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Menopause Discussion => Personal Experiences => Topic started by: Dr. Heather Currie on January 10, 2007, 09:45:43 PM
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Joint aches commonly occur, often affecting neck, wrists and shoulders, but since other causes such as osteoarthritis are very common at this age, they may not be recognised as being associated with the menopause. As well as the possible effect of lack of estrogen affecting the ligaments around joints, research has also shown that this hormonal lack is involved in the development of osteoarthritis. Limited research has shown that osteoarthritis is more common after the menopause and that use of estrogen after the menopause may reduce the numbers of women developing the disease.
Glucosamine is a naturally occurring sugar that is used in the formation of components of joint cartilage. It can be found in some foods such as shellfish and is available in supplement form. Glucosamine is often used for pain relief in osteoarthritis and other joint disorders. It has been concluded that glucosamine 1500 mg daily is a reasonable choice for treatment of osteoarthritis of the knee, but further information is required on its effect at other sites. It may take up to 1 month for benefits to be apparent. Side effects appear to be mild and infrequent, and include nausea, vomiting, constipation, diarrhoea, dyspepsia, rash, drowsiness, headache and insomnia. There are no known drug interactions between glucosamine and medicines. It should be used with caution if you are allergic to shellfish since some glucosamine products may be derived from shellfish sources.
If you have had joint aches associated with menopause, tell us about them and what you have found helpful.
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Hello Dr Currie,
Now you've opened a can of worms! I could bore for Britain on joint and muscle pains!
For the past twenty years I have had almost continuous joint pains in ankles and hands. Sometimes elbows and knees. Most of the time it has been background pain. Over the years, in the periods when the pain has gotten worse, I have tried various anti-inflamms both chemical and herbal, good old paracetemol and ibuprofen etc but the most effective was twice times when I went to a well-known Dutch homeopath. I always put the pain down to work-induced stress. However, when I 'retired' the pains did not go but have not been so bad.
Since the start of the menopause I have had lots of muscle and joint pains all over - especially in my legs, neck and chest area. More than likely due to high anxiety levels. Again I have trodden the well worn route of anti-inflamms etc when the pain has been bad but also tried arnica cream, lavender baths, aromatherapy, swedish massage, none of which has made a noticeable difference. The only slight relief I get is when I use an aromatherapy muscle rub containing camphor, rosemary, black pepper, eucalyptus and wintergreen! Most of the time I just grimace and bear it!
Bramble
Ps. I am 53, fairly active and not overweight. Been on HRT now for almost 2 years.
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I too, have had to deal with joint aches for a few years now (I am almost 48 and have been in peri-menopause for about 6 years now)
My main area showing discomfort is ankles, neck and elbows but I find that regular exercise helps loosen up the pain and I can manage without any meds (I can not take glucosamine anyway as I am allergic to shellfish, as Dr. Currie pointed out, glucosamine is quite often made from shellfish)
I have upped my calcium/magnesium intake since starting "the great menopause adventure" and that has helped too. I am a non-smoker, a non-drinker, I exercise regularly (circuit training 4 - 5 times a week), I'm only 10 pounds over my ideal weight (either that or I'm too short as Pops likes to tell me!!!) and I still get these joint pains, but a lot less now. I used to wake up and walk like Frankenstein for about 20 minutes until my muscles and joints "woke up".
Thanks for starting these informative threads, Dr. Currie.
Claire in Canada
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Hi Ladies,
I too get the most uncomfortable joint pains. I get this dreadful pain across the back of my scapula's, it is so bad sometimes, (especially when I get up from laying in bed) that it nearly cripples me as I just cannot stand straight for a while. The other pain I get is my hips, especially my left hip, this is becoming so bothersome that it is impeding my walking and is making me limp quite badly. So I have just resorted to what I do when things like this get really bad, I have started to use Natural Progesterone Cream with DHEA in it and will do this for around 2 months. I have only just commenced on it for 2 days now and yet already I can feel the difference it is making, it can work this fast. The reason why I do not use it all of the time is that 1) I am scared that my body will get used to it and I will stop getting benefits from it 2) Although there are no known side effects it is still powerful and should be treated with caution 3) You have to switch sites of application as your tissues can become saturated with this product. 4) each time I have used this cream I have had very good results from it, so want to always have something in reserve for when things get really tough. 5) I also see a reduction in flushes/flashes/sweats.
I have said on another thread that I have also been taking Menocool for around one month, this appeared to have started working and also judging by the excellent info elfie supplied me with on this product, I think this is indeed starting to work. Last night for the first time in around 6 months I only had 2 mild sweats which I was able to deal with and return to sleep immediately. By this time in the morning I have usually had around 6/7/8 flushes and I have only had one very mild one.
My joints although sore are *not* as bad as they were yesterday and certainly not as bad as they were this time last week! I actually got up and walked without limping for a while for the first time in ages.
I have printed out some tables which I am filling in to try and gauge if this menocool is working and I can see a significant difference to when I first went on them.
Let's see if this continues. (fingers crossed)
I agree with Claire these threads written by Dr Currie are really informative and we are really lucky to have a bonafide doctor on board here, as well as all the other wonderful ladies that give their time, their love and support to each other.
lots of Love Pops xxx ;D ;D ;D
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I also thank Dr Currie for starting these threads.. I suffer from Osteo Arthritis, which as got worse gradually over the last 5yrs, the last 3 have been the worse, due to hot sweats, i walk around in winter, dressed for summer, and during the night, find anywhere that is freezing cold, just to cool down quicker, so i can breathe again.
The pain at present is bad in my knee's and elbows, i take gloucosamine 1000mg daily, but the last few weeks on GP's advice, have been taking 3 anti inflammatory tabs daily, the knee pain was so acute, i was off work for 2 wks, back now, but on my feet 8hrs a day, so by the end of my shift the pain is back again, however not so bad now...
Like Pops, i am really pleased to say, and i hope i am not tempting fate, but my hot sweats have not been to bad the last 2 days/nights, for 2wks i have been taking Boron 3mg daily, and for 8 days have taken Starflower oil as recommended by Star, dont know if it is my body starting to wind down, OR a combination of the the tabs, but not going to stop the tabs to find out, this morning i got up and felt better than i have in ages, had i hot sweat and 2 mild flushes, and like Pops this is a drastic reduction, soooo hoping it lasts(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/davanne21/ura1.gif)
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I take 1000mg of Glucosamine daily & find that this helps an awful lot with the joint pains. Muscle pains some days are a real pain ( excuse the pun ). Really bad first thing in the morning but get better as the days goes on. I am like a 90 year old some mornings when I get out of bed & hobbling all over the place.
Sue
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I ache from head to foot sometimes i feel like i am about 90 years of age. It does really get you down though.
I have had swollen joints for 20 years and up to the big M was localised, now i get it in what i call clusters. My finger joints can be swollen at the same time as my knee and ankles and the tips of my fingers can go hard and sore.
It occurs mainly if i have been doing heavy lifting of shopping bags or using large pan's or even cutting with sissors any material that might be a bit tough.
I am not a week person and i am not scared of hard work, but the condition does disable me from time to time. When we had been moving to another area once my wrist swelled and i could not drive for 2 days.
I am being tested and have had x-rays and i am waiting for another attack as the consultant has given me a test kit and said the next real cluster i get, i was to go to the GP and have blood tests right away while the swelling was there.
The only thing is that was about 2 months ago and i haven't had a cluster since. Always the same isn't it girls.
Hotflush
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Hotflush, how utterly typical ::) I don't know what to say really, I can't wish that you will get an attack as I don't want to think of you suffering, but I would wish that you could get some answers to your questions. :-\ :-\ :-\
I can relate to you and Sue when you say you feel like 90 year olds though, I often think this when I am trying to walk in the morning grabbing hold of things for support!
RosieB I bought some Starflower oil caps today on the advice of Starflower and have taken the first one, let's see if they work for me, I hope so. Things have a habit of working for me for a short while then stopping and it is very frustrating, but I don't think it will harm to take them regardless anyway as they are good for joints too. The Menocool I I thought were working then I got sick with flu etc and my natural defense to this is to have sweats and a raised temp these days (didn't use to be though), so didn't know if they had stopped working, or if it was the illness making me hot and flushed. Well I carried on taking it, even though I have now developed gastric disturbance ( I am being polite here ladies ;D ;D ;D LOL) and do not know if this is a bug or a reaction to the menocool. Either way now the illnesses seem to be clearing my system a little (still got infected sinuses though) the flushes do seem to be settling again, so maybe the menocool is working? Confused? yes so am I LOL But I am still going to take the Starflower though. I hope I get the same kind of reaction you got RosieB. ;D ;D ;D
Lots of Love Pops xxx :-* :-* :-*
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Just as an after thought! I have been so used to ignoring my joint pains that now I come to think about it, they have not been so bad these last few months. I always used to take cod liver oil (capsules) but changed about 3 months ago to evening primrose oil (2 capsules at night). Coincidence or not?
Bramble
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Pops, i do understand what you mean. I am wishing an attack, how bad is that? I do get arse ache regular now around the top of the legs around just below the hip bone, i feel sometimes like i have been riding a horse. I thought i was the only one crawling around the place in the morning. You still have your sense of humour though, what a great gal you are.
lol hotflush
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Hotflush, you get what? ROTFL. Well I have heard of some aches and pains on this forum but this is a new one on me LOL
Hope you manage to lose it soon your a/ache that is! LOL
Lots of Love Pops xxx ;D ;D ;D
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Thought you would like that one Pops! Right now i am feeling really achey as i have been climbing rocks and picking mussels off the beach and i am extreemly in pain now.
lol hotflush
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Hi Ladies ;D
Bramble said:
Just as an after thought! I have been so used to ignoring my joint pains that now I come to think about it, they have not been so bad these last few months. I always used to take cod liver oil (capsules) but changed about 3 months ago to evening primrose oil (2 capsules at night). Coincidence or not?
Bramble
No bramble :-* :-* :-* I don't think it is a coincidence, I have heard of many others having good effect from Evening Primrose too and I am really glad you seem to be, anything we can do (within reason) to lessen these symptoms has got to be a good thing. :-* mmm where would you draw the line at getting some relief bramble? Now let's see i don't think I could eat hedgehog crisps!
Hotflush ;D
Now what are you up to, you loony? Do you know I think I had better get my eyes tested pretty quickly I thought you said:
I have been climbing rocks and picking muffins off the beach, not mussels :o
I honestly wondered what the hecky peck muffins were doing on the beach!
Lots of Love Pops xxx :peace: :peace: :peace:
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Oh pops, did i do something as stupid as that, now that is the daftest thing i did last night.
I forgot to tell everyone, my spelling is cra_ at times.
lol hotflush :-X
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Joint aches commonly occur, often affecting neck, wrists and shoulders, but since other causes such as osteoarthritis are very common at this age, they may not be recognised as being associated with the menopause. As well as the possible effect of lack of estrogen affecting the ligaments around joints, research has also shown that this hormonal lack is involved in the development of osteoarthritis. Limited research has shown that osteoarthritis is more common after the menopause and that use of estrogen after the menopause may reduce the numbers of women developing the disease.
Glucosamine is a naturally occurring sugar that is used in the formation of components of joint cartilage. It can be found in some foods such as shellfish and is available in supplement form. Glucosamine is often used for pain relief in osteoarthritis and other joint disorders. It has been concluded that glucosamine 1500 mg daily is a reasonable choice for treatment of osteoarthritis of the knee, but further information is required on its effect at other sites. It may take up to 1 month for benefits to be apparent. Side effects appear to be mild and infrequent, and include nausea, vomiting, constipation, diarrhoea, dyspepsia, rash, drowsiness, headache and insomnia. There are no known drug interactions between glucosamine and medicines. It should be used with caution if you are allergic to shellfish since some glucosamine products may be derived from shellfish sources.
If you have had joint aches associated with menopause, tell us about them and what you have found helpful.
Hi Dr Currie,
I am now approaching 50 and have had really painful aches and pains in my joints over the last five years. I think what you are saying about OA being common for us in this age group also is an issue, because it means for many of us we don't get a definite diagnosis from our GP's, and are just told we should expect these things. For me, it has become very restrictive on my everyday life, it isn't constant, it comes and goes but is generally worse around this time of year. I also have a physical disability, which adds to the complications of getting a diagnosis. My aches and pains are generally in my lower back and hip (on one side), however, also have pains in my wrist on one side and now that elbow also. I also have the joints in one finger that look slightly swollen, interestingly when the my other joints hurt this finger often is red and painful too, one GP told me all my finger joints would become mishapen - another one told me that was rubbish, so not sure who to believe. I have just been advised to take Ibprofane, but I also take paracetomol and on bad days codeine and really worry about the side effects of that as well. This time of year is general the worst, but last year the hottest part of the summer was bad too. I take Glucosamine also, also exercise at the gym regularly, but never know if the exercise is making things worse or better as each week I seem to have one joint or other aching.
I also have had no diagnosis as to whether I am or am not in the menopause, but suspect from other symptoms that I am.
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Ho Hotflush
How are the muffins? I don't like muffins they seem to stick inside my mouth and I cannot swallow them. Pops with a load of muffins stuck inside her mouth is not a pretty site I can tell you LOL ;D ;D ;D
These joint aches and pains are truly terrible. I suffer them across the back of my scapulae and my lower back, my left hip and sometimes in both knees, I also have every weak wrists and find great difficulty hold something as simple as an ice cream for any length of time.
I first noticed a problem with the Achilles Tendon on my right foot. It suddenly got really painful hot red and swollen and I could barely put my foot to the floor, but strangely enough this has now passed and it is the hip and back I have most problems with. Sometimes my knees give and want to send me flying, not a pretty sight! I worry with these aches and pains that it may be something else associated to another condition I have, quite honest;y I would rather they be OA or even the other OA (old Age) LOL Than that! I cannot take Aspirin and I cannot take Ibuprofen as I also have a stomach complaint, so have to rely on paracetamol and the other painkillers I am prescribed for an old spinal injury, but most of the time these do not even touch the pain and I just have to put up with it.
I am hoping that the Starflower caps will help with the joint pains too, when I use the Natural Progesterone cream I do notice a marked decrease in these joint pains though and I know this is not coincidence as it happens each and every time. But I cannot use this all the time as I am scared that it will become ineffective and I will not have a fall back. The Starflower has GLA in it, so here's hoping that it will help.
Lots of Love Pops xxx :peace::peace::peace:
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Not sure if this is appropriate for this thread, but I have RA, and have been able to hold it under control in the past due to Homeopathic medicine, but recently since periods stopped last year for 6 months I have found that my joints seem to be getting sore especially more around the time my periods are due, which as I said before restarted after 6 months, I was becoming worried that the RA was rearing it's ugly head again, but from reading the other posts here it would appear it is all part of symptoms of the menopause, I sometimes feel as though I am more like 90 odds rather than in my early 50's
Love
Tricia :)
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Not sure if this is appropriate for this thread, but I have RA, and have been able to hold it under control in the past due to Homeopathic medicine, but recently since periods stopped last year for 6 months I have found that my joints seem to be getting sore especially more around the time my periods are due, which as I said before restarted after 6 months, I was becoming worried that the RA was rearing it's ugly head again, but from reading the other posts here it would appear it is all part of symptoms of the menopause, I sometimes feel as though I am more like 90 odds rather than in my early 50's
Love
Tricia :)
I sometimes feel like that too Tricia.
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have been on the menopause now for 6yrs , night sweats ,hot flushes , mood swings,lack of peroids (great) well miss one hit one then ...10 months ... ! no got one xmas eve!but my new symptom is arm pain , has been for over 6 months,pain in my upper arms ,so bad sometimes feel like i cant lift things ,then pins and needles in my arms , really tingling,can wake up like that or can just come on through the day, or peeling veg(as you do ) and my hand gets cramps ,sooo ! painfully !
any one else had this ?
just had x rays of upper spine and arms and waiting for results....
not on hrt ,just hoping can do without, but lack of libido ,husband is like GET ON HRT!
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I have O/A Karen, and my joint pain has become worse over the last 6-9mths, pain in my elbows, knee's, fingers, and numbness in my heels?, i do take Diclonfenic and Gloucosamine, although a lot of it maybe to do with my job, & standing 8hrs a day..Do you take any drugs for R/A ?
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Hi Ladies ;D
It is really enlightening just how many of us suffer with joint pains, muscle pains and cramps etc during menopause. Even those of us fortunate enough not to have OsteoArthritis (O/A) or Rheumatoid Arthritis (R/A), seem to suffer varying degrees of this most unpleasant symptom. I really feel for you ladies that have these conditions. For the past few weeks I have been suffering really bad cramps, which refuse to go away for ages, they come mostly at night. I have tried quinine based drinks and I do take a Magnesium supplement, which has helped quite a bit, but once I do get a cramp it refuses to go. I have taken to sleeping with socks on as I find this helps prevent cramps in my feet and toes. But many a time I have just fallen asleep and I am viciously woken up by cramp and I have to get up and walk about for ages before it goes.
I find this is really distressing because I have not been sleeping well anyway and it seems so cruel that when I do eventually fall asleep, cramp wakes me up!
Oh well I have had my moan :bang:
Lots of Love Pops xxx :peace::peace::peace:
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I have O/A Karen, and my joint pain has become worse over the last 6-9mths, pain in my elbows, knee's, fingers, and numbness in my heels?, i do take Diclonfenic and Gloucosamine, although a lot of it maybe to do with my job, & standing 8hrs a day..Do you take any drugs for R/A ?
hi Rosebush,
have not taken any drugs as waiting to see what news the x,ray brings. who diagonosed you with the O/A...
the pain i get is upper arm ,wrist, and now pins and needles in arms and sometimes legs.will be glad to find out what it is..........
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Karen my Gp sent me for Xrays about 7yrs ago and then discovered i had O/A, and 5yrs ago found out i had pernious anemia, so have B12 jabs every couple months, but what is making my joint pain even worse is the hot sweats, i have to get out of bed go to bathroom, and use really cold flannel to cool down, and when on lates i am usually in the gardens at 9pm with my uniform top up over my bra, to cool down, so all the cold gets into my joints, i remember my Gp telling me to keep myself warm and ensure i donot sit in draughts, so its vicious circle, however my sweats are not as frequent now as they were since taking Starflower/Boron tabs.... :'( Hope your Xrays tell you all you need to know.. :-*
Pops have you been to Gp with your cramp problem, its just not fair, to get woken with sweats and then cramps, hope things improve soon, could it be something in your diet maybe..
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I am new to the forum and I have to start with the honest but pretty pathetic news that I've actually been comforted by reading other women's experience of this joint pain and stiffness thing. It's exactly what's happening to me. I've decided to stop thinking I've got some bizarre falling to bits disease.
At 51 I went from zero menopause signs to megadose of symptoms. Periods just stopped after being 100% clockwork and within 6 weeks, one day I got out of bed and thought I'd had some kind of stroke.
Hobbling, had to go down stairs sideways, one step at a time, walking with a limp. Absolute panic until it subsided a bit. Now six months on it's in my hips, lower spine, collar bones, shoulder blades and a knee joined in yesterday when I forgot I was a crippled old bag and decided to RUN (ha ha) across the road. Just made it in a hopping sort of limp before a London bus got me!
Always worst in the morning. Often have to sit on floor to pull socks on etc. Apart from mild night sweats and nightmares, the flashes I get are 'flashbacks' because every now and again, perhaps for just an hour or two, the joint pain goes. I suddenly think "**** it's not there!" and I get a taste of how it used to be when I was not "stuck". With no warning, everything is working again. Then, I make the mistake of not moving for 5 minutes or so and it's back.....
I'm going to try some of the suggestions on this forum and see if they help. Thanks so much for describing what's happening to you. Good luck.
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I have found Glucosamine helps me. My GP suggested trying it took a few months but it makes a difference to me.
I expect this suggestion has been posted before.
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Hi janicemck,
:welcomemm: :foryou:
You said:
I am new to the forum and I have to start with the honest but pretty pathetic news that I've actually been comforted by reading other women's experience of this joint pain and stiffness thing. It's exactly what's happening to me. I've decided to stop thinking I've got some bizarre falling to bits disease.
Well if you think this makes you pathetic then I guess we all are ::) Many of us on here have been stricken with this "Falling To Bits Disease" LOL ;D I had it once too ;)
I went to bed one night feeling relatively okay and awoke the next morning and could hardly walk, someone had come along during the night and dumped every known menopausal symptom on me and then some more besides!
Then I started to have panic attacks brought on by worrying about the incurable illness I knew I had, which all those idiot doctors had missed. The fact that I did not have the illness and the doctors were not idiots could not seem to penetrate. To cut a long story short I got over it and am still here to tell the tale many months later. ::)
By the way I wasn't so lucky with the London bus, one did get me, when I was nine though, still bear the scars to prove it. :o (Try not to argue with them, they nearly always win!)
Hope whatever you try works, have you considered HRT? It is a personal choice of course, I can't because my GP will not allow me too as I have controlled high blood pressure (typical) I think I would have had a go if I could have it though.
Don't forget to let us know how you get on and look forward to reading more of your posts and it's great to have you on board. :)
Rosebush, I am going to mention the cramps to my doc next time I see him, because they are driving me nuts. (Not too far to go then huh? LOL) ;D ;D ;D
Lots of Love Pops xxx :peace::peace::peace:
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Hi ladies :)
I am also suffering quite badly at the moment with aches and pains. I feel as though I am about 87 instead of 47. When I get up in the morning I am like many of you, hobbling around as though I am drunk because my feet and ankles are so sore and so stiff. These last few days it has been like toothache all the way down from my shins and it is driving me mad. On top of that I have pains in my shoulders, my arms feel weak and my back aches when I try and do any sort of housework. What a state to be in! ::) I used to think the damp weather made it worse but now I am not so sure as we have had some lovely days just recently and I am still suffering! I am contemplating starting on the cod liver oil and glucosamine tablets again to see if they help as I know they are supposed to help although I believe you have to be on them a long time before they work and I don't think I have ever given them a fair chance in the past.
The only think that has given me a small amount of relief is to warm my lavender bag and put that on my feet, but then of course, that makes me have a hot flush :steamed: so it doesn't really solve all the problems, if only!
Well that's my story about aches and pains. Oh, and I tried to run after my little girl the other day, the spirit was willing but the legs just couldn't do it, how embarrasing! I won't try that again in a hurry!!
Bye for now
Love Libby
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OK ladies, I'm going for it. Some people may think this is not a good idea but I am now on top dose of glucsowhotsit and mitrochondrin tabs, very expensive methinks but if it works.... PLUS starflower tabs, a load of soya thingies PLUS primrose oil drinkie, two teaspoons twice a day but I will probably end up swigging it. I'm going for the max on a kill or cure basis.
I've also bought one of those expensive mattress toppers and two days in that does feel like luxury.
If all that doesn't work I'll just donate my remains to medical science. Or.... ask the doc about HRT!
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Hi janicemck ;D
Ooops no, please do not do this, at worse you can end up making yourself extremely ill and at best if you do manage to hit on something that works, you will not know what it is and trying to wade through that lot will drive you nutty. I can understand how desperate you feel, we all can, but you end up making yourself feel a lot worse.
Seriously Janice, this is not a good idea, you are very likely to cause yourself some gastric problems. Also briefly looking at what you are taking you could cause a bit of conflict.
The Soya (isolfavones) may help you, if you do not suffer with an under-active thyroid gland, why not try these on their own at first and see how you get on? This contains something called phytoestrogens which could help you with menopause symptoms. Please also bear in mind that you should always adhere to the Recommended Daily Intake and check the labels of whatever it is you are taking to ensure that you are not doubling up on the same thing which could be included in another preparation.
Just because something is deemed an *alternative* or *natural* remedy, does *not* mean that they are harmless! Often these preparations can be toxic if taken in large enough quantities, please be very careful Janice.
Lots of Love Pops xxx :peace::peace::peace:
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Hi Janicemck :),
First of all :welcomemm:
Now I have to say I agree with Pops on this one, being one who prefers what I like to call complementary medicine as I think that they should work together in unison and not be looked upon as alternative ;), if you are trying more than one remedy at a time you will not know which one is helping you if any do and to take in such large doses can cause problems if you are on any other kind of medication, always best to get advice until you know your way around these thing, sorry maybe you already do and if so then I apologise, you see all to often people think because it is herbal or natural or whatever it is safe but some of these things can cause side effects if not used properly, I must learn to keep my mouth shut at times :-X :-X :-X, although before I go ;D ;D ;D, I would not mix Starflower oil with Evening Primrose oil as one could counteract the other if you see what I mean, hurry up some one tell me to shut up I am begining to ramble ;D :-X ;D :-X ;D
Love,
Tricia :peace:
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Just a quick question for Janice about the mattress topper you bought - do you think it was worth the expense because I am considering one to see if it helps with my aches and pains. Do you feel any better in the morning when you wake up and try to get to get out of bed after sleeping on it? I would be interested to know what you think before I fork out for one. Thanks,
Love Libby
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I have just registered with this website and reading all your posts on this thread has literally reduced me to tears as I felt I was reading about myself. I was 52 10 days ago and about 18 months ago i had a bad fall when i was in Libya and broke my leg. Since then I have had pains in my ankle joint on that leg but also pains in my other joints ie other ankle, wrists, base of spine*coxsic*. I put it all down to compensating for my fracture. I get up from sitting, or out of bed and feel as if i should just sit down again and not move then there wouldnt be pain. I am staying in Vienna at the moment but will be home in UK again as I have to see my doctor about high blood pressure but after reading all your wonderful posts I am going to write down all the things you have mentioned and speak to my doctor and see what she suggests. I just feel so much better knowing that I am not on my own and there are lots of others who have the same things wrong and also feel about 90 years old. I am off to read more posts and threads and get to know all of you better.
Thank you
Grace
PS Do any of you get C.R.A.F.T. moments Cant Rember A F....... Thing!!!!
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Yep, I get the the CRAFT bit too. I even forgot I was wearing my shoes yesterday. How dumb is that then? ;D ;D ;D
I can also relate to feeling like a 90 year old too.
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Hi there,
I'm new to this site and am very glad I've found it. Perhaps it will help me to feel less depressed and to find some answers. I'm 57 and have been post-menopausal for 3 years. Apart from the hot flushes and other usual things, the joint pain is the most troublesome. I have constant pains in my elbows and wrists, sometimes also particular finger joints will get very painful for a short period. Sometimes I get pains in my knees and ankles. The elbows are the worst. I was referred to the local hospital where a doctor advised me to wear wrist splints on both arms. Not wanting to look like the bionic woman, I decided to wear one for a few months and then the other similarly. They do help a bit, especially for driving and operating a keyboard, of which I do a great deal. But the pain never really goes for any length of time. I've tried Glucosamine but as I suffer from IBS as well!!! I've found it difficult to tolerate. I'll give it another try. Perhaps Arnica too.
Very good to know that all you others are experiencing something similar and that I'm not just a mad postmenopausal weirdo!
lizzie
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Hi Lizzie :welcomemm:
Welocme to the madhouse ;D ;D ;D hope you like it here everyone is really friendly and helpful
WooHoo there is light at the end of the tunnel ;D ;D ;D great you are post menopausal
I take EPA for my joints and find it really helps it is Omega 3 oils :)
Love,
Tricia :peace:
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Hi Lizzie and a big welcome to the forum, :)
I am sure you will find a lot of support from the ladies on here - they are all great.
I can sympathise with all your aches and pains. With me the worst areas are the ankles, knees, thighs, neck, shoulders, etc. and that's on a good day! Seriously though, I have forgotten what it is like not to be in discomfort and I suppose I have got used to it to a certain extent but I would love to feel a bit more flexible than I do now. I do a wonderful version of the 'monster walk' every morning - it's an amazing sight.
I started taking Cod Liver Oil with Omega 3 last week to see if that helps at all.
Anyway, once again welcome, and we look forward to hearing from you.
Love Libby
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Hi Everyone
Well, I bought a new bed (or rather my OH bought it!), as we had one of those low down Ikea ones. I now need a step ladder to get into the new one (I'm only 5'2"), but it is heaven! I also bought a mattress topper, and it is lovely. I still get the occasional aches in bed, but nothing like I did. When I first get up, I do plod round like a baby elephant, as my joints have seized up, and going downstairs, it sounds like someone is unfastening velcro in my knees!! ;D
I can't kneel down without needing to hold on something to ease myself up again. I've started starflower oil capsules along with my menopace, and I do feel generally better.
Angel :)
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This is good to hear, I am going to translate the Starflower Oil and see if I can find a herbal shop in Vienna as I wont be back in UK until the 27th and the way I feel at the moment I will be pushing the plane back to Manchester to get it there quicker so I can get to the shops as I am just soooooooooooooooooooo fed up feeling like this all the time and the latest thing I dont know if any of you have experiences is not wanting to go outside the house. Maybe this is to do with the pain I have got in my legs and hips which seems to meet at my coxic which is pure agony/
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Hi grace :)
I have gone through a period of not wanting to go out as home felt safe, I would think to myself yes I will go out tomorrow and come tomorrow I would back out or find myself becoming more nervy as the time came to go out, sometimes I would actually cancel an appointment if I had one just so that I didn't have to go out, but then I thought about all the things I was missing out on and that desire to rejoin the living was stronger that the desire to just sit and look out the window at life going by, although I suppose if you are in pain yes it would make you want to stay at home as I can imagine that trying to work through the pain can be difficult at time, I suffer from RA (rheumatoid arthritis) and when it was really bad thinking back now yes I would not want to be bothered with going out, now that it is at bay apart from slight pain in my joints and spine I work my way through it, I do hope you get some pain relief soon as it can be so debilitating :foryou: :hug:
Love,
Tricia :sunny:
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So this is normal then! That's a relief. I spent three years becoming increasingly disabled by pain in muscles and joints. GP was not particularly interested, but between the GP, three physios, two consultants and a massage therapist they came up with seven diagnoses before the GP said - It's the menopause.
Frankly I was sceptical but now I can see that she may be right. Anyway, once she had said that she had another excuse for pushing HRT at me!
Now I take two rhus tox 30 homeopathic tablets (from Boots) every hour for a couple of days and that seems to knock it on the head for weeks. This was recommended by my homeopath.
May not do you any good ladies, but it won't do you any harm so could be worth a try.
Dolly xx
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I have always prided myself that I got a hold on my Rheumatoid Arthritis, I spent thousands of pounds many years ago having my fillings changed as I was allergic to the metal fillings, also with various remedies I had built up a very good rapor with my homeopath for a few years now I have not even had to go and see her as I was pain free, but today knocked me for six, I am so sore, this is the first today I have been able to use my hands, the pain goes from my neck down my arms and my hands, I got a taxi to go to the shops today and I even had to get the taxi driver to fasten my seat belt, I couldn't even grip it I have nausea with the pain, to be honest I got to the point earlier on that I bit the bullet and took painkillers as I couldn't stand it any longer, my reflexologist told me to just go home and go to bed as my results from her treatment showed that my hormones were going doo lally, I haven't felt this bad for years and it is hitting me like a sledgehammer, hot flushes seem to in full swing now also, I really felt today as though I was going back to square one again, today is the first day I can honestly say I felt totally useless I could hardly lift a cup of tea this morning using both hands to try to lift it up, gave up on eating as I just felt sick, I got my life back after developing the RA with the help of homeopathy and today I just felt that I can't have this, I had started living a full life again no sticks to walk able to put my clothes on without getting someone to help me, today I couldn't put my socks on as went to my reflexologist with no socks on and got her to put them on for me after she was finished, I am thankfull that I live in a small town and nearly everyone knows me, therefore the taxi driver helped me without asking why, although he did mention that he had never seen me so much in pain for a long long time, I am sorry for rambling ladies but I just feel so c*** today and sincerely hope that tomorrow this is gone, I was meant to go out with a friend tomorrow as she is having a day off work and if I am like this it won't be much fun at all, thanks for listening, it does help to know that you are all here, although I feel having typed this I am complete moan I hope you will bear with me, I just needed to get it out.
Love,
Tricia :-*
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Hi Dolly,
I just read your post there and see you take rhus tox, I take it you find it really good for the pain as I really don't want to go back to using painkillers when I haven't used them for years, I will get some tomorrow and give them a go, thanks for posting about them :)
Love,
Tricia :-*
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Oh Tricia, I do feel for you, you poor thing being in such pain like that. You musn't apologise for coming on and telling us how you feel, I just wish there was something I could say that would make you better but I know there isn't. I know what it is like to be in pain but thankfully I don't suffer like you are suffering today. I really, really hope you feel a bit better tomorrow - it would still be nice if you could see your friend, it often helps. Could she not come to see you rather than going out? At least you would have the company, just a thought.
Take care and I am thinking of you,
Lots of Love
Libby
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Have a hug
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Thanks Libby,
I did give my friend a call and she is going to come to my place and take it from there as it would be shame to miss out on her company as she is such a good friend.
Love,
Tricia :-*
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Dear Tricia, I am so sad to read of what you have been through today, I have never heard you so down, I wish I could give you a big hug but fear it might give you more pain so this is the best I can do from down here on the south coast with you up in Scotland,
:hug: :hug: :hug:
I really hope your pain is better in the morning my lovely & I hope you get a good nights sleep & rest, sorry I hadn't read your post earlier before I sent you my PM.
Take care of yourself & lets hope you feel better tomorrow & your friend comes round & you have a bit of fun.
Love Cazikins (& dont forget the E) XXX
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Hi Tricia :)
Hope you have a lovely day with your friend - I think spending the day with a good friend is the best medicine there is. Have fun.
Love Libby
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Hi Tricia
Sorry to hear you are having these problems. Please don't think you are moaning you're just saying how you feel. And if you tell people how you feel who knows maybe someone will come up with an answer for you.
Hope you enjoy your day with your friend and that you feel better real soon. Take care. :hug:
Chris :)
PS I was just wondering if you had changed your diet at all, could something you have eaten or drunk set it off?
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Thanks everyone for you support yesterday it think it must have been the lowest day for pain so far, still a bit sore today, but yes my friend came round and we played some music and just chilled which was lovely, it was nice just to chill for the day, I also got in touch with my homeopath whom I have not seen for about 3 years because I have been in good health and she is sending me a remedy for the pain and also something for the hot flushes, I will be watching the post like a hawk ;D ;D ;D
I just want to say it is wonderful to have this forum where you can come and just say how you feel and know that everyone will be there for you.
Love,
Tricia :-*
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Hi Tricia
I am so glad you had a lovely day with your friend today and hope you are not in as much pain today. Good luck with the remedy that your homeopath is sending you - let's hope it gives you some relief.
Take care and look after yourself,
Love from Libby
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Hi everyone, Tricia, i don't come on this bit very often and now i have read your messages i feel guily that i wasn't there for you like everyone else was. I am sorry for all you have been through. Will make sure i come on this one now. x
I was diagnosed a few weeks ago with Osteoathirtis so now i have the name to my pain. It is just that my lower back has been really bad at times and i think it is due to the sciatica i have had for the last month and half.
love hotflush :-\
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Hi Hotflush :)
Don't worry yourself and there is no need to apologise, it was a rubbishy couple of days as I had not been in pain like that for such a long time, but thankfully homeopathic remedy had kicked in and I only have a few niggles just now I am sure it disappear in no time.
I am so sorry you have developed OsteoArthritis it can be so painfull, I hope you manage to get something for the pain soon you poor thing :-*
Love,
Tricia :-*
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Thanks to Libby for her nice welcome. It certainly has helped me to know that I'm not alone with these horrible joint pains. I haven't been able to get to the site for a while, because of work. One question I have is about pilates. I've been doing this exercise for about 3 years now and have generally found it very helpful for the back pain I used to suffer from, but which is now not a problem. However, recently I have the strong impression that it's exacerbating my joint pains, particularly my wrists and elbows and I'm wondering whether I should give it up and go back to swimming instead. Any thoughts would be welcome.
Lizzie
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Lizzie I can thoroughly recommend swimming and if you have a jacuzzi jump in that as i find the warm water pressure on my leg i broke is very beneficial. Swimming is so good because there is no pressure on the joints. Enjoy :-*
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HI
I have in the past used manuka honey which I found extremely beneficial rather than glucosamine. It tastes much better and I used a teaspoon a day (neat or on toast). Much better than loads of tabs or liquid. :-X This is expecially so if we are taking other tabs or liquid for other effects of menopause.
peaheather
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Dear Ladies, Hi there,
this is my first post on here and joint pain is the main reason i registered with this site.I am a fit 44yr old with 2 teenagers.I had a total hysterectomy 8wks ago, before that i had 6mths of stomach implants to stop my hormones.7wks ago i started on oestrogen only hrt 2mg and for the last 4-5wks have had constant joint aches and pains that more than once i considered going to the doc with( i strongly dislike bothering the doc).It was affecting my walking when it was my legs & knees.My shoulder would ceaze up and elbows would ache like no man's business.My wrists hurt so bad i had no power in my hands and the final straw was when my fingers went numb.I was lying in bed fretting last sat night when it came to me that maybe it was the hrt.So i stopped taking it and within 2 days i was fine once more.I've had problems on and off with my joints in the past so that is why it took me so long to think of the hrt.Everything i've read on this site so far has been saying the complete opposite of what i have experienced! I'm not saying it is the hrt i have no idea, but tomorrow i am going to start taking it again to see if the pains come back.I have the doc to see on mon so i will let you know what she says.Or if the pains come back before then! i just don't understand it is there anyone can relate to this :-\.
