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Menopause Discussion => Other Health Discussion => Topic started by: loonarider on December 14, 2021, 06:53:18 AM
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Hey,
*No scare stories please as I have panic disorder and GAD.
I am due to have the Pfizer Booster next Wednesday and unsurprisingly I'm worried about side-effects. I feel psitive about having the vaccine and aware of its importance especially with Omicron running riot.
Quick recap. I had 2 doses of Astrazeneca beginning May 2021. I had developed horrible long lasting headaches that I still deal with, and where I'd ended up in hospital quite a few times as it was unbearable (I still find it hard to lie down at night due to the pressure on my head). It actually made me very depressed where I felt like ending it.
In the end as more info came out - my doctor as myself suspected some sort of vaccine induced neuroinflammation, which I was told would pass (and that it only happened to very few-unfortunately I was that few), but it hasn't completely. It's still there in the background, just not as severe.
Anyhow, since one of the common side effects are headaches with the Pfizer I am worried it's going to exacerbate things and yes also worried about myocarditis. I am aware that the latter is extremely rare, but when you're like me who suffers with irrational fears, those statistics go out the window. Not to mention suffering with he rare side effect of neuroinflammation and anything possible right? Will I be unlucky again? Is what I ask myself.
I need to get s grip. The thing is, I will get the vaccine, but I just know I'll go into full blown panic for days after or even weeks which I'm not looking forward to. Not to mention Christmas will be a few days after and what if I'm bed ridden with side effects.
Was wondering whether j should postpone to a later date (after Christmas), but Omicron is about and a threat so maybe a bad idea and that too causes me to be anxious. A lot is out of my control.
I keep hearing that people felt like crap after the booster, I can handle mild temp changes, nausea, etc but the racing heart, palpitations and headaches are what scare me ???
Anyway, I don't know what I'm asking, I guess I just need to know it won't be that bad. :(
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I had two Astra and had side effects but everyone i know that had Pfizer was fine. I was also booked in for after Christmas but have cancelled and bookked for next week. Im more scared of covid than the vaccine side effects, i had Covid in March 2020 during the first lockdown and wouldnt want to go there again. My taste is still dodgy and certain things taste like the smell of acetate. The Pfizer is a different vaccine and you might not have any side effects at all this time. Im going away 2 days after so hope we're both ok.👍
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I had 2 Astra Zeneca and had Pfizer booster 2 weeks ago with no side effects 😊. I was fine xx
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I have fibro and had a flare of symptoms after both vaccines (Pfizer) but had no reaction at all to the booster. Fingers crossed you will be the same. It's such a stressful time we are living through and any anxieties are bound to be heightened but try to concentrate on the good effects of the vaccine. Be kind to yourself and use all of your calming and mindfulness techniques which I'm sure you are well practiced at.
I believe the headache which might happen with Pfizer has a different cause to the Astra Zeneca and is not linked to neuro inflammation but more the type of headache you get with a slight fever.
Taz x
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Headaches can be caused by dehydration.
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I just read this great article about seeing the three jabs as an Education for the body, to help it understand and gain knowledge. The first is like primary school where everything is new, there's a lot of change and much to learn. Then comes secondary where what has been learned so far is developed and sophisticated, becoming selective in what to target. The third jab is compared to university where so much knowledge can be pulled together in a highly intelligent way, really working hard at specific understanding and acting on that understanding. I hope this helps you. You're about to "graduate". Into safety.
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I like that scenario :thankyou:
U can of course discuss your concerns B4 you get the jab with the vaccinator. When we had our boosters 3 weeks ago, we were given in-depth advice.
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I think I just focused on the CAKE I was going to have afterwards.....and what a generous heart was sitting opposite me, with all that could be going on in her own life, giving ME her precious time to get me safe.
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My first two were Pfizer, first one i just had sore arm, second dose i had symptoms for 8 hours, a bit like i was about to come down with a cold. Last week i had Modena booster, again sore arm and very similiar symptoms to my second Pfizer but they lasted about 12 hours.
My teen daughter is in roup 6 because of a heart defect, she has had two Pfizer, she was not brilliant after second, vomitted once, shivers and palpitations. She was fine after a day on sofa with the cat!
