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Title: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Dr. Heather Currie on January 07, 2007, 06:00:52 PM
Insomnia (sleeplessness) or disturbed sleep (leading to tiredness and fatigue), may be partly due to the night sweats, control of which can lead to an improved sleep pattern, but insomnia has also been shown to be a menopausal symptom regardless of the presence of temperature changes and may begin a few years before the menopause.
Simple measures such as taking time to relax before going to bed by reading, watching television, or having a bath can make sure that you're not going to bed with your brain working overtime! Try to avoid caffeine or nicotine for at least 4 hours before bed time and don't have the bedroom too hot. Exercise during the day can help but don't exercise just before going to bed. Sometimes it actually helps to get up for a while, since lying and thinking about getting to sleep can make it harder to go off.
HRT has been shown to reduce insomnia and, because of the disruptive knock-on effects of lack of sleep, such as poor concentration, irritability and, of course, tiredness, some women choose to continue HRT purely for control of that symptom, even if they are not having flushes.
Some women find herbal drinks such as chamomile helpful, or sedative herbs such as valerian.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppyrose on January 07, 2007, 07:34:49 PM

I take night time Kalms, if I don't i do not get any sleep at all. My sleep is continually totally disrupted by night sweats and just lately I have been trialling something and they seemed to be reducing, I suddenly got a whole load of stress and of course we all know what stress does to our body!
Hence now am confused as to if what I was taking was working, it has stopped working or it is the stress I am under which is overriding all making everything seem a hundred times worse! I do not smoke and only have one coffee per day in the morning and do not drink any caffeine based drinks.

I actually made some graphs to monitor myself on these new herbal things and they seem to have taken around 4 weeks to start working (if they have that is!  :o But I could actually see the flushes/flashes/sweats starting to reduce. I also monitored what I was doing when I had a flush or sweat, in the hope I could identify a common denominator and thus eradicate it, well that was my theory anyway, I just cannot do anything about the other stress I am under at the present and I know this is not good for me.

I honestly cannot remember the last time I had a good night sleep and I have tried everything, but I refuse to ask for or take anything stronger than Kalms, I certainly do not want to go down that road!

Love Pops xxx  ;D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: AnnieG on January 07, 2007, 08:50:52 PM
I have found that the HRT has really helped me.  I have been on it for 3 months and in the last 2 months I have slept better than I have for the previous six years.  I had terrible insomnia before. 
As well as avoiding caffeine (rarely coffee and at most 2 cups of tea a day and none after 4pm) I find doing deep breathing helps as does yoga when I get a chance.  On days when I feel very tense I use Kalms and or I take a calcium and magnesium supplement - but to be honest none of these things really worked until I started the HRT.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: jojo26 on January 08, 2007, 06:55:41 PM
I take Kalms too and have had to cut all caffeine out. Some nights I get better sleep than others but never had more than 5-6 hours sleep for ages, and I always wake up half way through the night and it takes me ages to get back to sleep and sometimes I just dont bother.

Jojo :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Scottie on January 09, 2007, 02:29:13 AM
Hi  :)

I haven't really found a way of dealing with the insomnia. I've always been a night owl and when my youngest daughter didn't sleep through the night for her first 3 and a half years I got only too accustomed to being up till 3 a.m. Twas a hard habit to break.

Its not total insomnia. I just seem to want to sleep at the wrong time. Overnight I toss and turn and wake up hot and bothered every two hours or so but then I sleep blissfully between 7.30 a.m. and 1 p.m. given half a chance.

I'm off work just now so that's how I've been sleeping. When I'm allowed to work again I guess I'll go back to being permanently fatigued.

Take care - Scottie  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: ladyjane on January 10, 2007, 04:43:40 PM
Found this

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/01/10/peri.menopause/

Click on the health video in bottom left hand corner- Sleep and menopause
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: star/bc on January 14, 2007, 01:32:27 PM
I changed jobs and work nights now and early morning like 2am which has help since sleep is unstable. I nap when I get home at noon. I still wake up sticky and wet but since night time is so bad working nights at least with a towel on my neck I function some what okay.
                           Star with bladder cancer
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: elfie on January 14, 2007, 03:02:41 PM
i havnt had a good nights sleep for about 19 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ever since i had my last baby, she slept badly and so did i. and of course i havnt been able to break the pattern. tried everyting going, herbal and what the doc gave me, even tamzipan. i still woke up on that but i was so smiley i didnt give a damm LOL and boy did i wobble.
even having a ladies op i was put out, but 10 mins after being put back to bed i was up n awake and sitting on the side of the bed wanting to go home.
at the momrny im on supa drugs herbal tabs, they help me get off to sleep with in an hour, but then every 2 hours im awake.my record was 7 times actully get out of bed n wandering.last night i slept for 6 hours the most sleep ive had in years, i took 2 co-codamols as my back was very bad.
the doctor has said the next step is the sleep clinic. which im reluctant to do, ive got an over active mind it dont shut down. just wish the rest of the body followed suit LOL
any suggestions on what to do next??
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: ladyjane on January 15, 2007, 03:18:14 PM
I have had trouble sleeping since 2000, due to personal trauma, hysterectomy and menopause. I have a very good doctor who I can talk to about most things, and when the going has been rough , she has prescribed me Zopiclone, a short acting sleeping pill, she knows I don't abuse them and a pack of 28 lasts me about four or five months as I only take half a tablet, once in a while when I get desperate for an unbroken nights sleep. They do not leave me foggy headed in the morning in fact quite the reverse. Melatonin has helped too, but it acts in a different way, I find the time released tablet is best, it works  if I don't have anything playing on my mind, if I have and take it and don't sleep it off it does seem to effect me the next day.
I think not sleeping is due to unresolved worries and issues, I have also found that since I had my hysterectomy, I cannot relax how I use to be able to and calm my mind. I seem to hyper aware of everything  eg. sudden noise, my body not relaxing how it use to do.
Sandy x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on January 15, 2007, 05:47:58 PM
I to take Zopiclone 7.5mg when i get to exhaustion stage, but like L J 28 tabs last me a few months, i did try 1/2 tab ie 3.75mg but it did not work, they donot have any side effects so far..... maybe they would if taken every night?..
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: elfie on January 15, 2007, 07:53:09 PM
i bought some supa strenght sleep aid from tescos today. was reading on the box, and what did it say,WARNING may cause drowsiness (hope so or ive wasted my money )
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: hot and bothered on January 16, 2007, 12:01:04 PM
Oh Elfie.
 ;D ;D ;D.It's like on a bag of salted nuts. It says contains nuts. ::)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sue54 on January 17, 2007, 06:19:36 PM
Luckily I am not plagued by night sweats. I get one occasionally. However I do go through stages when my sleep is appalling & then other times it is totally fine.

I always have a bath before bedtime & watch some TV or read & find that this helps as I start to drop off.

At times I am really exhausted when I go to bed & get off to sleep quickly. I then wake up about an hour later & toss & turn for the next couple of hours.

When I came back from Hawaii it was dreadful due to the 10 hour time change & I have to confess that I did resort to 3.5 of Zopiclone for 5 nights to restore my sleep pattern. hate taking it because I get a dreadful taste all day in the mouth the following day but I was getting a bit desperate
Sue
 :-*
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Hot2Trot on January 18, 2007, 07:37:13 PM
I am surprised at the advice about exercise but maybe I am just a bit weird (okay, so that's a given ;D).  I exercise for an hour (at least) on a three evenings on, one off basis.  On the nights I exercise I jump into the shower and then into bed and am more often or not asleep as soon as I snuggle down intending to read or listen to music.  On the nights I don't do that, I struggle to get to sleep.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppyrose on January 19, 2007, 01:28:21 AM

Hi Ladies  ;D

H2T you and Claire in snowy Canada put us all to shame with your exercising. Try as I might I still cannot get used to this treadmill I have it is too much like hard work, I wish it had a motor on it!

On the subject of *nutty* things on labels, we once had a packet of pork chops which read: "suitable For vegetarians"!  :o LOL Straight up, honestly, really made me laugh anyway.  ;D

Lots of Love Pops xxx  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Hotflush on January 30, 2007, 07:29:39 PM
Just lately i have been going to bed with a DVD of yoga relaxation breathing exercises.  I have snuggled down and dropped off straight away after that and it is so nice to do after a shower.  If i have had bad times in the past then i stay up until my eyes are dropping and got up the same time next morning.  I hate the nights that i am tossing and turning and it feels i am concious the whole night and then i fall asleep about 4 or 5 am and then i feel so grogy a few hours later.

hotflush
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppyrose on February 01, 2007, 12:12:33 PM

I have been taking night time Kalms which have been quite good, however, it is the waking up bathed in perspiration which gets to me. I have routine which I have to follow, if I do not then I cannot get back to sleep.

Here is something odd and I wonder if anyone is else affected in much the same way. When I have a sweat and I perspire I have noticed that I perspire quite a lot behind my knees! now why there in particular? I do not have any excess fat there, in fact my legs are quite thinnish, I can understand it when I have perspiration under my breasts, where I do have excess tissue (that gals is trying to put it politely  ;D LOL), but why behind my knees? I hate it, it really annoys me, especially if I get one while I am out and I am wearing jeans! Thinking about this I am wondering is I have some oestrogen receptors here and I am going to try applying my natural progesterone cream there to see if the uptake is any different/better!

Well, on the advice of ladyjane, I am going to try Melatonin to see if I can get a better nights rest. I have heard some years ago that Melatonin is meant to be good for treating jet lag and this is because it is thought that the natural production of Melatonin in the body is disrupted when your natural body clock goes out of sync, so taking this may help the body adjust faster to a new time zone or to the return of your normal time zone, on this premise, I wonder if this would be good to take to try and get the body back into some kind of normal sleep rhythm after our body being continually disrupted by broken sleep due to flushes/sweats or insomnia? If it is the melatonin disruption which may be the cause of prolonged insomnia in menopause, ostensibly because of sleep disruption brought on by constant disruptions in the first place, I wonder if we have at last got the egg before the chicken?

lots of Love Pops xxx :peace::peace::peace:


Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: ladyjane on February 01, 2007, 04:53:09 PM
Hi Pops
If you do decide to take melatonin, start  off at a low dose eg. 1mg and do take it fairly early about 9.30pm. Make sure you are not on the computer too late and don't expose yourself to bright lights . I use a sleeping mask aswell.
Love Sandy xxx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tricia on February 02, 2007, 12:34:28 AM
can I ask how those of you get on with night time Kalms as I tried the ordinary Kalms a few months ago when I seemed to be having a really nervous time and couldn't get myself out of the house, I only ever took one because the one I took made me feel all shaky inside so much so that I decided not to take anymore, I would be interested in finding out if this is normal or if it just a one off.

Love

Tricia :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tricia on February 02, 2007, 12:40:23 AM
sorry I meant to say, I have said in my intro that my sleeping is all to pot, I am great all night until after 5ish and then can sleep until about 2ish in the afternoon, which as I said is not really conducive for living a full life, any suggestions would be great.

Love

Tricia :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppyrose on February 02, 2007, 01:09:48 PM

Hi Tricia  ;D

I did answer your post on the other thread about night time Kalms and you probably have read it so I won't drive you batty by repeating myself.  (If you stick around long enough you will discover that I can fairly be described as a little batty LOL) ;D ;D ;D

I take Day Kalms sometimes, especially when I feel stressed and find that they really do help me, the inner shakiness you have felt, may well be another menopausal symptom as I have felt this on many occasions, when I haven't even taken Kalms so I knew it wasn't them. The only way you are going to discover if it is a reaction to them is to take another and see. I take two by the way and have not had any side effects, not saying that you would not of course as each one of us is different, but they have certainly helped me on several occasions.

Lots of Love Pops xxx :peace::peace::peace:


Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tricia on February 02, 2007, 03:26:48 PM
Hi Pops, ;D

Thanks for your reply, I will try them again and see what happens, although I think I might just try the nght time ones and see if they help me to get to sleep earlier at night time, also you mentioned in the other thread that I might try chamomile tea slight problem there as it gives me heartburn, I used to drink it by the bucket load and I think I overdozed on it :stupid:, now I can't go near it  :(, as I loved it.

By the way Pops, I love your penguin piccie, yep made me laugh too ;D ;D

And now as she goes off on one of her rambles pray tell all you lovely people out there is heartburn a symptom of the menopause you see until my periods stopped last year for the glorious 6 months :ola:, I had never suffered from heartburn............ ::), well maybe on an odd occasion but now I getting to the stage where I am wondering what the dickens  ???, I can eat without comming down with the dreaded thing, my heart goes out to all those people who have suffered  ;D ;D, get it heart  ;D, sorry but I never realised how painful it can be (ouch!).

Love

Tricia :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppyrose on February 02, 2007, 05:58:12 PM

Hi Again Tricia  ;D

Yes fraid so, heartburn is another symptom of the men-o-bloody-pause! LOL I went through a really bad phase of getting really uncomfortable and bloated when I had hardly eaten a thing, it also gave me palpitations. I worked out that it was chocolate and caffeine were not doing me any favours, so the next step was to cut them out which I did. The chocolate wasn't so bad as I never have eaten much of it, but cutting right back of caffeine in coffee, tea and cola drinks was tough and I felt like hell for two weeks, but after this passed I felt much better. I also had an endoscopy last year and it was discovered that I have an acid reflux problem, so I have to take medication for this every day or I am in dire trouble! But generally I feel much better now.
What do you take for your heartburn? you could try Ranitidine or Cimtetidine which you can now buy over the counter, this may help you. But ultimately you should really see your docotr for persistant heartburn like this and let him/her make the assessment based on you medical history, sorry I know you probably did not want to hear this, but it is best to err on the side of caution.
Didn't you mention that you suffered with RA? This makes me wonder if you are perhaps taking meds for this and that quite possibly these may be causing your heartburn, (or adding to it)? Just a thought.

Glad you like the pic  ;D

Lots of Love Pops xxx :peace::peace::peace:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tricia on February 03, 2007, 01:33:56 AM
Hi Pops :) :thankyou: :foryou:, I think you deserve these just for your patience  ;D

I bet you are getting fed up of answering my questions  ;D, if my heartburn is really bad I take Gavilast although I used to take charcoal tablets as this was what my Homeopath recommended the only problem with the charcoal is I think they are good for rare and mild heartburn but not for this kind I have never felt anything like it and yes I think perhaps you are right and I should mention it to my doctor as just the other night I actually had projectile reflux which was new :-[, sorry to be so descriptive but this was a first for me, I have had the reflux before but not this  :-[ eeekkk.

Yes I did say I had RA but thanks to Homeopathy I no longer take orthodox medicine for it as I had my fillings changed a few years ago and what with the amount of EPA fish oils I take I find that with all the things I did I am able to keep it at bay although yes I have found that just lately my joints are beginning to play up a bit, but since reading that this can also be a sign of as you say men-o-bloody-pause, then this has put me at ease as I think that knowing why it is occuring helps you to cope, it's the not knowing that makes it scary :o, as for cola I found out a few years ago that fizzy drinks make my RA worse therefore I do not drink them, on the odd occasion I might have a glass of fanta but that is the only thing I can get away with :).

Sorry seem to have rambled a bit  ;D ;D ;D

Love

Tricia ;D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sue54 on February 03, 2007, 05:09:53 PM
Ginger is really good for indigestion. It really helps with the heartburn

Sue
 :-*
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tricia on February 03, 2007, 05:16:04 PM
Hi Sue :)

Thank you for that I will certainly try it  :peace:

Love

Tricia :thankyou:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppyrose on February 04, 2007, 12:36:06 AM

Hi Ladies,  ;D

Yes Sue54 is absolutely right, ginger is great for heartburn and nausea, now why didn't I remember this? Flaming heck my memory is geting worse!

Once I was working on a gynae ward and we had a young woman in who was suffering from...wait for it....Hyperemesis Gravidarum....err what is she on about now? I hear you asking  ;D ;D ;D

Hyperemesis Gravidarum, simply means excessive sickness due to pregnancy  8) Why on earth they don't just say that is beyond me too  ::) But at least now you know.  ;)

Well this poor girl had this really badly and she was losing weight which is not good, she had been given all the drugs she could safely be given because of her pregnancy and still no let up, she was physically exhausted. Then by some good fortune we had a Gypsy lady admitted and she was put in the same bay in the opposite bed to the pregnant girl. She soon sussed the situation out and said, forget all those drugs give her some ginger beer, she'll soon stop. We didn't of course, so the next thing I know she had a relative bring in some and had given it to the pregnant girl to sip every 15 mins and within one hour she had actually stopped vomiting and within 2 hours for the first time in 2 months she had lost the feeling of nausea and that night she had her first night of undisturbed sleep for weeks. She went home a few days later able to eat and drink again, albeit in very small quantities.

Well this was one lesson we all learned on that ward, bearing in mind of course that this was in the days *before* complimentary medicines had taken off. But I have used ginger whenever I have felt nauseous ever since and it hasn't let me down once!

Lots of Love Pops xxx :peace:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Angel on February 06, 2007, 09:13:38 AM
Hi
I havn't had a full night sleep since whenever. Sometimes I wake and can turn over and go straight back to sleep, but this last month or so it's been the flushes. They seem to have eased now (due to cycle??), but still dreadful sleep. I bought the night time Kalms on Saturday, and did sleep a bit better, but couldn't try them Sunday, as I was on-call with my job. I don't have a problem going to sleep, just staying asleep, and I have no worries at present, apart from lack of sleep!!
Yesterday my hubby bought me a download of something called 'Sleep time' - a relaxation/self-hypnosis CD. I went to bed last night with the little ear pieces in of my MP3 player, and relaxed. It was weird, I was listening to the man's voice and I did relax. I was aware that I wanted to move, and part of me was trying to think of other things (I think I was just testing the accuracy of the CD!), but I can honestly say I couldn't do either, and I couldn't open my eyes either! I was aware of hubby coming to bed, and he took the headphones off me, the CD had finished (25 mins), and I knew it had, but I couldn't speak to him, just turned over and slept!  I did wake a few times - couldn't open my eyes still! I trundled to the loo with eyes closed, straight back to bed and sleep.
The only downside was that it says you wake up refreshed, I felt like I had a bit of a hangover. I do sometimes wake like that anyway, without the alcohol I hasten to add! It says it may not work fully until up to 2 weeks.  I will definitely try it again and keep you all informed.

Angel  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tanny on February 07, 2007, 10:53:14 AM





 forget all those drugs give her some ginger beer, she'll soon stop. We didn't of course, so the next thing I know she had a relative bring in some and had given it to the pregnant girl to sip every 15 mins and within one hour she had actually stopped vomiting and within 2 hours for the first time in 2 months she had lost the feeling of nausea and that night she had her first night of undisturbed sleep for weeks.

Lots of Love Pops xxx :peace:


I think ginger is supposed to be good for settling the stomach and have heard about using it for travel sickness. It is also an anti-inflammatory and helps with aches and pains. I get quite bad migraines and have found that fizzy drinks seem to help with the associated sickness.  I did think it was just Cola that worked, but with the last attack didn't have any in the house  and just used some fizzy Tango and it seemed to work the same.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on March 20, 2007, 05:27:29 PM
I am still struggling with it to be honest. I came off HRT patches ( Evorel Conti ) in December and in mid January had a vicious return to symptoms including this terrible insomnia which came on overnight. I've never had this before - slept well all my life. I tried a few things ( the usual herbs, over the counter stuff, melatonin etc) but nearly 3 weeks ago went back on HRT. My GP could see I was on my knees with only 3-4 hours sleep a night so she suggested a slightly higher dose to try to tackle the by now quite deep seated problem ( over 2 months of poor sleep) and help the sleep resolve, then phase down to a lower dose again. All the other horrid symptoms have gone - hurrah! - but the sleep is still a huge problem, with no sign of real improvement yet. Does any-one know how long I will have to wait to see an improvement? I am desperate! I know I should be patient but I long to sleep just a bit better - I take ages to fall asleep, wake often and have poor fragmented sleep. Any advice or wisdom would be much appreciated.
I feel like I'm only half alive and so fearful every night. Suzie Q
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tricia on March 20, 2007, 06:10:00 PM
Hi SuzieQ  :)

Sorry your having such a rotten time with sleeping, I am sorry I can't really offer you very much in the way of advice for how long it may last, only thing is that my doctor recommended me to take St.Johns Wort for fatigue as I don't really sleep very well or should I say I don't sleep at night time like most people, but could sleep all day long given the chance ;D I am not too bad just now I am finding it is something I have mearly learnt to live with for just now, I can only say be good to yourself and don't be so hard on yourself sending you lots of hugs :hug: :hug: :hug:

Love,

Tricia :sunny:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on March 20, 2007, 08:43:23 PM
HI Tricia Thank you for your lovely message and the advice - its great to have support in this - I feel very low just now and your hug helps! I know "this too will pass" and I am very confident the patches will work eventually. Its just hard worrying when that will be and what the heck do I do if they don't - as I'm certainly not staying on this dose of HRT if they don't work! A menopuase specialist nurse I spoke to said I needed to give it 3 months to be a fair trial and that the sleep would probably just resolve slowly in that time - I just pray she is right! Meanwhile I try to be positive about the progress so far and to be relaxed about the nights - if I don't sleep at least I can rest and enjoy the peace. I pray a lot then!
Bless you for your concern - I pray you will find relief and peace too.
Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Nicole on March 21, 2007, 03:08:04 PM
Started menopausal symptoms at the tender age of 40 and insomnia was the symptom I found most difficult to cope with.  Most nights I lay awake for very long periods making me anxious and of course the anxiety just compounded the sleep problem.  I did not enjoy the daytime because I felt so wretche, tired and tearful.  My GP thought I was too young for menopause even though my periods were very irregular so I was treated for depression.  The anti-depressant I was prescribed solved my sleep problems as it was very sedating but when I stopped taking it the sleep problem was still there.  I tried lots of things calcium, valerian, Kalms, black cohosh, blood pressure pills, lavender oil, herbal nytol, nytol, cammomile tea, good sleep hygiene but things were worse than ever as I was now soaking with sweat most of the time.  By now I was 43 and my GP said that if the insomnia was caused by low oestrogen then only HRT would help.  First type did nothing but upset my stomach but the second (Ellest Duet) smallest dose was fabulous.  The first day I took one I slept wonderfully, just like the good old days and my sweats disappeared within a week, in fact all symptoms were greatly improved.  I have been taking this for over 4 years and to go to bed without fear of not sleeping is truly wonderful.  My only worry is that one day I will have to stop taking it and things will be as they were, but for now I am enjoying life to the full.  HRT often suffers from bad press but my symptoms made my life hell so for me it is worth the risk.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: ladyjane on March 21, 2007, 03:36:43 PM
The menopause symptom that bothered me the most was not able to sleep and the anxiety that went with it. I have some zopiclone that my Dr prescribed but I only take half a tablet when I really have too. I am on a a very low dose patch .025 that I keep on for a week if poss, and take 1mg of melatonin, it usually works, but I still wish that I could sleep the way I use to before all this started, I think of its the symptoms of not sleeping that persists after menopause. Have always thought that I could deal with anything that life threw at me if I could sleep!
Sandyx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Soo Bear on March 21, 2007, 10:09:58 PM
Hi all
I am afraid that I don't sleep well at all. Once I am awake I find that it is hard to get back off.
Any suggestions?
Soo bear
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Libby Babe on March 22, 2007, 09:23:14 AM
Hi Soo Bear :)
Sorry to hear you are having trouble sleeping.  I find that listening to music quietly on headphones helps me, it might be worth a try.  It is awful when you can't sleep and we can all sympathise with you.  Let me know how you get on.
Love Libby
x :hug:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Foggy on March 22, 2007, 11:09:20 AM
Hi Soo Bear,  I am exactly the same in that I wake up in the early hours, I can be sound asleep one scond and then suddenly you'd think someone had flicked a switch and my heart sinks when I realise I'm wide awake again!

I've spent weeks lately dragging myself through the days with no energy, aches and pains and just feeling unable to cope  :(

The past couple of nights though have been better, and I've started taking menopace and night time kalms, although I suspect that this might be a blip and I'll be back to square one in a week or so.

My sleeplessness seems to tie in with before, during and after my period, so I often get a week or so when I feel okay, then it strikes again!

I am only 41, but seriously considering going for some medication when it's really bad, as I just can't seem to function.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Menopausal Minnie on March 22, 2007, 11:31:51 AM
Hi Foggy - Sorry to read you're feeling "not the best" I'm having a "not the best day today" it must be really nice to get up in the morning and feel good about the day ahead.....COME BACK SOON.

Big Hug to you :-) :hug: anyway

I take Menopace as well as at least it has had some Medical investigations done.  I also take Kalms as well and find if I time it just right then I get a fair to decent nights sleep.

I'm also going to give the Magnet Therapy a go, and try Starflower Oil capsules again.

You'll be able to pick me up and I'll ruddy well rattle soon - no wonder I'm constipated I'm taking in more "remedies" than actual food :-)

Anyway, hope you feel better soon
Love MM
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Foggy on March 22, 2007, 02:21:44 PM
Aww bless you MM, hugs to you too  :hug: :hug:

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on March 22, 2007, 09:51:53 PM
I am going to try 1 mg of melatonin tonight as suggested - anyone have any other hints or tips to get to sleep easier and quicker - it takes me about 2 hours some nights. All my other symptoms have now been alleviated since I went back on HRT nearly 3 weeks ago ( Evorel patches) but not the sleep yet. I was encouraged by the post from the lady who said she had quick relief when she began Ellest Duo tablets ( was it?) Boy do I need some deep refreshing sleep. I just keep praying for the relief to come ... and worrying that it may never resolve itself. But it did last time when I started HRT 4 years ago - so I'm hoping it will again. We are going to Holland for a weekend break on saturday so I will take the sleeping pills my GP gave me and use them cautiously if need be ( Stillnoct 10mg - will use a half) Love to all you lovely ladies!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on March 23, 2007, 03:02:40 PM
Hi Sue and I can empathize!I am on HRT and it has improved my sleep.I had got to the stage where sometimes in the middle of the night I felt like suicide as I was so tired and couldn't sleep.The second my head touched the pillow the sweats would start.Didn't matter how tired I was.It amazed me that I could sit on the bed watching tv or lie in bed watching tv but as soon as I attempted sleep the sweats started.Then when I did sleep I would be woken up by them.HRT has stopped most of the sweats and I don't normally have to much of a problem going to sleep,but I do have fazes of waking about 2 hours after I've fallen asleep and lying there convinced it must be time to get up..wide awake..then putting the light on and realising its 1.30am or whatever :(!It only seems to last for a few days and then I get probably four or five hours undisturbed sleep.Hopefully you'll start sleeping better soon.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on March 23, 2007, 06:15:15 PM
HI JuJu thanks for your very encouraging post. How long were you on it before the sleep began to improve? It is good to hear from someone who is getting better - I need to hear that sort of thing as I feel so sorry for my self just now - I feel sometimes just so desperate and like my life is totally pants! Will be taking a pill tonight so i know i'll sleep! But after that its back to the long hard uphill battle to get back to normal .... lov eto you thanks for your help x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on March 23, 2007, 07:45:34 PM
Hi Sue...I cant remember :-\...but I seem to think within a month everything had improved.I think I noticed lessening of flushes first and a general improvement in the way i was feeling.My moods had become quite awful and I was a nightmare to live with.Everything seemed to step down a bit quite quickly and I lost the desperate feeling I had.Dont know if it makes sense to you.I had resisted hrt for about three years trying everything I could buy which just ended up costing me loads.Then the gp put me on clonidine but that had no effect.By the time I tried hrt I was truly desperate and quite honestly would have taken arsenic if I thought it would help.I hope it works for you.Julie xxxx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on March 27, 2007, 03:47:12 PM
HI Juju - thank you for yor helpful reply - I have been back on Hrt for over 3 weeks now and not seen any real improvement yet but the problem has been bad for over 2 months now. I keep on hoping that it will slowly improve and i'll be able to fall off to sleep easier and sleep for longer. It does make you very anxious - every night feels like a battle - but I know that only makes it worse and the answer is to try to be relaxed about what happens. At least the flushes and sweats are under control now and I feel generally a lot better, calmer and happier - if only the sleep would come right I would be so happy! I went to Amsterdam with my husband at the weekend for a little break and took a Stillnoct sleeping tablet on the 3 nights we were away and slept SOOO well ....but its back to tryiing to sleep without that aid tonight so think pf me! love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on March 28, 2007, 07:29:50 AM
Just a quick update - it was hard to sleep last night after a few nights on sleeping pills  ( maybe took til 1 am from lying down at 11pm)  but I did get some sleep eventually, but very light and patchy sleep, waking up many times, and being awake for a while each time.  Don't feel rested this morning, but maybe I slept more that I realised! My husband said I was asleep every time he woke and checked - its just the lack of deep restful sleep I miss....does anyone else find that? I am just praying so hard this HRT will help the sleep ( been on it nearly a month now) as it has the other symptoms. When I first went onto HRT 4 years ago it helped the sleep  quite quickly - within a month and it was very noticably improved over about a week.....Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on March 28, 2007, 07:55:39 AM
Hi Sue and glad you had a good time in Amsterdam and some sleep even if it wasnt the "real" kind. I know they like you to take the hrt for 3 months before they can say whether its working ok for you.When you were on it before was it the same one?You said you slept then and sorry if I have read what it was and forgotten :-\!If it isne the asme one maybe they can put you back on the other one.I have been on three kinds but because i was having bleeds and this one seems ok,but as i said my sleeping isnt perfect,but liveable with for me and a lot better than it was.My OH always says I seem to be asleep except when I do have a v bad night....not so often now.One of my friends reminded me I've never been a brilliant sleeper,she was but suffers now as well!Hope you can get some relief/sleep soon!Julie xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on March 28, 2007, 12:52:23 PM
HI julie - thank you so much for the reply. In answer to your Q - yes I am on the same one only a stronger dose now for the last 3-4 weeks as my GP thought a higher dose might work for the sleep. Its Evorel Conti patches - now on 100 - was on 50 which is the lowest you can get in that one. I was absolutely fine on that for 4 years - not a hint of sleep problems - this has all been provoked by coming off HRT. I must admit today I feel dreadful - My OH may have thought I was sleeping  whenever he checked and Iwas sort of lightly dozing but it was dreamy poor sleep! At least I don't have the sweats and flushes any more - and I can keep calm at night and not panic - but if thi sdoesn't resolve itself I can't imagine how I'll cope and live a normal life. I just feel so desperate and there seems no answer to it - just keep on suffering I suppose and try to get by the best you can. Its not living life as it should be though is it?  Thank you so much for caring and helping - I find it very moving that all these women you have never even met can be so supportive. I don't know what else to try - I feel so helpless. Love to you Sue xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on March 28, 2007, 08:43:41 PM
Hi sue and sorry you are struggling.What about phoning and talking to your GP?Mine is quite happy to do that and I dont feel I'm wasting her time quite as much as making an appointment!There maybe something else you can take or do and at least it keeps them in the picture.Hoping you get a better night soon!Julie xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on March 29, 2007, 07:41:10 AM
Thanks Julie - you are very kind and I really appreciate it - I was thinking I would phone the doc or a specialist menopause nurse I have found who is very helpful. I wa swondering if my estrogen dose is too high a sI know that can sometimes cause a "feedback" problem. The sleep was dreadful again last night and I feel generally not as good as i did - v. sore breasts, very down, a bit shaky etc but that could be the lack of sleep....only 4 hours last night with 2 wake ups and a very early wake for me - unable to drop off again.
Thank you for your good wishes - hope you are Ok and doing well.
Love Sue x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Do I Come Here often? on March 29, 2007, 10:02:07 AM
Morning All!
Here we go..I can now join the club re poor sleepers! I'm 48, have been peri-menopausal for about four years.  Periods have been occasionally late one month by a week, and then fine for a while, then a week early, but nothing too drastic.  Occasionally heavy but mostly manageable (One awful incident, when I flooded on my best friends new carpet!) (Ohh the shame! :-[) Fairly regular night sweats, but I have managed to sleep through them, just waking enough to realise how hot/wet I am, throw the covers off and go back to sleep. (I must cover myself up again whilst still asleep!)  No hot flushes during the day, but I do perspire heavily from the arm pit area, although my body can feel quite cold at the time, weird!!  I have the usual foggy head, dizziness etc Oh and lots of joint and muscle pain / weakness, but I have had the hormone test at the docs and I am confirmed peri men, so I'm not worrying about the symptoms, just going with them! Well I was.....I've been awaiting my last period for 3 weeks now, and as my hubby has been attended to, I am assuming I'm not preggie...(Keep rubbing my tummy lovingly, just in case!) (Hope I'm not though as my other two are 22 and 19 and I'm more than happy with my brood) (Hubby keeps looking at the milkman too!) Anyway, back to the sleeping thing.  I now find that I wake up about four in the morning, and I can't get back to sleep again.  I'm not sweating, just wide awake! This must be tied in with the absent period/hormone thing?  I have a hot bath before I go to bed, I'm nice and relaxed, but still wake up very early.  Oh and I'm really stiff when I get up too and It's much more noticeable than it used to be :crutch: (Slight exaggeration there, but sometimes it feels like that!) I'm still fairly cheerful about it all,but I've got a headache today, due to lack of sleep, and I think if it goes on for much longer, it will definately wear me down. I really don't want to go on to HRT, so we will see how it goes.... So good to hear everyone elses experiences though, it really does help to know that you are not alone!  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tricia on March 29, 2007, 12:25:19 PM
Hi D.I.C.H.O. :),

Hope you don't mind me abbreviating your name  ;) ah! yes the joys of sleep or lack of as the case may be  :-\ , I think you are doing the right thing in just going with the flow as far as the symptoms are concerned or you end up getting yourself into a right state about this and that, but that is the great thing about this forum you know there are loads of other lovely menochicks on here who know exactly what you are talking about and just talking about it makes so much difference, nice to see you back again :peace:

Love,

Tricia :gym:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on March 29, 2007, 02:41:09 PM
Hi Julie - just to update you - I did talk to the GP and she has suggested I cut the estrogen extra patch in half so I am now on Evorel conti 75 mg instead of 100. She thinks the symptoms sound like too much estrogen  and we need to get the balance right. She also still thinks its early days for the sleep to be improved by the hRT so she looking for a sleep specialist to refer me to in the hopes that will help in the mean time as I am so low with the sleep deprivation. I am also thinking of seeing a counsellor which my friend who is a GP has contact with as I feel very anxious about the sleep and that doesnt help it at all! My GP is lovely and tries very hard to help in any way she can - she gave me good advice today about the sleeping pills also. love Sue x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on March 29, 2007, 07:43:19 PM
Hi Sue and I'm really hoping that you get a result with the lower dose.I was on a higher dose of estrogen for a while and they had to change it as I was having bleeds.I mentioned to the doctor that i had worse sweats while I was on it and she couldnt understand why but I had googled it and there is a school of thought that too much estrogen can cause flushes and sweats and probably insomnia!It sounds hopeful anyway and I'm sure the counselling will be helpful.I used to counsel for rape crisis and we (the workers) had to have quite a lot of counselling,it was lovely to be able to talk about me to some one who was really interested!Ah many moons ago....before the dreaded meno!Julie xxx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on March 30, 2007, 02:26:22 PM
Hi Julie - Guess what - I already feel better ! I think its probably that I feel more in control again, and that I think the sleep specialist may help - I also trained as a counsellor years ago and i do think it is a wonderful therapy. I read on your reply to the lady with the fainting problem that you are a geordie - so am I! Well technically a northumbrian, but I lived  in Whitley Bay and Newcastle for years. Thought I could sense an empathy there!
Today I bought a personal CD player - going to try some relaxation Cds and also something called binaural beats - a CD with music and some extra beats which apparently(!) set up some waves which help your brain to re-tune to sleep. I'll try anything - but it will be interesting - sounds like a fan whirring away! My Mum used to swear by 2 co-codamol and hot milk when she could/ny sleep so I might try that too.
Hope you are Ok and sleeping a bit Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on March 30, 2007, 03:58:55 PM
Hi Sue and really glad to hear you're feeling better already!A sleep specialist eh?Interesting.They must be few and far between.You will have to let us know how that goes.And a Northumbrian to boot!I am a townie.Well in reality I was born in a little northumbrian place called annitsford.But we moved to Jesmond when I was 3 as me mam had aspirations!I have been away from the north for about 33 years...moved as far south as was possible without falling off the bottom!I have had a couple of not bad nights.Watched tv til v late and then awake once and up about 6.30.So feeling well!Julie x
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Post by: juju on March 30, 2007, 04:09:50 PM
Oops forgot Sue...my mam also swears by co codamol to sleep.She s always trying to get me to take them.I havent cos I cant see that they will make any difference!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tricia on March 30, 2007, 04:25:03 PM
Hi Sue :)

Glad to hear you are feeling better and I would be very interested in hearing about your sleep therapist it sounds interesting :peace:

Love,

Tricia :sunny:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Foggy on March 30, 2007, 06:23:05 PM
Juju, it's funny that you should say that about your mum taking co-codamol, my mum swears by it or paracetamol too!