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Hi di
I am not on HRT so can't blame that on my joint pains, but I am taking the mini pill.My joint pains are very similar to yours so I wonder if there's a connection, I have been having these pains for about five years on and off. Lately my wrists have been playing up, picking up anything heavy with my left hand is impossible, and I have woken up recently with numb fingers. Maybe I need a trip back to the doctors.
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Hi tanny,
it was nice to hear your thoughts on the matter. Well after posting that on thurs night my shoulder started playing up.It got so painful(again) that i never got 3 hrs sleep all night.( so now i know it's not the hrt.)I ended up asking to see the doc(yes that's how worn down i felt) she said because i'd had joint pain in the past that the meno had intensified the joint pain. so she has taken me off the artificial eostregen and put me on the natural made one to see if that helps. I am so ignorant of all this stuff i never knew what caused the pain. The only thing i knew related to meno was sweats. I feel so glad today because i have had a pain free afternoon, the ache is there but at least i can function! I have never ever heard of anyone being delapitated by joint pain because of the menopause in my life, this is all news to me.I even asked the doc to clarify if i was in the meno and she said very much so , it's been like you have been pushed off the end of a cliff. di xx
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Hi all
Have just started to get these painful joints. Mainly in right hand, right knee and neck. I work at a shop, and bending and kneeling alot does not help. But I am find if I keep my knee still for awhile( like on my days off) it gets worse, that might be just my thinking.
Thats all I seem to be able to say on this.
Sue
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Hi Sue
I find the same with my knee pains - keeping still is worse. I find the best thing for me is to keep on the move for a while, rest for a while then keep moving again. I'm taking glaucosamine and find its really helped with the knee pain although not with other joints as yet. Ibuprofen also helps, I don't like taking painkillers if I can help it but sometimes they are a godsend
Hope this is of some use
Sharon A
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Hi i a a newbie, i suffer with fibremyalga,[ sp ] and have horrible neck shoulder and head pain when i have a flair up,it is sooooo easy to sit and mope about which in my case actually makes the pain 10 times worse,so i push myself to go swimming and find it realy helps, could anyone suggest any homeopathic remedies which may help as i also have IBS and acid reflux so will not take strong painkillers or anti-immflammitries, :)
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I have a knee injury from years ago, that after an operation (also years ago) has now turned into Athritis. Since starting the menopause I find it has become more painful.
A friend suggested Glucosamine and WOW! what a difference . If I forget it for a couple of days my knee soon reminds me.
I have never found anything this effective ever and I have taken cod liver oil tablets for years.
So girls try it and see if it works for you . ;)
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I can definately second that - I've been taking liquid glucausomine for about 3mths now & it really helps with knee stiffness & pain. If I forget to take it for a couple of days my knee starts playing up too, so I'm getting into the habit of setting the kitchen timer so I don't forget it! :D
I just wish it would help other joints but it seems to make a beeline for the knees! :-\ I've given some to my elderly neighbour to try who has suffered for years with joint pains - I really hope it helps her as she's a very sprightly 80yr old :)
Cheers
Sharon A
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Just wondered what dosage of Glucosamine you are taking, its not making a lot of difference to me at the moment, but have only been back on it for a few weeks.
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Well I bought the tablets from the UK and not knowing any difference bought the 1000mg ones. Works a treat for me.
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WELL I am so glad I read through the last 5 pages :'(
I am sooooo not alone!
I am aged 49, with mega hot flush probs hence my user name LOL, but a more serious problem is my joint pain......little finger left hand is so painful feels like it should be swelled 10 times normal, but it probably only slightly swollen if I'm honest?
Painful knees and ankles when I get out of bed and rising from my desk at work (I should explain I am a healthy weight (could lose a bit but not happening), no real health weight issues other than the dreaded BIG M !)
Pains in upper and loer spine also, wrists (severe and accompanied by electric shocks/pins and needles etc
Is this it now...will I feel like an old woman every time I get up ? :'(
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Oh, me too! I'm 49, fairly fit though overweight, certainly loads fitter than I was a few years back. Definitely meno now, with lovely hot flushes. As for my joints, I loosen up after I've been moving for a few minutes and then am fairly OK apart from my knees, which still twinge during the day when I'm going up or down stairs. When I'm 'relaxing' in the evenings I find it hard to get a comfy position, and sleep was a problem till I started on 10 mg amitryptyline. I'm taking glucosamine (when I remember!) and I go to the gym twice a week, both of which help - but I still move like I'm 90 when I first get out of the bed/chair!
Oh well, it amuses the children....
love
Cath
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I know what you mean Cath, I get out of bed and feel like I am ancient and then start to loosen up a bit as time goes on, I do find that sometimes my knees are a bit stiff and I have to go down stairs one at a time, but nothing too bad.
I started taking EPA fish oils many years ago and do know that if I miss them I soon feel it in my joints, as I have RA I have found that the fish oils really help.
Love,
Triciaxx :peace:
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Hi All
I can heartily recommend LIQUID Glaucosamine 1500mg - absorbs far faster than tablet form, tastes much nicer (orange or lemon) & definately works for the knees!! Makes up into about 1/2 glass of drink. :P
I've been taking it for approx 3 - 4 months now & was very sceptical at first but it does work very well. Takes approx 2-3 months to notice a difference (TAKE IT EVERYDAY!!! - make it part of routine such as having it whilst preparing dinner). Now if I miss a day or two I can tell I haven't had it.
Also had been managing on Ibuprofen & paracetamol for pain relief but GP has prescrbed diclofenac & its far more effective - I don't like taking pills etc but its improved movement etc & therefore quality of life. I'm hoping this is just going to be temp. as I start physio on Tuesday for neck/shoulders - hope it helps. :)
Also taking Omega 3 & Starflower oil - but don't know if these are helping or not. Acupuncture helped a bit with pain but its time-consuming to have done, & the effects wear off after a day or two.
Am interested in anything else that works for joint pains - only get night sweats occasionally so can cope with those.
Cheers
Sharon A
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I might give the liquid glucosamine a try. I have been taking the tablets for quite a few months now (500mg) and they have helped but maybe the liquid will give better results. Is it expensive?
Libby
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Anybody get a lot of problems with MUSCLES? The muscles in my arms and legs feel very weak all the time and very simple things make them ache as if I've done an hours work out. My top arms ache all the time and my leg muscles ache almost as soon as I start walking. Walking for 20 minutes makes me weak and sweaty. I've been on hrt for three weeks. I'm hoping this will help (as it has def helped with hot flushes). I'm going to have to force myself to start swimming again and go back to walking to work - its a viscious circle really - the more weak my muscles feel the less exercise I do, but the less exercise I do the worse I feel.
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Hi Marymouse :)
Yes I can relate to what you are saying. The tops of my arms ache like mad if I do things like changing beds, folding bedding, that sort of thing. My legs ache if I walk up any kind of hill. Unfortunately our house is on a hill and when I walk up after taking my daughter to school in the morning my legs ache like mad and I sometimes feel like I am not going to make it to the house. We have just had a week off so it was worse this morning. I tend to be ok walking on the flat - I can just about cope with that. Not sure what causes this but I also experience periods of weakness without any obvious reason. I can assure you that you are not on your own feeling like this - not sure if that helps at all. :-\
Take care anyway,
Love Libby
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Thanks for that Libby - are you hoping the hrt will help with this? It's very reassuring to know its not just me!!
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Marymouse :)
I actually stopped taking my HRT nearly 2 weeks ago. It was giving me terrible cramps in my legs and they were aching all the time and nearly drove me mad. I spoke to my GP and she said it was almost certainly a side-effect of the HRT and I couldn't stand it any longer. I am not totally convinced I made the right decision although my legs are almost back to normal now which is something I suppose.
One of the GP's I spoke to about HRT did say it should help with general aches and pains so let's hope it does for you.
Libby
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What a pity Libby - the hrt seemed to be working so well at the start. There are lots of different kinds - perhaps, if you wanted to, you could try a different type. I've been taking one called Nuvelle for three weeks. They have stopped the flushes and night sweats and my sex drive has whooshed back, but energy levels still very low (so I have the desire but not always the energy!) and I still have muscle fatigue. Still, early days I suppose. I havent got to the bleed bit yet, so fingers crossed!
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Hello my lovely ladies :)
I can relate to muscle pain, the muscles at the top of my arms ache like mad just now and have been for some time, the pain seems to be going down my arms and my elbows and hands are quite sore, it is so annoying at times.
I don't take HRT as you will probably know therefore I don't know if it would help or not as I am trying not to go down that route, I have been taking EPA fish oils as they always seemed to help but I am wondering if perhaps I need to think of something else now that I am going through the menopause.
I am going to see my Reflexologist on Wednesday and she is going to do a test to see which of my vitamins etc., are actually working for me and which are not and whether I need to up the doses of them or just stop some them altogether, I 'll let you know how I get on and what she says, I am so looking forward to going back to see her as I was so knackered during the exams that I had to put her on hold until they were finished.
Love,
Triciaxxx :peace:
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Hi Marymouse :)
Yes it is a pity that I stopped the HRT as it had helped me a lot. The week that I had the 'bleed' was horrendous though - it wiped me out for days and I am not used to that anymore.
I may go back to see my GP next week and talk about trying another one. She said that once I got to June/July which will be 12 months since I had a period, I may be able to take one of the ones that doesn't give you a bleed so that may be better. I am still thinking about it.
Libby
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Just over a week till my "bleed" (how horrible does that sound?!). Fingers crossed!!
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Just had an extroadinary week of no joint pain, it was like a switch turning off a light. The previous few weeks had been awful with increasing neck and shoulder pain, and must admit I had been upping the painkillers to get through the day. Then last week it just went, however, what I did have though was period type pains all week, but with no period. Went to the docs who did an examination and couldn't find anything wrong, just said I was most probably going to have a period, but if the pains continued to go back. Wondered if anyone else had experienced this. For me, the joint pains are the most debilitating part of it all, as they really stop me doing things.
Am taking the Glucomasine, but to be honest am not noticing the difference, read on an earlier posting someone mentioned about Glucomasine and IBS, I have IBS also, which has been giving me problems of late and hadn't realised it might be a problem.
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Tanny, that's interesting what you say about the Glucosamine and IBS. ::) I have IBS and I was taking it up until a few weeks ago and decided to stop because I think it was upsetting my stomach too. Now I come to think about it, things have settled in that department since I stopped the Glucosamine. I can't honestly say it was making a great deal of difference to my joints either.
Libby
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Hi All,
I have only just found this site and at last I have found there are women out there who seem to be having the same symtoms as myself !!! I am a 51 year old and had a hysterectomy in my mid 30's.
I find I can cope with the hot flushes etc. but the terrible stiffness and pain I have (especially in my fingers, back of the ankle and down my arms and legs) can be agony. I also wake in the morning and walk bent over and limp until my joints start to loosen. When I have asked my friends who all say they suffer with hot flushes, not one of them have the joint and muscle stiffness that I am experiencing. I went along to the doctor who tested me for Rhuematoid Arthritis which came back negative (thank goodness !) and although she was not happy about putting me on HRT due to my mother having had a masectomy (breast cancer) I persuaded her to let me try it. Having got the HRT patches yesterday I have been reading the leaflet in the box and the side effects read like a horror story and I am not sure I have made the right decision. I can't tell you how relieved I am though to hear other womens stories and how they are dealing with it, I was beginning to feel I was the only one experiencing such intense stiffness and aches. This is a great site, and its good to know I am not alone with my symptoms !
Pink Lady
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Dear Pink Lady,
Just to say :welcomemm:. I have experienced mild stiffness in my back on waking which thankfully goes after about half an hour of being up and about. I found my feather bed purchased from QVC helped a good deal but after the heat of the past two weeks OH complained and took it off the bed. Now that we have had a wet and wild week I'm thinking of sneaking it back on at the weekend as I've been so cold.
There will probably be a few of the other ladies around later who are taking HRT and finding that it has been a great help with their symptoms. There's lots of info on different subjects which is really useful and helps you to understand that there are others in the same boat as ourselves.
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:)Hi everyone, i've just spent an hour reading all your stories and it really was time so well spent. Wish i could wave a magic wand for all of us! I have had back and hip aches for yeeears and doc told me 'just have to live with it'!! i guess we've all heard those words at sometime. well now i'm 6 months off the big 50 and the aches have spread everywhere, arms, wrists, hands, legs it's like having perpetual flu, oh and i forgot the headache. It seems to come in episodes, if i'm really tired and can't wake up then i know i'm going to have a bad time, i'm still in bed right now cos i just couldn't wake up this morning. I had a MEA procedure 18 months ago (basically they microwave the lining off the womb) which has had bril results, no periods at all! not sure but maybe it triggered these symptoms further. I'm intrigued by the magnetic therapy so i'm off to the herbalist this afternoon to see what they've got. will let you know how it goes, :)keep smiling everyone
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Hi Daisy & :welcomemm:, glad you have found us. I can sympathise with the joint aches, (I am 50 in 4 weeks time). Mine started about a year ago & I really did not assosiate it with the menopause until I found this forum, people just use to say its old age when I moaned >:( >:(. My own personal experience was that the aches & pains got worse before they got better - sorry, but I am only talking about 8 - 9 months oh sorry again... I have taken Femal since December last year & HRT for the last 5 weeks but to be honest & thinking it through the Femal must have helped with the aches as they stopped before I started taking HRT.
Hope you managed to get out of your jim jams & pop down to the herbalist this afternoon to get a magnet, do let us know how you get on.
Cazikins
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Hello Daisy,
Just like to say :welcomemm: and I hope you have had an informative trip to the herbalist. It's awful when aches and pains start to appear as you end up feeling as though you're starting to imagine things. I bought a magnet recently and only used it for 11 hours. I have high blood pressure and my reading went up and I wasn't sure if the magnet had been responsible or just the fact that I had a cold at the time. I emailed the company that I bought it from and was very disappointed that they hadn't the manners to answer my question. I've been afraid to use it since and feel as though I've wasted my money.
I think everyone is affected differently at this time and what works for one person may not suit another. Good luck anyway and keep logging on to this very useful site.
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Hi i have osteoarthitis in my Knee i take chondrotin for it,i find this very helpfull indeed,its really worth a try :)
Marie
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As you know ladies I have been suffering these past few weeks with pain in my arms and hands due to RA, well last Friday I decided to try "whatdoyoumacallit", blank mind for a minute hang on need to look back some posts and see if I can find the word ;D ;D ;D that's it Glucosamine Sulphate, sheesh if I had half a brain cell I'd be dangerous ;D ;D ;D, I really do think it is starting to work I am still taking my fish oils EPA therefore I am wondering if both together are helping, as you can see I have been able to get back to posting which is great :peace: I did try Glucosamine some years ago when I first developed RA but it did nothing for me at the time, but maybe with the fish oils it is working better, who knows but lets just hope it keeps working.
Love,
Triciaxxx :peace:
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HI Tricia - its great that you think Glucosamine may be helping you - you have sounded so down with your pain recently. I just wanted to say I take it - with Chondoitrin - in a liquid form( flavoured) and it is really helping me. I notice it if I do not rmember to take it for a day or two. Lets hope it keeps on helping. love Sue
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Hi All :D
I've been suffering with joint pains (seems to be all over-must have joints that have been dormant for 50-odd years!!!) for almost a year now. Mine is a combination of meno & a bad fall which really knocked me for six. :(
Can heartily agree about glucosaumine - really helps with knee pains but not so sure about other joints.
Anyway, Dr Chris on This Morning has raved about a product called LITOZIN which is derived from Rosehips (don't confuse it with normal rosehip supplements, Litozin is made from a product within the rosehip). Apparently its been proved to really help with joint pains especially Osteo & Rheum Arthritis & has been on sale in Europe for about 10yrs - we've finally got it in the UK (why are we so far behind all other countries when it comes to getting medical help???) :-\
Its on sale in Boots & Superdrug & is in capsule form but you can break them open & sprinkle contents on food. I've just started taking it but it takes a while for body to absorb & apparently you notice the difference in a few months (DAMN!!).
You take 6 caps a day for 3-5 weeks then a maintenance dose of 4 caps a day - its pretty pricey at £19.99 for 120 caps but if it works then what price pain relief, also as its natural it doesn't interact with other medication - but check with pharmacist etc about this if anyone is going to try it. I'll let you know how good it is (or not!!) :)
Have also started having private physio for the neck/shoulder pain & immobility - referred to NHS physio but had to wait 7 weeks for first appt (Dec 2006!!) then had another 5 week wait for next & only allowed 3 sessions spread over a month. Needless to say didn't do much good & had to go back to GP to be referred back to physio again - another long wait & again only allowed 3 sessions.
BUT - NHS physio went on hol for 2 of these sessions & a private physio covered - what a difference!! After just 1 session there was a definate improvement (he works on Squaddies & really gets things moving!!), so have gone private with him - this is my 2nd week & I can turn my head with no problems, 70% of pain has disappeared - he's going to start really working on my poor shoulder next week. Apparently this is going to be a big job & be really painful :'( due in main to the lack of physio from NHS in the first place which has made the joint lock up - I'm now stocking up on Kleenex & will only wear waterproof mascara for the next few visits! Ah Well - no pain, no gain.
Anyone who is suffering with joint pains even though it may be due to meno should take a look at a free booklet from the Arthritis Research Council detailing exercises to keep joints moving - some of them really help. The drawings seem to show elderly people but who cares!! A friend of mine who is in her early thirties with a young child does them as she has a painful knee & they help her. :)
Must go now as I feel as though I'm writing a novel!!!
Cheers everyone
Sharon A
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When I got my calcium tablets the other day, the chemist was extolling the virtues of a supplement for joint aches and pains called Celadrin. Don't know how new it is. Seems to be a mixture of oils.
Not selling/promoting anything, just thought it worth a mention.
Sleepless
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I've no idea whether this is just a coincidence but I recently increased my intake of Glucosamine from 1000 mg to 1500 mg and have noticed a real improvement in joint and muscle stiffness. These therapies, like drugs, are not random - the dosage really has to be right to get the desired effect. I had taken 1000 mg for months with little difference until now. Luckily I seem able to tolerate Glucosamine without ill effects. :)
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This site is a god-send. I'll be 51 yrs old in a few months and have been suffering from joint & muscle pain for about 2 years. At first I thought it was due to age, but it just kept getting worse as months went by. Dr. took x-rays of my hand, but they came back showing everything looked ok. One blood test showed I may have Lupus. I'm going to a rheumatologist in a few weeks, but I doubt that I have that illness (I don't have the butterfly marking on my face or any other visual symptom). I think all these ache are due to onset of menopause. I'm very achey all day, but it's absolutely horrible when I lay down to sleep. My left hand (especially my baby finger) aches like crazy. My lower back, left & right hip, the whole leg throbs all night long. The throbbing seems to travel down my leg. My feet feel like they held up 300 lbs all day long. (I'm only 139 lbs.) No amount of massaging seems to help. My calves cramp up something fierce. I have taken glucosamine in the past (but not long enough to see if it works because I hate the taste of it). I've started taking Calcium pills. Sometimes Tylenol for Arthritis helps, but very minimally. My doctor (a male of course) told me that women go through menopausal symptoms as their mother did. Well, I do have horrible flooding for 1 1/2 days, periods last 7 days instead of my usual 3 days and for the past few months I have had spotting off and on about a week period my period is due. My mother was the same. I have also been on a milder birth control pill for a year now. I refuse to stop taking the pill for fear of having worse and longer periods. At least on the pill I know when I am due. I try to do very light arobics and go for 20 min. fast paced walks or at least on the treadmill. Helps a bit, but I really have to force myself to try to move my legs. Wish me luck at the rheumatologist. Hope it's nothing too serious.
Jazzy
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HI Jazzy
Good luck with your rheumatology appointment. I have lupus and have terrible stiffness in my joints and general aches and pains. Funnily enough I am just in the process of having all my blood tests done again to see what state my lupus is at (I was diagnosed about 12 years ago - I am nearly 48) as one GP that I saw felt that I may be having a flare-up and this may be causing the bad pains that I have been experiencing lately. I don't have the butterly marking or visual symptoms either).
I can sympathise with you as I have similar pains to you, especially the leg cramps, I have had these for ages.
Let us know how you get on with your appointment - I am interested to know what your rheumatologist says.
Take care
best wishes
Libby
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I used to get 'hobbly ankles' in the mornings, anyone who gets it will know what I mean. More or less stopped now I take a good multi vitamin/mineral every day. A colleague had the same thing and swears by cod liver oil capsules.
A general mild lack of mobility though I swim 3 times a week about a mile in total. So just age maybe. Can't sit cross legged for hours or curled up on the sofa any more, if I do I can't stand up afterwards!
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Thanks for responding Libby and SevenofNine. I will definitely keep you posted as to what the rheumatologist says.
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I'm taking glucosamine and Cod Liver oil for my arthritis which has flared up more over the past few months. I find it helped before my periods went but I'm not as sure now.
Sometimes the pain is so bad, I cannot write/type and I'm studying. :P
I do have a brace which I wear and that helps to relieve the pain a little. I also have found magnets useful.
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I saw my rheumatologist a few days ago and she basically ruled out Lupus. I went for more blood tests and x-rays of both hips. She believes I may suffer from Fibromyalgia or hypothyroid or perhaps hormonal changes are causing the muscle, fiber and joint pain. I wonder how long it will take to actually find something conclusive. I've taken the Ultra Strength 400mg Motrin and it actually reduced the pain somewhat.
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I just ache all over. Some days more than others.
My hands have a feeling of wearing light gloves all the time with little strength.
My hips and feet are the worse, with neck shoulders and knees also aching.
What a state. ;D
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I just ache all over. Some days more than others.
My hands have a feeling of wearing light gloves all the time with little strength.
My hips and feet are the worse, with neck shoulders and knees also aching.
What a state. ;D
I am a bit like this as well, but it comes and goes, although this week with the changes in the weather it seems to be back again. I have had this for about the last three or four years, got to admit have given up going to my GP about it, he did blood tests but nothing showed up, he doesn't seem very sympathetic at the best of times and reminds me of that Doc Martin on the TV programme.
I have just been trying the product "jointace", its a gel you use on your joints, it contains stuff like Eucalyptus, lavendar, ginger etc., also incorporates glucomacine and chrondroitin. Got to admit it was expensive, but it smells lovely and does seem to warm your joints,its quite nice to use in the evening when you are aching, before you go to bed. Not sure how effective it would be in a bad flare up though.
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Has any one tried the TENS machine advertised on Tv, its only £15, just wondered if it helped with joint pain, its mainly in my knee's?? :-*
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Been wondering about that myself Rosebush
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I have a tens machine which i got when i had sciatica and it worked for me but it does not help everyone....I also take 1000mg cod liver oil caps every day and if i forget to take it i can tell the next day (or is it all in the mind?)
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Aches and Pains - menopause or something else?
I've suffered from psoriatic arthritis since I was in my early 20s. It has been particularly bad over the last few years and I've noticed this coincided with my monthly cycle. I've mentioned this to the Rheumatologist but she never commented on it.
Last year I was put on a new drug which gave me a new lease of life. I was mobile again and doing yoga twice a week. At the same time my periods stopped in December.
In June this year, the doc took me off the drug ( I was told I would be on it for 9 months and that time was up) two weeks later my symptoms of PA returned with a bang. Hands, feet, knees, ankles.....I was in pain 27/7, unable to walk and go out of the house and overwhelmed with tiredness. Two weeks later I had another period and another one in August.
Last week I saw the doc again and he put me back on the drug. I've had one dose and already feel 80% better. (I have 2 injections a week)
I'm not sure that the drug would work so fast and wondered if this improvement is a result of not have had any periods for 2 months. I'm not on HRT and don't take any supplements for menopause although I do take Omega 3 and Glucosamine.
Any ideas?
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im having a terrible time at the moment with joint pain....manily my big toe and one of my fingers. This gets really painful during the night. I have a big swollen finger and cant get my rings on...keep putting off going to the doc
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Just after 4 am on Friday morning I woke in terrible pain. My hips, knees and elbows felt like they were burning. It took me three attempts to get out of bed and ages to get downstairs. I managed to get to the kitchen and took a couple of Nurofen. After about half an hour the pain had faded enough for me to return to bed. The pain has continued all weekend and is currently in my back and shoulders. I was contemplating going to the doctors until I read all of your entries. Guess this is just something else we meno-women have to put up with eh? :'(
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Sorry to hear other people are having problems also. Mine is back with avengence at the moment, mainly my back and shoulders but sometimes seems all the way round the side of the ribcage. For me I know the time of the year has something to do with it, but I am also noticing "cycles" throughout the month when I get different aches and pains meno symptoms etc.
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Since my last post on this subject, the aching and pain has shifted from my hips to my left shoulder, how weird is that?!
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I to am happy to of found this site. I though I was going crazy. It is so hard to make people understand just what this feels like. I started with frozen shoulder which then moved to my neck and then lower back and now stiffness in my knees. It is so odd that in the evening I start to stiffen up and if I don't take advil before I go to bed I am woken up in so much pain that I can hardly lift my head off the pillow. I am taking liquid fish oil X 2 a day malic acid and magnesium, vitiamin D vitiam C. I started this 3 weeks ago. Unfortunately it takes awhile to get into the system. I am beginning to realize that diet plays a big part. I got into the candy after Halloween and I am paying for it dearly... If so many women in menopause are feeling this way why aren't doctors addressing it. Does menopause cause these stiff achey joints?
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Since my last post on this subject, the aching and pain has shifted from my hips to my left shoulder, how weird is that?!
Mine shifts around too, sometimes I can go about two or three weeks with nothing at all, then I have a different pain every week.
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I have noticed in the last 2 weeks or so that I have been getting aches & pains again in my joints. Now I never suffered from any of this till the meno started. I went on HRT back in April & it soon stopped :) then 2 weeks ago my right knee was really painful, then my left elbow & every now & again the hips start to hurt.
I am putting it down to two things:
1) It has been rather cold recently & I remember my mum saying years ago that when she had problems with her joints she put it down to the cold snap we were having.
2) I have put on over a stone in the last 18 months or so (since the onset of the meno). Therefore my joints are having to carry around a lot more weight & this must put pressure on them.
So I now need to move to a warmer climate & then to loose some weight, oh if only it was that simple. :( :(
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Yes, I am also getting a flare up at the moment and am sure its to do with the weather, its so cold and damp here, got to admit I feel a bit like curling up and hibenating when its like this.
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Hi Tanny, here I am now 5-6 days from my last post, moaning about the aches & pains I had & now they have all but disappeared :-\ :-\ - confused or what.
I shall probably wake up tomorrow morning full of it again >:( >:(
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That sounds good Cazikins, but I do find thats the way it goes. Mine has now shifted to my hips and it has really affected my walking this week, however, the last couple of weeks a few of the other meno symptoms seemed to click in once again which had also disappeared for a while. I have had quite a stressful few weeks, so not sure if "stress" is itself a meno symptom or is the cause of the symptoms, its all so vague, isn't it. The maddening things is, I had been really working hard at all the healthy things, ie exercise, diet, watching my weight etc. there is really no rhyme or reason to it.
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I have just been reading all your posts about aches and pains and just wanted to say that my legs have been aching terribly these last few weeks since the weather went very cold and damp. I also developed a pain in my lower back a few days ago for no apparent reason and that is making walking hard for me and getting up off the sofa is becoming quite painful.
I know I do not suffer like this in the summer, especially when we had our 2 weeks in Devon in July/August I felt great and I wasn't on HRT at that time.
Let's hope this is just another phase and the pains ease for us all soon.
Libby
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Hello Everyone I'm new on here ..
I'm just 44 and have suffered the most awful joint pain in my right arm elbow area and left arm wrist area.. The Dr. says its rhumatics/ and tendonitus.
I have slowly become worse and am terrible at priod time - I also have dreadful night sweats every so often and worst of all I am very anxious and snappy for no reason at all..
Yesterday I had a breast cyst drained and the Dr. advised me a may be going through the change and has put me on evening primrose oil ( 1000 mlg per day)
At last I feel I understand what is wrong with me and after reading the post on here I'm sure ..
I feel there is light at the end of the tunnel in so much as I know what is wrong with me and I can help myself ( the fear of not knowing was terrible ) ..
The posts on here are such a help - I'm crying with relief in the knowlege ther are others the same as me and Ive not got some unknow chronic illness..
:) :)
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:welcomemm: In Pain
And no my dear, you are not alone. You will find the help and support on this forum just what the doctor ordered. Anything you need to know and there will be someone on here who will have gone through exactly the same thing.
I have started taking Starflower oil and, touch wood, have been feeling less aches despite the weather.
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Thank you so much - this is such a help to me ... you are very kind and to find a forum like this is like finding sunshine on a wet day..
I have not heard of Starflower Oil !! Im glad it helps you ..
I have not yet felt the benifits of Evening Primrose as I've only just started and have been told it can take a few weeks..
I'm on at the moment so the world is bleak and as for the weather, well not much to say - it's not stopped raining since May ..
Take care - Im so pleased to find you all
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:welcomemm: In pain. I am sure that you will find it as helpful as I have. The ladies are wonderfully supportive.
Take care and look forward to hearing from you again.
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Last week was a bad week.... I am trying so hard to stay positive. But there are days when I break down and cry and feel sorry for myself. I just want to be able to walk up and down the stairs again with out the hip and knee pain. My mom turns 89 tomorrow I sometimes feel that old when I get up to move... Is there anyone who is now on the other side free and clear from the aches and pains of joint and muscel pain. How long does this last....????????
Thanks Wanda
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I'm another who's been suffering recently - I've noticed that my aches are much worse and my joints quite swollen around the time that my period is due, although I ache generally the rest of the month too! I also strained my back in July and still get woken up at night with that, I too think that there must be more elderly folk who are fitter than me :-\
I have heard that boswellia serrata is supposed to be really good for relieving joint pains as well as massaging in emu oil, so I might give that a go if they aren't too expensive!
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I have been taking advil and just switched over to tylenol arthritis just to take the edge off so that I can go to work and function a little easier. Does anyone else take anything for the aches and pain.. You search the net on the subject and everyone has a cure and it is sometimes expensive. People in pain would pay anything to get relief How do you know if it really works. Its kind of sad that the world is like that.
Again I would like to thank you for responding to me.. Its nice to know I am not alone. It helps me cope a little easier.
Your words of kindness is much appreciated
Wanda
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Joint Pain has been bad in the last couple of weeks shoulders, hips and knees . I finally got my doctor to run some tests. No answers back yet. I have lost 17 lbs in 2 months have to force my self to eat and now have a rash on one side of my body chest arms and legs. I just want to get better I am going to be seeing a rhemutologist and hopefully she will be able to give me some answers. I feel for each and everyone of you that have posted. Has anyone ever had a rash like this accompanied by joint pain?? Why isn't more being done to help us ??????
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Hi Wanda,
Sorry to hear that you have been so poorly recently. I'm afraid I'm not a lot of help with this subject but wanted to wish you well. I feel a complete wimp as I've had heartburn recently and found it a pain to deal with and after reading your post it has made me feel a wimp.
I hope you soon get to the bottom of things and get yourself sorted. :hug:
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Hi Wanda,
So sorry to hear that you are going through all this at the moment, you have had a rough ride. I can't help you much either I'm afraid but I hope things get sorted for uou soon.
I get the odd spell of aches & pains & it is hard to get up & about sometimes but it is nothing like yours. I have not heard of a rash with joint pain before but then nothing surprises me anymore with this meno lark.
I do hope you get the results soon & please let us know how you are getting on.
Cazikins x
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I found this article very interesting i suffered from fibromyalgia 17 years ago after the death of my baby but it came back shortly after i had my ovaries removed and has stayed ever since. i have also developed a shoulder problem at the moment doc beleives it to be buritis but never had this problem before
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I have had hip problems this week - every morning I have got up & my hips have ached :( :( :(, haven't felt like this in a long time girls.
Years & years ago I was told that I had scoilorosis (spelling wrong I know) hips - basically it means I have a wonky pelvis & the spine is out of sequence (oops spelling again) with the rest of my body.
The doctor said back then (in the 70's) that when I get older it may cause me problems & I may need a hip replacement........ well I think I may be there now damn it :beat: :beat:
I hate feeling the way I do with all the aches & pains & I know that I am not as bad as some of you ladies on here but I feel that old age has finally caught up with me. >:( >:(
Love Cazikins xx
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Think i am in your boat as well Cat :'( So many aches and pains the last 2mths, had to see Gp he feels i may R Arthritis, i was diagnosed with O A years ago, my wrists are so weak, cannot bend my right thumb, me knee's are very painful, and like you Caz, had hip pain as well in the night, blood tests booked for next week...so this Meno has bought on my old age at 58, never thought it would be like this, also just read, if we do not get 8hrs sleep we get poor IQ, so with only 2/3hrs broken sleep for 6yrs, does explain a lot.. :o
Hope after Meno some of us do get to feel better.. :-*
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Hi Girls
So glad I could come here this morning. Almost at the end of tether this weekend. I have been having varying joint aches now since end of Nov/December and the last few days have not known what to do with myself. Have had similar previous winters, but nothing as bad as this, and am wondering if the weather has anything to do with it. However, have not had a period now for 3 years so maybe my hormones are at a low point. My hip and one leg is just constantly aching all the time (however neck & wrist pain better), even sitting at the moment seems painful. My doc has been very little help and just tells me to take painkillers, altho I too, have got an appointment with a rheumatologist. So meanwhile I end up spending a fortune, on creams, pills and potions from Boots and nothing seems to work. I do wonder how long this will all last, or if I can expect it to improve.
Wanda - Good luck with the tests, I too had the blood tests, few years back but they showed up nothing. Trouble was by the time results were through was feeling better, in hindsight should have made them do further investigations as they just left things then. Well done with the weightloss, BTW. Though know what you are saying about feeling old etc. my mum is actually a lot fitter than I am at the moment.
Cazkins - Am a bit similar to you with my pelvis & spine, years ago was told this could cause arthritis etc., didn't think it would set in this quick for me though.
Anyway, thanks everyone for being here, had a bit of a rotten weekend and really lost it with hubby for not helping more, LOL.
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Joint Pain has been bad in the last couple of weeks shoulders, hips and knees . I finally got my doctor to run some tests. No answers back yet. I have lost 17 lbs in 2 months have to force my self to eat and now have a rash on one side of my body chest arms and legs. I just want to get better I am going to be seeing a rhemutologist and hopefully she will be able to give me some answers. I feel for each and everyone of you that have posted. Has anyone ever had a rash like this accompanied by joint pain?? Why isn't more being done to help us ??????
Wanda, that sounds like shingles? Has anyone suggested that?
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Well my hips are feeling a lot better at the moment so I am putting it all down to the damp weather we are having :-\ :-\.
Good luck with the tests next week Rosebush, make sure you let us know how you get on.
Tanny, sending you :hug: :hug: to help with the aches & pains you are having.
Wanda, I hope you read Motherof Girls post, I don't know much about this sort of thing but the rash thing doesn't sound right.
Love Cazikins xx
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Caz glad your hip pain is a bit better, its this and knee pain i feel brings us down more, as we cannot move to good..
Hope everyone else is getting some pain relief as well :-*
I hate Jan & Feb, with the damp and the dreary days, still at least this month is nearly over, and the nights will soon get lighter.. :)
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Hi
I found this great site two days ago, it has given me reassurance that I'm not the only woman who feels like they are going mad in the menopause. My mood swings seem to worsen from early evening and am experiencing aches and sensations in my feet,and sharp intermitant achey pains in arms and elbow/wrist joints - I don't know how to cope with them at times. Has anyone any advise how to handle them? Suzy
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Had blood test results back and i donot have RA, which is great, so for the pain i have been given Lodine SR 600mgs, 1 per day, i have to go back for further blood tests in 3mths, i will be on holiday then, so will have to wait 5mts, but Gp did say if i get any bad stomach cramps to stop them, and go back to see him, so giving them a try...
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Hi Ladies,
After spending weeks in joint pain shoulders,knees and hips and going through numerous testing they think that I might have Lupus. Its very odd because it ususally hits younger persons..
I just want to say that if you are just starting into menopause make sure you eat healthy, exercise and keep your stress level under control. Any other time in your life you can handle stress but I think when going through Menopause..... its to hard on the system. I wish I had read up more on menopause before I entered into it. I really didn't know what to expect and what was good for me. Keeping stress to the minimum is the key.. I really don't know any one with Lupus and don't know what to expect.... I just pray they can get this pain under control so I can function again....
Take care and thank you again for your prayers good wishes and support
Wanda
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Hello Wanda, I am sorry to hear that you are still in so much pain; but hopefully now that you have a diagnosis they may be able to help with the pain relief more effectively?