I didn't get a headache except with the Moderna. Think my daughter may have done with second Pfizer.
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loonarider, you say you will have the booster regardless of your very understandable fears - give yourself a big pat on the back for that, you are doing the right thing & it takes guts in your circs. I don't know anyone who's reacted badly to either Pfizer or Moderna. :hug:
Our boosters booked more than a month ago but first appt we could get was for tomorrow. Had AZ for jabs 1&2, rough after first - headache, fever, nausea, widespread muscle aches, but only for 24 hrs. Nothing to speak of after 2nd. Hoping not to react much to tomorrow's booster as I have an appt Thurs I can't afford to miss :o.
Lovely sentiments Postmeno3.
Wx
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Ist 2 were AZ, booster Pfizer. Headache and shivers that night, slightly nauseous the next morning, felt rough that day, less so on day 2. Better than AZ side effects for me.
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loonarider, you say you will have the booster regardless of your very understandable fears - give yourself a big pat on the back for that, you are doing the right thing & it takes guts in your circs. I don't know anyone who's reacted badly to either Pfizer or Moderna. :hug:
Our boosters booked more than a month ago but first appt we could get was for tomorrow. Had AZ for jabs 1&2, rough after first - headache, fever, nausea, widespread muscle aches, but only for 24 hrs. Nothing to speak of after 2nd. Hoping not to react much to tomorrow's booster as I have an appt Thurs I can't afford to miss :o.
Lovely sentiments Postmeno3.
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I had two AZs and then the Moderna.
Was very reluctant to have the booster but went ahead. Had a funny turn after and had a doctor sitting with me for 30 minutes after. Didn't feel well for 2 days and not completely right until this week (2 & a half weeks later). kept having dizzy spaced out spells.
Unlikely I will have anymore.
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Postmeno3, That's very good.
loonarider, I feel for you and I am in exactly the same situation. My booster is booked for next Monday and I can honestly say I am scared. I suffer panic disorder and anxiety too and lately my health anxiety is out the window. The past three days I have had really frightening headaches (well, odd and sudden stabbing shooting pains at the side of my head that stop me in my track). My husband just shrugs his shoulders and says he gets that all the time, but I immediately think brain haemorrage/tumour etc. I know I should sit calmly and think rational thoughts, but that's easier said than done. I had Pfizer vaccine with my first two. I had made up my mind I wouldn't take the AZ because of my fears with blood clots. I was relieved when I got the Pfizer, but I have had palpitations ever since. (I'm not trying to scare you, just being honest). The majority of people seem to have no effects after their jabs, but there are definately some who do. I didn't have headaches after either jabs though. Still waiting after 7 months for 24 Hr heart monitor results, but ECG's and blood tests were all fine. The palpitations are most likely to be a coincidence and caused by something else, gastric issues which I am having, or lack of magnesium or hormones, or any of those combined with my anxiety, and yet I know what it's like to focus on only the worst case scenario. My friend had her booster last week, said she felt horrendous after, but I just walked 6 miles with her yesterday and she is back to normal. I am now convinced that I will be ill all over Christmas, so again, like you, I wonder whether I should reschedule. I know I will also convince myself that the symptoms I experience after the jab will be life threatening whether they are or not. It's just how someone with an overactive, nervous mind works, and I really dont think anything can change that. I'm sure your doctor, knowing of your previous experience with the first two jabs would advise you against the booster if he thought there would be a problem so that should be some comfort. I keep thinking what life will be like if I dont take the booster, unable to get a vaccine passport, (if that's the way we go), shut away from society, etc., and I try to tell myself what would be worse, a life with so many restrictions, or a life with some palpitations that may be fixable. I tell myself quite often to 'get a grip' but rarely listen to myself!! What does help sometimes is me knowing the number who are vaccinated, seeing all the people in queues at vaccination centres, and thinking how, out of all these people, (who seem so calm and eager to be vaccinated) I was the one who was really worried about what side effects I might get, and right on cue , I was the one who got the side effects. It does seem quite unlikely really. I'm at doctors on Friday to get results of heart test. If all is well I shall take the booster on Monday, but even then, no amount of reassurance will make me worry less about any side effects I may get. I feel for you, I really do, it's all just such an awful situation. I've had my symptoms for seven or eight months now and I'm still alive, so are you. If we dont take the vaccine we may not be alive seven or eight months from now. We should, most probably, just go for it and then whatever symptoms we may get, deal with them after. Wishing you well
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If you would worry less by postponing then do so. However, omicron is virulent in the community ........ it us easy to blame other feelings on the jabs., whereas they may have occurred without.