I think the codeine is a morphine derivative, so maybe that makes you more relaxed ???

I might try a couple of paracetamol, it can only help when my legs are aching I suppose, I think I'm adapting to lack of sleep now!  ::) :-\ ;D

Here's hoping everyone has a good night tonight!  8)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: cathannabel on March 31, 2007, 02:23:28 PM
Sleep probs are always a vicious circle - everything else is harder to cope with when you haven't slept well in ages and then you get stressed and wake up in the night worrying about it all...  I've had sleep probs for ages - plus idiopathic hypersomnia (in other words, I fall asleep during the day and they haven't the foggiest why - I've been checked out for narcolepsy and still no idea). I was doing better, using sleep mask and ear plugs to shut out all light and muffle sound (eg husband snoring), but now....  I go off ok but wake usually around 3, and then find it so hard to get back to sleep again.  Doc has prescribed amitryptyline (think thats what it is) in v. low doses but havent started it yet, am a bit unsure whether I want to try it...  Anyone else had this? 
love
Cath
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on March 31, 2007, 03:20:37 PM
Hello Lovely ladies - Julie, Cath, Tricia et al .... firstly so glad to hear Julie had better night - so did I but it was mostly courtesy of half a Stillnoct, but I still slept better on that than i have done on that or even bigger dose recently. I got woken up by my mobile ringing at 3 but still got back to sleep and had a good 8 hours last night. That wa sll because we were out late in London  ... have to have several nights without now ... going to try teh co-codamol tonight. The CD player didn't work - it was faulty - so am going to try that too ( got a nother one) my friend who doesn't sleep says a fan going works for her. Oh isn't all this fun! not!! I/m reading a good book called How to say goodnight to insomnia in 6 weeks! I'll let you know on that one!I'm sure now cutting down the estrogen was a good idea - who knows it may even help the sleep now! JuJu - was your sleep even worse before you went on HRT - is it greatly improved now - or just a bit? I'm beginning to think I just have to accept this for the moment and get on with it as my Mam used to say! Love to you all - I'm sending you some imaginary daffodils to cheer you up cos I don't have pretty pictures like Tricia to decorate my posts. Sue
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Post by: Tricia on March 31, 2007, 03:28:45 PM
Hi Sue :)

I only use the smillies which are on top of the reply box or as I have recently found photobucket which is now my new thing I have learnt to do  ;D

Love,

Tricia :sunny:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on March 31, 2007, 08:31:06 PM
Hi Tricia and Julie  et al :-*  Just to show that I can use the smilies!
I definitely feel better today since the lower dose - breasts not so sore tonight and feeling a lot less down. Still a bit anxious over sleep but hey! whats the worst that can happen? Its Sunday tomorrow so no pressure. Sleep well all
Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on April 01, 2007, 09:08:48 AM
Hi sue and hope the co codamel worked...not telling my mam if it did..shes a told you so person!My sleep was abysmal before HRT.I had too many nights where I was almost suicidal because I was so tired and couldnt sleep.I used to get so I felt I couldnt stand it any longer and then I would have a slightly better night.So yes it has improved a lot and I dont get the desperate feeling now.Cath sorry I havent had or heard of anyone having the amy stuff.Hopefully someone will post about it.You might have more luck posting it as a seperate topic.Have you googled it?Julie x
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Post by: juju on April 01, 2007, 04:16:35 PM
Hi Sue and I'm so sorry to hear you've had a really bad night.Its awful and I can really empathise as can a lot of the other women on here.3am is a horrible place to be when all you want to do is sleep.All I can say is try not to worry about it (oh yeah!)and try and relax.Because the desperation has gone for me(which may be HRT or the factI was on a knife edge before I started it) then when I am lying awake I do relax and think well at least my body's resting!Mind my body rests a lot more than it used to and I can sit and stare into space for hours!I used to be permanently on the go.Today I have been gardening which was nice except for the wind...blowing a gale.I really hope you get some results soon.Julie x :foryou:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 01, 2007, 07:41:40 PM
Thank you Julie - and for the flowers! I do think its a bit of rebound from the sleeping pills - but what am I to do. Between a rock and a hard place. Maybe tonight will be better - I will try to relax and breathe deeply. I'm having reflexology tomorrow eve and that always helps with anxiety and relaxation! Bless you for your advice and kindness love Sue PS Iknow Annitsford well and also Jesmond - had a flat off Jesmond Rd when I was first teaching in 1973! Slept like  log then - always shattered!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 02, 2007, 07:35:30 AM
Hello lovelies - Just a quick post to say I did have  abetter night - periods of sleep and dozy in between so it felt like a whole night - breathing helped a lot! Thanks for all support Julie you are a star! love Sue x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Foggy on April 02, 2007, 11:29:48 AM
Wahey!  Great news!  Time to brag now - I've slept solid for the past three nights  8) 8) :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sarah bird on April 02, 2007, 12:10:47 PM
Just in case there is light at the end of the tunnel .....! !  and to give some encouragement I wanted to say that i have been sleeping much better lately :)
hurrah .
i do still stir a little and am aware that i'm hot but then doze off again ...yipee ! !

So perhaps the end is in sight ? ? I do hope so.

I'm 48 and my first  night sweat happened when i was around 38  ! !

day time flushes are still hourly but seem to be not quite as bad as previously.

having said all that we all know how quickly everything can change, so i'm just keeping my fingers crossed that THIS TIME the end really is in sight .

love Sarah b   current status ...quite cool
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Squirrel on April 02, 2007, 01:31:23 PM
Sorry Menochicks but feel I have to say this.  Co-codamol contains paracetamol and codeine.  They are not sleeping tabs they are painkillers. 

No offence intended to anyone here or their mums but why are you taking painkillers to make you sleep – I really think that has to be a no, no.  Be careful you can get addicted.  . 

I occasionally take a paracetamol & codeine tablet from Boots for pain relief and find they are pretty good and yes they do make me feel sleepy for a couple of hours.  But as Foggy says that's the codeine, and it's not for regular use.

The trouble with painkillers containing codeine is that you start taking more because your body gets used to them. And the longer you take them, the more tolerant you get to the effects. These pills make you feel calm, drowsy and relaxed, but that is where the addiction can come in so you do have to be careful.  Also with co-codamol you have to watch for anything else you are taking that contains paracetamol (cold remedies etc).

Codeine is not suitable for everyone. These drugs can cause sickness, dizziness and constipation, so you don't want to be adding to an already lengthy list of meno problems.

Please be careful ladies, I'm only saying this because I care.  :-*

Chris
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on April 02, 2007, 06:35:53 PM
Hi and sue foggy and sarah thats great that you've all had a bit better sleep!Sue I hope you enjoy your reflexology.Got to say I am def sleeping better since I stopped the red wine :(Shame cos I like it!Chris thanks for your sensible advice...I haven't ever tried taking cocodamol for sleep but my mam swears by it and lots of her mates.I think they only take one but I never have because I always thought it wouldn't work cos its a pain killer.Sue tried it the once and it didn't work,but her mam takes or has taken it for sleep and foggy said her mam used to say the same but I dont think Foggy tried it either.Sue has been a bit desperate understandably and I use to be there before hrt.I would happily have hit myself on the head with a hammer to get some sleep.Anyway hope tonight is ok for you all.Julie x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 03, 2007, 07:36:27 AM
Just wanted to reply to Foggy and Sarah b - thats great! I really rejoice with you. The light at the end of the tunnel must be sucha  welcome sight! Foggy do you know what has made the difference? Anything you can identify and pass on to us? Last 2 nights I have moved into a pattern of sleeping and sort of dozy waking - but its still very shallow sleep, waking every couple of hours and dreaming a lot. I go off agian if my hubby cuddles me and this morn managed to sleep past dawn with the help of an eye mask. But I'd love a full night! Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cazikins on April 03, 2007, 12:20:39 PM
For the last 2 weeks or so I have been having a terrible time sleeping, last night was the worse. Just lay there trying to "switch off", probably got about 2 - 3 hours in all. :( :(
I just wonder if it is because the clocks went forward a while back & I forgot to tell my body.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 03, 2007, 05:21:17 PM
HI Cazikins - AAh poor you - I do sympathise ( look back a  my recent posts to see I have the same problem and have had for over 2 months since trying to stop HRT.)The clock change could be part of the problem I suppose - are you stressed about anything, or getting too hot with the weather all over the place just now? Try to relax and do some breathing and relaxation exercises. Take some time to prepare for bed quietly - all the usual stuff, you know it!
Hope tonight is better and all the other nights too - just take it one day at a time
Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Menopausal Minnie on April 03, 2007, 05:34:46 PM
Hi Cazikins - I'm so sorry to hear you're not getting much "shut eye" - :-\

I used to have that problem, but I "cured" it - (probably should'nt have said that now) - by taking two KALMS after my evening meal and then either 2 or 4 KALMS (SLEEP ones) an hour before I go to bed.

Pretty much ZONKS me out for most of the night.  I am trying out the magnet therapy as well and that has helped - or so I think?

Anyway - it might help  :-*

Huge Hug - Angie
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cazikins on April 03, 2007, 08:00:35 PM
Thanks Sue & Angie, am I stressed out about anything....yeah went through a bad time couple of weeks ago but gave myself a kick up the backside & slowly getting back to some sort of nomality. I think I have just taken this poor sleeping on board as being another symptom of the menopause, never use to have much of a problem dropping off at night but the last month or so I have seen a change.
I tried the deep breathing but all I could manage was something that sounded like a big sigh.
Thanks gals
Love Cazikins xxx :cat48: :catscratch: :cat48: :catscratch:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 04, 2007, 03:46:33 PM
Hi everyone - I have been prescribed a small dose of amitriptiline ( 10mg) today as I had a very bad night last night and my doc feels its anxiety based now - there is a lot of advice on a seperate board bout this - but I am worried about trying an anti-depressant even in such a tiny dose. apparently it makes you sleepy and drowsy as a side effect as well as having a mild calming effect. i'll let you know how I get on love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tricia on April 04, 2007, 03:51:20 PM
Hi Sue :)

Wishing you good luck with your trial of this medication, just know we are all here for you to help and support you and I hope you don't suffer any side effects from it, do let us know how you get on with it ;)

Love,

Tricia :peace:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 04, 2007, 06:45:19 PM
Will do Tricia - your posts always look so pretty! I will try it on my little Easter break away and let you know. My GP friend says its a tiny dose but has proved very helpful to sleepless ladies in her experience. happy Easter love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on April 04, 2007, 07:00:27 PM
Hi Sue hope it works for you.Try not to worry about taking it.Like I said somewhere in a previous post i wouldve taken arsenic if I thought it would work.Hope you enjoy your easter break.Love Julie x ps last night mustve been v bad for you...sorry. :hug:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 07, 2007, 05:31:32 PM
Hi ladies - just a quick update - managed to get a connection up here- the ami tryptiline didn't really work for me last night. I think I took it way too early before bedtime and it did make me drowsy  when I  took it but not asleep when I went to bed. So i had a very poor night again - ah me! Does anyone know anything about the timing of this stuff? Luv sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 08, 2007, 02:39:38 PM
HI Julie and all - much better night! Took the med a lot later - just a si got into bed and read until I felt tired. Slept much more easily and got back to sleep when I woke - it felt like a whole night not just dreamy fragments. So hoorah! and will hope it improves more over next few nights. Feel much better today - normal and rested - just a bit woolly headed  when I first got up but that passed soon. Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on April 12, 2007, 07:26:31 PM
Hi Sue and sorry to hear you've had little sleep with the amytriptiline.It looks like you've been on it 7 or 8 days so maybe you need to speak to the gp again.No word about a sleep specialist then?I dont know anything about the ami so cant help you there.All I can say is keep trying with the gp and try to relax when you go to bed..I know its easier said than done but at least if you do then you're resting and not winding yourself up.All a bit of a viscious circle.Try and keep your chin up....hoping things improve soon for you.Julie xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 16, 2007, 08:03:48 AM
HI Julie - its been a while so i thought Id update you and see how you are doing too! Bit worried because all my recent posts have a red remove thing beside them - what have I done wrong? I am still struggling to cope with the sleep problem - all the same issues and the medication the doctor suggested still isnt working or even helping I feel. I am seeing a specialist - a lady gynae who specialises in the menopause - on Friday so I am just hoping she can shed some light on all this and help me in some way.
How are you doing? love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on April 16, 2007, 12:32:35 PM
Hi Sue...the red remove thing I think is just there for you to see against your posts when you log in..I suppose to give you the chance to remove them if you want!I cant see any against your posts..only mine! ::)I am doing fine at the moment.Havent even felt that warm even with the hot weather we've had.Sleep isnt great but ok.Poor you..you must be really fed up with the not sleeping,I hope the lady gyne can help you.Look forward to hear how you get on.Julie x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 16, 2007, 03:55:59 PM
HI Julie
its really great to hear from you again - sorry your sleep isn't great. I hope it gets better soon - I will let you know how I get on with the lady specialist. to be honest I'm not sure what she can suggest - although today a nurse at a well womens clinic said 6-8 months for sleep patterns to return after going on HRT!! I was amazed - I thought it shouldbe much quicker but she said thats how long it takes on average. I seem to be really stuck just now - in a bad cycle of havin a terrible night if I "go it alone" ...and trouble sleeping again the night or 2 after I take something to help. The amitryp stuff isn't really helping --- I don't know whether to continue and persevere with it or not.
Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Echrada on April 16, 2007, 04:06:50 PM
I have had trouble sleeping for quite a while and was told by my doctor to take Phenergan 10mg (prescribed for travel sickness and allergies) a night for a few days - that really did help.  I now take it when i cannot stand it anymore and it puts me to sleep with no side effects and it does have the added bonus that it isn't a 'sleeping pill'.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 17, 2007, 12:53:12 PM
Hello - thanks for that. Isn't that what we used to give the kids years ago? I think it is the same idea as the amitryptiline som eof us have been prescibed to help with drowsiness and falling asleep. I'm finding it is taking a while to work though. Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 17, 2007, 05:25:46 PM
HI Julie
I am seeing a specialist ( Gyne lady who is expert in \meno) and I wondered If I am on the right HRT dose - its been suggested I should switch to tablets from patches. Which one are you on - what brand etc? i am currently on Evorel conti 50 a combined continuous patch -  but maybe a tablet form - or patch and tablet would be better. I know so little about all this - the patches always worked before so Ive never had to tweak it! Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on April 17, 2007, 06:28:29 PM
Hi Sue..first I was on kliovance then they upped the dose so kliofem but I still kept having bleeds so decided that I needed a different type so am on premique.Apparently its low dose more or less same as first one but I have done 2 and half months of it and no bleeds.0.625mg of conjugated estrogensUSP and 5mg of Medrowyprogesterone Acetate Ph Eur.!!!!!Hope you get your sleep sorted.Yes phenergan is what some of us used to give our kids!Julie x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 17, 2007, 07:26:40 PM
Thanks for that Julie - I will look it up and see if it higher than what I am on - I'm hoping thi slady specialist may have some clever ideas to help. Saw a counsellor for an hour today to talk about the sleep thing - she wa svery good and a lovely warm lady. i hop eits going to help - plus I think teh amitryp is helping a little now. Thanks for your help and concern Love Suexx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 24, 2007, 01:27:11 PM
Hello again Julie and all the lovely ladies here - I saw the meno specialist on Friday and she was sypmathetic and  hopeful that some adjustment of the HRT could help. So ...a) did some blood tests to determine hormone levels now b) suggested change to Climesse oral no-bleed HRT in case I am not absorbing the patch well and c) ordered a pelvic scan ( on Friday) as a precaution to check all is well and see what ovaries are doing and the endometrium thickness. See her again in 6 weeks - not sure if the new HRT will do anything for the sleep, but I live in hopes. Anyone know anything about Climesse? Its 2mg of estradiol and .75 og norethisterone ( progesterone) I think. My sleep is a tiny bit better thanks to the amitryptiline I suspect making me less anxious about it - it still doesn't make me drowsy and I can't fall asleep for ages, but I do eventually sleep in the small hours and it s a bit deeper and less fragmented now. So I feel like if the new hRT could help a bit it would be wonderful. Hope you well and sleeping! love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on April 25, 2007, 07:47:17 AM
Hi Sue!That sounds very helpful,nice to have someone really try to sort things out for you.Glad you're not so anxious about the sleeping.I have been good except a couple of days ago I started with a very sore throat and coughing low down in my throat..nothing else so far..but my voice is almost gone and its keeping me awake!I have an appointment to review my hrt a week friday.Unfortunately my gp is away for two weeks and that day is actually the last day of my hrt!So hopefully it will be ok.Dont know anything about climesse sorry.This one still seems to be working for me as the pthers have all caused bleeds and this one is almost three months and no bleeds.I think you really have to persist to get the right one.Nice to hear something positive!Julie x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Dotty x on April 25, 2007, 11:22:32 AM
i take Melatonin 3mg tablet, and now i sleep for longer and if i am disturbed in the night by a hot flush or needing the loo i can go straight back to sleep, i awake feeling more refreshed and there is no groggyness at all

by the way i cannot take HRT

Dotty x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 26, 2007, 08:24:54 AM
Hi Julie and ladies I have  started the new HRT this morning - so it will take a few weeks I guess to see if it makes any difference to the sleep....still taking the amitryp stuff ans so much less anxious about bedtime and the nights generally which helps a little. I still can't fall asleep until 2 at the earliest, although I do "drift" in and out a bit until then... I am just really praying for some relief from this new regime. I have a pelvic scan tomorrow - just routine - but am  abit worried about it. I will post on a different subject board to see if anyone has had one and can give me some re-assurance. Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Libby Babe on April 28, 2007, 06:17:50 PM
Hi ladies
I have only been on my HRT for 14 days but last night I slept right through for nearly 7 hours (and this is not the first time).   I can honestly say I am sleeping so much better than I have done for ages and I am sure the HRt is helping.
Libby
 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Libby Babe on April 29, 2007, 07:51:00 PM
I did it again! (slept all night that is) from about 11 pm until 6 am this morning and I feel so much better for having proper sleep - hurrah for HRT I say!
Libby
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 29, 2007, 07:55:22 PM
Oh Libby thats just wonderful to hear - how great that must be , I am so glad for you. I find it very encouraging. Was your sleep really bad before and for how long? Which HRT are you on? Its great that it has worked so quickly for you! Sorry for all the questions - hope you don't mind! Its wonderful to read some good news!
Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Libby Babe on April 29, 2007, 08:19:25 PM
Hi Sue :)
Well it's hard to remember how long I have had trouble sleeping, it seems like ages.  It wasn't terrible but I was always conscious of waking a lot and not always being able to go back to sleep, usually needing to go to the loo, but I seem to be so much better at the moment, it is wonderful.  I am taking Elleste Duet 1 mg and I must admit I am amazed that I am seeing results so quickly.  I have so much more energy and am getting so much more done each day than I was.  I just hope it lasts.  Even my leg cramps have been much better today.
I don't mind about the questions, I am pleased to talk about it.  Yes, it is good to read good news.
Love Libby
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on April 29, 2007, 09:09:39 PM
Hey thats great Libby!Hrt has been excellent for me too.At the moment I have a cough which is keeping me awake at night...I know its not permanent so can cope!Sue how did your scan go?Hope you are feeling better.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 30, 2007, 08:33:12 AM
Hi Julie Good to hear from you - isnt it great news about Libbys sleep improving! My scan went well - I only had to have the abdominal one as she could see everything was OK that way so no need for the transvaginal one. It was the full bladder that was so uncomfortable! She sais very little sign of ovarian activity and teh womb lining looked thin and no fibroids or anything. I get the offivial results tomorrow if I ring the consultants secretary. Having siad that I am having a little  bit of a period on this new HRT ( exactly 1 month after that one I had when I increased the dose of patch) so I don't know what thats all about!  Any way it was a relief to get the scan done and be told it looked OK. Sorry to hear about your cough - hope it imroves soon and lets you sleep again. I am so much better on the amitryp - less anxious and really very chilled, but still take ages to get to sleep and not really good sleep yet. I hope the new HRT will work for me too! Love  Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Libby Babe on April 30, 2007, 08:36:57 AM
Thanks Julie
I hope your cough sorts itself out soon and you can get some better sleep.
take care
Love Libby
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on April 30, 2007, 06:22:46 PM
Hi Sue and Libby and thanks for your good wishes!You both sound pretty positive.Great when we're feeling like that!I am back to GP on friday..will actually have taken my last hrt pill but couldnt get appointment any quicker!My GP is on holiday so will see the other lady one who I havent seen since early last year when I was half mad!See if she notices the difference! ;D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on May 02, 2007, 04:25:47 PM
HI Julie - Thinking of you for Friday - hope it goes well. Also hope no problems with taking the last one before you can get more. No improvement yet on my sleep - still abysmal as you said! - on the new hRT but its only a week tomorrow since i started it. I live in hopes! The ami still helps and I think its keeping me calm and relaxed - but I still can't seem to get off to sleep  until the small hours.... its a real pain and very distressing last night. Let us know how you get on on Friday Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Wolflady on May 02, 2007, 05:47:30 PM
As yet I have put off taking HRT. I can cope with all the other things at the moment but not poor sleep. Sometimes I can get to sleep without trouble and other times despite being tired it takes me ages to get to sleep. But I always wake in the night and not always to go to the loo either. I just wake up,sometimes more than once a night, and then when the alarm goes off I am just so tired. Last week it got so bad I was really stroppy at work because of disturbed nights. Thankfully last night I woke once briefly then went straight back to sleep. I felt as though I'd actually had a good nights sleep.
If taking HRT is going to get me a good nights sleep then it may be worth taking it just for that.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on May 02, 2007, 09:59:45 PM
Hi wolflady - yes poor sleep is the worst by far of all the delightful symptoms we suffer. It may well respond to HRT - it seems to for many women. My experience bears that out - it was coming off HRT that precipitated my poor sleep and as yet I have not found that re-starting HRT has helped - but I hope it will. Its just a hard decision that we all have to weigh up - a low dose one may do it for you.
Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on May 04, 2007, 09:34:13 PM
Hi Julie Just wanted to ask how your visit to the  doctors went?
Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cazikins on May 05, 2007, 12:48:04 AM
Wolflady I too have put off going on HRT, why I do not know, (oh I remember - my doc wont give it to me) I am living through hell with the meno but trying to hold down a job that was a doddle last year but now is like a mountain to climb. Should we or shouldn't we go on HRT? -  thay say that quality of life is more important... & I am begining to believe them.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on May 07, 2007, 02:00:39 PM
Hi Sue and everyone else!Sorry didnt post til today,havent been on for a few days.Yep got the HRT fine.The gp asked how she could help and I said I needed HRT script and she paled and said"I was looking at your notes and really hoping you wouldnt ask for that"It was because I had to try the other types before I found one that suited and she said if this one had not worked out for me she wouldnt have wanted to try another one as my own gp has been dealing with it all.However this one is fine for me.She did remember how bad I was early part of last year. ???The one I am on is a very low dose and this gp i saw is a younger woman.She said its probably best to be on a low dose..oh yeah...I do wonder if they think we dont read all the stuff about hrt.I am sticking with it for now as I really cant bear to think about how awful I was without it.So thanks for asking.Thing is for me,I have smoked 30/40 a day for 38 years..not now as stopped nearly 15 months ago, and most of that time I never thought about any harm it was doing me.Also..dont tell!....I messed with cannabis and lsd and speed in my youth..and never thought that might harm me.I have binged the alcohol.Ate junk.Partied all night.So life now as a almost middleaged laydee is pretty damn healthy.and the hrt makes a massive difference!Sorry for going on but no one can butt in on here can they? ;DJulie x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on May 07, 2007, 08:05:32 PM
Absolutely not Julie - its your forum! Don't apologis e- we all need to offload! Glad you got another script - long may it help! I also dread to think of life without it - although the sleep has been very slow to respond I think now it is slightly better alraedy and seems to be moving in the right direction! Oh Pleeeeze I hope so!
Glad to hear from you hon! Just had  alovely weekend with gorgeous little grandaughters ---so sweet! Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on May 10, 2007, 10:31:49 AM
Hi lovely ladies - Just wanted to give a quick update....Yay!!! I think the new HRT IS working - I slept 8 hours last night - went to sleep easily and quickly and got back to sleep  quickly after a 2.30am wake up to pee! I could not believe it this morning when I woke up. It was easily as good as the night I have when I take a sleeping med and better than some. Normality is returning - I hope it continues - I will have to be careful to keep up the routines and not get complacent. I do feel so much better now - no symptoms, no anxiety - more energy and my old drive is returning. (I've been  on Climesse 2 mg for 2 weeks by the way) Its exactly 4 months to the day since this nightmare sleep problem started! I never thought I'd see this day dawn! Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: cathannabel on May 10, 2007, 01:20:23 PM
Yay, good news!! 
V. Pleased for you
love
Cath
xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Libby Babe on May 10, 2007, 01:50:55 PM
Hi Suzie :)
It's great news to hear that you had a good nights' sleep last night - it makes such a difference to the way you feel, doesn't it.  I feel very much like I am sleeping just like I used to and I put all this down to the HRT - it's amazing to think that a little tablet can make such a difference.  I still wake up and go to the loo but like you said, go straight back to sleep without even having to think about it.
Hope it continues for you,
Love Libby
x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on May 10, 2007, 06:51:41 PM
Hi Sue thats brilliant!Amazing eh!Hope it keeps up..sure it will.And Libby,great for you too!This thread has so many replies I think it must be the most awful symptom or one of the most awful.I know you have had a dreadful time Sue!Hopefully DR Currie will get a lot of info from this that will help other women. :ola:Julie x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on May 10, 2007, 09:43:53 PM
Thanks girls - Libby, Cath and Julie - lovely menosisters! I can;t thank you enough for the support and care - its been amazing and such a life saver. Yes hopefully our experiences and solutions will help other desperate ladies. You are so right Julie - sleep deprivation is the worst! Its been 4 months of sheer hell and I feel lucky to have improvement so relatively soon - some women go years with this! I laughed out loud when talking to the private healthcare company we get through my husbands job - when I was negotiating to see the meno specialist ( who seems to have come up trumps I must say with this HRT!) They said I was not covered to see her just for menopause symptoms like insomnia because the menopause is not considered a medical problem!!! I wish they could read some of the heartbreaking posts on this site - the gruelling desperate things so many women are suffering, with their lives , jobs, relationships so horribly affected - then say they do not recognise it as serious - or a medical problem. |Thank you all who have offered loving support, advice and empathy - aren't women wonderful!? Off to try another night of good sleep hopefully! Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on May 12, 2007, 03:38:38 PM
Just to say its been 3 nights in a row now and each had been better and better - I am sleeping well, deeper, not waking up hardly at all and getting off to sleep more easily and quite soon after I lie down - its a miracle! I amm off to an evening wedding now and i feel great having slept well last night and am not worrying about how I'll cope with a late night. I can see me going off on holiday at the end of this month now! I was so worried about it and was sure I'd have to take sleeping tablets - not now! Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on May 16, 2007, 10:26:28 PM
HI lovely ladies - its been a week now and still going strong on the good sleep. I am now daring to hope its a fix and I'm OK again! I told my lovely lady GP today on my check up visit and she was so delighted - she was grinning from ear to ear! She knows what I've been through and has tried so hard to help me ...bless her. Off to bed now -a moment which I  now enjoy again! Love sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on May 17, 2007, 06:29:32 AM
Hi SuzieQ  - just wondered how the sleep was going and, if you don't mind me asking, did you stop taking the amitrip when you started HRT or are you taking both?  :sunny:

Love Taz x  :bounce:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on May 17, 2007, 10:01:05 PM
HI Taz - see the post above yours - the sleep is still good and getting better each night, I think. I would say I'm back to normal except it still takes a bit longer to get to sleep than it did , but its a million times better then its been this past 4 months. Yes I still take the amitrip - GP saidto keep on with that for a while as it is helps the anxiety so much but with no side effects. I take 20mg.
Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on May 19, 2007, 06:04:22 PM
Sue just wanted to say I'm over the moon for you!Brilliant eh?I think you were beginning to despair of ever getting sorted.Great!Julie xxx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on May 21, 2007, 02:33:13 PM
Hello Julie - Thank you honey - its good to hear from you again. Yes I am thrilled with the progress on my sleep...I think it has to be the HRT that has made all the difference. Its just funny that the patches didn't work for me when they did before...still this Climesse has really done the trick. Last few nights we were away staying in our flat in Chichester( we bought it at Christmas to be near our granchildren and our 2 kids) and its the best time I've has there- I was falling asleep as soon as my head hit the pillow! Now I'm sleeping for England! But yes - I was despairing of ever getting over it as they were the longest 4 months of hell. Hope you are still doing well and things going smoothly for you and yours. Thank sfor your encouragement Love Sue x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on May 22, 2007, 05:27:05 PM
Hi SuzieQ - I'm so glad that you are sleeping so well now. I'm not sure that it is the HRT though - I feel that it may have something to do with it but the main reason could well be the Amitryp as it is given to promote sleep and when I took it the effect, after a week or so, was absolutely wonderful! For the first time in years I would put my head on the pillow, close my eyes and WOW it was morning! I would still be taking it now if it hadnt had bad side effects for me.

Happy sleeping.

Love Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: cathannabel on May 22, 2007, 06:30:58 PM
I agree, I do feel the ami has had a dramatic effect for me.  My husband has noticed - its always him now that wakes up first on a Sunday and has to go and get a cup of tea!  I doze off more easily, wake in the night hardly at all, and feel kind of heavy and drifty when I used to be restless and twitchy!  I'm not on HRT so can't compare, but the ami has been miraculous and no side effects so far...
So who knows SuzieQ but whatever it is, its working and that's great, I'm really pleased for you!
love
Cath
xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on May 23, 2007, 10:49:05 PM
Hi Taz and Cath
Well its interesting - Ive been on the ami for 2 months now and it has never made any difference in all that time - I never even felt sleepy from it. I was still sleeping very poorly - but I know it made a difference for Cath from day 1. I still think its the HRT which has changed my sleep pattern - anyway I will stop the ami soon, but not the hRT so that will be the decider! If it does affect my sleep stopping it I will go back to it! Anyway still Loving bedtime and my lovely sleep! Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on July 03, 2007, 08:52:20 AM
Hello everyone! Just an update re the 3 posts above this one. Its now early July - been off the ami for a few weeks, but still on HRT only. Still sleeping really well in every situation ( even on hols in new beds) so I'm sure it ha sbeen that thats helped so much. I was concerned anxiety may re-appear when I stopped the ami, but I cut it down slowly and have had no ill effects at all. I think the anxiety all came from not sleeping. I am back to my old self with a zest for life again, sense of humour restored and lots of energy. A few aches is about all I have to put up with - yippee! Love sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on July 03, 2007, 11:00:11 AM
Hi Sue - thanks you for an uplifting and helpful post  :) :)

I am so pleased that you are sleeping well, even though you are off the Ami, and this bears out what I have felt since my hot sweats stopped due to the build up to a period (see Hot flushes stopped and life began again thread) With the stopping of the sweats and flushes came better sleeping and a total end to anxiety attacks which, though I had still managed to go places, meant that I spent the whole time just wishing that it was time to go home again.  :o >:( :( :'(

I am hoping that should things return to that same dreadful level of not really living just getting through each day - then HRT may help me too. Will have to do a bit of  :beat: :beat: :beat: :argue: with the GP first but it will be worth it to be "me" again.

I am so pleased for you Sue   :hug: :hug: :hug:

Love Taz x  :bounce:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Libby Babe on July 05, 2007, 12:09:44 PM
On the subject of sleeping, or not sleeping as the case may be, I thought I would tell you all that I slept last night from 11 last night until 6.30 this morning and I only woke up, very briefly, at 5.30, needed to pee but didn't get up as I was too tired, went straight back to sleep again until 6.30.  I can't remember when I last slept so well and I have no idea why I did last night.  I had 3 glasses of wine before I went to bed, (which obviously I don't do every night!) and that was me until this morning. :o

I have been sleeping so badly this last week or so that I have started dreading going to bed because I have been so hot and so uncomfortable so this has come as a complete surprise and a very welcome change.

This must have done me good because I have just spent all morning giving my daughters room a good tidy up and a clean, something I haven't had the energy to do for weeks now.  No doubt I will regret it later but what the heck - it's a job that really needed doing.

Off to have some lunch now - I am starving!

Libby
x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on July 06, 2007, 07:46:25 AM
Dear Libby and Taz - thanks for posting back. Yes I think the sleeping thing is a massive issue for us and has a terrible effect on health, well being and positive outlook. So glad for you  that you have had a good night Libby - it shows you can sleep! Maybe the wine helped you relax! Taz I'm really glad your flushes and sweats have stopped - it does make such a difference to the night . I am convinced that this new hRT I am on is what has made the difference as i tried absolutely everything from lavender to hynotherapy before and nothing worked. I saw my GP yeasterday fora check up and my BP was text book, weight is coming off again ( after a period of stalling in the first 2 months on the hRt) We have decoded that after another 3 months I will try to cut down again and maybe go back to the very low patches which worked fine before i stopped altogether and triggered this bout of insomnia.
You girls and others on this site have been such a support - its been a real Godsend. I told my GP to recommend it to all her meno patients! Hang in there girls - sounds like you are doing great! Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Alison62 on July 09, 2007, 06:03:10 PM
I cut out all caffeine but still had sleepless nights with the sweats and took me ages to get back to sleep. Then I started taking kalms and they are so good found I can get a better sleep still waken up about once but get more sleep now.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on July 10, 2007, 06:49:20 AM
Hi Alison - nice to "meet" you! I am so glad you have found something which works for you. A lot of women have a good effect with Kalms - both at night and to help with anxiety during the day. Its so important to get good sleep - you can cope so much better then. I personally think the loss of sleep is one of the worst meno symptoms - and when it becomes full blown insomnia ( as it sometimes does) it is crippling. So great! its really good to hear you are geeting a better night again. Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Scorpio on August 03, 2007, 09:29:18 PM
Recently I have been coping in the day with hardly any flushing problems, but at night time I have had hot flushes, well more like dripping. I wear cotton material in bed and  have a sheet under a light duvet, so I can just have the sheet over me if need be. Most nights I have thrown the covers off (hubs has his side tucked up to his ears) Lately I have tossed and turned and even sprayed myself with the magicool spray in the middle of the night to cool down. During the day I have no energy and often fall asleep in the evening. Oh to have a good sound sleep, would be bliss! Some evenings I have a glass of wine which helps me to unwind and does help me to sleep.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sarah bird on August 04, 2007, 11:09:54 AM
Hi Scorpio, sorry to hear you are not sleeping too well :(  just wanted to pass on a little tip I've mentioned before...

If you sleep on a great big soft towel it really helps to soak up all that dripping . You will still get hot but I found actually it was more the feeling of being SOOO wet that woke me and also stopped me from getting back to sleep. You can use the towel to mop yourself with and then of its too soggy just get rid of it to reveal a nice dry sheet underneath   :)  If this happens a few times just keep a spare towel by the bed to replace the soggy one .