I don't know anybody with lupus personally, but know 'of' somebody who has it, and as you say, stress seems to be a trigger for it. I wonder if there are any support groups in your area, it is strangely comforting to find somebody experiencing similar things and sharing what is happening.
I hope you manage to get some relief and remember to take things easy stress wise. xxx
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Hi Suzy
Just noticed your post seems to have been missed so :welcomemm:
Sorry to hear you are having a bad time at the moment with your symptoms, it really is no joke is it. Mood swings are awful, mine are worse when I am tired I think, be it early morning if I have woken up several times in the night or after a day at work. Thankfully I am not suffering nearly so much since I switched to a different type of hrt and started a low GI diet seems to have helped.
Funnily enough I have been suffering from painful heels/feet if I sit for any length of time, but I had put this down to the stepper/twister we bought to get fit :o so I have eased off using it ::) but with the meno........ who knows ;D I keep an open mind now
You might like to introduce yourself on the 'new members' section, I'm sure there will be someone along who is or has experienced something similar and can offer some more advice. There is a lot of support on this site
Michelle x
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Hi Wanda
Sorry to hear you are going through the mill right now, although I would imagine you are relieved to know they now seem to have discovered what the cause is.
Stress... that is not an easy one to deal with, I know I am finding it very hard right now.
I hope they can help you with something to relieve the pain and I am sending you :hug: :hug:
Rosebush, glad to hear you didn't have RA. Please don't hesitate to go back to your GP if you have any problems with your stomach on the medication - (speaking from experience of other meds... :( )
Michelle x
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Thxs for your caution note Micki, i have decided to take 1 tab every other day, and see how i go, stomach cramp is something i rarely get, so i will notice straight away..I help take care of my Mom who has Parkinsons, she has had it for over 20yrs, and now is unable to walk without assistance, so i feel its the lifting thats causing the prob, even though i do it correctly :(
Hi Wanda, sorry to hear your pains are so bad, dont know anyone with Lupus, but hope the correct medication gives you some relief, its so hard trying to deal with this Meno and keep stress at bay, i had to give up my job which i loved, working with mental health patients, due to the stress each day, will you let us know how things go.. :hug:
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Hyaluronic tablets??
Has anyone tried these, for joint pain, have been reading about them in local paper.
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Hi Wanda - sorry to hear that you have Lupus but now that you have been diagnosed I am sure the treatment will be really effective. Just make sure to rest as much as your body tells you to. I know two people who have been diagnosed with this recently and both of them were well into their 50's which their rheumatologist says is extremely common - it affects more menopausal women than any other group. They are both feeling much better now so I hope you get relief too. At least you now know what it is, hopefully you have not had it for too long.
Love Taz x
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Rosebush - I have just read your post about your stomach cramps. Please don't just reduce your dose and not contact your GP if he/she has said to let them know about stomach cramps. If the medication is doing this to you then reducing the dose may just make it take longer to actually do serious harm to your stomach lining. This is quite a strong drug which my father took for some time for his RA - it worked well but it is something that should be taken for as short a time as possible - unless they have revised their medication guidelines. What does it say in the factsheet that came with them? It is best to get it checked out I reckon - sorry to be a pain!!
Love Taz x
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Hello
AS I'm new to this forum, I'm jumping in with both feet as I don't at the moment have time to read all the posts (just a few) but may I say that it has only been recently that I discovered that joint pan can be a symptom of menopause.
Had a hysterectomy many years ago but still have ovaries which must have atrophied by now through lack of purpose!
However, I had a period about 12 years ago (I'm 56 now) when I thought I might have ME or MS and felt lousy all the time. Joint pains seemed to be in the background constantly. These eased somewhat when I was put on HRT (ostensibly to avoid bone loss because it runs in my family) but after 10 years of HRT my GP thought I should try without it. There has been one good side to stopping HRT and that has been the reduction - significant - in migraines but everything else is pretty troublesome in rather random cycles. Joint pain however seems pretty constant in hips and shoulders and vaguely in my back and curiously in my ribs. Keeping moving is good but every morning I find I have stiffened up considerably overnight and need 15 minutes of steady stretching in bed before I can get up without pain and stiffness.
The possibility of being mis-diagnosed with arthritis seems high and I am toying with asking my GP to go back onto HRT for 6 months to see if it improves any of my menopausal symptoms (I'm having pretty bad brain fuzziness and concentration disorders as well).
I'd be interested to hear what other people think, espeically those who have returned to HRT after a break.
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Hi Grace
CRAFT seems to be the lot of us all as we become women of "un certain age" - I try to pretend I'm sultry and French (it's bad enough that Frenchwomen seem to have innate dress sense; terrible that they seem to develop allure after the menopause when all I seem to develop is old lady aura).
But, being new to this website/forum I can begin to say how fantastic it is to feel that I am not falling to bits alone.
Gloria
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Hi all. Until yesterday I had NO idea joint aches were linked to the menopause.
I was perimenopausal at 49 and was given HRT which was just WONDERFUL.
After 2 1/2 years I had to come off it suddely due to a nipple discharge.
I had no more periods ;D and thought all was well.
I had hot flushes and night sweats, but these were maneagable.
About 3 years ago, I started having a problem with the ball of my right foot. It was painful and stopped me from wearing shoes with even the slightest heel, or pointy toes. Granny boots for me then!!!
About 2 years ago I started having slight pain in one knee when going upstairs. I thought it was some sort of strain, so wore a sports support.
It then went to the other knee, and I did the same.
Over the last 12 motnhs both knees have been giving me real pain, and I cannot walk uostairs without holding onto the bannister and twisting my left leg so there's no pressure on the knees.
A couple of months ago I started noticing pain in my elbows when carrying even the slightest weight, and my hips seemed stiff.
I am not a moaner or regular visitor to the doctor, thinking "OK I'm 56, and my bits are wearing out"
However most days I feel as if I'm 90, with very limited mobility.
5 years ago I was in the gym 4-5 times a week, and only 8 yeras ago I had a horse and rode 7 days a week.
I got so depressed that yesterday I went to my GP.
She manipulated all the joints and said I had a very good range of movement, and that my ailments were all part of the post menopausal package!!
After discussing the risks v benefits we decided on a low dose HRT for 12-18 months.
I am SO hoping that it works.
We have retired early to Spain, and this is definitely NOT what I expected.
I'll let you know if the HRT works.
If anyone can suggest anything else I can take, I'd be very grateful for your suggestions.
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Hi Jackie1952, well this all sounds familiar to me as well. I live in a bungalow so no stairs to worry about but when I do have to negotiate steps somewhere, it is hand on the rail to steady myself, take each step slowly so that the knees don't crack >:( >:(. I can't imagine running up stairs like I use to a few years ago.
I am on HRT & they have helped with some joint aches but not all :'( :'(. I think my problem is that since being on HRT (about a year now) I have put on a sone & a half & I do believe that the heavier you are the more pressure is put on the joints - more pressure = more pain.
I'm sorry I can not suggest anything else to take but I do know there are a few ladies on here that have been through similar experiences.
Cazikins xx
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I can't tell you how happy I am to find this thread. Sorry, I haven't had chance to read the whole thread but have browsed through a lot of it. I've had terrible joint pain on and off since my twenties - mostly in my hips and knees and always worse just as my period starts. Sometimes i get it around ovulation time. It hurts to lie down at night, the pain intensifying as the night goes on. Different mattresses make no difference and i sometimes end up getting up and walking around to relieve the aches. Standing still in one spot for more than a few minutes can cause it too.
Now it's starting to spread to my lower back, and middle back, and today I noticed my finger joints aching. I've had tests for arthritis but they were negative. I've visited different doctors but never had it explained to me why this happens. Of course, I've tried to find answers on the web, but this thread helps because I now know I'm not the only one feeling this way. It really is painful.
Thanks for reading & good luck to everyone :)
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Hi ladies
Were do I start! as I have posted before I have neck shoulder and wrist pain. just now
I am sitting with a ice pack on my shoulder which ache all the time ( the doc said the ice would help) I am not very good at remembering to take tablets so I had acccupuncher ( I know this is not spelled right but I am crap at spelling ) but this did not help with my shoulder but helped a little with the wrist this is not so painful now.
I have bought some evening primrose and for the last 3 days I have remembered to take it but how long that will last who knows I am not sure if it helps with joints but I will give it a go
Do you have to ask the doctor for HRT or will he give it if he thinks your symptoms are bad enough. I have been twice about the tiredness and joint pain but nothing came up on the blood test so nothing was done
I do take pain killers but only if I can take no more which seems to be in the evening when it gets worse
This form is great for help and it cheers me up no end but now I have found it My house work has gone to the dogs.
Peg
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Hi Peg,
I've been going the alternative route too, though I haven't tried acupuncture (yet!). I saw a homeopath for a while and she helped a lot with my anxiety/panic - and since i find that I tend to dwell on the pain while I'm anxious, it also helped the pain too in a round-about way.
This morning though has been a bad one for me. i woke several times in the night with horrible aches and soreness in hips and knees and had to get up for a while. By this morning it had become unbearable. I took neurofen which helped, but I can still feel the aching and the stiffness is there.
My aches and pains tend to be regular in that they come when I am ovulating or on my period. So hopefully the latest aches will start ease off soon :)
Keep going with the evening primrose oil, it takes a while to have an effect :)
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i think i have got it, my period stops nearly a year ago, and m not looking after myself well.
my shoulders and arms are aching constantly, it makes me feel tired and worn out.
I have had shoulders and back pain for years, but now my arms are aching constantly.
my right arm can be useless at times
I am not sure how to fix this problem, i have ordered some pure col tablets online, and would see if it helps.
swim and gym is also on the offing
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Hi there same question do any of you take supplements for your aches and pains. Mine seem to be shoulder and back and headaches that go from front of head to nape of neck in a midline.
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Hi
Im glad i clicked into this site i had joint pain in my forties i m now 55 and started hrt 6 years ago
for bad night sweats anxiety the whole works and the joint pains along with everything else went
away.
Now for the last few weeks the joint pains are back some days my ankles and hips other days my shoulders
neck elbows and when i get up i feel as if dragging about 20 stone i only weigh 10 ,istill take hrt kliofem 20mg
and have taken a multi vitamin and cal mag for years so is this it don t know what to do should i stop the
hrt can t take glucosamine it upsets my stomach anyone got a gun i ll just shoot myself :(
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Hi Marley, like you my aches and pains stopped with the HRT - I'm sorry yours has stopped working -
my mum can't take glucosamine either cos it is from shellfish and she is allergic - could be your prob too
there is a vegetarian alternative you can take that actually comes from veggies instead of shellfish - may be worth a try
have a look here: http://www.healthandgoodness.com/acatalog/Vegetarian_Glucosamine.html
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ive been having painful joints for a couple of years and was referred to a specialist at the hospital who said it may be fibromyalgia and prescibed anytriptaline, i do find it helps with joint pains and insommnia, then i was told that the pains could be as a result of amnemia due to my increasingly heavier periods. To be honest i think ive been to every department of the hospital with no answers. di
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Dear dr Curry
i too have horrific pain due to m.e/cfs as well as the onset of menopause i've found that by taking L GLUTAMINE, L ORNITHINE ALPHA KETOGLUTARATE in powder form in 100/200mls of water with a bit of juice 4 times a day 3mg each glass full that seems to be helping my pain and stamina.I'm told due to the fact its just amino acids it can't hurt apart from maybe a bit of stomach upset, so if it helps take it.
Hope you find this interesting.
Pingluby xx
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I suffer achey joints and stiff muscles etc at times but, to throw in more confusion, I also have MS (thankfully, so far, what seems a mild form, diagnosed 9 years and no disability). I have always assumed it was my MS playing up, but maybe some of it is down to peri-menopause?
I have been taking supplements for the last 9 years, including fish oils and I have regular accupuncture and reflexology, so far I have managed my MS very well and have a positive attitude to that, somewhat bizarre but I'm used to the MS and it doesn't worry me, but the meno does!!
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h guys
i get these aches and pains too..mostly neck,shoulders and jaw..sometimes elbows..but then,so does hubby..so maybe although the meno doesn't help..we just getting older...take anti inflamitories when its bad..but try to cope on my own mostly
gina
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I take 1500mg Glucosamine every day along with 100mg Cod Liver Oil and Omega 3 Fish Oils. The difference with the pain is significant. I always notice if i forget a day or two because i am as stiff as a board. I suffer from osteoarthritis as well as being menopausal.
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I have really achy joints. My thumbs have been really bad past few weeks. Hardly any grip anymore. Sometimes I'm walking and my knee or hip will just give and gets really sore. weird.
I take glucosamine and chondrite (sp??), cod liver oil, garlic caps and started Mg, B and Ca tablets. Oh and multi vits + iron.
I too creak and can't straighten when I get up. I find exercise helps, if I just keep going but it is so difficult when you are shattered. If pain is too bad I take Ibuprofin.
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I have really achy joints. My thumbs have been really bad past few weeks. Hardly any grip anymore. Sometimes I'm walking and my knee or hip will just give and gets really sore. weird.
I take glucosamine and chondrite (sp??), cod liver oil, garlic caps and started Mg, B and Ca tablets. Oh and multi vits + iron.
I too creak and can't straighten when I get up. I find exercise helps, if I just keep going but it is so difficult when you are shattered. If pain is too bad I take Ibuprofin.
Could it be the weather at the moment Blue. Because my joints had been doing ok, but the last few weeks have suddenly started playing up again. Started with my shoulder and neck and now has moved on to one of my hips, both of these are areas where I do get pain and it seems to come and go. I exercise regularly but have had to slow down because of this. I am taking glucosomine and omega 3 oils. As someone else said I am not sure if this is specifically down to the M or just getting older, as my hubby gets similar too.
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I swear by cod liver oil, co-codamol, relaxation and self-hypnosis.
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i have found my knees and wrists ache all the time but like Tanny, my hubbie as joint aches as well so i just thought it was old age rather than the M.
karen
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My toes and lower legs are aching so much today. I feel like I want to wrap them in a hot water bottle to ease the aching. I wonder if it is worse today because it's cold and wet. Maybe my legs are turning into a barometer!
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i must admit, I was really stiff this morning, mind you , I didn't sleep much last night, woke at 12.25 dozed off & woke at 2am then didn't go back to sleep :(
it's pouring with rain here & mist coming down & that usually makes aches & pains worse :(
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I have Osteo Arthritis and find Glucosamine & Oil tabs really help, i do notice my pain is worse if i forget to take my tabs for a few days...the pain is my reminder. :)
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I was 36 when my period stopped and didn't have the courage nor the inclination to visit the doctor by the time I was 38 I was in agony all my joints groan and grate so I decided as Mum had oesteoporosis I would get it checked out as when I had my daughter had 31 i had pain in my hips so though possibly same problem - sent for one blood test after another and bone density scan and internal aswell - horrifying - doctor should be sacked. I have been diagnosed as menopausal. I am 5ft 9in and now weigh 15 stone as he told me I was a tad on the havy side - fat - old bitch - is what he was saying....I have no hot flushes - I get mood swings - if something isn't going smooth - I feel the fluttering and I can feel either the anger or panic rising.....I am on premique low dose and cocodomal - cocodomal doesn't take the edge off but doc says she won't increase pain relief until I prove I am taking cocodamol morning, noon and night.....other doctor had no qualms in saying that I have oesteo-arthritis - but for some reason she declines to discuss this - as far as I am concerned doc has told me it's arthritis but will be back to her in 3 weeks as cocodamol doesn't help the grating. So tired and can't sleep but still no hot flushes...I am 39 and 40 next year - any advice would be really helpful
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I want to tell doc to test for oesteoarthritis bu she wont consider at mo - but I have already been diagnosed with Crepitis when I was in the Army and that is a form of Oesteoarthritis I want to force her hand.
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Hi Jax,
:welcomemm:
Could you change your doctor, or see a different doctor?
perhaps a different pain killer would help, not all painkillers suit everyone.
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Hi jax1970 and welcome to the forum.
Where is your Crepitus or is it everywhere? I am not sure whether Co-codamol is the right thing to be taking to be honest. It is known to have addictive properties and the side effects can be a bit difficult too.
Taz :)
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I have had right hip pain for ages now and having problems sleeping when waking up lying on my right hip, but my mum advised taking Glucosamine and Cod Liver Oil.
I have been taking 2gms of each daily and it works! :)
I feel like I have been oiled! No more pain. :) Amazing stuff.
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Thanks for that Sunshine. ;)
Will deffo give it a go.
My memory is shocking and my sleep pattern has gone to pot! :-\
Doesn't help that I work full time permanent 12hr night shifts!!! :o
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Thank heavens it is the menopause.
I look like that penguin in poppyrose's clip when I get up in the morning!!!!!!!!!
Was tested for R/A as my mum had it plus osteoporosis and connective tissue disease, so naturally , not to be one to jump to wild dramatic trains of thought," oh here we go , the end is nigh!!!!
So so glad that it is such a common factor in the whole meno thing
I have chronic shoulder, finger, back and knee pain. The funny thing is it seems to rove around. One day the shoulder is completely unfunctional ,next day it can be fine but the knee has gone AWAL.
The great thing about this forum is it can stop people feeling so isolated with not only their pains but their over active imaginations ::) Thanks girls
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I cant believe there are so many posts on here about this, I too am only 49 but have constant pain one way or another, I am lucky if I have a day without something, I have always suffered from sciatica and lower back pain, but have recently added knee pain and a horrible pain in my right wrist which is worse when I sleep, I have been under physio for my back and have got pilates back classes at the local hospital,I have some fairly good pain killers but havent tried any other remedies like most of you I find the mornings worse trying to get out of bed and straightening up, putting trousers and socks on is a nightmare though lol !!
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I've had a bad back for months, got worse lately and now had a numb left thigh as well for 3 weeks. I assumed it was sciatica, I've been to the physio again today today, seems I have a "pinched nerve". I live in France, am crap at french so it took us both a while to work out exactly what he was saying to me! He seemed to be telling me it's my age (52) and I'm stuck with it! I asked him to tell me what kind of exercise would help but he said just walking at the mo until the imflamation goes down.
Mind you he does do the most wwwooonnnnddeeerrffuulll back massage!!!! ;)
Been googling "backache" and going to try some pilates etc. Anyone had the same and can recommend any specific exercises?
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I can recommend Alexander Technique. You need to have lessons from a trained teacher but should think you could find one in France. It's all about posture and once you've learned the basics you can practice it by yourself. I did it years ago and have recently had some "refresher" lessons because of recuring back problems and sciatica (sp?!) and it's really helping.
Bixby x
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I am so glad I found this site - why is it that normal woman can share sensible advice which Doctors never mention.
My background.
After I gave birth to my daughter 18 years ago I was offered the opportunity of being a 'test person' for the Deprovera injection. This was great - and worked amazingly (up at 6am every morning - felt 35 rather than 52) for 18 years until my doctor suggested I tried coming off as it covers up Menopausal symptoms. I asked 3 doctors whether there was any published research on the side effects of coming off the injection after long term usage but drew a blank.
So last September having no menopausal symptoms and feeling great I stopped. A few months went by - no periods and felt OK, then suddenly in January my body went into complete melt down. Every joint in my body has ceased up, my lower back feels like it cannot hold the rest of my body, I find it hard to type and my right elbow is in constant pain. My previously great body feels like an engine without any oil.
So I go off to the doctors and ask her to explain what has happened to me. All she said was you need to go on HRT and the aches were just part of menopause. I said but I don't have any of the other symptoms and so I think I may have already gone through the worst of it so isn't there something else like Starflower or Cod Liver Oil - but nothing was forthcoming - just HRT.
So today I was searching on Starflower oil + menopause and came upon this site.
I admit that reading the posts has made me both sad and angry. How can so many women be experiencing the same symptoms but there is no other advice from the doctors but take HRT.
Why can't doctors offer the same sensible advice as the women on this forum.
So as from today I am taking 3 Starflower oils and a multi vit for menopause.
I'll keep you posted
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Hi geewizz, and welcome. I totally agree with what you say - this site has been a wealth of information to me. Part of my work takes me into mental health environment, where I come across so many women who are labelled "depressed" "bipolar", suicidal, etc., etc., and I see these women as menopausal - their symtoms suggest so!! Many women experience going to the Doctor with this wide range of meno symptoms and come away labelled as depressed!!! There is such an important difference to make.
I do hope you find your way through your meno journey with strength.
Love Yogini xxxxx
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Hi Geewizz
Welcome from me too :welcomemm:
I can recommend glucosamine + chondroitin for joint pains. I've been taking them for three months and reading your post has just made me realise how much better I feel!
I also take evening primrose and a multivitamin.
In my experience doctors don't know all that much about menopause. You'll get much more help and advice from the lovely ladies on this forum, and there's lots of info on the site through the green menu on the left of the screen.
Hope your joints feel better soon!
Catweazle x
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Hi geewizz
:welcomemm:
You might like to post on the "new members" section too as more people read that - look forward to hearing more from you. Have a look at the "funnies" too - nothing like a good laugh when the meno gets you down!
Bixby x
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How do I get on to the new members part of the forum - I can't see it anywhere
Thanks
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Click on Forum in the green menu on the left, then scroll down to New Members and click on that.
Please ask again if I've not been clear!! Have hit some button and my post's looking odd as I type it so not sure how it'll look - as you can tell, not the most computer literate woman!
Bixbyx
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I have been suffering joint ache for the past 2 years. It became a real problem when I was on my hands and knees on the floor and I couldn't get back up. I went to the doctor a few times with various symptoms including insomnia, hot flushes, memory loss and lack of concentration, to name a few. The joint pain was dismissed as being something else. Eventually I was referred to Dr Currie. What a relief. She told me the joint pain was connected and could be stopped. I take glucosamine, MSM, cod liver oil, evening primrose oil, all at the strongest doseage allowed.
The pain is particularly bad this last couple of days and I've also been suffering blinding headaches, which I haven't had since I was a teenager. I'm now 49.
I feel as though this has been one long moan, but I'm usually a very active person who likes to keep physically fit.
Can anyone tell me what , if anything I can do about the pain, and does it eventually get better?
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Hi Gordysgirl - :welcomemm:
I found the only thing that stopped my joint aches was HRT. I am sure Dr Currie discussed this with you - or are you on it anyway? If you are then I'm stumped as to a solution - sorry. :-\
You will find loads of help and support on here so keep posting and hopefully someone will be along soon with a remedy for your aches and pains.
Taz :)
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Ive developed joint aches badly
My backs been rubbish since last year I did it in lifting
But now Im acheing in arms legs etc
I think its either the vagifem or stopping the mini pill
\When I go I will ask him maybe even on Vagifem I need the mini pill too
Suzi Q
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You could need both Suzi - why not ask for HRT - that would include both.
Taz x
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Just wondering, how soon after the menopause(ie last period) has anyone started getting these wretched joint pains? I've suffered with lower back pain on and off for years, as a result of the job I used to do and fibroids. But recently I've been woken up at night by an aching left hip, rather like somone else on here, and also been getting pains in my knees especially when kneeling or bending down. I had my last period in November 2008, and my doctor says I am now "post-menopausal". I'm 54.
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Hi gang
I have now been taking 3 Starflower, 1 Memopause Vit tablet (Tesco own label) and 1 Triple Omega 3,6,9 since 9 March and can't believe how much better my joints feel. I am so glad I did not take the HRT which the doctor prescribed.
The only down side has been that I feel like the 'oil' in my joints runs out in the evening - so as from today I am going to take half the dose in the morning and half at tea time and see whether that has a better effect.
I'll keep you posted.
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I have been getting joint pains for some time now (time seems to fly by so quickly I have trouble remembering if it is weeks, months, years even). I have been taking 1000mg Evening Primrose Oil daily but that does not seem to help with that problem. Have tried the Glucosamine but found the tablets too large to swallow (I am one of those people who always gags on tablets for some reason). Did find a liquid kind of version, but it was both expensive and tasted like s*** so did not persue that for too long lol! Have kind of resigned myself to thinking this is part and parcel of growing older!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I recon IM right I recon I recon the mini pill stopped all the aches
Im now 15 years post meno and only stopped the pill 6 weeks ago and then the pains came
Maybe 4 weeks and its driving me nuts had to kneeel today at work that wasnt too bad but then I had to sit on my kneees
I thought they would break or the muscles would snap as for leaning back on my heel I tried to do that and tha pain I had to sorta roll
Made the babies laugh this only started since Ive been off the mini pill
I stopped Ovestin way back in November still took the mini pill
Started Vagifem 14th Feb and stopped mini pill GP said didnt need it
I feel like an old lady my fanny feels heaps better but the Bloody acheing so Ive swaped done for the other Ill have the achey joints
Suzi Q 8)
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Suzy I was a Nursery nurse like you, and I reckon my back and knee problems relate to that! Too many years(over 20 in my case) spent crawling round floors and sitting on little chairs has taken its toll. Add on the menopause and there you go!
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2 words- I don't!
How sore is this???
I am thoroughly miserable. Got rid of my PMDD only to be flung into menopause and all the joys it brings. My poor partner must be a saint for putting up with this rubbish.....
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Why aren't you allowed HRT Endoftether? It just seems crazy to put you into menopause to get rid of your pmdd symptoms, when a lot of those symptoms seem to be the same as the meno ones? Sorry, I know it is a very difficult illness to manage but I am a little confused.
Is it Tazzywoof who has the same condition by the way? She has had a hysterectomy and is now on HRT and is doing well I believe.
Taz x
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Hey Taz
yes it is tazzywoof who had the same thing. I'm in touch with her via naps. I can't take hrt due to severe reaction to it. I got arrested the last time I tried it and am currently on a deferred sentence so i'm a little reluctant to experiment with hrt at present and my gynae is very reluctant to prescribe it as my reaction was so severe! I am hoping to have a family so have postponed the surgical route for now. I often wondered why my gynae was surprised when I said I didn't have any meno symptoms. He obviously knew what was coming!!! AND he's on holiday just now so I might have to bug my GP to tide me over til I can get to see him. Believe me, even with the pain, the meno is sooooo much better than the pmdd. Now that was hell on earth!.
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WOW what a difference! I sent my OH out for some high strength Glucosamine and took one before bed and another with my usual supplements this morning and the difference is incredible already. (It may be placebo, but who cares?!) My hands were less sore when I woke up, I never fell over getting out of bed and OH thanked me for waking him at 01.30am saying "look, did you see that? I turned over without wincing in pain!" Hmm Too enthusiastic for him :)
Anyway, I am now a Glucosamine convert and look forward to being completely pain free this time next week. Knees greatly improved today and only achey all over as opposed to downright sore. If you haven't tried these for joint pain, please do. I'm impressed.
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Am really pleased that they are working EoT :foryou:
Did I notice that you are on Prozac? I only ask because when I took them for a short time I suffered really bad pains in joints and muscles and I know it is down as a side effect. Just a thought for you to ponder - unless you aren't on an SSRI anyway :-\
taz x
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yep on prozac but have been for so long that I doubt that's what's causing the pains. Anyhoo, update. I'm now on 1000mg of glucosamine in the morning and then 500mg at 5pm and so far so good. it's more achey than painful but usually after I've been doing too much!
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Hi Kiki - sorry you are still feeling so sick. Why don't you ask for patches as was mentioned in a previous posting to you? These bypass the liver and very rarely give you a feeling of nausea.
The average age for meno is 51 - that means that this is when periods begin to get really erratic and other symptoms such as hot sweats creep in. You are only a couple of years off this so it seems as if you are normal to me. Have you had all these aches checked out by full blood tests etc?
As for hot flushes - these often don't really kick in until after your periods have almost finished. Don't worry a lot of us didn't realise all that menopause entails - though I think you were being a bit hopeful that you would still be young and fertile in your 60's and 70's! We all notice women who are a bit older than us - late fifties maybe - with their waistlines gone, boobs no longer plump, hair thinning but, for some reason, it is not going to happen to us.. is it ;D
Go back to your doc and ask for a different type of HRT - there are many kinds out there and some ladies have had to try quite a few before hitting on the right one. Also ask for blood tests if you haven't had them already - not for hormone levels as these are very unreliable but for signs that you may have something else other than meno going on.
Let us know how it goes.
Taz x
Taz x
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Hi all, wee update. Started on Adcal D3 at beginning of June and am now pain free! Woohoo. one in morn one at night. What a difference. Jx
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Am using extra strong deep heat on my sore neck and shoulders, smells really lovely (not), but it seems to be working for now!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have read through this thread with great interest.
Last night and today still, I am soooo achey. Was doing some room clearance yesterday, some furniture to skip etc. I am 53 on Saturday. I was taking HRT whilst peri in 2005, one that gave me a bleed, my periods hadnt stopped but were very scanty, and had flushes, sweats during night etc. Some time later, I was put on femoston conti. I asked GP could the "monthly bleeds" be avoided. I came off voluntary in March 2009, really to see if my periods had stopped. Was I officially of "the older generation?" I came off cold turkey. I felt fine untill probably start of 2010. I am suffering a lot of stress this year, (teenage daughter), and also wondered if I had some crippling muscle disease or something. Tests clear, am told I am post menopausal. Solution? Was given HRT again approx 2 weeks ago.
I realise some time is need for treatment to kick in, some say 3 months. I got 3 months supply, and told to go back if any more problems.
I am going to try menopace with the HRT, after 3 months, try reducing HRT , whilst taking supplement, then some time later, not sure how much time, try supplement alone. I will also try Glucosamine along side too. Unless there is some reason I shouldnt take all 3 together, oh and forgot the evening primrose oil!.
Also time to make greater effort to diet and excercise, I always thought I dont need to!. Plus I am going to invest in decent memory foam bed, after having cheap beds all my life.
Will let you all know how I get on futher down the line. I am really sick of the meno. In 2009 I thought I would never look back. As I have said on other threads, in my naiviety, I thought the reducing process of the hormones was the problem, and once at zero everything would be fine, never expected symptoms to come back and haunt me, and worse symptoms at that!
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Hi Jayb, have also just started on HRT after deciding before I became menopausal that I would never, ever go down that route, lol. How nieve (sp?) was I??????????? I am feeling very achey today, but not sure if it is me or medication (body not used to this new surge of hormones). Am hoping it will kick in soon and I will feel like a new woman, lol. Why are you reluctant to stay on HRT? Must admit, am not looking forward to 'bleeding' again as I had a mirena coil up until last week and had not had a period for over 5 years! Will just see how I get on. Good luck and let us know if your plan works.
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hi Bckquine
"Why are you reluctant to stay on HRT?"
I guess the risk factor Bckquine. They can tell me and I can read the studies that the risk is fairly minimal, and that I have to weigh up that risk against the benefits. I have already done 4 yrs HRT, perhaps I could have delayed taking as long as poss. I only know that now though,(unless GP informed me back then and I chose to ignore,didnt fully understand, or cant remember!) but I suppose the symptoms warranted taking it in 2005. I was back in career type employment (Civil Service) after being a mum for some 20 years. I found that change quite stressful in itself without feeling all the meno type stuff.
I'm a worrier, always have been, always seeking reassurance, its a trait I dont like about myself. I've got better as I've got older, but it's still there. The anxiety I am feeling is teen daughter related, but how much of it is meno related, I dont know. I just want to feel "normal" again. There is a pic on here of old lady. I find it scary that I could one day be "that old lady" Care home programmes upset me, I dont want to be old!
Now I'm sure any active fun loving 60 or 70 year old would tell me off for being so silly, but today its how I feel. :(
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Sorry you are feeling so down jayb. I was never going to take HRT, thought it was not worth the risks, but now I am menopausal, think I would rather have a better quality of life and maybe die a bit younger than live for ever and be a miserable old so and so, lol. But we are all different. I am one of the worlds worriers as well, but just keep telling myself, I could get breast cancer, a stroke, heart disease ect anyway, we do not know what is round the corner. I am a believer that when your time is up you will go and if it is not your time well.......... Think we just have to try and stay positive (not always easy I know)!
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I agree with you BkQ - but can also understand the worries that people have. However, I have lost a very good mate this year to cancer and have two other good friends diagnosed with inoperable bowel and secondary liver cancers. All of these women were/are in their forties and have never taken HRT. It certainly makes you think about these things. It is all a case of balancing up quality of "now" life.
Taz x
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thanks taz and bckquine, both your comments appreciated and needed actually.
I have woke up today more positive , prepared to "take on the world again", At least I am going to try, small steps, but steps all the same. And yes, young women, kids, all have been subjected to life threatening disease and other life horrors.
I like the thought , quaility, now in 50's, maybe there will be nothing to worry about when 60, or if I go onto 70. My Mum died of MND at 64, nothing to do with HRT. We can only deal with cards as dealt eh.
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Hello all, like Jayb I too am a terrible worrier, it doesn't take much to send me over the edge, and just lately I've been there again. Lots of aches and pains but they go off if i can stay active (but not over active) Recently during this hot spell my hot flushes have got worse during the day, but i've stopped worrying about them now and just accept them, luckily it's not too bad at night. But... my father in law is 80 this year and not coping with his 1/2 acre of garden, so not having had any gardening to do for 30 yrs, last thursday,hubby and I started trying to tackle it for him. My back and hips are giving me hell, I can hardly move, our boiler packed up at the weekend and so we were humping ladders and stuff about and dragging boards to put ladders on up onto a flat roof, and then I twisted myself and undid all the improvements since friday. I take Menopace plus, cod liver oil caps, primrose oil caps and glucosamine..... and now painkillers and voltarol gel (rubbed in not eaten) Hubby is fed up with my moaning and yesterday told me so... it didn't help.... I am so dreading more gardening and now the new pump for the fishpond has arrived, I've already threatened to fill it in and make a sand pit (huge) for the grand kids, didn't go down well...... So sorry for rambling on like this, all my entries on here these days seem to be a mammoth read... I'm 55 this year, and I'm really hoping to make it to 56, and the rest, but some days i don't think I'll make it to tea time.
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hi dr currie
i was diagnosed with paladromic arthitus 2 yrs ago after suffering with joint pains in wrists and shoulders for a couple of yrs before that...but since my meno syptoms have increased ive found i now have constant joint aches....fingers, elbows, ankles, shoulders, back and neck....i feel as though my skeleton has ganged up against me...and this makes the feelings of tiredness and fatigue become unbarable at times...especially as hot flushes disturb my sleep most nights....one of the things i hate the most is when lifting things like mugs or kettles causes my fingers to hurt so much...sometimes it does get me down..although i do have support from my partner, i feel stupid asking him to hold my mug for me....i just hope this gets better in time
aliene :)
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Hi Aliene - welcome to the forum.
Have you had your condition checked recently only the form of arthritis you have can, sometimes, change into rheumatoid arthritis. I think it is important to make sure that things haven't changed. It usually only affects one joint at a time as well - that's why it's called "palindromic" as this means it changes and moves around.
It sounds as if this is causing lots of upset at the moment - I do hope you feel better soon.
Taz x
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Hi Aliene,
I've had JIA (juevenile rheumatoid arthritis) since the age of 7, but it had been sitting comfortably in remission until last year (aged 43), when it flared up big time. Fingers, wrists, elbows, shoulders, knees, ankles and feet all flared up and I'm sure it's the inbalance of hormones (peri-meno) that brought it all on.
I'm now well controlled with dmards but left out of control, it can damage your joints. Best get it checked out with your GP who may refer you to a rheumatologist. I know exactly the pain you are talking about, and think that some anti-inflams at least, may help ease it a little. Your inflammation levels can be easily checked by a simple blood test.
Wibbs x
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hi wibbs :)
i was refered to a rheumatologist before i moved, i saw him 3 times, and was being monitered. hopeing my doctor here will refer me to one close by.
my old one did mention dmards but wanted to see if my syptoms and pain got worse first, i am hopeing this will be the next course of action....admittedly i am concerned with the affect taking dmards for the arthitus has on any hormone treatment i might have to take for the menopause.....although any relief from both would be extremely welcome...all my symptoms and pain did start after my hysterectomy, im now wondering if its arthitus at all or if its just the menopause...its very confusing!
aliene :)
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Hi Aliene, I tried many times to ask my rheummy if my arthritis reappearance was linked to my peri symptoms - he just laughed it off but I'm sure it is linked. I've heard of many women with aching joints who went on to HRT and the joint pain went but he wasn't prepared to let me try it. My aches and pains definitely get worse just before a period because of the drop on oestrogen.
I was interested to read in Top Sante magazine today that knuckle pain is a sign of the onset of RA. I had the knuckle pain for months but just blamed it on cutting up squares of carpet for the new guide dog puppy I was training at the time!
Not sure if you could take mtx with HRT but the weaker dmards should be okay - lets hope you don't need to tho'!
Good luck with your new GP!
Wibbs x
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Oh wow, I have been so enlightened reading all this !! :o
I have been attending the orthopaedic surgeon for 5 years and never once has he or anyone mentioned menopause to me !??!
I've had a couple of operations and am due to have more, but now I'm thinking I'll maybe not get them :-\
If this arthritis is brought on by the meno, does that mean it will settle down once the meno has finished ??
btw, what does peri meno mean ??