Have you taken any pain relief for symptoms? Keeping hydrated can stop headaches. As can making sure that your pillow is comfortable and footwear appropriate. The body will compensate from top to bottom which impacts on all muscle groups so if your neck is sore after sleeping then ....... and if footwear is not suitable it will impact on the way up. Especially as we age!
What is the worst that could happen? Take a list of your worries to the appt. on Friday and discuss.
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I had sore, heavy arm for each jab. Az, AZ, Pfizer. It was better by day three afterwards.
The queue for the booster was long, so I wished I had brought a book and my power pack to top up my phone with. My legs ached. I should have taken the folding stool with long legs. Sitting down for 15 minutes after the jab was something to aim for which brought down my anxiety levels. They do watch to see if you are OK 👍
I had CAKE to look forward to afterwards like others in this thread which helped to think about too ;)
A painkiller before bedtime helped. Made sure I had water and tea to drink so no headache from the whole experience.
A breathing exercise helped me when I felt anxiety... https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000wc07
I recommend this to everyone who gets anxious.
With best wishes.
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Loonarider I have mine Monday and I’m shitting a brick! 🤷🏻♀️
Don’t want it really but I’m following the crowd 🤣
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Well looks like I won't be having my booster on Tuesday afterall, just tested positive for Covid this morning and will be isolating alone over Christmas. Wish I'd just queued up weeks ago now instead of waiting for an appointment then I might have not got Covid. Had Covid March 2020 and 2 vaccines but this new one gets you anyway. Get your boosters!!
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Well looks like I won't be having my booster on Tuesday afterall, just tested positive for Covid this morning and will be isolating alone over Christmas. Wish I'd just queued up weeks ago now instead of waiting for an appointment then I might have not got Covid. Had Covid March 2020 and 2 vaccines but this new one gets you anyway. Get your boosters!!
Sorry to hear this Deirdre, I hope you are not too unwell xx
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That's a shame Dierdre. What made you 'test'? Who were you planning to spend the festivities with? :foryou: Any idea how to find out which variant it might be?
We can carry viruses as well as catching them. Regardless. Hopefully vaccines will help lessen the impacts.
There is talk about a 2nd booster ::) but don't know whether that is rumour?
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Well looks like I won't be having my booster on Tuesday afterall, just tested positive for Covid this morning and will be isolating alone over Christmas. Wish I'd just queued up weeks ago now instead of waiting for an appointment then I might have not got Covid. Had Covid March 2020 and 2 vaccines but this new one gets you anyway. Get your boosters!!
Sorry to hear this Deirdre, I hope you are not too unwell xx
Not too bad thanks, just like a bad cold at the moment.
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That's a shame Dierdre. What made you 'test'? Who were you planning to spend the festivities with? :foryou: Any idea how to find out which variant it might be?
We can carry viruses as well as catching them. Regardless. Hopefully vaccines will help lessen the impacts.
There is talk about a 2nd booster ::) but don't know whether that is rumour?
I test twice a week as work in a school, the staff have been testing positive all week so it was inevitable really.
The family always spend Christmas in a lodge at Tattershall lakes, I'll hopefully get there for Boxing Day now.
Ive got classic symptoms of this new omicron so hopefully won't be too ill. Think I'll have to wait 28 days before getting the booster now.
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Have U plenty of grub in? You will be able to watch what you like on TV ;-). Will you ZOOM with family?
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If you have had Covid 19 recently you should delay your vaccine for 4 weeks from the date of your positive PCR test.
From my Surgery web-site today.
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Dierdre, sorry to hear you have COVID. Hope it continues to be a mild version & that you'll get to enjoy something of Christmas.