Sorry if this sounds a bit daft but I found it helped  when I had the most horrendous night sweats . Thankfully they do seem to have become less troublesome lately so thats great ..still have the b****y hot flushes during the day though  :hotflash:

love ,a rather steamy Sarah b x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Scorpio on August 05, 2007, 08:54:13 AM
Hi Sarah Bird, Thank you for your tip I will try that. Last night wasn't so bad, only woke up once! Someone else mentioned Kalms, I have tried those in the day before now when I had a very stressful job, so maybe that might help too. Will definately try the towel though. Thank you.
Scorpio
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Libby Babe on August 08, 2007, 07:24:28 PM
Just wanted to mention that while I was away on holiday (14 nights in total) I only had 3 good nights' sleep - I slept much worse than I do at home.  This is my first year in the caravan with the hot flushes and it was not pleasant I can tell you!  It is not something I want to do again for a while - I really need some sleep. ::)
Libby
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: casper on August 08, 2007, 10:06:58 PM
Hi Everyone,
On the subject of poor sleeping does anyone have weird dreams when they do finally get off to sleep? I mention this because I used to have no problem sleeping but in the last year or so I am finding it easy to get off to sleep (go to bed about 12ish) but then wake up around 1.30 drop off again about an hour later, untill about 4am and this pattern continues untill I  get up around 8.30 am. A week before I start a period I have great difficulty sleeping at all (this usually gives me a clue to WHEN my now usually erratic periods are going to start!) as I get night sweats >:(
The dreams I am now getting can be really odd those darn ones you remember vividly when you wake up and forget 10 minutes later :( Mind you I do remember the one I had this morning (that prompted me to write this) because I was dreaming I was pregnant again and woke up with the distinct feeling of a baby kicking (prehaps it was just wind!) but I really dont want to sleep tonight and dream that one again, gets a bit of a worry when you are nearing 48 and can only just about cope with the grandchildren ;D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on August 13, 2007, 01:02:25 PM
Hi everyone _thought i'd better put a post on here too as this is the correct part of the forum for these things really! I have been experienceing a few sleep problems again even though I've been fine for months and my HRT seems to be working in every other way. Just this past week or 2 really its gone a bit haywire, but nothing like as bad as last time when I hardly slept at all. As some-one once said it was "like some-one switched my sleep button off" This past week or so its just great difficulty falling asleep much before 2 or 3 but then sleeping ok til morning. Last night I did have to take half a sleeping tablet at 1.30 am as I was so exhausted. I ve been having some wierd dreams too. I was wondering if it was caused initially by chocolate - by reflexology which sometimes sensitises me - by overwork and stress but now I wonder if it could be a hormone fluctuation of my own ( despite the HRT) which would equate to a pre-menstrual  state if I wasn't on a continuous no-bleed HRT.  If anyone has any suggestions I would be interested. I decided last night to start taking my HRT at night instead of in teh morning to see if that helps. Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: newstart on August 15, 2007, 11:15:15 AM
Hi Suzie Q

The thing that has helped me to sleep is Valerian root.  I got it from Holland and Barrett.  It's in capsule form and the directions say to take one or two.  The first time I did take two - I could hardly get out of bed the next day and felt slightly hung over till lunchtime.  After that I took only one capsule and made it into a tea will some hot water.  It's bl ....y marvellous! 

I think that Valerian is probably one of the ingredients in Kalms which I have also taken during the day - they work at calming me down, but leave me feeling a bit disassociated from what's going on - which is a bit of a disdvantage with my work.

Good luck with fnding something that works for you,

Patricia
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on August 15, 2007, 07:59:22 PM
HI Patricia - Thanks for the suggestion - I am always so amazed on this wonderful forum that ladies are so generous with their time, trying to help each other. I did try all the herbal stuff last time i had this and I seem to react quite badly to valerian - it makes me feel weird and a bit hyper in fact - the oppsoite of what you'd think! I am taking a small dose of amitryptiline at bedtime again on the GP's advice as  it is supposed to have the side effect of making you drowsy ( its a mild antidepressant but in small doses is used to help sleep problems) It just relaxes me but does not make me drowsy at all! I must just be wired up different to most people. I am just trying to do all the good sleep hygeine things and also I find wearing a blackout mask helps a bit. The only thing that works for sure is a half mild sleeping pill  ( zopiclone) but thats only in extreme need! I just hope this will right itself in a few days. Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Squirrel on August 16, 2007, 08:49:08 AM
Sue

Just wondered about the zopiclone, if you are starting, stopping, starting etc maybe this is not a good idea?
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on August 16, 2007, 09:58:42 AM
Hi Sleepless - I forgot I changed a while ago but not taken any recently - its actually zolpidem ( ambien in USA) and its only for short term use. My GP tells me to take one ( or half which I do) only when really needed. I've never taken it for more than 3 nights - I do find it harder to sleep the next night but it only stays in the system for 12 hours max and there is supposed to be no rebound if you take it as I said. I would much rather not take it at all but sometimes I just NEED the sleep. Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on August 16, 2007, 10:29:12 AM
I too have to resort to zopiclone at least once a week, when my sweats are really bad, as i cannot function without sleep after about 5-6nights, on bad  nights i get 12 sweats in 8hrs, and just feel exhausted, but with the tab get about 3!..i  have never had any side effects, in fact i feel so much better, having had some unbroken sleep.  Also it does not effect my sleep when sweats finally calm down a bit, but as mentioned its not a pill i like to take.. Thxs for mentioning valerena Pat, i will give that a try made up as a tea...As for weird dreams i get them a lot, and sometimes they do wake me as well :'(  Still the meno cannot last forever girls, or so i am told :-\
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: NineLivesBurra on August 16, 2007, 01:43:41 PM
I haven't slept well for as long as I remember due to many reasons, not the least of which is that I seme to function better at night time. I can have a nap in the day time and work fine at night and when I was working I worked nights as often as I could because I did my best work then.

I now take Mirtazepine as I experienced some severe depression along the with other menopause symptoms and although it doesn't make me sleep, it does make me drowsy, not enough to get off to sleep though. I don't stay asleep well either, I wake up frequently due to the pain in my joints due to arthritis.

I use Kalms or valerian as well as lavendar oil. This last I put onto my pillow and occasionally, if I'm really bad, I'll put a few drops around my nostrils, directly onto my skin. Luckily this is one of the few things I do not react to.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on August 16, 2007, 05:23:51 PM
Dear Ninelives - Thank you for your helpful post. I have not tried the lavender oil these past days when The problem re-occured - will try that agian. I find that if I am at least drowsy and very relaxed I may "drift and doze" as I call it  and that is at least restful. I concentrate on not so much getting to sleep as leaving go of consciousness and that helps a lot Love Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Elliexx on September 05, 2007, 02:55:52 PM
I have disturbed sleep.
I read if I wake.
I have never read so many books. ::)

It is getting better.

I also have bad dreams.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Sparkly on September 09, 2007, 08:16:51 AM
Hi Everyone,
                 I don't get flushes but I do seem to suffer from feeling uncomfortably hot at night. I used to feel the cold so I feel this is a change. Back in the old days we bought a his & hers duvet, 10tog for him and 13tog for me! Recently this has become unbearable and I spend a lot of my time either throwing it off or using a sheet. Yesterday we bought a 4.5 tog duvet, bliss, what a relief!
Karen
x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: amandahh on September 30, 2007, 08:59:51 PM
Hello, I am not sleeping at all well I take a natural herbal capsule but am a light sleeper I am so exhausted in the day. I have to care for Hugh, my disabled Hubby which doesnt help me at all at times. I feel as though I will run out of steam. I find it difficult to relax as well . Regards Amandahh
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: KAT on October 02, 2007, 08:57:02 PM
Sleep is in black and white for me.  If I'm contented with life I sleep like a baby but if I'm anxious or stressed its hopeless.

Kat
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: juju on October 10, 2007, 10:02:53 PM
I still do not sleep well or for any length of time,sometimes only 2 hours.But I do try to relax and rest my body.It always seems worse in the shorter days as it is such a long time to wait for daylight.Usually I think I do ok on it because I am not usually tired in the day....unless I sit down!though this last week or so I notice I have bags under my eyes.I think I have tried everything.I am on hrt and before that I had sweats.I still get hot but thats not what its about.I just think me and sleep have never really got on!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cazikins on October 10, 2007, 10:59:51 PM
I suppose I average on about 5 - 6 hours sleep a night & that is with HRT - before HRT about 4 - 5 hours. Not much differnce but enough, however I still have to have a nap in the evening after dinner, only about an hour in bed but that is how I cope.
Weekends I could sleep for England, no work to get up for, housework will get done as & when - I just have to have a lay in on Saturdays & Sundays.
I am not looking forward to the clocks changing as I hate getting up in the morning for work & it still being dark - I just love my bed too much on a cold winters day.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Numpty on October 14, 2007, 04:52:08 PM
Hi, am totally new to this both the menopause matters forum and actually posting a comment.  I have been suffering with TATT for about 4 years now.  Have been checked for iron, MS, ME and various other things but nothing found.  When I mentioned menopause, I was told that I was not even perimenopausal.  Then last year, 2006, I was told that yes, I am now going through the menopause.  I coped with a lot of crap in my life, single parenthood, chronic sinusitus, acute asthmatic, over worked and underpaid and managed it all with a smile on my face.  The one thing I couldn't cope with, and still have not got right, is this blasted feeling of being tired all the time.  How is a normal woman supposed to cope with this constant feeling of tiredness?  The women I speak with, all report the same thing.  oh, it's just something you get used to.  Well, I'm sorry, I've got used to asthma, I've got used to not having any sense of smell or taste because of chronic sinusitus, I've accepted the fact that as I'm not particularly ambitious and am pretty much a nice person, that I will probably continue to be a "lowly paid" administrator BUT I HAVE MY LIMITS and being TIRED ALL THE TIME is above and beyond my limit.  It's not poor sleeping, I could doze off quite happily at any moment of the day. It probably is because my sleep is not the good heavy sleep but the light sporadic sleeping that includes several night toilet trips and tossing and turning to find the cool spot.  :-\ But at this moment in time, I totally blame those blasted feminists!  Without them, I'd be kid free, tied to the house all day and blistfully ASLEEP!!

Yours snoozily
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on October 15, 2007, 11:55:02 AM
Hi I have not posted for a while ( just manically busy since the start of term and now its nearly half-term!) I have posted extensively on this forum about my sleep difficulties, but what I would now say is that I agree with Juju and Cazikins. We just don't sleep as well - even with HRT- as we did and sleep is a lighter, less restful thing than it used to be and much more prone to being upset by many factors ( like stress, temperature, etc as Kat says) My problem has always been falling sleep easily and quickly, so you have to work on strategies to help that but also be patient and learn to lie awake just resting as Juju says. If you have had all tests done and there seems no obvious reason for TATT symptoms like anaemia say, then maybe you don't get enough just rest and "off"time . Easier said than done, I know! Sorry - its a big subject to most of us menosisters and seems no easy answers. I have spent most of this year chasing solutions and now I just try to enjoy life on the sleep I get and not stress about the sleep I miss. but thats different to chronic tiredness so I would keep on trying to find what can help you. Hav eyou thought of acupuncture - or relexology. If you can afford a trial session it might help, who knows?
Love and sympathy Sue
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: cj on October 17, 2007, 02:34:13 PM
Hello, I am new to the forum.  I decided to join because I have been suffering various menopause related symptoms for a year or so now.  My husband really doesn't want to hear anything about it, nor does my teenage daughter, which is fair enough, I suppose.  I don't want to become a boring middle-aged woman who moans about her ailments all the time, so I thought the forum would be a good chance to get it off my chest!  I haven't slept well since I had my son nearly 20 years ago.  He was a terrible sleeper.  I can no longer blame young children for keeping me awake - I usually go to sleep very quickly but am woken several times by hot flushes (I swear you could use my body to BBQ something - it feels like it is giving off so much heat) - sometimes I cannot get back to sleep because my mind is over-active and often I wake around 5 a.m. and cannot get back to sleep.  I regularly get up feeling dreadful but have learnt that I can function reasonably normally throughout the day if I force myself to carry on.  When you have a job, you just have to really.  I only work part-time but recently turned down a very well-paid job because I just knew I wouldn't cope with it.  I thought if I worked less hours, I might feel better.  I possibly do feel a bit less tired/stressed but am also a lot poorer!  I do worry about my safety on the road when I have had a bad night. I try really hard not to feel angry about it and just to resign myself to it - it is such a bonus when I do get a good sleep.  I feel I have become rather reclusive as a result of all this.  I rarely initiate social outings anymore and hesitate to accept invitations, especially in the evening, because I just feel too tired.  I do sometimes make myself do things but find that if I go out in the evening, I usually sleep really badly, so I know the next day will be wasted completely. I take loads of supplements (which my family laugh about) but I do think they help - fish oil, starflower, vit B complex, calcium, magnesium, agnus castus and black cohosh .... probably others, but I've forgotten!  At bedtime, I take valerian, which I have taken for years.  I find it works well but I know some people say it has the opposite effect.  The make I usually get is Medic-Herb Valerina, which is quite strong.  Sometimes I try to cut down but then find I sleep so badly, that I go straight back to the maximum dose.  I have recently, reluctantly, given up (almost!) drinking wine, especially red, which seem to really aggravate the problem and the night sweats - not that I ever drunk huge quantities.  I still treat myself to a glass of beer, but wonder whether I wouldn't feel better if I gave that up too!  I read somewhere recently that getting older is all about giving things up.  I have had to give up eating quite a lot of things I used to enjoy due to digestive problems (oh, yes, I also take a peppermint capsule at bedtime).  Boring, isn't it? But I thought at least you'll all understand!  Good luck with the quest for a reasonable night's sleep.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tangos Inn on October 17, 2007, 05:19:57 PM
Hi, I'm New and only 43 but my family has a history of early menopause at my age Im quite late to the rest of them

I have been flicking about and reading several subjects, and I'm finding all this very interesting.

My story starts (aprox 5 years) several years ago (and I'll try to keep it short & sweet) when I was on the Depo Pavara birth control injection.

This injection caused me no end of grief, I have found out since that you are only supposed to take it for about 1 year and I was prescribed it for 5. The injection caused me to be very ill for about 2 years of which I think I am still recovering. Symptoms included both joint & muscle pain, very severe food allegies, disturbed sleep and also depression & anxiety.  My GP just wanted to give me anti depresants and presciped 3 different lots which did not work just making me worse and turning me into a zombie.

Over the last 12 months I have been much better and finaly feeling more like myself - however my periods have been very irratic during this time(usually for aprox 3 heavy days followed by a week of spotting every 2 weeks) this is tiresome enough, but I thought that I was just having to wait for my body to get back to normal.

I have now over the last 3 months noticed that  2-3 days before I have my period I have several nights of really disturbed sleep combined with what I can only discribe as dithering sweats (where I am red hot and sweating but then going cold ) once my period has started this dies down.

I am now wondering if this is the start of the long road you all seem to be talking about. (menopause)

Due to the food allegies I cannot have chocolate or mainly caffine (although I will somtimes indulge) and I dont eat anything that is prepackeged only fresh. I take several vitamin supliments and usually Valariian Root has usually worked to help me with the sleeping although it doesnt cure it. (all in all I havent slept properly for over 5 years.

Because my symptoms are not as severe and only seem to happen once a month around my period can anyone tell me if this may be the start of the menopause???  the last 3 months weren't that bad but this month was a bonzer and I have been in bed off work for 3 days also being very emotional and extremely tired.

I have just been to the GP's to see if I can get a test done and after 2 visits and a full wasted day today I managed to get through the Spinxter Police at the reception to see the nurse only to be told I have to make an appointment to see the doctor and she cant deal with it as she only deals with the WELL WOMAN CLINIC - so what is that for then I ask myself???

So  now I am just waiting to see if this happens again next month

Anybody got anyclues??

Thanks
Tina
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: botoxqueen on October 17, 2007, 10:38:41 PM
Hi Tangos Inn

I'm 43 too and just been told that I'm going through an early menopause

I've not been sleeping well lately and that is unusual for me, and I've been having these terrible hot flushes, much to the annoyance of my colleagues at work when I switch on the air con LOL

Both my mother and my grandmother started their menopause freakily early - mum at 32 - gran at 29, so it realy was on the cards for me

I had a Mirena coil fitted a couple of years ago to help with heavy periods, but they stopped completely at the end of March, and I assumed the coil had done this - now I'm not so sure

I went to my GP to ask about all this, and he sent me for a simple blood test, for hormone check, thyroid and blood count

My blood count is the hightest it's been in years, as I used to tend to be a bit anaemic and now it's great- no periods I guess helped that, thyroid was fine, but my hormones are shot!

I was told that the coil will slightly raise the hormone levels, but mine are through the roof and I was told I'm definitely going through an early menopause

I was distraught and felt very old and depressed, even though I probably guessed that was what it was, I still reacted quite badly to hearing it officially

My sleeping is very bad, and without Nytol - I dont sleep for more than an hour or two.  I've ordered some melatonin capsules that are supposed to help, but the postal strikes have delayed my order!

My hot flushes are a pain, and I was recommended to take sage extract.  I have been, only for a few days now, but no difference so far, oh well at least my central heating bills will be low this year

Hopefully your GP will arrange a similar blood test for you to answer your questions

I've not discussed HRT yet, I've been advised to try the non-drug method first, so will give that a go, but if I don't get the relief - I will hit the drugs

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: soo on October 18, 2007, 04:45:53 PM
Having read most of the comments here, I'm interested in how you all (or most of you anyway) cut back on the caffiene.  Being a big coffee drinker, I can't possibly imagine my life without having a cup/mug in hand.  So my question is can I still get my coffee hit if I switch to de-caf?  Is that acceptable or is it really all or nothing?
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tangos Inn on October 19, 2007, 04:47:33 PM
Hi
Thanks for your replies, due to what I have been through with the depo injection I want if I can to miss the hrt. At the moment my symptoms are pretty mild and only around the time of my irratic periods so Im going to wait to see if it happens agin on the next one.

Due to the injection I havent slept properly for the last 5 years so Im well used to that - I justcould work out if it was menopause, a viral infection of some sort or wether I was about to kick the bucket as this week has been horrendous.

If it is the same next time I will pay my GP another vist.

To SOO - just to let you know if your not aware

Although it says decaf on the lable there is still apros 3% caffine in it- one of my allegies is to caffine and I will on occasion have a decaf coffe or cappachino, although rarely and never after lunch, however Iam very sensitive to it and I would not sleep at all it makes me hyperactive and gives me heart palpitations. Caffine can also make you depressed as the more you drink the more your body wants - when you drink it it gives you a boost then drops you further down than you started.  I would recomend that if you do decide to cut it out dont go cold turkey cut down gradually otherwise you will suffer very extreme withdrawal symptoms.

A standard cup has about 50% and tea about 35% I dont know about the chocolate % but i belive it is pretty high.

About 2 years ago I had a caffine overdose and went from drinking aprox 6-8 cups a day along with red bull with lunch and if we went out on an evenng I used to drink Tia Maria & coke all of which are full to the brim of caffine - I just went into melt down very moody depressed crying no sleep and panic attacks all due to the stuff - so do be carefull.

Also all flu and cold medicnes and some headache tabs have caffine in   

To BOTOX QUEEN

Please let us know how the melatonin tabs go
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: jeni on November 04, 2007, 04:42:47 AM
My husband commented yesterday that our first conversation in the morning is about how we have slept the previous night.  It's either him who has a bad night or myself.  Sometimes I sleep very superficially, feeling as if at any time I will fall asleep, but it eludes me, other times, I'll get into a pattern of waking up at odd hours (eg 3.45 as this weekend).  When that happens, sometimes, I'll lie in bed, other times, it's easier to get up and get on the computer or read for an hour or so, then hope to get some sleep.  I have taken herbal sleeping tablets and occasionally have had a sleeping tablet from friends.  I generally work on the theory that when I'm eventually so tired I am asleep on my feet, I'll sleep.  I have had raises in body temperature at night for a long time; usually taking the duvet off for a couple of minutes cools me down enough to be comfortable again; I haven't experienced damp night sweats though, fortunately.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Lynjane on November 09, 2007, 04:22:40 PM
I too am experienceing sleep problems. I've tried Kalms, Night Nurse and various other homeopathic sleep inducers - all of which had no effect whatsoever :-\  I also find that the night flushes shock  :o me into life again just as I'm dropping off to sleep, it takes ages to settle again and then the whole process starts over - its just soooooo exhausting :'(  I also believe that part of the problem is worrying about the effects of tiredness, and of course the detrimental effects on your relationship sleep or sex wise.  But its a continuing cirlce which I can't seem to break, so I have been taking Zolpidan (sp?) for some 12 months or so, and I also make 28 tabs last about 4 or 5 months - 'cos my Doc wont give me any more!!!  They're not ideal and I try only to take them when I get desparate :-\  I'm 56 and have had no periods for 3 years/meno-symptoms for 5 years, how much longer is this likely to go on, because my hubs is just waiting for this 'horrible demon woman' to go away and send back the loving, sexy wife he only married just over 3 years ago!!! :'(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: amandahh on December 20, 2007, 05:32:50 PM
 :)Hello, I am amandahh and I am in this months magazine !! I would like to say that My sleeping is awful but I guess its all part of this awful cycle. I am a born worry guts and my brain must be on over time it will not switch off and so when i wake in the morning I am a tierd miserable old ..... !! Well here is wish ing you all a Happy christmas Regards Amandahh
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CONFUSED.COM on January 16, 2008, 01:02:11 PM
I tried everything for sleep, valerian, lavender, sleeping tabs from dog worked, but thats not a long term solution. I used to find it hard to get to sleep, and then would wake at 2, 3pm and that would be me.   I would recommend hypnotherapy.   It has worked for me.   Its not cheap, £45 a session, took about 4 sessions to start, and I do have to go back every now and again for a 'sticking plaster' session, my hypnotherapist calls it, but it does the trick.    I have a self-hypnosis routine I use before I sleep, and it works, and I dont wake in the night like I used to.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tanny on January 21, 2008, 08:57:56 AM
My sleep problems started a few years back when hubby was working away, I used to wake up a couple of times a night and at every little noise.  When he came back home I would sleep right through.  Then I started waking up again though, feeling very hot, would kick of the covers then disturb him and he would feel cold.   Then the sweats seemed to calm down again and I returned to a sort of normal sleep pattern.  Then a few months ago I had back pain which kept me awake as I couldn't turn over and move as normal, I would wake up, then couldn't get back to sleep as hubby was snoring.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on January 22, 2008, 08:22:16 PM
Hi Confused.com - have just read your post and realised that you have not been welcomed to the forum/menomadhouse so  :welcomemm: from me.

Thanks for the info re hypnotherapy. It is not something I have tried and now that I am on HRT my sleep pattern is much better but I will bear it in mind should I go back to being awake more than asleep. 

Someone else will be along soon no doubt to welcome you but if you are missed then start a new topic introducing yourself.

Look forward to hearing more from you.

Love Taz x  :bounce:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Micki on January 22, 2008, 09:22:38 PM
Hi Confused.com

 :welcomemm:  from me too. 

I have had patches where I wake repeatedly during the night and had never thought of using self-hypnosis technique to stay asleep (I never have a problem actually going to sleep and would only have though of it for this)  so thanks for that suggestion.

Michelle x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on January 23, 2008, 03:48:42 PM
I have had to resort to sleeping tabs twice in 8 days, as i am so tired from sweats every 40 mins, getting no depth of sleep at all, and having to get out of bed in the cold to cool off, makes my joints ache, which adds to the misery.. :(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tanny on January 28, 2008, 07:39:27 AM
I am also not sleeping well at the moment, am getting so hot and waking up several times a night.  Makes me so tired the next day and it gets to be a viscious circle, in that I am now regularly going to bed/sleep earlier, waking up in the night, still do wake up at usual time but do feel tired.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sarah bird on January 28, 2008, 03:22:35 PM
Hi Ladies,

Just wanted to tell you about something which might help that I don't think has been mentioned before.

Vitamin E and vitamin C

These are taken seperately. I believe studies have shown that vitamin E can help to reduce night sweats.

Not sure about the vitamin C ...can only say that since taking these my horrendous night sweats have calmed down considerably.

Also I did find that not eating a large meal within 3hrs of going to bed also made a difference.

Must add that having tried just about everything except HRT with varying success I am generally quite skeptical about "remedies" and do sometimes wonder if things would have improved anyway given the erratic nature of of our symptoms !


The advice about the vitamins comes from an excellent book by Marilyn Glenville called " The New Natural Alternatives to HRT"

Oh and on a hopeful note I DO think I am actually starting to feel better  :ola:

I should b****y hope so after more than 6 yrs of this nightmare !

love to all and keep your chins up

Sarah b xx

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: jeni on March 04, 2008, 07:15:07 AM
 ::)  Do you think there is a link between what you eat in the evening and at what time and thus a night of sweats?  Wondering because our evening meal time has slipped to slightly later and I have had more heated nights, but that could just be my age.   ;D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: newstart on March 04, 2008, 09:22:32 AM
Hi EB

Yes - I think there is a link - and I'm sure there's been lots written about this before.  In my experience, spicey food and red meat seem to make night sweats worse, so does drinking alcohol of course, and eating late at night too.

Patricia
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sarah bird on March 04, 2008, 12:57:48 PM
Hi Elderberrywine,


Newstart is quite right, there have been previous postings on this....but anyway the gist of it is ,that its best not to eat a large meal within 3hrs of going to bed as this does indeed seem to make night sweats worse.

oops just noticed that I have said this  quite recently if you check back through this thread !

love Sarah b x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Sparkly on April 09, 2008, 08:14:34 PM
Hi Everyone,
                 Here is my method of coping with poor sleeping.....! Generally speaking I'm luckier than most but do seem to feel easily hot at night and don't sleep that brilliantly. On bad nights i have whipped my pyjama top off and carried on tossing and turning. The other night I woke up with my pyjama top on the floor and absolutely no memory of taking it off. OH insists it was nothing to do with him.
Love
Karen
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 09, 2008, 10:57:23 PM
Thanks for the tip Sparkly.... trouble is - I have never worn anything in bed  :safe: :worm:

Hope that you get a good night's sleep tonight

Love Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Kimfrayne on April 17, 2008, 05:15:59 PM
Hi,
found your web site a few weeks ago and found what you were all saying very interesting.

I thought you would like to hear my experiences.

I had a hysterectomy, but they left my ovaries 18mths ago, I also had a back and a front repair. The back repair failed and I had it done again 5 months ago. Since then I have suffered terrible hot sweats at night and started getting the occasional hot flush in the day.

Because of previous problems with my health I have been seeing a Kinesiologist for some time now. So back I went with my new symptoms.

A kinesiologst tests you as an individual and advises what herbs etc she thinks will work best for you and in what quantities.

She has me taking Star flower oil [Boots own], a tincture which contains sage and another that contains milk thistle. I also take vitamin E, and Eye Q [Omega 3 & 6], some kelp and a mulit vit which contains a probiotic. [The latter relate to previous problems I have had with my digestive system.]

And low and behold with days the night sweats - where they do exists are a former shadow of their former selves, the hot flushes in the day have all but disappeared and I am sleeping so much better.

However she has warned me, that there is a long way to go yet - I am 47 and this has probably been coming on for the last 12 to 18 months. She has told me that my body will be going through changes for sometime yet. She has advised me how to tweak what I am taking in order to cope with some changes, but that I may need to go back and be reassessed in the future as my body changes to test what it will need then.

Not cheap - but what price can you put on a good nights sleep?

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 22, 2008, 10:27:52 PM
Hi Kimframe - it seems as if nobody has welcomed you to the meno/madhouse so I am doing that now  :welcomemm:

Your post is very interesting - I'm not sure whether anyone else has mentioned kinesiology on here but I am pleased that it is working for you. Quite a few ladies on here have taken starflower oil and also the milkthistle and sage but, unfortunately, it seems as if the effect gradually wears off. However, from your post, it seems that there may be a way of "tweaking" the dosage.

I gave in to HRT in the end and must admit that I wish now I had started taking it at least a year earlier than I did as nothing else seemed to work. I am 54 and have been having meno symptoms for the past three years I think.

Great to hear from you and please keep posting.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: barking sands on May 26, 2008, 04:38:37 PM
Last year my chronic sinus problem worsened --ironically, the only time I could breathe freely was while I was exercising or during a hot flash. Someone on another topic was asking if there was any upside of menopause!

At any rate, between the night sweats and not being able to breathe, I was desperate for a good night's sleep. So every so often, I'd treat myself to an anti-histamine before going to bed. It never cleared up the congestion, but it did zonk me out. I'm sure I still had night sweats but either I slept through them or went back to sleep immediately.

It's not recommended to take them continuously (and they probably would lose effectiveness) but once a week, sure. The ones I took had Diphenhydramine (the anti-histamine) and Phenylephrine (nasal decongestant) in the tablets. The box warned about causing drowsiness. I took one in the afternoon once and fell asleep at my computer!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on May 27, 2008, 06:04:12 AM
That's a good tip barkingsands. The diphenhydramine is a sleeping tablet in it's own right so that is the reason why you slept so well. You can buy these without the decongestant component for nights when you are not "bunged" up   :) 

As you say it is good to have something that works for those times when you just have to have a nights sleep.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Sparkly on June 03, 2008, 04:13:04 AM
Just out of interest, what exactly is poor sleeping? Can it be defined? I come from a family of early risers so it's predictable that I am going to wake up early but I would just love it if I could sleep til 6am. Unless I am doing anything I will generally be in bed somewhere between 10 and 10.30 so I would say asleep by 11 but I am always waking around 5am. Obviously that is 6 hours so could be a lot worse but I just wish I could sleep til 6am!

Karen
x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on June 03, 2008, 06:06:36 AM
Hi Karen - it seems as if your own natural sleep-need is about 6 hours so, therefore, if you want to wake at 6 I would say don't go to bed until at least midnight. Give it a go and see what happens  :)

I seem to need about 5 hours at the moment. Poor sleeping for me is when I used wake up every half hour or so. I suffer from Fibromyalgia and one of the triggers for this is poor sleep. You need to have been asleep for an hour and a half before you get into "restorative" sleep - when your muscles etc are being repaired - so it stands to reason that if you wake up before the hour and a half you are not getting the benefits you should.

I think that, no matter how much you love your partner, sharing a bed has a lot to answer for in terms of disturbed sleep too  ::)

Love Taz
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: maureenl on June 06, 2008, 12:39:22 PM
After many years of night shift im still finding it very difficult to get into a sleep pattern...been on days for 5+ years now....any tips would be greatfully recieved
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Sparkly on June 23, 2008, 01:40:28 AM
Hi,
How do I cope with poor sleeping? Badly! I had a disturbed night last night when I was sleeping in at work so you'd think I'd drop off like a log tonight, not a chance. It's 2.35am and I haven't slept a wink. I'm sweating like crazy and I'll be going down the HRT route if this continues.

A big part of the problem is that life has to go on. My daughter has been in hospital with pneumonia and I have to be at her place at 8am to help her then back at work for 1pm til 5.30pm.

I've come down and put tv on and I'm going to pretend I don't even want to go to sleep and see if that works.

Love
Karen
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dippyitus on July 27, 2008, 10:12:57 PM
Get a warm chocolatey drink and that big fluffy fleecey blanket and curl up on the sofa with a soft lamp on and pick up hubbies fishing mag - works every time......
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: lillybee on August 03, 2008, 08:48:19 PM
I have had night sweats for 4 years. I find wearing a cotton nightie or pj's helps me as it absorbs the sweat. I use brushed cotton sheets for the same reason as other cotton just stays wet. In summer I lie on a big bath sheet and when I get really out I strip off and just lay on that. I hate being wet as that makes me shiver, it is a vicious circle. My GP gave me sleeping tablets and I take one when I am desperate. We are looking at air conditioning units at the minute but a bit bemused by the choices. Also I keep telling myself after 4 years it must be coming to an end soon, I live in hope   ::)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: psycho on August 13, 2008, 06:01:20 PM
Hi, I'm a newbie and I homed in on this thread because I have chronic sleep problems - which are now made worse by all this hormonal stuff!

Apologies if this has been mentioned before but has anyone here tried melatonin? I've tried practically everything - once my GP even prescribed "proper" sleeping pills (as opposed to the ones you can buy over the counter) and I only took one because the next day I was in zombie land, and quite honestly I'd rather have the insomnia. And I found that Nytol and herbal remedies worked but gave me really bad nightmares.

Anyway two or three years ago I "found" melatonin and it's great - no side effects, nothing. It's a chemical that we produce normally so it's quite safe, and it's not a tranquiliser which is why it doesn't leave you feeling hungover the next day - in fact, it's widely used for jet lag. The only drawback is that you can't buy it in the UK - but you CAN buy it (legally) on the internet.

Anyway, I'll stop banging on about it now in case anyone thinks I'm on commission or something! If you're interested to know more, I suggest Googling "melatonin" and reading up on it - this will also bring up a list of suppliers. Feel free to PM me if you want to know where I buy it from (again, I'm not on commission!).
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on August 14, 2008, 11:47:22 AM
Usually I accept that my meds give me busy, involved, active dreams and last night's was especially busy - apparently I was singing out loud  ;D - but this morning I feel extra tired with that "I can't stand this weariness anylonger" feeling  :'(  ........ I tried to have a lay-in but my mind kept dropping off to sleep then waking with a jolt, remembering what a busy day I should be having.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CrisMet on August 18, 2008, 08:09:35 AM
Hi

I've just joined this forum and was interested to read so many stories on poor sleeping.  I was on HRT till a couple of weeks ago - i weaned myself off because I was worried about long term effects.

Since then, though I can go to sleep OK, i have been waking up between 3 and 4 am and sometimes I can't get back to sleep at all. I should add i have to get up at 5.30 to go to work, so i am feeling exhausted most of the time. 

I've taken Nitol to go to sleep and while it does help me drift off, it doesnt stop the night sweats and waking up during the night.

Needless to say, I am feeling quite fed up!

Any suggestions???
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on August 18, 2008, 08:23:55 AM
Hi ChrisMet - welcome to the forum from me  :)

Trouble with sleeping and sweats were what drove me to HRT in the first place so I sympathise with how you are feeling but I'm afraid that I have not suggestions as HRT has been the only thing which has worked for me.

How long were you on HRT for and did you take quite a few months to wean off it as this can make a difference to how your body copes with the withdrawal.

Someone else will be along soon and you will find lots of support on here not to mention a few laughs along the way!

Love Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CrisMet on August 18, 2008, 08:43:59 AM
Hi Taz

Thanks for the welcome.  Yes, it is good to know that there are people out there that are going through the same and we need a good sense of humour to keep us going!!

I weaned myself off over a couple of months taking a pill every other day.  To be honest, i am so forgetful that I used to miss a few days at a time and that's what prompted me to try and give HRT back.  My GP suggested that I should try in the summer (obviously he's got a sense of humour!) as you tend to have less bedding/clothing and it makes night sweats easier. 

Got an appointment with a (female) GP soon so will discuss with her what I can do next ...

Cris
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: hotashell on August 18, 2008, 11:10:17 AM
For the last two weeks I have woken up every 45 minutes after going to bed. While I'm literally lying boiling with the duvet kicked off, my hubby is blue with the cold so opening a window is not an option. Every hour during the night I lie firstly sweating and then clammy, feeling cooler but bathed in my own sweat. The heat is unreal, it seems to well up from inside me. The perspiration is across my forehead, down my nose, across my upper lip and the back of my neck mostly. When the 'flush' has passed though my whole body is cool and damp. I have a fan by the bed and also an electric one by my desk in work. The daytime sweats aren't as bad as the night but they are as frequent. I'm 46 years old and in the 'high cancer risk' category so HRT is out of the question.
If I have 5-10 years of flushes ahead of me I think I'll go barking mad. My short term memory is appalling, for some reason my breasts have gone up a cup size???? and my hair is lifeless. I'm giong to try starflower to see if there's any improvement
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on August 18, 2008, 02:56:29 PM
 :welcomemm: Newbies!

If Hubby is cold why not buy him a smaller duvet all of his own ........ so he can tuck himself in beside you knowing that at least he will maintain an even temp all night?  In Denmark where the idea of duvets was 'born' every one has their own, even on a double bed.

I am SO pleased that I don't have sweats like these reports ........ I can put up with the vivid dreams except for the occasional mornings when the weariness gets me down .......
 :foryou:

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on August 18, 2008, 05:03:23 PM
Think sleep deprevasion is the worst part of meno for me, coping with everything else i feel would be better if i could just get a nights sleep..

Hope things get easier for you psycho... Love the nick name.. :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppins on August 19, 2008, 04:48:55 AM
I sooooooooooooo know what you mean thats why im on here at 5 in the morning!! ive been awake since 4am, would love to get on with some chores but will get moaned at for waking DH. Sleep seems to be no better even on hrt, although i have had a lot on my mind recently which hasnt helped at all.
love poppinsxx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CrisMet on August 19, 2008, 10:57:03 AM
Sounds like there is no answer to sleepless nights, eh - otherwise we wouldnt all be writing here ... :-\

Last night I tried a tea called "sleepy time tea".  Got it from Sainsbury's and it's a herbal tea to aid sleep.  I didnt wake up because i was hot - but my dreams woke me up!! ;D  I'm used to having weird dreams - have so many of them, I've often thought of writing a book ...