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Peri means "before". You have around ten years leading up to meno when your ovaries slowly begin to fail. I posted a link on another of your posts Crabapple about the link between osteo and menopause - not sure where now though so here it is again http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/osteoarthritis.html It's under "symptoms".
taz x
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Peri
Etymology From Ancient Greek περί (peri, “about, aroundâ€).
It means at the edge, eg in Perimeter.
Around, eg Periscope
Perimenopause is the stage from the beginning of menopausal symptoms to the postmenopause.
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Gosh, I hope it does settle down after the menopause. I've actually had RA since I was 7, but it was ticking away nicely in remission until the peri symptoms struck last Summer when I started getting knuckle pain, which is an early warning sign of RA. A couple of months later, my fingers, feet, knees and shoulders all became very painful and stiff. I now take sulphasalzine which controls it brilliantly but I hope I'm not on it for life!
Arthritis does tend to strike most at puberty, after pregnancy and the menopause - yet another downside to being female!
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Hi everyone, I am 67 went on HRT when I was 49 and have tried several times to come off mainly worried about cancer especially ovarian. However each time I have tried I have had severe joint pains especially in my arms, fingers and hands. I have been tested for everything but am clear. I am now down to one Kliovance and am experiencing hot flushes and joint pains. (Younger women be alert you do have to go through the menopause at some point) I take glucasamine and chondroitin, exercise regularly and eat healthily. I find I get depressed with the joint pain (arms now killing me as I type this) and would welcome suggestions other than going back on HRT again. Bersimah
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hi all, to all us suffering women, i just want to share what i'v found helpful for aching knees and thighs that were driving me mad, i've quite an active person and i weigh 8 stone 3 lb so not over weight, but i tried Potassium supplements and they made a world of difference to my aches. I know its not wishful thinking because they'v worked for over a year where i was virtually painfree but the online place i buy them from are out of stock at the moment so i've not taken any for nearly a month and i am in agony yet again !!!!! i'm only 50 but feel 80 at the mo, just walking is killing me.
I have tried to wait because they are a third of the price online,and yea i know the differance is only 4 pound but this menopause lark is costing me a fortune lol evening primrose, flax seed oil, cod liver oil etc etc but i can't wait any longer for my order to arrive so gonna fetch me some the weekend.
Hope this helps peeps
neat x
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Hi bersimah - I found that my arms were particularly painful when I was suffering from a neck problem. I couldn't raise them to dry my hair or hang the washing out. I was investigated for all sorts of things but it finally came down to cervical spondylitis(sp?) or was it spondylosis? Anyway whatever it was I was referred to physio and within a few weeks no more arm, hand or finger problems. Now and again I have to go back for a few weeks of physio.
On the other hand I am on Kliovance (just about to give up with it to be honest) and I have had quite bad joint and muscle pains since starting it. Just goes to show that what works for one doesn't work for the other!
Hope you get some answers soon. I have replied under your other thread too.
Taz x
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Oh my goodness, I'm glad I stumbled across this thread. I never realised that you could get joint pain in the way everyone has been talking about. I admit, I'm overweight and have always put it all down to that but it seemed that over night I all of a sudden couldn't get out of bed without having to warm up my legs, feet, hips and knees. My neck aches all the time and I get horrendous headaches. I always used to have 2 or 3 pillows due to my asthma but I have had to get used to 1 pillow now because of the neck pain and the headaches.
I also get alot of pain in my arms, shoulders, elbows, hands, and wrists and my back is alot worse than it's ever been. I can't stand for long periods of times anymore, I have been looking for a job recently and I have had to take that into consideration which isn't good really and a definate first.
I have been taking tramadol and for my back but haven't taken anything else, I will look into other things that have been mentioned here. Thanks
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Hi Timetobeme, I'm really pleased to have found this thread too. I couldn't understand how, almost overnight, I've become a hobbling old woman!
I've always been pretty active. I do aerobics, jogging, cycling several times a week, but a few months ago I was overcome with extreme tiredness, lack of energy and horrible aches and pains! It doesn't help that I can't sleep at night.
In the mornings it takes me ages to get out of bed and go downstairs because my knees and ankles feel like they're on fire!
I've ordered some Menopace and hope they make a difference.
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Really glad to have found this site.
Most of my aches and pains were in my legs so I have put it down to being overweight - although when they first started I was 3 st lighter than I am now. But lately I've had a constantly stiff neck on one side, and aching arms when lifting them to hang washing etc.
I find the aches and pains, along with hot flushes etc are worse when I'm not having periods. I went for 9 months without and then started again, and then went 6 motnhs without and they started again earlier this year every 3 weeks and absouktely horrendous so i couldn't leave the house for 2 days at the heaviest. Haven't had one this month and the hot flushes, night sweats and aches are back with a vengeance.
I really didn't even think the aches were anything to do with the menopause so its really comforting to know I'm not ageing prematurely at 53. And I'm going to try some of the remedies starting with high dose glucosamine which isn't too expensive and some evening primrose for the flushes...I could do with a good night's sleep as I seem to wake up every 15 mins from about 3 am with night sweats.
Will let you know how I get along.
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Hi Helen
:welcomemm:
Why not introduce yourself on "New Members" so more can welcome you?
You'll find lots of info and support here and don't forget to check out the "Funnies" ;D
Bixby x
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Hi Heleng - welcome to the forum from me too.
Have you thought about trying HRT? It works for some and not for others and you sound as if you have been having quite a rough ride so far.
As for the neck - this happened to me with the neck pain badly affecting my arms. A short course of NHS physio sorted things out and made such a difference. It wasn't anything to do with meno but wear and tear on some of the neck vertebrae. You should get yourself referred for some physio I reckon.
Taz x
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Hi everyone, I've spent ages looking at your your posts, and although I'm still in pain I'm comforted to know I'm not alone. 2 1/2 yrs ago hubby was diagnosed as diabetic and (as we live over the shop & get no exercise) we took up walking, one afternoon I wiped my mucky feet on some grass before getting in the car and got such servere pain I couldn't move, it was like the worse ever cramp in my groin and down my thigh. Trip to doc's and ultimately hosp for physio diagnosed Adductor tendonitis (footballers and horseriders groin strain) had a sheet of exercises to do (which I later lost) but by then it was getting better, but it comes back with no prompting from me, recently just as bad, and today I've found the exercises on the web, which I've printed off and gonna start doing again this evening. It's just come to mind though, that meno symptoms started at the same time but I didn't realise what was happening, I'm 55 on nov 1st (all saints day, ha ha) and reckon I've a way to go yet.... I take Jointace, menopace and primrose oil caps too. Thank you all so much for contributing to such a fantastic site. I seem to be on here so much now, and it's such a help. :hug:
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Hi there.
Iam a bit confused as i have never been part of a forum before.My daughter is on alot of them and has geave me some encouragement to try.My problem with my aches etc is difficult to determine because i have MS as well.I am still mobile thank god...but after reading your pages i think that what i have thought were ms symptoms have actualy been menapause symptoms.I have all the usual symptoms that you have mentioned and i am on quite alot of medication as i have a super ms nurse who helps me all the time.He and She are invaluable to me.I get very bad arm shoulder and hand aches which keeps me awake but i have got medication to help and it seems to be working so far.I have a fan in bedroom for the flushes.These mainly occur in the night and always just from the back of my neck upwards,My husband is an absolute gem as he has had alot to put up with over the years but he is 7years younger than me and perhaps not as up to scratch about the menapause as i would like him to be.Is there a booklet available that might be good for him to read.Im wittering on now so ill go now and await some replys...pleeeaaaasssssse
maggiemeh
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Hi Maggie - great to meet you :welcomemm:
If you click on All Things Menopause you will see a post titled Advice for Husbands. I think that he would find this very helpful. Bear in mind that not everyone gets all the symptoms though - it could be bit depressing! :)
Sorry to hear of your MS but so pleased that you have a good nurse to help you when you need it. Hot sweats are such a nuisance - we all sympathise with you. You will find loads of help and support on here which may enable you to tease out which are meno problems and which are MS symptoms.
Taz x
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Hi Taz
..........Thanks for getting back to meIts nice to know that you are out there to help.and i will appreciate all the help i can get.
I will certainly get hubby to read what youve suggested and will let you know how it goes.
Nice to meet you
Talk soon ...
maggie x
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Hi poppyrose,
When i read your post i just thought this could have been me writing this exact to yhr letter.especially the bit abou left hip and not being able to stand up straight first thing in the morning,being all bent over like an old womanMy problem is that because i have MS i am finding the symptoms difficult to understand if it is my MS playing up or my menopause playing up its so difficult and would drive you round the bend.
Keep all the info coming its most appreciated.
I am going to see my Gp on thursday so i will let you know how it goes.
maggie x
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God yes i have been getting out of bed like an old lady of 100 and whats with the stiff finger joints first thing.
I also find that i stiffen up if i sit and rest during the evening, when i go to get up the ankles struggle with walking. iv tried logging my diet, because i thought maybe it was something im eating. but i cant find any pattern there.
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Hi debbieanne
I have recentlt been to see my gp.She has started me on Climaval 1mg.It is still to early to tell if it is helping the joints as i havent noticd any change in the old woman syndrome.But i have noticed that the neck and face flusshes have not been as bad.Are you aon any HRT treatment at all?
Its a mystery to me how stiff you get and all this wrist carry on is so annoying.
Take care
maggie x
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IM NEW TO your site and can i start by saying its great.i am 44 years and dr told me im in menopause ,i have been suffering for ages with aches and pains worse in my right shoulder is this all down to the menopause ???i even had a cortozone injection to give me relife before i knew i was in menopause,but now i think this is whats causing it,i also have the night sweats ,headaches,tiredness,foggy heads,im due to get a mirena coil fitted and some hrt anyone no will this help,thanks
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I have had joint pains for years now my Knees are the main problem very painful at times & swollen but I do have other joint pains too, in fact most joints hurt at some point , can't remember 24 hours without pain
If really bad I take Diclofenac as prescribed but try not to reach maximum doze
then co-codamol at times which causes Constipation but helps me sleep , vicious circle
I find just to keep moving is best for me , and I have attended a Chiropractor for my back so the Sciatic pain is much relieved now
Jube
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Hi dianb
:welcomemm:
Your symptoms certainly do sound like meno to me. Hopefully HRT wll help you. Might be worth you starting a new thread on "New Members" as you might get missed in an old thread and others will want to welcome you, I'm sure.
Bette x
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I realise this thread was started in November but I have only just seen it and read through it.
I struggled with the pains in my body, my back, my arms and thighs for about 5 years - it increased over that time. It all coincided with peri and menopause. I had other symptoms though which seemed to cross over between thyroid, hormone and fibromyalgia. I reached a point I could not walk 500 metres without having to turn back and hobble home with the pains in my back and hips. If I tried swimming, I could not climb out of the pool or walk when I did get out. My body was like lead.
If I touch my thighs they feel as if they are bruised and sore (I still have that to a degree). I had an MRI scan and tests and in the end they confirmed I have fibromyalgia. I was advised to have injections into my lower spine and to take anti depressants and anti inflammatories. I decided not to do that immediately and look for alternatives.
I believe FM is a syndrome which is really the body in a state of crisis - physical, emotional, chemical, hormonal. I decided to tackle it from different angles. HRT, chiropractor and I found a fantastic physiotherapist who does myofascial release, trigger therapy, and kinetic chain release. He corrects short leg length which he has found causes many/most of the skeletal and muscular pains we have. I also realised that sugar exacerbates the FM pains so diet is important for me.
So, less than 9 months later, I have just walked around Paris for a weekend with only slight discomfort. I managed to walk around the local loch which I have not been able to do for 2 years. I sleep soundly, I rise in the morning without needing a car jack to straighten me up. I do still get some pains in my lower back and hip but I have learned how to use trigger point therapy on myself to release that pain and the frequency is much less than it was.
I tried Bowen Therapy although did not see much benefit from that personally on this occasion.
Reiki is very good for relaxation, stress reduction and a feeling of wellbeing. Yoga is great for stretching the muscles that have tightened and shortened. Unfortunately, I recently developed what has been described as tendonitis in both arms and wrists which restricted what I could do in yoga and I felt embarrassed I was so bad n the class. However, the yoga instructor has been fantastic and contacted me to explain how I can do moves in alternative ways and she said even if I sit in a chair to do some moves she would rather I was there, so I have decided to return this year.
My arms can be very very painful at times and I have to rest my hands and wear supports. However, I am going to go back to see the physio since he has said that frozen shoulder, pain in the neck and tennis elbow are often a direct result of the short leg length.
I take some ibuprofen or paracetemol from time to time for the pain, but that is down to 10% of the level it was.
For me, there has definitely been a big improvement by adopting a multi therapy approach and realising it is a work in progress with changes and adjustments needed.
I hope some of you have found similar ways to cope with the challenges you have described, and perhaps if you can try some of the therapies I have tried, you will find some relief.
Rhona x
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Hi Rhona - what a wonderful, positive post. Thank you for cheering up my morning!
I have had fibro for around eleven years and I can remember how ecstatic I was when I first managed a half mile walk after two years without being able to get quite that far! Now I can walk a two mile fast walk around three times a week. Any more than this and I get a relapse of the pain and fatigue. I have learnt to accept that I need to manage my condition. It took me a while to realise that I wouldn't get back to my pre PM fitness as regards walking and I did fight it for a few years I must admit.
I will make a note of the treatments which have worked for you so that if I need to I can give them a go. Was it expensive by the way - the physio with the myofascial release technique?
Taz :)
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Hi Taz.
Thanks for the feedback. I could genuinely imagine your feeling when ou managed to walk the first half mile and then to complete the fast walk. I am suffering yesterday and today after the weekend in Paris - but it is less than before, and I genuinely believe it is a stretch each time, because look how far you have come too although you still have the pain and fatigue. And absolutely right - it is about understanding and managing the condition.
The physio is around £30 per session. The chiro is £30 or £35. You can look for a chiro or physio who does the myofascial release and trigger point therapy, and you get the best of both worlds. It can take a bit of time to find one but worth the effort because they are already in the healing zone you need them to be in.
I did Reiki 1 myself and found it helped me while I practised on others and I am fortunate that I could have Reiki free occasionally if I wanted to through my Mum's group.
The specialist physio I referred to is quite unique in his approach. Sometimes someone comes along into your life and you realise they are very special indeed. He is one of those people. He combines all of the treatments but does not label them as that. He calls it Kinetic Chain Release and he has now started some 2 day learning courses to pass on this skill. He charges £100 per session. Very expensive I know, but I was with him for 3 hours on each occasion and was only there twice. I saved to go there. He works with disadvantaged groups free of charge and also with forces people who suffer badly from PTSD.
Anyway, I was going to try to send you a link about myofascial but there is quite a lot you can google. I know from our posts you are well informed and read up on subjects so I think you will get enough from the google option. Same with Trigger point therapy. It is a painful process, but one which has brought me so my improvement.
Yoga is cheaper and very good for relaxatin and stretching and strengthening muscles, if the rest is not viable - or to do alongside. If you have not tried it; Dru Yoga is about the person and the emotions, and not holding the position which an be very painful for me. Here is the DruYogaWorldwide link. You can find a local person through that or contact the local organiser to check if they know of anyone in your area. http://www.druworldwide.com/
Sometimes you can barter your skills for others if you can do something for them and you are short of money.
So pleased you have learned how to manage your condition. A positive attitude and a focus on improvement rather than on the pains etc. works wonders for mem and it seems to work for you too.
Okay - enough - war and peace from me. ::) I hope the information helps.
Rx
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Hi dianb
:welcomemm:
Your symptoms certainly do sound like meno to me. Hopefully HRT wll help you. Might be worth you starting a new thread on "New Members" as you might get missed in an old thread and others will want to welcome you, I'm sure.
Bette x
hi bette ,ive just read yr reply took a while lol .ive now been on hrt for a month and have the marina coil ,i am now beggining to feel alot better .back to myself ,thanks to this site and its imformation ,i no im not on my own ;D
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:( I have had OA since my early 30s- family history and road running- tut tut silly lady! Some days are better than others, I do yoga twice a week- this is fanbloody fantastic!!!!!!!! sorry for swearing but I love it- the teacher also talks about our femaleness and femininity, makes me feel more like a woman again. I am now on Amotryptelyne and arthrotec- down to 2 paracetomol per day- this is GOOD. I used to rrattle with all my painkillers. I know I'm too heavy- 12 and a half stone, anf 5 foot 7 is Too much, this I know but am trying to loose the excess bagage. Having a good husband and family helps and a positive frame of mind- my employer is great as well. I intend to kick ass my arthritis if it gives me too much gip! Valx
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Well Debbieanne - I read your post and recognised myself. I find it hard to understand WHY do I walk like a woman for 100 when I first get out of bed in the morning. My finger joints are stiff and now I feel my big Toe has started with the symptoms as well. My left elbow bone is so painful to touch all day. What have you tried to help the condition? I can`t take HRT so am desperate to try anything to improve ALL of my conditions!!
I have never been a one for medication, but lately I am trying every alternative remedy there is! :)
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Danzily - we call that "the monster walk" on here. The walk from the bedroom to the bathroom first thing is characterised by this sot of stiff gait and you do indeed feel about 90. I also had lots of pain in my finger joints so that doing up buttons etc was difficult and the first joint on the index finger was swollen and bumpy looking. When I started HRT these things disappeared. I had forgotten about them.. until I stopped HRT and it all came back within a few weeks. Once I re-started HRT the pain and stiffness disappeared. I had blamed a lot of this on my fibromyalgia but realise now that it was hormone related.
Sorry not to have an alternative to HRT to offer.
Taz x
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I think you are right about joint pain related to hormones in some cases. I have had a couple of instances of joint pain in the fingers and a couple of them looking swollen and bumpy, so much so that I went to my Doctors who sent me for bloods tests, they came back negative, and satisfactory for inflammation levels.
I realised that the symptoms had come on when I was doing my on- off phase of my patch according to what I was reading on internet. I have no symptoms now since my patch has been firmly in place.
silverlady x
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Hi Susan - Danzily has said that she can't take HRT. I am not sure what else would help though :-\
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Hello Danzly. You describe what many of us experience as menopause kicks in.
I have opted for HRT because of a combination of symptoms, and that is helping a great deal.
One of my friends started with anti inflamms, then tried HRT (although she decided it was not what she wanted to do), and now she finds exercise - gentle and slow to start with and building up, has made a HUGE DIFFERENCE (her words). She goes to the gym, swims and walks. She is losing weight slowly and she says the pains in her elbows and joints are much better and she does not have the painful uncurling in the morning.
Another friend has polysistic ovaries so her hormones are all over the place too. She finds that she cannot cope with the aches and pains every day without cod liver oil.
And a third friend swears by homeopathic treatment and has looked great throughout.
I guess it will be trial and error until you find something that suits you and you feel happy about. I hope you find something soon.
Rx
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I realised that the symptoms had come on when I was doing my on- off phase of my patch according to what I was reading on internet. I have no symptoms now since my patch has been firmly in place.
silverlady x
Hi Silverlady - I identified with that immediately. I changed patch types recently, they did not stick very well, and then one came off completely and was off for four days while I got a new prescription. The aches and pains returned quite quickly. I was not looking for them - they found me!
I have been back on the patch for 10 days and while the aches/pains are noticeably less they are still around. I am sure they will settle down in next week or so as patch hormones settle down again.
Rx
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Thank you to all of you for your comments/recommendations. I have been seeing a Homeopath, but I think she has been treating me more for my grief of losing my Mother than my physical symptoms. I am due to see her again on Monday so I am hoping we can move forward a little more. I also take Starflower Oil (1000mg) daily and Menopal (Black Cohosh and Red Clover). I was taking Calcium supplements and ran out of them, I realised after a few days that my "monster Walk" had improved slightly, but not a lot and when I think back, the aches and pains got progressively worse after starting to take the Calcium. So that might be a hint for some other ladies out there.
I have heard that Rosehip supplement is also good for Arthritis so I may try that in the future.
Walking doesn`t seem to help at all. And for the passed two /three weekends I have been doing very physical work in the garden at the end of which I thought my stomach was down by my knees (don`t know if I mentioned my menopause is the surgical kind after a total abdominal hysterectomy)
I think the next thing to try is swimming, but I`m not comfortable in my swimsuit until I`ve lost a little weight at least.
I have promised myself I am not going to be fat and fifty (July 2012), so I have 14 months to get my figure back! or as near to it as possible.
Thanks to all you lovely ladies. I know we are all suffering in our own ways, but finding out that things are actually common amongst us helps alleviate any worry!
Best wishes to you all
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Hello Danzily. Perhaps your pains are metaphysical and emotionally related. We have little idea of the physical effort of emotional traumas, anxiety, stress etc. I am so pleased the homeopath can help yoo udeal with your grief and perhaps the rest will improve too.
Sorry to hear about your physical constraints after gardening. Will it improve after a time or always be a challenge? I have not had a hysterectomy so cannot help with that.
What about a ladies night/session for swimming (if you have one nearby)? Would that work for you?
Honestly, I know what you mean about body image. I have gone waaaayyy downhill in the 4 years since I turned 50 (multiple reasons that would bore you to death to read). However, I have stamped my foot and trying to turn that around.
Do you have a plan to shed the weight for your 50th? Go, girl, Go girl!
Rx
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I am 53 and have only just stopped my periods this January. In the last month my neck shoulder and right hand have been really affected, especially my middle finger. I cannot grasp things for at least half a day before I feel the swelling goes down. I am right handed so it is particularly difficult. I've also had problems with my right knee. This must be caused by the menopause surely. I am due to go to my docs for advice. I was on HRT over 10 years ago for migraines as I've suffered with them all my life and they have become considerably worse since I was 44. I seem to have gone into the full blown menopausal symptoms with hot flushes, night sweats, achy joints, memory loss, loss of libido, dryness and mood swings. I was so happy a few months ago when finally I wasn't get migraines every day and now this. This is the only time I want to be a man!!!
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Hi jumpingju
:welcomemm:
I'm a bit confused by your comment I was on HRT over 10 years ago for migraines - do you mean the birth control pill? ??? If it helped. Maybe you should consider HRT now as it could help with your other symptoms too.
Maybe start a new thread on "New Members" to introduce yourself? Newbies can get missed in the middle of existing threads and others will want to welcome you. ;)
Bette x
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Hi Bette, no really I was on HRT. There was scientific proof that it helped with migraine sufferers. It helped me for a month and then it didn't. I was also put on the pill which made my migraines worse from then on. I am a little nervous about going on HRT because my sister was recently diagnosed with breast cancer and as there could be a risk........... I will be going to the doc soon to talk about ways and means because I've lost enough of my life with the damned migraines that I don't want to lose anymore with the menopause.
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Hi jumpingju
If you decide to try HRT, it may be worth asking for patches - this is from the Green Menu:-
Migraine
Migraine is often triggered by hormonal fluctuations and therefore may occur around the time of a period. Such migraine may improve at the time of the menopause. Some women find that migraine may be triggered by the daily hormone fluctuations which can occur with oral (tablet) HRT so the transdermal (patch or gel) route is usually preferred with a history of migraine.
Sorry to hear about your sister :hug: Do you know if her breast cancer is oestrogen-fed? If not, you shouldn't be at any more risk than anyone else.
Bette x
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Hi Bette, Sorry I didn't explain very well. It was the HRT patch. Yes my sister was oestrogen related and thank God it was caught early, she is fine but has regular checkups x
I am very duh at the moment and can't seem to figure out how to get on the new members. And when I reply to anyone do I do what I'm doing now, just press reply? only I haven't until now seen the message I'm replying to. I am very confused. Do you think I'm menopausal!!!! Ha!
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Hi jumpingju
To find "New Members" go to the front page of the forum, scroll down and click on "New Members". To start a new thread, click on the blue "New Topic" on the right.
Once you've clicked on "Reply" and the box has appeared to type in, you should be able to see the old posts if you scroll down a bit, I think - is that what you meant?
Have you thought of asking to be referred to a meno clinic? They're listed under "Find a Specialist" in the top menu.
Bette x
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Well I have just found this site by chance as was talking to a friend who is plagued with sinus problems as I am.Im sure its connected to lack of oestrogen. Comforting to know that I am not the only one who feel like I have been run over by a bus when I rise in the morning. Hurt all over and constantly tired. Underactive thyroid and high blood pressure now which wasnt tested by my doctor when I visited her on 6 occasions because of my painful head. Only on a preassessment for Hysterectomy was its discovered.Now under control but still having palpitations and headpain. This goes with all the other joint pain. Cant understand why the doctor cant diagnose the problem surely she must see hundred of women of my age 60-64 with these symptoms. Had test for PMR and these where normal.
Sick of feeling ill with no interest in life. Should have know it would be like this for me my mother suffered with hot flushes and depression till the day she died at 69.
The only place I dont hurt is when I swim but it takes a lot of motivation to get there and getting dry is the worst thing.
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Hi glo
:welcomemm:
Have they offered you any treatment now that they've realised what's going on? ::)
Bette x
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No Bette nobody can give me a diagnosis. You get embaarrassed keep going to the doctors so in the end you dont bother as all they prescribe is another pain killer. Does anyone suffer with migraine too.Had them when I was 12 then free until my 40s. Now they are wiping me out for several days. So sick of being in pain.Makes me very tearful. There isnt anywhere that doesnt hurt. Now knees are shot. Cant face the thought of an op for new knee as the recovery is the worst part not the op.Ask the doctor for a prescription for a gun but wasnt forthcoming.
Look back and remember how active and positive I used to be and makes me so sad.Husband says I have worked too hard all my life but thats the kind of person I am like to do for others.
Nice to get it off my chest.
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Hi glo
Why not start a thread on "New Members" and introduce yourself? Newbies often get missed in the middle of existing threads and others may have some suggestions for you.
Bette x
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I started getting a dull achey feeling in my arms and wrists -muscular it seems, a few months ago.
I put it down to the tension in my shoulders, as I am going thro a depression / stress struggle at the moment. My lovely masseur lady found loads of tension in my upper back which she is acually getting rid of!
But the dull aches continue. But, fortunatly when I do some aerobic exercise ie go on the bike at the gym, it's as if my body is literally warmed up, and all the pain goes.
My doctor didn't seem very interested as she said 'the pain goes with exercise'..
So I suppose that she is pleased that I have a real reason to go on that bike!
I am on low dose HRT, and 10mg anti dep..
Thank you :)
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hello Glo, welcome, I joined in and found a life line.
Back to the roginal thread, I have a mutlitude of aches and pains, same as all I have read here.
Doctor does not taket them seriously, just ums and ums.
It is completely dibilitating at times.
I am 57.
Dr currie, if you are with us so far, I try to cope but most of the time life is a misery with the aches and pains.
I have medicatiob for blood pressure,
medicatiob for cholesterol
medication for depression
medication for sleeping
gel for ache and pains.
I take a multi vit and cod liver oil
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p.s. I also have had problems beyond endurance with sinas stuff, all my g.p. has given me is NAZONEX and anti histamine, they don't work at all.
I have said so many times they don't work, but I think it is to do with the mno because it has been much worse for abot 5 years. I just live with it. But it would be interesting if it was proved it was - do many people have this sudden trouble?
I KNOW it isn't hay fever. I just know.
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Well seraphina my snotty nose drives me mad.Had the problem for years and gradually got worse.Nazonex doesnt work and my blocked sinus on the right wakes me up at night as I cant breathe. Just been to see ENT consultant.Says my sinuses are perfect does no why I have a constant snotty nose.So there you are the experts dont know so put up with it.He was male of course.I personally think all these problems are connectedto lack of oestrogen. Has anyone read Dr John Lees book on the wonder of natural progesterone.His theory is we are all oestrogen dominant.My gynie bloke tells me its dangerous to use so who can we believe.You read all the testiments from regular users but can you believe they are real people or is it just to sell the product.It was originally £25.00 per tub but has come down to £17.00.
By the way I am 65 this year and can honestly say that since age 50 its been all down hill.Lost my spark and enthusiasm for most things.Sick of having pain, had back op didnt help now knees are a problem.Swimming is the only relief from pain but that difficult with painful knees,Everything is an effort and brain fog is a real issue.Need to sleep to clear it.Does anyone else get brain fog.
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Hello Dr Currie and all the others who have contributed to this thread . so far I have only read the first three pages and the last page . It is a relief to hear of women talking about getting out of bed and hobbling around and having to hold onto things . I am 46 and for the past six months this has been my experience. None of my friends are going through this so I cannot talk to them about this. A dear friend of mine who is five years older was subtley weighing up her life against mine and when i told her i had given up smoking five years ago she said 'Is that all?' I found her comment discouraging. Some good news !!! Last night I was able to ride my bike home. I usually have to dismount but I rode home slowly and had the image of the tortoise in my mind. As the cars whizzed past I managed not to get caught up in the pace . This, for me, is a minor acheivement. the misstake i have made many times in my life is that I need to do everything with speed. But last night , I heard birds on the way home, my legs didnt painfully ache and i was not exhausted when i walked through the door. I am so happy about this . I am sad to learn of how many people are suffering with aches and pains and wish everyone perseverance in their quests to find relief from pain and discomfort. Thank you Bette for letting me know about this thread
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Eliza
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Oh Hi
I forgot to say I have been on Evorel Sequi patches ( HRT ) since August 2010. I do not experience hot flushes anymore and the patches never come off. I dont drink, smoke or have not drunk coffe for nearly a year now . This has upped the tea drinking though. I need to lose at least a stone in weight. And am heading off to weight watchers on monday. It worked for me in the past.
x
Eliza
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I just assumed that all my aches were arthritis due to old age. ::) 58
Does this mean it will get better once hormones settle down? Its been about 12 years so far!!
I am beginning to say NO to OH when he expects me to carry heavy feed bags, gates etc. I am fed up of being in real pain for days after.
I use Glocosamine with chondrite, cod liver oil and garlic. The last also helps keep our lovely Scottish midgies at bay!!
Dr told me to take Vit B for PMT/tension headaches and I have taken Evening Primrose on and off for years for PMT.
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Hi Susan
I know a lot of the aches and pains are worse if I'm stressed.
I went to a Yoga class a few years back to try and relive the pains, the teacher said just to do what I could and stop when sore!!
After about 5 min I gave up. She came over and felt my neck, in a shocked voice she asked if I was stressed.
I replied ' I'm a teacher, a working mother and a farmer, of course I'm stressed!! ' :bang: :bang:
Poor woman thought I was trying to be funny ;D
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I have to find a special technique in order to get out of bed with the least pain in the mornings now. My back kills me, my knees are hot and painful and now my ankles are swollen and "tight" in the mornings. I hobble to the bathroom, look in the mirror and just want to cry!!
Apparently it's arthritis but I'm sure the meno has something to do with it.
I tried all the vitamins and glucosamine etc. but don't think it helped really.
I've just started on HRT so it'll be interesting to see it that makes any difference to all the aches and pains.
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Hi Susan - have you got Rheumatoid Arthritis as you mention your Rheumatologist?
Taz x
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Hi Susan - poor you having to suffer both types of pain. Polyarthritis is when five or more joints are affected I believe. My dad had this before going on to develop rheumatoid in his sixties. The management of rheumatoid is different to osteo as this is an autoimmune disorder. Have you been tested for lupus which can give the same sort of symptoms.
As for the fibro pain I think this is different to arthritic pain to be honest and, of course, there is not swelling with fibro. I always feel as if my fingers, hands and feet will look very swollen but they don't actually swell up.
It is important to keep your condition monitored as, should it turn to rheumatoid, then prompt treatment can lessen the damage. Try not to "soldier" on if it does get worse. You can find out more about the different types of arthritis here http://www.arthritisresearchuk.org/arthritis_information/arthritis_types_and_symptoms.aspx
Taz x
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There are many, many good studies linking D3 deficiency to autoimmune disease. I hope it is true. I have had no luck with glucosamine and nsaids cause lots of bad things for me.
Vitamin D Deficiency Linked to Autoimmune Diseases
Study Also Shows Lack of Vitamin D May Also Be Linked to Some Cancers
By Salynn Boyles
WebMD Health News
Reviewed by Laura J. Martin, MD
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Aug. 23, 2010 -- There is now biologic evidence to back up the belief that vitamin D may protect against autoimmune diseases and certain cancers.
A new genetic analysis lends support to the idea that the vitamin interacts with genes specific for colorectal cancer, multiple sclerosis, type 1 diabetes, and other diseases, says Oxford University genetic researcher Sreeram Ramagopalan.
The study is published in Genome Research.
When Ramagopalan and colleagues analyzed the binding of vitamin D receptors to gene regions previously identified with different diseases, they found evidence of increased binding for multiple sclerosis, Crohn's disease, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, colorectal cancer, and chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL).
"Genes involved in autoimmune disease and cancer were regulated by vitamin D," Ramagopalan tells WebMD. "The next step is understanding how this interaction could lead to disease."
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Hi everyone
I have these strange pains - first thing in a morning when I wake up. First move of wrists and fingers or elbows hurts. Similarly with my feet - I wobble while making first few steps. It is as if something was accumulating there as it gets better when I rub it and move a bit. I've noticed it happens when I let go on exercising. This became a sign to me that time has come to move my body and transport it to gym.
I am on HRT for years, just turned 56.
Regards,
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Hi Susan
I am on HRT nearly 10 years now. It is hard to say how it is helping for aches but I know for sure that when on lower doses I am packing for grave so, at least I make to a gym while I am on it, if you know what I mean :o
:-*
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I walk a bit like acrab first thing in the am when I get up
it was explained by Chiropodist and GP that the tendons tighten in the night as we get older
So it takes a few mins for them to stretch out again in the morning another thing to blame for lack of hormones
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Hi
HRT and exercise has helped me. Particular exercise is core muscle strength and resistance exercise. The difference is amazing. I do take menopause + and notice a difference if I do not take it.
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Having had another absolutely frustrating and typically uhelpful visit to my GP this evening I thought I would log onto this site to see if I can find some better advice from you lovely ladies out there and I wasnt wrong!
Although I am a bit confused and would welcome any advice - I'm just coming upto 40 and am currently taking Kliofem HRT and have been for about 3 years now. I am suffering with crippling headaches every month on the right hand side of my head which feel like someone has their hand inside my head and is trying to push my eye out and even the top of my head is tender and also suffer with tenderness in the right hand side of my neck. After reading this thread I am coming to the realisation that other muscle tenderness and stiffness that I feel every day (wrists, fingers, cramp in my legs) is probably related to menopause not the general passing of time :)
The reason I'm slightly confused is that I notice that a lot of people have recommended going onto HRT and said that this helped their symptoms but I've been taking it for ages and I just seem to be getting worse ....
The headaches I get are evil and are only relieved by taking co-codamol which I dont want to be taking on a regular basis but nothing else relieves the pain.
I've recently started taking glucosamine and cod liver oil tablets as well - I also have an under active thyroid and take levothyroxine for that as well (I try to convince myself i'm not fallling to bits ;D)
I am now wondering if there is a possibility I have fybromyalgia??
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Hi Lozzer - the headache you describe sounds like migraine to me. Has this been mentioned to you? Had you stopped your periods for a year before you began HRT? I believe Kliofem is a continuous one and wonder if it is the correct one for you at your young age. Migraine is listed as a side effect.
Taz x
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Hi folks,
I am 55 and have been having severe pains in my feet, legs, hands and elbows for the last few months. Had numerous tests - rheumatoid factors negative, bloods showed vit D deficiency and decreased kidney function last year, which have improved a bit,but GP has all but washed her hands of me because I don't fit into any category that can be 'proved'. Also had major fatigue and was off work 8 weeks last autumn. Steady improvement re: the fatigue, but recently knees have flared up big time, to the point where I couldn't hardly weight bear on my right. I am a physio so have found all this very distressing and embarrassing, hobbling around at work (I now work in cardiac rehab leading exercise classes!!) Very difficult indeed to keep positive. At night the pain is burning in nature, especially in my feet ankles and shins, and I can't lie on my side because of the right knee pain, so I am awake quite a lot of the time. Anyway - I have been reading a book on self healing called 'How your mind can heal your body' by David Hamilton and it has really helped me. It involves visualisation techniques, and also delves into quantum physics but is highly readable. The scientific element really resonates with me. I feel that my body has rewired the pain pathways to read PAIN PAIN PAIN when there is really no need to.
I also went to see a physio last week who has really helped me to focus on the right management of my knee by telling me what to do! I was floundering around trying everything I knew from my 20 year toolkit, very hard to treat yourself I can tell you. So . . . . . I have started to lose weight (less stress through the joints can only help) I was about 3/4 stone over what I like to be -I have lost 5 lbs already, bought a bike to help me get generally fit, and give my dog some exercise, as she was missing her walks, which I am riding every day (with my dog trotting alongside) by the canal, and am starting to believe that I am going to heal, get strong and keep well. I am working on my nutrition big time, so that everything I have (apart from the odd glass of wine and some real ale occasionally) is good for me. We grow a lot of our own veg, so I feel lucky in that respect. Hope some of these things help, I am prone to negativity, so this whole 'poz thinking' exercise is really helping too. Long may it last, will let you know!!
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Hi Lozzer - the headache you describe sounds like migraine to me. Has this been mentioned to you? Had you stopped your periods for a year before you began HRT? I believe Kliofem is a continuous one and wonder if it is the correct one for you at your young age. Migraine is listed as a side effect.
Taz x
Hi Taz - when I went to the GP this week he said it sounded like a tension headache but it is so painful and all the joints on the right hand side of my neck are painful to touch - when my headache is at its worst it feels like someone has battered me round the bottom of my skull with a baseball bat it is that painful.
I'm thinking about asking my Gp to be referred to my local menopause clinic as my GP just doesnt bring menopause into the conversation at all when I'm there so I feel a bit in the dark and wonder if some specialist advice might help .......
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Hi Lozzer
Welcome to MM. You may have something like fibro going on as well so perhaps you could get your Doc to refer you to a rhumey to get it checked out, its easy to put every thing down to meno.
I'm with Taz on the Kliofem, I was on that for 6 weeks and am very post meno. Unless you have had a hyster maybe.
You really need a HRT that gives you a bleed as you are only 39 and presumably peri not post?
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Hi Susan
No I'm post I started going through the meno around the age of 33 - I havent had a hyster either and there is no history of early menopause in my family. Think I need to push the subject with my GP more or like I've mentioned to taz, discuss whether i'd be better being referred as it feels like my gp is gropsing in the dark as well - i recently went there with itching symptoms and went through all the tests to see if i had an STD etc (which would have been embarrasing if it was the case as i've been with OH 15 years !) and it was only after reading this site and being referred to a gyno that I got pres for vagifem and thyroid tests done...
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I was on Kliovance for around 10 years and came off it cold turkey - okay for three weeks and then the flushes came back as bad as ever. Spoke to doctor who told me to wean myself off them, which I did for two years. I stopped taking them around two months ago and get an occasional hot moment, but I can cope with that. However, I noticed my knee quite sore, finger joints and shoulders stiff - not agony, but not nice. Then when I was taking my antihistamine last night I saw my phial of Kliovance, and that started me thinking. I decided to take one last night, and I actually feel a lot better tonight. What can I do about this? Should I visit my doctor to discuss?
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Ways I have dealt with the pain.
Pressure on muscles that have become tight
Ibuprofen and paracetamol together when bad
Exercise - lots of it – swimming, running, cycling, dancing , gym, pilates – getting my core as strong as I can
Sleep when I need it
Massage
Osteopathy
Clicking joints helps in short term for me - exercise is the cure with HRT - getting stronger very slowly - I have decreased my pain by at least 70% Why didn't someone help me to get here sooner?
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Hi Dr Currie
I've been taking Glucosamine for a few years now, having discovered it by chance one day. I was suffering from a tendon injury in my shoulder and was in the chemist to but (yet more) pain killers. The pharmacist gave me a free sample of glucosamine gel, which I appled as soon as I got home. The results were immediate. The pain lessened within a few hours and although it didnt disappear, it became manageable. I then researched it online and now take it every day. I also have low back pain, especially after the gym - although glucosamine doesnt entirely kill the ache, it certainly helps to keep it in check. It's good stuff!
PG
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Sandi,
After reading you post I too bought the book, (well several actually) by David R Hamilton. I am reading the Positive thinking one and you are right, fantastic book. It does put everything into perspective, and makes it easier into how the body and mind work together.
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I was at a business session with David Hamilton as the speaker a couple of months ago. His theme was The Contagious Power of Thinking - his new book - and he related it to business and personal life. He was an excellent speaker and held the complete attention of the small audience (sometimes more difficult than a huge audience). His work is very powerful and obviously backed by science - which some people need to get through the scepticism of trying to believe the 'unseen'.
If you get the chance to see him, please go along. He is very motivational.
For those in Scotland, he has often attended at Tir na nOg, and is listed as one of their visiting teachers. I don't think he is scheduled to be there this year, but worth keeping an lookout.
Fx
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Hi wiggles - :welcomemm:
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Firewalker50, thank you for telling us about David R Hamilton, I have just signed up for his newsletter and will investigate his books, he sounds my kind of man ??? but seriously I had not heard of him but am interested in what he has to say.
silverlady x
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I too have signed up for his newsletter, and Facebook. His books are so good and very easy to read. You can also find him on Youtube.
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I googled Menopause Forum and this popped up, glad I found it. I have been trawling my way through this post but have not read all of it yet...
I am 49 and earlier this year started with the night time hot flushes which are now becoming more frequent in the day. I was horrified to read they may go on for another 10 years! I haven't had a decent nights sleep in months, flapping the bedclothes on and off. It nearly always triggers a flush when I roll over it drives me mad!
One reason I'm writing this is around March this year I developed terrible low back pain/deep hip type pain which gets worse as the day goes on, also when I twist I can feel my spine clicking, almost like osteoporosis is setting in. I was concerned as in June I had abdo pains, the doc did loads of bloods and I was convinced I had ovarian cancer, the CA25 test was negative and I had lots of internals all of which proved normal, my GP is ending me for a scan to reassure me. I was convinced the back pain was linked to some gynae problem. I am now wondering if my back pain is a result of hormonal changes and it's part of the peri-menopause, I feel stiff like an old person in the morning but the back ache just is with me all day, worse at the end of the day and I often get a dragging feeling in my pelvis when emptying the shopping trolley or dishwasher, your imagination runs riot, I am now thinking it could be a prolapse but my internals were OK, I suppose the scan will tell me this. I am getting paranoid thinking I have all kinds of things wrong with me but on reading others experiences maybe it's just the menopause? I can't take 10 more years of this I feel so old!
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Hi gillybean
Have just welcomed you on your "Newbie" thread.
Just to say that paranoid thinking is a peri symptom too! :o ;D
Bette x
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Come the end of the day I am hobbling round like an 80 year old, what will I be like if I feel like this now? It's only pain when I move though I don't think I'd cope with anything other than a desk job which thankfully I'm in right now. I tend to sit still most nights on the sofa which doesn't help the ever increasing under boob extra tummy!
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I was so relieved to see that other women have had many of the same symptoms as me. I suspect many have also felt that they were "losing it" too. I have suffered badly with joint pain in my knees, which have arthritic changes, and with my shoulders and feet. However, six years ago I was able to walk miles and dance in high heels - the change occurred rapidly and now I often feel like a really elderly women because of the restrictions I can experience. What I am concerned about besides the pain is the fact that this limited mobility as well as the level of pain can really change - on the occasional day, I feel more lilke the ME I knew for many years. I have been in the menopause overally for eleven years and at times I feel really low with it all.
I use Starflower oil, fish oils and glucosamine each day. I am allergic to anti-inflammatory drugs and aspirin and cant take HRT. I did try some herbal remedies, but ended up with migraine and high blood pressure from sage and red clover respectively.
I would be interested to know if anyone else has had a similar exprience. Also, my memory is terrible
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Hello Kate.
Have you tried a homeopathist who will tailor something to suit you rather than trial and error off the shelf which most of us do? My friend went through menopause with occasional visits to her homeopathist and swore by it.
Or Herbalism?
Or Acupuncture?
Or Chiropractic?
or a combination?
I believe there was a study done that showed the majority of people with fibromyalgia were female, menopausal and consequentially low oestrogen count. If you could get something with the homeopathist or herbalist that would compensate for that, perhaps it would make a difference.
Rx
Rhona x
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This is from the UK Fibro site "Aggravating factors - Changes in weather, cold or draughty environments, hormonal fluctuations (premenstrual and menopausal states), stress, depression, anxiety and over-exertion can all contribute to symptom flare-ups."
Taz x
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Yep - all of those Taz ....... Particularly the over-exertion when I tried to clean my house for visitors coming. One day of vigorous cleaning and ended up in bed with 2 days off work with pains in every fibre of my body. Waving my arms or wiping/cleaning motion is particularly bad for me.
Or any exercise to overcome it, made it worse!
Stress of travelling for work with delays and tight timings brought on an attack afterwards.
Probably most of the ladies on here can tell similar and worse stories.
I know the supplementation of hormones with HRT and the chiropractic did help in managing it and I feel the symptoms are around 30% of what they were (not scientifically measured though :D).
Fx
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Hi Susan
I typed a response but the site seemed to close down then I could not remember the thread - time to go home!
From wrist to elbow or elbow to shoulder can become very sore as if every fibre is throbbing and almost stinging inside and yes a feeling of cold. It gets worse if I use my arms actively, or if I have sugar or alcohol in general. I am not sure if that is the same as you describe.
I am much better now than I was a year ago and I find that naproxan or anadin express ibuprofen (specifically), helps me to recover quickly, whereas a year ago, nothing helped.
I did go to a fantastic party last Saturday, had alcohol and danced until the wee sma' hours - and then could not use my ankles, arms and legs without pain relief for about 3 days! Was worth it though ;D
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Sorry everyone else I'm new to this forum but I have to say that on reading all your subsequent posts I wonder if a rheumatology appointment wouldn't be a good idea for all of you who are suffering from joint pain if you haven't already been down that route?
I'm in the opposite position of having been diagnosed by my GP with RA and then found that it probably wasn't after my consultation with the rheumy and after my symptoms disappeared completely 2 weeks ago. I'm sure it's all been menopausal now but as with RA the symptoms vary so immensely from person to person that it's hard to find out where we slot in sometimes? A month ago I was in a lot of pain (but have never had visible swelling as most get with RA it seems) and had decided to assume it was RA and was completely of the opinion that I was post-menopausal and now it's the other way round?!!
Hey ho - I'd rather have menopausal joint pain any day than RA but people please be aware that you can be sero- negative for RA and still have it so get your ESR checked out and push to see a rheumatologist if you are having joint pains with or without swelling or positive blood results. A lot of my problems have been in my fingers so I'm still going to see the rheumatologist in November and ask about other things such as fibro and osteo arthritis which I think might be the problem actually. Cheers and good night sleep well fellow menopausal people! Mat
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Hi folks,
I am 55 and have been having severe pains in my feet, legs, hands and elbows for the last few months. Had numerous tests - rheumatoid factors negative, bloods showed vit D deficiency and decreased kidney function last year, which have improved a bit,but GP has all but washed her hands of me because I don't fit into any category that can be 'proved'. Also had major fatigue and was off work 8 weeks last autumn. Steady improvement re: the fatigue, but recently knees have flared up big time, to the point where I couldn't hardly weight bear on my right. I am a physio so have found all this very distressing and embarrassing, hobbling around at work (I now work in cardiac rehab leading exercise classes!!) Very difficult indeed to keep positive. At night the pain is burning in nature, especially in my feet ankles and shins, and I can't lie on my side because of the right knee pain, so I am awake quite a lot of the time. Anyway - I have been reading a book on self healing called 'How your mind can heal your body' by David Hamilton and it has really helped me. It involves visualisation techniques, and also delves into quantum physics but is highly readable. The scientific element really resonates with me. I feel that my body has rewired the pain pathways to read PAIN PAIN PAIN when there is really no need to.
I also went to see a physio last week who has really helped me to focus on the right management of my knee by telling me what to do! I was floundering around trying everything I knew from my 20 year toolkit, very hard to treat yourself I can tell you. So . . . . . I have started to lose weight (less stress through the joints can only help) I was about 3/4 stone over what I like to be -I have lost 5 lbs already, bought a bike to help me get generally fit, and give my dog some exercise, as she was missing her walks, which I am riding every day (with my dog trotting alongside) by the canal, and am starting to believe that I am going to heal, get strong and keep well. I am working on my nutrition big time, so that everything I have (apart from the odd glass of wine and some real ale occasionally) is good for me. We grow a lot of our own veg, so I feel lucky in that respect. Hope some of these things help, I am prone to negativity, so this whole 'poz thinking' exercise is really helping too. Long may it last, will let you know!!
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Gosh Sandi I am scrolling through these posts re joint pain and your experience really echos with my own. Re the blood tests I'm sure you know this but you can be sero negative and still have RA so I wouldn't let that put you onto the wrong trail. I'm the other way round with a low positive rheumatoid factor but don't know the result of the anti-ccp test the rheumy ordered so assuming that means it must be negative as it's been several months now since it was taken.
I realise this is some months on since you posted this and wonder how you are getting on with the cycling? I have used this nightmare period of joint pain (which I was told was probably rheumatoid/ arthritic rather than due to menopausal but I disagree with the GP now) to shift weight also. I too was 4 stone over my target weight and knew if I went for the calorie counting I would get nowhere so decided to cut out gluten initially. Recently, having plateaued after losing 2 stone slowly but surely, I cut out dairy and caffeine also and am shifting some more weight now. I'm conscious of needing to keep my calcium levels up re joints and bones etc so am eating a homemade meusli of nuts and seeds with berries every morning for breakfast. Also learnt from the RA site (NRAS) that it is good to cut out caffeine and sugar in order to detox first thing so I have replaced my old cuppa with a cup of hot water with lemon and only drink herbal teas now. I walk for about 6 miles a day with the dog and when the joint pain was particularly bad in knees, ankles and feet I still walked and found it did not seem to get any worse for doing this.
I think the whole thing has been menopausal actually and suspect the RA has been a red herring for me because all the joint pain disappeared once i had my first period in a year and a half a few weeks ago and this can't just be a coincidence. On the other hand it coincided with the quitting of dairy and caffeine so I'll have to re-introduce these I guess if I want to find out more conclusively. Can't face it quite yet though! I hope the cycling and alternative healing techniques worked for you. The trouble with RA is that the drugs they put you on are so darned toxic that it all gets rather scary but at the same time the thought of joints being eroded by ones own auto-immune system turning in on itself is scary too. You must know a lot being a physio - our chief physio here is the main point of contact between me and the rheumy and I know her a bit socially too. She sat in on my rheumatology consulatation. I don't think I've got RA but am not going to quit the list yet because it would be sod's law that it all comes roaring back if I do that and you wait half a year here to see a rheumy! MATx
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OH MY GOSH just found this website and its so good to read im not the only one !!!! Im 43 was told i was in early menopause about a year ago by one doctor then said i wasnt by another...arghhh i then moved to a new surgery and and was told i was perimenopausal come december this year i will be post menopausal (hopefully)...i feel so old i walk like an old person my whole body aches especially the sides of my feet, i struggle to do thing now, some days are good and some are bad ..i take exercise but cant seem to lose weight my body feels so bad afterwards but know i have to do it ...i feel so unhappy i stuggle to sleep with the sweats, i cant remember anything and i get very low of mood, and have no motivation. I feel a bother at the doctors and feel very alone. I feel bad towards my partner as i have no energy and am like a changed person, marina coil has been offered and hrt to but dont really like taking drugs have just started taking cod liver oil and glaucsoinde and also flash fighters from holland and barrett. sorry to go on but its such a relief to get thing off my chest.
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Hi Nooks, I'm a newbie too as of today. I found this site whilst searching for answers as to why my feet, fingers & hip are hurting so much recently.
As well as all the other symptoms I have that are straight off the "you're in perimenopause" checklist.
I'm 41
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Hi nookes
:welcomemm:
HRT isn't really a "drug" as such - at your age, you'd only be replacing hormones which your body should be producing anyway and it would help protect your heart and bones as well as helping with the horrible symptoms. Might be worth considering. ???
Newbies can get missed in the middle of existing threads, so why not introduce yourself on "New Members"? Then others can welcome you. ;)
Bette x
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Hi everyone, I cannot express how grateful I am for this wonderful forum! I have been messaging under other headings over the last few days - my first ever forum experience! I am sad to hear so many of you suffering from joint aches but relieved to hear that it appears to form part of the menopause. My GP diagnosed osteoarthritis and said there was nothing to be done apart from pain killers. Like many of you I walk around like a 90 year old (I am 55) when I first get up and my quality of life is not as I want it. The connection with Frankenstein is very apt!! I became very low after hearing this was it for life now and tried to cope as best I could. Then I read a book about HRT and asked my GP to prescribe. I took my first tablet yeaterday and feel quite hopeful.
I cannot remember who said it but I too have an awful memory which has got worse over the last 2 years. I linked it with ceasing a brain taxing job after 23 years!
Will the HRT help - I hope so, but I just wanted to thank you all for being there and taking the time to share everything. Fantastic community of great people. x x
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OH MY GOSH just found this website and its so good to read im not the only one !!!! Im 43 was told i was in early menopause about a year ago by one doctor then said i wasnt by another...arghhh i then moved to a new surgery and and was told i was perimenopausal come december this year i will be post menopausal (hopefully)...i feel so old i walk like an old person my whole body aches especially the sides of my feet, i struggle to do thing now, some days are good and some are bad ..i take exercise but cant seem to lose weight my body feels so bad afterwards but know i have to do it ...i feel so unhappy i stuggle to sleep with the sweats, i cant remember anything and i get very low of mood, and have no motivation. I feel a bother at the doctors and feel very alone. I feel bad towards my partner as i have no energy and am like a changed person, marina coil has been offered and hrt to but dont really like taking drugs have just started taking cod liver oil and glaucsoinde and also flash fighters from holland and barrett. sorry to go on but its such a relief to get thing off my chest.
Hi Nookes, I am new too and agree, what a great forum. I have also been feeling your symptoms but could never really work out why. I had a bad experience with a new boss after 23 years in my job and finally had to leave, I put everything down to this but realise now my symptoms could be the menopause. I agree it makes it better to share and realize you are not alone. The glucosamine and cod liver oil helped me a lot, takes a couple of months to notice. I have also just started HRT. Keep your chin up and good luck. Purplenanny x x
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This is one of the sections that has helped me the most. Until I read these posts I thought that I was just deteriorating faster than most ;D I too get joint aches in hips, knees and worse of all feet. I have to say that this was one of the most unexpected and shocking symptoms I've experienced so far.
I'm really sorry for anyone with these aches and pains, but I have to say that I feel so much better in knowing that this is part and parcel of this time of life and that there are others in the same boat as me.
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I too get joint aches in hips, knees and worse of all feet. I have to say that this was one of the most unexpected and shocking symptoms I've experienced so far.
I'm trying to get my head around walking like my Nan when I'm only 41.
Up to a couple of years ago I was very athletic, I could run 5 miles and cycle 100 in a day (just). Now I hobble to the loo :(
Is this really going to be the same for the rest of my life? That's just not fair.
My OH is 44 and after a lifetime of being overweight & lazy, he's finally getting into fitness while I'm going the opposite way. His libido is sky high as ever and I just don't want to know :'(
I'm being kinder to myself, and crossing some stuff off my endless daily "to do" lists - I'm building in time to just sit in the garden reading a book instead of dashing around it weeding & tidying.
I'm also squirrelling a bit of the housekeeping money away for little treats to pick me up when I'm feeling esp. low: a new lipstick or shoes ;D
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I have just found this site today after visiting the docs yet again yesterday with exreme joint muscle pain! I have had night sweats and hot flushes for 5 years or so now and insomnia the aches have been getting steadily worse . I cant move in bed for the pain and also walk like a 90 year old , actualy my gran is 96 and looks better than I feel :-\ I have been researching alternative treatment , does anyone know about Maca and results also Menoquin? I feel lkie we could all spend lots of money trying things that dont work . where do we start ? after reading some info I will start with glucosomine , I cant take high dose anti inflamatory because of oteher meds :( Any advise would be great Iwas laid up for 4 days this month and most days its a real struggle !!
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Hi Sunny
I don't know about Maca and Menoquin. I, too, could hardly turn over in bed, particularly due to the pain in lower back and down the sides of my thighs. I hobbled in the morning. Uninterrupted sleep, could not get up in the morning and if I did any exertion I could be in bed for a couple of days with screaming pains throughout my body. I could only walk about 500metres and I struggled to hold down my job. I had to restrict travelling because I could not walk from one airplane to another in the airport. Even a massage was extremely painful. In the end, I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia. At one point had FM and also tendonitis - linked. (I have posted this before so apologies for those who have already read it).
Believe it or not, regular Chiropractic, myofascial release, HRT for a year and very, very occasional anti inflamms (like naproxen or anadin express ibuprofen) has turned my situation around and it is so much better. (although chiro is for skeleton, it has an effect on all the organs and muscles in our body if it is misaligned). I am currently not taking oestrogen (stopped beginning August) and so far only little aches. The again, I am not at chiro at the moment either. I should really go every month as 'maintenance'.
My colleague at work told me yesterday about diclofenac with potassium (from Boots). She was suffering similar and her joints were aching badly. Her OH has an arthritis hip (both are still in their 40s). They saw them advertised, bought it to try and took one pill. They said they both felt as if they had a new body. I have no experience of it though so it is word of mouth from them, but it may be worth considering on the extremely painful days if it is something you can take.
I am so sorry you feel so bad, Sunny and I don't have the experience of Maca or Menoquin.
But perhaps some of the above is of help.
Fx
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Yes be careful with anti inflammatories. I am suffering from a chronic pain condition in my feet legs knees elbows upper arms and shoulders, and the only thing which touches the pain is Ibuprofen. Unfortunately my kidney function deteriorated when I was taking them regularly, but is improving again now. I have decided to 'sit' with my pain now, explore it more and see where it is taking me. I have been practising mindfulness which involves breathing into the pain, non judgementally, and letting it go with kindness into the earth. Worth trying . . . . . . . I am sick of painkillers, even tried Amytriptiline recently because I was so desperate for sleep, but I felt as if I was pinned down to the mattress by giant magnets under the bed! The pain in my shoulders has been worse since from being so still all night. The trouble was that my mind was active. Torture. Then my heart rate went up to 120 bpm all day. Went for some Bowen technique the other day which has changed things a bit, so might pursue that avenue for now. It is like drowning, looking for an answer. Probably it is all tied with the emotional aspects of the menopause. The Bowen practitioner wants me to try EFT (emotional freedom technique), but don't want to swap and change about too much. Keep smiling lovely ladies!!! :) ;D ::)
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Hi Sandi, sorry to hear of all your pain - I was also worried about taking too many anti-inflamatory pills because of my kidneys. Although my gp seemed quite happy to prescribe me a pot of 100!! I like the sound of mindfullness, are you able to explain it a bit more?
Oh and you did make me laugh at your description of the magnets under the bed - not really funny I know, sorry
Keep smiling :)
Purplenanny x x
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Hi Sandi
I relate to what you have written. My daughter and I have also tried Bowen and had results with that. EFT would sit alongside it although you may wish to see what results you get from each.
Bowen will re-train your muscles to go back to what they were. EFT would deal with the issues which cause the pain, so that ideally would keep the muscles etc. in the re-trained position. So both should work side by side (simplified).
I like your mindfulness approach. I am aware of it but had not tried it. Thanks for reminding me of it. It would be good to read more about your technique if you will post.
Fx
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Hello again,
The mindfulness approach is based on a Buddhist practice which is basically being in the here and now with whatever is going on for us in each moment. Most of the problem with pain is that we don't want it, so we develop what is called secondary suffering, whereby the "not wanting the pain" becomes the focus and causes more distress on top of the pain. I recently did a 2 day mindfulness course at the Manchester Buddhist centre (I am not a Buddhist, but uphold a lot of Buddhist principles and beliefs). I was in a tremendous amount of pain, particularly my right shoulder which made participation really difficult and quite a challenge, as their was a large practical component to the course, and I was very uncomfortable in any position on the mat, so spent most of the time changing position and getting quite despondent and 'cross' with my painful joints - they spoilt the course for me. Since then I have been doing the body scan meditation CD from the course every day, and I have been using the technique of breathing into the pain with love and light, then letting it go to the earth, non judgementally with love. I still struggle but it is certainly helping.
The steps of mindfulness re: pain are to:-
1): Awareness of moment-by-moment actual sensations - to pay attention to what is happening moment to moment, and not what we thought it was. This keeps our mind focussed on one thing at a time and prevents the mind 'wandering'. Needs practice!
2): Move towards the unpleasant - this means seeking out the unpleasant (like me exploring the pain), and simply be with it without trying to 'get rid of it' or make it less. It helps to avoid resisting the pain, which is what most of us do.
3): Seeking the pleasant - shift our focus to become aware of the pleasant sensations moment to moment, ie - the softness of the pillow, the warmth of my body, the lovely room I am lying in, the sunshine outside on the roof tops etc., etc.
4): Broadening awareness to become a 'bigger container'. - this broadens our field of awareness to include and hold both the unpleasant and pleasant. Like pulling back a wide angle lens to look at your world. We can then allow everything to come into being and pass away without clinging on to the pleasant, or pushing away the unpleasant. We can then 'be' with whatever comes along.
5): Choice - from the wider perspective, we can then move onto what we choose to do in response to the experiences we are having. How we respond can make a huge impact on our lives. I know myself that when I feel as if I am drowning, looking for answers, trying this drug and that, this therapy and the next it is when I am in most distress. By choosing to think differently, act differently, I now realise that I can still have a good life despite all this 'stuff' going on.
Not easy. Very difficult at times, especially like last night when I was still awake at 3 am with pain in both upper arms and legs. But . . . . . . . I am practising, and they say that practice makes perfect! Good luck ladies.
The above information is taken from the Breathworks Mindfulness course called 'Introduction to Mindfulness as a Health Care Intervention to promote self management.
Useful info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_If4a-gHg_I Jon Kabat-Zin speaking on mindfulness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nwwKbM_vJc&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLD655C60F2695DCB3
His book Full castrophe living is really good
Living well with pain and illness - Vidymyala Burch
I am a physio by trade (now off work, as I work in cardiac rehab and cannot lead the classes and do my job at the moment). I have spent many years 'treating' women & some men who were struggling with chronic pain. I never dreamt that I would be one of them!!
Hope this helps
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Thank you so much Sandi. Really appreciate that. Fx
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I could have wept when I found this forum! I've been on HRT for two years now but have been advised to cut down and come off it because it was causing breast problems.
Since I've started cutting down I've been getting night flushes again, I can't sleep, but the neck and shoulder pain is awful. I don't like taking too many anti-inflammatory pills and pain killers so I've been struggling along feeling wretched, thinking it was somehow 'all in my head'. I'm a full time carer for my 89 year old Mum but lately she's more sprightly than me!
The local women's hospital advised evening primrose capsules and also red clover, but I've only been taking them for the last two weeks. I find heat pads and massage help the pain, but not so good when you're having a hot flush!
Going to sit and read through as many of your posts as I can.
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Hello Astolat
Welcome! You will find a friendly bunch on here with loads of experience and advice to benefit from.
have a look round the say hi in the Newbie section.
Fx
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I'm reading this thread and relating to a lot of it. Although I'm not officially perimeno, I have many of the symptoms and joint pain has been a problem for as long as I can remember. I used to get sore hips for a day or two when I started my period, then about ten years ago, the soreness came and went around midcycle too. Since then the situation has gone from bad to worse, and some months I hobble for a good two weeks :(. My hips, knees, ankles and everything in between can suffer - and sometimes i feel it in my finger joints. I've had all kinds of blood tests with nothing conclusive coming from them , so I grin and bare it.
This past month has been one of my worst. The pain at night is horrible and like others, it can be hard to turn over! Arghhh! Happy I'm not alone, but sorry to know others suffer with this too. You all have my sympathies!
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Hello Astolat
Welcome! You will find a friendly bunch on here with loads of experience and advice to benefit from.
have a look round the say hi in the Newbie section.
Fx
Hi Firewalker
Thanks for your reply, I've posted in the newbies section too. Everyone on this forum seems really friendly; I was amazed at the number of people who responded to my first post, and I'm thankful I've finally found the support and information I need!
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Hello everyone
Although I look at posts on here, I never thought I was actually going thro` change until last 2 weeks. I am 53. Flushes started with a vengenace, I started taking Femerelle and the flushes have decreased significantly but then the pains started and my God they are intense. This week my back is so bad I can barely walk. Getting up from the chair is a nightmare, I feel about 110. Turning over in bed is awful. I have suffered with a bit of arthritis in the past in my knees and fingers but this is beyond pain. Is this what I have to put up with for the next ????? years?
I may stop taking the Femerelle to see if that is bringing on the pain. I have tried Ibuprofen - no effect.
I know it will all have been said before, but dont we women go through enough without all this at our age? ???
Partner says I should try HRT but I really dont want to. Does it not just put off the inevitable?
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Wendy
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Hi Wendy,
I can completely relate to what you are saying as I have suffered really badly with painful joints that has actually affected my mobility very badly. Also at night is terrible, waking every hour. I dose myself with painkillers but then they make me feel really horrible.
It got me down so badly I went on HRT and I felt as though I had found a miracle cure! Within a few days I had relief and my whole wellbeing is so much improved. Not being in so much pain has made me feel 'me' again.
It has not gone completely, I do still take the odd painkiller, but nothing like before.
I am having trouble with the 'bleeding' side of HRT but feel I am just on the wrong type. So, as soon as that is sorted I should be ok!
Do consider HRT, I was worried about long term but to be quite honest the time now is important.
Good luck. Purplenanny x x
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Hi
Thanks for that reply.
My partner wants me to try HRT and with this pain as bad as it is I am getting very tempted. I was lying in bed this morning crying because I cant face going on in this sort of pain. Then feeling really selfish because millions of people go through daily life in pain for allsworts of reasons.
Thinking of going to Docs this morning to ask his advice.
I have tried Ibuprofen but they dont touch it at all.
Thanks again
~Wendy
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Hi Wendy,
I know exactly how you are feeling - I also beat myself up saying lots of people suffer pain, but it does not help. You must think about your quality of life.
The pain you are in is totally debilitating and whilst it is good to cry - these are unecessary tears. No-one should have to suffer this way. Get yourself to the GP as soon as possible. There is help available. I am on femoston 1/10 which has helped my pain incredibly.
Keep your chin up, there is light at the end of the tunnel, you just have to follow it.
Let us know how you get on
Love Purplenanny x x
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My hips have been hurting today - a faint dull kind of ache. Last night I had to keep turning over in bed because I couldn't get comfy. I'm coming up to midcycle so I think that's why. It usually gets worse during the second half of month, so the best/worst is yet to come!
I am now peri, according to blood tests. But as I said in another thread, I've had sore hips most of my adult life, usually for the first day or two of my bleed. Really sore, as in can't-stand-for-long sore. GPs have been less than helpful, but I guess they've been at a loss for what to suggest (apart from evening primrose, which has never helped).
As I get older, the pain gets worse and is more unpredictable... just like everything else! Sigh.
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Thank heavens I came across this thread otherwise I would still be suffering!!!! I am 53 and postmenopause.
While I was in my 20's HRT was hailed as life changing and there was loads of positive press about how it kept women going, what a breakthrough it was, and how it kept women young. At the time I thought that's for me and I'm going on HRT without doubt.
Then about 10-15 years ago HRT hit the press again, this time with loads of bad press and I read articles saying HRT was no magical cure and blew up all the negatives about taking it. Having weighed up all the bad press, I then decided to go down the natural route and the way nature intended. After all, with the wealth of data collected over the years these articles must be right.
I knew menopausal symptoms were hot flushes, disturbed sleep, loss of sex drive, vaginal dryness, burning soles of feet and for me some hair loss. But I honestly never knew about the aches and pains and fatigue!!!!!
I have coped very well for the last 10+ years. I have been lucky as I never have more than one or two hot flushes in any one day, and being as I don't sweat very much, it's not been a problem. Disturbed sleep I've lived with for years, worse at times than others, and for me centered around having to go to the bathroom with an urgency to empy my bladder, originally perhaps once a night to more recently having to get up perhap two to three times and regardless of how much I drink during the previous day.
I also have suffered with the soles of my feet burning for years and the onset of hairloss once I entered perimenopause.
During my perimenopause I also experienced being woken up with what I can only describe as a panic attack, heart racing and a feeling of doom that would pass within a minute or two of waking up. I would sit bold upright in bed feeling like the world had ended. Thankfully again, I could pin this down to fluctuating hormones, as the attack would always be in the week before my period was due. So I put it down to PMT, and all in all thankfully, I don't think it happened more than 5 or 6 times, as it was the most horrible feeling.
It's been two years now since my last period and my real decline has been in about the last three to six months. The first thing that crept up slowly was feeling exhausted most of the time. I have a full time job and it's been about all I can do to drag myself to work every day. At home I have had to let things slip as I never feel as if I have enough time to recover. Everything just seemed to be taking 10 times longer to do that before.
Well that's a bit about my background and I now get on to the aches and pains. OMG!!!!!
I have been an active person for the last 10-12 years and go to the gym between 3-4 times a week doing circuit training a lot of the time. Then just before Christmas I had to stop a circuit half way through as I just couldn't continue. My knees were aching, my back was killing me and I was exhausted and just felt as if my body was ancient and falling apart. I felt devastated.
I am a shopaholic and like nothing better than trailing round the shops, but even this has been too much for me in the last few months. Painful walking, lower back mainly, on right side and wrapping around and down the right hip. This would go into spasm at times as well. Aches and pains and burning in soles of my feet make all my shoes uncomfortable if walking about for more than 20 minutes (I was running upto 2-5 miles 2-3 times a week about 3 years ago!!!) Coupled with aches and pains in my elbows and right shoulder made me feel 90. I felt my life was over to be honest over Christmas. I could have cried when I found I could not get up off the floor after wrapping Christmas presents and had to get my husband to help me stand up.
Then I came across this thread by accident and realised that the pain I was in could be due to the menopause. It was a relief to find that I was not alone. I made a long overdue appointment with my doctor explaining all my symptoms and following a number of blood tests to make sure that there was no inflamatory illnesses present and other checks, I went on HRT.
That was just 5 days ago and............ OMG!!!!
I could feel changes start to happen within about an hour or two of taking the first tablet. I realised I stood straight up to the lock without pain. Within 20 hours the awful pain I had in my lower back, across the pelvis and hip along with my shoulder had all but disappeared. Five days on and I realise I have spent the last year shuffling about instead of walking properly as the pain in my lower back must have prevented me swinging my right pelvis/hip forward. My head is clearer and I feel alive, awake and for the first time in months and months, as if I have some energy.
It's been a life changing experience for me and I wanted to share my experience and offer some hope to others out there.
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53goingon90 your post was wonderful and inspiring, when HRT is right for a woman it is so right.
I hope others will read this and think so too.
Thank you for posting.
siloverlady x
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Hi 53goingon90 (great name! ;) )
:welcomemm:
So pleased to hear that you're feeling better. It's frightening to think how many women must be suffering un-neccessarily due to the bad press that HRT has had; it's good that at least one has been helped by this wonderful website - I'm sure that there are many more. :)
Why not introduce yourself on "New Members"? Newbies often get missed in the middle of existing threads and I'm sure that others will want to welcome you.
Bette x
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53goingon90 - I had the same experience! amazing isn't it.
May I ask which HRT you are taking?
Welcome and thanks for posting
Purplenanny x x
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Hello purplenanny,
I am on Nuvelle Continuous and so far no side effects other than benefits. No back pain, yippee!! One other thing I noticed was that my lips have plumped up as well. I call it my Angelina Jolie look. Much better than those cosmetic surgery injections and no chance of a trout pout! :)
I have put on a bit of weight over the last six or so months, due to the fatigue as much as the joint and muscle pain. I just felt like I needed carbs all the time as I was lacking in energy. Hopefully this will pass now and I will get back on track.
Has anyone out there got a flat tummy again after the menopause? Mine has felt better in the last couple of days in part due to being able to stand up straight and I feel as if everything has started to travel north again rather than south.
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I'm a newbie to the site and posted on the newbie section last week.
I am 58 and have been suffering severe night time joint pains and hot sweats since 1997(ish) my last period was in 2004. I have a pre-existing knee condition in both knees that I've had since a child that is noticeably worse when all the other aches cut in. The pain in feet, knees,hips and hands is very challenging at night especially with the hot sweats. I've been on codeine since early 2000 and have had to stop diclofenac as I developed a stomach ulcer (oh joy!). I am waiting for knee replacement but believe that the menopause has made things a lot worse.
Like others I have great difficulty in moving in a morning until I have been in a hot shower. I lay awake at night hot and in pain carefully working through relaxation exercises!!!
I started Premique last week and don't want to tempt fate (it's amazing how superstitious I can get) but the hot sweats appear to be easing and the aches a bit more ignoreable(if there is such a word). I have my fingers crossed - when they're not aching - that the HRT will help.......time will tell
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53goingon90 and Northernlass
Just a catch up - how are you both getting on? Hope things are still good for you both
Purplenanny x x
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Is it me????
not sure if this is meno or what but after coming off the combined BCP 3 months ago and switched to progesterone only mini pill I have noticed that I am waking up in middle of night with awful pain in whichever hip I am lying on. If I turn over it eventually goes off then I wake up later with other side aching. This also happens if i cross my legs while sitting for longer than 20 mins or so....
I had my bone density done 2 months ago which the radiographer said was good. I was just starting to notice the prob about that time and thought it was due to a fall i had on mud but its deffo getting more troublesome. Any ideas ?? I have been using black cohosh which has been keeping night sweats and mood swings tolerable but should I really think about HRT before i slide too far?
Thanks in advance xxx
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I had similar problems, jax. I thought that it was a return of an old sciatica problem from years back but was confused by the pain that I felt in bed. :-\ It was around the time of bad night sweats and sudden wakening from adrenaline rushes, so the combination put paid to any decent sleep. :'( Getting a mattress topper helped but tbh, I think that it was HRT that helped me the most.
Bette x
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My hips have been bad again recently >:(. I'm another one who has to turn over in bed every hour or so, because the pain/ache gets too much and I need to adjust position. Lying on my back eases it the most, but I don't sleep well that way ::).
My right knee is now playing up too - hurts as I go upstairs. I'm sure it's hormone related. I'm in the second half of my cycle, when everything gets worse, and my mood is 'down' at the moment. Plus, I've been getting those horrid 'adrenaline surges' while trying to get to sleep. Ugh.
The joint pain is the worst of it though. I hate it!
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53goingon90 and Northernlass
Just a catch up - how are you both getting on? Hope things are still good for you both
Purplenanny x x
Hi Purplenanny,
Just a quick update. It's almost two months now since starting HRT and I have just read my original post again. I was so glad I made a record at that time as I had all but forgotten just how bad it was with the joint aches and pains towards the end of last year. I suppose like any pain, when it goes away it soon becomes nothing but a distant memory and we forget.
I have had no negative side effects, and my aches and pains have all but disappeared. This is the first time in a couple of years that I have had no pain in my lower back and my hip is better too. The aches and pains in my elbows and knees have also disappeared. I am sleeping much better and deeper now, and have gone back to only waking up for the bathroom perhaps once at most during the night. My skin is glowing and I even think my hair has a bit more bounce as well. It's still to early to say if I will regain any loss, although my GP did think HRT would make a difference.
For me HRT has been a huge success story and I feel I have been given my life back to some extent. After all with the pension age going up all the time, I am sure it will be 70 for men and women within the next few years, 50+ is no age to fall apart as we are all expected to keep going for so much longer and hold down jobs. I am just so glad I found this thread and made the decision to try it.
53goingon90
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That's great, 53goingon90. :congrats: You'll have to change your name now! ;D
Bette x
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Thats great news, thanks for the update.
HRT did the same for me but sadly I have had to stop taking it due to very heavy bleeding. I cant seem to win either way. Pains are not too bad, I have only been off them for 2 weeks, but I miss the great feeling I had on HRT.
Its so nice when you feel good, but as Bette says - you need to change your name now! ;D
Purplenanny x x
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Hi there all. I'm new to the site and thankful I have found this section. I have had agonising pain in my upper arms (not in my muscles) for nearly a year now. The pain just suddenly started one day in my right arm and then eventually went to my left. I find putting on a bra, doing up a back zip (just about impossible now), putting on a safety belt, putting something in the back seat of the car, just agony. The intense pain stays for about 20 seconds and slowly subsides.
I have been to my Dr numerous times and have been tested for various things with have all come back negative. My Dr thinks I may have Fibromyalgia, as he can't find anything wrong. After reading this thread, I'm wondering if it's just menopause. I have also recently starting getting pain in my shoulder and hip joints. Argh, I'm so over the pain, but I think what makes it worse is not having an actual diagnosis. Rather than getting better, I seem to be getting worse. Im 49, (feel 90) and post menopausal.
It's nice to have a place to vent and to find others with similar aches and pains. I very rarely tell anyone about my pain as I feel like no one is really interested lol.
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Hi Farmer
:welcomemm:
How long have you been post-meno? I'm surprised that you weren't offered HRT as it helps to protect your heart and bones, particularly before 50. Maybe there's a particular reason for you not being able to take it? ???
You might like to introduce yourself on "New Members" as newbies can get missed in the middle of existing threads and others will want to welcome you. ;)
Bette x
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Hi Bette and Susan.
Post for 2 years now and not on HRT by choice and also my GP isn't so keen on it.
I personally think the pain in my arms/shoulder joints is not due to menopause and from what I've read, it doesn't sound like Fibromyalgia either. My GP (and me) are at a loss really.
Thanks for your replies. :)
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Hi Farmer - welcome to the forum :)
Fibromyalgia usually affects more than just the shoulders and arms plus you get a really draining fatigue with it. You need to have "tender points" in various parts of the body for a proper diagnosis.
It sounds rather like frozen shoulder to me and being unable to do up a bra is typical of this condition. Has it ever been mentioned? It is a condition linked to menopause http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Frozen-Shoulder.htm If it is this then you are really unlucky to have developed it in both.
I too am surprised that you weren't offered HRT just for the few years up to 51 (normal meno age) as the risks from HRT are only thought to begin after reaching this magic age and before then you are only replacing what your body should have been making naturally. I found that HRT did wonders for my aching joints and painful hips etc. but I can understand if you would prefer to manage without it.
You will find loads of support on here and laughs along the way.
Taz x
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After a second nasty experience, not with HRT but with stopping it, I thought it wise to warn others of the possible debilitating side effects by relating my experience.
After suffering the ghastly mood swings, sweats and everything else associated with the menopause for several months, I decided that quality of life was perhaps better than quantity, and decided to try HRT. I started on Kliovance 5 years ago and immediately felt 100% better. I have been happy and healthy, fit and active for those five years. In spring 2011 my GP advised that I should think about coming off HRT as, with my family history (my mother had breast cancer although it was successfully treated and when she died 18 years later, it had not recurred), it could be detrimental to stay on it for any longer. I was unaware of the need to decrease the dosage slowly, and stopped overnight. The results were catastrophic. Within weeks my joints were so painful I could barely walk, by the summer I could not lift a dinner plate without extreme pain. We were beginning to plan on moving our bedroom downstairs and I was feeling despondent to say the least. I visited all 5 GP's at my local surgery and all denied vehemently the fact that it might be connected to the cessation of HRT. I was given Ibuprofen and told it was arthritis - something 'older women' just have to put up with (I am 60 years old). After a particularly painful day, out of sheer desperation, I decided to try going back onto HRT - I had nothing to lose at that point. Within days I felt slight improvement, within three weeks I was back to my old self - no pain at all.
A lesson learnt I thought, but I was still aware that I should not be taking HRT at all after such a long time, so I decided to have another go, this time taking a more gradual approach. I waited until November and started by missing one every other day for several weeks, then missing two days, then just three weeks ago I progressed to missing three days in between. Apart from the odd flush, I felt well, until 14 days ago when I developed an excrutiatingly painful perianal abcess. I immediately suspected the lack of HRT again, but - again, my GP said it was not connected, so I spent a week on powerful but ineffective antibiotics. I was in such pain that I ignored the GPs advice and five days ago,went back on my Kliovance every day. I am already noticing an improvement. Ironically, on my second visit to the GP two days ago, I was prescribed eostregen cream - I asked the same question re HRT connections, and I was told that yes, it was related and I should keep taking the Kliovance as I was clearly not suited to being without it!! So that's it - I am in for the duration - nothing will persuade me to miss even one day from now on! Not only am I convinced that quality of life is so much more important than quantity, but I shall always question my GPs decisions in future - they are clearly not infallible.
I do hope this helps others who may be facing the same situation.
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Hi Rossb
:welcomemm:
Thank you for a very useful, informative post. :thankyou:
If you'd like to introduce yourself on "New Members", I'm sure that others will want to welcome you - newbies often get missed in the middle of existing threads. ;)
Lots of info, support and chat here. Laughs too - do check out the "Funnies." ;D
Bette x
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Thank you Bette, but I'm having trouble negotiating the site - I have seen the list of new members via the drop down box bottom right, but can't see how I add myself?!
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I didn't mean that, Rossb, I meant that if you go to the Forum front page, click on "New Members" and then on "NEW TOPIC", you could start a thread to introduce yourself. Hard to explain but hopefully this link will get you to the right section:-
http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/board,7.0.html
Otherwise, just join in with existing threads - we're not fussy here, just love having new ladies to chat to! ;)
Bette x
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Ah I see!!
Is it acceptable to just repeat my original in this section? I've spent most of my afternoon reading lots of interesting posts and my alpacas are waiting for their tea!!
Thanks again - it's so good to know there's someone to talk to now :clapping:
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I think that copying and pasting your original post is a great idea - would be good to make sure that as many see it as possible.
And please tell us more about your alpacas when you have the time! :P :)
Bette x
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Hi Rossb and welcome.
I found your post very interesting, thank you.
May I ask if you have any bleeding on the hrt you are taking?
I have joint pains and was also told it was arhtritis and told to take ibuprofen!! HRT helped me totally and I felt so good, but sadly heavy bleeding forced me to come off it. I have tried 3 types now,
Purplenanny x x
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Hi Farmer - welcome to the forum :)
Fibromyalgia usually affects more than just the shoulders and arms plus you get a really draining fatigue with it. You need to have "tender points" in various parts of the body for a proper diagnosis.
It sounds rather like frozen shoulder to me and being unable to do up a bra is typical of this condition. Has it ever been mentioned? It is a condition linked to menopause http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Frozen-Shoulder.htm If it is this then you are really unlucky to have developed it in both.
I too am surprised that you weren't offered HRT just for the few years up to 51 (normal meno age) as the risks from HRT are only thought to begin after reaching this magic age and before then you are only replacing what your body should have been making naturally. I found that HRT did wonders for my aching joints and painful hips etc. but I can understand if you would prefer to manage without it.
You will find loads of support on here and laughs along the way.
Taz x
Thanks Taz, I'll look into it.
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I am so pleased it is not just me with all these aches and pains and seizing up when I sit down, my friends and colleagues laugh with me about it - little do they know what they have to face yet lol .
Thing is - how does this account for my hubby becoming as creaky as me :) at least I can blame the menopause :D
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I have been suffering with chronic pain for the last 2 years - anyway, recently I was told about a woman called Caroline Myss who was a medical intuitive in America, and became an inspirational speaker. She developed the idea of woundology, and worked out why people don't heal. Her theory is that by holding on to pain (emotional or physical), we stay in our story, and by staying in our story healing doesn't take place. She has been giving lectures since the 1980's - have a look at her on You Tube. She has also written quite a few books. Definitely food for thought, and I have stopped telling peopl how I am all the time, thinking more towards wellness and healing. Just when I had mastered acceptance!! . . . . . .
The other thing I have been doing is 'earthing' myself, by putting my bare feet on the earth for a few mins each day (I warm the grass up with a wheat bag!) You can also buy earthing mats which you can sleep on, or put your feet on. Apparently people with severe chronic pain are getting major relief from earthing. Again, all worth trying . . . . .
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I gave in today after 2 nights lost sleep and went to my chiropractor.
had an hour in bed just and a bath and feeling less old :-)
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Sandi, you and I think a lot alike. And it's the second time I've come across earthing in as many days. I'm familiar with grounding, which I think is the same? Anyway, you've reminded me I should do that more often, thank you.
Have you heard of 'bracing'? It's something talked about on the net by a Dr Stoll and refers to the tension that our bodies are (pretty much always) under. Only by being aware of it can we release the tension and properly relax. And then the body has a better chance to heal leading to less pain.
I've been taking good quality fish oil recently and feel it is making a difference :)
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I have been suffering with chronic pain for the last 2 years - anyway, recently I was told about a woman called Caroline Myss who was a medical intuitive in America, and became an inspirational speaker. She developed the idea of woundology, and worked out why people don't heal. Her theory is that by holding on to pain (emotional or physical), we stay in our story, and by staying in our story healing doesn't take place. She has been giving lectures since the 1980's - have a look at her on You Tube. She has also written quite a few books. Definitely food for thought, and I have stopped telling peopl how I am all the time, thinking more towards wellness and healing. Just when I had mastered acceptance!! . . . . . .
The other thing I have been doing is 'earthing' myself, by putting my bare feet on the earth for a few mins each day (I warm the grass up with a wheat bag!) You can also buy earthing mats which you can sleep on, or put your feet on. Apparently people with severe chronic pain are getting major relief from earthing. Again, all worth trying . . . . .
I've been taking good quality fish oil recently and feel it is making a difference :)
Sandi. I was so interested to read in the 'earthing'. I had a weekend away 'living with harmony' and much of that was bare feet, inside and out and 'earthing/grounding' ourselves with nature and ourselves. I came home and could hardly bear to have shoes on my feet. I will try that in my garden this weekend!
My chiropractor is very much a holistic healer. As well as adjustments, kinesiology and naturopathy, my chiropractor deals with the stuck emotions which manifest themselves as ailments.
She also recommends daily dose of high quality fish oil as a natural anti inflammatory (among other things).
Fx
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Three years ago I got chronic neck pain for no apparent reason. My GP sent me to various 'pain consultants' and I had an MRI. Long story short I had slight wear & tear between C6/C7 plus a 'dry disc.'
Two years ago I started getting lower back pain (right hand side) for no apparent reason. MRI could see nothing wrong but the pain kept getting worse. I tried various painkillers and TENS but nothing helped. Eventually I was given a cortisone injection into my SI joint, but that made no difference. My physio wasn't much help (he actually made things worse!) so I ended up paying privately for acupuncture/massage. (To me it feels like a trapped nerve, but without a medical diagnosis I can't be sure). My acupuncturist showed me some neck/back exercises and suggested eating more protein (I'm veggie). I'm doing these things but they're not helping.
Initially I was hopeful, but after 10 sessions I'm really no better than I was to begin with, and I don't have unlimited funds, so it seems that even that has failed. (NHS won't fund acupuncture for me).
The only thing the NHS will now offer me is two sessions of psychotherapy (!) - pain seminars - so that I can learn how to live with chronic pain, which I'm reluctant to attend as I feel as if it'd be like admitting defeat.
Since before my partial hysterectomy in 2008 (fibroids) I've gained a load of weight and am now 4 stones too heavy for my 5 ft 4 inch frame, but no amount of dieting or exercise seems to make any difference (thyroid test came back normal). This is adding to my neck/back woes, not to mention the additional strain on my joints.
After the removal of my ovaries Feb 2011 I was thrust into full and immediate menopause.
I don't sleep very well (pain) and I ache all over, especially in cold/wet weather. I feel as if I'm a 49 year old woman trapped in the body of a 90 year old.
I've recently been put on oestrogen patches (Evorel 75) and was given a testosterone implant 6 days ago - and told that'd really help with sleep, energy and pain management, but so far it's made no difference (although I live in hope).
Reading some of the posts on here it seems that my aches and pains MAY be related to my menopause, which is something of a relevaltion to me. IF (and it's a big IF) the hormones do actually work, there's a tiny chance that my aches and pains could be alleviated, which would be fantastic. However, I don't want to get my hopes up........
I shall let you know if I get any relief from my pain as & when my hormone treatments kick in.
Karen
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I have cut out all citrus fruit from my diet ( mainly pink grapefruit, oranges and lemons) and no longer have joint pain !
I was getting so seized up it was painful to move again after sitting down and then one of my customers just mentioned that she did this so was worth a try !
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Thats good news Anje! Citrus fruits are often a trigger for migraines too. The mum of a friend of mine had suffered debilitating ones for years and was taken into hospital for investigation. While there she didn't suffer one attack and was sent home. The day after getting back she was laid low with an awful one again so she decided to try to work out what she had eaten differently while in hospital. The answer - her breakfast grapefruit. No more grapefruit and no migraines ever again.
Taz x
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Isn't it grapefruit juice you have to avoid on certain blood pressure or heart medications? :-\
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You can't have grapefruit juice if you're on Warfarin but then, there's quite a lot you need to be wary of with that. :(
Bette x
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I havent read all of the posts but I have terrible hip pain and have recently started on serrapeptase. It is really helping. I am also taking a v low dose of estrogel
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I have very painful shoulder today and haven't got a clue what I could have done to it. The only fruit I had yesterday was a banana, same so far today. It is on the side I mostly lie on, don't know if I've just lain too heavily on it or not. Trying anti-inflams.
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I've just come back from a week's holiday which was spoiled by my painful and aching joints.
I have suffered from degenerative disc disease for 20 years so often have back ache in varying degrees and before going on HRT 3 years ago I suffered from painful toe joints and sore knees as peri meno symptoms but up till 6 months ago things were much better. Over the last 6 months I've been getting increasing joint pain, hips, knees, toes, ankles. I've also had quite troublesome sciatica in one leg for about 5 months. I've been coping by taking quite large doses of ibuprofen and keeping exercising but it all seems to be getting worse. I saw a GP last month who put me on naproxen but it has been fairly useless, not even as good as the ibuprofen so I'm going back later this week to see if he can do anything else.
Last week while on holiday we did a bit of walking, only a maximum of about 4 miles, mostly less, but every step I took all week was painful. If it wasn't my sciatica hurting it was my hip joints, lower back, toes, sides of my feet, thoracic spine or rib cage. Then this morning I had such bad lower back ache I could hardly get out of bed and hobbled around for about 15 mins before things started to loosen up.
While some of the pain is undoubtedly due to the degenerative disc disease and sciatica (which may in itself be due to the DDD) the rest I'm sure is due to the menopause and I reckon I need to up my HRT dose. Trouble is, I've got a new GP as mine retired recently and when I saw this guy last month and mentioned I'd been on HRT for 3 years he said 'Oh well, you should be over the menopause by now'. This is clearly nonsense so I'm not anticipating much joy in getting higher dose oestrogen patches off him.
I am so sick of feeling like I'm 96 years old instead of 56.
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Hi Ziggy
I could have wrote your message at the moment! I have 3 discs that bulge out intermittently and cause all sorts going on. However, for the last 7 months I have had foot, ankle, leg and knee pain. I did increase my hrt but it does'nt seem to have helped at all. I have had a vitamin d blood test which showed a low reading. Been on vitamin d for over a week now but still in a lot of pain. I am really fed up with it and don't know which way to turn. I am 54 and like you feel about 90.
A change in hrt may help you or perhaps getting your vit d tested.
Lesley
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I had Vit D deficiency and have just finished a 3 month course of high dose supplements. This helped the joint ache I had tremendously but did take a good 4 weeks before I noticed some improvement.
It's reckoned a significant percentage of our population are low in Vit D and if severely deficient can cause lots of problems with joint pain, fatigue and low mood.
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Thank you Anne, perhaps I am expecting too much too soon. Did you have pain in your feet?
Lesley
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Meno Lesley, yes I had pain in my feet. Could hardly walk. In fact all my joints ached so badly that I thought I had a serious condition.
It was all very depressing because I thought it was all down to menopause and the thought of living in that much pain for the rest of my life nearly sent me over the edge.
Vit D helped a lot along with oestrogen replacement.
I still have been left with chronic post operative pain (ligament and muscle). Am addressing that with physio, acupuncture and pain killers.
I know the feeling of being old as well. I am 50 and can't believe how ancient I feel at the moment.
I hope you find some relief in the near future.
Next thing you know we'll both be out jogging!
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Don't think at the moment I would be able to run across the road let alone jog! Just had a sleepless night as whatever way I laid my bones hurt. Was your vit d level very low? I am glad you have got some relief.
Thank you for your reply.
Lesley
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Vit D helped a lot along with oestrogen replacement.
Hi Anne
I have low VitD and now taking one month trial of tablets from GP to help with leg pains, etc. I did not realise it was linked with oestrogen?
Which Vit D tablet do you take? and is it something that can be taken permanently if successful?
Purplenanny x x
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Thank you Anne, perhaps I am expecting too much too soon. Did you have pain in your feet?
Lesley
My feet are sore on getting out of bed every morning.
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My VitD level was classed as severely deficient and I was given cholecalciferol
Capsules. Think they were 600 strength which I took 2 of each day for 3 months. They were little blue capsules which you swallowed with water. The cal chew tablets that you chew and taste chalky are not pleasant and I found they upset my stomach.
I still continue to take a multivitamin with vitD included. This is at a lower strength but should be enough to maintain levels along with good diet including VitD fortified cereals like cornflakes, milk, egg yolks
I mentioned oestrogen replacement as well because I am sure some of the joint pain was because I had been surgically menopaused and for a good 3 months had little or no oestrogen in my body. Once I started the vitD and HRT things improved.
The pain in my feet and hips was particularly bad. Couldn't walk the length of myself and lying in bed was a problem.
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Hi Anne
That's the same as me - mine are 800 strength twice a day, same blue tablet as you
Gosh, that is encouraging Anne, I do hope they work as well for me. Pleased you are feeling better, continuous pain really drags you down doesn't it?
Purplenanny x x
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Hi Purplenanny
Must have been 800 and not 600 I had then, just wasn't sure.
You will see a difference, just give it time.
I'm now hooked up to a tens machine to try and help my lower back and leg pain.
You are correct, chronic pain is very difficult to live with.
Hope you feel better soon. Xxxx
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I agree constant pain can get you down. I have a job that is on my feet all day and feel like it every day is an endurance test.
Heres hoping that the vit d helps. My mum uses a tens machine and finds it helpful Anne.
Lesley
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Tens is good. My physio says to use it for an hour at a time 3 times a day.
If you underdo it then not getting maximum benefit but if you overdo it then the pain relief effect is lessened.
My job involves being on my feet all day as well. Can't do it at the moment. It would kill me.
Don't know how you manage but I am impressed. You're obviously made of sterner stuff than me! Xx
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Thanks Anne & Lesley
No idea what tens machine is but I do hope it works for you Anne
Lesley - any chance of changing your job, that must be difficult to deal with everyday!
Purplenanny x x
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Have been looking for other jobs but nothing about. I have to work for financial reasons but come home most nights in tears. The last couple of years have been like a roller coaster of all sorts going on. Thought I had got through meno lightly as hadn't had a period for a few years.
Thank you for your replies. One day we may laugh about all this?
Lesley x
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Hope you're correct Meno Lesley. A good laugh is well overdue!
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Lesley, have you had your Vitamin D levels checked? It may be worth asking for a health check, which covers lots of areas you may be deficient in. You should not have to cope with such awful pain.
Sorry if I have missed your earlier posts and am asking questions you have already covered
Purplenannyx x
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Hi Purplenanny,
Have had vit d test and was low so now on supplement but no change as yet but perhaps I am expecting too much. Think I may have been deficient for some time. Have you had yours tested?
Lesley x
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Hi Lesley
Yes I went to my gp a couple of weeks ago regarding the awful shin and knee pain I get - especially at night. He did a blood test to check loads of things and I am very VitD deficiant. I have high dose tablets for a month's trial and I am hoping they will work. Anne B has had success, although she was on them for 3 months
I am confident they will work as I am already in less pain and my low mood also seems to have benefitted from them ( low vitD affects the mood apparently)
Purplenannyx x
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That's good that you are feeling a bit better. I has to take 3 high dose tablets the first 3 days then just one a day and be retested in 3 months.
Lesley x
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Just noting this for information.
I thought my joint aches were just down to menopause and I've tried to ignore the pain in my hands, neck, feet, knees and arms - but now it's been discovered that it is actually Rheumatoid Arthritis that I have, more than likely triggered by the meno and low estrogen. Obviously it's not the case for everybody. Realising that medication is going to be the only answer to reduce the pain caused by inflammation.
Not wishing to be the harbinger of doom, just saying that aches have to be monitored and further investigation / tests may be required to rule out anything else.
Night_Owl
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Sorry to hear that Night_Owl.
Did you see 'The Food Hospital' on channel 4 last night? There was a lady on there with RA and they did manage to reduce her symptoms by altering her diet to exclude foods that cause inflammation.
Sorry I can't remember the exact details (meno brain ::)).
If you missed it, it's available to view on demand at channel4.com.
Catweazle x
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Thanks for that Catweazle - will go check it out channel4.com.
Have read that wheat/gluten can make things worse.
RA seems to get worse when I'm on the progesterone section, maybe because the anti-inflammatory effect of the small amount of estrogen I'm taking is reduced further. In fact, overall RA has stepped up since I've had to reduce estrogen level due to worsening migraines.
Flipping meno has a lot to answer for!
Night_Owl
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Night_Owl, just a thought - have you tried Vitamin D? It is definately helping my legs. I am not on hrt
Purplenanny x x
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I am so sorry to read about your RA night_owl. I hope that you are started on your medication soon as the longer it is left the more lasting damage will have been caused. Have you been offered methotrexate? These auto-immune diseases are so debilitating.
You may find this thread helpful http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=14024.0 the more information you have the better your chances are of coping with it.
Taz x :hug:
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Night owl a new med in US ha put a friend in complete remission. I will get name of it tomorrow U S time. Dr. Andrew Weil lives near where I am and prescribed it for her. It is on the market. Fish oil and vit D3 are seriously anti inflammatory and yes voiding gluten often helps.
I hope you find what works for you to put the R A into remission soon.
It's the middle of the night here. Pm me if I don't get back to you with the name of the prescription.
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Hi Trey, I am taking a high dose VitD3 from gp for a months trial. Do you think it would be good to add fish oil? I have had a look on healthspan but find it confusing as to which one to buy - any advice would be welcome
Purplenanny x x
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Hi Purplenanny
I use omega 3 fish oil capsules but if you are taking high dose Vit d supplements just be careful you buy the capsules with no Vit d added. I got mine in a chemist shop but you can get them in health food stores as well.
Xxx
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Thanks Anne
I also take Glucosamine & Chondroitin Liquid - do you think that's ok to mix? x x
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Fairly sure that's ok. I believe they act as anti-inflammatories but in a different way.
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Thanks Anne x x
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Thanks for input, ladies. Taz, thanks for the link. Trey, yes will PM for name of med.
PurpleNanny - I've been on Higher Nature D3 for quite a few months now - it's quite low dose though. Will go back on the fish oil too, took it for ages then stopped as I was taking Higher Nature 3-6-9 instead.
Have had blood tests confirming RA - awaiting next consultant appt. Think it's been around for years as my fingers have always been crooked but the pain has really kicked in, now in neck, knees and feet. Mother and grandmother both had/have it bad - so I was destined.
On top of all this, am waiting to see an Endocrinologist as the meno clinic don't know what to do with me anymore as I can't cope with any HRT regime - or without it. I am now "untreatable". Tried so many different regimes and still I get ill, migraines, sweats etc etc. Hair loss marches on too.
There's a possibility I may have developed PoTS too - just great. The Endo will investigate further.
Still on ultra low dose HRT and the vile prog (I'm prog intolerant) - have had a scare as even on low dose my endo thickened rapidly to 7mm (after being off for 3 months) - have had to take monthly high dose prog and having second endo scan 1 Oct. If it doesn't reduce then may need ablation. Body seems to have gone into meltdown, immune system shot to bits, all triggered by meno, loss of hormones.
Just too much going on at once. In total despair as to how I've lost my health, I'm 50 now - 6 years into the meno now and I just get worse and develop more illness, no adjustment whatsoever. Just feel ill every day, achey, hung over and about 90 years old.
Thanks for listening. Sorry for the rant.
Night_Owl
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Oh Night_Owl - you rant all you want, that's what we are here for. You have such a lot to cope with, I am so sorry. Pain is awful, it can really be very debilitating (sp?)
I do hope you get some relief somewhere soon. In the meantime share it with us and have a big hug from me
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Purplenanny x x
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Night owl, poor you. This must be very challenging for you. I hope you get some relief of your symptoms soon. You are far too young to be suffering like this.
Keep posting and vent your feelings. That's why this forum exists.
Xxxx
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Sending you big hugs Night_Owl :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
I know you have been suffering for such a long time.
I really hope things turn around for you soon.
Catweazle xx
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Thanks ladies for your kind words. Will report back as I go along. Don't feel I can post too often as I don't have anything positive to say re: meno - just constant struggle - disheartening/negative for others to read. It's such a bummer when not only experiencing (early) meno with all the vile symptoms plus additional health issues - then on top of it not being able to tolerate HRT, it's like there's nowhere to go with it. I often think that lack of proper sleep over six years has shot me to pieces. sigh ...
Night_Owl
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Night owl
You post whenever you want and say whatever you feel.
We are here to listen and support if we can.
If you are interested there is an Early Menopause UK page on Facebook which also gives you the opportunity to join a private chat room.
Take care
Xx
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Hi Night Owl. I am so sorry to read how badly you are feeling just now.
I, too, saw that programme about diet controlling RA. I am a believer of getting to the root cause.
Wheat and gluten cause inflammation. Good quality high grade fish oil Omega 3 taken daily is a natural anti-inflammatory. I see you already have / had that as a supplement.
My friend's sister was bad with RA. She followed a very limited diet - no animal products, no dairy products and very low fat - basically vegetables. I think it was called the MacDougall Diet? Her symptoms cleared up and her medication was stopped. She said it seemed impossible to comprehend such a restricted diet at first, but she said she fell into the way of it quite easy and it was worth the effort because her health improved so much. Perhaps you could do some research on diets to cure RA and see what you think of those?
If your womb is thickening so quickly, could that perhaps indicate you have enough oestrogen?
Have you considered some Homeopathic or Herbal medicines- a consultation with a trained homepath or herbalist? Or chinese medicine and acupuncture. I understand it is particularly good for menopause symptoms and also relief from the pain and discomfort of RA.
I hear you and other members say they are prog intolerant. How does that show up in you? I am curious what it means and how those who are intolerant feel with it.
I hope you find some relief from feeling so bad.
Fx
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Hello ladies,
I have posted various times about my chronic pain (see earlier posts), but just wanted to say how much acupuncture has helped me to cope with my pain and fatigue. Along with the 'mindfulness approach' it has made a real difference to my life. It is also helping my husband who is at end stage renal failure - his kidney function has been really stable since starting having acupuncture about 6 months ago. My acupuncturist is TCM trained, and is in Hebden Bridge, West Yorkshire.
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Now that's encouraging Sandi because I have suffered from chronic pain after my hysterectomy and am going for acupuncture tomorrow. Was a bit sceptical about it but my sister urged me to try it as 4 sessions cured a chronic knee problem for her.
Hopefully I will have success as have tried many other methods for relief.
Xxx
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good luck Anne, let us know how you get on. PNx x
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That's great news Sandi.
Hope it is successful for you AnneB
Fx
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Thanks ladies. Here's hoping. Will let you know how it goes.
Xx
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Just a word of advice - don't just go for one, try at least 4 sessions before you decide if it is helping. I know it is expensive, but well worth it. Good luck.
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Sandi
I'm getting my acupuncture free since I am a member of staff at the hospital that provides this service. She said an initial 4 sessions and more if required.
Got to have some perks for working in healthcare !
Xxx
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Hi I've noticed more aches, especially in my neck, which I didn't have before and feel very stiff when I wake up. Thinking of starting yoga and joining a gym during the cold winter months :)
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The problem with NHS acupuncture is that they aren't usually TCM trained (I am a recently retired physio, and I used acupuncture for pain relief with patients), and therefore won't usually do tongue diagnosis and take pulses before, during and after treatment. I might be wrong - good luck with it though, I know that acupuncture did help a lot of my patients, so well worth a go. I always said to my patienst that I wasn't an 'acupuncurist' but had trained in it as an adjunct to other treatments I offered.
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Tongue dianosis? :-\ :-X
I've had sciatica which wakes me in the early hours and today was hobbling around like an Old Woman - if this continues I'll be taking Nurofen for a couple of days >:(
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Does anyone know what the effective dose of glucosomine is for any joints and should you take it with chondritin? P x :-X
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:'(hello ladies
I am amost at the end of my tether - my neck and area above my left hip and across my lower back are soooooooo painful at the moment - I have nveer known this as bad. I am sure some of it is stress but am on a pranoid trip that is is something much more sinister. I have made the decision to retire at 52 - we are currently in tied accommodation but have been offerd a rented house by a local housing association. I am lucky to have some pension money coming to do the place up because it is filthy and run down - am not sleeping thinking about it and also I have to carry on working full-time until I do leave my job at the begninning of November. I should be excited but am full of panic and tearful to the point of stupidity. My VA is playing up too and I cant' eat. People are telling my I look awful and have lost weight - which I have - am getting a permanent pain in lower abdomen - like a heavy period pain, also stabbing pain behind my eyes which are so sore.
I am going to GP on Monday - will no doubt end up back on pills and have just reduced my trazadone as it was making me constipated and ended up in A & E then admitted for 24 hours and given an enema. Just feel like I want to scream and then run - silly but true - thanks for reading and hope this post isn't as annoying to read as it is silly to write
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Hi Sharon
It doesn't sound silly at all just very familiar. I am 54 and feel the last 2 years have been one ailment after another. I feel I am always at the doctors and have hardly visited before all this.
It will probably be good to have a break from work and then you will be able to take one day at a time and feel able to cope with how you are feeling.
Lesley x
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Hi everyone...i havent been on here for months...and yes, like a very bad friend, i only turn up when i need you :(
i distinctly remember the first time i saw this post at the top, thinking 'joint aches and pains?' whats that got to do with it? and passing this thread by as at that time, around a year or two ago, i had no problems like that at all..but now......things have changed....
in about july i noticed my right shoulder felt stiff and pinged a bit every now and then..i had been diy-ing and thought no more of it, but its continued to get stiffer, and stiffer until now when i cant even put my right hand on my hip, let alone get it round my back..i cant stretch it straight upwards either...
then the hip pain started...
in my right side again, it feels exactly like m shoulder does....stiff, my muscles cramp very easily if i move suddenly and, dont laugh, but i cant get my leg over at the moment!! no not in that way, but literally! my right leg just wont cross over my left! it just gets stuck..thats the only way i can describe it really.
they took xrays and said its not arthritis.
they havent said what it IS THO! i know what it isnt and that made me happy for a while..now im under going physio and my go thinks this will 'resolve' itself.....
but i reemembered this site, and this thread i hadnt read and i thought
Eeeeekkkkkkkkkkkk!!
what if this is here to stay? :'(
woe is me
Jem xxx
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Hi
I have posted a few times about my chronic pain, and I recently had my vitamin D levels checked, and they are down to 44 (normal levels 70-200), last reading a couple of years ago were 55. I have upped my vit D supplement and there is a definite reduction in my pain. The other thing I have done after my son suggested I try a herbal anti inflammatory, is to take Turmeric root (grated into my flax, linseed mix which I take for my bowels!), and it seems to be lessening the pain. Food for thought!!
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Hi Sandi
I went to my gp with chronic shin/knee pain and the tests showed my vitamin d levels were very low. He has put me on a course of very high vit d3 for 4 months and then will do another test. I am amazed at the difference it has made to the pain.
I like the idea of the herbal anti inflammatory. I am not allowed to take iboprufen due to problems with my kidneys. I assume tumeric root will be ok, so thanks for that
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I've just noticed my right shoulder pain that I've had for yonks has eased a LOT. What am I doing differently? Using my new ipad mini instead of my laptop. Must be a connection! :o
Catweazle x
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My shoulder pain and stiffness was all down to my computer chair. I only found that out when it broke and I had to temporarily use a dining room chair instead. No more pain and stiffness and no more "proper" computer chair for me :)
Taz x
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I've been suffering with neck, shoulder and pain in the left wrist and also right back pain. It feels worse when I am in bed and not doing anything! I do have mild arthritis of the hinge joint in the collar/shoulder and chronic bursitis. Apart from a steroid injection, not a lot they can do, and don't fancy that. The physio gave me exercises to do. I will be post menopausal at the end of January! I have noticed that my neck pain has got more noticeable. The However, when I had an X-ray, they couldn't see anything detrimental apart from a possible old whiplash injury. The pain in the neck is down both sides, so possibly muscular. The chiropractor said I had very tight trigger points. I work hard. I haven't had a weeks holiday since the summer, so I have all week off at Christmas and 2 weeks off in January, when going abroad on holiday. Hopefully that will make it less. I think I'll probably come off the duloxetine too as it doesn't seem to be doing much, except making me constipated! Going to start a pilates or swimming in the new year and try to lose half a stone in weight, with this alternative fasting, therefore less stress on joints!
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Sorry if I've mentioned this before, pixie but have you considered Alexander Technique? My chiro was very impressed at the effect it had when I was going to him for sciatica.
Bette x
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Thanks Bette, I will consider it, if things haven't improved after my holidays, I remember I have dreadful backache at this time of the year. Its probably a combination of the cold weather and this time of year! X
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Hi Sandi
I went to my gp with chronic shin/knee pain and the tests showed my vitamin d levels were very low. He has put me on a course of very high vit d3 for 4 months and then will do another test. I am amazed at the difference it has made to the pain.
I have had chronic knee pain in one knee for a few years, but have never heard of the vit D connection before. I will try this, thanks! Apparently it was on the radio this morning (so it MUST be true - lol) that most of us are deficient in vit D.
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Glad to read about this as I've had painful knee for weeks now and it's really bad today. I've hobbled through everything I've done and getting out of passenger seat in car and coming down the stairs in house has been excruciating. I have been taking multivitamin with cod liver oil in it, but will look for some vit D3.
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My knee got increasingly worse last night, could hardly get upstairs to bed. I put deep heat on it and was amazed that it felt much better when I woke and went to toilet, but it's getting stiff and sore again now. Don't know if arthritis or not, didn't expect the deep heat to help if it was. Can anyone tell me if they think this is peri-meno? If it is, I deffo need to go for hrt, can't put up with it if I don't have to.
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I wouldn't think that this is peri-meno just me - not if it is only one knee. General aches and pains can be but I would think you have done something to it to inflame it in some way. It may be something as simple as walking in a different pair of shoes. Any help? http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/knee-pain/Pages/Introduction.aspx
Taz x
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I've not had different shoes on Taz, but thanks for the link - I'll wait and see if it gets better after trying anti-inflamatories. I have had a few other aches and the other knee is a wee bit sore, but not as bad.
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My sudden joint aches and pains were the reason I came to this site in the first place. I was unaware of this being a symptom of peri/meno until I woke up one morning with a simple sore left arm and hip. ...a situation which has now developed eight months later into bilateral frozen shoulder (such an innocuous little name for such a horribly painful condition) and acute tendonitis in my left hip and knee. I'm told its all to do with estrogen fluctuations, as estrogen is the WD40 of the body and without it (or too much of it) our connective tissue can go a bit wonky. HRT did help, although it will never cure frozen shoulder once it has set in..only time will do that. But I do feel more 'oiled' and less like a 90 year old!
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Hi
I have been suffering with severe neck and shoulder pain for the last 4 or 5 months, Ive been for lots of massages, which are lovely at the time but provide very short term relief, after a couple of days I am back to normal. I was wondering what on earth has changed in my life to make me suddenly be in so much pain, and then during the night I had a light bulb moment, of course, the menopause! Thats whats changed in my life. I have not had a period for one year now, and apart from the hot flushes, and sleeplessness I was coping quite well, but these pains in my neck and shoulder are driving me mad, they are so sore when I am in bed, they are causing migraines during the day, Im in a bit of a mess, so I am off to the docs, and hope that he/she will be able to help me out.
If I get a miraclulious cure I shall be back to spread the word!
Lesley
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Tiredness and severe joint pains are my main menopausal problems. The rest I can cope with.
Will these problems go in time?? Dont mind taking painkillers but not being able to do the active things I enjoy like swimming, walking and gym is not good.
Thanks
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Hi ladies
My menopause symptoms started about 2 years ago with very sudden chronic stiffness. I could barely move in bed at night and my breathing was also affected. Had blood tests for inflammatory illnesses and chest xrays and all came back normal. The strangest thing though is that my face aches!! The muscles all feel very tense especially if i've been reading a lot or watching tv too much. I only get respite when i shut my eyes, put my head back and try to relax the muscles. Other parts of my body are'nt too bad now but the face aches continue even with hrt, cod liver oil, vit D, magnesium and menopace.
Delilah x
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Hi Newbaby - it seems your post under this thread was missed.
Have you had your tiredness and joint pains investigated? As my own GP says it is too easy to blame every symptom onto menopause. I have found that while on HRT my joint pains and overall stiffness is much improved.
Taz x
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Since starting the peri-menopause about 2 yrs ago (I'm 52) I've had one symptom after another but in dribs and drabs :( The worst one I've had is the joint, muscle aches and pains that I have at the moment. It sometimes starts as soon as I get into bed. It's like a switch being turned on. Other times it starts anytime during the day. It's quite painful in my arms. I tried not to take anything for it, but it got so bad I started taking Ibuprofen. I've also started taking cod liver oil and Glucosamine as I've heard that that is very good for painful joints. Not been taking Glucosamine for very long, so have to see if it makes a difference....I really hope so.
Going from not having any symptoms to full on and quite painful is a bit of a shock on my body.
Have been to the drs. Was told to do a diary of my symptoms and cycle to see if it coincideds with my hormone levels and if it is that that is making my joints hurt.
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I didn't find that glucosamine helped me at all - and neither did fish oil. However on someone's recommendation I have just started taking Boswellia which is the extract of the Frankincense tree - apparently! Too early to tell whether it's doing any good, but I also read that this can be helpful in skin cancer. As I've had this 3 times already - if it even prevents me getting so many that would be an extra added bonus!
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I started on hrt nearly 3 months ago and a bonus I did not expect was the end of my aches and pains. I think like many women I did not relate these pains to meno and thought it was all part of ageing, but since starting hrt they have almost disappeared. I am profoundly grateful. I had pains in my neck, wrists and hands and they have gone!!!!
I did read a recent report which said that glucosamine makes no difference at all to joint pain. I did try this myself and it had no effect at all, but everybody has a different experience, so it must work for some. Does anybody have any experience of joint pain after stopping hrt??
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Hi
Most of the stiffness and aches I had stopped with HRT . .. but now it's back, as bad as ever! And I am still on HRT :'(
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Hi all
Thought I would share how I cope with joint aches/pains. I have RSI in my wrists caused by many years of typing and through trial and error stumbled upon concentrated omega 3 capsules. They take away the pain in my wrists but also an unexpected bonus was all other aches and pains. The are anti infammatory and as well being good for your joints they are also good for your heart, brain and eyesight. Check out the website www.mind1st.co.uk
Peri x
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Hi am new to posting on here but have been reading a lot so thought I'd ask about my aches and pains. I started on elleste 1mg three months ago... Seemed to be working okay in regard to the hot flushes but this last few weeks have been feeling very low, anxious, over analysing myself and how I feel, think I'm going mad really. But have aches in my face and jaw a lot of the time , tension I think but , might sound silly, but I physically find it hard to smile ... My face seems set in stone and people at work are noticing and wondering why I'm looking miserable . I've already arranged to try the 2mg dose HRT from next week to see if that helps with my mood... Anybody else have these type of aches..?.
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I'm on Tibolone (Livial) and the aches are the only things that won't go away. Flushes, anxiety etc have eased but my shoulders and arms just hurt, same as they seem to have for ages. I take Ibuprofen as and when, not ideal but it gets me through. Shazz, I hope upping your HRT helps. It seems impossible to explain to anyone who hasn't been thru meno just how awful it makes you feel and the workplace can be a tough environment for us women at the best of times. You'll always find support here. xx :hug:
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Hi shazz1960 :welcomemm:
I'm newish to the forum too and so glad to be here. At lease I know I'm not going mad or dying!
I have issues with my face too - came on suddenly last August. Pins and needles, numb/cold feelings inside my mouth and on my cheeks and temples. As you can imagine I was scared to death I was having a stroke. I'm pleased to say that I'm still here!
Turns out that I clench my teeth subconsciously through the day and especially at night when asleep. This caused terrible pain in the jaw muscles and pinched the facial nerves.
I went to the dentist to have a mouth guard made and I wear it at night when I go to sleep. It doesn't stop the clenching but it lessens the wear and tear on the teeth and jaw muscles. I also went to a chiropractor who just happens to specialise in facial and neck injuries - I'm on the mend now. The rest is being looked after by a psychologist - again this is a work in progress.
So, after all that waffle - the best advice I have is to see your GP to rule anything else out and go see your dentist about the jaw problem too.
I hope this helps.
Galadriel x
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Hi Peri
Have just taken a look at the web sight and think i will give them a go.I was thinking of taking st johns wort for mild depression but if these help with that as well as my joint pain then i think they will be better. Will let you know if i find any improvement.
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Hi Star, I know they work cos if ever I run out I feel the difference within 2 or 3 days. I really hope they work for you too xx
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Excellent advice and even better is taking GLA omega 6, with omega 3
Gamma Linolenic Acid
& the its Therapeutic Uses
Borage Oil is rich in GLAThe most well known omega-6 fatty acid is called gamma-linolenic acid or GLA. GLA is found in mother´s milk and in the seeds of evening primrose, borage and black currant. GLA is a standard treatment for premenstrual symptoms including breast tenderness (also called mastalgia, mastodynia or mastopatia) in Europe and the United States - but GLA has many more benefits. It is even mentioned in the AMA's (American Medical Association) official textbook evaluating drugs.
The most important dietary omega 6 essential fatty acid is linoleic acid, which occurs in large quantities in plant oils. However, linoleic acid is biologically inactive and cannot be used by the organism in its naturally occurring form. For this to occur, the body must first change Linoleic Acid into Gamma Linolenic Acid (GLA).
A diet rich in plant oils does not necessarily protect against deficiencies of GLA, which can therefore be taken in the form of a food supplement.
GLA is extracted from plants which are rich in this fatty acid. The highest natural content is found in the medicinal herb borage (25% of which is composed of GLA). Blackcurrant seed oil contains rather smaller quantities (14%) of this essential fatty acid, while evening primrose contains 5-9% GLA.
Excellent sources of GLA include:
•Borage Oil (The Richest)
•Evening Primrose Oil
•Flax Oil
•Olive Oil
•Hemp Oil
When the body's production of GLA is facilitated, production of the beneficial prostaglandin PGE1 increases. This prostaglandin has a number of beneficial effects:
Evening Primrose is rich in GLA
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•it reduces the tendency of blood platelets to aggregate and thereby reduces the risk of blood clots
•it expands contract blood vessels, which may alleviate pains associated with angina pectoris (Angina)
•It expands the respiratory passages, prevents mucous formation, infections and asthma attacks
•It reduces cholesterol production
•It reinforces the effects of insulin
•It improves the activity of the immune system (primarily via its influence on the T-Lymphocytes)
The improved functioning of the T-Lymphocytes can be of great importance in the event of disturbed immune functions with, for example, ulcerative colitis, arthritic and related disorders, allergies, asthma and skin diseases
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hi
I started with severe joint pain stiffness a few weeks ago. I started taking estrogen and was told by a pharmisist said it could be a,side effect of the estrogen I had started taking.due to anti deoressants not working..haven't seen any difference yet on the estrigen either.My fingers swell too since i started taking it. I have a merina coil too for fibroids. I have been missing periods but don't know if that,is the merina stopping them.
I am the same on the morning feel 90 and stiff as a board. Pain in hands, legs, neck, ankles, wrists and arms.
I go to yoga and pilates and sometimes find it really painful to do the exercises.
I get very emotional and down hormonallu. God it's a rough ride for some of us.
Cherub0308
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I havent had a period since 1995 at 42
In the last few months Ive ached in my calves after 5 mins walking
Untill 2 years ago I walked up to 12klms a week since stopping work maybe 1/2 at most
My back which has been iffy for years 2 years ago finally gave out aches 24/7
I go to the Chiro practor 2/3 weeks apart Im fine for 2/3 days then back its age and degeneration
Nothing much I can do its odd I can dance I can walk (when I push through the ACHE in my legs)
I can sit on the motor bike I can touch my toes ITS just a crappy ache in my right hip
AND at the right back below my waist Ive tried loads and finally tried Osteo Panadol yesterday
Helped a fair bit but considering I took 2x 650 of panadol it didnt go Id hoped it would
I get fed up of it daily some morning It takes about hour before I can bend from the waist
Then Im fine except for the painy/ache I can do anyting lift sweep but gardening makes it bad
Good job Im not a gardener hehhehehe Only thing that concerns me is 5 weeks today
I start looking after my 4 mnth old grandson 2 days a week ow at the moment its fine
BUT Im a bit worried in 2/3 months hes going to be heavy Im keeping that to myself for now
Hes only 11lb or so now so I think and hope Ive got a fair while yet before I worry about lifiing
I never thought this would happen people dont get it cos Im dancing away@ride the M/bike
It could be worse but it does scare me a bit had scans Xrays thy said AGE and degeneration
Good job they said Im not overweight and dance and keep active I didnt ask why dont want to
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Hi Suzi - just want to say that an ache in the calves after walking for a short time can be due to something called claudication which is to do with narrowing of the arteries in the leg. Should be checked out. Mu mum and my brother both had this and medication really helped. It is really painful but gets better if you stop walking?
Taz x
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Hi Ladies,
I haven't managed to read all the posts on this topic, so sorry if my problem has been discussed previously but I'm finding it extremely difficult to do any exercise because my hips ache so much and I don't seemed to have much stamina these days! I read all the good advice re exercise and controlling your weight and the thought of going to the gym again did not appeal, so bought a treadmill. Tried very gentle, slow jogging, this was an absolute no no, my hips screamed afterwards :-\ so tried fast walking but this had the same effect :( !I have had to give up the treadmill and took up just normal walking for a mile or two but again I suffer afterwards! I feel as if I'm in a catch 22 situation, can't exercise because I ache and ache because of lack of exercise! I also ache elsewhere, in my elbows, hands and feet mainly but I'm finding the hip situation quite debilitating and upsetting! Considering buying some sort of cross trainer now as it may be a bit kinder on my hips ......watch this space!!
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Sorry that you are having this pain Dorymai. I felt similar aches and my doc is testing for Vitamin D levels - she feels sure this is the problem but, then again, I do hate the summer and sunshine which is where we get most of our vitamin D. If you are an outdoors person and eat a good diet then your levels may be ok. Have you asked your doc for tests to rule out arthritis or any inflammation?
Taz x
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Hi Dorymai, I also have a treadmill. I tried to jog on it and couldn't for similar reasons. Then also tried fast walking etc. Eventually I decided to start with slow walking and slowly increased speed and incline. Eventually got to fast walking without pain and then jogging. Admittedly I now suffer aches/pains again but more likely due to not warming up or stretching properly. Anyway, just wanted to mention this before you completely give up on the treadmill. Any exercise is better than none. Hope you get sorted soon. Obviously get checked out with doctor before trying anything else to strenuous though.
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Thank you for the advice ladies. Taz2, I already take vit D and have a good diet and spend quite a lot of time outside too so I would imagine my levels are ok and I have also had blood tests for 'inflammatory markers' and nothing showed! Cherylks , I think you have something there in that I expect to be able to do too much too quickly but I also find excercise really boring so want to get it out of the way! The treadmill is having a holiday at my sisters at the mo and I am busy gardening in the meantime, which I find makes me feel good and not so achy in the hips. The trouble is the aching is not just after exercise but also if I get up from a seat etc, only 48 (nearly 49) and already worn out! ???
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Dorymai by your description your pain maybe caused by sacroiliac joint dysfunction ( this maybe a shot in the dark as it can be caused by many things)
Here is some info http://www.spine-health.com/conditions/sacroiliac-joint-dysfunction/sacroiliac-joint-dysfunction-si-joint-pain
Pain from getting up from a seated position could be due to the tailbone
http://www.coccyx.org/whatisit/symptoms.htm
I have had both of these conditions.
Difficult to say what you can do, exercise and using inflammatory drugs/natural, Chiro and Osteopathy, have you tried fish oil or/and Borage oil?
I had the tailbone pain for years, had all the tests and suggested treatments and then suddenly it went, then I started with the SL joint had that for years, but now it has eased, but have been left with dull aching back when I over do things and also have a intermittent ache in lower left thumb joint.
Not sure if heavy duty exercise is a good thing, but gentle exercises, for the hands a rubber ball to squeeze while you are watching TV, walking or swimming. I think the main thing is to keep moving.
Creams and gels can help, Arnica gel or cream I find is good for a few hours on my thumb.
I use slow release ibuprofen occasionally if I have a flare up and one 500mg capsule seems to last for a few days.
Hope this has been of some help.
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Hi Silverlady, you could be right about my back as I have an area on my right hand side just across from my coccyx that is sore if I apply pressure. Also when I started doing one of my exercise videos about 6 months ago now I heard quite a loud crack in my hip area as I raised my right leg to kick out backwards. I went to the GP a couple of weeks after that as I started getting pain in my knee. He checked out my hip joints and said I has full mobility and was ok! I already take fish oils and have naproxen for when it gets really bad but I don't really like taking them I think I'll just have to go gently and I will have a look at the links you have sent. Thank you :)
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After suffering almost constant pain in my joints for years; it started with my neck and shoulder, then knees now hips, hands and feet are painful. My gp sent me to rheumatologist who has diagnosed me with hyper mobility syndrome. I have had symptoms for about five years so wonder if my symptoms are due to perimenopause and that HRT could help with this?
The pain really affects my hands and is causing problems at work i.e typing and driving. I am 51 and having regular periods that last two days. I have had the odd night where i have flushes but not every night. I have had low mood for years.
I am unsure about hrt as dont want to gain weight as this will cause further joint problems and again affect my mental health. I just cant seem to make a decision.
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Joint pains have been my biggest problem since coming off the pill at 49.
I have taken Elleste Duet 1mg for 3 months. Sometimes it appears to help, sometimes not. But I do not suddenly wake up with stiffness all over, like I was doing before. The pains are now in my hands, neck ( very uncomfortable turning at night) and the middle toes of my feet.
I think the pains appear gradually during the progestogen phase of Elleste. I will be keeping a diary. I kept a diary when I was not taking HRT (charting to avoid pregnancy) and perhaps the sudden 'attacks' I had before were due to the random, weak attempts at ovulation I seemed to be having.
The positive effects so far of hrt have included feeling better in myself, improvement in urge incontinence problems and a huge improvement in bleeding control (I was having periods every 2/3weeks)
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If I sit for long periods of time I get bad pain across my back and shoulders wondering what would help ?
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It sounds as if your posture may be at fault gladys. Some exercises here http://www.bigbackpain.com/posture.html
Taz x
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I've tried a few things myself and can identify with those of you who feel 90+ and ache too much to contemplate exercise.
I've come to this forum and found so many pages to go through for ideas and suggestions. I made a summary of the things discussed (Not really including HRT or pain killers) and not all tried or recommended. In fact I hadn't heard of some of them but I thought it might be helpful if I shared my summary here of the collective things we have all tried. Feel free to scroll back and find them in this thread or google the terms. Hope someone finds it useful. They are in no particular order, other than roughly forum order or when they popped into my head .
Here is the list
Glucosamine 1500mg
Paracetamol
Ibuprofen
Calcium
Magnesium
D3
Omega Oils 3,6 and 9
Evening Primrose Oil
Menopace
aromatherapy muscle rub containing camphor, rosemary, black pepper, eucalyptus and wintergreen
losing weight
Natural Progesterone Cream with DHEA in it
Oestrogen
Boron
Starflower oil
Lavender bag on feet
Manuka Honey
Swimming
Yoga/Pilates
Mattress toppers/feather bed
Magnets
LITOZIN which is derived from Rosehips
Chondrotin
Celadrin
"jointace", its a gel you use on your joints, it contains stuff like Eucalyptus, lavendar, ginger etc., also incorporates glucomacine and chrondroitin.
TENS machine advertised on Tv
boswellia serrata
massaging in emu oil
advil
Tylenol
Acupuncture
L GLUTAMINE, L ORNITHINE ALPHA KETOGLUTARATE in powder form in 100/200mls of water with a bit of juice 4 times a day 3mg each glass full
Mg, B and Ca tablets
Multivitamins
Relaxation
Hypnosis
Aleaxander Tecnique
Bowen Tecnique
MSM
Adcal D3
Sulphasalzine
Physio
Reiki
Monster Walk
sleep
running, cycling, dancing , gym
Tai Chi
Maca
Menoquin
regular Chiropractic, myofascial release
Mindfullness
Look into food and diet
herbal anti inflammatory, is to take Turmeric root
Boswellia which is the extract of the Frankincense tree
Gamma Linolenic Acid GLA (Borage oil)
Arnica Gel
Biosil (silica)
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Thanks Henrietta - it's good to see everything that's been suggested in one place!
Taz x :)
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Have to add Biosil (silica) to this list.
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If I've missed off anything else or you come across anything else just let me know
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Oestrogen should be added to the list - progesterone is on there but many women find that oestrogen does the trick (but obviously has to be taken with progesterone to protect the womb).
Hurdity
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Thanks Hurdity
I've slotted it in.
I noticed one of the most popular ones seemed to be the Glucosamine. When I gave this a try before it seemed to give me breast pain and as soon as I stopped taking it the breast pain ceased. I have recently quit Citalopram so thought I would give the Glucosamine another chance. No reaction to 500mg for 3 days so I uped it to 3 x 500mg yesterday and there all I will say at this early stage is no breast pain and felt like 90 this morning instead of 110.
I am hoping the pain was either a coincidence or a reaction to the Citalopram.
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Hi Henrietta
Have you thought of increasing your oestrogen dose a little and/or trying a different method of taking oestrogen (ie transdermal) - this might help especially as you are still young?
Hurdity x
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Hi Hurdity
I'm on 2mg Elleste Solo aged 48 and been taking it for 2 years now. I wasn't too keen on increasing dose as breast cancer in family history but they do say what you take before 50 doesn't increase your risk. Maybe I should speak to GP about it although she has never mentioned upping the dose.
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Just lately I've been waking up with really sore, stiff, aching hips. Walking around like an old woman at the moment
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such a relief to read this thread, all this pain, from out of the blue...i don't think i smile very much anymore...been seeing lots of mentions of Starflower oil, going to get some this payday...
dodgy achilles, and now my knee...couple of days ago it was my hips!! this feels wrong for 45 years old :(
x
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I started with pain in my right foot 4 months ago - hurts to walk! Now also have pain in my left wrist - can't use it and swollen! Rheumatologist says psoriatic arthritis and have to start methotrexate injections next week -'frankly quite terrified ...
Am on hrt and very active so this is a real pain as can't do anything - not coping at all
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Suzyq my partner has psoriatic arthritis and takes Sulfasalazine ( a derivative of methotrexate I think) in pill form.
It certainly has halted the progress of the disease and his pain and swelling has gone.
He does have to have his liver enzymes checked monitored every three months.
Please don't be scared.
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Thanks silverlady - nice to have some encouragement!!
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Hi Suzyq - my dad used to take methotrexate and sulphasalazine for his RA which included psoriatic arthritis and it really made him much more comfy. These treatments are very effective so try not to be scared and just look forward to feeling much better.
Taz x
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Thanks taz - trying to keep a positive outlook but every couple of hours panic hits .... Will try to force myself to docs for the injection!
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We'll all be with you - might be a bit crowded in the waiting room but I'm sure the doc will understand!
Taz x :ola:
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Well still trying to get he damn things! Had an appointment booked at clinic to inject but head nurse rang and said cause it's soo toxic they will only do with pre-filled syringes made up to the right dose by a specialist pharmacy! I am waiting for the rheumatologist to call me back to try to change to tablets as I just worked out that trying to get anyone to do it on the same day every week over Xmas and new year is probably going to be problematic! I was all psyched up too and pain is getting unbearable, so gotta try to get it sorted ASAP! Health care in canada is the pits sometimes!! Thanks for your support though -'sometimes others give us courage that we do not have on our own!!!
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does anyone one have a constant vibration or numbness in feet and hands at times with the joint pain? I can't get to the bottom of it but I feline I am tingling or vibrating.... MRI showed no MS or Parkinsons - I feel like I have general anxiety every day!
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Was one of my first symptoms, tingling in hands and feet. Am on hrt and don't get it there anymore but get tingling in head, neck and across my nose. Have had tests all of which are fine so really don't understand why it.happens x
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Hi Jenster
Yes I get this too. It started in 2009 (early stages of peri) and I have always been pretty convinced of a link. I get aching calves and balls of my feet too. Are you taking HRT at all? i haven't tried any myself, mainly because i can't face talking to a male doctor about it. i also have personal doubts about taking it.
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I only joined the forum yesterday and I'm delighted that there is such a lot of information here. Wonderful!
I'm 55 and menopausal. I'm fortunate in experiencing barely any symptoms apart from bad joint and muscle/ligament? Pain. I'm very active - keep a horse and ride as much as I can but I've been in such pain that ive really cut back on the hours in the saddle which makes me miserable.
I have just started taking an omega 3/6/9 oil supplement and was wondering about starting a glucosamine supplement too. But does it work? I seem to remember hearing that gps no longer recommended it?
Any advice gratefully received.
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Hi peeps...I'm new here...sadly not new to the menopause tho. A friend suggested I come take a look here as my GP's suggestion when asked how I should cope with the symptoms was, paracetamol for the hip pain (tramadol barely touches it) & I should "celebrate being normal" & having night sweats! All very well for him to say but I'm seriously struggling with feeling so low, tired & in almost constant pain :(. I remarried in August last year to a man 7 yrs my junior & I'm pretty sure he didn't sign up for the misery he's found himself with.
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Hello all, new here as well - put a rather ranting post on New Here with all my details. Aged 49, had total hysterectomy and ovaries removed due to endometrial cancer and put into a very unpleasant surgical menopause (had very regular periods up to op - actually went into op with a period - oh the shame.....!) My joint pain started not long after - particularly my elbows, shoulders, neck and my knees. It is never a lone joint that is affected always the pair but 1 side is always more painful than the other. Also developed frozen shoulder which is excruciating - but had first injection on Wednesday to help with that.. My point is that my consultant will NOT put me on HRT - only grade 1a cancer - very early. I have not suffered hot flushes - in fact I am freezing - to my bones which is very uncomfortable. I have hypothyroid but that is all under control - haven't been this uncomfortable since before diagnosed with hypothyroid. Has anyone got HRT after endometrial cancer? Please advise....
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Just to add I am taking since New Year : Menopace, Menomood, Devils claw, rosehip +vit C, calcium+ vitD, soy tablets and cuprofen and paracetamol.........
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Hi Ladies,
I recently had an hysterectomy last June 2014 and had everything removed so i have crashed into menopause, i am 44yrs the doctor put me on HRT elleste solo tablets which was ok they got rid of the hot flushes which was what i found the most troubling but then i heard about how its dangerous for you so i panicked and stoppped taking them obviously the flushes came back and i started feeling very low and i started to feel so achy i felt like a 90 yr old every joint hurt especially my hip joints so i researched and found that hrt patches were apparently better for you so i have now started the patches elleste solo mx 40 im still getting the odd hot flush but the pains in my hips are unbearable i am not sleeping because as soon as i am led in a position for a while the pain are like throbbing burning from my hips down my legs and then i have to try and move into another position. Has anybody else had these symptoms? Im wondering if i haven't given the patches enough time to get into my system, I am im only 44 and i feel so old i cant cope with these pains like this for the rest of my life, has anyone got any advice please?
Many Thanks
Mo
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Hi momo49
Firstly :welcomemm: and also your body has had a tremendous shock with being plunged into sudden menopause and it can take a good while to recover and to find the level of oestrogen replacement to deal with your symptoms.
The dose of 40 mcg is very low for someone in your position so what you really need to do is to gradually increase it, especially at your age, until you reach a level at which most of your symptoms have gone. I would suggest this may be at least a 75 mcg patch and maybe up to 100 mcg. However slow increase is the thing - to minimise side effects. Also yes you do need to give it time.
Some women in your position (total removal inc ovaries) find that testosterone replacement is also beneficial. You would know if yours had declined considerably because your libido would have dropped to near zero! If it's OK then no problem. There is info on this site about libido and testosterone following hysterectomy here:
http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/aftermeno.php (scroll down)
http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/testosterone.php
I would get along to the doc and ask for a higher dose. I am still on 50 mcg and I am 62! Replacing oestrogen at your age is not associated with risks because you are below the natural average age of menopause of 51 or 52. In fact there are probably more health risks to not replacing HRT from early menopause (so the research tells us).
Good luck and hope you feel better soon.
Hurdity x
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Hi Hurdity,
Thanks for replying back, I have just made an appointment with my doctor so hopefully i can up the dosage and get sorted out, my libido is not good either so i will mention what you suggest to her. This site is wonderful i feel more at ease now i thought i was the only one feeling like this as a lot of people i had spoken to said "oh HRT is wonderful i had loads of energy and no aches or pains" :-\
This certainly hasn't happened to me yet, but i will be patient and get the right dosage level sorted out hopefully!
Thanks so much
Mo xx
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I am having terrible pain and stiffness in my ankles. Not sure if it is the joint though because the pain feels like it it coming from my achilles tendon. I have been diagnosed with a vitamin D deficiency and wondered if that is making my joint weak. I wear quite heavy safety boots for work and think they are putting stress on my weakened ankles. Anyone else have pain in their ankles, what did you find helped? I have started wearing support bandages, but not a good look with flip flops.
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It can happen with low vitamin d toffeecushion. Once you get your levels up things should improve. How are you doing with your tablets?
Taz x
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Thanks Taz,
Have just started taking 3 a day, feeling better about taking them though :)
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:foryou:
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My knee and shin pain has neen particularly bad so I doubled my vit d3 and it is much better. Thinking I might take 3 a day same as you toffeecushion
PN x x
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Does anyone know if you can actually overdose on vit d3?
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I have been told to take 5 a day, but I am deficient. I hate taking anything but know I have to to feel any better, the ankle pain is so bad that I am wondering whether to go back to the doctors.
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Hi Jenster. Know absolutely what you mean. Some days it is there all day some days not at all but very tired of it. Feel I'm ageing overnight. Also now low back pain, heaviness in bottom, feet sometimes cold and sometimes burning. It's never ending. And the anxiety well, if it wasn't for these pages I would be a total and utter wreck. Has your numbness/tingling improved any?
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Good Morning ladies.
Currently experiencing knee pain for the first time ever. Periods tailing off - just 2 so far this year - so I'm presuming it's meno (age) related. I've seen a product called 'Flexiseq' advertised - has anyone tried this? I've tried using the search button, but nothing is coming up. Thanks
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I am in the later stages of peri meno and I mentioned to my doctor recently that some of my joints were aching and he suggested that I take Cod Liver Oil and Evening Primrose Oil and I duly bought a combined capsule of both those things from an online chemist. The aching seemed to ease but someone mentioned to me that you can overdose on some Vitamins. I looked up the NHS website and found this
http://www.nhs.uk/CONDITIONS/VITAMINS-MINERALS/Pages/Vitamin-A.aspx
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vitamins-minerals/Pages/Vitamin-D.aspx
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vitamins-minerals/Pages/Vitamin-E.aspx
Now I am not sure what to do for the best. The information on the bottle says that there is 100% of the recommended daily amount of Vit A and D and 58% of RDA of Vit E in these capsules. I have been trying to stick to a healthy diet as my weight is creeping upwards but now worry that eating my 5 a day plus these capsules will be too much.
Any thoughts or advice ladies?
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I am no expert but from what you say, it would seem to be fine.
Vit A is the one most likely to be overdosed as it is stored in the liver. This is more likely if you eat a lot of liver, especially pigs liver from intensively reared pigs. If you are worried, you could get fish oil, rather than cod liver oil next time.
Vit D - the rda is about 5ug (200IU) which is what you usually find in multivits etc. Supplements to raise blood levels are usually 10ug or 25ug (1000IU). Some experts think that it should be even higher. So no problems there. If you get plenty of sunshine (at least 20mins/day on as much as you are willing to expose, without suncream) you make what you need in the summer, but not in the winter, and you will not make too much if your levels are already high.
Not sure about vit E, but if your supplement is less than the rda, not likely.
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Thanks for the reply dahliagirl. I keep telling myself that the doctor wouldn't have recommended it if it was dangerous, but it just takes one negative comment to make me start questioning that. Is there anything that is good to take, that doesn't cause bad side effects? Chocolate?!! ;D
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No, not chocolate either >:(
I cut down on the very dark chocolate after a kidney stone (high oxalic acid) only to discover that cocoa butter in milk and white was a no no for high cholesterol when mine was raised ::) Anyway, after I had given up worrying about either of those, I bought a (small) bar of swiss milk chocolate from the simply food shop of a well-known knicker supplier - after 2 squares, my throat was itching - it contains ground hazlenuts and set off my oral allergy :'(
I have gone off chocolate and stick to the gin now ;)
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;D. Gin as a cure for joint aches?! Maybe it doesn't help the ache, you just don't care about it any more...
That's a shame about not being able to eat chocolate Cubagirl, though I am finding that it has a side effect of an ever bigger tummy :oops:
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Before finding this site I didn't realise joint pain was a symptom. It does explain why my knees ankle and shoulders all hurt like hell. Glucosamine seems to help the knees but even a steroid in didn't sort the shoulder. Have given up on the achilles pain as nothing helps.
L
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I have an ache in my neck most days, though when I was away on holiday it went away completely. I also get an ache in my hips from time to time which gets to the point where I feel like I can't walk any further. Oddly, it didn't flare up at all when I was away camping for a week and walked about 20-30 miles during the week but has flared up twice when I've only been walking for a mile at most. At it's worst I felt like I couldn't walk another step and was going to have to sit down right where I was but managed to push myself on.
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I found some of my aches went when I took a vit D3 supplement and they come back if I stop, especially the neck and hip ones.
It is interesting that yours went when you were on holiday - were you outdoors more?
Also, moving around and walking is way better than sitting. Even sitting in bed with a pile of pillows is painful sometimes.
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I'll have a look for a D3 supplement. We were outdoors and on the move all day when we were away whereas I am a couch potato at home much more.
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You shouldn't be deficient in Vitamin D in the summer and especially if you've been outdoors and had the sun on your skin. It is stored in the liver so, your own stores should last you as long as your diet is good too. I can't see any harm in taking a low dose though. Perhpas it has more to do with moving about. I started to get joint aches when I was peri-menopausal and made a conscious effort to take more exercise and still do (at age 62). I also started HRT and together this helps to keep me more supple than I would otherwise be - although still have weird stiff ankles in the morning when I get out of bed!
Neck-ache - do you sit at a computer in a hunched position or something similar? Pillow/mattress problems?
Hurdity x
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*Hurdity* yes, I think time spent at the computer is to blame for the neck ache. As for being outdoors, I spend as much time as I can outdoors when I'm not at work so I should have enough vitamin D. My diet is pretty appalling though, mainly due to lack of cash.
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You could ask to have your vitamin D level checked peripenguin. Most docs will do that nowadays as so many people are deficient. My GP advises that you need to have around fifteen minutes a day of full sun on your forearms and your face - face must be bare with no moisturiser or make up which then goes against the protecting yourself against skin cancer advice. This is the NHS advice http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Summerhealth/Pages/vitamin-D-sunlight.aspx.
I use a vitamin D spray which you just use under your tongue each morning. I feel far less achy than I did. My levels were just under the recommended amount last August but, then again, I love the winter and tend to squirrel myself away in the summer!
Taz x
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I think the computer can be blamed for both keeping you in an awkward position for too long, and keeping you indoors ;)
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Started oestrogen only hrt 1 1/2 weeks ago & my legs knees Achilles are aching. Do you think this is a coincidence or would have happened anyway. Really worrying md
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I have started on a higher oestrogen and ache too, but I ached before, so it is hard to tell.
I have gone back onto the vit D3 tablets, as I am sure the spray does not work for me - I was going to wait until the hrt had settled but got desperate, so it going to be hard to tell what works now. I have been a bit better over the last few days (I have had 2 weeks so far). Now I have to just keep moving............
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Hello, I take vit d too. Everything started to ache 1 week into the hrt estrogen only and I havent ached before. except for my face. Really cant be dealing with this too.
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hello peterspots!
I always get sore ankles and lower legs the day after I change my patch. It is so bad that next morning that I can hardly walk. It is not the bottom of my feet like plantar fasciitis, it is sore aching in the lower legs and ankles. I think it is due to the higher estrogen levels after changing the patch and maybe due to water retention although the ankles aren't swollen...it goes away after first day.
You are on a lot of estrogen with the patch and pill both. You could try to lay off the pill a day or 2 to see if it gets better??
Sorry for your problems.
Andius
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Thank you. I could try that for a week. I did wonder if it was becuase of fluid cos my feet seem fat & they have always been skinny things
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I find a hot strong cup of coffee with paracetamol on waking really eases the aches. I always wake up with them. Stiff as a board!
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Hi
may not work for everyone but have cut out coffee during the week. Have always loved my coffee but since cutting it out have been a lot less achey :) and getting up in the morning is a lot easier. Some said it plays havoc with the liver during menopause and strips Calcium from the body. I don't know much about this, but have definitely noticed a difference in just a couple of weeks.
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I did this too! I love coffee but our relationship was not working anymore...
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Hello,
My gynecologist recommended me to use Estrobalance product to treat menopausal symptoms, as I did not want to use hormones. Taken as directed, it is very effective in eliminating menopause symptoms for me, i.e., hot flashes, night sweats, mood swings, headaches & more!
Slowly slowly I recover from this. And I have read good reviews of this product, before buying I would like to suggest you to please visit....https://www.consumerhealthdigest.com/menopause-supplement-reviews/estrobalance.html..
And read this reviews, ingredients, advantages and disadvantages.
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Hi,
I've found Serrapeptase to be a bit of a miracle worker when it comes to joint pain.
I was diagnosed with OA in my big toes a couple of years ago and was having a lot of bad pain when walking (which was a big shock as only 50!) and I was feeling quite low about what I'd do when I was older.
It has made such a difference and I really rarely get any pain at all. Others I have told think it's fantastic too. Worth a try! :)
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Just started on Esteogen again (Esteogen) with 100 urogesteran every day and again within a week it has made my joints/muscles ache. It has helped my bladder but it's so demoralising. Last time with evorel I stopped for 2 weeks &
It stopped & I started with estrodot & didn't have the same problem. I wanted to continue with the Esteogel & don't know whether it will ease off. Has anyone else had this experience.
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Hi all,
Fairly new to the site and M experience. Have been experiencing joint and muscle pain for over 18 months. Worst is on waking, and is most painful in neck, back, shoulders and the tops of my arms. Last year I discovered I had reverse lordosis in my neck and narrowing of my spine. I have changed my sleeping postion and pillows etc to assist. However the aching is getting more intense again. In fact today I'm close to tears with the pain. I don't have swollen joints apart from old breaks. I'm recovering from a broken wrist and now have tendonitis in my shoulder, which is probably where my body has been compensating for the wrist. Awaiting a DEXA scan which I found out today was "lost in the post" so GP sending out a fresh referral. Having read through previous threads I am going to try Glucosamine (again) as well as upping my Vit D through supplements. I am 34, not on HRT, still have periods and am active.
I think I'm looking for an online cuddle today more than anything 😢
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Thanks Sparkle,
I haven't had my Vitamin D checked. I was given an osteoporosis leaflet and advised to follow that advice. I feel I may need to go back to the GP but worried I'm coming across as a hypochondriac at the mo 😷
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I also thank Dr Currie for starting these threads.. I suffer from Osteo Arthritis, which as got worse gradually over the last 5yrs, the last 3 have been the worse, due to hot sweats, i walk around in winter, dressed for summer, and during the night, find anywhere that is freezing cold, just to cool down quicker, so i can breathe again.
The pain at present is bad in my knee's and elbows, i take gloucosamine 1000mg daily, but the last few weeks on GP's advice, have been taking 3 anti inflammatory tabs daily, the knee pain was so acute, i was off work for 2 wks, back now, but on my feet 8hrs a day, so by the end of my shift the pain is back again, however not so bad now...
Like Pops, i am really pleased to say, and i hope i am not tempting fate, but my hot sweats have not been to bad the last 2 days/nights, for 2wks i have been taking Boron 3mg daily, and for 8 days have taken Starflower oil as recommended by Star, dont know if it is my body starting to wind down, OR a combination of the the tabs, but not going to stop the tabs to find out, this morning i got up and felt better than i have in ages, had i hot sweat and 2 mild flushes, and like Pops this is a drastic reduction, soooo hoping it lasts(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/davanne21/ura1.gif)
Does the joint pain get better once our bodies get use to the change. I can't believe we go from periods to all this other wonderful stuff. What a trade off!!
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Does the joint pain get better once our bodies get use to the change. I can't believe we go from periods to all this other wonderful stuff. What a trade off!!
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Mine have 07richard. I'm probably late peri now, periods are two or three months apart and I've gone from dreadful joint and muscle pains to more what I would call 'normal'. There were times when I hobbled about like a 90 year old and that isn't the case now. I'm not saying things are perfect but definitely better. Hope I haven't just jinxed it!!
S x
I just want to get on with enjoying life with out waking up wondering if I'm going to have to use a walker, cry, kill someone or have a period that I am going to need to use my pillow as a pad. :(
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Hi I am 45 and have been feeling completely exhausted and suffering with what I can only describe as throbbing bones with a burning sensation for a few months. GP has taken bloods which show raised white blood cells but everything else normal. Waiting for ultra sound scan (not sure why) and told to take hrt oestrogen only, however not tested my levels. Has anyone experienced this bone pain (which is all over my body no specific area) as I am unclear as to whether it is menopause related?
Feeling at a loss
Thanks H x
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Hi. I am 45 and started my meno journey about a year ago. I suffer with terrible aches and pains. Sometimes it's difficult to even get out of bed let alone go to work.
I am using evorel sequi patches and sertraline which seem to reduce most of my other symptoms, but I've resigned myself to the fact that I will never be the same again.
As for the aches and pains I take Devils Claw. It's really good and does make the pain easier day to day.
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I cannot relate my joint aches to meno as I have an undetermined autoimmune disease which causes inflammation and aches and pains when I get a flare. I have noticed they are worse lately, hopefully when hrt kicks in it should help.
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A year ago I was sooooo smug! I was 49 feeling like 29! I had few hot flushes and lost my hearing, I thought I had caught an ear infection, got most not all of the hearing back but with bad tinnitus, once I was out of fight or flight suicide mode the flushes came back with pains all over my body! Drs can't make it out, after joining this forum I now know why in one year I feel I have aged 30!
I am so coming back as a man! ;D
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I get really strange joint/muscle pains. They come on very suddenly and its more like a feeling of needing to stretch/shake out the joint. it's not so much painful as a tightening or a pressure...it's very hard to describe.
It affects my fingers, wrists, elbows, shoulders in the joints and muscles and sometimes my leg muscles, not the joints.
I have a massager that I sometimes use all over the bits that hurt which seems to help, if it's too bad my only solution is to take a combination of painkillers.
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I really hope someone can relate to my problem, I have for the last year had the most awful muscle wastage and pain and have lost nearly 2 stone, I have pain in my hips, knees and shoulders, I have been seeing a rheumatologist who has done multiple bloods but is now saying all this is probably caused by lack of oestrogen, my doctor is useless and I am now trying to see a gynaecologist, I don't sleep through pain and from a healthy outdoor person who would be outside riding horses all day I'm now a weak 60 year old frail woman who can hardly lift a kettle, please any advice or opinions would be most welcome
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Can you get on some sort of hrt regime JanetB, oestrogen replaces what your body is no longer making and should make a difference. I'm on evorel 50 patches and find them very good. When I became peri menopausal I also had lots of aches and pains and started to take Pura Epa fish oil tablets from Mind 1st, (they're a concentrated dose better than anything you can buy on high street) I still take 4 a day and all my aches and pains have gone. Good luck and hope you're feeling better soon x
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Joint pain??...OMG Where do I start??
I am 48, post menopausal. Waiting at the moment to see my doctor and start HRT.
The joint pain is quite interesting to hear about. I have had osteoarthritis for the past 5 years in my knees. I'm a little overweight, so to be expected really.I was worried though as I started having pains in my hands, neck and back. And before I read about the lack of estrogen=sore joints theory ,I thought my arthritis was on the move. So it's a wee sigh of relief to realise its just another symptom of menopause ::)
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Hello again Tracii, yes, I have osteoarthritis in my fingers but I also have a very weak grip and shooting pains in my wrists. Sometimes my hips try to stop me getting out of bed in the morning too. This menopause lark is certainly no joke is it?
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I've started developing joint pains (59, well past meno although my GP says we're never past it!!) over the last few weeks. Can they also be caused by anxiety?? Before that, I was convinced I had bowel cancer, but no real symptoms other than mild pains and probably just IBS. That disappeared when my figure and knee joints started to ache. I'm always feeling scared of some major disease. Anyone else??
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Sorry, meant to say finger not figure!
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Hi there, This is my first post on MM :) I have a feeling it won't be my last. When I first started to get symptoms about three months ago, I noticed that my left arm/shoulder/hand was starting to ache/go numb periodically. Initially I thought it was my tendency to sleep on my left side and also the fact that I am left-handed. I have changed my sleeping position and eased off on using the left arm/shoulder in particular, even wearing a sling to support it, which seemed to help. But I still get aches and weird little shooting pains and sore hands- raised veins and even little pinging pains in my neck. They come and go but I still get them. Started to think I had Carpel Tunnel Syndrome for a bit. This is what happens, each symptom throws up new possibilites/leads but I tell myself:'It's only the menopause' :o Since March, I have taken a month's course of Menopace, as I was getting other symptoms such as palpitations and hot flushes. I also took MSM for a while which helped a good deal, it's a bioactive sulphur which is said to ease joint pain. Holland & Barrett sell it. It seemed to do the trick and the shoulder joint felt much better within a few days, although I stopped taking it after a week as it is unpleasant. I now take tumeric, which is an anti-inflammatory and a good multivit, vit D3 and magnesium, but that's more for sleeping. I have been on HRT for just over two weeks- my oestradiol level was low and no doubt the cause of the aches but I still get pains in my left hand- think it's more related to blood coursing in my veins, which are now quite often raised on the back. The back of my hand to it! I suppose I will get used to it and hope that it will ease the longer I take HRT, which has already helped a good bit with palps etc although I still do get the flushes.
Hope this is helpful :)
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Hi Roseycheeks
:welcomemm:
I hope your joint pains and other symptoms continue to improve the longer you are on HRT. It is usual to give it 3 months before deciding whether it works or not or whether a different type might be better. Hopefully your pains will ease sufficiently for you to take regular exercise which will of course be beneficial for your joints and overall health.
Do introduce yourself in the new members section so that more members can welcome you. :)
Hurdity x
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Hi Hurdity, Thanks for that- I'm out of town @ the mo but I will introduce myself properly on my return- thinks MM is great. I am a lot more together since taking ye olde HRT but I am still getting the odd little moment where it feels like something's going to kick off, then it settles down again. They call it an aura 🙄 but now instead of a HF, I just get a twinge in my neck or a warm rush in my left hand, arm, shoulder for a few seconds or a slightly fast heart beat for a short time. I would love to get my oestradiol tested again- presumably my level has increased in the last three weeks. I have tried to stick to two squirts of Oestrogel in the morn but I often feel like topping up to be honest, esp if I am going out anywhere of an evening- I did so last sat before a Girls' night out💄🥂🙏🏽 Have you any thoughts on this Hurdity? I think I read that you are a seasoned HRT user😜😊👍 Also on the subject of suspected last period, I still have not had mine, that's over five weeks since my last period & I started taking HRT two weeks after my period so should have had a bleed by now surely? The doc put me on cyclical HRT because I was still having periods- but if it all suddenly stops, should I be on continuous HRT instead? Thanks in advance for any enlightenment😊👍
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Well Ladies, back for more advice and noticed this thread regarding joint pain. I am 54 and still having regular periods with no sign of a hot flush! Back in October last year I got really bad pains in my left shoulder and my back felt really tight, the Dr said it was arthritis but I was not convinced and went for a course of treatment with a chiropractor, whether that helped or not I am not sure but when the warmer weather came the pain definitely abated so thought it possibly could be arthritis. However, we are having the hottest weather here at the moment and I have pains down my left hand side, particular in my upper arm, ankle, hip and knee areas. It is particularly painful when I am in bed, I can't lay on my left hand side my hip and leg is just too painful. Any ideas??
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Hi dandelion, might be worth getting your vitamin d levels checked? I had the same just before peri kicked in and will never know if the vitamin d sorted it, or if I just went onto the next stage. Worth checking though.
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Thank you nearly 50 I will do that, anything to help, I'm sure this is all hormone related, I just can't prove it!!
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A physio would be able to give you exercises to do maybe too. In my case I had many trigger points they released.
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Hi All,
I started with severe knee pain so bad that i couldn't climb steps. As that pain started to recede my elbows started to hurt and i couldn't lift things. These pains slowly went away and then i had left shoulder pain. I couldn't even buckle myself in the car. i had to get shots on my shoulder for pain. After a while that disappeared and i started to have left hip pain. Doctor diagnosed it as osteoarthritis. Right now this is where i am. It is difficult to walk even moderate stretches and it hurts along with my left knee when i have slept on the left side for some time. it wakes me up. All this happened over a period of 3 1/2 years. The orthopedic prescribed physiotherapy, which didn't help much. Once a week i went to rehab sport led by trained sport therapists, and that helped a lot. Other than that i use Voltaren pain balm and Ibuprofen for pain, if it gets acute. I also have had cervical spondulytis on my neck vertebrae for many years from overuse of computers and stress. So i avoid sitting in front of computers for too long. It is better now. I have quit going to the orthopedic now. Long time ago i tried acupuncture for pain in my knee and that helped.
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:-*. Hi I am Suffering with severe joint an muscle ache , I could sit in a corner an cry in so much pain , the severity of the pain an the joint differ every nite last nite iv been in agony most of the nite with. I sleep again.
My wrist an elbow I can't even move or straighten
Hurts to touch
Along with legs ankles knees hips that all ache too
PleAse someone give any advice
I'm
Not on hrt
I have appt with rheumatology next week too
Joint Pain has been bad in the last couple of weeks shoulders, hips and knees . I finally got my doctor to run some tests. No answers back yet. I have lost 17 lbs in 2 months have to force my self to eat and now have a rash on one side of my body chest arms and legs. I just want to get better I am going to be seeing a rhemutologist and hopefully she will be able to give me some answers. I feel for each and everyone of you that have posted. Has anyone ever had a rash like this accompanied by joint pain?? Why isn't more being done to help us ??????
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Thank you all for posting on this site, it has made me feel as though I am not alone!
Brief history: periods stopped at 49, been having hot flushes/night sweats since and occasional mood swings. Already taking glucosamine, had previous shoulder joint problems. I am now 55.
Woke up one morning in April this year with a pain in my neck. Over the course of about a week, it spread on my left side (I am left-handed) to the muscle along the shoulder blade, sometimes shoulder joint, tricep muscle, elbow joint, forearm muscle and wrist. I was in agony. I didn't want to take HRT, I prefer a natural approach, so I did a lot of research and came up with the following plan:
STEP 1. LINDA KEARNE'S MENOPAUSE CAKE. (Other recipes based on this can also be found online). It took about 3-4 weeks of eating a slice every day, but I definitely found some improvement in my symtoms, especially my joints. I also started taking an Omega 3 supplement too. I found some relief using a wheat bag that can be heated in the microwave – mine has lavender inside. Used a cool stick on hot days, again with lavender. Put a mattress topper on the bed to make it slightly more comfortable to sleep. However, I was still having a lot of muscle pain. Time to do more research, which led to...
STEP 2. MAGNESIUM. Various studies say that 60 to 80% of the population may be deficient in magnesium. One of the main symptoms is MUSCLE PAIN. There are several ways to increase magnesium (in addition to food intake), it can be absorbed through the skin or taken as supplements:
Bath or foot bath - with EPSOM SALTS (magnesium sulfate) or MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE FLAKES. This can be quite costly if you use the amount stated on the packet each time.
Supplements – I started taking a combination MAGNESIUM/CALCIUM/VIT D/VIT K tablet, as there is a complex relationship between these vitamins and minerals.
Magnesium Oil Spray (although it is technically not an oil) - this has been a complete life changer for me! You can buy ready made sprays, but I decided to make my own. It is very easy to do, equal measures of magnesium bath flakes and pure water. Boil the water, add the flakes so that they dissolve, cool, then pour into a spray bottle. This is much cheaper than buying a ready made spray. If you have sensitive skin, you may have a rash appear for a week or two and it may tingle or sting when you apply it. Consult a doctor if you have any doubts about trying this, especially if you have kidney problems or have low blood pressure.
I have been using the spray for just over 2 weeks and I am now able to do gardening, housework etc. I still have a minor amount of pain, but it is more just a slight niggle. I have my life back!
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Hello Everyone,
I am 52 and started suffering like all of you with symptoms of the dreaded menopause 3-4 years ago. It started with the usual night sweats and difficulty sleeping and the usual issues with the sex life. My GP said I was peri-menopausal and since my symptoms were coming and going at that point and I was just 48 decided to see how things went. I was offered a cream to help with the love life so that was something.
Now at 52 I am currently taking nothing and my hot flushes only come at night - thank God. Difficulty sleeping at night is a given but the most recent and difficult issue is joint pain. The pain in my right hip and knee is probably the worst and keeps me up at night. I have paracetamol and water on my bedside table to help get me through the night which I need almost every night. My Dr arranged an XRay last week and I am due to receive the results this Tuesday.
I suffer with pain in both my heels, my right wrist (particularly when putting a bra on and off) both knees, my right hip and by back. I regularly struggle to get up and down stairs and often walk sideways or take the stairs on my hands and knees. I was diagnosed with Scoliosis some years ago which is not severe but makes it difficult to know if the menopause is contributing to my back pain as well.
18 months ago following 3 years under a Dermatologist taking antibiotics, I was put onto a very powerful drug called Roacutane for Rosacea, the consultant called it 'the nuclear weapon' for my condition and it was a last chance saloon to treat it. I was aware this drug had numerous side effects, some quite awful but regrettably I decided to take the risk. After 10 weeks of the 20 week treatment I was taken off the drug as I was in so much pain in the joints of both my feet/ankles and I was struggling to walk at all. I was then diagnosed with Achilles Tendinopathy in both feet by a specialist physio. I did some research and discovered one side effect was severe joint pain, especially in the feet which the physio was horrified to see when he also researched the drug I was taking. It took some months before I could walk for more than 10 minutes and was on strong painkillers.
With my history of joint pain and scoliosis it is hard to know how much pain is caused by menopause and how much by my back condition and the potential damage caused by the medication I took previously. What I do know is I am in pain on a daily basis and every night. I don't sleep well and am at the stage where I feel something has to change.
I have read many posts and feel for you all, we are all the the dreaded M club and are finding our way through each day. I am learning much about drugs and herbal remedies and am so very grateful for anything I pick up from here that may help me. I go to Zumba, Legs Bums and Tums. Aerobics and Pilates, 5 classes a week in total but sadly I am considering dropping the Aerobics and Legs Bums and Tums due to my knee pain. I gained about 2 stone and have managed to get one back off, my waistline is certainly not what it used to be but I eat as healthily as I can, I do not drink or smoke, what more can you do.
I hope I have not gone on too much, just felt I needed to tell the full story.
Thanks for listening to a new member moan. :(
R
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Hi Sparkle,
Thanks for the welcome :)
I have not had my Vit D checked but am due to make an appointment with the menopause specialist GP so will be asking what can be done to help my current issues. I will definitely mention a Vit D check though so many thanks. Sorry to hear about your CFS - take care.
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I know this is an old post but just wondered if anyone had any clues.. I've recently been prescribed Prednisone after the flu- docs said I needed it again as my chest has been weakened. I suffer from asthma and Sarcoidosis so steroids are a regular requirement after a cold or flu.
Had posted in a different part of this page about the steroids.
I've found that my achy joints,bones have felt better since being in the prednisone. My arms,elbows,wrists,upper legs,hips and sciatic nerves have all been achy but since the steroids have felt lots better. Is this normal? Has anyone else experienced this?
Be interesting to see what happens after the course of tablets.
I do take Vit D and evening primrose caps, they'd had no effect on the aches.
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I don't really understand steroids, but they do seem to make a lot of things better. A friends mother (90s) was put on them recently for a short while and suddenly she could get herself on the loo and loads of stuff. Unfortunately she could not stay on them so she reverted back.
I have found that I need a bit of magnesium when taking vitamin D otherwise the pains in my neck and back etc come back. I have tried Epsom salts (which I found in the pound shop :) ) and they seem to work, but it is so up and down it is hard to tell.
I also find frequent gentle exercise helps and not staying in one position for long.
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This is very interesting as I am currently suffering with my knees hips and especially thighs. Is there a alternative to oestrogen as after my total hysterectomy I will no longer need progesterone but will need oestrogen. I have gained so much weight on HRT
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Just seen this post and even although it is an old one I thought I would still post. I am 67, not overweight. I have advanced osteoarthritis and now it is particularly bad in my lower back and neck. I take GOPO which is expensive but it does mean my hands can work more easily. I also walk twice a day for half an hour and have a few exercises to do in the afternoon with a resistance band to try and make the muscles stronger around the discs. This is still a work in progress
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This is very interesting as I am currently suffering with my knees hips and especially thighs. Is there a alternative to oestrogen as after my total hysterectomy I will no longer need progesterone but will need oestrogen. I have gained so much weight on HRT
Hi Jojo, what is the pain in your thighs like? I have had painful thighs, especially the right thigh for a couple of weeks now. I'm on Elleste duet 2mg. My thighs feel achy off and on through the day like a cramp.
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I have been taking turmeric paste (home made) regularly which hugely improved my knee pain....BUT (and there's always a but) I started to experience really rather severe aches in my ankles, arch of my left foot, hips and back to the extent that all I wanted to do was sit down and not move anywhere but which made me think there was probably something else going on. I am very active - always on my feet with work - and I walk a lot with my dog.
I was petrified I had some sort of arthritis and had a mad panic about the future so went to the doctor. He told me I had flat feet & they were the cause of my aches and pains. To get an NHS appt with a podiatrist has taken 3 months, so in the meantime I bought some orthotic insoles which have REALLY improved things.
What I'm trying to say, I guess, is not to assume it's 'just menopause' that's giving you your aches and pains. I've had flat feet all my life and they have never caused me any problems. But they do now & it's very common for this sort of thing to develop in later life!! Flat feet & other foot issues can completely throw your ankles, knees, hips and back out of their correct alignment and cause all sorts of problems.
If you have achey ankles, knees, hips and back it might just be worth getting your trotters looked at by your doctor :)
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I have been taking turmeric paste (home made) regularly which hugely improved my knee pain....BUT (and there's always a but) I started to experience really rather severe aches in my ankles, arch of my left foot, hips and back to the extent that all I wanted to do was sit down and not move anywhere but which made me think there was probably something else going on. I am very active - always on my feet with work - and I walk a lot with my dog.
I was petrified I had some sort of arthritis and had a mad panic about the future so went to the doctor. He told me I had flat feet & they were the cause of my aches and pains. To get an NHS appt with a podiatrist has taken 3 months, so in the meantime I bought some orthotic insoles which have REALLY improved things.
What I'm trying to say, I guess, is not to assume it's 'just menopause' that's giving you your aches and pains. I've had flat feet all my life and they have never caused me any problems. But they do now & it's very common for this sort of thing to develop in later life!! Flat feet & other foot issues can completely throw your ankles, knees, hips and back out of their correct alignment and cause all sorts of problems.
If you have achey ankles, knees, hips and back it might just be worth getting your trotters looked at by your doctor :)
How much have the orthotic insoles helped since you wrote this heidif67 ? I suspect that I have flat feet and would benefit from seeing a podiatrist but I find it difficult enough to buy shoes as it is. I am size 8/42 and so many shops either don't stock my size or their sizing is inaccurate and the shoes are too small. I also need wide fit. I have seen shoes on sale online but refuse to buy anything which I can't try on first. If I did try a podiatrist, i'd probably pay rather than going through a GP.
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Have you tried Hotters Katejo.
I have a very high instep and find they are one of the few that fit. They do extra wide and half sizes too.
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Have you tried Hotters Katejo.
I have a very high instep and find they are one of the few that fit. They do extra wide and half sizes too.
I don't have a shop anywhere near me. I did go into one in Bath last summer but they didn't have my size in the ones which I liked so I didn't get to try any on.
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Hi Ladies,
I'm at my wits end with the pain in my left hip that radiates to the groin - a twinge which I've now had for 4 years, sometimes not too bad but sometimes it's sooo bad. I've always been fairly active and love running but I now can't run at all - well I did twice in 2 months and the pain was so bad afterwards I'm suffering PTSD!. It doesn't hurt whilst I'm running but afterwards I can't move for days unless I take anti inflammatories which I don't want to do (at least not regularly). So far have had hip xray - all fine, Dexa scan - slight osteopenia in left hip but wouldn't cause this pain. 2 MRIs - found I have spondylolisthesis but not severely so unlikely to be the cause. Seen 3 neurologists and have had sports massages and seen a specialist lower lumbar/hip physio - still in pain! It's a twinge combined with a kind of severe bruising which means I can't touch my left side. Of course this may have nothing to do with the Meno but strange that it came on 4 years ago - 53 now and 2 years Meno...
Last Neurologist has asked me to have A SPECT scan (nuclear med) but prefer to avoid if possible.
Thanks for listening to my tale of pain and woe....feel really low about it all. I think I've exhausted all my options and don't now where else to turn, go do... :bang:
LF x
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Hi Sparkle,
That was going to be my next stop. I've had gait analysis and nothing to suggest that may be the issue but will revisit as possibility.
LF
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Am perimenopausal. Anyone else have swelling in fingers ( mid joint usually). It comes and goes, I might have a sore swollen index finger for 3 or so days and then gone. Then might have different 2 swollen fingers the following week. There's no pattern I can see. Affects both hands . Is this common with menopause. My GP tested for rheumatoid etc but nothing, it doesn't fit the profile for that anyway as that's mainly in knuckles . I've mentioned menopause to her but she hadn't come across any other patient with this. Suffer from anxiety so think she believes I'm imagining the pain (I've never gotten am appointment at a time when a few fingers are visibly swollen)- others have seen them though and all say it's really noticeable and I'm definitely not imagining.
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Morning Bungo - my Mum had some kind of rheumatic hand problems which spread to all joints to the point that she couldn't dress herself. Can't remember the name this early in the morning. Did your GP do blood tests and an X-ray. The latter can show signs of wear and tear as well as inflammation even if the joints are swollen. However, as oestrogen levels drop muscles maybe come lax = aches and pains. Is it cyclic? around the time you would have had a bleed? What are your periods doing?
Does anyone in your close family have joint problems or rheumatoid arthritis?
Anxiety levels can rise too made worse by GPs not knowing a lot about menopause ::) . Is it painful enough to take a 'nurofen'-type pill?
Browse round the various threads. Join in.
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Am on mini pill so haven't had a bleed in years. Trying to work out if cyclical or not. Started pretty much overnight 8 months ago when fingers and feet both got inflamed and swollen. Had MRIs when all had settled down and inflammation flare had passed and they showed have mild arthritis in both big toes but nothing showed in fingers . Bloods didn't show alot of inflammation . Have chronic pain in both toes most days now and varying finger pain and swelling. That's why think it has to be hormone related as never had any pain whatsoever upto 8 months ago. My theory is there was a massive drop in hormone levels back then- does this happen? I've gone from being able to wear any shoes I liked to only being able to tolerate runners or barefoot.
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That's reassuring sparkle.Did yours happen overnight? Wonder if means I'm really close to menopause now, really must come off the mini pill so I can tell for certain. Putting off as hormones all over the place as it is and don't want to make worse! Was really stressed at start as convinced was something sinister whereas now my biggest issue is the practicalities of not being able to wear shoes for any length of time and the impact on trying to live a normal life within these constraints 😀. Am taking vit d supplement but will get checked by GP next time am there. Are you taking her, am thinking will try this when post menopausal to get pain free feet- that's keeping me going, knowing this won't last forever and there is a solution down the line
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Sometimes the arches in the feet drop so maybe get your feet measured correctly or see a podiatrist for advice?
I still can't think of the condition Mum had but it was constant for years and required steroid treatments. Oh Polymyalgia rheumatica - got it ::)
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Went to podiatrist , she said go to my GP as no mechanical issues with gait etc. There should be more awareness that these kind of issues are related to menopause, that not just hot flushes (which luckily I've been spared so far).
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Did the pain and swelling go away after menopause or stick around?
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That sounds like some form of arthritis,, not just hormonal swelling . You should get an x-ray or MRI?
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My Mum's fingers seem to have got longer, thinner and crooked.
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I havn't read all of this thread so apologies if this was mentioned in an earlier post. I have stiffness in the joint at the bottom of my left thumb which has become sore and sometimes a shooting pain goes up the inside-side of my forearm. I am 60, 5 years post meno and have been successfully on HRT for last 5 years. I have played the piano since I was 8 and it was interesting to hear Rick Wakeman on the radio yesterday saying that to keep osteoarthiritis at bay, pianists should play every day - he does this and it helps him. Why should this thumb pain come on so strongly? Is this what arthiritis is like? (Sorry about the spelling mistakes, don't know why I feel a bit trembling/anxious, Christmas usually affects me like this :'( )
Padine xx
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It sounds like Capel tunnel syndrome. I have had this but luckily it seems to have settled, with the occasional relapse.
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I thought CT went up the inside of your palm? This pain is in the big joint at the base of my thumb and now is making my arm sore up the bone of my inner arm. I had a sore left shoulder and arm when I was a music student (violin playing maybe?) and I had a cortosone injection into the bone. It was sore during and after the injection, but it worked and I've never had any more trouble till now. I know in the great scheme of things it is nothing compared to what other folk go through, it's just a very sore pain I could do without!
Padine xx
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:) Hi. I'm new to this forum and apologize if this has been covered already but I am dealing with groin burning and pain and inner thigh tenderness for 4 weeks now. I had 2 periods in September and that was the last I've had. Besides the night sweats and hot flashes, this pain is driving me crazy because it's always there. Anti inflammatories are hardly helping. I have been a professional long distance runner my entire life since 10 years old (now 53).... looking for some shared experience of pain. Also I am hypothyroid and on synthroid- so always had night sweats since 28 yrs old (ugh). So many nights I want to just go to the ER :(
Thank you for any input
Dina
Merry Christmas
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My right index finger has gone weird last few months, nail changed shape and a lump below it that googling reveals goes by the wondrous name of mucous cyst. Thumb nail dry and cracked. Body aches all over. I'm only 61 and really cheesed off with my body.
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I am 52 and experiencing menopausal symptoms. The most unexpected ones have been waking up to numb fingers and hands, and more recently inflamed and very painful wrist joints. Having read various articles it appears this can happen with a reduced level of Oestrogen . I have had a Myrena coil placed in the last 6 months, and was prescribed an HRT gel. I had to stop using the gel after it caused continual and extensive bleeding. This has left me a little reticent trying other forms of HRT. With regard to joint problems I will try Glucosamine and see if that helps. I definitely need to lose weight, but am finding it difficult to motivate myself
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Hi I’m Annie, this is the first time I have written anything on the forum. My GP recommended this site. I’m 52, still regular periods every 28-30 days and I am struggling a little now. I have been living with the weird joint pain for just over a year and started taking Glucosamine which helped a little. I just wanted to share this tip tho’ it has really helped - 5Km or more if you can do it on an exercise bike. I also walk, but I find when I don’t cycle my joints start playing up again, especially at night. I stumbled on this during lockdown and found it helped. If it would only help the weepiness/insomnia/awful cramps and weird dreams. It is a weird and lonely time x
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Hi, I'm struggling with achy ankles, knees and hips. It a symptom for me which I associate with onset of perimenopause; symptoms also improve at times but then worsen. Just wondering if anyone have found similar symptoms to improve when they increase oestrogen? I'm considering increasing my Evorel patch- currently 75 dose to see if this helps? I also have more a coil for oestrogen. Thanks 🙏 :)
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Hi RachFarm
Welcome to the forum!
This is an old thread so you probably won’t get many responses.
Why don’t you start a new topic, a good title could be just Aches!
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Hi ladies I’m finding my aches and pains seem to be one side in particular left hip, leg, back and ribs any thoughts ?
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I’m not coping with joint paint at all so any advise would be awesome!!!!
I’m 42 and last December I started Zoladex after my second laparoscopy to remove endo. I managed three injections but then stopped in February as I couldn’t cope with the constant neck, shoulder, spine and bone pain. I was on HRT but was still in agony.
Since stopping Zoladex things have not improved.
I restarted the HRT in April as my gynaecologist thought that maybe my body had not returned to its normal state seeing as I was still getting side effects - stating I was probably now in peri menopause .
I take oestrogel x 2 pumps a day and vaginal 100 utrogestan.
However I’m still in agony and feel rubbish :-\ :(
The constant neck, shoulder and spine pain is unbearable and I now also get frequent red boil type lumps under my armpit. Sleeping is a challenge too.
I’ve been back and forth to the gynaecologist and we are no further forward.
I do bleed each month and they are horrendously heavy and painful.
The last appointment with the gynaecologist was in august where he suggested I tried a continuous regime of HRT.
This has made things even worse as I ended up with hugely swollen and painful breasts, so I’ve abandoned this and gone back to cyclical.
Has anyone else experience these symptoms and if so what can be done to stop them and to help the pain (paracetamol, naproxen and codeine don’t help).
Thanks in advance
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I am a slow, overweight late 50s runner who only took it up a few years ago but kept having episodes of knee pain. 3/4 years ago MRI scan said I was on slope to knee replacement due to osteoarthritis.
Researched things that might help and are effective. Main source was the alternative treatments in the Versus Arthritis evaluation of compounds https://www.versusarthritis.org/about-arthritis/complementary-and-alternative-treatments/what-are-complementary-and-alternative-treatments/
Glucosamine seemed to have little evidence to support it in the research. I picked those that did have evidence to support them. Tried pine bark/ pycogynol, frankincense/boswellia and turneric.
Whilst they helped a little, I was still getting ever more frequent episodes of knee pain that stopped me running. UNTIL I started HRT, none for over a year now and back to my slow jog!
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After 16 months of throbbing joints as I lay in bed at night, being in pain with every step I took, an MRI showing gluteal tendinopathy and physio, then another MRI for a frozen shoulder and further physio and acupuncture and a month not lay down in bed, I decided I had to do something. I was 54 and still having quite regular periods, had blood tests to see if I had arthritis, but nothing showed. So I went to my local private GP, Dr Sarah Myhill who is alternative in that she treats causes and not symptoms., She looked at my diet and said there was too much sugar. She also recommended going dairy free and gluten free to see if that helped. Carbohydrates are full of sugar. So my granola, blueberries, bananas, biscuits, cake, potatoes, bread rice and pasta had to go. I thought I would have nothing to eat, and as a fit farmer and not overweight, the idea seemed crazy. She has wrote many books and I generally just stuck to the low carbs foods. Cooked breakfast or yogurt and seeds for breakfast, a good salad for lunch, and cauliflower instead of rice etc. Alot of nuts for snacks, and not a slave to it, as eating out or holidays would be very difficult. After two months, I was a different person. That is 20 months ago now. If I have a weeks holiday and eat anything and everything, I do know about it, this has proved itself to me several times now. I had to share this, as I was worried that my future was looking bleak and painful, my age had made that my diet had to change with my body changes. Now I am on the fight with the flushes!!
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Hi dr heather
My remedy is honestly the minute amount of ovestin im on that thankfully my dr proscribed after 3 yrs of feeling like shit..and i stood up and said no more tests ..i did have Va i had been thru 3 drs that said it wasn't meno related as i was in my 50s ..post meno at 54 im 60 in a few wks ..id had enough of travel and time and tests and money being wasted BECAUSE my drs at the time thought i was to old for meno and should of been over symptoms..my new dr at least listened and put me on ovestin..i do after the intial load and 7mths laterim down to a peas size dose every two days..my kneck and shoulder,wrist pains are at least at bay,my headaches have eased..but at my old premenstral times i struggle as the aches come back..but at least i know the ovestin helps..but many thing it shouldn't as it is not systemic but for me win win cause it is taking the edge off but from this forum which i read every night i know my meno is ok now but can change at any time..but is estoril cream is helping this ozzie yes and ty for the forum..its my little bit of peace and knowledge..and i know im not along ty 😊
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Hi, I recognise lots of the symptoms but initially I didn’t know it was menopause related. I assumed old age on a good day or imagined all sorts of neurological illness on bad days. I could never understand why the pain could come and go or move around my body and painkillers that had worked before now didn’t?
Starting HRT, lenzetto spray and Utrogestan 100mg, was the only thing that gave me relief. It hasn't taken every pain away but now able to do relaxation and exercise which really helps. As my anxiety is improving I feel more relaxed physically and it helps let go of pain.
I hope you all find something that works.🙂
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Thanks for your post yesterday Lizzie, it really has inspired me (and my husband) to cut out - or at least reduce - carbs and sugar. I'm full of aches and pains, I do have osteoarthritis in my hip but ache pretty much all over, my beloved walking is now something I almost dread. Your post just hit me as I know me and my hubby eat to many stodgy, high carb foods. I've also become pretty addicted to chocolate since giving up alcohol. I'm going to spend this weekend researching low carb ideas but thanks again.
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Hi, it’s fingers and neck for me. OH has provided me with speech to text software called Dragon Pro (much better than the freely available tech) so when it’s too painful to type I can do most things verbally. I also take curcumin at night and when it flares up I am trying low dose ibuprofen continually.
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Hi, it’s fingers and neck for me. OH has provided me with speech to text software called Dragon Pro (much better than the freely available tech) so when it’s too painful to type I can do most things verbally. I also take curcumin at night and when it flares up I am trying low dose ibuprofen continually.
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It hadn’t occurred to me that my joint pain could be related to the menopause, I did mention it to my GP but he just shrugged and sent me for an X-ray, so assumed I was just being unlucky. In the last 3 years I’ve had tendinitis in my achilles tendon and now in my hand and a frozen shoulder which took 15 months to recover from. Has anyone else had these type of joint/ligament issues ? If so, what have you found that helps if anything
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It hadn’t occurred to me that my joint pain could be related to the menopause, I did mention it to my GP but he just shrugged and sent me for an X-ray, so assumed I was just being unlucky. In the last 3 years I’ve had tendinitis in my achilles tendon and now in my hand and a frozen shoulder which took 15 months to recover from. Has anyone else had these type of joint/ligament issues ? If so, what have you found that helps if anything
Hello and welcome to the forum. I had such a lot of joint pain and found HRT really helped with that. Sorry to hear your GP was unhelpful. It is good you have found this place as you will learn such a lot and get lots of support. :)
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I am so relieved to have found this forum! I am in early menopause as I began this process at the age of 42 when I started skipping periods. My period stopped completely a year later and my doctor officially said I was in menopause last year. I have hot flashes and just recently joint and arm pain. I never knew menopause could cause so many physical symptoms. All I ever knew about was hot flashes. My doctor provided no insight and I had a female doctor! I don't like to take medication so if anyone knows of a homeopathic way to deal with this, it would be much appreciated. God bless!
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I am so relieved to have found this forum! I am in early menopause as I began this process at the age of 42 when I started skipping periods. My period stopped completely a year later and my doctor officially said I was in menopause last year. I have hot flashes and just recently joint and arm pain. I never knew menopause could cause so many physical symptoms. All I ever knew about was hot flashes. My doctor provided no insight and I had a female doctor! I don't like to take medication so if anyone knows of a homeopathic way to deal with this, it would be much appreciated. God bless!
Welcome to the forum Vtramm. It is lovely to have you here. There is an alternative section on the forum you may like to browse or post so members can answer your question. 🙂