Update for anyone worried about having their booster - had mine Weds (Pfizer) after 2 x AZ. Long queue outside & inside the freezing hall despite booking (5 weeks in advance) & was there for an hour altogether, mostly just waiting to be jabbed, free to go straight afterwards. Felt sorry for the staff having to sit/stand around in that big, cold hall for hours - the lovely woman who did my jab was working a 10 hr shift. Partner had his booster same time. Both of us had a sorer arm this time, every move of muscle for 48 hrs, but now on day 3 that's almost gone, whereas with my 1st AZ jab the soreness lasted nearly a week. I was feverish overnight 1st night (just as with AZ no 1) & unable to sleep after waking way too hot at 3am - but that's not unusual for me, courtesy of menopause! Slightly dizzy next day, with mild headache both days following booster, no headache or other symptoms as yet today. Partner was fine on first night after booster but feverish on 2nd night & said he felt like he had a cold. He sweated overnight so I had to change bedding! He's fine today & says back to normal. Reaction to booster for me was far better than that I had after 1st AZ jab & wouldn't hesitate to have any of them again.
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Have U plenty of grub in? You will be able to watch what you like on TV ;-). Will you ZOOM with family?
Yes got online delivery on its way and will be face timing daily :)
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I'll be rebooking my booster as soon as I can. Done another LFD this morning and the line was much fainter so not as infectious and hopefully beating this thing.
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That sounds like good news Dierdre. Give yourself plenty of TLC. :hug:
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Will do, thanks Wrensong.
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Get well soon :)
Hoping that anxieties are in decline, which is a good sort of decline, isn't it? ;D
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How long after tests show negative are we allowed to socialise?
We had to wait 15 mins. in case of a shock reaction after boosters. Now I'm wondering when we will need yet another booster .......... ::)
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Diedre - how are you feeling? Any better? Is it like a cold with aches and pains ? :foryou:
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loonarider, How you feeling about your booster tomorrow? I had mine last night. Had a bit of a panic before I went in, and a bit of a panic when I came back out waiting on an allergic reaction or whatever to occur. Still have the palpitations, (results still not back from July tests) but Doctor reassured me at appointment yesterday afternoon that I would need to weigh up the benefits during a Pandemic. He told me that if he had a family member in my situation, (palpitations since 1st jab), that he would still recommend they take the booster. So that's what I did, and today all I have is a sore black and blue arm. I think if you discuss your worries either with your Doctor in advance or with the vaccinators they will be very understanding and put you at ease. Good luck.
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Tnx for the update. My arm was sore when I laid on it. No bruising at all, I wasn't aware that I had been jabbed.
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Diedre - how are you feeling? Any better? Is it like a cold with aches and pains ? :foryou:
Well it's been a week I wouldn't want to repeat in a hurry and although over the worst, I think, still very weak. It's been like the flu or a really bad cold, sore throat and croaky deep voice, headache, runny nose, coughing but not on my chest, caused by post nasel drip in the throat mainly. Feeling totally drained. Never had a temperature. Paracetamol, Ibuprofen, Lemsips, cough lintus and throat lozengers all did the trick and I'm hopefully on the mend. Still in isolation until Boxing Day but doubt if I'd be going anywhere sooner than that anyway, still need a few days rest.
I had covid March 2020 plus double jabbed so had some immunity.
Got very anxious a couple of days ago being on my own and nearly had a panic attack, not been there for quite a few years! My daughter came and we talk through the glass door.
It certainly puts life into perspective.
Boris permitting I will be joining my family on Boxing day with a glass of wine in the hot tub (got plenty of vagifem for afterwards as I know it will irritate but lifes too short) Merry Christmas everyone xx
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Do your lateral flow tests if you can find any ::) ...... and enjoy that hot tub! :foryou:
Do U think that you worried more about the cold being possibly 'covid-19' so felt worse than you might have done? Every time I ache I do wonder >:(
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I knew it was Covid CLKD, I had a positive PCR which is why I was anxious and not allowed out until Boxing Day. ::)
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Feet up then ;-) ?
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Pretty much👍
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Looks like i might be out of isolation before Boxing Day now with the new 7 day rules on isolation and can have Christmas day with my family provided ive had 2 negative LFD tests.
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Morning - has that arrived in Law yet or is the media muttering about it :-\. - is it because so many people across England have tested +ive leaving companies short of man power? Go for it Girl, go for it!
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Yes, it was announced by the Health Secretary, you're right its about staffing and getting people back to work that aren't ill but still were isolating.