Will try something else tonight - maybe a large glass of wine????
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: DIPSY on August 19, 2008, 11:18:16 AM
Crismet, do you leave all the stimulants off after about 8pm, ie tea,coffee, if it is meno symptoms then just another thing we have to go through I suppose.  :-\   The hrt has helped me in that now the night sweats have eased off I get a better nights sleep, still feel tired in the day sometimes though, just our bodies way of saying slow down I suppose. I know it's another stimulant but maybe a large glass of wine would help you relax and drift off easier, I feel everything is worth a try. Love Dipsyxx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppins on August 19, 2008, 01:32:35 PM
 It was a really 'naughty ' dream that woke me better than real life :safe: :safe: ;D ;D Days been downhill since lol
poppins
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on August 19, 2008, 02:43:34 PM
 :wub:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tricia on August 19, 2008, 02:49:02 PM
HI to Hotashell & Chrismet  :welcomemm:

Welcome to the forum, as you will have found we are a good but nutty bunch of menochicks who are here to help each other through this period (pardon the pun)  ;D in our lives.

Love,

Tricia :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Micki on August 19, 2008, 09:07:51 PM
Poppins, maybe the after effects of the sedation  ;D
Hope your day got better this afternoon.

 :welcomemm:
to the Newbies

Michelle x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppins on August 20, 2008, 06:15:29 AM
Hi Micki
never thought of that, about the only good effect it had then ;D, cos i felt hungover most of yesterday.
poppins
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: DIPSY on August 20, 2008, 05:00:54 PM
Poppins naughty dreams much better than a nightmare, do  tell did it involve some gorgeous hunk  ;D ;D Love Dipsyxx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppins on August 20, 2008, 05:52:41 PM
oh yes, definately a gorgeous hunk--------------hubby ;D ;D ;D
didnt tell him tho,    shows he could improve on performance if he put his mind to it. :wub:
poppins
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: psycho on August 23, 2008, 11:30:17 AM
For the last two weeks I have woken up every 45 minutes after going to bed. While I'm literally lying boiling with the duvet kicked off, my hubby is blue with the cold so opening a window is not an option.

This is an odd suggestion but it worked for me in the recent spate of really hot weather a few weeks ago: fill a hot water bottle with cold water, put it in the fridge for an hour or two before bedtime and then lie in bed with your feet on it! I find if my feet are too hot or too cold, I can't sleep and for some reason my feet have a different thermostat setting to the rest of me! Cooling them down worked a treat and seemed to cool the rest of me at the same time.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tricia on August 23, 2008, 08:01:46 PM
Thanks Psycho, that sounds like a great idea......I think I might give it a try.....I also find that if my feet are hot then so am I and if I can keep my feet cool then I can get to sleep quite easily.

Love,

Tricia :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: supermum on August 24, 2008, 06:26:44 PM
I have been very down because of sleeplessness and hot flushes and night sweats, also major loss of libido. Over many years I tried testosterone implants which helped for a while and various HRT pills. I felt very depressed when talking kilofem and put on weight so I stopped and all my symptoms came back with a vengeance. I discussed all of this with the consultant at the hospital and am now on Livial and testosterone patches. I feel a lot better, my libido is better, I am sleeping with few wake ups and my hot flushes are non existent. I also have taken up on joga and always fall asleep in the relaxation part of the class!! When I have trouble sleeping I do some simple yoga exercises and find I can go to sleep. My family think this is funny as I may do the exercises in the bathroom, on the landing, in the dark but it seems to work. :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tricia on August 24, 2008, 10:42:28 PM
Hi Supermum  :welcomemm:

Welcome to our Menopause madhouse, we are a slightly mad group of chicks going through am exceptional period (pardon the oun ;D) in our lives, make yourself at home, have a good look round and join in whenever you feel like it.  There is always a shoulder to cry on or someone to give you support when you need it.

I was just laughing at your comment about yoga not that I am being horrid to you just that if I tried to do yoga I would end up having the whole house awake trying to get back out of some of the positions  ;D ;D ;D

Love,

Tricia :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: carrie on September 04, 2008, 02:37:24 PM
Welcome from me as well, supermum.

Regarding poor sleeping - I usually wake up a couple of times and am often awake by 4 or 5 in the morning. Night sweats are a small problem at the moment - not a major one.
More recently I have been waking up feeling stiff, with backache and hip pains and take a few minutes to get moving.

The thing is - I've started wondering if I need a new, softer mattress. I have just bought a really expensive one in the sales, and it will be delivered soon.
 I hope I am not clutching at straws, but I have been finding my mattress too firm recently.

Has anyone else found that a new mattress has helped??

Carrie x

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Ellen on September 04, 2008, 03:43:23 PM
Hi Carrie,

I got a feather bed from QVC - it's like a duvet you lie on top of - and it's so cosy.  I call it my nest and love going to bed.  It really helped with my stiff back in the mornings.

Ellen xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Micki on September 05, 2008, 08:09:09 PM
DH bought us one of those foam mattress toppers, I must admit I sleep so much better on it, I don't seem to toss and turn as much as I used to
Micki x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: beachy on September 06, 2008, 12:31:17 PM
Hi Guys........I'm new and @ present I can't cope with poor sleeping but found you lot this morning so think from NOW I may be able to..........For the first time ever re: menopause I am ENJOYING myself and as I've said at least three times already, I am smiling as   http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/Themes/default/images/post/cheesy.gif all your own experiences are putting the wonderful perspective on two of mine in particular as quite "normal" - A genuinely FANTASTIC site ladies!

regards to all,
b.



Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: lillybee on September 06, 2008, 04:13:11 PM
A friend recommended the Chillo from Amazon and it works for me. It is a slim pillow you fill with water and then seal. It stays cool for ages but it can come up to your temperature if it is really hot at night. I like it when I get in bed it is so cool on my neck and face. It sits on top of your normal pillow or inside the slip. I leave it on top of the bed in the day so it stays cool and flat. Like the cold water bottle at the feet idea as I get hot feet too. I can so sympathise with all of us on here, the lack of sleep is the worst thing. I was waking up boiling hot and drenched 2-3 times at night. My GP gave me amytripiline (excuse spelling) I only took one every few days when I got desperate but it was bliss to get a real ggod sleep. I am on HRT now and thankfully, touch wood, the night sweats have stopped.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: luvdogs on September 06, 2008, 04:38:16 PM
i have started sleeping in the raw ;D it has helped me i stand at the window before i go to bed and it cools me down
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: luvdogs on September 06, 2008, 04:40:28 PM
oops better explain i live on a farm in the middle of nowhere so im only scareing a few sheep ::)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on September 06, 2008, 05:11:32 PM
 ;D ;D ;D  I've always slept in the raw I must admit - can't bear anything on in bed and the whole of my family is the same  :ola:

Love Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: beachy on September 07, 2008, 01:43:22 PM
Hi Ladies,
I seem to be opposite of you lot - my feet are SO cold most of time I go to bed every night with a Microwavable foot warmer, I'd be in "bits" without it & sometimes wear socks - very sexy, being raw or not is not an influencing factor!

Well, my sleep last night was interesting as didn't take sleep tblts again just 2 x Valarian root - I know I woke up 3 times, twice before I was "fully awake", thinking the 2nd time to be 6'ish I said I'd give myself another "go", I opened my eye's the 3rd time thinking it to be 7-8am....nope, as 3rd time (ie,Fully awake) was only 6:10!...so what did that make the previous awakenings??. Difference though ?? Reading this site yesterday simply made me roll over and stick the sleep CD (my bible!!) back-in-my-ear VERY happily (instead of getting annoyed) and snooze until I needed a cuppa at 6:45!. I know Valarian Root is not effective for me re: sleep, I'll take it for a few night's though to see if it reduces current anxiety.
Thanks to all,
b.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on September 07, 2008, 07:17:36 PM
;D ;D ;D  I've always slept in the raw I must admit - can't bear anything on in bed and the whole of my family is the same  :ola:

Love Taz x

Same here Taz, i have slept in the raw for about 6yrs, hubby has top & boxers on, shame he gets so cold, when i throw off duvet, and thats only 4.5 tog, when its really cold, he puts a single duvet, under the king one, on his side to "stop him freezing to death" ahhh......
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: lola on September 09, 2008, 03:09:04 PM
 ;)

Hi, I haven't had a decent nights sleep now for around 6 years, like many of you on this forum.

It started with waking up at 3.am. and then not being able to go back to sleep to actually not going to sleep till 3.a.m and waking at 5.am. so functioning or not functioning on 2 hours sleep most nights and even no sleep some nights.

I have tried everything, HRT. Menopace, Kalms, relaxation tapes, lavendar,hot baths, exercise  no exercise, knicker magnets, melatonin etc etc.  I usually just take half a zopiclone for the 2 nights I need sleep for work and like others a packet of 28 lasts me around  6 months.

My doctor has referred me to the sleep clinic although I feel anxious that I won't get very far with it as I am sure its a menopause problems.  He says that I am not responding to anything so its not the menopause, if it was I would respond to the drugs such as HRT, Menopace etc.

Ironically the last couple of nights (don't wanna talk too soon) I have been sleeping better, I got my appointment at the sleep clinic in October so just be my luck to get sleeping before that.!!!  However, I have been like this before for a couple of months sleeping then the insomnia comes back again.

I will post and let you know how the sleep clinic goes and what happens. 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on September 09, 2008, 07:57:53 PM
Hi Lola :)  I have suffered hot sweats for 6.5yrs that have keep me awake, is that your prob, or is it insomnia....I also have to take 7.5mg Zopiclone when i am exhausted, around 4-5 sweats get through, but after cold flannel cold water etc, i fall back to sleep till the next sweat...

If its not H-S keeping you awake, i really hope  the sleep clinic can help you, as holding down any sort of job on 2hrs sleep i know is sole destroying.. :hug:

In the mean time i hope you do start to get a little extra sleep.. :-*
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: lola on September 10, 2008, 06:14:40 PM
 :(  Hi Rosebush...No don't seem to get hot sweats fortunately.  Its just an insomnia thing.  I am not worried about anything, have a very happy life, exercise regularly and eat a balanced diet...so its really frustrating...to lie there hour after hour tossing and turning and not sleeping.  I am actually too exhausted to get up and tried that once but made me even more aggitated.  However, finger's xxx'd as I said OK at moment, but I go like this sleep for 2 -3 months, then the dreaded 2 hour insomnia hits....

Lola
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on September 10, 2008, 07:26:20 PM
Lola let us know how you get on at the sleep clinic.. :-*
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: canarypam on September 12, 2008, 03:51:58 AM
I have been wearing the Lady Care magnet for a couple of days now I so hope it's going to help.  As you can see it's 4.46 and I have been awake now since 2.00am and have to be at work for 8.30am.  I am so tired all the time.  I will go back to bed soon and probably fall asleep at about 6.00 and not want to get up again at 7.00am.  I have sleeping pills 1 sort doesn't really help because I still wake at 2-3am and the other ones work brilliantly but I'm like a zombie the next day.   I am really at my wits end!

Thank goodness for this forum it helps to read how others cope and gives me something to do at this time of the morning!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: nutty nix on September 14, 2008, 01:25:25 PM
I'm waking up around 2/3 in the early hours...especially when my hubby is in bed too...did tell him i sleep better when he is on the night shift ;D...bed to myself... 8)
Only to be told by him if i'm awake at that time of night i should wake him up... ??? ??? :safe: :poke2:...no I think i will give it a miss i said i know you need your beauty sleep... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on September 14, 2008, 06:33:08 PM
Oh Nutty.. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jacksfullofaces on September 16, 2008, 07:38:23 AM
Zopiclone can sometimes have the reverse effect of wakefulness - it certainly did with me. I occasionally use nitrazepam. For those who don't respond to valerian wild lettuce tea or passionflower can be a good alternative.
           Jacksfullofaces
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on September 16, 2008, 09:28:40 AM
When my sweats have been severe for more than 4nights, exhaustion pushes me to take Zopiclone, around 4-5 sweats still wake me, but after going to bathroom, cold flannel etc, i can fall back to sleep until the next one, also i am not drowsy when getting out of bed, JFF are nitrazepam OTC or off Gp??
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jacksfullofaces on September 16, 2008, 09:44:13 AM
Hi Rosebud
Nitrazepam are prescription only. Some doctors reluctant to prescribe as long term use causes dependency but that is also true of Zopiclone. Sensible use though doesn't cause a problem. I have used them occasionally for years without dependency problems
  Jacksfullofaces
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jillymoo on October 07, 2008, 02:43:25 PM
Insomnia has only just begun to be a real problem for me these last couple of months,although not sure that's the correct term for it.I can sleep...eventually,but it takes me hours to drop off,if I go to bed around a normal hour,say 10pm/11pm.
Then I'm shattered the next day,which tempts me to either go back to bed after daughter and OH have left,or snooze on the sofa.I usually feel quite refreshed after my 'daytime' sleeps,but of course this sets up a viscious circle,as by night time I'm not as tired as I should be  ::)

If I stay up late and fall into bed around 1am/2am(very often after a glass or two of vino!),I fall asleep right away,but still feel exhausted the next morning as I haven't had enough sleep  >:(

I feel as if my whole sleeping pattern has gone crazy,not helped I suppose by being unemployed since July,and not having to keep to a routine in order to be up and out early for work.One of my main problems when I can't sleep is not being able to get comfortable,a feeling of aching all over whichever way I lie.
I get night sweats,but I can't say they are a huge problem really.

I'm tempted to ask the doc for a few tablets,but don't want to come to rely on them,even if he was willing to prescribe some for me  :-\

I think I'd feel much more like my old self again if I could just get some regular,good quality sleep!

xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Sparkly on October 07, 2008, 03:22:44 PM
My sleeping isn't as bad as some, possibly because I don't really get night sweats. However I swear I could kill my husband when I listen to his breathing slow down almost the minute his head hits the pillow!

Karen
x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: amandahh on October 07, 2008, 04:51:54 PM
Hello, I am feeling so exhausted at time. I go to bed and am also suffering from Anxiety at the moment. I have been like this for many years. I am 51 will be 52 in December. I am now having a rest on my bed each afternoon. I am keeping busy in the mornings and take out my two dogs for walkies as well.I am also on beta-blockers for Anxiety. Regards amandahh Ps so sorry to moan on
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jacksfullofaces on October 07, 2008, 07:23:35 PM
Melatonin might help. DH uses it. You can buy it on Ebay
    Jacksfullofaces
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: elsiee on October 08, 2008, 12:30:44 PM
I am exhausted - totally exhausted at the moment.

I wake about 3-4 times a night, and have night sweats every night.
I go from boiling to freezing to boiling all through the night.
I cannot take HRT due to mendication contradictions, cannot take anything like kalms, or Valarian - literally going bonkers.
Not really seeing my husband as much as I would like as I am trying to get some kip.
I have given up smoking, caffeine - everything...

Will praying help???!!
Like I say - bonkers!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on October 08, 2008, 05:56:08 PM
Oh Elsiee, know how you feel, some days i just dont want to get up & face the world, wish i could say, it gets better, but in my case its not, but this site is a life saver, so log on and have a cyber hug :hug:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: elsiee on October 09, 2008, 11:33:37 AM
I SLEPT LAST NIGHT... mail yelling I know, but oh my god...It was as good as Christmas, my b'day and all the chocolate I have ever eaten all rolled into one.

Heaven.

I may well have just drooled thinking about it......
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on October 09, 2008, 02:37:44 PM
Well Done Elsiee  :ola: hope it happens again for you tonight, do you think it is the Menopace thats working.. :-*
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: amandahh on October 10, 2008, 05:22:46 PM
Hello, I dread going to sleep as I know I will not awake feeling good at all. I am a complete worry guts as well with chronic anxiety as well which I know doesnt help. I am on sleeping tablets which are 5MG but my GP said its ok to take them. I also take Rescue night remedy when I dont take a sleeping pill. Regards Amandahh
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: grumpy2008 on October 10, 2008, 07:33:42 PM
My sleep is dreadful at the moment. I seem to be in hyperdrive, mainly due to the anxiety, and tend to wake up in the small hours, turning over and over and unable to get back to sleep. Sometimes I get up and check the forum, lol, but most of the time I'm just too tired to do that and figure that dozing must be some rest in itself.

It's very annoying, not to mention tiring. Come 4pm in the afternoon and I'm flagging, looking forward to bedtime again   :(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: elsiee on October 13, 2008, 11:41:22 AM
Hi Rosebush -
Thought I would hold fire before replying as it could have been a fluke!
I have now slept solid nights since being on the Menopace Plus (not plain Menopace).
I have been using it religiously and only taking it on a full stomach. I am also on Zoladex injections, and it's the only thing I can take. It's also helped mood swings, night sweats, hot flushes - the lot. To the point now - when I feel like throwing something across the kitchen I know to take a step back, breathe, distance myself and tell my poor husband that I shall be outside kicking the plants. It's been a massive help. It takes a while to kick in - but when it does you can really feel it. I'm now back at the gym (a novel experience) and that is helping even more.
I'm 36 - and just married, no kids, so feeling a bit down about the whole thing to be honest!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on October 19, 2008, 05:50:33 PM
Thxs Elsiee, i will get some Menopace Plus 2morrow, will give anything a try at the moment..

Hope you are doing well on the Zoladex.....xxxxxx


Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: elsiee on October 23, 2008, 08:41:27 AM
Hi Rosebush - the Zoladex is ok, not fabulous though!
On top of eveything else my boobs have started growing faster than anything I have ever known, and that I was not expecting. Very hot and cold - but no flushes.
Menopace didn't work for me, but the Meopace Plus seems to be doing the job.
Can't tell you how much better I feel - and as a result how much better my husband is feeling!
How are you doing there?
M x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on October 23, 2008, 11:09:03 AM
Hi Elsiee, Inspite of feeling hot & cold, its so nice to hear you say you are feeling better :hug:

I have only taken 2 Meno-Plus, so will not be looking for any change yet, but praying anyway :)

I am Xmas shopping and getting ready for hols, plus need to get 3 Birthdays gifts as well, but its just push myself all the way...but at least i am pleased with my weight loss, so thats a plus sign..Are you still using the gym, my friend in Spain, has a gym on her small complex, and has said i can use it anytime, its a 45min walk to her place so that will help as well..

BTW can you remember how long it took for the MPP to kick in..?

x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: elsiee on October 24, 2008, 11:59:08 AM
Hi there Rosebush - I do remember how long the Menopace Plus took to kick in as I was counting the days before I chucked it away as a lost cause! I promised myself I would do a sheet before I hurled it in the bin as yet another waste of time!
And that is about as long as it took to suddenly make a difference - roughly 4 pills before the end of the first sheet - so a week and a half.
I have made a few other changes though - and I do believe that they have helped it along. No takeaways, no additives, no beer (that really triggered the hot flushes and night sweats for me) and exercise every other day. As I lose weight from eating properly and exercise - I can feel it working even better.
It all sounds terribly boring (well it IS terribly boring) but it's working.
I'm happier, feel better and easier to live with.
Less flying off the handle and crying at the drop of a hat. (apart from last night when I started crying at an advert and carried on for about 20 minutes!).
But it has to be said - a lot less!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on October 24, 2008, 02:02:26 PM
Thxs Elsiee, i have taken 3 now so by next Friday i will pray for signs of some change..

I am on Low Carb diet at the mo, so no takeaways for ages, also no drink, as you are right..it sends my sweats through the roof, not so bad if i am outside in the cool though....losing some weight has made me exercise more, which helps with my Arthritis, so two good things really..

I dont think its sounds boring, as any thing we can do, that helps us through this dreadful time, and brings some kind of relief to our symptoms, is a bonus, so thanks for your post.. :hug:

Any changes with Meno-plus i will post ladies..only 16 days to my 9wk break so, praying for some relief.

x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on October 31, 2008, 08:34:51 AM
Hi Ladies

Have been taking Menopace plus now for 10days, although the first 3days, i was only taking 1, did not realise should have been a dual dosage :-\ so really its only been the proper mix for 7days, and ... i hope i am not tempting fate... the last 2 nights only had 4 sweats in 7-8hrs, so feeling so much better this morning, really hope this continues.. :)

Thxs again Elsiee for your post on this, and hope you are still getting relief with them..

x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: elsiee on October 31, 2008, 03:31:44 PM
YAY!
Got a convert!
I found Menopace on it's own pretty useless and you do have to take the 'Plus' part!! ;D ;D
Gave me a good giggle there!
I had a couple of glasses of wine the other night - steer clear! I was up all night with flushes, sweats etc.
All I can say - is that they 'do' work - but you do also have to help them along; like you say, low carbs ( I have none after 2pm) exercise, no booze without food and basically living a dull life in that respect.
Tonight however I am having fish and chips and to hell with it!

I have found them invaluable - I actually sleep for a decent stretch now!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on October 31, 2008, 05:00:19 PM
Fish & chips.. ohhhh i can taste them already  ;D  not had any wine for ages, but i do love a nice glass of red.. :'(  last Sunday i did have a small vodka & diet coke, never had that drink before... and i seem to have got away with that, sweats were no different.

Just with a little more sleep, its amazing how much i have done today, my hubby thinks i have hot coals in my slippers... ;D even done 2 lots of exercise which is good for my joints..so fingers crossed for a bit more sleep tonight...Hope you have a good night too..

x

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on November 03, 2008, 10:11:34 AM
Menopace Plus still helping with flushes so getting more sleep, had a straight 3hrs 15mins also 2x2hrs, which makes all the difference...sooo hope this continues..

x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: grumpy2008 on November 03, 2008, 05:05:01 PM
Glad the Menopace is working for you, Rosebush. The trouble with me is I start out with good intentions but always forget to take whichever tablets I'm trying out! Getting into a habit is hard for me.

I'm still not sleeping well - kind of on the edge of sleep all the time. Dozing in and out. On the plus side, since my yeast infection cleared up, I haven't needed to get up in the night to visit the bathroom! Hurrah!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on November 03, 2008, 10:31:11 PM
Hubby puts them out for me to take..bless him..he knows my meno brain is foggy ::)  so glad you are not having to get out of bed now, and hope you soon start to get some sleep, i feel i could sleep forever if it wasnt for the sweats waking me, but hope MPP continues to do its work.. :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: mimi the silver fox on November 21, 2008, 12:21:37 PM
I bought a Chillow which is a self cooling pillow which was lovely when I felt too hot in bed.
That has settled a bit so I don't use it at present.

You can buy them on-line.
Will go and check if they're in sshop on this site...
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: lorraine lewis on February 15, 2009, 06:49:11 PM
 :cat48:

Hi everyone, haven't been on the site for a while, but it's really nice to come back and read all the posts - people are really caring and supportive here.

Am having a tough time with lack of sleep (as well as being incredibly depressed/ratty, which may be side effect of lack of sleep!). I wake up every morning at 3am, manage to doze off again then wake up again around 5am. I don't sweat too much but my am hot like I've been cooking in an oven. Can't believe how regular this is - it's like an alarm clock going off.

Also get hot flushes during the day again now - they had eased off. Getting really fed up of feeling like this. Just want to feel like a normal woman again - at least as normal as I every was. Am only 49 - but feel 99.

Best wishes everyone  :angryfire:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Foggy on February 25, 2009, 11:09:52 AM
Isn't it odd how we seem to wake at the same time each night?  I'm a 3 a.m gal too, only last night it was 1 a.m, so I really hope I'm not starting a new trend  :-\

My son was home from uni at the weekend and I'm ashamed to say I was absolutely awful to him, you know when you know you're being horrible but can't stop yourself? :'(   Poor lad had a proper bewildered look on his faceas if he's done something wrong.

I've tried all the herbals and menopace, currently with no success, I might give the menopace plus a go next.  It gets expensive too doesn't it?
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: louise on February 25, 2009, 01:35:15 PM
Hi Foggy, my sleep goes all over the place at times.  Over the last 3 or 4 nights I've slept very well.  Almost don't want to say that, might be tempting fate!  The alternative market is very expensive.  They know with the scares over hrt they can overcharge us and because we're suffering women we will cough up. 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on February 25, 2009, 02:07:47 PM
The busy, involved, long dreams upset me more than not sleeping as I wake feeling exhausted and do not get good quality sleep.  I wake feeling "I can't take any more of this feeling worn out and frazzled" and have to ease my way into each day.  Fortunately the nights when I wake in the early hours are rare these days.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: charlie on February 25, 2009, 09:36:13 PM
Hi foggy,

I know what you mean regarding your behaviour towards your son!!
I too have done that.... for no reason, just picked on him like a bully in a school playground  :argue:
And what makes me feel worse is that he is so understanding of my situation at the moment!

And you know you should stop and that you are being totally unfair to him....but you just can't shup up!!!!   and when he is gone off out or back to uni you feel so guilty   :-\


NOW, on the other subject of sleep!!!!!! IS THAT WHERE YOU GO TO BED, CLOSE YOUR EYES AND WAKE UP WHEN ITS MORNING........I THINK I REMEMBER DOING THAT YEARS AGO!!! 
AT LEAST IT SOUNDS FAMILIAR TO ME!!!!!!!!!

Love
Charlie x x


Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on February 27, 2009, 11:03:19 AM
Oh Charlie that made me laugh ;D ;D so true though... i seem to be getting more cranky of late, i really try to not snap, but if i do its at hubby, who bless him, understands.....i think its the dreadful thought of these sweats going on for ever, and never having a nights sleep again.. :'(

Sadly after 4 bad nights i have to take a sleeping pill, i did last night and slept for 4hrs 10mins,  then i have  sweats for the next 4hrs, but some nights the gaps get longer... i just hate taking sleeping tabs...

I have made up my mind  not buy anymore 'herbal remedies' when i have finished what i have in cupboard..i am also taking Clonidine, which help so much with daytime sweats...just wish i could reverse my day.. :-\
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: louise on February 27, 2009, 12:36:54 PM
Not so simple any longer is it Charlie?, this sleep thing.

Rosebush glad the Clonidine is still working during the day at least.  I seem to be going through a relatively better period healthwise, hope it lasts.   

Louise x 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: charlie on February 27, 2009, 08:18:51 PM
Not being able to sleep is a total bummer!!!!

Do any of you ever have horrible depressing thoughts in th eearly hours of the morning, when you think the whole world is fast asleep....... EVERYONE EXCEPT YOU :'(


I hate this time of the morning with a vengence....

AAAAAAAAAA we live in hope



love

charlie  x x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on February 27, 2009, 08:27:02 PM
I know what you mean Charlie - I have spent years like that. Nowadays I have a 20 year old son who is not working and who has become nocturnal - he goes to bed at 6 as I am getting up and wakes up again at 4 as I am getting in from work!

When I wake up in the early hours - though I try to beat this by not going to bed until 1 a.m. - then I know that I am NOT the only one awake!

What do you do when you are just lying there? I find it is best to get up and get on with something rather than just lay there trying to sleep.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: soos65 on February 27, 2009, 08:50:22 PM
Hi ladies, I know exactly how you are all feeling,had a terrible night last night,if i wasn't sweating I was having really vivid weird dreams. I seem to be the opposite to you all tho, only nights I rarely sweat is the odd occasion I partake in a glass of red or two!
Love my hubby to bits, but it's so frustrating to hear him snoring away all night, for him to get up and say...oh i had a terrible night??!!!
Soos x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jules114 on February 27, 2009, 09:11:12 PM
When I started on HRT 3 weeks ago I swapped hot flushes for vivid weird dreams which kept me awake just as much and headaches during the day, I have now decided to stop taking the  HRT as I only wanted to take it if it allowed me to get a good nights sleep but this hasn't happened :-\
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on February 27, 2009, 09:14:26 PM
Jules I think that you have not given your body a chance to adapt to the HRT. It is known that you have to try it for at least three months to find out if it will work or not.

Taz x  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: charlie on February 27, 2009, 09:25:36 PM
Hi taz,

I just lie there in silence ( listening to hubby snoring) if i get up in the early hours my dog  :scottie: thinks its time to get up and wakes the whole bloody house barking!!!!!!!! :-\

I can understand the saying "everything looks brighter in the morning" as when it starts to get bright things really do look better!

charlie x x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on February 28, 2009, 12:11:22 AM
Watching those digital numbers clicking round on the clock is the worst part I think..... once it gets to 5.30 I know that it is only half an hour before it is a civilised time to get up!!

Sorry about your dog Charlie -I can see that you probably avoid getting up and so lay there going round and round in circles in your head and things always seem so much more worrying under those circumstances.

Hope you are sleeping tonight!

Love Taz  x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: useless on February 28, 2009, 06:27:26 AM
glad i am in such good company my body clock all over the place
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on February 28, 2009, 08:48:08 AM
My whole body is all over the place - let alone my bodyclock!!!!  ::)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: gina123 on March 03, 2009, 06:14:47 PM
hi all
i sleep well at first ..but seem to toss and turn all night..under the duvet on top of the duvet...so never get a sound sleep
gina
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: lolly on March 08, 2009, 07:57:35 PM
I need to be up at 5:30 , I Try to go to bed around 10. I feel tired when I go to bed and manage to go straight to sleep most of the time but then BING clock strikes 1:30 - 2:00 and I am clock watching, Tossing and Turning Throwing the covers off putting them back on punching the pillows, Turning the pillows over fluffing them up clock watching this continues till 5:30. I then go to the bathroom and notice my eyes hanging out of my head blood shot and I feel knackered. I can not remember the last time I slept all night
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Libby on March 08, 2009, 10:27:50 PM
The only way round my insomnia was to go to my GP.  I reached the stage where i was beginning to cease to function, i really thought i was going to run out of steam completely.  The GP prescribed Dosulepin 75mg, one tablet at bedtime.  The tablets are antidepressants but also work as relaxants.  I still suffer from sleep problems, but they have helped and i do get a few hours sleep at night instead of none at all.  My aim is to come off the tablets as soon as i feel like i am functioning properly again.  I don't suffer from depression and don't want to risk becoming addicted to any medication.  The Dosulepin are helping me as a stop gap.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Annika on April 28, 2009, 01:33:26 PM
I suffered from this for years and thought that I had to put up with it. In fact when I went to stay with my mum on a visit she mentioned how early I got up and that I was up during the night. I usually got about 2 hours if that each night. Then someone suggested Valerian, a herb from the Health Food store. So I take two now half an hour before bedtime and it works great for me. I now go to bed at ten and wake at 5.30 each morning. It can be so frustrating listening to your spouse sleeping like a baby next to you and laying awake for hours on end.  Hope this might help someone else. :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Elyse on May 09, 2009, 10:01:45 PM
I'm a problem sleeper anyway, so I can't blame this entirely on the menopause.  I have the sort of OH who says 'I don't think I'll get to sleep tonight...zzzzzzzzzzz'.
I take 5HTP capsules on an irregular basis or they lose their effectiveness, they can have a good knock out effect at first, though they are harmless.
Valerian can help. 
Dr Stuarts Tranquility tea is nice and can help a little bit.   
Passiflora - tea or capsules or tablets - good.
A breathing exercise I read about, will post back when I remember the details to explain.
If your OH or outside noise is a problem, earplugs can really help, I reccomend Boots Foam plugs, you can re-use them (wash them) they mould to the inside of your ear.
In desperation, only if discomfort is a problem, I take two co-codamol tablets with a magnesium tablet and a calcium tablet. 

I have in the past, before any meno symptoms, taken sleeping tablets, they do help if you really have tried everything else.  But they have to be kept to absolute short term only.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: molly on May 27, 2009, 10:58:15 AM
I started taking Menopace a month ago i know there is a forum for Menopace but i cant find it ;D. I never slept for a long time due to night sweats. Not sleeping hurts your body and mind. But since ive been on menopace its amazing for the past 2 weeks ive been sleeping so well. I still have the odd sweat at night but nothing compared to what i had. I would recomend these pills to anyone.  ;D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on May 27, 2009, 11:04:11 AM
Hi Molly welcome to the forum  :)

Thanks for such a positive post about Menopace - I am on HRT as I didn't get relief from anything else but it is good to know that for some people it works.

Have a good look around the site - there is lots of info and support on here. It is a little quiet at the moment as a couple of the members have left recently but stick around - things will pick up again soon.

Taz x  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppins on May 27, 2009, 11:16:29 AM
Hi Molly
  :welcomemm:
Welcome from me too. Ive been suffering from night sweats and poor sleep for ages now, so know how you've been feeling, and good to hear you are getting good results, what is in menopace as i already take a good multivitamen, St johns wort and ginseng, a bit wary of adding anything else into the meltingpot....let alone the expense!
love poppinsxx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: annie-mac on June 21, 2009, 11:24:45 AM
Hi there

My worry is that for the last 3 years since having menopause symptoms I have been unable to sleep.  I then tried Nytol (or the equivalent!) and I have to take them every night now or I don't sleep at all.  I'm starting to get quite worried about this because I'm scared that I'm addicted.  I just pulled all the muscles in my shoulder at work and hurt my back so now I'm on extra strength co-codamol too.  I really just want to have a restful nights sleep without taking anything but I have tried and tried and I just can't sleep without help of some sort.

Can anybody give me some advice because I feel awful and dozy the next day which isn't good.  I don't think that helps with my feeling of "vagueness" through the menopause symptoms. 

I'd be really grateful if anybody has been in a position like this and got through the other side.  I just want to have a good nights sleep without any help from chemicals etc.,

Thank you in advance.
Annie x :'(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: catweazle7 on June 21, 2009, 12:02:04 PM
Hi annie-mac

Have you ever tried self hypnosis cds? I have quite a few titles by Glenn Harrold (available on Amazon or Play.com) and I think they're really good (you need to use them regularly for best results). My mum is a terrible sleeper so I recently encouraged her to get the one called 'Deep Sleep Every Night'. Fingers crossed it seems to have done the trick for her.

Might be worth a try.

Love Catweazle x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppins on June 21, 2009, 01:29:29 PM
Hi Catweazle and annie
funny you should mention hypnosis, ive booked to go and see one, hypnotherapist thats is, first 'taster' session is free. perhaps id have been better with a cd.
poppinsxx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: annie-mac on June 21, 2009, 01:37:03 PM
Hi there

Thank you so much.  I will give this a try.  The thing about using these sleep aids is that it does make you fall asleep but I don't think you get a really good sleep and you wake up feeling awful.  I've felt like this now for 3 years!!!  I recently started a job doing night shift (which I've since left!) and the first day after night shift I couldnt sleep at all.  I then did another night shift and slept in the conservatory.  I slept for 3 hours but that's the most refreshed I've felt in 3 years.  I actually took the dogs out and really enjoyed the countryside because I was awake enough to notice.

Does anybody know if these nytol tablets and the like are addictive?  And if they don't give you a real sleep - more a coma-like sleep (like sleeping tablets!)? 

I'd be really interested to know.  I'm going to have a look on amazon to see about these CDs.  Thanks again.

Annie 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: jeni on July 29, 2009, 02:36:49 AM
I go through periods of not sleeping all night and the last few days is one of them.  No particular reason, but awake at 2.30 for about and hour and half.  Gave up tonight, hence browsing here.  My theory being, when I've tired myself out enough, I'll sleep again....   :-\ 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: poppins on July 29, 2009, 02:19:50 PM
I have had my 3 sessions of hypnotherapy, she promised me 6 hrs unbroken sleep, but thats not yet happened, unfortunately the sweats occur at least 2 hly, but i do find im back to sleep much quicker than i was and feel less stressed about it, i now have a CD to use 3x a week.
poppinsxx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on July 29, 2009, 03:00:35 PM
I feel shattered today.  Had 2 nights of not sleeping properly then last night I had busy++ dreams ...... the alarm went off and I woke exhuasted.  Tried to sleep on the sofa today but mind racing with things I should be doing  :cuss:  I feel that a whole day in bed sleeping without having to do anything would ease my tired brain!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on July 29, 2009, 03:04:01 PM
It's probably best that you didn't snooze CLKD - that would have disrupted tonight as well. Try to keep awake as long as you can and then you may get a goods night sleep tonight. I hate the nights - they go on for ever and ever and ever... everyone seems to be asleep (apart from my son and his mates of course) while I am awake. Always have hated sleeping though so it's my own fault probably!

Taz x  :lol:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: babsperry on July 30, 2009, 06:52:58 PM
The simple answer was that I wasn't coping. I've had 2 years of hot flushes and night sweats but the last 6 months have been double worse. Every night I took 2 bath towels to bed to mop up the sweat. Couldn't remember the last time I slept all night. My poor other half did his best to show compassion.  I was walking around like a zombie trying to do my work. Everyone said dont take HRT, but they weren't experiencing this horror. I tried everything on the chemist shelves - no good. I caved in yesterday after visiting the doc explaining that doing nothing was no longer an option. I am after all 57 years old and still having a period every 3-4 months!   She has put me on Everol conti patches. So fingers crossed. Does anyone know how long these things take to work???
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on July 30, 2009, 11:22:58 PM
With me they took 48 hours maximum - I went from hot sweats every 20 minutes day and night to none at all. I hope you get the same result!

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on July 31, 2009, 07:40:05 AM
Welcome Baps!  I feel a little better this morning.  Not as many dreams which is what interrupts good quality sleep for me.

Anni-mac:  As for Nytol - have you tried taking it earlier in the evening?  That way the 'hung over' effect might not be as prevalent?  Try not to worry about the addictive side of the preparation, if it helps you to sleep then go with it  ;).  When you no longer require it you will sleep more 'naturally' and be able to gradually stop taking it.  It's the mental attitude of 'will I sleep tonight without it' which keeps the brain awake!  Try relaxing with a cuppa in the evening, try to let yourself 'be'.  Take the Nytol 'knowing' it will help.  Make a list of tomorrow's chores and put to one side.  Bed. Doze. Sleep.  I spent years worrying about not sleeping through the night before I decided that I *was* coping with the busy job; that I hadn't died yet through lack of sleep; that I did have the chance to catch up at weekends ........ my pattern improved from that night onwards!  Sounds simplistic but something clicked and I began to sleep more soundly, the early hour wakening became less  ;)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Chris on August 18, 2009, 09:11:09 AM
I have always been a bad sleeper and went thru a terrible phase about 5 years ago when I went night after night without sleep and desparately went to the doctor. After trying many different things, I am now quite comfortable with the following remedies:

I have Zopiclone for travelling (jet lag) and for those nights when something is on my mind and I know it will stop me sleeping (ie before a big event). Zopiclone is very dangerous as you do become addicted to it after just a few nights. I use very sparingly.
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Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: hotandsweaty on August 24, 2009, 10:48:25 AM
Hi i am new to this forum i am a 50 year old hot and sweaty women who i think has just started the menopause during the last 6 months, i am unable to sleep, that is until i found this new product Europe.  Apparently it is very popular in the states and NAMS has it listed as one of their reccomended products.  i found it by chance on my recent trip to spain and brought one home with me this fan is unbelieveable it blows cool fresh air under my sheets and its got what i call a dimmer switch control so you can turn up or down depending on the flash, its called bedfan and i just want to kiss the inventor.  I just thought i would share this unique little find with all my fellow sufferers.     
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Hotnbothered on August 24, 2009, 10:54:03 AM
Hi hotandsweaty,
 :welcomemm:
Glad that you have found something that helps  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Flo99 on September 13, 2009, 07:48:05 AM
Found this

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/01/10/peri.menopause/

Click on the health video in bottom left hand corner- Sleep and menopause


A very helpful read.  Thank you!  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Hotnbothered on September 14, 2009, 09:55:01 AM
Thanks Flo, I have just read the link & watched the video  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: anxiousalice on September 21, 2009, 07:12:30 PM
Hi everyone

I've had trouble with sleep for the last 2 years. It started when I had thyroid problems coupled with a death in the family,and it's still as bad as ever.
I'm forever looking for a good remedy.
My main problem is that when I do sleep, I have really vivid dreams and wake up feeling as if I haven't rested at all!
I also have stiffness in my legs when I first emerge from bed in the mornings and a high level of anxiety which generally lessens as the day progresses.
I've been taking half a Zopiclone tablet most nights with the occassional full one when I have a few bad nights in a row.
I would much rather find something else, but I've tried some herbal remedies with no success.
I do try and grab a ten minute rest in the afternoon when I can, and this seems to help a little.
Will continue to search for a better remedy.
Ah, just thought of one......................no stress!!
In my dreams.............

Alice
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: catweazle7 on September 22, 2009, 07:05:48 AM
I seem to be able to get off to sleep ok, it's when I get up during the night to go to the loo that I can't get back off. I've been awake since 4.15 this morning  >:(
I'm going to try rescue remedy night spray. Boots have kindly sent me a voucher through the post for rescue remedies (*how did they know?  ???)

Will report back if it works.

Catweazle x

*Oh it must be because I've used my advantage card for the many, many purchases of regular rescue spray.
Hmm must be careful what I use that card for!  ;)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: ziggy1955 on September 22, 2009, 09:45:17 AM
I am so tired I don't quite know what to do with myself. The hot flushes that were disturbing my sleep very night for the last few months seem to have gone away since I started HRT last week but now I'm plagued by restless legs. The last 2 nights they have woken me up and kept me awake for ages. Last night was so bad, I couldn't bear to keep my legs still and I couldn't get any relief from the horrible creeping sensation in them. My poor husband must be sick of me wriggling around in bed trying to ease my  legs. I've read on here that bananas help so I suppose it would be worth eating more of them to see if it helps. I don't know what else to do.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on September 22, 2009, 11:49:58 AM
Hi Ziggy - Restless Legs Syndrome is a very real problem for a lot of people. There is even a society to help sufferers http://www.rls.org/Page.aspx?pid=477   I have odd spates of this in the past and find one way to ease them for a while is to lay with your feet much higher than your head i.e. lie on the floor with your legs against the wall - as high as you can get them comfortably. Have you had this before? Is it down as one of your HRT side effects I wonder.

There is more info here http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Restless-Legs-Syndrome.htm  which does mention exercise being helpful. I hope that you soon get some rest!

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: ziggy1955 on September 22, 2009, 12:31:28 PM
Thanks Taz, they do feel like raising them would be helpful but so far I've only had the energy in the middle of the night to put them up on the end of the bed frame but I think I'll try lying with them up the  wall to see if it works. I've had this in the past but not for years and it seems to be worse than it was. I think it is a meno symptom for me.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: doodles on October 04, 2009, 09:21:42 PM
hi girls new to the site, had hysterectomy and oophorectomy in january and every day since leaving hospital i have yet to make it past 3 hours sleep a night. My doctor will not prescribe me zopiclone as he says its more likely to be stress from my job (acute cardiac nurse) and not the menopause.  Any suggestions girls on wot over the counter remedies other than kalms (useless) are supposed to be any good.  I am so desperate for a nights sleep..........
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: catweazle7 on October 04, 2009, 09:39:04 PM
Hi doodles
Welcome to the forum  :welcomemm:

Nice to have you on board  :)
There's 20 pages in this thread so if you've got time to trawl through it, I'm sure there'll be some suggestions of things you can try. I've been having a spell of poor sleeping recently so you have my sympathy. I'm going to try rescue remedy night spray. My sister says it works for her (she's a nurse). Anythings worth a try eh?

Catweazle x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: PowerSurgeBiddy on October 09, 2009, 08:22:44 AM
Generally, I don't sleep too badly but when the hot flushes get bad then its another thing altogether.  Bedclothes on, bedclothes off; leg out of the covers, leg under the covers!  One thing I have found helpful is a hotwater bottle filled with cold water.  A cheaper alternative to the Chillow (I think that's what it is called.)  When i get a flush, which feels like my spine and back of scull are on fire, then I stick the water bottle under my neck and top of back.  Absolute heaven! (for a minute or two at least).  This forums great.  Wish I'd found it years ago. :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on October 09, 2009, 11:11:54 AM
Last 2 nights i have used Melatonin (3mg) which was recommened by a member, i had to order via web site, the hot flushes still get through, but i have been getting back to sleep quicker.. :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: doodles on October 11, 2009, 01:56:08 PM
since my last blog i have took advice and started valerian so far this is working, i slept for 6 hours last night and feel great this morning. there was no sleepiness of slugglishness that you get with nytol when i woke up.  hope it works for some of you guys out there as well.  now i just need to work out how to cope with mood swings ie wanting to throttle husband permanently since op then i will be well away ;D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on October 11, 2009, 07:12:41 PM
Doddles so glad Valerian is working for you  :hug: i did try it years ago but sadly for me it did not work..i took Melatonin again last night, as i have such a lot on at the mo and need to get back to sleep after all the flushes..i slept for 2hrs 20mins, in one go something i only normally get from Zopiclone, so it seems when needed Mela is working for me.. :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: catweazle7 on October 13, 2009, 11:03:49 AM
I am trying a new tactic for getting back to sleep in the middle of the night. I usually get off ok but wake up several times; for the loo, feeling thirsty, feeling hungry etc and once I've woken up I find it very difficult to get back off.

I've always been a bit of a clock watcher and notice exactly what time it is when I wake up. Then I can't resist doing the maths - how long have I been asleep, how long have I got before I have to get up, if I don't get back off how many hours will I have had and will I be able to cope with that amount etc etc. 

So, last week, as an experiment I decided to cover my clock so I can't see the time, just to see if it made any difference. I know the alarm will still wake me up in the morning if necessary, but, get this, I've discovered that if I don't know what time it is when I wake in the night I seem to be able to get back off to sleep no problem! Amazing. When I wake now I just say to myself 'oh it's probably about 1am' and I drift straight back off!
Woo hoo - I hope this is a permanent solution to my sleeping problem :bounce:

Catweazle x
PS I bought some rescue remedy night spray last week and I haven't needed to use it yet!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on October 13, 2009, 09:27:22 PM
Another success story well done Cat :hug: :hug:

As i reluctantly 5mths ago went on HRT for my nights sweats, i time them, just to check if or when Hrt will start to help...maybe soon... :-\

Cat i might even cover my clock tonight and stuff my diary.. ;D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tigerlilly on November 25, 2009, 04:37:26 PM
Well i don't take this for my sleep problem, but i had to take a anti-histamine about a year ago as i had a bad insect bite, i was given by the pharmacist the drowsy version, i kept nodding off in the afternoon, it was quite funny and i slept like a log! But oddly enough, even tho i know it will make me sleep, i won't take it for that, am i a bit mad? :o
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: countrylass on November 25, 2009, 07:19:57 PM
I have a clock that needs prodding for the light to come and show the time, so I just don't prod it anymore and it helps enormously.

The other thing I do, and this sounds silly but it works, I keep saying to myself 'go to sleep, come on now, off you go, go to sleep' and it can work surprisingly quickly.

Oh, and earplugs, they're wonderful. I wake up if a fly farts in the next room, so earplugs stop me waking up in the first place.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: annifanny on January 04, 2010, 10:56:16 PM
I've used the Paul McKenna "I can make you sleep" hypnosis cd. It works every time I use it but just one night without it and I'm back to normal. I know it off by heart now. :sigh:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dinkydo on January 15, 2010, 09:46:25 AM
I havent been on here recently as I had been feeling ok since my G.P told me approx 6 months ago my blood test indicated I was menopausal but lately I have been having terrible night sweats.  It is so weird as even though I dont feel particularly hot I wake up covered in sweat during the night and have difficulty getting back to sleep.  Therefore I end up spending my day feeling exhausted and not particularly looking forward to the following nights sleep.  I never seem to get a full nights sleep any longer and hate this whole sweating milarky.  I would really like to try some natural remedies....any ideas anyone?  :(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on January 15, 2010, 04:44:07 PM
Sorry you are now experiencing these sweats Dinkydoo. I am on HRT, which was the only thing that stopped mine, but I am sure someone else will be along soon. Reading the posts though it does seem as if any relief is short-lived. Have they started in the day yet?  :)

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dinkydo on January 15, 2010, 06:49:52 PM
Ohhh no not the day time as well!!! Help...night time is bad enough but thankfully none during the day  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on January 15, 2010, 07:52:17 PM
Sorry Dinkydo  ::)  I had night sweats for around a year before the day flushes kicked in and then the day flushes turned to sweats, every 20 minutes, dripping from top of head to soles of feet. Not pleasant! I put up with it for way too long and had got very down before trying HRT and the sweats stopped within 24 hours. Bliss! Sleep! I know though that eventually I will have to come off HRT and will more than likely be back where I started. Still, that's another day!

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: bluemoon on February 11, 2010, 12:27:47 PM
The natural progesterone Utrogestan causes sleepiness which is why you are advised to take it just before you go to bed. My sister in law has always had awful problems sleeping but since she started on this (in addition to her oestrogen only patch) she has slept like a babe and been able to come off all her other meds. I dont know why more people are not being offered this; i guess it is probably because it is more expensive.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: paulairo on February 11, 2010, 04:50:40 PM
I havent slept properly for the past 11years since I was diagnosed with the addisons, staeroids are renowned for interferring with sleep patterns, was prescribed sleeping tablets but they made no difference, thn lo and behold I have to go through the menopause, If I dont wake up with a hot flush, I have a pain somewhere or other, usually my back, knee, or recently my wrist, I do all the right things, I exercise in the  mornings, no caffeine after lunch time,nice bath , reading before sleep, but still tossing and turning.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bckquine on April 08, 2010, 07:19:09 PM
I rarely have a night of unbroken sleep.  Although I am lucky in that I do not actually get the night sweats, I do still have hot flushes so spend most of the night alternating between being tucked under the duvet, then throwing it off again because I am too hot and can't breath.  I sometimes have to get up and open the window (regardless of the weather), but then my partner complains when he has to get up to a cold bedroom!  My bladder also seems to go into overdrive during the night and I find myself needing to pee maybe 2/3 times during the night regardless of how much I have/have'nt had to drink prior to going to bed ( and they will be big, big pee's, not just little dribbles).  If I am having a really bad night I just give up, get up and come through to the computer and play some games, come on here, or just do a bit of surfing for an hour or so then go back to bed and try again.  I really envy anyone who can go to bed and sleep the whole night without any disturbance and on the rare occasion it has happened, I am like an excited bairn, telling my partner how ' I stayed in my bed all night and slept, woohoo'.  Give the girl a gold star  :congrats: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:  Is it any wonder most of us feel permanently exhausted all the time???????????????
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sticky on April 19, 2010, 07:39:39 PM
I read until my eyes can't focus and i am dropping the book, there is no point in just lying there waiting for sleep, it just makes me feel more aggitated, I will have a few nights with only a couple of hours sleep then I will have a really good night of about 6- 7 hours.

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Flyaway on June 20, 2010, 09:08:18 PM
Bckquin, I feel very much like you, I have always had to get up once a night to the loo but now it's often 3 times and altho I don't get sweats when I get back to bed I do come over all warm for 5 -10 mins. The same thing happens when I get up in the morning, before the kettle has boiled I am flinging the back door open. This is really unusual for me because I am usually a cold person, still have to put socks on at bedtime, but flinging open doors and windows or the bedcovers when I have a cup of tea in bed, even my husband has noticed!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bckquine on June 20, 2010, 10:28:23 PM
It sure is not much fun shirleyp, but on the odd occasion when I do sleep through it is pretty special, lol!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cupcake on July 15, 2010, 11:40:21 AM
I've tried pretty most things, and they might work for a couple of nights, but no more than that.My sleep did improve after 6 months off work, followed by retirement, but I'm sure it was the fact it didn't matter if I tossed and turned as I didn't have to get up for work.
I'm sure stress has alot to do with it. Since my son told me he was splitting up with his wife last week, I'm back to 3 hours, and the most awful nightmares.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Donna1 on July 23, 2010, 12:03:40 AM
I'm currently very anaemic, so insomnia is less of a problem than it used to be, however if if I do have a couple of nights sleeplessness, I take Nytol, which my GP reccommended a few years ago when I wasnt sleepong well because of other problems.

I usually find that taking it once breaks the cycle of sleepnessness, and I will have a really good nights sleep. I may wake with very soggy pillows from night sweats, but at least I feel refreshed. It isnt reccommneded for continuous use, so I try to avoid using it too much - normally no more than 3-4 times monthly.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: tropical-moment on July 23, 2010, 06:36:26 PM
I have been on my latest HRT treatment for just over 2 months now. (this is my fourth try).

All was ok till about 2 weeks ago when i started waking up 4 to 5 times during the night again. needless to say feeling sooooooooooooooo tired all the time. sometimes when i wake i get a hot flush other times i just wake. I can put up with the hot flushed but not the lack of sleep.   Maybee it's time to try yet another HRT.......

Sandie :hotflash:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Lina on August 20, 2010, 07:51:12 AM
I try to go to bed by 11pm if at all possible, prefer earlier nights myself but sometimes OH moans that I am off upstairs 'too early' so I stretch it out a little longer.

I usually wake around 4.30-5.30am - come downstairs, get a drink - sometimes something sugary to make me sleepy and check the internet for a bit.

When I then go back to bed I find (like this morning) that I lie there thinking I will have to get up in an hour, 3/4 an hour, half an hour etc. so I'm fighting myself to stay awake!

What a contradiction eh?

So I manage to stay awake then once I have the house to myself, if I can, I go back for a nap for a couple of hours - or whatever I can manage within the daily routine.  Then, like yesterday, I sometimes wake up feeling totally disorientated and can't get used to the time - cussing myself for 'wasting' a couple of hours or whatever.

So, it's a vicious circle really - you wake, you sleep - try and go with what your body wants to do - eventually it will sort itself out.

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: melis on October 04, 2010, 03:45:38 PM
Hi Has anyone tried the new Menopace Night ? I was thinking of giving these a go.. Im not able to take HRT. At night I usually read until I feel like dropping off but then I wake suddenly about 6 or 7 times a night with very negative thoughts and a really low feeling before the all over glow kicks in  :angryfire: I throw my side of the duvet off and lay there till I feel calmer and cooler .. the nurse at our doctors surgery also suggested Sage tea but I havent been able to find that in the local shops yet. I did try peppermint tea but that didnt seem to do much ..
Im just glad I have found this site and joined today ..  Ive been feeling so low and tired and forgetful and my libido has done a runner...  ::)  :sigh:so Im really looking forward to hearing how everyone else copes..
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: melis on October 04, 2010, 05:32:39 PM
Ohh thanks for that Larky .. I tried the magnesium citrate powder that is supposed to make you feel calmer and relaxed but the taste is really sour ..even mixed with fruit juice.. and it has a side effect .. :pills:  ermmm ..a very laxative effect.. :)
I will have to investigate the magnesium oil ..thanks  :clapping:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Lou on November 05, 2010, 06:23:24 PM
Valerian concentrated extract  ;)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Debbieanne on November 14, 2010, 09:59:18 PM
I nod off easily then wake after an hour go to the loo, then sleep and wake 3 hours later for the loo again, and this goes on all night. i wish i could just sleep the whole night  with out waking hot ans need a drink, wee and the window open even if it is frosty out side.
Looking back i think the meno stated for me at 45, i'm 51 now and had 1 very very light period in 16 months.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: allysonone on November 26, 2010, 10:54:53 AM
i was constantly waking up in the night and the doctor gave me anti depressants and sleeping pills. Tried the lot for a week, hated them. Ive reduced caffeine to 2 cups of tea and 2 coffee. Dont take caffeine after 2pm. Only drink alcohol on the weekend and limit it. Im walking 3 miles a day,and a cup of horlicks before bed. Not watching telly in bed and finally ive got the better of this sleep thing. Waking up once to go to the loo. Im feeling so much better.  :D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cupcake on November 30, 2010, 04:16:36 PM
I was tossing and turning most nights, dreaming about work! I left last October! :-\ Decided to try Tesc's equivalent of nytol, and it's stopped the waking up. Didn't work when I was at work  tho.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: 4seasons on December 16, 2010, 11:30:43 PM
 ::) I go to bed, fall asleep.........Zzzzzzzzz wake up! doze ........... wake up, get up, doze................. wake up.............. doze  wake up......doze............ if I can devise a way to keep this femseven patch stuck to my body, can anybody tell me if I could one day be in with a chance to SLEEP!  Goodnight x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: hainsby on January 12, 2011, 04:10:50 PM
Hi, my name is amanda and have just had a test to say i am in the menopause. I also have and under active thyroid. I am trying to battle this on my own without the help of HRT.
The worst feeling i get is the cold shivering after you have had a hot flush.
Is this normal ???
Does anyone use a fan at night  ???
I have one in my bedroom and on my desk at work and i find it does help
love
amandsa :steamed:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on January 12, 2011, 04:16:08 PM
Hi Amanda - welcome to the forum from me.

The shivery feeling is entirely normal - not pleasant but normal!

As fans - yes loads of ladies on here have fans in the bedroom, lounge, kitchen, car, handbag.... you are no longer alone!!

You may like to introduce yourself under new members as you will get "found" by more members on there and then they can welcome you.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: palmagirl on January 15, 2011, 05:28:19 PM
the only thing that comes remotely close to helping with sleep is a good old-fashioned glass of milk. That works for me anyway. Definitely NO alcohol - I've found that even one glass of wine can affect the quality of my sleep, and as for nights out with meals and drinks - forget it. I dont sleep those nights.
Mostly I got that "just under and no more" kind of sleep anyway. But milk is quite good- makes me calm and feel restful
PG
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: WhoamInow? on January 24, 2011, 11:51:09 PM
Badly!

I am in my 8th year of this nightmare and am 5 1/2 years postmenopausal.  I had several months of being up 12 times a night with flushes.  I sleep on a towel, window open, no heating, fan and wet flannel by the bed, air conditioner and remote controlled tower fan in bedroom, ice packs under the pillow, water by the bed.  One night, a flush was so severe that I clamped the towel round me and ran to the bathroom with my nose dripping on the carpet and my hands full of water which was running from my upper body and head and which I had to tip down the sink!

I listen to a relaxation tape which I know by heart and which I use frequently.  I use de-stress oil on shoulders and neck.  I don't have tea, coffee, caffeine, alcohol, dairy, chocolate or spicy food.  I wear a migraine patch on my forehead.  I drink cold chamomile tea in the evening.  Perhaps being rocked to sleep would be the answer.  Do you think there is a rock big enough???  ;)

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bette on January 25, 2011, 10:15:52 AM
Hi WhoamInow?
 :welcomemm:
Wow, that sounds rough.  :o Are things starting to improve yet?
Hope to hear more from you - maybe introduce yourself on "New Members" so more can welcome you? Newbies often get missed in existing threads.
Bette x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on January 25, 2011, 03:19:21 PM
I've had broken nights recently following bad dreams  :-\ so I read.  Make a cuppa.  Read.  the Light makes Himself restless but hey ho!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: annifanny on January 25, 2011, 07:26:46 PM
Hiya WhoamInow, Sometimes when I wake in the night and I'm lying on my back I have a huge puddle of sweat on my stomach (it's only flat when I'm lying down mind!) and I hate it when the sweat runs down into my eyes and sting them so I have to get up and rinse my eyes!

And....why is it that when I wake up soaked and throw back the duvet trying to cool down, hubby decides to roll over onto me and cuddle me!! GET OFFFFFFFF!!!!

Welcome!  :welcomemm:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: bev couzens on January 31, 2011, 06:33:55 PM
when i can sleep witch isn,t ofern lately,i wake up soaked from head to foot,its the anxiety attacaks keeping me awake at the monent..
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: lubi loo on February 10, 2011, 03:49:28 PM
separate beds, audio books ,mindfulness meditation...and the knowledge that at some point i will be so knackered i will sleep. Also allow myself time to nap or go to bed and rest when not working...

If i need to get up i do if i need to just rest i do..I think the secret is to accept this temp discomfort
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Misty on February 20, 2011, 12:39:24 PM
I have just had a read through this thread (and a good laugh too - read about someone like me who can hear a fly fart in the next room at night and I have also had to cover up my clock to stop me calculating just how much sleep I haven't had ;D ). 

Like a lot of you out there, I have always had sleep problems - hormone related - and have had next to no sleep for the past three months and it is driving me crazy.  GP confirmed that it is definitely a symptom of the perimenopause and  pushing me to try HRT (last resort, as I don't like the idea of taking hormone replacement - too many contraindications for my liking at the moment :-\), but has advised using Phyto Soya, which I have just started a week ago.  Nothing, but nothing has helped with the sleep issue and over the years, I have tried everything going, but it has helped to know that so many of you suffer too and that I am not alone, or going mad!!

BTW - zopiclone and Phyto Soya Nightime don't  mix - gives me a full on headache the next day, even on half a 3.75 mgm tablet.

Trying to do without any kind of hypnotic natural or otherwise at the moment ................yawn.

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: bev couzens on February 20, 2011, 01:46:31 PM
i tryed karams ,one of them knocks me out for a day ,i took one at night,,now i take 2mg of vailum twice a day,,its helping with my anxiety attacks,,now i,v been given ADS,,they make me very wobbley and my hands shake alot..i still dont sleep very well..and when i do i have very nasty dreams..BEV :-\
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: TJ on March 23, 2011, 05:53:52 PM
Sleep?  Oh, is that what it's called? Mine is sporadic at best. Doctor wanted to put me on Remeron (an older anti-depressant) and it made me feel absolutely zombified!  Like we need that in menopause?! I drink sleepytime chamomile/valerian tea which helps. I take a .25 mg (half of a .5 mg) tablet of Klonopin for anxiety.  I slept last night from about 11:15 pm to 2:30 a.m., tossed and turned, got up at around 4:00 am and went into the other bedroom due to neck pain and finding the other bed much more supportive I fell asleep til 8 am. I dont find too much that helps except the Klonopin and the tea. That's about it.  No way do I want to take that stupid antidepressant and feel worse. I find that less is  best....at least you have a baseline on how you feel. 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Lucky Stone on April 09, 2011, 06:41:40 PM
Even with the hrt, my sleep is not as good as it used to be. One decent night followed by one where I just can't either get to sleep or stay asleep. And I could also hear a fly fart (or OH snoring and snuffling  :( :( :( :()  At the moment, I am staying put and eventually I do drift off .... but it's a pain.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: melis on April 11, 2011, 01:56:18 PM
Having tried most natural remedies as I cant take HRT and it seems to be the flushes and feelings of dread/fear that wake me up I have for the last week started taking st johns wort and Omega 3 just one of each.. but Im sure im feeling a bit calmer less anxious..
I was also prescribed one of the older anti depressants (Amitriptyline 25mg) for pain and sleep..  but I couldnt handle the zombiefied feeling either. :o
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 11, 2011, 02:02:16 PM
Hi Melis - the zombified feeling disappears after a couple of weeks. It is great at relieving pain and aiding sleep if you can get over the first week or so. My doc started me on 10mg which is the standard starting dose for pain relief.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: melis on April 13, 2011, 07:13:31 AM
Oh thanks for that Taz my doc put me on the 25mg and I even tried cutting it in half ..but if the st johns wort and Omega3 stop working I will go back and ask about 10mg dose.

My daughter has been on Amitriptyline for post natal depression (on a much higher dose) and she said the same thing that after the first couple of weeks she didnt feel zombied anymore ..she was first put on one of the newer anti's ..seroxat ..and was made a lot worse..the doctor actually apologised to her ... she was really poorly kept pacing the room and when she sat down her legs kept fidgetting.. but she did really well on the old Amitriptyline.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 13, 2011, 07:57:46 AM
Pleased that your daughter is feeling better. PND is such a horrible type of depression. Just when you should be over the moon with your new, successfully delivered and healthy baby, WHAM! you feel like nothing is worth living for. Everyone else adores your new little son/daughter but it is as if you feel that anyone other than you would be a better person to be looking after them. I hope that it soon lifts for her.

Glad to be of help with the Amitryp.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Trey on April 13, 2011, 05:24:47 PM
Hi Taz, Wow! Wish I'd known the zombie feeling would pass.  I quit after a week years and years ago.  Now I'm tempted to re-think it for chronic pain control.  I thought gee, I took Elavil and had the same effect, and then realized that Elavil and Amiptrip are one and the same.  Thanks!  It was decades ago - must be one old drug.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: melis on April 13, 2011, 09:20:38 PM
Yes Taz PND is rough .. she had that a few years ago ..but sadly has had a repeat bout of depression and was put back on the Amitrip and has made a big improvements ..back at work etc..but she has to stay on it for a couple of years as it is a subsequent bout..
Thanks again x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: wallflower on April 15, 2011, 07:12:07 PM
I have no problem in getting to sleep ...I have for many years - 30 or so, listened to 'talk' tapes + now CDs.  This I have found out is pretty common, altho' I don't think Alan Bennet would be flattered to know just how many of his works have sent me sound asleep!
But, I sleep for maybe 2 or 3 hours, then it's up + out, to the toilet, to the fridge, just 'out'.  I don't even think I maybe need the toilet, I just get up.  Fortunately, I go back to bed and straight to sleep.
I mentioned this to a nurse + she gave me some antibiotics - she said I had a urine infection.  I slept straight thro the night for the first time in years...she said that the mp 'dries you up' and that you are more prone to infection..the nightly up and abouts have now returned.....I must be up at least 5 or 6 times in one night...anyone else out there doing this...I do think the nurse was right...
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 15, 2011, 07:26:23 PM
It is true that the menopause can lead to more frequent infections and the need to pass urine more often. The information in this link seems helpful in explaining more about it. Do you have any vaginal dryness or soreness? http://www.womens-health-concern.org/help/focuson/focus_urogenitalprobs.html

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: lel123 on April 18, 2011, 08:57:03 PM
I can hardly believe this, I have never been a very good sleeper, but now I am 46 and suffering from night hot flushes, oh and day time ones too and Im guessing I perimenopausal, but what I had no idea about was the sleeping problems associated with it.
As I said earlier ever since my kids were born I have been such a light sleeper, and it doesn't take much to wake me, but now, I just cannot get to sleep for longer than about an hour at a time at night, its so frustrating, and I thought it was just me and my sleeping probs, but now thankfully I think, it seems its a symptom of being perimenopausal.
I listen to my ipod to help me get off, but just lately find I am listening for longer and longer, then waking all night long, its making me so miserable. The Pharmacist today gave me some tablets with 'sage' in them and they are supposed to help with the hot flushes and hopefully that will lead on to a better nights sleep, guess I just have to wait a month now to get them into my system, and Im hoping and keeping everything crossed that they will be the answer to all my problems......  :) yeh right..... anyway we will see.
Thanks to all you ladies out there for sharing your ideas for help, and support, I had no idea this was a side effect!
x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 19, 2011, 06:27:06 AM
Hi Lel - welcome to the forum.

I hope the sage works for you. Let us know how it goes. You will find lots of ideas on here and friendship too - it takes all of us by surprise exactly how many symptoms are caused by becoming peri. Are you still having periods by the way?

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bette on April 19, 2011, 08:25:08 AM
Hi Lel
 :welcomemm:
Lack of sleep was one of my horrible peri symptoms - unbearable. HRT was the answer for me, though not for everyone, I know.
You might get missed in the middle of an existing thread so why not start a new topic in "New Members?" I know that more will want to welcome you.  :)
Bette x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: lel123 on April 19, 2011, 09:29:13 PM
Hi and Thanks for your welcomes.
Taz, Im havent had a period since december, and before then they were maybe every 2 to 3 months, so guessing its early days.
I will pluck up the courage to go to new members sometime and say hi.
Thanks again
x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 21, 2011, 10:45:31 AM
Hi Lel - yes do pop over and say Hi in the New Members section. More members can welcome you then and you may find someone who has missed your post here but can offer advice.

taz  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Dallas on May 08, 2011, 03:27:14 AM
Another member of the wide awake club here. ::)

I don't have any problems getting to sleep - but will wake 2-3 times a night with hot flushes and now and again I struggle to get back to sleep. 

I do have some Zopiclone from the Dr - but the other half hates me taking it as I am out for the count and he panics that he wouldn't be able to wake me if there was a fire or something.  But I am getting desperate now. 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on May 08, 2011, 11:31:56 AM
Have any of you found that you actually adapt to less sleep? I used to get to sleep ok but then wake up early. I found that by going to bed later this made a lot of difference. I need around five hours a night to function nowadays. If I went to bed at 11 I would wake at  4 and be really annoyed. Now I go to bed at 1 and wake at 6 which suits me fine. HRT doesn't make that much difference to the overall amount of sleep I get but I believe the sleep I do get is more restful than when I am not on HRT.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Trey on May 08, 2011, 03:19:49 PM
Does anyone take an afternoon nap to make up for poor sleep?  I can't because I feel so lethargic if I do happen to fall asleep during the day.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on May 08, 2011, 04:09:49 PM
Daytime napping is definitely a "no no" for me too. I feel dreadful when I wake up and then can't sleep at night. I know that sleeping in the day can be one of the reasons for insomnia - seems like a vicious cycle to me!

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: jumpingju on May 14, 2011, 03:33:15 PM
 :o I think my sleep patterns are still tied in with my once menstrual cycle because when I had my period I had erratic sleep, other than that I sleep pretty well and very heavily. It takes me a long time to get to sleep now though whereas it didn't before the menopause set in. Any sleep I can get I'm thankful for. If I have a bad night I take it easy the next day (self preservation, learned from getting all those damned migraines!)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: palmahy93 on May 25, 2011, 06:14:34 AM
I am facing problem of disturbed sleep for last one year. I have dinner two hours before going to bed. I have added salads and one fruit in my intake. May be stress of work is the cause of my disturbed sleep. Shall I go for pills?  :'(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: jumpingju on May 25, 2011, 09:37:02 AM
Hi Palmahy93. Maybe you should eat your dinner more than 2 hours before you got to bed. Give it at least 4 hours if you can, it's not good to go to bed on a full stomach. I have a mug of warm milk about 2 hours before I go to bed and it seems to do the trick with helping me go off to sleep. It has something in it the same as lettuce but for the life of me I can't remember the name of it (I must be menopausal).  Have you spoken with your doctor? If you have to go for pills go for the herbal type that won't make you feel groggy in the morning. Good luck x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bette on May 25, 2011, 10:55:30 AM
Sorry but I sort of disagree.  :-\ By that I mean that it might not be good to go to bed on a "full" stomach but I think it's good to have a snack just before bed. My sleep problems were caused by adrenaline rushes and low blood sugar made it worse. Sometimes I even ate a banana or biscuit during the night to help with the anxiety. HRT has sorted it for me but I still make sure that I never go to bed hungry.
Bette x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: palmahy93 on May 25, 2011, 11:09:14 AM
Hi Palmahy93. Maybe you should eat your dinner more than 2 hours before you got to bed.

I have consulted with family doctor, he suggested to have proper diet with lot of fruits. Since I am weak , right now he has suggested  to take some iron + vitamin B complex with B 12 tablets and not to for sleeping pills right now. I will ask him about this herbal pills.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: seraphina on June 17, 2011, 03:37:16 PM
I have put down my hellish sleeping to starting when my late husband got ill. But I don't think so now. I think I may of been in the first throws of meno pause and nobody realised.
I do not cope at all well with my lack of sleep.
I have been prescribed zopiclone for years. I periodically cut them down and almost stop them so they will work again for a few weeks.
My GP does not take it seriously at all
sleep depravation is a dreadful thing.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Dallas on June 19, 2011, 08:12:45 AM
Lack of sleep was almost sending me into breakdown mode.  I was prescribed Zopiclone by the GP and it was wonderful to get a decent night's sleep.  However, my OH was not happy with me taking them as I was almost in a coma and he was scared he wouldn't be able to wake me up if there was a fire.

My lack of sleep is caused by being woken by hot flushes.  I wake, have a drink then an hour later I would wake again and need a pee!  Plus when I was sleeping, it wasn't deep sleep.  A badger farting in the next county would have woken me up. 

I have tried sage, serenity cream amongst other things.  My Doctor is reluctant to put me on HRT and I am fine with this.

Recently I have been sleeping better.  I bought a "wicking" T-shirt from one of those outdoor clothing type shops to wear in bed and it does seem to help with the temperature control.

The other thing I have done is cut out refined sugar.  No cakes, sweets etc and oddly enough this does seem to help.  I recently read on the internet that Japanese women don't suffer with hot flushes and this is thought to be down to their diet which is low in sugar.

It is amazing how much better I feel in the day from getting a good night's sleep. 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: zodiac on June 21, 2011, 06:52:23 AM
hi all
 im 44 and in peri-meno and its driving me nuts lol, and  i dont sleep especialy the week im due on, im hot, i dream constantly the herbal sleepin tablets dont help they seem to make the dreamin worse amd more real lol but i wake up constantly,
 plus havein the window open dont help i still dont sleep that good and i hear everything even with ear plugs lol i cant take hrt been told by 3 doctors who are clued up on menopause coz of the medical history of thrombosis, strokes, blood preasure and heart problems and the angus castus dont seem to wrk the sex drive has flown out of the window, moods swings are horrible i am active go to the gym 4 days aweek then to wrk, walk the dogs but i am stressed out as have 3 step kids ages 5 --9 and 10 , my own kids are grown up my youngest is 17, and my hubby dont seem to b able to cope with me either even after he has read the advice for men lol 
xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: seraphina on June 23, 2011, 04:50:14 PM
I still can't get that Zopicolone is addictive - I stop and start it as I wish. It is worrying since I've read all the differant posts.
BUT to the topic, even with the zopiclone!!!! I have awful sleep/ flushes, dreams, ect. wake up at 4 in the morning waiting to get up. So I don't cope. I doze. I never really sleep.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jemima on June 24, 2011, 09:00:02 AM
Hi all,

disturbed sleep is a new symptom for me.......Im waking up in the night feeling 'ill'.......hot chest....and back sometimes.....numb limbs....tingling bottom!! (thats an odd one surely?) and feel sick and lightheaded....i try to stay calm and go back to sleep and i usually do....but then it repeats again a little while later....had two attacks of it last night (early hours) and got up ultra early thinking it may be because i needed food?

It is reassuring to read your posts - I feel like Ive joined some kind of club.....where do I pick my badge up from?

Jemima x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bette on June 24, 2011, 09:07:04 AM
I think it's adrenaline surges caused by hormone changes, Jemima. It can be exacerbated by low blood sugar so I kept a banana or biscuits by the bed so that I could eat as and when.
Bette x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jemima on June 24, 2011, 09:36:15 AM
Thank you Bette - that makes sense - I shall get some of those breakfast biscuits....and nibble on one in the night - or maybe some ribena......might make less crumbs!  8)

thank you x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Skylark on June 24, 2011, 10:21:29 PM
Couldn't agree with Larky more!  Insomnia is THE thing which gradually turned me from being a reasonably intelligent and usually articulate woman into a total gibbering idiot over the course of about a year.  I just could not function on any meaningful level and every little thing became a major drama.  I lost confidence in myself, became introverted and started to feel very low indeed.

I used to 'ping' awake EVERY night at about 3 or 4am feeling very hot and nauseous and then be unable to get back to sleep until about 5 or 6 when I could physically feel my body temperature reducing, by which time it was almost time to get up anyway.  No really bad sweats -  just heat.

I tried eating various things to see if that would settle me (even resorting to ginger wine at one stage!  ??? ) but more often than not, I just couldn't face eating or drinking in the middle of the night.

I finally decided it was totally stupid to keep on like this, went to the doctor's and came away with a week's-worth of sleeping tablets to see if they would "kick-start a normal sleeping pattern".  They didn't - I STILL woke up at 3 or 4 in the morning whilst taking them and then felt like a zombie for most of the next day.  Not wishing to be prescribed any more, I then left it for another 4 months before going back again, during which time I also started to experience dizzy spells.  By this time, I had found this site and armed with information, I had a very productive double-appointment!

This time my GP (who is lovely, btw) started me on the route to HRT: I had blood tests to rule out any other problem, an ENT appointment to rule out any balance problems and when all results were clear, we discussed the pros and cons of HRT and pill/patches.  I asked to try Tridestra (which I'd found out about here) as my periods were very infrequent and I didn't really want to to back to having monthly bleeds.  My GP openly admits that she's not an expert on HRT and had never heard of Tridestra (and couldn't find it in her book because she was spelling it Try...!) but 3 months into a 9 month course, I can't believe what a huge difference it has made. 

Good quality sleep has returned and everything else has got back to normal: energy levels up, concentration sooo much better, stringing-two-words-together not a problem, getting things done, much happier in myself and confidence returned.

I am horrified at the effect poor sleep had on me and my sincere sympathies go out to everyone who suffers, whether meno-related or not.

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jemima on June 25, 2011, 09:33:51 AM
hi girls,

when i wake up in the middle of the night its usually with a headache (thats what initially wakes me) then i go all 'jittery and trembly' inside....my muscles twitch too....last night it happened three times and today ive convinced myself Im having 'seizures' and this isnt menopause at all!!

Jem *going slowly insane....
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Astolat on November 15, 2011, 10:40:43 PM
Taking HRT helped me get over the insomnia, but now that I'm weaning myself off it the sleepless nights and night flushes have started up again.
At the moment I've just resigned myself to it, relax and go with it; I read for a while or listen to the radio until I'm ready to nod off again. I sleep well for the first two hours but after that I'm awake again - usually nod off around four or five in the morning. Not good when you've got a long day to get through, but for me, the more anxious I become about not being able to sleep, the worse it gets.

Might try some of those night time Kalms
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: coops on November 18, 2011, 10:04:21 PM
Hi i was on patches it takes about 6mths so doc says but everyone is different don't give up yet cos it's suppose to better than taking tablets hope you feel better soon  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: frazzled on November 18, 2011, 11:37:10 PM
 :(Another nite of not sleeping. Been yrs since i have
had good sleep. Take zopiclone too. 28 has yo last me
bout 3ts but even then only manage bout 3-4hrs. Get so
fed up i cld cry. No-one seems to undetstand how lak
of sleep makes u feel. Get depressed to which doesn't
help.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cook on November 18, 2011, 11:47:07 PM
At the moment I've just resigned myself to it, relax and go with it;
The sleep experts say this is the key to breaking the habit of waking. They say stressing about it just adds fuel to the fire
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on November 19, 2011, 11:08:22 AM
Did anyone watch this http://www.itv.com/tonight/?  It was interesting how lack of sleep affects the body. I have always had problems with sleep but have settled on being in bed for five hours a night now. I manage to get to sleep quickly, which is good, and only wake around three or four times during the five hours for roughly ten minutes at a time. Once or twice a month I do have nights where I only sleep for around a couple of hours but they are getting fewer now. Last week I was ferrying my son home from one of his gigs and actually got home at 2.15. By the time I got to bed it was 3 and then I couldn't get to sleep for a while and was back up at 6. I am sure that this is not doing my body any good and was the main cause of me developing fibromyalgia. I always feel like a swimmer who can never quite get down to the bottom of the pool!

I find it hard to actually go to bed - finding things to do all the time. This reminds me of when I was younger and I would put off going to bed for ages - even tidying my bedroom! It can play havoc with relationships too. I have not yet met anyone who is awake as much as me - especially more mature men who seem to need that doze on the sofa!

Taz x

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cook on November 19, 2011, 04:45:49 PM
Thanks Taz. I missed it but will see if I can watch it on catch up.

I think lack of sleep has a massive effect on the body. I remember my mum use to say that by laying down she was resting even if she couldn't sleep. It was around the time she was going through Meno.
Trouble is I'm a fidget so end up pottering if I can't. OH has learnt now to sleep through my owl moments  ::)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: silverlady on November 19, 2011, 05:25:01 PM
I saw the it Taz and it was interesting, they did not seem so keen on sleeping pills, but I think if someone is really suffering from insomnia, then they should not be made to feel guilty if they do take them even if it is a few times a week. Not being able to sleep for some is dreadful and is not good for the body and mind.

Its not always about worry and anxiety stopping you able to sleep, so will be watching next week to see what they come up with.

Taz you are not the only one who is not good at sleeping, OH is always saying that they should invent a pill so that you do not have to sleep, thats why we have seperate rooms also because of the snoring when he does finally sleep ::)

silverlady x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cheeky on November 20, 2011, 09:44:29 AM
I find that since I cut down on coffee (only 1 mug a day now) and caffeine drinks plus not drinking alcohol - only one glass of wine now and again, has helped!

But.........we did have friends round for dinner last night, we have not seen them for a few years, and I stupidly had a coffee at a ridiculous time.......wham!!!!......1 o'clock this morning I was sooooo wide awake and had to play a game on my phone until I felt sleepy, then woke at 7.45 this morning with a very fuzzy, cotton wool head!  :(

Sometimes it is good for my body to remind me what I am doing to myself sometimes!  So sticking to my only 1 mug earlier in the day too!

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on November 20, 2011, 11:41:31 AM
It might have been the stimulating company as well Cheeky. I am bad in that I tend to get really restless around 10 pm and go out to the local pub for my glass of wine. It is usually lively and chatty in there and I get back around 11.30ish wide awake. My natural going to bed time seems to now be 1 a.m. - sounds daft but it works for me.

Last night I was at one of my son's gigs and got in around 1 but then I wasn't ready to go to sleep till gone 2. However, I made the mistake of not getting up on time this morning and am sitting here feeling really sleepy and thick-headed. Like a hangover without the alcohol. Yesterday I still got up at 6.30 despite not going to bed till 2ish (friends round for the night) and felt great!

Here's to a sleepfull night for everyone tonight!

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Trey on November 26, 2011, 09:02:24 AM
I developed the habit of checking my three year old diabetic son every two hours during the night to be sure he was asleep and not unconscious.  I would find him in diabetic convulsions on occasion and this prompted me to start this monitoring.  It seems that I cannot break this habit and again I had to do same for OH with brain damaged induced sleep apnea, which thankfully has passed.  I cope with it by turning on the computer until tired and checking on m/m and then getting sleepy and hopefully back to sleep.  I have learned not to fight it...........and I do have fibro and I see the connection.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cheeky on November 27, 2011, 09:46:47 AM
Yes Taz, it is good when you get good company, but after a certain time in the evening when socialising I start to wake again!   So then when I go to bed, whatever time, I still wake up at the same time every morning!

I am now learning that when I wake up - and cannot get back to sleep after 10/15 mins, I get up - as if I fight to get back to sleep then do, I get into another deep sleep then wake up feeling like a Zombie!  Then I feel 10 times worse!

Plus - alcohol - no matter if one, two or three glasses, really makes my sleep pattern suffer, so I am making a concious  effort not to drink it now - I was never a big drinker anyway!

I am also not myself feel guilty for just doing what I want to do, when I want to do it - I know it helps that I work from home and somedays I don't even set foot out of the front door, I always made myself feel guilty for not going out to a work place everyday and only working a few hours a week - but as my husband so truly reminded me - I am now such a much more relaxed person and not as anxious I used to be - hence a stone and half heavier than I ever have been - but I will address that soon and I know exercise will help!  I feel lucky that I have the life I have and am around now when my husband is home and not our working like before and not able to spend time with him!

Oh boy - I rambled on a little there - sorry!  ???
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: annabelle on December 05, 2011, 04:38:14 PM
I have found that the HRT has really helped me.  I have been on it for 3 months and in the last 2 months I have slept better than I have for the previous six years.  I had terrible insomnia before. 
As well as avoiding caffeine (rarely coffee and at most 2 cups of tea a day and none after 4pm) I find doing deep breathing helps as does yoga when I get a chance.  On days when I feel very tense I use Kalms and or I take a calcium and magnesium supplement - but to be honest none of these things really worked until I started the HRT.
Hi everyone,
I started HRT Climagest 1mg 5 days ago, I went to my GP with racing heart and palpitations. The palpitations kept me awake for 2 to 5 hours, it has been a nightmare. I was given Propanalol a beta blocker, and await a 24 hour ECG tracing in 2 weeks! random ecg,s werenormal. In desperation I am taking night sedation to help me drop off, so far 2 nights I have had 6 hours sleep, each time.
It goes against all my principlesbut I was getting panicy.
I am praying HRT will kick in soon and the palpitations will stop.
My blood pressure is normal now, I do very little in the day, off sick from work, and cooking!
I am 52 and never imagined it would be this bad.
This forum has been reassuring, and I want to offer my support to all you women, I must confess I wish I had been born a man!
thanks for reading.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bette on December 05, 2011, 05:28:29 PM
Hi annabelle
 :welcomemm:
Palps is a common meno symptom but it's still wise to get them checked out.  :hug:
Why not introduce yourself on "New Members"? Newbies can get missed in the middle of existing threads and others will want to welcome you.  :)
Bette x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: jax on December 05, 2011, 06:46:27 PM
 :bat:
hey...The reason I went to drs 3 weeks ago was because I was/am getti g night sweats and palpitations which were/are leaving me feeling like I have a hangover or flu most days :-(
tomorrow I have my bloods done to confirm that I am in peri meno.
If that shows positive my dr is going to discuss HRT with me but I have gathered on th forum that ist often the case that hormone levels can come back normal in which case I expect a fight on my hands.
Since seeing dr she has taken me off BCP and I can feel almost daily things getting worse,ie more weepy, angry, foggy brained,forgetful and the night sweats and palps are worse too....
On saturday afternoon I felt so crap I went to bed for a sleep but spent most of it crying :'(... its difficult to make allowances for my varying daily probs. I have tried explaining to people close to me that if I had flu I would just be ill for a few days then its over but this doesnt go away. In another post entitled...what will i be today i described how I can lie in bed before getting up and wondering what day it will be?...intollerant, weepy, sweaty,palpitations or foggy brained.
keep fingers crossed for test results next week :-)
feeling very miserable about it all...
Jacky x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bette on December 05, 2011, 07:44:20 PM
Sorry to hear that you're feeling rough, Jacky.  :hug: Many gps are happy to by symptoms rather than blood tests results when prescribing HRT. This is from the Green Menu:-
The diagnosis of menopause and the menopausal transition should be made from a combination of factors with most emphasis being placed on the pattern of periods and presence of menopausal symptoms. In the late 40s, early 50s, the absence of periods or infrequent periods along with symptoms such as flushes and sweats can alone be used to diagnose the menopausal transition and blood or urine tests are unnecessary.
Try not to assume the worst but also go armed with a list of symptoms and be prepared to fight your corner if neccessary!  :valkyrie:
Bette x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: oldsheep on December 16, 2011, 03:55:52 PM
I hate having to take sleeping pills and who knows if I'll ever not take them and sleep. I have to go private for them, due to the NHS's recent attitude of refusing to prescribe them. They not only control my fibromyalgia and M.E by giving me 5-6 hours sleep most nights (we are talking therapeutic doses here; stable doses - although increased at the onset of menopause when nothing worked).
What I have noticed is a great decrease in my pain and a strengthening of my immune system. On no sleep or just 3-4 hours a night, I was in constant debilitating pain, miserable and stuck at home all the time, and caught every virus or bug around.
So lesser of 2 evils for me and I just wish the NHS would rethink its prevailing orthodoxy or 'one size fits all' prescribing and fatwas. They do not think there is any legitimate use (having over prescribed them in the past).
It's like M.E. When I first fell ill, in 1988, I took a lot of abuse from doctors/NHS, accused of all manner of inventing symptoms and shirking work etc. I got told I was 'depressed'. Now they seem to diagnose anyone very fatigued with M.E.....i just wish we'd be treated as individuals, with individually tailored treatment.

Sufficient sleep is 100% essential for good or better health. End of.  Interesting that in the last year I've seen a number of different specialists (tum&bum, heart/physician) and they are far less prejudiced than the GPs when the issue is explained.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: oldsheep on December 16, 2011, 04:43:18 PM
Hi Susan

100% with you on that. I hope you can get enough sleep and feel better as a result. Hope you have a really good Xmas.
xxx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on March 10, 2012, 05:42:45 AM
Insomnia is the bane of my existence, and has been for almost 2 years.  I have been on and off sleeping tablets for that entire time.  So far addiction hasn't been a problem for me. While I'm on a treatment that is working I can easily stop taking them, but then I have to go back on to them when that treatment stops working.

I've been off the sleeping meds for as long as nine months during that time, but currently I've been back on them now for a bit over a month. I swapped over from taking Tamazepam because that type if very hard to do a gradual reduction from without getting really severe withdrawals, and I'm now taking Diazepam (valium). It can still be as addictive, but because it has a much longer half life in your system you can do a gradual reduction without suffering too many withdrawal symptoms (at least I hope so)

I have a feeling that, at this stage anyway, stopping them won't be too much of a problem for me. Last week I was trying a new HRT and the first three nights were great, my hot flushes had reduced, and I didn't take any diazepam at all, but then it stopped working and I had to go back on to them again. 

I hate it and I hate taking them, but I try to take no more than 4mg each night, and less if I can manage it.  I also take melatonin and sometimes that can help as well. I've talked at length to my GP about taking these tablets and she never seems too concerned because she said I'm keeping my dosage very small. She tells me I'm beating myself up too much about it, and I've just got to go with the flow for the time being until I can find an HRT that will work for me, because I need to sleep.

I've always been an early riser, so I usually aim to take my meds by around 8.00pm, so I can be in bed by around 8.30pm. Then if it takes me a few hours to get to sleep at least I can still manage around 5 hours sleep. This has had an impact on my social life because I find I avoid going out at night because I stress if I get to bed too late.

What really bugs me if that while I'm watching TV my eyes will get really heavy and I'll be yawning like mad, but as soon as I turn the TV off it's like I get an instant adrenalin rush and I'm wide awake again. If I manage to go to sleep fairly early I will usually wake around 2am and not be able to go back to sleep, so I find that if I turn the TV on for an hour or two that will help me go back to sleep for a couple of hours.

Herbal and over the counter sleeping aids never work for me.  I've got a cupboard full of the things and they've been a complete waste of money.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on March 10, 2012, 08:02:35 AM
If I went to bed at 8.30 there is no way I could sleep beyond 1 a.m. I used to go to bed at around 11 and then lay awake or, worse, drop off to sleep until 4 and then be awake for good. I reasoned that my body was saying five hours was the longest I could sleep. I get up at 6 so it seemed logical to go to sleep at 1 so this is what I do. Since then I have slept much better - only waking up two or three times in those five hours - and I feel much calmer about it all.

How much sleep would you like to achieve Robyn? I have found that what is a good night's sleep for one person is an absolutely dreadful night's sleep for another. Most of the women I work with go to bed around 10 as they need their eight hours if possible but I have never been a good sleeper which is probably why I developed fibro. I would find it really restricting to go to bed as early as you have to - 8.30 is often when we are partway through our evening meal!

I hope that you find an HRT to help you soon. Is it sweats which wake you up by the way? I found that HRT did help in this way but didn't change my sleep pattern in any other way.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Trey on March 10, 2012, 09:35:22 AM
Up since 1am again wishing I had answers.  Just want to go back to sleep. Getting panicky.  May try Taz's method tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on March 10, 2012, 09:57:34 AM
I think the difference is that my sleep pattern has always been like this - well since I was in my teens anyway. I can recall five nights when I have slept right through and that is all. One of them was only two years ago and it was such a weird feeling to put my head on the pillow and then it was morning! I never have to get up to go to the loo so I am lucky there.

The nights can go on for ever sometimes and I lay there waiting for the alarm to sound! My eldest son is the same as me, unfortunately, and had real trouble sleeping as a baby which is also the same as me - I drove my parents to distraction with my inability to sleep properly. I feel that I am doing fine on my five hours but do wonder what a power-house of energy I would be on say seven or eight!

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: JustRenee on March 10, 2012, 10:57:54 AM
I recently read somewhere, don't ask me where ;), that doing a crossword puzzle or a sudoku before bed would help you to fall asleep. My immediate reaction was that this could not be as surely these would stimulate the brain. But being the gullible soul that I am I decided to try it. The first night I did a crossword puzzle and slept like a baby. The next I did a sudoku and the same result. I have been sleeping so well this past week and all because of puzzles!

I do know that watching TV last thing at night is horrible, all those flashing lights. You might think you are vegging out in front of the TV, but your brain is still very active - alpha brainwaves or something.

Sorry I am not in a very profound, scientific frame of mind today, so this post is rather vague!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on March 11, 2012, 06:40:36 AM

How much sleep would you like to achieve Robyn? I have found that what is a good night's sleep for one person is an absolutely dreadful night's sleep for another. Most of the women I work with go to bed around 10 as they need their eight hours if possible but I have never been a good sleeper which is probably why I developed fibro. I would find it really restricting to go to bed as early as you have to - 8.30 is often when we are partway through our evening meal!

I hope that you find an HRT to help you soon. Is it sweats which wake you up by the way? I found that HRT did help in this way but didn't change my sleep pattern in any other way.

Taz x

Until all this menopause stuff started I was always a really good sleeper. Ideally I would love to get around 7 hours continuous sleep, but it's been a long time since I've had that. Even before my insomnia started, I was one of those women who needed to pee about every two hours, but because I was such a good sleeper I would only half wake up, go to the loo and be back in bed and asleep within minutes.  The first time I was on HRT I found that the constant weeing thing did improve and lately it hasn't been as much of a problem either for some reason.

The HRT also really helped my sleep patterns and I slept like a baby, until the HRT stopped working. I think most of the time it's the hot flashes that's making me wake up. If I can get my insomnia and hot flushes under control, my ideal sleep pattern would be to go to bed around 10pm and get up around 5.30-6.30am, depending on whether I'm going to the gym or not. That's the other thing that has really upset my life. Because my sleep has been so crappy, I've really lost interest in exercising, and that is a Catch 22 of course. Hopefully I can get back to my exercise routine in the next couple of weeks. That would make me really happy.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on March 11, 2012, 06:46:19 AM
I recently read somewhere, don't ask me where ;), that doing a crossword puzzle or a sudoku before bed would help you to fall asleep. My immediate reaction was that this could not be as surely these would stimulate the brain. But being the gullible soul that I am I decided to try it. The first night I did a crossword puzzle and slept like a baby. The next I did a sudoku and the same result. I have been sleeping so well this past week and all because of puzzles!

I do know that watching TV last thing at night is horrible, all those flashing lights. You might think you are vegging out in front of the TV, but your brain is still very active - alpha brainwaves or something.

Sorry I am not in a very profound, scientific frame of mind today, so this post is rather vague!

Hmmmm – I might just try the crossword puzzle thing. I like doing crosswords, but I haven't done one for years. Like you, I would have thought it would “activate” the brain too much, but it's worth a try.

Interestingly, having a TV in the bedroom has never been an issue for me. I know people always say it's an absolute no-no, but for me it has never been in a problem, and in fact it actually helps me get to sleep sometimes. I guess everyone is different, but if I wake up during the night, and I feel wide awake, I will be able to get back to sleep a lot more quickly if I flick the TV on for a while, than if I just lay there tossing and turning.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cheeky on March 11, 2012, 09:10:51 AM
I do find that no coffee (I am a coffee junkie) after 3pm only water or herbal teas, plus no alcohol before bed, a glass with dinner seems ok, but that is it!
Also if I have too much carbohydrate with my evening meal it makes me have an awful sleep!

We are all so different aren't we!  I suppose it is all trial and error!

I always wake feeling as tired as when I go to bed - awful!

 :o x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rosebush on March 11, 2012, 09:57:49 AM
I also stick with the no wine, no carbs before bed, if we have dinner before 7pm on Fri/Sat i will have a small glass of red wine, but will not drink it any later..i do like to read and this does help me relax, and i do fall to sleep, until the hot sweats start. They are more often if i drink wine or have a late dessert.. :(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Christine662 on March 11, 2012, 10:16:38 AM
I can fall asleep on a washing line...its staying asleep is the problem.

Any ideas ladies.

Stumpy xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cook on March 12, 2012, 11:21:13 AM
have slept for 7hrs last three nights. Only woken once for the loo ....

have things turned a corner  ??? :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Christine662 on March 12, 2012, 11:32:33 AM
San... i'm not at all jealous!!!

Great though, hope it carries on for you.

Stumpy xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Christine662 on March 13, 2012, 07:07:44 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: yorkshirerose on March 19, 2012, 06:17:03 PM
My sleep is very erratic (need to go to the loo more), had my last period Jan 21st so 9 weeks now, had a few hot flashes and some very weird dreams about dead members of our family, mainly my Mum who died in 2009  :'(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: tropical-moment on March 19, 2012, 07:51:15 PM

Bed at 10pm, no problems getting to sleep BUT wake up at lest 4-5 times during the night. Awake at silly time 5.30am or 6am and can't get back to sleep.

Feel like a chewed up piece of string. I only work mornings, get home at 1pm have lunch, watch Dickinsons real deal and fall asleep either during or after the programme for half an hour or so, have been doing this for a week or so...

Meno Clinic upped my HRT from 1.5mg Indivina to 2.5mg Indivina in Feb due to me waking up sweating during the night.

Should i try a sleeping tablet at the weekend to try and get some quality sleep?

TM x 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on March 20, 2012, 12:39:24 AM

Meno Clinic upped my HRT from 1.5mg Indivina to 2.5mg Indivina in Feb due to me waking up sweating during the night.

Should i try a sleeping tablet at the weekend to try and get some quality sleep?

TM x 

If you've been on this HRT since Feb and you're still having trouble sleeping it could be that you might need to have your HRT reviewed again.

You could try sleeping tablets, but they can be a slippery slope. If you can keep to just taking them every so often they aren't really a problem, but I had really severe insomnia that meant I didn't sleep at all if I didn't take a sleeping tablet. That can create problems because you get reliant on them, and then you have to wean yourself off them later on, which is the stage that I'm now at.  However, you need to have good quality sleep, so if sleeping tablets are what will help with that then that's what you have to do - as I had to.

My suggestion is if you do take sleeping tablets take Diazepam (valium) as it has a much longer half life than other sleeping meds, which means that when(or if) you have to wean yourself off them you can reduce it much more slowly and in smaller increments without suffering too many side effects. There is a lot of information out there about withdrawing from sleeping meds and the first step that is always recommended is that you transfer from whatever you are currently taking to diazepam before you start reducing.

However, I would try getting your HRT reviewed first, because it should certainly help sort out sleeping problems, as long as you are on the right one.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on March 20, 2012, 01:05:07 AM
Hi Susan

No, it's actually the opposite. Diazepam has a really long half-life (up to 200 hours) which means it stays in your system for a long time, so that your body doesn't "crash" as quickly as it does with a lot of other sleeping meds. All sleeping meds are addictive, if you take them often enough, and that's the trap. You may intend only taking them on the odd occasion, but once you realise that you do get better sleep by using them, you tend to use them a lot more often, so you become hooked.

From memory zopiclone and tamazepam (which is the one I used to be on) have very short half-lives (probably less than 12 hour), so if you are hooked on them your body craves more really quickly, and that's when you start to suffer withdrawal symptoms. Of course if you do only take them on the odd occasion this shouldn't be a problem.

I wrote a faily long post about it on another thread, so I'll copy it here. I've also got a link to a website that can explain things a lot better than I can....lol.....

I did try zopiclone (brand name Imovane in Australia) but I didn't like it. It gave me a really bitter taste at the back of my throat and made everything I ate taste bitter and sour for at least half the following day.  In fact I almost threw out a brand new carton of milk because I thought it had gone off, until I realised it was probably the imovane causing it.

However, I hate to tell you this, but zopiclone can be just as addictive as any other kind of sleeping tablet. All sleeping drugs are non-addictive if used in very small qualities over a short period of time, but once you start using them for more than a week or two, because of a chronic problem like mine, it can lead to addiction. So if you are using zopiclone please be careful with it, and don't assume it is safer than any other kind of drug. It can be just as harmful as all the others.

There was a time that people thought it was better because it's a non-benzo, but attitudes have now changed. In fact, if you read anything about coming off zopiclone the advice is to switch over to diazepam anyway, because of the long half-life it has. It seems to be the go-to drug that medical people always recommend you switch over to if you are going to withdraw from any benzo or non-benzo.  Withdrawing directly from zopiclone isn't recommended because, like tamazepam, it has a very short half life (from memory less than 10 hours), which means your body "crashes" very quickly when it doesn't get the drug. Diazepam has a long half-life (up to 200 hours) which means that your body can slowly become accustomed to a smaller and smaller dose without suffering too many side effects.

You might like to have a look at this website. It is very interesting and gives information on just about anything you need to know about tranquiliser addiction.

http://www.non-benzodiazepines.org.uk/zopiclone.html (http://www.non-benzodiazepines.org.uk/zopiclone.html)

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: tropical-moment on March 20, 2012, 06:26:41 PM
Thanks Ladies.

Robyn,

This is my 5th HRT. Started 2.5 mg last Sep all was ok, Jan i felt unwell GP thought it may be due to going from 1.5 to 2.5... and told me to go back to 1.5mg But when i went to Meno clinic Dr said it was not HRT making me feel unwell....(it was stess) so back to 2.5mg. I have no other symptoms apart from waking during the night sometimes feeling hot...doesn't happen in the day.

Maybe se Gp and see if i can have Diazepam and try them at the weekend so i can catch up on some quality sleep.

TM



 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: silverlady on March 20, 2012, 06:49:15 PM
I must be the exception then I take zopiclone as and when needed and I have taken them for at least fourteen days at a time in the past, I have not taken any for nearly a month now and feel fine, I did find that the first night I did have some rebound insomnia but then was fine and have been sleeping like a log. If I feel very stressed for any reason and can't sleep I take half a zopiclone,  strong cup of coffee can stop me sleeping and cause panic type feelings in me, if I do occasionallu indulge in a strong costa type coffee I know the only way I will sleep that night is if I have a sliver of zopiclone. A course of zopiclone tends to last a long time for me.

Vallium to me is the scary drug and I think much harder to wean off, and it has been the one that I have avoided taking.

I think lack of sleep is the killer and you should not not be afraid to take zopiclone once in a while if your doctor has prrscribed it for you.

silverlady x

Melatonin is suggested as a substitite.

 I must say that I can't imagine a doctor presribing a long acting highly addictive drug like a Vallium for occasional sleeplessness.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on March 20, 2012, 09:41:02 PM
I must be the exception then I take zopiclone as and when needed and I have taken them for at least fourteen days at a time in the past, I have not taken any for nearly a month now and feel fine, I did find that the first night I did have some rebound insomnia but then was fine and have been sleeping like a log. If I feel very stressed for any reason and can't sleep I take half a zopiclone,  strong cup of coffee can stop me sleeping and cause panic type feelings in me, if I do occasionallu indulge in a strong costa type coffee I know the only way I will sleep that night is if I have a sliver of zopiclone. A course of zopiclone tends to last a long time for me.

Vallium to me is the scary drug and I think much harder to wean off, and it has been the one that I have avoided taking.

I think lack of sleep is the killer and you should not not be afraid to take zopiclone once in a while if your doctor has prrscribed it for you.

silverlady x

Melatonin is suggested as a substitite.

 I must say that I can't imagine a doctor presribing a long acting highly addictive drug like a Vallium for occasional sleeplessness.



Well, like I said, all sleeping meds are fine if taken in small doses or for a short period of time. However, no sleeping medication is non-addictive if it is taken long enough, even zopiclone. For some reason there seems to be a lot of misinformation being spread around about this drug, when it can be just as problematic as any other sleeping med. All I'm saying is that regardless of what drug you use, you need to use caution.

Of course not everyone is going to get addicted to it, just as not everyone will get an addiction to any other kind of sleeping med. I've also taken tamazepam for a fairly long period of time without any problems. Everyone is different and some will tolerate these meds very well and others will become addicted within days, and stopping cold turkey can have some very dire consequences. The problem is that you won't know what type of person you are until it is too late, so use with caution. However, it is a fact that if you do become addicted, and you need to slowly withdraw, diazepam is the one that is recommended to be used during the withdrawal period because of its half-life properties.

All I can do is pass on the information that has come from my doctor, and the information that is on that website (please read that website because it will explain why diazepam isn't harder to wean off from), and it is up to people to make their own choices. A lot of people do tend to have a very negative attitude towards valium simply because of the way it used to be prescribed back in the 60s, and that is why the word "valium" is rarely used these days. It can actually be quite a useful drug, if prescribed correctly - and I'll say again you really need to read that website to understand the benefits of diazepam.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on March 20, 2012, 09:52:15 PM


Maybe se Gp and see if i can have Diazepam and try them at the weekend so i can catch up on some quality sleep.

Well, you really need to be guided by your own doctor, because it would appear that doctors in various areas have completely different opinions. There does however seem to be some misinformation out there about how 'safe' zopiclone is. All you need to do is a bit of googling to see that that information isn't correct. I can only tell you what my research has told me, by reading various websites and by talking to my own doctor.

I don't want to be a scare-monger, but you really need to be aware of the risks with all medications you take, especially tranquilisers, so please don't automatically assume that any kind of sleeping medication is non-risk. They are all addictive if taken for long enough, and the time period needed for addiction will vary widely from person to person. For some people it could be months or even years, and for other people is could just be a couple of weeks or even less. You might start out fully intending to only take it on the weekends to catch up on some sleep, but then there's the temptation to start using it more regularly because you need to get a good night's sleep during the week because of work etc, and that's how you get hooked. It's really easy and it can happen really quickly.

I'm not saying don't take any sleeping medications. It was a life saver for me, because you need to sleep, and taking a pill definitely helps. I'm also not saying don't take zopiclone. Just be aware that it can be just as addictive as any other sleeping medication. There are risks with all of them, and be prepared for the fact that you might have to slowly wean yourself off them later on, and that could end up being easier for you with diazepam. That website link I gave explains all that, so please read the information on it so you can make own decision. There is a lot more information on that site other that just the page link I gave, plus there is a lot more information available if you just search for it.

I have no idea if I have an addiction to any of the sleeping meds I've taken, but because I was on zopiclone and tamezpam for a couple of months, I wasn't about to take any chances of stopping them suddenly because even in small doses for short periods of time there is the potential for serious side effects if you don't taper the dose down over a period of time - and that goes for any sleeping medication (ie seizures is just as one possible problem).

As silverlady suggested, you could also try melatonin. I also take that (between 2-4mg) and I find it helps when I do a reduction in the dose I take of diazepam. You could perhaps try it in preference to a sleeping med, because it might be enough to help you, and there are no side effects except maybe drowsiness in the morning if you take too much. I think the maximum dose that is recommended is 6mg, but you would need to check that with your GP.

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: saladgirl on March 26, 2012, 06:28:33 PM
I have trazadone which knock me out but dont leave me feeling groggy b ut up to now just take them 2 or 3 nights a week - however as i am 'teetering on the edge' due to VA the doc has suggested i take 1 am and 1 evening - if that and vagifem doesnt work the he prescribed sitraline!  Not too keen but something has got to work I am a complete shivering tearful sore wreck
 :'(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on March 26, 2012, 11:30:02 PM
I'm sorry that you're feeling this way saladgirl.  You need to go with the your doctor's recommendation and hopefully you will feel better soon. Have you discussed HRT with him?

I assume trazadone is an AD? Hopefully splitting the dose to am and pm will help.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: pixie on April 03, 2012, 09:57:35 PM
I was prescribed trazidone for sleep but it made me completely bunged up so that I would wake up in the middle of the night with a very dry mouth.  I now take 1mg of melatonin which I bought in USA, which really helped.  You can get it on-line but not sure which sites are legal?  It is prescribed as circadian by GPs in the over 55's! :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: nightwind on April 03, 2012, 10:32:10 PM
I've tried Zopiclone, Temazepan, Dormidina, and anything which has "May Cause Drowsiness" on the label. I now use Melatonin which is a supplement I buy in the States. I'm using 5mg.  It was taken off the market in the EU for some reason a while ago. (But then all of our homeopathic and natural remedies are at risk at the moment under the EU) It's prescribed for kids in the UK with chronic sleep disorders by Cons. Paeds. as it has no known adverse effects. By far, its the best sleeping aid I've tried and it seems to complement the HRT.  Try Walgreens or other large pharmaceutical chains in the States.  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on April 04, 2012, 12:13:22 AM
Yes melatonin is one of those "tricky" things to get a hold of. For some reason it is freely available in America, but in other countries it can be harder to get a hold of. I heard it had something to do with a bad batch causing some deaths in Japan, but that had more to do with the manufacturer than the actual product itself. It seems to be perfectly okay to push drugs on to people, but when it comes to something more “natural” they have a hissy fit.

In Australia you can get it on prescription only, so it is freely available, but you need to get it from your doctor. I use it as a compliment to HRT and while I'm reducing my dose of sleeping tablets. I take 2-4 mg for a couple of nights each time I do a reduction in the dose of the sleeping tablet I use to help me get used to the new dose. Hopefully within the next few weeks I'll be able to stop using it, and the sleeping tablets, all together.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 17, 2012, 10:09:25 PM
It is a few years since I posted here but thought I'd just like to say Hi and encourage all you ladies who have trouble with sleep. Believe me I had the worst experience of poor sleep when I was in the grip of the memo. Several years of terrible sleep - sometimes only 2 hours a night. I tried everything and HRT did work for me for quite a few years, but when I started trying to cut it down it would provoke an insomnia episode. I also tried amytriptiline but all that I'd was to eventually cause me to have an episode of irregular heartbeats - atrial fibrillation - which put me in hospital. The only thing that worked was zopiclone which I struggled to not get addicted to.
Anyway, all that is well behind me now and has been for about 3 years or so now. I am 60 now and I sleep well and normally every night. I no longer have the jitters, hot flushes, palpitations or any nasty meno symptoms at all. I am active and feel great and my weight has stabilised. I even have a decent sex life with my hubby  again! Courage ladies - there is life after all the horrors of the menopause and you gradually return to your normal self again. I honestly thought I would never survive it - I was so ill, stressed and miserable but here I am- out the other side. So hang in there - there is light at the end of the tunnel! Love and sympathy to you all xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on April 18, 2012, 05:26:14 AM
Thanks Suzie. Insomnia is the thing that I really struggle with. It seems to be the most difficult problem to overcome. Hot flushes seem to be easily fixed with HRT, but it doesn't always seem to help the insomnia.

Things aren't too bad for me at the moment, but I still have to take sleeping tablets and have just started on ADs, plus I'm also trying magnesium which seems to help a bit.

I've been going through all this for almost two years (come September), so I just hope I don't have to go through it for too many more years.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bette on April 18, 2012, 08:21:44 AM
Great post, suzieQ.  :thankyou:
Maybe you should post it on a new thread so that more will see it? So many ladies would love to read about meno "success story."   ;)
Bette x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: silverlady on April 18, 2012, 10:15:16 AM
SuzieQ I remember you posting a few years ago, your post is so encouraging, sleep was my main menopause symptom (though I still think stress has still a lot to do with my periods of not sleeping still, usually to do with OH ::))

I do think to much estrogen has a lot to do also with insomnia as it it excites the brain, once the hormones settle down to a much lower level a lot of women find they are much calmer and sleep returns. I swear I know when my estrogen levels are higher even now as I get a jittery and caffeinated feeling in my head even without the coffee. I usually end up taking my patch off and it calms down. I have almost a full pack of zopiclone and if I ever do get desperate I would not hesitate to take  "sliver" it usually breaks the cycle too.

It is true you you eventually return to your normal self and I am so glad you posted.

silverlady x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Sleepless D on April 18, 2012, 03:52:56 PM
Hi Suzy Q,

Thanks so much for your posting. I too suffer with insomnia since my hyst in June. It is so fantastic to hear that you feel so well now.

My GP said the same thing to me this morning. This will not last forever!

I also have periods where I have to rely on sleeping meds. Not nice but got to survive.

So so glad you feel so well.

Sleepless D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Christine662 on April 19, 2012, 07:07:09 AM
Hi

Has anyone tried Magnesium OK? Is it any good for anxiety/sleeping issues?

I read somewhere that Magnesium can cause heartburn...?

Thanks

Stumpy xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on April 19, 2012, 08:13:58 AM
Hi Stumpy

I'm trying magnesium at the moment. It's supposed to be good for insomnia, but I'm not sure if it's working or not. For the last few nights my sleep has been really bad again, so I don't think it's helping. Tonight I'm increasing my AD dose to a full tablet instead of half (the GP said I could do that), so I'm hoping that might make an improvement.

If you try magnesium you might just have to play around with the time you take it.  Apparently if you take it too late in the day it can give you an energy boost. I've been taking about 300mg at breakfast and today I've also taken 300mg at lunchtime. So I'll have to see how I go tonight.

To be perfectly honest with you, I think when it comes to hormonal insomnia nothing much really works - well not for me anyway......:(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Christine662 on April 19, 2012, 02:23:00 PM
Thanks Robyn

Heres hoping you get a lovely sleep tonight!!

I stress about my sleep, which to me is bad, but readign how bad it is for some of you ladies Ive got it easy.

I always used to sleep straight through for 8-9 hrs. And have a kip on weekend afternoons...no chance now. I fall asleep ok but its staying asleep is the problem for me. Wake every hour or 2, not for long but its broken sleep.

Stumpy xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on April 19, 2012, 09:05:15 PM
My sleep was awful last night. I really wish I could find a solution. HRT doesn't seem to be it because I tried all sorts and am currently trying patches.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Christine662 on April 20, 2012, 06:44:13 AM
Hi Mrs P

Yes loooong nights not good. Feels lonely doesnt it?

Hi Robyn

Bless you I really feel for you, have you tried a cup of chamomile tea at bed time?

Stumpy xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on April 20, 2012, 08:23:00 AM
Hi Stumpy

Yes I've tried all the recommended remedies, but nothing seems to work. I don't read very much, but the other night I did the old "turn off the telly and read until you feel sleepy" thing. After about half an hour I felt sleepy, but as soon as I turned out the light I was no longer sleepy.

Going to talk to my GP about referring me to a sleep specialist. She mentioned it a couple of weeks ago and I think it's what I will have to do.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: oldsheep on April 20, 2012, 04:53:44 PM
good luck Robyn. I am the world's worst sleeper married to the world's best. Very annoying. He could sleep pegged to a washing line, as a friend of mine says.

I take 400mgs magnesium in the morning. Found it made the insomnia worse if taken at night, although some people find different. Hope it helps you.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on April 20, 2012, 10:23:29 PM
Hi OS

I'm not sure if the magnesium is helping or not. I take about 400mg as well (300 in a mag tablet, plus another 117mg in my calcium tab). I take mine in the morning as well because I read that it can give an energy boost to some people. I also bought some stuff on line called "sleep minerals" which is supposed to be good, but you're supposed to take it at night, but I haven't been game to try it yet because it's magnesium and I don't want it to create more insomnia problems that I've already got.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Astolat on April 25, 2012, 07:05:45 PM
Thanks for such an encouraging message suzieQ. I'm really struggling with insomnia at the moment, fed up with feeling constantly exhausted. My GP is of the opinion that we women need to buckle up and get on with it, he's not very sympathetic at all, so it's great to read all the tips and comments in this forum.

At the moment I'm sleeping on two Chillows (but they heat up too quickly and aren't very comfortable) and using a fleece blanket that I can throw off or pull over me through the night. A large pack of baby wipes and a fan are always at hand. I still can't sleep for more than two hours at a time. On the positive side I'm getting through a lot of books and enjoying late night radio!

In a perverse way it's nice to know that I'm not the only lying awake at night!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 26, 2012, 01:04:58 AM
Hi Astolat - nice to meet you and I'm glad my post helped to encourage you that this does end and normality returns eventually. Insomnia is a terrible thing and for me the worst aspect of the menopause as I always loved my bed and good sleep was something  I took for granted! I think temperature control and breathing/ relaxation are key issues and it's good you have strategies to help you. I learned all sort of breathing and relaxation techniques to help me plus I used an eye mask ( a nice soft comfy one) and lavender oil on everything. A banana and milk at bedtime are full of tryptophan which makes you drowsy. One thing I used to do was hide the clock so I didn't get stressed, and I would go on favourite walks in my head - imagining every step of the way on familiar routes from my early life. I did end up taking tiny amounts of zopiclone after I came off HRT for a year or two ( not every night but when I needed I good sleep) but managed to stop that about a year ago. Not had any trouble sleeping since! I don't beat myself up about that, I never needed more than a tiny piece of the lowest dose tablet, and when I was still working I needed to sleep! Other helpful things were a good walk every day, fresh air whenever possible and dim lights in the evening everywhere in the house. And no heavy or serious discussions at bed time! When I wake to go to the loo now I quickly pray for ALL the MM ladies lying awake or struggling with poor sleep that true rest would come back to them. Lots of love and positive vibes xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 26, 2012, 01:11:12 AM
PS late night reading and radio are great I agree! My best book recently was "The Help" by Kathryn Stockett and I download podcasts and listen on my iPod with headphones - Melvyn Bragg and Stephen Fry have the most soporific voices! Xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: suzieQ on April 26, 2012, 10:39:54 PM
Hi MP well I got on fine with it but I have lived in the USA so mayb more familiar with the dialect. I think it's easy to follow and gets easier as you tune in to the different voices". I also heard it as an audiobook with several different actresses reading the different characters and that was marvellous. One of my best books  of 2011!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bette on April 27, 2012, 07:56:40 AM
Maybe you should ask to be referred to a sleep clinic, Susan?  ???
Bette x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 27, 2012, 04:49:54 PM
Hi Susan - do you think you actually need more sleep? I only ask because I now only need five hours. I spent ages trying to beat it and all to no avail. Eventually, once I started going to bed at 1 then five hours took me to 6 which is an ok time to get up. I have never slept well though - always woken every forty minutes to an hour for a few minutes. I remember going to bed at 11 and then having to lay there awake from 4 a.m. waiting until it was time to get up.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 27, 2012, 08:19:15 PM
I have fibro too which I suppose is understandable given the sleep problems! I just came to the conclusion that it is like a lot of things during meno and during life itself. To fight it is a natural reaction but sometimes the stress caused by laying awake for hour after hour is more than the stress caused by accepting that you will be sleeping less and so going to bed later maybe to reduce those awake in bed hours.  I find that if I sleep in an extra hour at weekends I feel dreadful even though a part of me thinks I should make up for lost sleep. My body seems to be saying that five hours is what I need so that's what I am going with at the moment. My GP says this is why I have gained weight - not enough sleep and not eating enough -but maybe one day it will all even out.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Astolat on May 02, 2012, 01:12:33 PM
Thanks for your lovely reply SuzieQ. :thankyou:
 I'm very lucky as I have three days off out of every seven, so on my free days if I'm home I make sure I have a snooze in the afternoon to help me to catch up. I'll try the banana and milk idea, I've also heard that milk with honey and nutmeg is good. I do walk a lot as it helps my high blood pressure too. I used to do Tai Chi and find the deep breathing exercises help me to relax and nod off at night but I'm awake again in two hours.

Fingers crossed that my GP can come up with something soon. I wouldn't mind taking sleeping tablets short term but would rather manage the insomnia some other way if possible.

Hope you're all having a good day!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Farmer on May 05, 2012, 01:14:57 AM
About 6 years ago I was prescribed Zopiclone for insomnia... and 6 years later, Im hooked on it.  I simply cannot sleep without it.  Despite taking Zopiclone, Im waking all through the night due to hot flushes and 9/10 times I cant get back to sleep for at least 2 hours.  If I do get back to sleep, Im waking ready to start the day about 5am.  Im exhausted all the time.

Im also furious at my GP for prescribing the Zopiclone in the first place.  I remember her telling me they weren't addictive... um, yeah right.  I have since changed Dr, but Im sooo tempted to write her a letter telling her what she has done to me.  I hope she has stopped prescribing them willy nilly.  Grrr stupid woman!

I said in January, my new years resolution was to get off the Zopiclone by the end of the year.  Im no where near ready to even try due to other stresses at the moment, but I would like to try in a couple of months.

Anyway, for all you ladies that have problems sleeping... I feel your pain.  Stay away from the Zopiclone though! 

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on May 05, 2012, 04:17:25 AM
Hi Farmer

Yes I'm also very annoyed at doctors who perpetuate this myth that zopi isn't addictive. It is just as addictive as any other prescribed sleeping medication. You may find it difficult to withdraw by using zopi alone. The recommendation for withdrawing from any benzo or non-benzo is to transfer over to an equivalent dose of diazepam as you can get it in much smaller dosed tablets (it's available in 2mg tablets which can easily be cut into quarters), and it also has a much longer half-life, so you can wean yourself off it very slowly and in very small increments.
 
You are probably suffering from rebound insomnia, but of course you do need to be in a relaxed state of mind if you are going to try withdrawing from the zopi, and if you've got a lot of stresses going on at the moment, now's probably not the time.

What sort of dosage are you taking? You would need to talk to your doctor about what the equivalent diazepam dose is, but I think it's approx 15mg of zopi = 10mg diazepam. You might also benefit from a prescription for a sedating antidepressant to help you while you're withdrawing. I've posted this link before, but it's worth posting again.

http://www.non-benzodiazepines.org.uk/zopiclone.html
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Farmer on May 05, 2012, 08:28:47 PM
Thanks Robyn and Susan.

Im only taking 1/2 tablet each night (3.25mg) at the most... I refuse to take any more than that because I just know I will eventually end up taking a full tablet... then 2 etc.  I have only ever taken 3.25mg and it hasnt stopped working yet.  Its the hot flushes thats waking me.  Ive done a bit of reading, including reading that link Robyn and yup I think Im in for some hard times re. getting off Zopiclone.  I've been so so very tired lately that I actually thought a couple of nights ago I could go to sleep with no Zopiclone.  I almost did it... until BAM a hot flush hits.  Its sooo frustrating. 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on May 05, 2012, 09:25:23 PM
Are you taking anything for the hot flushes, like HRT? I'm struggling to find an HRT that will help with my sleep problems, but at least I don't get hot flushes any more. Maybe if you can get the flushes under control you might have a better chance of reducing the zopi.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: jgr on May 05, 2012, 09:39:10 PM
I struggled with night sweats and it didn't matter what i tried to do with room temp etc nothing worked until i went to the menopause clinic and was given evoril conti patches and hey presto no more night sweats.

I have so much more energy it is great and best night sleeps every night.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Cheeky on May 06, 2012, 12:11:52 AM
It is 1.09am and I am still wide awake - don't even feel tired  ::)

Kept waking last night, at 3.25am was so irritated then must have fallen asleep after what felt like hours, then woke at 8am - felt like a zombie all day  :o
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Farmer on May 06, 2012, 01:18:36 AM
Hi Robyn and Morwenna.

I prefer to take the natural route, so take natural progesterone cream.  It helped with hot flushes initially, but they are back with a vengeance, although in saying that when they did lessen, I didn't use so much cream.  Im trying to use it regularly at the moment, in the hope it will stop the flushes again.  If this fails, I think I will look into the HRT.  I can't carry on having very little sleep.  I work full time, have had a relationship break up and Im just not coping very well some days because Im just so tired.

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: JulesJ on May 08, 2012, 10:01:18 PM
I had a problem a few years ago with falling asleep, then waking about 2 or 3am and being unable to get back to sleep. Very depressed at the time.
I have an alarm clock/radio with a timer on the radio, and found that if I put the radio on a nice mellow station, very quietly for 30mins, that did the trick.

No longer depressed, but still use that trick to get me off to sleep. Works like a charm for me.  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Astolat on May 08, 2012, 11:39:14 PM
Seems like we're all going through the same thing. I can't get off to sleep at all tonight but I know getting ratty about it is only going to make it worse. Usually sleep soundly for two hours and then I'm awake for two hours...usually drop off to sleep around 4am and have three hours before I need to get up again.

My Dr is slow to recommend anything  ???

Hope we all get a good nights sleep soon - feel 100% better after seven hours sleep! Sweet (and flush free) dreams everyone!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: janine on June 05, 2012, 03:06:06 PM
 :) i take menopace night and it helps! have slept so much better since taking these and the night sweats have all but gone!  ;D hope this helps x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Charity on June 06, 2012, 07:41:19 PM
Hi

I'm new to the forum and I'm still finding my way around. It's so good to know that I'm not alone.
I've been struggling with poor sleep for about 4years and I really want to keep things as natural as possible.

Can anyone clarify what 'natural progesterone' is ....is it plant? ...animal? .....and how natural is natural. I'm 45 and with two older sisters that can't help me as they still have regular periods and a mum who had a full hysterectomy at 44.

Any help would be great. :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: silverlady on June 07, 2012, 08:47:18 AM
Charity this might help

http://www.npis.info/howtoobtain.htm

silverlady x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Charity on June 07, 2012, 10:59:38 AM
Thank you Ladies

Those sites were really helpful. I'm going to consider buying the natural progesterone if I find that I'm not coping. At present I'm having warm flushes and I'm coping with the disturbed sleep.

 :) :)x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Robyn on June 08, 2012, 07:00:55 AM
The problem though Charity is that if you are suffering from insomnia and hot flushes it's the oestradiol (oestrogen) you actually need. The progesterone is really only needed to protect the uterus.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: everyones mum on June 16, 2012, 08:14:50 PM
I have started walking 2 miles a day and I think it is helping me sleep. If I miss a day or 2 of walking then I dont sleep very well at all. x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: pixie on June 19, 2012, 10:23:01 PM
Hot flushes and sleep problems have increased this week. I think it has been very warm weather, which seems to make it worse, but everyone at work saying its cold! . Cat napping most of the last night, covers off and covers on. Cotton sheet, thin quilt. :-\ Boiling one minute, freezing the next!  Palpatations. Alert in the day surprisingly!  Haven't drunk any coffee this morning, only 2 cups of tea at breakfast.  Will see if it makes any difference. 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: EAB on June 20, 2012, 10:03:00 AM
Pixie
Oh I sympathise. I am exactly the same except I feel so tired during the day. Are you on HRT?
Anne B
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: pixie on June 23, 2012, 04:54:44 AM
Hi Anne,  No I'm not on HRT, because of maternal history of breast cancer.  To be honest, the main problem I have is with sleeping.  Last night was dreadful again - went to sleep at 12.15, awake again at 1.30am, 2.30am, 4am and have been awake since about 4.30am.  I was exhausted last evening, but felt wide awake during the night - difficult to explain.  I don't sweat a lot, like some of the poor ladies, on here, but just feel very hot and uncomfortable, then the shivering wakes me up. The hot flushes seem to increase at this time of year. Now I have got up and will probably have another headache later on. Will get up and go for a walk as it is at least nice and sunny this morning. I think I might have a sleep disorder.  A lot of it is due to life stress in general!  I am due to go on holiday in a week, so will see if it improves then.  I hope you are feeling a bit better? XX :) I think I will go and get a clock radio, as someone suggested and some magi cool spray. I think the lack of sleep makes you feel low in mood, although luckily not depressed.  I try not to worry about it because maybe I don't need so much sleep now I am getting on!  I am hoping to make up for it in the winter, which is what happened last year.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: pixie on June 23, 2012, 08:32:10 AM
Went back to sleep for another 2 and a half hours and had a good deep sleep!  Feel better but could've carried on!  I wonder if it would make a difference to work at night and sleep in the day.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: EAB on June 23, 2012, 08:45:44 AM
Pixie
Glad you got a wee snooze. I did sleep a bit last night but woke up very early boiling hot. Still hot and a bit woozy and feel very lethargic. I have to keep a bottle of water at my bedside as I am so thirsty at night.
Hope you have a better night tonight.
Anne B
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: pixie on June 23, 2012, 09:10:18 AM
Thanks Anne, and i hope you do too. X ;)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Lindseyr on June 30, 2012, 08:03:56 AM
Hi Pixie I really can understand how you are feeling. I feel pretty tired most of the time but appear bright and alert during the day- how odd. I don't have a problem in falling asleep but the flushes and sweats wake me 3 times a night or so. I wake up cold, wet and shivering or boiling hot and always wanting a drink of water. I'm not on HRT as I have to wait to see a gynae consultant due to my age and my GP's reluctance. Take care. xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: pixie on June 30, 2012, 05:57:57 PM
Hi everyone - I hope you all feeling ok?  I bought the Boots cool spray for nights, but keep forgetting to spray, when I wake up in a befuddled confusion.  Mum gave me one of these older peoples pamphlets that come in the newspaper about a so called chilled topper mattress thingy!  Can't see how this will help if we are blowing hot and cold and night!  I think my hot flushes have become more frequent, at just turned 51years although not severe,  the heart starts galloping and I try to do lots of deep breathing! Its just a very odd feeling of being absolutely exhausted and then strangely very awake when trying to sleep.  I'm going to see what happens when on two week holiday as I think some of our problems with the menopause are also to do with other stresses in our lives.  Years ago I learnt a technique called transcendental meditation, so may try and start doing that again and will let you know if any good!  I do hope we all sleep better tonight. ;)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: swimfan on August 02, 2012, 03:03:26 PM
I am fairly new into the peri-menopause but in the last 6 months or so have noticed the sleep disruption thing.  I seem to wake up round about 2-3am generally and then again about 6 or 7am (I'm a student at the moment so not doing a regular getting up at X time for work).  Sometimes it settles down and I'll get a deep, whole night's sleep but I would say that was rare.  The disruption can go on for a couple of weeks solid and I'm incredibly grumpy as a result.  Then, if I get one night's good sleep, it's like a new person has emerged, making me realise the impact the disruption is having on my well-being.  Interesting to see people using Kalms so I will try that.  Fortunately I don't take long to get back to sleep generally, although sometimes I just have to read for a couple of hours, but that's rare thankfully.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: thenunn on August 27, 2012, 04:29:47 PM
i bought some supa strenght sleep aid from tescos today. was reading on the box, and what did it say,WARNING may cause drowsiness (hope so or ive wasted my money )
     ;D hehehe thanks for that I needed a giggle  ;D

Hi I'm new to this site and am so glad I found it !! I am waking up a 2-3 times a night and sometimes just dont bother trying to get back to sleep,but I'm lucky and medically retired,so not working at the mo.
I think I'm entering a new stage of peri as am noticing new things,mainly flushes, and serious night sweat !!! I thought it was the pain med I just got put onto ..but no ..its mother nature...
So looking for tips and it looks like my coffee has to go apart from my am one..so sad as i love my real coffee. I am finding relaxation music and deep breathing helpful,but nothing seems to help sweats  :-X 
jan 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: pixie on September 01, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
Night night ladies, lets hope we all have a better night tonight!  I'm going to come away from the bright screen earlier tonight, to wind down and may read my book for a while instead.  :ange::X
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on September 02, 2012, 08:47:02 AM
Did your Plan of Campaign work?  I slept heavily with very busy, involved dreams ........ again!  But at least I went through from 11.30 p.m. until 6.40 a.m.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: pixie on September 02, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
No it didn't work last night :-\  I was worrying about something that bothered me yesterday, but it has resolved today.  Try again. CLKD your night sounded like heaven to me!! :)

Night night all - hope you all have a better night.  8) xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jemima on November 22, 2012, 02:36:05 AM
how am i coping with poor sleeping? not very well im afraid....went to sleep an hour ago with a bit of indigestion, and woke up after a horrific nightmare about ten mintes ago..im now sat up in the spare room having taken two rennies and waiting for them to work before trying to drift off again....


some nights im just 'wide awake' as soon as my head hits the pillow....its no fun as you know...i dont have sweats as such but i do go shivery and then feel too warm ten minutes later....... ::)

its all just really irritating. at the mo i have issues with my shoulder and hip aching so ive rested for two days. and im sure it hasnt helped at all with the pain or insomnia!

 ::) ::) ::)

oh well...here i go again, trying to fall asleep...still got to wait for rennies to work tho!

night ladies hope you are all fast asleep and dreaming of Brad Pitt or whoever floats your boat  ;)

Jem x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: bathbombe on January 14, 2013, 01:46:57 AM
Well, as it is now 1.30 in the morning and I put the bedroom lights out at 10.30 the answer is not very well...

I've always been a poor sleeper and now its got worse. Although I do all the right wind down stuff before bed time, but when i snuggle down, it is like a switch goes 'ping' and I am wide awake. Very awake, horribly alert. And it can last for hours. I have even on occasions been awake all night, dozing off at about 6.00, 30mins before alarm goes off.  It is torture and I get very miserable. The temptation to go back to bed in the morning once family have left for the day is huge, but then that mucks up my sleep cycle even more. The alternative is a day of bad temper and irritability.  I guess it is adrenalin surges but why always at night? I am managing the rest of the wretched meno OK, but this is the pits. Absolute pits. On the rare occasions I do go to sleep and stay asleep for more than 4/5 hours the feeling the next morning is so wonderful!

Sorry for the rant. I don't usually get online in the middle of the night but I need to get if off my chest. And if anyone else out there is also suffering from sleeplessness, then I send you hugs and sympathy.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: purplenanny on January 14, 2013, 03:17:33 PM
Hi Bathbombe, I hope you managed to get some sleep after all last night. It's fine to rant - sometimes it helps.

I have nights like you describe and that switch coming on as your head hits the pillow is awful. I can be as tired as anything and it still happens!

I am going to try some audio storiy cd's in the hope it will distract my active brain!

Let me know if you find a remedy.

Purplenanny x x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: bathbombe on January 14, 2013, 07:45:33 PM
Thanks purplenanny. It was a grim night - only dozed for a couple of hours between 4-6! Am trying to stay calm and not think about tonight...

Audio story books might be a good thing for me to try (but the only ones we have in the house right now are Roald Dahl! -or perhaps that might work...  :)


Sleep well everyone!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on January 15, 2013, 05:24:01 PM
I wonder if you are going to bed too early? What time do you have to get up?  I have found that by going to bed at midnight/1 a.m. I sleep much better for around five hours. This takes me to 6ish which is my getting up time anyway. It is far better than going to sleep at 10.30 and then waking up at half three. As long as I get five hours nowadays I am fine. Also, resist the temptation to fall asleep early evening or during the afternoon if you are at home. This mucks up your sleep pattern totally. At weekends it is important to keep to the same pattern too. Don't have a lay in but get up at your normal time.

I'm not sure if there is anything useful in this link - I haven't read through all of it but there might be something that helps http://www.womentowomen.com/fatigueandstress/insomnia.aspx

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: kes on February 10, 2013, 09:30:52 AM
I agree, do NOT be tempted to have a little nap during the day - especially in the afternoon or evening, as this is going to mess with your next night's sleep.  Also, try and get at least one good period of physical activity during the day, preferably in the open air, such as a walk, or gardening.

I have a collection of soothing music CDs which I often play quietly at bedtime (my husband does not mind, but if you have a partner you could try those headband earphones for wearing in bed).  This also helps mask my tinnitus. 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: pixie on February 22, 2013, 07:07:58 AM
Hi ladies,

I had a years during my forties, when I slept badly and kept waking throughout the night. Since I became menopausal, no periods for a year, this has all stopped and now I sleep well. So, don't worry too much, because it does pass and you make up for it. :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: jax on February 24, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
poor sleeping was my worst symptom before HRT.
had horrid sweats, palpitations and joint painand between them was lucky to get 2 hours before spending rest of night in 1 state or another.
HRT improved the sweats and palpitations/nightmares etc and untill recently even the pains untill 6am ish.
The last 3 months the hip pains are back and I worked out today that I am awake and turning over 8-10 times a night again which explains me being tired during day. I am going to start taking Ibupofen again at bed time as this helped ward it off for a few more hours before.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Meggie on March 17, 2013, 05:11:57 PM
Hello All

Not been on here for ages but not doing too good with sleeping .... or staying awake - confused? Read on.

Usual bedtime between 11 and midnight.  Lovely comfy bed with memory foam mattress and pad which is great to get into .... and stay in ........ but during the night I wake, sometimes following horrific nightmares .... don't know why and cannot associate the nightmares with my experiences and on occasions I wake shaking or even crying.  I am sometimes frightened to go back to sleep too. 

When I get up in the morning by the time I have had breakfast, I am slowing down and starting to feel tired - why, I've done nothing ?

So, how do I deal with problems in sleeping - well, I don't know how and I haven't the energy to sort it out at the moment.  I wonder if I have the 'crashing fatigue' thingy?  This menopause process has been going on 10 years TOO long

Meggie
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on March 17, 2013, 05:16:02 PM
Hi Meggie - how distressing for you. Do you take any medication which may have vivid dreams/nightmares as a side effect?

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Meggie on March 17, 2013, 05:33:20 PM
Hi Taz

I take medication for high blood pressure and for the last 6 months have had to take a 1 a day tablet as my potassium levels had dropped (blood pressure tabs cause this effect sometimes).  I think the tabs for potassium have also upset my bowels ..... 'go' too often nowadays !  Sorry, probably too much information.  I'm so tired.

Meggie
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Susza on March 17, 2013, 11:44:39 PM
i have found an antihistamine like a Piriton, the old style ones that make you sleepy can help.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Ladycherie on April 17, 2013, 06:59:02 PM
I'm on HRT and its the best thing I've ever done.

Im 57. I had no adverse symptoms of menopause except thinning hair and night sweats. A low dose of Celeste has sorted all that out...no weight gain or other nasty side effects. Been on them for about 2 years. Hair is thicker now and no night sweats at all....BUT .... the sleeplessness is a nightmare ( no pun untended!)

I tried all the usual approaches to no avail. My restlessness was also keeping my husband awake. Now I take One-a-Night Nytol. Problem solved. A wonderful complete nights sleep with no morning grogginess. No prescription needed, just ask the pharmacist for them. They are intended for short term use only but unless I find something better I will continue with them fairly regularly as I believe the benefit of decent sleep outweighs the risks.

Just thought I would share that with you.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 17, 2013, 09:29:37 PM
Hi Ladycherie - welcome to the forum.

I have never heard of Celeste HRT - are you in the UK - or do you mean Elleste? Just curious! Thanks for the Nytol tip.

Why not introduce yourself under new members. I am sure other members will want to welcome you.

Taz  :welcomemm:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jemima on April 21, 2013, 10:39:38 PM
the thing that works for me is a cup of hot milk. sounds silly but it really helps to calm me down, stops and tummy grumbles or indigestion i may have and i nod off within an hour usually...might be worth a try girls?
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jemima on April 21, 2013, 10:40:32 PM
organic milk only tho! normal milk has long been connected to breast cancer so i avoid it if i can  :o
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 22, 2013, 03:59:42 PM
There has always been talk of high fat milk being linked to breast cancer but nothing seems to have been proved Jemima. Is organic milk low fat? This is the latest news on dairy and cancer http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21803580

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jemima on April 23, 2013, 12:11:57 AM
i heard it ages ago and also from my mother in law who was told to onky drink organic milk, if any, after she had recovered from breast cancer.

just found this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1022266/Drinking-organic-milk-cut-risk-heart-disease-cancer.html

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: pixie on April 28, 2013, 08:37:27 AM
Has anyone else noticed that they sleep worse when the Spring starts?  It must be the lighter and slightly warmer weather, but it happens to me every April. I am awake on and off during the night and can't decide if hot or cold!!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: ColleenD on May 02, 2013, 05:10:05 AM
Well I didn't associate my bad sleeping habits with menopause symptoms but is it just coincidence that I have just started hrt (two nights ago) and for the past two nights I have slept all the way through!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: yorkshirerose on June 27, 2013, 05:17:52 AM
on my longest period break so far - 4 months....turned 50 this month and my sleeping habits are all over the place, regularly wake up at 3ish then feel shattered all day, also recently moved house so that hasn't helped, don't really want to go down the HRT route but desperately need a good night's sleep....... :'(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CAT on August 01, 2013, 02:07:44 PM
I've had poor sleep for years, and am a night owl. However, I've just finished a 5 week sleep clinic here in London. So here's some tips for all you insomniacs.
1. Keep a sleep diary.
2. Get up at the same time every morning, that includes weekends - setting your rising time is key to better sleep.
3. Remove all electronic devices from your bedroom, and use blackout blinds/curtains.

One of the best pieces of information I received was that it's perfectly normal to wake up numerous times during the night, and that one doesn't necessarily need 8 hours sleep per night.

Here's a good book title I found, that has all the necessary information: overcoming insomia - buy here on Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1845290704/menopausema0e-21)

Good luck!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: ladybug50 on August 30, 2013, 11:52:22 PM
Hallo ladies...just thought I would add my Tuppence worth.
Am now dousing my self in Magnesium Oil spray and my Bed in Lavender Linen spray. Seems to do the trick.
Have had probs with Restless legs, so I rub the Mag Oil onto them too before bed.
Don't know why it works.. but it seems to.
 :hug:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: purplenanny on August 31, 2013, 08:26:29 AM
Thanks Ladybug, think I will give it a try. PN x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: orrla on September 23, 2013, 10:29:11 AM
Hi

In haste, with no time to read the whole thread but wonder what is it GPs recommend now days for poor sleep to ladies like us? Can someone brief me, please?

I am asking because I've just received a letter from my surgery, from the Practice Support Pharmacist, calling me in, saying that because I've been taking zopiclone for awhile it will not be prescribed to me anymore. They call me to review all of my medicines!! I am on high dose HRT.  Apparently the Scottish Executive is worried that I might be experiencing addiction, memory loss and falls. Considering that I've just completed my Masters Degree course (full-time, high grades), with me such is clearly not a case but... it smells to me that because I am 58 ... that's it! ???

Thus I wonder - can they just say 'you will no longer get HRT and sleeping tablets' and send me to misery demanding I'll go dry?  I will not be able to work! What GPs offer, other than chamomile tea, for sleeping problems?

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: purplenanny on September 23, 2013, 05:10:37 PM
Hi Orrla
First of all, many congrats on your Masters - wow, amazing!

I am 58 in December and have been prescribed Zoplicone for sleeping. It works so well. I only take one tablet and never for more than 4 days in a row. My GP is worried I will be addicted and suggested Piriton as an alternative but it did not work.
I am currently trying Nytol, which is an over the counter herbal remedy and this does seem quite good. I hate the smell of them (hops I think) but will persevere.
I revert to Zoplicone if I have had a few rough nights with pain.

I am in the South East so prob different from Scotland maybe? But, I don't think it is right that you should suddenly be declined the medication
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: orrla on September 25, 2013, 12:36:50 PM
Thank you Purplenanny! :) I don't think I would be able to cope if I had no tablets. Although I can manage without there come situations when taking one is the best way of assuring full night sleep. I can't think straight without sleeping enough, am more stressed and become erratic. Why can't I be helped?

I'll try Nytol, and see what happens. But, if zopiclone causes momory loss and falls, why can't I be prescribed any other which doesn't? We are in 21st century - why there are no appropriate remedies available to us yet?!!  Was developing Viagra more important?! Wrrrr :(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rowan on September 25, 2013, 01:34:40 PM
Makes me laugh when they say you will become addicted, surely if Piriton works for you and you keep taking it for sleep, then why is that not classed as an addiction!

Surly an addiction is if you have to take more and more of a bigger dose to get decreasing effects, zopiclone does not work like that.

Personally Piriton makes me feel awful and irritable the times I have taken if for allergies and a feeling of being drugged. They gave it to OH in hospital for a rash he developed and he was like a zombie.

They reason they say zopiclone effects memory is because it can interefere with REM sleep, the trick is to take it only when needed and at the smallest dose that works for you. Older people should take care with Zopiclone as it can effect them differently.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on September 25, 2013, 01:36:35 PM
I have bad nights.  Last night ........ bed by 9.45 after a lovely bath, chat with DH before he went to sleep ....... he was 'fishing' i.e. throwing his casting arm in my direction so I had to keep ducking out of the way of his elbow  ::) ..... so from dozey ready to sleep I was wide awake, plus having a cold ....... at 2.30 up for a cuppa and Nurofen ; again at 6.30 ........ usually I read, do NintendoDS, used to watch TV but the flashing screen makes him jump .......... magazines to catch up on but those rattle as I turn the pages  ;)

Other nights I seem to go through th enight, even if up for a bathroom visit I go straight back to sleep.  Usually I can accept that 'this is a non-sleepy night' .........

Nytol  :sick02:  ...... I use antii-sea sickness tablets if I need  a good night's sleep.  One night I can accept, but more than that and I get irritable and my head feels woozy .
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: orrla on September 25, 2013, 03:11:02 PM
Yes Silverlady. And it makes me currious why there seem to be no concerns about addiction to ADs.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rowan on September 25, 2013, 03:29:02 PM
Orria when I said older people I meant e.g. people in their eighties, that's when you begin to get older :)

I agree about other drugs.

Sleep is so important it can make or break you, lets hope they do come up with a sleeping pill that we are allowed to take!

We women are all doomed anyway we've been swallowing ibuprofen for years now for period pain ext. they have not cleared the supermarket shelves!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dulciana on October 23, 2013, 07:01:09 PM
My favourite way of trying to get back to sleep in the middle of the night, once I've taken a Kalms and doused myself with lavender oil, is to think up alphabetical lists.  I've listed world cities, countries, foods, flowers, birds, animals, surnames - anything I can think of!   I sometimes try to find more than one thing per letter and when I was doing "composers", I found 10 for the letter B.  (Don't worry, I'm not going to list them all here!)  I know this works quite well because I often don't get to the end of a list, as I've fallen asleep!
Also, sometimes I try to make up limericks (with the emphasis on "try"!), which I don't usually remember, except for this one:

A violinist called Locatelli
Was very good friends with Corelli.
They did a recital
Which proved to be vital
'Cos then they were picked for the telly.

(They'd been talking about these people on Radio 3 when I was driving home earlier, not that the bit about the telly could have been right, as it hadn't been invented then.........!)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: scriv on October 25, 2013, 07:36:27 AM
That's lovely, dulciana!

I seldom go through the night without having to pop to the loo, but most times it does not disturb my sleep.

But when I am having a restless night, I get up rather than toss and turn and make a cup of hot tea. I read or do some activity, even look at my emails or a website like this, something easy but which tires my eyes and brain  after a bit.

I don't wrap up warm or get cosy anywhere - in fact I try to get cold and uncomfortable. So... after about half an hour I am cold and my eyes are feeling tired and I have a nice warm feeling in my tummy.

Then when I go back to bed, I snuggle down in my warm comfy bed and  more often than not, drift off straightway.

It works for me - but you do have to be careful to not get too absorbed in what you are doing so you forget to go back to bed!!!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: SueM on October 31, 2013, 10:53:34 AM
Ive just skimmed through this thread but never thought my poor sleeping, insomnia and always being tired was related to my hormones  :o
Im an insomniac often, go to bed ready to drop and 10pm then back up at 3am and back in bed within the hour and feeling like poop when my alarm goes off at 7am for work  :-\

Its nice to know Im not alone though and will definitely be mentioning this to my doctor.

Sue xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: bev567901 on October 31, 2013, 05:42:42 PM
Having never had a problem sleeping I have been prescibed 7.5mg zopiclone, I have no idea why but I feel a touch of shame taking these tablets. Must be something passed on from my mother who hasn't slept a wink since her menopause. They don't last long though & they have the strange affect of making me feel so calm after 20 mins like I am almost normal & can do stuff again, I plan things for the next day. Then the next minute I am downstairs raiding the fridge as if I haven't had 3 meals a day. My doc said the CBT team would prescibe me something else which I am waiting to hear about, it might be a higher dose or something else? Or I may be going backwards & forwards for a week or two because they are so ineffective before they get around to doing it grrrrrr. Last night I was up at 4am & the night before 1am so they are really doing a good job!!!!  I don't put the tv on but try & read & if that doesn't work I might go on my laptop & do something useful like my accounts or come on here.  Bev x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: manic on November 05, 2013, 04:10:15 AM
I don't think i am coping! No more than 5 hours sleep a night now for a month or so. I am not plagued by night sweats much, so it isn't that. I am very low, especially at 2am which has become my usual wake up time now. I have learnt to just lie there and concentrate on being still. Sometimes (like now) I get up and sit at the computer and play mindless games to pass the time. I have tried to work but I cannot manage to do anything sensible at the best of times so this hasn't proven successful. I have given up laughing it off and I have stopped moaning as well. Now I just accept it. I have tried Kalms but they don't seem to have any effect.

I feel really empty most of the time, like an out of body experience. I don't feel I have a proper grip on reality but am not sure either - maybe I do but maybe i don't, I cannot tell anymore. I have to say that without this forum I do not know where i would be. I live alone and find the nights particularly bad - I wish i had a partner I could annoy!

Please tell me that it gets better? I do not want this to last for much longer, I want to sleep again, I used to like sleep!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: bev567901 on November 05, 2013, 07:45:58 AM
Manic,  its horrible isn't it night time is so lonely especially 2am. I do think lack of sleep causes problems in itself we need our sleep mind & body.  I think lots of people suffer even without the meno. I see on my FB account lots of people putting can't sleep due to other reasons yet we imagine the whole world is sleeping well.  I am trying a new thing in accepting things like when I am feeling really sick or having a wobble. When this all started out I was actually going out for a drive in the car to tire myself out at 2am, how silly was that! I just couldn't lie there & accept it. Its horrible when you cannot switch your brain off.  Maybe we should all get jobs working night shifts! B x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Ju Ju on November 05, 2013, 08:05:18 AM
Just chuckled at Dulciano's post! ;D I make up lists of words too. As I am taking singing exams, I go through the songs and if I am in a play I go through my lines.

I have been having trouble sleeping for the past couple of years, both getting to sleep and waking up and not getting back to sleep. Some of this is caused by other health issues, night sweats ( though my are mild compared to some people's, restless leg syndrome ( not mine, my hubbie's! ).

My chiropractor has been very helpful about many health issues and suggested trying special sunglasses 2 or 3 hours before going to bed, as the 'blue light' from TVs and PCs can cause difficulties in getting to sleep. The glasses suggested are made by Solar Shield. They are wraparound ones as I wear glasses and have amber lens. I bought them on Amazon for about £20 inc postage. So far they seem to help in getting me off to sleep in the first place, though whether this is a placebo effect, I don't know. Cheap enough to try, though not a glamorous look! 8)

I hope this helps other people.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dulciana on November 05, 2013, 08:59:42 AM
That sounds really good, Ju Ju - going through your songs and play lines, I mean.  I'm going to try doing the same with my organ music and see if that works, too!

I must tell folks about something else that's helping me get to sleep, now, from a completely unexpected quarter. Our next-door neighbours in our flats have a 10-month-old baby, who I think must have been a bit wakeful too, because what do we now hear gently pulsing through our bedroom walls every night, from about 8pm to 7am?  Womb music - I swear that I've had some of my best nights' sleep for a long time, due to this relaxing sound!!  I don't know what I'll do when the child gets too old for it  - buy a CD of it, myself, maybe?  No - hubby'll never agree to that!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: bev567901 on November 05, 2013, 09:12:30 AM
I used womb music for all my children as they where prem & it was recommended. It really does work!!  I have downloaded the noise of a fan app on my phone (our real fan packed up in the Summer) it helps me not hear those little noises that might not have woken me normally & it relaxes me. I only have it on low just in case the kids are poorly in the night & I have even reduced the time I have it on now. If I was desperate for a sleep in the day though I would put it on high! Have recommended it to my eldest who has to work nights sometimes as she is a nurse. B x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dulciana on November 05, 2013, 10:05:28 AM
It's good, isn't it? :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Ju Ju on November 05, 2013, 01:44:24 PM
Right womb music on my MP3 player...here we come! I'm impressed D.....organ music. I am slowly learning to read music along with singing. I have trouble counting beats whilst singing. That's multi-tasking.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dulciana on November 05, 2013, 02:00:33 PM
Hi, Ju Ju - the organ's a great instrument, but you could fit my singing voice into a matchbox!!  I've married into a singing family (daughter has nice voice too), who put me to shame on that count.  Then, on both sides of the family, I'm surrounded by people with perfect pitch! (5 in all).   Just as well I love organ-playing as much as I do (and I could bore for Britain on it - as I have done already on MM!), because singing and perfect pitch certainly missed me out! 
What do like to sing, and are you sop. or alto?
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Ju Ju on November 05, 2013, 02:10:01 PM
I have always wanted to learn to sing. I have been having lessons for 2 years. It is wonderful to find your voice and how to use it. I sing high soprano parts in my choir. My singing teacher is having fun seeing how high she can get me to sing! I am taking Grade 2 this month. Never intended to take exams but it is proving to be a good focus and motivation.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Milliemoo on November 05, 2013, 07:00:21 PM
manic have you tried some Nytol or one of the supermarket branded Sleep Aid tablets?  You can use them short term to try to get some sleep and get back on track.  At least if you do wake after taking one you feel dozy enough to go back to sleep easily.

The wrap around glasses sound great, might try them.  I did read that using computer late in evening is not good for getting to sleep.  Not heard that about watching tv though.

Couldnt cope with any noise at night, womb music, fan or whatever would keep me awake.  I like pitch black and no sound.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dulciana on November 05, 2013, 08:05:58 PM
Each to their own, Milliemoo.  As long as we each find what helps/works for us and makes it possible to get a good night's sleep, that's the main thing.

Ju Ju - best of luck with Grade 2 singing!

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Ju Ju on November 05, 2013, 08:15:05 PM
Thank you! Had my weekly lesson this afternoon. I recommend singing as apparently it releases endorphins. I always feel better afterwards.
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Post by: dulciana on November 06, 2013, 03:18:36 PM
Well, I'm not sure if organ-playing does the same thing but I always feel better after playing, too.  Music-making seems to be a great easer of menopausal symptoms.  It just - how can I put it? - lifts you on to another level, I find. 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Hurdity on November 06, 2013, 04:41:58 PM
Hear hear dulciana and Ju Ju - my view entirely

Singing is brilliant - for other health reasons to as well as a feeling of well-being. However listening to calming music can have an amazing effect too.

When I do Pilates we sometimes listen to this - Deva Primal (Om namo bhagavate)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5-WaEwrXak

The images are very soppy but lying down on mat with eyes closed listening to this is wonderful!

or this Om Asatoma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lBJxl5TE00

I find the harmonies very relaxing.

Not sure who it would help with sleep - I would want to be listening to it - but helps to relax the body. I keep meaning to get the CD.

Hurdity  x

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on November 06, 2013, 04:52:33 PM
I have tried so hard to like this sort of music Hurdity but after a minute or so I feel really irritated and have to turn it off. I don't think I have learnt the relaxing thing yet!

Taz x  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Ju Ju on November 06, 2013, 07:43:27 PM
Try singing in harmony in a choir. Talk about forgetting everything else. We've beginning to sound pretty good.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on November 06, 2013, 08:11:30 PM
I'd have to wear earplugs!!

Taz x  ;D
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Ju Ju on November 07, 2013, 03:14:52 AM
Hopefully not if you were listening to us!!!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on November 07, 2013, 07:47:21 AM
I didn't mean it personally but I just find it really difficult to listen to even though the singing is beautiful I am sure  ;D

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dulciana on November 07, 2013, 08:21:40 PM
Ju Ju - sorry, I really should be getting back to the subject of this thread, but if you like choirs and singing, you might like this (I've just listened to it.) 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxCGFPEx2Ks
It's a video of the Berlioz Te Deum, with choirs of a thousand (so to speak!) and the most fantastic sound!
See what you think!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Ju Ju on November 07, 2013, 09:51:57 PM
Wow! Thank you, Dulciana. I listened to  the beginning, but will save it till tomorrow and listen with better speakers. I am not yet up to the standard required for choirs like these, though maybe with time and practice, I could aspire to this. Music like this touches your soul.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dulciana on November 08, 2013, 09:53:34 AM
Yes, indeed!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on November 08, 2013, 01:43:43 PM
I am trying! Must be missing a soul....  :-\  Will persevere though!

Taz x  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on November 08, 2013, 02:14:43 PM
My sleep is disturbed recently by: very busy, involved, long dreams during which I cry out and wake DH  ::) as well as by deep burning pain in left thigh  >:(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sparkle on November 08, 2013, 05:52:20 PM
CLKD - I'm the same!  I've always dreamt a lot but over the past few months they have become much more vivid and I often wake up thinking 'did that actually happen?' They also seem to affect my mood depending on what happened in the dream so I often wake up feeling down or anxious, it's horrible!  I also wake up a lot during the night but I am lucky in that it's not due to hot flushes, more to do with breathing through my mouth as I seem to get a blocked nose during the night (is that another weird menopause symptom?!). ???
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on November 08, 2013, 06:10:13 PM
The dreams leave me so tired  :-\  ............. it helps if I can go back and finisih the dream
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on November 08, 2013, 06:31:04 PM
Is it a side effect of the anti depressants CLKD?

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Ju Ju on November 08, 2013, 06:43:14 PM
I used to enjoy going to bed and sleeping. I enjoyed my dreams. It was like living 2 lives. Now I worry whether I will have a good night's sleep and pains and discomforts seep into my dreams. I have even dreamt I was dying. Horrid.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rowan on November 08, 2013, 06:58:48 PM
I know this is off topic again, I have been to concerts with choirs that lift your soul, one I will always remember was a  Royal‎ Liverpool

Philharmonic Orchestra Christmas Concert, I think you have to be there for the soul stirring stuff.

Has anyone heard of The Sixteen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcWo1hKHu40

This will touch your soul too.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on November 08, 2013, 08:47:14 PM
Don't think so Taz I always had busy dreams.  Very vivid.  Usually about wolves  ::) . now my brain picks up something from the News, something I've overheard, draws out a person not spoken to for years and mixes it all up.  I was dreaming about David Beckham last week, he knew me by name  :o and we were in a very posh Hotel foyer with a wide stair case: think Gone with the Wind : but he wasn't fazed and I thought, in my dream, 'he must be *so* used to all this' ........... then he was calling me a Black Cab and giving me tickets to a 'do' but didn't get there 'cos the Cab got stuck in traffic  >:(

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dulciana on November 08, 2013, 09:29:23 PM
Silverlady - I absolutely love Allegri's Miserere!  And the Sixteen are terrific.  Oh, it must be lovely to be able to sing...............................
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on November 09, 2013, 05:07:58 PM
I used to be able to sing until I had 2 lots of surgery in 2 weeks which altered my vocal chords  ::) - now I can croak in tune  :D

Slept well last night.  Still weary though, my head never seems to get enoughsleep  ::)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dulciana on November 10, 2013, 01:23:04 PM
It's rotten, isn't it, not getting enough sleep?  In the summer, the hot nights trigger hot sweats & flushes; then in the winter, things like brushed cotton sheets are normally so comforting and cosy but - then we get hot and they trigger hot sweats and flushes!  Honestly, sometimes I think we can't win! 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tight Rope Dancer on January 22, 2014, 07:15:07 PM
I'm just popping in to share a discovery I made very recently. I really hope this info will help other women who have lost track of what the cause of their problems are and what is caused by medical side-effects. You will soon see how this relates to menopausal problems... please take heed!

So - I've suffered from insomnia for 15 years, and had to manage it by taking ordinary sleeping pills but also psycho active medication. The latter is something doctors prefer to prescribe because it's supposed to be less harmful than hypnotics. It's not clear to me even to this day whether it's mostly just the fact that hypnotics CAN be habit forming. However only about 25 % of the population have tendencies towards addiction.

To cut a long story short, I had to alternate between anything the doctors would give me. The sleeping pills (i.e. hypnotics) were Zopiclone (non-benzo), Temazepam and Diazepam (benzos). The psycho active medication was Quetiapine (an anti-psychotic), Mirtazapine (anti-depressant), Amitriptyline (old generation anti-depressant) as well as Pregabalin (an all round drug mainly for neuropathic pain, and its predecessor was Gabapentin. I was able to tolerate these medicines for a long time until suddenly this summer I no longer was.

After a few months of trial and error, I realised that these medications were causing me very bad symptoms that I was initially ascribing to something else (just bad health, or perimenopause, or both). I got restless legs, itches, palpitations and more. This coincided with me turning 47 and realising that I was heading for menopause. Well, I'm obviously perimenopausal at the moment, as periods are a bit too frequent and erratic, and I've started to feel very overheated at night, and sleeping is even harder than before.

What I then realised as I started cutting out the meds (I had to do it in stages and alternate a great deal because I really needed some sleep too) was that my perimenopausal issues weren't at all as bad as I thought at first. They were exacerbated by the medicines. Now the IRONY is that many of these medications are supposed to make menopause EASIER! Especially Amitriptyline and Gabapentin come up as sleep aids during menopause. However, when I was coming off Pregabalin (which is similar to Gabapentin), I had terrible itches (including a VERY itchy and sticky fanny) for about a month. Of course I was a bit confused as to what was what but following my intuition paid off - once I got rid of everything except for the ordinary sleeping pills, I was almost normal again. My fanny stopped itching so badly as well and only feels a bit dry, which I hope to remedy by using oestrogen cream.

I even managed to get rid of the heart medication I was taking because my pulse had been racing so badly. Yes I do suffer from perimenopausal symptoms but most of them are quite mild. My life style is in keeping with the recommendations, that's plenty of seeds and nuts to eat as well as vitamin D, Magnesium, Cod liver oil, Spirulina and a couple of herbs (Shatavari at the moment and Black Cohosh soon when I run out).

What happened very recently after those months of reforming my medication use was that I started waking up every 2-3 hrs and found it impossible to get back to sleep. Internet research shows that this is common. It's a drag but I'm still feeling better since being able to kick the psychmeds. At the moment I'm alternating the sleeping pills as well as using Melatonin, because I have to have some sleep or I'll go mental. I also tried anti-histamine as a sleeping pill but it also exacerbated my perimenopausal issues. Please beware that anti-histamines are sometimes offered to relief the kind of itches I experienced! That can be more medication causing more harm on top of what is already going on. It's really as though what was supposed to help me also contributed to the problems. Granted I do have underlying health issues in terms of fibromyalgia, but I don't think that's the reason things went funny.

I'm worried about the idea of taking HRT. From what I can see, possible side-effects include all of those problems I had with the other medicines! That's itches, depression, mood swings, hairloss and palpitations. That's precisely what you don't need when you could already be having these issues due to your hormonal fluctuations.

My theory is that as my hormonal levels started to change, my body could no longer cope with medications that altered my brain chemistry and affected my body in many insidious ways. I actually think that my body showed great wisdom in that it's trying to maintain a good balance all on its own, and I need to assist it rather than load it with more stuff to deal with. Of course sleeping pills are chemicals too, but they don't seem to upset the hormonal balance that much. I will just have to see how it goes. I've been to a sleep clinic for integrated medicine in London but it wasn't very helpful, in fact the doctor was the one who insisted I take Mirtazapine and Pregabalin to treat the insomnia. I also already know about sleep hygiene and positive thinking. However, if you're interested in this kind of thing you can check out a book by Colin Espie called Overcoming Insomnia and Sleep Problems.

I really hope this experience is helpful to other women out there. Stay as natural as possible! All the best. Thanks for reading.

I have written about these trials on a blog, as well as my long experience of insomnia, please check it out if you want details > The Alchemy of Health>http://chronicillnesshealthissues.blogspot.co.uk
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Linsey44 on April 25, 2014, 08:19:44 PM
Hi, I'm still finding my way round the forum, so far so good lots of helpful info.

Was told I was peri-menopausal approx. 2012 and used to wonder why the week before my period my sleeping pattern was dreadful, took me time to realise it might be due to hormonal reasons.  How naïve was I when I thought that by having a hysterectomy (uterus only) in 2013 that this would improve.

So not the case, if anything it got worse, my ovaries seemed to struggle even more.  Recently started livial following BSO few weeks ago but don't know if this will have a positive effect on my sleeping.

I noticed someone else had mentioned melatonin and they said it was difficult to get.  In case anyone is interested I use a UK high st chemist that has an online dr who prescribes it for jetlag.  My husband uses it for a few days to help him get back in day shift mode after having done 2 weeks of 12hr night shifts or when he has had to travel overseas for work.

Considering using a tablet myself to see what happens, will let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 26, 2014, 08:10:33 AM
Melatonin is a very useful drug. It's used quite often now in children with ADHD and also to help with come-down from drugs such as MDMA. If you Google Sleepfoundation.org/melatonin this will bring up their "booklet" on how it works and how much to use for restful sleep. I can't post the link as it has a commercial shop which isn't allowed under forum rules.

You used to be able to buy it in Holland and Barrett and I see it is still listed under their available products. Frequent flyer friends use it for jet lag and another uses it to help with her IBS. Let us know how you get on if you try it Linsey.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: honeybun on April 26, 2014, 10:03:13 AM
How does it help with IBS Taz?


Honeyb
x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Rowan on April 26, 2014, 11:05:37 AM
I get my melatonin from BIOVEA uk here is their Blog  http://blog.biovea.com/

They sell the drops, slow release, chewable ( I use them, I have a container of nibbled tablets, they are strawberry flavour :))  capsules and tablets.

OH uses them occasionally.

Melatonin is so much more then a help for delayed sleep syndrome as Taz says

http://www.naturalnews.com/melatonin.html 

Its even been implicated in bone health.

The importance of melatonin is in the dosage and timing of taking it.

Lots of info on melatonin and IBS

Scientific or otherwise here is some   http://www.livestrong.com/article/435779-melatonin-ibs/
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on April 26, 2014, 11:44:10 AM
Thanks SL.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Heron on June 04, 2014, 02:36:37 AM
I'm not coping with poor sleeping.  :(
Concentration non-existent, work suffering as a result. Mood very low, nerves frayed. I look terrible and have taken to comfort eating and sugar hits during the day simply to get through.
It's 3.30am now, I have to be up at 5.45am and think that is it for tonight as far as sleep goes.
Self-indulgent rant over!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: toffeecushion on June 08, 2014, 12:07:52 PM
I am having trouble sleeping at the moment.  How much sleep is everyone getting?
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Meggie on June 09, 2014, 01:24:27 PM
We have put an Ikea Mattress Topper (Sultan) on our bed and now we are oh so comfortable, 9 hrs is quite a normal night to us !

Meggie
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on June 09, 2014, 02:12:22 PM
I cope by having a catch up in the afternoon when necessary or by sleeping 'in' …………..
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on June 09, 2014, 06:27:41 PM
I have problems staying asleep. Fall asleep quite quickly but wake up after three hours and then do that dozing thingy until it's time to get up at 6. As long as I have five hours I can function well but I'm finding it a bit tricky at the moment. I hate sleeping in though so still get up at the same time at weekends - I feel like I have a hangover head all day if I stay in bed for an extra hour or two.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Lady D on August 04, 2014, 11:58:58 PM
I'm one extreme or the other ie, last night and tonight I cannot get to sleep even though I feel tired!  But can also sleep for flippin' England!

Had enough tbh - feel like I should just give up work or go off sick :(  I now this isn't the answer though!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Oracle22 on September 11, 2014, 11:25:36 AM
Hi I have been a poor sleeper for many years. But that said since I have been watching my diet and when I eat clean and exercise, I sleep much better.   By Clean I mean meat/fish/ poultry and  veg,  watch the sugar, caffeine, no processed food or alcohol and keep carbs low.  However I am one of the lucky ones,  I do not suffer from night sweats or Hot Flushes.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on September 11, 2014, 11:44:36 AM
Hi Oracle - it's good to hear different tips for sleeping. How far into menopause are you - fingers crossed you have escaped the dreaded sweats and flushes which have been by far the worst part of meno for me.

Taz x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: janeymc on September 16, 2014, 08:02:12 PM
I have always been a really good sleeper - never any problems.  I am at the start of the menopause, but have not yet had many hot flushes or sweats,  however my big problem has been with sleeping.

I go to bed and then start to settle but I get really panicky and anxious and can't get to sleep - all kinds of things start to go through my head and it can take ages to get off to sleep.  Then I wake up two or three hours later and it all starts again.  Sometimes I just get up but sometimes I can't face it. Also, when I am asleep I have recurrent nightmares - mostly about my ex husband and the trauma I went through when we split up nearly 10 years ago(it was really awful - he left three weeks before Christmas, a week later my Mum died suddenly and then the week after that on Christmas Eve my sister died suddenly  - I had two very young children and at Mum's funeral the toddler jumped off her sisters bunk beds and broke her arms)

I am so terribly tired.  I have arthritis and the pain and stiffness is much worse the more tired I get.  I am going to see the Doctor tomorrow morning and I am scared that she will just give me sleeping tablets, which I don't want.  I can't have HRT because I have a heart valve problem and am waiting for an operation to correct it

I also seem to  get upset really easily - if I see something sad on TV, or a disabled person, or an old person struggling to get along I just start crying and I feel almost unbearably sad.

is any of this "normal" during the menopause?  I have had problems with irregular and heavy bleeding, but have had hysteroscopy and biopsies and all was normal so they say it is just hormones and fibroids.

Sorry to sound so down - I am just so fed up with feeling scared and tired all the time.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: purplenanny on September 16, 2014, 08:11:13 PM
Oh janeymc, you have suffered such awful losses and trauma.
It is not surprising you don't sleep well.
Have you ever seen anyone who could help you talk through it all?
Are you struggling with this on your own or do you have family or good friend?
Sending care and hugs. PN x x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: pink crystal on October 20, 2014, 08:11:18 PM
I am new to this forum.  Am taking Ambien CR 12.50 mg every night to sleep and have been doing so now for the last 5 months.  Must say it doesn't always do the trick and am sometimes awake till past midnight.  Would absolutely love love love NOT to have to take it but just can't seem to get to sleep otherwise, at all or would then fall asleep to awake in the early hours of the morning.  I take the contraceptive pill more for the hormonal assistance and regulation of my menstruation (as it was happening every 2 weeks or so before) than for contraception.  Would also love to not have to do this but will continue on for the time being.  I have everything to be thankful for but feel so utterly sad and miserable a lot of the time.  Am pleased to come across others "like me" on this blog. 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on October 20, 2014, 08:12:36 PM
Hi Pink Crystal

Taz x  :welcomemm:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: oldsheep on October 21, 2014, 08:58:04 PM
Hi Pink Crystal, just wondered if you knew that Ambien/Zolpidem has about a 2 hour half life, so it could be that you don't get many hours' sleep on it (think some people do).
It often gets prescribed with a low dose of diazepam to keep you asleep.
Have you tried sedative anti histamines at all? I tried them, but they give me startlingly violent nightmares which defeats the point of sleeping.

good luck with your sleep. Hope it settles down.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Janeymode on November 03, 2014, 01:19:59 PM
Poor sleeping is a new one for me.

I take a tablet at night for back pain (Nortriptyline) and that initially sends me off to sleep pretty quickly but I wake often to what I thought was the night sweats...I've tried all kinds to help...laying a towel under me, sleeping in loose cotton clothing, no clothing, a cotton sheet under the duvet and a lighter duvet...nothing helped until I was put on Norethisterone...that appears to have stopped all night sweats (added bonus)

I've found that a regular night time routine helps...a nice bath/shower...fresh bed linen and earplugs...sounds simple but it works for me...the main thing I do is turn the clock around so I can't see the time...waking up to a blaring green 3.25 am just makes things worse...lavender helps a lot too...a sachet of lavender inside my pillowcase really does help me...if I can't sleep I get up until I can...it messes about with my body clock but I can't lie there awake.
     
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: mumziz on November 10, 2014, 06:28:13 AM
I have been suffering with insomnia for a few weeks now. Herbal sleeping tablets don't seem to be doing anything. I end up nodding off about 8pm in front if tv. Don't really want to take prescription sleeping tablets. Can anyone give me tips on what I can do for a good night's sleep?
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sammy on February 12, 2015, 07:22:52 PM
I have always been a really good sleeper - never any problems.  I am at the start of the menopause, but have not yet had many hot flushes or sweats,  however my big problem has been with sleeping.

I go to bed and then start to settle but I get really panicky and anxious and can't get to sleep - all kinds of things start to go through my head and it can take ages to get off to sleep.  Then I wake up two or three hours later and it all starts again.  Sometimes I just get up but sometimes I can't face it. Also, when I am asleep I have recurrent nightmares - mostly about my ex husband and the trauma I went through when we split up nearly 10 years ago(it was really awful - he left three weeks before Christmas, a week later my Mum died suddenly and then the week after that on Christmas Eve my sister died suddenly  - I had two very young children and at Mum's funeral the toddler jumped off her sisters bunk beds and broke her arms)

I am so terribly tired.  I have arthritis and the pain and stiffness is much worse the more tired I get.  I am going to see the Doctor tomorrow morning and I am scared that she will just give me sleeping tablets, which I don't want.  I can't have HRT because I have a heart valve problem and am waiting for an operation to correct it

I also seem to  get upset really easily - if I see something sad on TV, or a disabled person, or an old person struggling to get along I just start crying and I feel almost unbearably sad.

is any of this "normal" during the menopause?  I have had problems with irregular and heavy bleeding, but have had hysteroscopy and biopsies and all was normal so they say it is just hormones and fibroids.

Sorry to sound so down - I am just so fed up with feeling scared and tired all the time.

I have all your symptoms.  All of them!  It is like i lost the filter that separates my wmotions from the outsode world.  I get upset at all kinds of things that never would have affected me before.  I cannot sleep thru the night.  I worry all the time ( mostly about my health).

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Dorothy on February 16, 2015, 11:57:54 PM
This won't be much help to those with partners unless you can sleep in headphones, but I have some story audiobooks and I have found listening to one of them as I go to sleep really helpful.  I pick stories I know well that are fairly gentle in nature (James Herriot, Jane Austen, E F Benson) and seem to drop off after the first 3 or 4 tracks.  I don't listen to new CDs in this way in case I stay awake listening for the end.  But once I've heard them a couple of times, they keep my mind just occupied enough to stop it buzzing with other things and as I already know where the story is going, I find I just drift off without realising it.  Occasionally it doesn't work, then I just sit up and read till I can't keep my eyes open.  Again, familiar books so nothing new to keep me awake.

BTW, I always find it harder to sleep when there is a full moon.  Bizarre.  Does anyone else have this problem?  Nothing to do with the light as my curtains are drawn.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Sarai on April 20, 2015, 09:12:59 AM
Sleep oh my. I have been a poor sleeper for years now. taking ages to get off and so needing loads of loo visits. If I could get off 2 loo visits a night were the norm but now, well I may take an hour to get off then wake what seems like very hour, have to go to lo, though I don't think its the need that wakes me. I have a cool room, light clothes, lavender spray all around, I look at the nice pages of Yours magazine before turning off the light. I've turned the clock away. No internet in bed, no tv. I find myself half dreaming half thinking about what cure I could buy, or would the doc send me to a sleep clinic. I really does not help depression at all.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Former optimist on April 24, 2015, 12:07:27 PM
I've not had a full night's sleep for over two years now - all since the night sweats started.  I see every hour on the clock and if I'm lucky I sometimes doze in between sweats but never for more than 30 - 40 minutes.  I long for my bed at night but then can't wait for morning.  The last week has been especially awful - three nights with no sleep at all - have given up an all three occasions and got out of bed because I disturb my husband.  Last night was a bit better - I managed to stay in bed all night save for one get up to take paracetamol and ibuprofen - I remember still being awake at 4.30 am but then the next thing I knew the alarm clock woke me at 6.00 am, I can't remember the last time I have woken to the alarm. 

I make so many mistakes at work and feel like I am in a zombie like state all of the time, even driving is becoming a worry - had a couple of near misses this week that were both my fault either because I wasn't concentrating or wasn't fast enough to react.  It's getting to the point now that I am questioning how much longer I can actually continue in my current job.

My GP prescribed tamazepam about six months ago but I only took them for less than a week because I felt so dreadful the next day.  I've cut out all caffeine and have stopped reading, using electronic devices and watching TV in the evenings thinking that this would help but it doesn't. 

I take nightime Kalms an hour before bedtime but they don't have any effect at all, I just keep taking them and hope that they will help psychologically!!  Other remedies for hot sweats don't help either and I can't have HRT.  I have recently been diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and suffer pain and stiffness in the night, however I don't think that it's bad enough to stop me from sleeping if the hot sweats weren't keeping me awake.  When will this end?
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: pepperminty on April 24, 2015, 12:27:17 PM
Hi , I have had insomnia for 4 years now, and feel like a zombie most days. I have on occasion been unable to string even the most simple sentence together.
Things that have helped are :

When I am hot going to bed with 4 ice packs from the freezer wrapped in tea towels. Not perfect, but one on my feet and the others dotted about helps.

A hypnosis tape by Paul McKenna- I can help you sleep relaxes me

Mindfulness meditation in evenings (even if it's only 10 mins )

CBT course through NHS

Accepting it and trying not to get angry (really difficult as you feel your life is ruined some days and you are so exhausted you don't know what day it is )
x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jude65 on June 24, 2015, 10:11:36 PM
I've been useing night nurse and it really helps to relax me..
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Sunnydays on June 25, 2015, 09:02:22 PM
About 2 weeks ago I slept through the night for 4 consecutive nights. Bliss! I was a new woman. Sadly not lasted! Not sure if it was new hrt that did it, but I'm not sleeping like that now grrrr
 It was once suggested never to look at the clock when waking in the night - ok it doesn't help the sleeping but I do find if I look at the time, it makes it even harder to get back to sleep.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Night_Owl on July 03, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
My sleep has been poor for the last 9 years or so, with whole nights of not sleeping when my periods first stopped and my life went into total disarray.

One thing I've found helps somewhat is Magnesium + B6 supplements (Solgar) -   Magnesium Taurate apparently has the best absorption - the ones I've mentioned are Magnesium Oxide and purportedly the least well absorbed, but I find them to be okay.  We're all different and what works for one won't for another, however still maybe worth a try.  I take just before lights out.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: babyjane on July 26, 2015, 09:21:11 AM
I have had bouts of insomnia for the last 5-6 years and it usually happens in the summer months when it is not properly dark, is hot at night and there are more noises outside which I can hear because the bedroom windows are open.  Also my husband has developed intermittent snoring.  A couple of months ago I was waking every 2 hours (I confess to looking at the clock to see how much sleep I have had).

I started going into the spare back bedroom if I wake up shortly after going to bed and I sleep much better there as it is darker, quieter and I can have the window open and a lightweight summer duvet on the bed. There is also more room as it is a 4ft small double bed in there.

However the last 2 nights I have had my shower at bedtime due to needing to be up failrly early because of people coming in the morning and I slept right through both nights.  I don't know if it is a co incidence because the weather is cooler but I am going to try having my shower at bedtime for a few more nights.  It also helps me be up and dressed at a reasonable time in the mornings too  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: SadLynda on August 03, 2015, 02:59:50 PM
Not read all 38 pages yet.  But just wanted to add myself to the insomnia brigade.  Been going on for the last 3 years, my GP has no interest.  I cant remember the last time I had a full nights sleep.  I get to sleep fine as always so exhausted, but the most I sleep is 2 hours before waking, not always that, then I see each hour till its time to get up.
Do all the stuff I am meant to, and none of the stuff I am not.

Take Quite Life herbs, Ashwaganda and just started on magnesium oil.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: netty114 on August 03, 2015, 07:17:08 PM
I am new to this site, but needed to find others who were in the same predicament as me.  I suffered for 2 years with bad sleep at night and eventually succumbed to the HRT as I was so tired during the day.  After 2 weeks of HRT I was sleeping through the night!! I was initially on the sequi and after 2 years doctors changed me to the conti patch.  Apparently you shouldn't bleed using this, but 12 months in (about 6 weeks ago) I had a heavy bleed. I wasn't worried but thought I should tell the doctor  ..... it's been downhill from there!!  :(  I had to come off the HRT and went straight back into hot flushes, night sweats and waking every 40 minutes or so throughout the night.  I have had a scan and a biopsy (due to the bleed), the consultant has lost the scan results so wants to me have another, and now my appointment next week has just been cancelled. I was given amitriptyline to help sleep, but it hasn't helped and I have decided to come off them as I feel more lethargic during the day than I did on no sleep! Not sure what my next move is going to be, each night I go to bed hoping that "this will be the night" when I actually sleep through! I am going to look at some of the suggestions that I have read in previous messages but feel I want a "quick fix". I feel for all you fellow sufferers - us ladies are really put through the mill.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dazned on August 03, 2015, 07:28:58 PM
Could you ask your Dr for a short supply of sleeping tablets it's to tide you over,explaining that lost scans and cancelled appointment is having a very negative impact on your sleep and well being beyond your control after all it is the consultant s fault . Alternetively maybe some diazepam would help you through this troublesome time.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: netty114 on August 03, 2015, 07:40:18 PM
Thanks dazned, not having taken sleeping pills before - does the "sleeping" effect carry on during the day or will I be up and raring to go? I need to drive to work every day.  If they are the answer, I am happy to try.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Taz2 on August 04, 2015, 07:00:03 AM
Hi netty - welcome to the forum.

Just want to say that if you'd like to introduce yourself under New Members then more of us will see your post and welcome you. You might get more advice re your GP's decision to stop HRT too - seems a bit of a hasty decision to me to be honest. It's so frustrating when results go missing. Has your biopsy result come through yet?

Has the bleeding stopped now? Do you mind me asking how old you are?  So many questions.. sorry!

Taz x  :welcomemm:
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: SadLynda on August 04, 2015, 10:56:27 AM
Welcome Netty, just to answer your sleeping pill question - on my brief few days of bothering with them, I got about 4 hours sleep and felt no different than usual (without sleep) in the morning, still able to drive and work.  They are of course different for every person, this was just my experience.

I have just been reading about 5htp, anyone had any joy with that for sleep?
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: netty114 on August 04, 2015, 06:46:02 PM
Thank you for the welcome SadLynda and Taz2.  I will add myself to the new members.  Thanks.  In answer to your questions, I am 54, yes the bleeding stopped and hasn't returned so been "normal" in that aspect for 6 weeks. I too thought it was a hasty decision to take me off HRT but I suppose they have to be cautious.  I was due to get the biopsy results next week but as the consultant has cancelled the appointment I don't know when I will get them now.  I phoned the doctor today and she has suggested clonodine but as it lowers bp I am due to go in tomorrow for her to check mine first.  I am not too sure about it though having just read up on some peoples experiences. My bp is usually normal to low. My doctor said she has to wait to hear from the consultant and her opinion as to whether to restart hrt but will send my original scan results to her and see if she responds.  It's good to be able to talk about this on here with people who totally understand what it's like.  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jbiggin on August 15, 2015, 02:57:14 PM
I am not coping well!  I work full time in a stressful job and find that when I don't sleep, it is very difficult to function the next day!!!  I also have bad mood swings!  I have tried the natural remedies but nothing works.    Any suggestions? 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: babyjane on August 15, 2015, 06:25:54 PM
yes jbiggin, and hello.  I suggest you post in the new members section because then more ladies will see your post, welcome you and answer your questions.  Your post could easily be missed in the middle of this long thread. Welcome to the forum  :)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Hurdity on August 19, 2015, 02:39:50 PM
Hi jbiggin

 :welcomemm:

I've just seen your post - but then - I'm not a lady  ;) ! Sorry to hear about your lack of sleep. How are your periods doing - and do you think you are becoming peri-menopausal? Many of us have tried natural remedies for menopausal symptoms as we started the journey but later find that these do not work as we got further into menopause so went down the HRT route.  Most of the oestrogen replacement these days is "natural" - by that I mean it is estradiol and bio-identical to the one produced in our own bodies and is made from plants. You can also get "natural" progesterone in the form of Utrogestan as part of HRT too - and all on the NHS. