always considered it basic oral hygiene. :-\
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Has anyone ever read that report that says that gum problems can be a contributory factor to heart disease? I can't remember all the details now but it did seem to make sense and have discussed it with my dentist usually when he's nagging me to be better about flossing :)
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I did read it several times but being cynical ::) ......... what about those tribal peoples who don't have access to floss or paste?
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They clean their teeth with a twig.
My daughter had all the kit to clean around her braces with and she did do her best, but obviously it was not enough. She had really complicated work done. Teeth were turned 180 degrees teeth were moved forward and into place. She even had a CT scan to see if it was possible. She now has lovely straight teeth.
Remind your daughter Eddie how important it is to wear the retainer after the braces come off. The teeth can move back and out of place very quickly.
CLKD
How can braces be about making money when my daughter had this done at the Maxilo Facial dept in hospital.
She had wonderful treatment. My dentist will not do braces and refers to an orthodontist. So no money made by anyone.
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Will do HoneyB.
I'm going to dental dept tomorrow, My friend who took us all to the gig last night is a dentist, we were talking about tomorrow, she told me it doesn't sound like an infection, because of the hot/cold sensation? But more like a fragment of nerve left in that's now dying? Oh joy, more root treatment?? Not looking forward to tomorrow, but it's 9.20, so early enough.
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I love my new Water Pik. I use electric toothbrush and now use a water pik after and I cannot believe the residual - I love blueberries and the brush doesn't get all out. I also use the tongue thingy and the bit of thrush I had way back where I can't see it has cleared and my voice isn't raspy anymore. It is a wonderful gadget.
I hate my veneers - six upper front - first and last thing I am ever doing cosmetically. They've been replaced twice and that was in the first two months. Hate them! If this is TMI - sorry, but I still love my Pik.
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Here is an article not just about heart disease but also poor memory associated with tooth loss http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/how-flossing-can-save-your-life-1975548.html
I don't know whether you think that "tribal people" don't have bad teeth CLKD or heart disease. Do you picture them with dazzling white smiles and no disease?
Your Pik sounds interesting Taylor.
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I cannot use tongue scrapers/cleaners. They make me retch. I have tried and tried with no success. I just cant do it.
I have an electric toothbrush which I love. I got it at Xmas as my old one was dying and to start with I thought this one was going to rumble my teeth out ;D
My gums are so much better on HRT. Gums receding and bleeding was a real problem for me and now its just fine. I did not get the connection until Taz mentioned it and then the penny dropped. My lady bits might be drying up and falling off, but my gums are great. ;)
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I had to have a brace when I was a child and my teeth were better than before it but no where near as good as with the modern ones. I have finally started to floss regularly and after many years of fillings, haven't had to have one for ages so it must be doing some good. My teeth are quite crooked though, very tight between them so can only use the expensive tape - anything else gets stuck and with sensitive gums, that's horrible. Like Honeyb, they are better since being on HRT though.
Electric toothbrushes are brill - dentist told me to get one several years ago and teeth feel so much cleaner.
I've read about the connection with heart disease before - much rather do some flossing than have that!
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Me too Bette.
I am scared of the dentist, always have been :(
I do feel for my daughter though. She has tried so hard, and gone through so much to be left facing yet more dental work.
I would rather have it done for her, and believe me, thats really saying something. ;)
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Circulation in the gum area goes to brain and heart. Pimples around the bottom and top of nose can go to brain if pressed hard or get infected. (I do it anyway - very carefully).
I first learned here about the connection of HRT and gums - thanks Taz.
Honeyb - grab some Estrace (estradiol cream) and dab a bit on and you will stop dryness and prevent atrophy and recent study (with blood work and endometrial biopsies) show unbelievably little absorption. Now I know Larky disagrees and oddly I think I may agree with Larky as if I use a bunch I seem to get more visual aura migraines, but the study seems valid, too. All I truly know is that it helps me and I use very darn little - just dab it on - no applicator. If you keep up the lining that is formed from new youthful (ha) cells then the absorption is felt not to happen - if you hit and miss than is it felt to happen. I'm blotto today - very little sleep.
Honeyb, where is your self control of the gag reflex? I'm thinking I'm going to have endoscopy possibly again and wondering if I could possibly do what others have - last time was 'uinder' for the procedure.
I feel badly for your daughter - hope she'll feel encouraged that it will all be worth it.
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I am on Hrt and also Vagifem Taylor, but my lady bits still suffering a bit.
As for my gag reflex..... all I can say is that it works very well thanks ;)
Its hopeless. I cant even hold a pencil in my mouth without gagging.
I also had an endoscopy but was sedated. All I remember was the sound of "someone" gagging.
That would have been me ;)
I am a lost cause.
Why do you need another endoscopy Taylor. Are things not good for you at the moment.
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Hi HB, I'm neurotic. Grandmother died of stomach cancer. I have had stomach problems all my life. Lately more, but found that I have trigger points in my main abdominal muscles and have every symptom this super authority on Myofascial Release and trigger point doctor describes as muscular problems mimicing stomach problems. I worsened it by putting wedge in bed and also pillow under knees so I was lying all night with shortened abs - due to the angle created by the wedge and pillows for what I thought was reflux (never had heartburn). So that made things worse so we'll see what getting rid of the trigger points does - I even have the exact diagrammed pain across the entire middle of my back when I breathe deeply.
I've had three fatal diagnoses - all obviously wrong- and because of those - I've become a bit of a nut and hate to go to doc as they keep getting it wrong. Had scope three years ago and he said come back in ten years - I was a bit inflamed but all biopsies negative. I'd be ok if I were still playing tennis and working out, but ..............think I'll go play with my bunny - does that sound neurotic - perhaps, but who cares?
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Playing with the bunny sounds a good idea to me Taylor. You sound really qiute stressed tonight.
Its sounds muscular to me from sleeping in a funny position. Is the Gaviscon helping with the reflux?
Hope you feel better soon.
Take care
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I've seen people using a stick to clean between teeth, even in the UK ::) - I wondered though whether tribal peoples have access to herbs etc. which would prevent heart disease even if they don't have access to good dental care? Or maybe their diets prevent cavities? I was looking at some of the recent media reports in countries in upheaval and one man interviewed didn't have many teeth, my immediate thought was ouch :'(
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Oh well back from Dental dept, not much further on, no sign of infection, he said def not nerve pain, so to have the apisectomy in 6-8 weeks, he said i've not had any root canal treatment done so only 70-75% sure it will be success.
Also have to wait 6-8 months after this before i can get any more work done, because if it's not successful he thinks he will have to try and do root treatment and the posts are heavily cemented in that they will break.
He also explained why i had an anxiety attack the last tiem, apparently sometimes a small amount of the anesthetic can get into blood stream and cause the heart to race and feel just how i felt. I saw a film once about people inducing a heart attack by doing this. Not a happy bunny right now.
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Sounds miserable, Eddie, I am sorry you haven't had some sort of solution to your problem.
I had a few months, think it was 3, last year when I had mouth/gum/tooth pain. Found it difficult to exactly pin it down and describe it to the dentist and went backwards and forwards for quite some time. He basically filed down a couple of my teeth as he thought I might be out of alignment and it did eventually calm down although have no idea if it just went by itself as I had been convinced it was nerve pain. Even had what I am sure was a pointless filling as he initially thought it was caused by a small crack in the base of a tooth.
Do hope your problem improves.
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Thanks Crescent, that's now over 5 months. :(
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Hi Eddie, my step son is a dentist and once I went 'off the wall' with the adrenalin (epinephrine) added to the numbing anesthetic. Heart pounding and felt I would go unconscious. The dentist can lower the amount (and should). It's given to constrict the local blood vessels and reduce bleeding, but it is not necessary and at least can be given in greatly reduced amounts - Always remind the dentist and put it on your allergy sheet - 'sensitive to epinephrine' and then that won't be a worry.
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I saw dentist today and explained about that, so hopefully it will be on record, i will however remind him when getting this surgery. Not likely to forget it. :o Eddie. x
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Hi Ladies
I've had problems with increased heartrate after dental anaesthetic for years......
I became very aware of it when I was on a certain type of AD, which required a low dose adrenaline anaesthetic. Was fine on this alternative but suffered terribly once I had stopped the AD and reverted to normal anaesthetic :( Previous dentists thought that my high heart rate was down to anxiety but I knew it wasn't....
Pleased to say that my current dentist (Private - Not NHS,) is very happy to give me an anaesthetic which does not give me the same problems :) I'm not very keen on visiting my dentist, (Well who is??!!) but I now have confidence in knowing that I'm not going to suffer with a rapid heartrate afterwards! (Saying that -not had any work in the past 5 years ;D)
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I have to mention this same heart rate problem to my dentist each time and she uses the alternative type which gives me no problems.
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I need to:
clean my teeth
have a wash
check under my chin for hairs
check my top lip for hairs ........... :sigh:
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Thanks for that Susan. I am sure it will be of help to CLKD who is having implants with sinus lift. They are not using her own bone though. I did post this link about sinus lifts and implants http://www.colgate.com/app/Colgate/US/OC/Information/OralHealthAtAnyAge/Seniors/DenturesAndDentalImplants/SinusLift.cvsp I wouldn't mind having them but the cost is far too much for me I'm afraid.
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He earned EVERY penny yesterday! Even when the LA wore off and I could feel him sewing up :'( ...... this morning I'm like sort of swollen as if I have been given a course of steroid treatment but only on one side of my face. Sore. No pain. Nufofen+ yesterday and antibiotics for 7 days. YUK. I've even volunteered for the other side to be done but that won't take as long as there are no roots to recover.
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Oh poor you, it made me cringe reading that. Yuo are very brave. Well done, now take it easy and look after yourself. Eddie. x
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I'm too young to consider dentures, it would make my life difficult. My regular Dentist popped in yesterday during the procedure but didn't tell me he was there until I opened one eye through the goggles ::) which I thought was nice on his day off. At one point there was discussion on how to tie shoelaces ::) ....... and how the kit is expensive so they hope not to drop nuts and bolts down the patient's gullet so shut GOB quick then :D ....... the girl with the suction was VERY good and they both worked quickly. Unable to face much food today too much effort Hubby made pancakes last night which I managed to suck mid-evening :-*
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I look like I've taken steroids ! half my face is swollen from below the eye to under my chin this morning ::) .... the lower jaw aches. My thighs ache were I tensed in the chair. My throat is dry. Off to do the mouth cleansing routine :beaurk: :crutch: hubby came back with tulips last night, [2 lips ;) ] sore around the sutures ::) whinge, whinge, whinge, ............ :-X
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Were you brave enough to ask where the bone came from CLKD? :) I am too young to consider dentures too but can't afford the cost of implants. :'(
Hope that you are feeling less bruised now. My mate went into work the day after hers - the children in her class were very impressed and treated her like some kind of heroine!
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Donated ;) ... and there is a membrain over the whole area stitched in ....... the top gum is very sore tonight so took 1 Nurofen+ half an hour ago. Had fish and chips for supper :-*
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That's really good - wonder if you have to sign something to say you will donate a bit of bone when you die? Have never heard of it before. Great idea. Ooooh you could have had a cow bone! http://www.dentalimplant.co.uk/blog/what-are-the-success-rates-of-using-cow-bone-for-bone-grafting
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Thanks ;D - well those fish and chips laid heavy, I hadn't eaten anything solid except 2 pancakes since Wednesday evening. So the bowel has stopped working again and I felt so ill at 1.30 a.m., my stomach was really hungry too. So I managed half a cup of tea and 1 fresh date, an hour later 3 ginger biscuits being careful not to eat on the affected side. Still hungry but have managed half a soft bread roll stuffed with honey this morning ........ bruising has moved down the face now to the chin region!
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CLKD, you are such a trooper as my British mother would say. I sure hope you feel better and better this weekend. Of all the parts that hurt in my body I think tooth pain is the worst. Don't let Taz's teasing get to you about possible cow bone.
Mooooooooooooooooo
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Sorry - I'm just jealous cos I can't afford it! :P However, cow bone is thought to give a really good result - better than from a cadaver.
Taz x :)
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Only kidding, of course. I do think CLKD is brave.
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Well done CLKD, whine and whinge away all you want. Taz and Taylor are just naughty! (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk/smile/animals/animal0062.gif) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk) Easy does it now, and don't shy away from the Nurofen+ and don't forget about the ABs.
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We are not being naughty - we are just being truthful and also I am being curious. I know how much CLKD researches before she goes ahead with things so I wanted to know what type of bone was used as I feel sure she would have asked. I have had a friend who had a cadaver bit of bone and another who used her own bone and the cadaver friend (if I can put it like that!) did much better than the own bone lady who had to have it re-done as her own bone reabsorbed (or something like that)
Taz x ;D
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" ... cadaver friend ... " (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk/smile/sick/sick0022.gif) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk) oh Taz, heh heh!
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Need a skeleton smiley here!
Taz x :D
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Would pain round the belly button be ............. :-\ ??? - today I'm wondering why I've undergone such a procedure - woke in the night feeling queasy am constipated, face is bruised, nothing tastes 'right' ....... have managed to slept fitfully for 2 hours on the settee then woke up cold ...... I'm trying to eat a banana with milk but can't open my gob [mouth] wide enough to get a slice in >:( it is very stiff can't remember whether I've yawned yet since the surgery ::) - did manage to cook 4 small sausages for lunch which tasted like :-X
I was told that donated bone is better than live body harvest.
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Taz, as the starter of this thread - how's your mouth now?
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Well, funny you should ask that as, for the past week it has been troubling me again so I am going to phone the dentist on Monday to get her to have another look at it.
Sorry you are feeling out of sorts - but it will all be worth it in the end. Did your consultant ever comment on the letter he sent out with all the mistakes in?
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Sorry if this is a silly question, but if the bone is donated is there not a chance the body would reject it.
Sorry you are suffering CLKD it must be so painful. At least you can take nurofen. I am surprised you are constipated though. They are said to cause the exact opposite.
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The whole side of the face is a sort of mustard colour with black and green thrown in :madeyes: yesterday was not comfortable so had to take 2 Nurofen before I could get to sleep. Didn't wake all night. Now mooching around, trying to get a banana slatered in milk down me.
There may be rejection of the titanium 'pin' but that is unlikely. The worse scenerio is that the whole area becomes infected and the Dentist starts over >:( .....
I will discuss the letter once the work is done ........ ;)
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I just want you better!
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So do I and today is a big improvement on yesterday ! though stomach is rumbling after a recent addition of anbtibiotic tablet >:( but not as much pain round the belly button thank goodness! Pancakes again for tea later ;)
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Gentle (very gentle) massage in a clockwise direction with medium cream or lotion with just finger tips often stimulates peristalsis. I had partial blockage from adhesions following peritonitis and learning this from a PT saved the day.
As I say to my two Rhodesian Ridgebacks: Heel! (whoops, Heal!)
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:clapping: and do they? Heel ::)
I can't bear much on the face although it is healing because the skin itches. Up at 4.30 taking pain relieve and another anti-biotic. It feels as though there is infection up there >:(
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Hi CLKD, can you put a warm, damp wash cloth on your face. Used to be told that increasing the circulation with warm heat would draw the antibiotic and the good white blood cells to the area to fight infection. Are you taking your temperature? Are you drinking a lot of water? Queries over. Hope you make a big turn for the better today.
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Each day I'm improving :medal: am now eating a very soft roll stuffed with locally made honey :-* ......... today the injection sites are very sore ::), swelling is down, colour is less ......... I need to search through a drawer for a suitable face before I show it to the World though 8)
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Or a balaclava perhaps..........oh or a bee keepers hat. You dont want to frighten the locals do you ;D ;D
There could be talk about you falling down drunk. You know how these rumours start. ;)
Glad you are feeling better though, your roll and honey sounds yummy.... off to make the dinner and I just cant be bothered as I am not hungry at the moment.
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Took pain relief at 4.30 a.m. and again just now so must be improving ::) the area feels like it needs to be itched but I haven't dared look at it yet :-X the sutures feel like hawsers >:(
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Get hubby to have a look see.
Oh this is making my knees feel funny ::)
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NO one is going near my mouth :-X the balaclava is a Good Idea - but I don't do knitting ;D ......... now have acute indigestion because I took 2 Nurofen >:(
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Sounds painful CLKD. Which teeth did you have implanted? I am sure it will all be worth it in the end.
Taz x
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Only 1 so far: 2 deeply embedded roots had to be removed first [ top right at the back] then the work prior to implant took place. The titanium rod is there along with sutures which are sore. In May I go for the left lower to be prepared. It was supposed to be at the end of the month but I couldn't face visiting with family and getting the Spanish Inquisition on Mothering Sunday!
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well how about coincidences?
I looked up the Dental Surgeon in charge of my mouth like you do. Found his Surgery address and what a surprise! It's in the same area of the country as the name in part of my dog's pedigree! I had no idea that this particular affix was a UK one because her Gt Gt Gt Grandad was an Australian Champion so had never looked for the Kennel here!
Now i've every drawer in the house out and turned over plus cupboards searching for her Pedigree ;D
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Ohh, that's interesting, tell us what you find out. Eddie. x
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I will do. Hadn't thought about her Pedigree for years found it in her Memory Folder. Will take it along to my next appt. it will takemy mind off what he's about to do ::)
Gums sore so took pain relieve at 3.30 ........
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Yes please - LARGE will do ;D can I have a different colour for each day though and a bow for Sundays?
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My hubby got a dental bridge fitted on Monday, i'm not very impressed with it, think i'll just get new crowns if possible?
Pleased to hear your getting over it CLKD. Eddie. x
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Hubby had a bridge for years without problems. Then it began to discolour. The needle points are still sore enough to need Nurofen >:( but generally I feel better most of the time. Thanks for the support too :foryou: ALL. These sutures are supposed to dissolve :-\ ....... I don't which Century that will be then ::)
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I had dissolving stitches when I had a cesarean. They did not dissolve and I ended up taking them out myself with a pair of tweezers :o
I would not think that would be a good idea for inside your mouth though ;)
Glad you are much improved CLKD. It must be nice to get back to normal for a while.
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Oh no way .... I can see the sutures but :-\ ..my whole mouth is sore this morning so off to give it a good salt wash >:( and my ears ache too :-X
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Thanks. Forgot to do the salt wash ::) :-X
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OH YUK! decided to have a soft bread roll with patee for lunch, oh how awful. Texture. Tastes. Flavours. YUK! I had to spit it out ....... :P now need something to take the taste away.
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Salt Wash CLKD ;)
Honeyb
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Shan't ;) - ought to, gums are sore and I have a painful tooth on the other side now. Going to ring the Surgery later for advice. Not on ABs any more so that pain round the belly button has gone!
I had a long chat with the Nurse who knows my mouth and will go for the sutures out on Tuesday and the Dentist will check the painful tooth on the other side at the same time. I've only lost 1lb this week, despite not eating properly ::) and cycling ........
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Still having intense nips around the suture areas, one stitch came out last night, so am off to the Dentist's again today for a check up and a prod in the other side where I have a dull ache ::) .......yesterday was the first day I didn't need to take any Nurofen :bounce:
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I hope the other side is just from changed bite or something and not another tooth. Fingers crossed.
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Another tooth! Apparently it was capped years ago after a root canal which wasn't completely taken out and is now protesting! More to think about. The sutures have been removed from the implant site so it already feels better.
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Just as one settles another prob raises it's head. Sorry to hear that. Eddie. x
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With Hubby due to retire too ::)
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OUCH!
My mouth feels a LOT better this morning :-*
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Thank you. I feel blessed to have such lovely support from you all! :thankyou:
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Thank Goodness. Honestly CLKD, I think I get sympathy pains in my teeth in your honor. I'm sure my TMJ will be improving now that you feel better. I just hate tooth pain and want you well.
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Thanks. I suspect that the bone in that area is healing as it became very painful in the afternoon, a good dose of pain relief sorted it and I slept all night. Hopefully will get some respite before the next session ::)
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I have a dental question and this seemed to be the place to post.
Daughter was at dentist today for three fillings. She was given 4 full injections and while she was in the chair I had the feeling all was not well. I asked her a few times if she was ok and she did respond to me. It was not until I got her outside that she told me the world had gone a bit funny. The room was fuzzy and the dentists voice was very far away. The dentist had to stop drilling because it was painful and she said she could not give her any more injections. The tooth is now dressed and patched and she will have to start again.
When she came home she went to bed and has slept for about four hours.
Obviously four injections were too many for someone of her size. We will tell the dentist but I am concerned this will happen again. Is there another option in the type of local anesthetic they can use?
Has anyone else had this happen to them.
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HoneyB, i've already said about my funny turn at dentist, i thought i was going to have a heart attack. Maybe the adrenalin was too much, or as the dentist at the hospital told me it could leak into the blood. Hope she feels better, is this her first main filling with anesthetic? Eddie. x
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Hi Eddie
No she has had fillings and extractions before but this is the first time she has had so many injections at the one time. The dentist said she will give five full injections to an adult and four to a child of her age (tall but very very skinny).
She was also talking about giving her the same amount next time but just for this one tooth, and its way too much.
She had some macaroni cheese at 6pm and has slept until now. Came down stairs for a drink and is now asleep again. Thats not normal surely.
Honeyb
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My hubby passed out after having dental work done, he had four or five fillings, he ended up in hospital, they said it was shock from the jags. He actually collapsed in our living room, he was out cold for a few minutes and we had to call 999, who carted him off. Eddie. x
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Well I have to say daughter did not look great at all. She was very very pale and she said that her school shirt was stuck to her back with sweat. I think I will call and speak to the dentist before we go back so I can tell her honestly what happened. Daughter would be embarrassed if the conversation was in front of her (you know what they are like at this age)
Honeyb
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Did they give the injection time to work, i know that's why it has adrenalin in it, to speed it up, but maybe it still needed time rather than more anesthesia? Def try to find out before next trip. Eddie. x
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You might have a look at this. Dentist can give anesthetic injection without epinephrine. Scary. I had it once and my head started buzzing and I thought I was going unconscious. Took hours to become ok.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a603002.html#side-effects
This one is total about DENTAL INJECTION:
http://www.drugs.com/pro/xylocaine-dental.html
The dentist needs to aspirate (withdraw with plunger to be sure not into a blood vessel) or give NO epi.
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Recently I had 4 injections - it depends on where the work is to be done as to which nerves need to be dulled so I had 2 into the bottom gum and 1 in the top of the tooth area and another in the roof of the mouth. Because of the medication I am on he was unable to top it up towards the end of the treatment and it was like having a swarm of bees in my mouth every time he sutured.
I think you should have a talk with the dentist and explain how DD was after treatment so that if necessary, another local anaesthetic can be used.
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http://www.dentalfearcentral.org/fears/allergy-novacaine/
This is a good article, explaining what the vast majority are allergic or sensitive to in dental injections. It seems that it is not epinephrine that causes true allergy, but instead other components of the injection. But epi side effects are the probable cause of most reactions in my thinking. So the question is: Side effects or true allergy?
My biggest reaction was buzzing in the head and feeling of going unconscious so mine WAS an epi side effect.
So the question is: is one reacting to components in the injection or is one having a 'normal' side effect of the injection. I get my anesthetic without epi and do fine, so mine was side effect, not allergy per se.
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How's the mouth Taz?
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Hmmm it's not good at the minute. I need to go back to the doc to have some more of the sealant put around the gum. I have never paid much attention to the "shrinking gums" news but now I realise how painful it makes your teeth. I have started on Sensodyne - better late than never. Thank you for asking as it has made me think about it more and I will phone the dentist tomorrow.
Taz x
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I go for my next session in 2 weeks' time :-X
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Taz, I got a Water Pik about two months ago and my receding gums have come down to almost normal. I think the pulsating water (I add a bit of salt) has somehow stimulated growth. Also, I find my night guard tends to push the gums up somewhat. Do you have Water Piks in UK?
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Oooh - I don't know - will have a search ;D
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Yes we do http://www.amazon.co.uk/Waterpik-Ultra-Cordless-Dental-Water/dp/B00164C5GG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302618841&sr=8-1 I think that's ok because it's Amazon :-\
Taz x
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I would never do cordless. Mine is so strong that it could cut the inside of my cheek on high power. I brush with an electric Braun brush and then use the water pik and I'm horrified at how much food comes out. I eat blueberries and oats for breakfast and well it's disgusting how much remains after a good brushing. Yuk TMI.
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The waterpik looks interesting, anyone else used one?
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I know how you feel Susan - I have always taken good care of them but they have weak enamel and there didn't used to be much you could do about that. My dentist has always said to my sons that it was because when I was growing up there was no fluoridisation (is that a word?) I have never had enough money to get implants but really hoped that by the time I was this age money worries would be behind us - ha - what a silly thought!
Taz x
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Himself has a tooth which needs extraction followed by the possibility of implant treatment. At a time when he's put in for early retirement ::) ;) - we'll be in the surgery holding each other's hands at this rate ;D
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I'm still waiting for my appt, seems to be taking ages. Eddie. x
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I HATE the waiting!
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I know, i called yesterday to advise i would take a cancellation, my teeth are uncomfortable enough now. Eddie. x
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Got my appointment for apicoectomy, 1st June, i couldn't have wished for a better date, other that the fact that it is the day after my birthday, it's on a Wednesday so hopefully most swelling will be down for the next Tuesday,(my working day). It is local anesthetic, but will i be okay to go alone and drive home? No info came with appt? Eddie. x
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I know how you feel Susan - I have always taken good care of them but they have weak enamel and there didn't used to be much you could do about that. My dentist has always said to my sons that it was because when I was growing up there was no fluoridisation (is that a word?) I have never had enough money to get implants but really hoped that by the time I was this age money worries would be behind us - ha - what a silly thought!
Taz x
Sometimes Taz it doesnt matter how good you take care of your teeth
I was fine till I had baby boy Id had 2 fillings in my life
Within 9 months of his birth I had 9 fillings with in 6 years of his birth id had 8 teeth out(all the filled ones and 1 more)
I brushed and still do brush 2 sometimes 3 a day I floss after and sometimes between meals
I use Sensodyne and have done for years now I use the new one Rapid
I had all my mercry filllings removed mind only had 3 and had amalgum then when I could afford it I had them replaced with porcelin
My dentist told me a few years ago about gum shrinkage when I had my titanium implant (never again)
The needle here in Ozz is the epidural or Block injection they put it at the back of your mouth by the end of lower jaw or top
Depends on upper or lower teeth being done now OK the needle is huge and it does OUCH but after 2 mins
Well lets just say they could do open surgery and youd not feel it I had my wisdom tooth taken out this way and it was bust in half
I had the root can done this way too I didnt feel anything as your awake they are more careful not to be rough so not much swelling
We as a family have Private Dental cos in Ozz theres abso NO national health dental service you pay or nothing not even for kids
So for all its pains and waits thank god for the Ntional Health sevice and I hope evryone with paining teeth and appts to come xxxx
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Himself had a tooth removed last week, this weekend he's had pain in another so is off for a root canal right now :( managed to get into the Surgery on a cancellation!
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Are you having more work done soon? Eddie. x
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Tomorrow but not sure what the next step is ::) - Himself is fine, needs to go for the next session on Tuesday.
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My OH is a lucky sod, he has NEVER had any work done on his teeth, every time he goes for his check up, I keeping hoping he will come back telling me he has to have a filling or something, but no he just tells me "everythings fine" ::)....its just not fair! :(
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Himself is half way through a procedure but bit on something hard last night so we are off to the Dentist today: again ::) I need to sort out appts too.
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Hope it is easily sorted then CLKD. Can I ask - do you always go to the dentist together? In our family we have always gone separately.
Taz x
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Nope, unless I know I need driving home. His tooth is broken so the root canal treatment has changed to extraction next week. I talked to the Dentist about my 'other' tooth and we decided after a lot of phaffing on my part, that it will be removed on Friday. It seemed the quicker option than sitting in that chair being drilled, refilled, drilled and re-fitted ::)
How's your teeth Taz?
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Mine are still not good. Have got a lot of sensitivity even though I am using the sensodyne toothpaste. I am trying to get an appointment to have the original painful one looked at again as I think the sealant they put around the gum has failed and I am getting pain with hot or cold food and drinks. The gums themselves are much better now that I am back on HRT but this peridontal disease isn't very nice! Still, I was reading Molly Parkin's latest book about her life and she mentioned how "gummies" are much sought after by men! Always look on the bright side of life... :party:
Taz x
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Gummies for gummies then - a glass of water on each side of the bed :bed: - oh joy ::)
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You are funny Taz, that made me laugh out loud :rofl:
silverlady x
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For some bizarre reason I felt a bit affronted that we had done it without his teeth in ;D but then I had my contact lenses out and am blind as a bad, so that is probably why I didn't notice it. :D
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Christ - that made me laugh Susan.
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In the old days 'making an effort' ment them getting dressed up and buying a nice meal and maybe flowers, it has now been reduced to remebering to put in a partial denture!
Brilliant!! :rofl:
Bette x
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My mans the same as you Larky, he's never even had a filling, his teeth are perfect, its just not fair....every six months he comes home from his check up, with a smug grin........"erm yeah, dentist said every things fine." ::)
Arrrg >:(
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Oh Lordy me and my Big Mouth .......... was booked in for Friday for an extraction but decided to go the root canal route instead so Hubby gets his tooth out at lunchtime tomorrow and I follow him in for the first of 2/3 sessions :o - bananas all round tomorrow then, or soup .............. :-X - never has Larky's icon been so apt!
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Ouch :'(
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Are you back to square one with painkillers etc? Eddie. x
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No one noticed I was going to the Dentist :-\ and yep, I had to take Nurofen+ x 2 last night and again at 6.20 a.m., I feel all hung over and it was only when I took 2 ordinary Nurofen that the pain began to go away >:( so don't know if there's infection as it feels more than bruising from the 2 hours of surgery yesterday .......... and Himself had an extraction so we both had soft food last night ..........
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:foryou: Sorry. Eddie. x
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Thanks! I've taken pain relief today and now my stomach is rolling :-\ ........ looks like I'll be back to the Srugery tomorrow >:(
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Sorry CLKD - is this instead of your second implant then?
Taz x
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Nope. The implant is on the opp side. Due to be completed in July.
This is extremely painful. An old root canal treatment which required scraping out due to infection and a temporary crown replaced. 2 hours yesterday. Constant pain today which is getting worse.
Off to take another Nurofen ::) and have e-mailed surgery for anti-biotics.
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Sounds painful CLKD
Hope things feel better tomorrow. Sometimes after they have been prodding around it takes a little while to settle.
Honeyb
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Didn't settle so Himself took me to the Surgery early this morning and we waited until the Dentist arrived. I now have a strong pain killer to take as well as anti-biotics ....... so by tomorrow this time I will be on the floor :o. There has been infection in the region for a few weeks so I think the prodding etc. on Tuesday flared it up :-\
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CLKD, I so hope you will be well soon. I think the flouride in our water saved all the teeth in US, but at what cost as many consider it poison. Our son, the dentist, says he and others see few cavities and most go into cosmetic dentistry to survive. I can't use flouride toothpaste any longer as I get recurring canker sores.
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Hope you feel better soon CLKD. My dentist wont touch anything that has infection in until a five day course of antibiotics has been given. I have had that scraping out of the root canal thingy but I was given antibiotics to begin immediately after it. It was painful for the first day or so. My dentist advised two nurofen as soon as possible and then to take two tablets every six hours or so (up to the maximum daily dose) for at least three days. It worked.
Taz x
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Oh poor you CKLD, that's something similar to what i'm having done, but they get to the root from the gum. Hope it's not so painful.
Eddie. x
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Taylor
I think I am right in thinking what you call a canker sore is what we would call an ulcer. My kids had them constantly when they were younger. I tried everything to stop this happening. I eventually discovered that some people have a sensitivity to one of the foaming ingredients in toothpaste. Its called Sodium Lauryl Sulphate [sp]. I have found quite a few toothpastes that dont contain it. Once they stopped using this all the problems went. They still however can use fluoride.
Honeyb
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HoneyB, The new sensodyne one doesn't contain it, it's the only one i've found that's commonly available at a decent price. Eddie. x
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Hi HB, thanks. I read about that ingredient, I think in a Colgate product and something about it maybe being not good - my memory leaves me -. I use a natural toothpaste now that has neither that ingredient or flouride, but I notice my teeth are not as white (even though my natural paste includes sodium bicarb and papain) so now and then I use whitening strips with heavy peroxide. Called recurring anthous ulcers - very worrisome at first as no pain and that usually means auto immune disease, but I found the paper on flouride and the ulcer left in a few days, and did not recur until I tried flouride again as a test. Thank you for your post.
ps: our dentists here complain that almost no one has cavities and have not had in twenty years because of flouride, but there have been many movements to get it out of our water. I don't trust all our regulations anymore when I see how drug plants are inspected (not!).
Hope you are both feeling better CLKD.
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I suffered with the most vile mouth ulcers for years & was getting them every 2 weeks. I changed the mouth wash I use to one that doesn't contain alcohol and that seems to have done the trick - hardly ever get one now :)
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Foxy: have read that using a B12 tablet (the kind you are to dissolve under tongue) but using it right against the ulcer really helps. I just let the tablet stay until it dissolves as the ulcer was between the back of jaw and cheek and it would stay. Glad you found the culprit - my mouthwash also had flouride in it.
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Don't use VitB12 if you are taking certain anti-depressant medication!
My Dentist rang to check my situation yesterday and was prepared to see me in the afternoon or this morning if necessary. Pain is background, I took medication at 3.25 a.m. and slept soundly from 4.00 p.m. [heard the Church clock so know it was from then]. Absolutely no idea what is causing this pain in the cheek. He is seeing me again on tuesday unless the situation deteriorates.
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I think it's trigeminal nerve neuralgia :o and it's excruciatingly painful and I don't know how long each stab will last :'( off to look at the UK support group web-site .....
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Yee gads, CLKD, I had that and it is the worst non fatal pain many say. Mine was finally called atypical facial neuralgia and I was scheduled for a trigeminal nerve ablation. But, miracles of miracles, it finally got better. Also they called them cluster headaches. Have they damaged a nerve? If so, hopefully it will heal in time - lots of time. I took self hypnosis classes to learn to 'control' the pain. Oddly, when done with meno, it got better.
I sure hope you do not have this. I had it for years from, I'm guessing 35-55. Wouldn't wish it on anyone. I also had one pupil that blew (turned eye completely black) and they diagnosed brain tumor and it was a reaction to the brain scan dye i think. It got better over time. Gosh, being an old battle ax, I have had a few things. This is one I'd just as soon forget. Hope it is just swelling on the nerve and that it will go away! Sorry.
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Taylor I had this in the 1990s but can't remember which side of the face. Looking at the UK Support web-site there's lots of gloom and doom as to how medications do/don't work. One reputadly gives a 'life threatening rash' to some sufferers :o :o ..... WTF!
Fortunately, either the spasms are getting fewer and/or the Nurofen is controlling the pain better. It is excruciating, I was crawling along the lounge floor yesterday waiting for the meds to kick in. I've stopped the ABs as I could no longer bear the heartburn; it was that or stop eating and as a recovering anorexic [see other thread] .......
Hey Ho! we've been shopping for more Nurofen but only allowed 2 packets a day from Tesco ::)
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How are you getting on with them Susan? The first time I took them I had no real ill effects apart from thrush in the mouth but the second time I came out in a really itchy rash as my body recognised it and sent out warnings. I can't have it now. One good side effect though was that my fungal toenail infection has begun to clear for the first time in years!
CLKD - how many nurofen are you taking if you need to buy more than two packets at a time :o
Taz x
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CLKD, I woke up at 3am and thought of your pain. I think I want to share something that may sound crazy, but honestly it might help. There are trigger points (tiny contracted tissue within muscles or fascia) at the base of your skull for head/face pain (found everywhere in body for other stuff) that if you press with your finger tips will be sore and will send shooting pains to the area behind your eye, in your temple, on your cheek bone. TPs (trigger points) cause referred pain. One day a physical therapist was trying to work with my bad neck and she hit this point and I was really shook up as it was the exact pain pattern I had. I saw the neurosurgeon and cancelled my surgery. The TPs recur, especially after dental work.
TMJ is also totally involved. It is like which comes first chicken or egg or whatever the heck it is.
So please massage the back of your head, bottom of skull and if you find a sore spot, press it in and hold seven seconds and gently release, followed by a warm wash cloth or towel. You can also roll your knuckles across your forehead, cheek bone and find same TPs. Wherever you find them - same thing - press and hold and release and warmth cloth. Press hard enough to hurt..
I wonder if I can copy and paste to pm. I think I tried and can't once before. I'll try and find a link for here.
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Trigger_Point_Therapy_Workbook.html?id=IYqqY5Ae_VoC
Google books usually lets you read a lot of pages, unlike Amazon.
Anyhow, please try and maybe I can get some sleep tonight.
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Good Heavens, Susan, not to worry. I blather on and don't expect responses. Just wish we'd all get to feeling good. I'm getting an inversion table to use very, very mildly 20 degrees max as physical therapist tried me on one and it gave some relief.
Well the world didn't end OR is it possible we are the "Left Behind". Oh my, too much to ponder.
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Thanks for the info everyone. We were shopping so stocked up on Nurofen, we usually buy it in packs of 50 ....... I notice the good effect doesn't last as long in the day-time, probably as I'm moving around more. No obvious triggers yet. Only background throbbing which isn't painful as well as altered sensation over the whole cheek which feels huge but on looking in the mirror, appears normal ::) now that I know the pain can be controlled I feel less anxious. It's such a busy week for us, Himself retires on Friday so we have 'dos' to attend which would be anxiety making under normal circumstances >:(
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Big changes coming then CLKD. Retirement parties and the gold watch thing.
I hope it all goes well for you both and that more importantly you both settle down to your new life style.
Honeyb
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Foxy: have read that using a B12 tablet (the kind you are to dissolve under tongue) but using it right against the ulcer really helps. I just let the tablet stay until it dissolves as the ulcer was between the back of jaw and cheek and it would stay. Glad you found the culprit - my mouthwash also had flouride in it.
Also Ferrum Phos Tissue Salts dissolved on the mouth ulcer helps ease the pain and heal.
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I've started Arnica tablets, footery little things, trying to get six doses a day took me almost 4 days. But manged it yesterday so today it's four doses. Hope this works, really not looking forward to the surgery. :( :(
Hows things today CLKD?
Eddie. x
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Better :-). Woke in the night with pain but not as acute and I managed to go back to sleep. This morning a dull ache around the area and I'm off to see the GP later this morning for advice. There are so many drugs for TN which cause horrendous side effects :o
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Susan, SIDE EFFECTS: Adverse reactions include skin irritation, allergic reaction, and candida vaginitis during or shortly after therapy, vaginal vulvar itching, gastrointestinal cramps or pain, nausea, and metallic taste.
Everything has side effects it seems. I'm violently allergic to crab (hives)
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My Mum gets breast lumps when she eats shellfish, then has to undergo surgery ::)
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While eating my dinner tonight I thought the chicken had suddenly got a bit crunchy. I have lost what feels like a huge bit of a back tooth. OH assures me its not as big as I think, but its not small. Now its rubbing off my tongue. I have an appointment for a check up on Wednesday so I will wait until then. Just hope my tongue survives the rough edges until then.
Note to self......eat on the right side not the left. :-\
Honeyb
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I was told by dentist stepson to use nail file as temp solution - might be hard to get to - mine was in front. Might stab self - nope, not a good idea.
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I've seen my Dentist this morning and he is re-arranging my treatment plan ::) ......... he's been very confused all weekend as to what might be the pain but agrees it's likely to be neuralgia, think he's relieved that it isn't his fault ::)
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Howz the mouth now CLKD, getting ready for your implant?
I'm off today for oral surgery, you can give some tips on pain management later. This has been a long awaited appt but it's finally here. Now i'll find out if the Arnica helped, so far it's given me terrible heartburn.
Eddie. x
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I thought that arnica is for rubbing on not swallowing?
Need to re-arrange my appts for next week! Off to phone up - Good Luck for today!
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CLKD, Thanks, i was told to get both, so i've got the cream/gel to apply to the skin. Eddie. x
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AAAHHHHh ............ how did you get on?
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Hi Susan - are you taking them with lots of water - half a pint at least is recommended. I found it made a lot of difference to the nausea side of things. I can't have it any more though as the second time it brought out an allergic reaction in the form of a really itchy rash. That's another antibiotic on the "no" list for me then!
Taz x :hug:
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I'm really disappointed, when i got there the girl doing the procedure took me aside and told me it only had a 20% chance of fixing the problem, she said that because the tooth hasn't had root treatment the chances are the infection is coming from what she thought was a very fine fracture to the root, which would naturally be full of infection. So i've been referred back to dentist, then referral to Glasgow dental hospital, which will probably take a few more months. I'm really gutted, wasn't looking forward to it anyway, but just want it fixed.
Eddie. x
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I had really bad trouble with a tooth for about 5 years, back and forth to dentist, root filling, last year it flared up so much I asked to have it taken out. It took 2 hours and I was in agony even with localized numbing. Since then the tooth next to it has become painful and loose, but I'm so scared to go back.
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Jenny i worry this is the road i'm on, i've been told because i never had root treatment it will be full of bacteria, 30 yr old crown roots don't like to be disturbed for root treatment now, both my front crowns have not been treated. Dentist didn't want to remove roots when i wanted a bridge to fix it last year. Don't know really what to think now.
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Hi Eddie, I couldn't live with the pain anymore so had tooth removed, I just feel that I've opened another can of worms - so to say. I do need to go back, but really putting it off
jenny
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That's how i felt today, just really wanted it sorted, it not as bad just now, but in the winter when i went out it was awful, so as long as it's sorted before that i'll be okay i spose. Although now would be better because of work, i only do one day at present but would like to increase it if it was offered.
Eddie. x
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Hi Susan - I see that, before, you were taking metronizadole (sp?) and I wondered what type of abscess you have? The metro antibiotic is used for anaerobic bacteria and amoxycillin doesn't touch these sorts of infections. Well, that's what my dentist told me when I had a gum abscess and she was proved right!
Taz x :)
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Sounds difficult Susan. Mine was in the gum and these type are anaerobic so need the metro so that they are starved of oxygen. I had to have a two week course of metro for it to work.
Taz x
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An implant is optional!
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Similar problem to my gob then ::)
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Because a dentist won't consider extraction if there is any infection as it can carry round the body. You have my sympthaty, you're where I was 3 weeks ago and I thought I would never be pain-free. My next appt is 10 mins on Monday morning and again on Thursday for another 2 hours :o
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Susan: 'grind you down'. What a horrible pun! Seriously, is there any way the dentist or your gp can culture the area and find out what the infection will respond to?? Seems logical somehow, but I've never heard of a dental infection culture. Dental infections are always serious because of, as Taz said, the anaerobic aspects are the real troublesome issues. I feel so badly for you and CLKD and others. Do you do salt water and peroxide rinses. Peroxide does go down and gets the more superficial anaerobes (where the peroxide can get below the gum line). 3% peroxide (in US) is used as a gargle and I've done it a thousand times - never swallow. I use salt water when I am not using peroxide - not used together.
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It is recommended to boil the kettle, let the water cool and add to salt water; gargle and rinse. YUK !
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Peroxide is better for anaerobic. I think chlorhexidene is the wash you have. I use similar rarely. Are you taking probiotics to avoid yeast infection?
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Hi Susan - you would be better to take acidophilus tablets - these have laods more of the good stuff than the drinks.
Taz x
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Susan: it's over the counter here, usually with the rubbing alcohol. Taz is so right on the tablets and the strength difference. It really can help prevent yeast as the ABs are destroying good bacteria in the gut as well as bad and the gut is primarily responsible for our immune system. It will not interfere with the action of most ABs, but you might look it up - some ABs don't like dairy products. All my docs advise taking the probiotics though, but I always have to caution and be careful not to prescribe..........................................as I ain't no doc. Hope you get to feeling better.
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Hi susan, Amazon sell Rembran** peroxide toothpaste and colg**e peroxyl oral rinse. Think you have to be bit careful with some of peroxide mouth washes as the chemicals can be very harmful - after all it was used in rocket fuel :)
jenny
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I really think I would ask for assistance on this one. If you google peroxide mouth wash there are a few disturbing points
I had a quick look after the post.
jenny
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He shouldn't take it out if there is infection present so should give advice about which anti-biotics will clear it. :bighug:
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Hi Susan, I would really try to have strength to fight having your tooth out, I had tooth out and it damaged the tooth next to it so much that I know I'll have to go through tooth extraction again which is definately not good.
jenny
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Hi Susan, I use 3% peroxide as a rinse (it is also the main ingredient in whitening strips for teeth) and I am astounded at the cost for you. In US a pint of just the liquid peroxide is less than $1.00USD. (.61 pound) Must be the other ingredients. It is often used by itself to clean out under the gums and it says to dilute with water although I do not. I certainly don't swallow any. We used to clean wounds with peroxide in the hospital, but now they prefer normal saline (salt water). So glad you are feeling better.
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Off for another session in the morning :-\
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Good luck CLKD, it's taking a while isn't it? I must remember to call my dentist, wonder if he's received letter from hospital yet? Can't believe i took arnica for 10 days for nought, gave me terrible heartburn! >:(
Eddie. x
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Went better than that: because of an emergency in the Surgery the appt was postponed :bounce: ...... went shopping with Himself instead :-*
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Except I now have sensitivity on the lower left side ::)
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Next step: had the titanium implant fixed on Wed., at least I think that's what they did ::) - so the areas where the needles went are sore; on Tuesday I undergo yet another procedure on the other side of the mouth ???
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So it is progressing for you? I'm still waiting on referral from one hospital to another! Getting well fedup now.
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Slow progress indeed and the injection sites are very sore. Hey ho!
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Bonjela then?
Well the saga continues. Had a bit of treatment 2 weeks ago and was due for more on Wednesday but the appt has been postponed again! until mid-Sept. 'cos our Calender is so busy I can't fit it in until then ::) ............... don't know whether I'm pleased or not ;D
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I have another session this afternoon :o and don't know at which stage we are with the implant ::) ...........
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Well: last time I went I had the screw removed, a lot of blue gummy stuff put into my mouth on which I had to bite; that will be the imprint for my new tooth I expect. Screw put back in ......... next appt in 2 weeks' time .........
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My gob feels full of teeth - finally the crown is on the titanium peg ........... and I 2 weeks I get the crown to the other tooth on the opp side but it feels like a foreign body ??? :o - the 2 dentists have worked really hard so hopefully it won't fall out [one did say he would give me a sieve should I swallow it :o :o :o ]
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Never thought of insuring it, the whole session has cost nearly £4,000 so far and I've another implant to endure yet. Are you saying 'the sieve won't work' or insure it in case the sieve doesn't work ;D - are you offering to hold the sieve ............ ???
My gob feels like it's got a foreign body in and I managed to bite my cheek at breakfast time :'(
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Could it be ulcers? I've had a lot recently.
I must admit I don't like dentists much, due to a very nasty dentist I had as a child, he put the fear of death in me. But I'm very brave these days and go every 6 months.
I take it LD this is one of your fears, hence not going in the last 15 years, so good on you for arranging an appointment!
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I go often. I have a good dentist now. Ulcers are different types of pain to abscess which needs sorting with an examination and anti-biotics!
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Hi there, ulcers can cause a slight swelling as well. However in my experience with an abscess the pain is constant and throbbing, with a feeling that something is about to explode. Ulcers can be releaved with gels from the chemist and an abscess needs antibiotics as CLKD already said. Hope you are feeling better soon.:(
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Well done for going to the dentist loveydovey - my mum was pretrified of them, and spent years and years avoiding treatment. Things have improved so much though, treatment-wise :).
I haven't read the whole thread, but going back to something on the first page... I mentioned to my dental nurse (while she was scale-and-polishing) that my gums seem to bleed more easily these days and I'd read it might be hormonal. She totally poo-poo'd it! It is totally down to cleaning, according to her. Well, she is correct that good cleaning can help reverse it, but it takes a lot more 'good cleaning' from perimeno onwards! Hmm... she's only young and has a way to go yet ;)
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Well, my gums are definitely better since I've been on HRT and when I mentioned it to my dental hygenist (sp?) she didn't disagree and said that it was an interesting point. Others on here have mentioned improvement with HRT too. That's not a reason to be on it, of course but does point to the fact that hormones have an effect, whether good or bad.
Bette x
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Can't believe this thread is still going strong, however i am still waiting on my appointment with dental hospital, this goes way back months. It's on Wednesday this week, find out if root canal treatment is the way forward for my crown problem.
Eddie. x
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Let us know how you get on ;) - I need to kick-start my next implant check up to see when and how much it will cost! I thought root-canal can be done on the NHS? as it's it not cosmetic but essential?
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My gum bleeding stopped when I started HRT. :)
As for root canal...I am not sure whether we are different here but its def done on the NHS. I have to go back at the ned of the month to complete my root canal. Three more appointments, :(
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Hi CLKD, not sure if you mean me, i should get any work done at dental hospital free, my dentist won't touch my crowns because i have posts that have in place for 30 years? They referred me for a procedure to rid the infection in March, but when i went i was informed it was root treatment i needed and they didn't do it. Argh, makes me mad, it will be nearly a year waiting.
I take it your first implant has settled well?
Eddie. x
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Think it might be different up here. We had to go private years ago, so don't have this problem. But I have friends who have had root treatment under the NHS. There was a Channel 4, here is the link, about treatments. Hope it's ok to post this link.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/articles/dental-treatment-survey
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I am so glad we still have our NHS dentist. Although not everything is covered (you still have to make a contribution) its not as expensive as private.
I hate root canal. My tooth now feels fine although the temporary filling is a little rough and I am dreading setting the whole thing off again when they start messing. :(
Honeyb
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You will need to take quite a few ABs before they have a chance of working.
Good luck and I hope it feels better soon.
Honeyb
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Maybe it is different in other countries LoveyDovey ??? .......... thanks Eddie, my first implant felt like a huge foreign body in the gob for about 2 weeks now I don't notice it unless I feel below par when that and the crowned tooth feel 'full'. Have to decide when to get the 2nd implant done!
You've had to wait such a long time >:(
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Oh so why is my dentist telling me it's a specialist thing (root canal treatment).
He does'nt do it, i did ask, but he says i have to go somewhere else, and it would cost a couple of hundred Loveydovey - the standard cost of treatment for root canal work on the NHS is £204. You won't pay more than that. There is a list here of the prices charged for NHS work. It is not specialist work it is part of normal dentistry. My son has just had a root canal done on the NHS and I have had a couple done too. http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1781.aspx?CategoryID=74&SubCategoryID=74
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You will need to take quite a few ABs before they have a chance of working.
When I've been given ABs by dentist it has been in powder form, 2 doses to be mixed in water. Very strong stuff and messes my gut up big time, but works quickly.
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When do you go to the dentist LD. It sounds as if you need treatment sooner than later.
Honeyb
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There is a homeopathic remedy that was recommended by my dentist.
Its called Hepar Sulph and works really well at calming an abscess.
It might be worth a try if you have to wait a while for an appointment.
Honeyb
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Finally got seen at our local dental hospital, i thought i would get all the work needed done there, but no. They are only interested in whether they can save the root, they will not do root canal treatment, this will have to be done at my own dentist with a cost of upto £395. They will remove the posts (2) examine the cavity with a microscope and re-do the posts if possible, then send me back to my own dentist! This sounds a bit bizarre. But she def said the root is in a bad way and nothing else can be done about it, so she reckons 2 months and hopefully this discomfort will be gone.
Eddie. x
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I'm off to begin implant surgery in April - the 1st one seems successful so hopefully the next one will be OK too. Had a scale and polish this morning :-X
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So pleased that your pain settled. It can make life really miserable :'(. I occassionally get twinges where the bone is healing from the implant and above the crown it feels 'full' sometimes otherwise ............ anyone bite their tongue on a regular basis >:( ???
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Finally got an appointment for 1st step of dental work, this is only to try and remove the crown and post. 9th May for 90 mins, then 23rd May again for 90 mins. Really not looking forward to it, but it's necessary. :-(
Eddie. x
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Well done on making the appointment Eddie. Try to put it to the back of your mind till then though. :hug:
Taz x
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I found that once the needle was in and the worry about any pain gone I could relax a bit ..........
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Feeling sore as I underwent the 1st treatment in a series of 3-4 for another implant today. Am on soft foods, no tea/coffee and pain relief, plus blasted anti-biotics again >:(
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You are a glutton for punishment CLKD.
I hope it all goes ok and you are feeling less sore soon.
Honeyb
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That's similar to what I thought when the area was painful last night ::) no-one is holding a gun to my head, however, if the implant stops me getting gummy as I get older ;)
Sore this morning, no pain and have reluctantly taken the first anti-biotic! and as for the mouth wash :sick02:
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I think that its better than false teeth - just wish I could afford it. There is always something else to pay out for ;D
Taz x
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I've lost 3 teeth over a number of years. Due in part to dentist I had at that time. I have also got 3 lovely crowns from a later dentist who cared. Much as implants would be nice for my gap, they are so expensive. I dread false teeth though! Maybe I could just get one for my most obvious one which is my first molar beside my eye tooth. I never open my mouth when I smile these days as I'm so self conscious! Hubby has lost so many more than me but fortunately still has nice ones at the front. I'm a coward though and my dentist has just changed so don't know what he'll be like. :-\
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I am simply not brave enough (nor rich enough)......but even if I had the money I just could not go through that.
I will no doubt have to suffer the extractions over the years but at the moment except for my crowns I have all my own teeth.
Long may that last.
I really admire anyone who can undergo such a big dental procedure.
I would rather have another baby :o Although when I think about it that is not going to happen now ;D
Honeyb
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I am going this route in order to save my remaining teeth. As it was explained to me 2 years ago that bone needs something to grip onto, to work against in order not to recede so implants do the job of a tooth: at least the titanium rod will do. The 1st one took without lasting problems, now I need to get over these anti-biotics and mouth wash days and once those bits of rope are out ::) which when I look in the mirror as only thin stitches ..........
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I had to stop the anti-biotics yesterday because I was feeling ruff: bloated, couldn't drink without feeling queasy, was unable to eat much ....... I will tell the Dentist that he needs to discuss ABs before the patient is numbed up ;) because I have never been asked whether I take a full course: or not.
Where the needle went in is still painful >:(
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you need to get some different antibiotics then CLKD especially if you still have pain where the needle went in. You don't want to risk a bone infection! I am sure that you do need to take a course of antibiotics after such work
Taz x
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I see the Dentist in the morning
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CLKD, just now catching up on your implant work. Don't know if this helps, but have a close friend undergoing implants with receding bone problems due to osteoporosis medicine and she has been on Cleocin or clindamhcin for six weeks. So I suppose long term ABs is not unusual. I hope you get an AB that agrees and that you feel much better soon.
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WAVE! nice of you to drop by. The ABs are precautionary I think so I should be able to stop them or have something a little lighter on the gut. Will see what the dentist decides in the morning. Be glad to get rid of the stitches though!
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No more ABs required. Sutures out :o :o :o and next appt. is in 3 month's time.
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10 day course was recommended but I can't tolerate Erhtyromycin very well, upsets my gut ::). Have purchased a baby tooth-brush so that I can get around the implant 'rod' and another type for the remainder of my tooffypegs ....... no pain or soreness since Tuesday 8)
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You are a gluten for punishment CLKD. I am still waiting on treatment, two temporary crowns to last until October. two failed attempts at removing old crown posts, each lasting 90 mins. Absolute disaster.
Eddie.x
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I go for another check up next week, the titanium post has given no trouble once the initial ouch it's healing stabs of pain. Is your dentist sympathetic to your problems or is it time to see a Dental Surgeon ?
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My dentist had to refer me to our dental hospital because it's not work that is done in the surgery. Not sure what else i could do?
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So are you already under the care of the hospital [too tired to read back to find out, sorry] .......... if so, maybe a chat with your referring Dentist for further advice?
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Yep, this is why it's taken so long, being referred between hospitals. When one of these temp crowns came out (3 days) after it was fitted i went to see dentist to have it glued back in, he just raised his hands and charged me a tenner for the service. Hopefully either they will last until appt, or things may settle a bit with my mum and i can get a cancellation. Pleased to hear thats you have started your second implant. Eddie. x
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I'm brewing 'something' lower back right >:( ............
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I hope its beer CLKD and not toothache.
Honeyb
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:drunklaf: like this tha means ;D
It didn't keep me awake and I've taken one capsule of pain relief today. Will make an appt for next week for a dentist to have a look-see. I'm using Senosdyne again too from the end of my finger, rubbed over the sensitive areas .........
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I have just had antibiotics for an abcess, right above a temp crown!! So i called dental hospital to see if they would just remove it instead of trying to save it. I was told yeah that's probably where you are headed with it anyway, but we can't do that here!!! Argh, back to my own dentist, so i have appt for Friday to discus it. Will this ever end?
Eddie. x
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Nope - until we evolve without teeth >:(
Seeing a dentist tomorrow to discover what's happening bottom right lower at the back .........
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How's your mouth Eddie?
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Hi CLKD, I'm actually still not finished, i've had three appointments to try to remove this crown post without damaging the root, but all unsuccessful. So next appt in a few weeks time will be for extraction as since July i've constantly had an abscess above the tooth. Two courses of anti'b's and it doesn't go away. >:( >:( >:(
Thanks for asking though, how is your treatment coming along?
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Slowly because we are waiting for the bone to heal. Next appt in 2 week's time but I've forgotten what for ::)
Sorry that you have had continual abscess infections >:(
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The dentist i saw this week said that they have prob made the infection worse with all the tugging etc to try to remove it and they have prob fractured the root causing the infection to grow, and now the only way to guarantee to get rid of the infection will be to lose the tooth.
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Have you had repeated ABs to treat the infections? I found too many of those upset my gut :-\
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Just two lots since July, but each time i got thrush. :( It really is a viscous circle with these things isn't it. Eddie. x
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Ain't it just! Did you eat/apply LIVE yoghurt for the thrush?
My teeth feel as though they are shedding layers all the while, I brush as required and use different brushes through the process to get into the gaps but my tongue is coasking [sp] grit from the gums/teeth all the while - must mention it to dentist at the next appt.
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I would mention that too. Because of my allergies sometimes the skin on my gums and lips sheds. It's not nice when it happens. But it only happens if I use a different toothpaste. Live yoghurt? Yes I eat lots of it but can't face applying it.
Eddie. X
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Where is the tooth Eddie. Are you going to have a bridge or is it not (as my niece would say) in your smile line.
Honeyb
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Oh it's cooling and an excuse to lay on a towel naked doing absolutely nowt ;)
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Knowing my luck I wouldn't get two minutes before the door gets flung open. HoneyB, it is my front left top one. So def in my smile line. Really don't know what to do for the best. There are crowns either side of it, dentist said a bridge would work, but hubby's didn't. It just fell of within a few days!
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I told my dentist how scared I am and since then - 5 years ago - the fear has lessened. It still hurts occasionally but my dentist has done a Psychologiy Degree too so is understanding. I am nearly at the end of treatment for implants :bounce: - the titanium rod is at the factory having a crown fitted, it was the spare rod going back in that hurt badly ....... but is OK now it's in place. Titanium rod and crown due to be fixed permanently next week .......... then in a few weeks I'll have a good clean and polish.
Did your husband have a temporary bridge? Mine did and it was out of his gob within 48 hours nevr to be put back. His permanent fixture is fine! What's happening to your treatment now?
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Does anyone know what the symptoms of tooth access are? I have had sensitivity hot and cold in my tooth for several months. Can't eat ice-cream at all. It has now started throbbing very slightly? My dentist said it was where the gum has receded, but it has on some of my other teeth without any problems? I have tried all the various toothpastes and it is now aching all the time and wonder if it is an abcess. Surely there would be pus and a temperature and dreadful pain if it was?:-X mY Dentist is on holiday until I go to see him at the end of November. He is going to treat it then. Flippin' heck I never had any problems with my teeth and now I have several problems with 3 of them! As it is have to wear a mouth guard for grinding at night, very flattering - but better than dentures. ;D
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I find that continual use of Sensodyne helps - because the gums recede it allows cold air, debris and stuff to get into the gum which can cause infection or sensitivity.
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Thanks I'd been using sensodyne however, been for yet another appointment, and they x-rayed and found a
large hole, so have got to have a root filling. They've put a temp filling in, it was agony when I came out but 2 paracetamol and the pain gone for now! :(
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Glad you were able to get some treatment. Why haven't we evolved without teeth :-\
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It feels worse this morning - excruitiating when drinking tea or eating anything on that side. Going back today, not sure if the temporary filling is touching the nerve? Never had anything like this even in wisdom tooth that came through. I never had many problems with teeth, good job I recently joined den plan.
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:tulips2: let us know how you get on. WE found that a lot of treatment 'covered' by Denplan was in fact, already covered by the NHS ;)
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Thats interesting - I didn't realise that. I did think about going back to the NHS to get it extracted as the private dentist won't do that, but there is a huge waiting list - apparently?! Anyway, i have been and it was awful, because there is an abcess starting and the tooth is being rejected. The dentist drilled it as much as he could but I have to go back after antibiotics to have more 'root canal' work done. Was in tears afterwards, because I have been to the dentist several times as an emergency, and he said it was the root recession.. I wish I had asked him to X-ray it before, so I went in there and said i want him to X-ray all my teeth in case there is anymore decay in any of them. I feel frustrated and annoyed that he missed it and feel like complaining, but can't really whilst he's doing the treatment and trying to get me out of pain. :(
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Has he missed a diagnosis? Maybe with age-related gum recession it allowed bacteria in - but maybe it wouldn't have done so ........ so rather than do un-necessary work? This is something you need to talk with your Dentist about, to get this clear in your mind. Why wouldn't your Private Dentist take out the tooth .......... :-\ dentistry is dentistry - I go to an NHS Practice and some things I pay extra for, i.e. my implants. Clean and polish and yearly check up I get 'free'.
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Its because they try to 'save' the tooth, and yes I think he might've missed a diagnosis, because he should have x-rayed the tooth ages ago.
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Maybe he thought he had done an X-ray? I think you need to talk this through - sometimes professionals need reminding ::) certainly I have a few pointers to tell mine, he is 'practising' a delicate technique on me but he needs to extend his explanations. I must make a list ready to hand him at my next visit ::)
How's the pain today?
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Hi CLKD, Yes, you are right, I will talk to him about this once he has done the treatment. Will have to pick my moment. Perhaps dentists get brain fog too!! X
The pain was bad at lunch-time but took a load of painkillers, that I had left from a previous op, then went to sleep all afternoon! Managed to eat an omelette over on the other side of mouth, just now and taken paracetamol. :) Thanks for all your help. What technique are you having done?
Reading all your posts CLKD, you have been through such a lot with your teeth and implants - I feel like a wuss in comparison! Is it sorted now? ;D
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Implants take a long while and at times IT HURTS :-\ .......... but at least it hasn't been as bad as neuralgia was nor period pains. I have had bad toothache in the past .......... :'( ....... so much so that I rattled with all the Nurofen I took at the time.
I take pain relief immediately I get a twinge anywhere, otherwise I end up feeling nauseated and afraid that the pain will never go. Hopefully you will get your mouth sorted soon!
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You both sound so brave with all you've been through. I would love to have the courage to have implants as I hate my teeth, but am not brave enough and it sounds like it could be expensive, as once you've had some done surely you want them all to look as good?
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I am having implants because I have gaps ......... and bone needs soemthing to anchor to and if a tooth is missing, the gums recede. It is expensive. But at my age I prefer the thought of 12 months anxiety and procedures rather than facing dentures ;)
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Errr.......Think I'd need to be braver than I am for either and will need to put up with my teeth! :o
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Going back to see a different dentist later this morning - in pain again last night, going up to ear. Gone off again this morning. Its nearly 48 hours with the antibiotics, but only got a supply until Sunday, so going to ask to have X-ray of other teeth and get more ab's! Teeth chattering at thought. :( :-X
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Whoops I just deleted my previous post by mistake and can't remember what I was on about! ;)
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Join The Club ;D - how's the pain?
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Its completely gone, I'm relieved to say. The tooth now needs cleaning up and repair. Phew! :) X
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Thank goodness!
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Thanks for all your support CLKD - X
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You're very welcome!
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Tooth feeling ok, since root canal. Round two of the dentist comming up on Monday morning. Next is the bottom tooth that broke in half on the broccoli, last week. Not painful, but filling hanging out a bit! Crown prep will begin. Not as petrified as when I had R C, but nonetheless not totally chuffed at the thought either! :-X
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Brocolli fights back?
What ever are you like with ice-cream ;) ::) I too have another appt., we have to go on Tuesday :-*
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Must admit CLKD, i haven't been able to eat any ice cream, as I was in such pain. Its improved since the root canal. Good luck for you and himself on Tuesday! What have you both got to have done this time? 8)
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I get my new crown to put over the implant and Himself needs a 'small' filling .........
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Phew.....crown prep done, and drilling over for now. It didn't hurt a bit, but drill always makes me shake! Pleased with my temporary crown. Bryan Ferry was on the TV singing during it, so not too bad. ;) Mouth still numb.
Got to go back and have one more canal done in the one that was root filled the other day. :(
Good luck tomorrow CLKD! I hope you are pleased with your new tooth and that himself satisfied with his filling. I was impressed how they do the colour match for the teeth. The dentist had a long row of teeth from white to yellow to hold against my other teeth. Quite interesting, but not something I'd like to do regularly!! :)
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Hi CLKD, Sounds like your implants are a success. I finally had my front tooth removed in November and a temporary plate made up. Absolutely hate it, doesn't fit well at all and can't speak or eat with it in. So in Feb i have my check-up and hopefully start a course of treatment with root canal treatment, two new crowns and then a bridge between them. Eddie. x
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Both implants are settling well, in fact, i can't feel either. The gap between my bottom teeth R give me problems, grub gets caught and sets up inflammation so I have to go in with a lot of pushing and prodding >:( ::)
Must make an appt for a general check up, due end of April :-\
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Was told at my check up that I wasn't cleaning properly :o - smacked wrists, had to see the Hygenist. She told me to do: everything that I was already doing ::) but I am taking more care with the inbetween bits.
DH is undergoing implants soon :-X
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My implants are pricey but the dentist is doing a good job, his team are very supportive and as I am his 'first' patient he is, in effect, practicing on me :o ;) ………… having the implants means that my jaw has something to work against, pretty similar to brisk walking to stave off osteoporosis. If the tooth is present the jaw won't recede therefore I won't lose other teeth!
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This saves me repeating myself ;)
I would have another if necessary.
3 implants @ £1,500 each-ish ……...
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No chance of me affording an implant I'm afraid - it will have to be either false teeth or gaps!
Taz x
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It is cosmetic surgery - though I would argue that if patients are treated with implants, they will need less 'work' anyway! as it saves the teeth becoming loose and dropping out. I think I would prefer to be gummy rather than suffer the embarrassment of dentures ;) ……… I would never remember where they were each morning ;D
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My hubby has a bridge at the bottom and a partial plate on top. Why would anyone have to be gummy or have gaps when both of the options are available. Not quite sure I understand that.
£4500 for teeth. I have spent less on a car. Sorry but that's outrageous. Not many people could even consider that. But the main thing that really puts me off apart from the cost is the fact you need donated bone.....from a cadaver. No thanks....in that instance I really would go gummy.
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;D ……. doesn't bother me as I'm a donor anyway and believe in 'recycling' ;)
For the sake at my age of not losing any more teeth because of gum shrinkage it's money well spent. Also if I spend it on my teeeef, the Government don't gets it :D
Also, lots of people are 'going for implants' particularly younger people. It can be performed under the NHS if there's been an accident, assault etc..
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If I could afford it I would have them definitely.
Taz x
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A lot of people go abroad to have it done Turkey for instace it's much cheaper. I know some who have and are very happy with treatment and results.
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If I could afford it, then yes. I've got 3 crowns which won't last forever. Friend spent £2,000 having hers done, but had terrible anxiety problems. Said never again.
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Oh I would rather have a plate or a bridge. Then again I'm a coward ::)
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I didn't ask about the donor part. As for going abroad :o - all I can say is that the patients were very very lucky because the body can perceive the titanium 'stem' as a foreign body - which is why UK dentists wait a while before fitting the rest of the tooth. In case there is a reaction, rare but there is a possibility.
I had NO anxiety at all. At least not once the dentist had pulled one of the teeth which needed to come out but was in at such an angle the LA ran out :o ;) ……… at 58 I could not face a plate and in order to save the other teeth, opted for implants.
Bone in the jaw line needs teeth in order to 'work' and maintain bone density: i.e. when we chew it activates the jaw line - if there is a gap then the jaw doesn't get the down beat to keep it healthy. Bit like brisk walking exercise for other bones! If the jaw doesn't maintain it's density then gum recedes and teeth fall out :o
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Update on tooth woes.....I didn't realise there was a dental thread! Thanks CLKD... Lots of info and links but haven't had a chance to read it - I don't think I need it now anyway as the dilemma doesn't exist...
Well I narrowly missed having the wrong tooth out on Tuesday!!! So glad I declined the dentists's offer to do it there and then, as it was the wrong tooth!!!!!!
I thought it was one I had had root canal treatment on 10 years ago ( maybe longer) - but couldn't understand why as this one is dead. After the anti-biotics worked I realised it was probably the next one to it causing the problem ( which is mainly filling) and dentist confirmed it yesterday! Slightly worrying that I would have had a gap and having to decide what to do unnecessarily and very expensively probably....
Honeybun I couldn't have had a bridge because the teeth either side are poor (the dentists calls us the heavy metal generation - teeth full of fillings), so it would have been gap (not good structurally), plate or implant. So glad I don't have to think about this now!
Anyway dentist says he can do root canal treatment but I have to have a crown (the one next to it doesn't have a crown as they didn't do them in those days - I wasn't offered one. It's still going to be expensive but at least the canal is on NHS and I am paying slightly more to have a more realistic crown as the tooth is visible.
Hoping it (the tooth) will all last out until January which is next appt (for root canal) - as I can't actually chew on that side now!!! Don't know if infections recur?
Hurdity x
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:o did anyone watch Fake Britain earlier :-X
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Need some support from all the lovely ladies on this thread who have faced and conquered difficulties with teeth. I have severe bone loss and need to lose two teeth lower front. Am going to check on bone graft for implant, otherwise its dentures. Need some positive stories!!
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Hi well I haven't got bone loss but I had to have a tooth out (upper - half way round) in January and the teeth next to it aren't strong enough for a bridge, and the gap is very annoying as food keeps getting stuck (peanuts etc) so I am going for the implant. Also because of the gap I'm eating mostly on the other side which is also putting extra stress on the (not very good) teeth there too! Unfortunately not available on NHS and eye-wateringly expensive but worth it to help preserve the other teeth if I'm going to live for a few years longer. I've only had the preliminary appointment so far but dentist says it's OK for implant which I'm having in July (eek!).
I presume you're not on HRT hence the bone loss? If so, depending on how long since menopause it might be worth asking for a bone scan to check your general bone health too?
I know others have had implants so hopefully they will let you know too!
Hurdity x
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If you already have bone loss in the jaw area which is resulting in lost teeth …… the only person who can advise is your Dental Surgeon who, if he doesn't 'do' implants, must refer you to a Specialist Oral Surgeon who does. It is a step above 'ordinary' dental treatment and not available on the NHS.
My dentist advised that I could have a plate on the NHS or implants. He asked a colleague already qualified as an implant surgeon to have a look-see at my bone density. All was OK so the latter Dentist began treatment (long story short ::)). I have 3. Can't even remember where they are except when I have to do good oral hygiene several times daily. The gums etc. have to be kept healthy so that the implant remains stable. Do not let anyone convince you that this procedure can be 'done in a day'! 'cos it takes 9-12 months for each titanium pin to implant into the bone. Should something go wrong with the procedure [highly unlikely] then it is easier to remove the pin - if a person has the whole process in 1 day and the body rejects any part of the procedure, it is a lot harder and more expensive to take out the whole implant.
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CLKD I'm having my implant done in July and dentist thinks I could have the false tooth around Christmas time so a bit shorter timescale than 9-12 months. However I had to wait 4 months from having tooth out, to have my mouth X-rayed and assessed for whether implant would be advisable.
Hurdity x
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I am having my first assessment in early June - 10 weeks since tooth out, dentist reckons about 9 months in total. I will need bone graft for front teeth though, and will get him to check on that when I go in June.
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I didn't need grafts. Do make sure that he has good knowledge ;)
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