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I may have asked B4 :-\ but at which point do we pass on the Virus? The day it lands on us, when we develop symptoms, when we are free of symptoms .........
How R U this morning?
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Tnx so much, DH interpreted it for me ::)
3 days to catch it, 3 days to have it, 3 days to give it away .......... with a cold.
Usually my left arm itches like fury 3 days prior to a cold starting: the area where I had my BCG injection at age 13. So I've had my jabs in the R arm each time.
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Had my booster a week ago and just got rid of the shivers/aches & pains. My symptoms have lasted the same length of time for all three jabs, but were definitely much more severe first time round. The last two, it's been unpleasant, but I've been able to keep going - first one floored me for a week!
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It's odd how people differ in any reactions :-\
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I tried to copy/paste the Link but it won't open anywhere else ::)
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Apologies for just plonking it in this morning and without even any :) ;D
It was sent in social media link so I copied it. Maybe you can share if I open the jpeg?
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Ahhhh, it is a big picture ::)
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Tnx.
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Hi all!
Thank you for all of your amazing responses as per usual.
So I had my jab today at 12 midday today. Felt fine until around 6 ish to now and I've been having very mild chest tightness, bouts of nausea and sharp dull pains in chest. Also, extremely hungry, like there's a
Feeling slightly shorter of breath than usual and fast heart rate , but really hoping it passes, I am feeling very anxious but really trying not to think about it when lying in bed at night especially. It's so hard to when it's quiet and dark and your partner's out for the count (he had his too btw, with only s sore arm so far).
So now just hoping my symptoms lessen now that I'm past the 12hr mark :/
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Well done loonerider
Hope your symptoms have eased, most report a achey arm for a few days. I felt tired for about a week.
They are doing a Stella job at the GP where I work, vaccination clinics everyday this week, some until 10pm, giving out coffee and mince pies, giving up their time to help. Very proud of them x
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Hope you're feeling better this morning Loonarider and your side effects have settlled. These things always feel ten times worse in the middle of the night and the anxiety makes it worse too.
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Well done loonarider. Hope you managed to sleep after posting & that any lingering side effects will be very mild. :medal: for bravery.
Dierdre, how are you?
Wx
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Glad your got your booster loonarider, I have just had the most horrendous night with palpitations, so am now thinking of heart problems again due to pfizer. I've taken my betablocker this morning but my heart is still racing and I feel so agitated. It feels like I'm having a constant panic attack. Really dry mouth and fuzzy headed too. Don't think I could take a fourth booster which is what they are doing now in Israel. Might be my gastric issues as Gaviscon Advance seemed to settle it down in the middle of the night. Who knows. Hope you get through this ok.
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holidaylover - it's anxiety. I have most of the symptoms you describe other than the palpitations. ..... and breath! Sing! Out loud, singing regulates the breathing better than anything. Anxiety is encouraged by shallow breathing.
How is everyone this morning? :medal:
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Weirdly I have felt very hungry since having Pfizer vaccine on Monday. No side effects but feel really hungry and empty 🤷🏻♀️
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Body mayB fighting in the form of using up energy that isn't being replaced? I hate that feeling! I have dried fruits/nuts, bananas, slow release foods for those days.
The Link won't copy so I can't paste ::)
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CLKD, Nobody needs to hear me sing!!!! But I know what you mean about the breathing. I was pacing round the bedroom in the middle of the night as I couldn't cope with my really fast heartbeat pumping so hard. Utter panic which just made it worse. Think I was hyperventilating. I've been prescribed 1.25mg of bisoprolol (betablocker) a day, and didn't know if I should take another one through the night. I'm exhausted this morning. Off for a sing song!
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It's about controlling the breathing, not easy when one is in panic mode. Been there etc. :'(
"I Love to Go a-Wandering, Along a Mountain Track : ..... :whist:
Or the yodelling song from "the Sound of Music" .......... now I've given myself an ear worm!
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Well done loonarider. Hope you managed to sleep after posting & that any lingering side effects will be very mild. :medal: for bravery.
Dierdre, how are you?
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I'm very well thanks, was released from isolation 2 days early due to new rules and 2 clear negative tests. So now I'm enjoying being with my family for Christmas.
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Well done loonarider. Hope you managed to sleep after posting & that any lingering side effects will be very mild. :medal: for bravery.
Dierdre, how are you?
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I'm very well thanks, was released from isolation 2 days early due to new rules and 2 clear negative tests. So now I'm enjoying being with my family for Christmas.
I've missed so many posts. Also hope you're doing OK Deidre and thanks for all your input. :)
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Hi all,
Good news is I'm not dead!
The chest tightness did die down eventually, I think it was a reaction to the vaccine mixed with some anxiety which the latter is not new to me.
Had an insatiable appetite, I just couldn't stop eating. Literally after putting food in my mouth 10 mins later I almost felt like I've beens starved to death. Glad I'm not the only one Roobee!
Nearly 72hrs in and the cravings have slowly subsided just in time for Christmas! Ha ha ;)
Was very short of breath this morning, but I really do think it's anxiety and not going to worry myself about that.
Just glad I'm over the worst of it now and hoping for calm seas into Christmas.
I'm going to enjoy a glass of red and a German biscuit at midday since it's Christmas Eve and all!
I thank you ladies again for all the support and encouragement throughout this year!
Wishing you all a happy, safe and healthy Christmas and a New Year with lots of great memories!
Take care all xxx :) :) :) :) :)
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That's great news Dierdre, I hope you have a lovely time.
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Do report the increase in appetite on the Yellow Card system. Enjoy that biscuit!
Great new Diedre!
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I’m booked in next Wednesday for my Moderna booster shot. I live in Australia, a week ago they changed it to 5 months after your second Covid shot. But I got cheeky and booked it for four months and it payed off. But 31st January it will change to 3 months.
My first two was Pfizer, felt nothing with the first, sore are for the day with the second. Had over 700 cases today in Queensland, the worst we have ever been. We are now have open boarders and are determined not to go into lockdown again. In Queensland we are over 80% double vacated.
And yes 700 is very low compared to the UK, that’s because our state government closed are boarders. And as soon as we had one case we went into lockdown. Until we were 80% double vacated and then they have open our borders and now we are just living with it.
Can’t wait for the world to go back to normal and I can do holidays overseas.
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Loonraider, Holidaylover, sorry to hear of your after effects! I had palpitations also after my Pfizer but only morning ones whic I had before I began my hrt. My question is are your palpitations at various times of the day? I’m putting mine down to hormones in the mornings, I’m on a beta blocker. Many thanks x
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Hi sweettooth
There doesn't seem to be any particular time of the day really but I have just had a terrible night (lying in bed). My palpitations were accompanied by what I think may be either an ulcer or hiatus hernia, (and I'm really just clutching at straws here) and I'm waiting an appointment for an endoscopy. I also am taking a beta blocker (and a PPI) which seems to be helping some of the time but certainly did nothing for me yesterday. The palpitations seem to be worse when I lie on my side. They make me panic and makes the whole situation worse. Had some Gaviscon Advance through the night but that's done nothing either. I have a bit of a sore throat this morning and a really dry mouth so wondering if that's acid. Had a few too many wines over the weekend so it may be that. The doctor(male) said that I could try HRT after the endoscopy if nothing shows. He was full of praise for Menopause Matters which was nice. He said I could have a blood test for magnesium deficiency too, as a lack of such can cause palpitations. They are very worrying and exhausting. All this is doing nothing for my health anxiety. Whatever the cause something needs done, I don't feel I can go on like this.
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Alcohol is a depressant, to be avoided - many find that they are unable to tolerate any once they go into peri..
How is your breathing pattern, shallow breaths encourages anxiety so it feeds itself. Get the blood tests done and decide which symptom you need to ease, worry is exhausting.
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CLKD, All my bloods were fine, just waiting on the endoscopy appointment. I asked about blood test regarding hormones, and he told be that because of my age (57) they would not test but just start me on HRT. How do they know what I need?
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Hi Holidaylover, sounds like you need tests to rule things out.
Mine is just mornings which is linked to hormones, it’s just getting peace from it all whatever the cause. X
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Hormone blood tests are reliably unreliable ::) because levels alter all the while.
Symptoms can give an idea as to what might be required, but it can be Trial and Error!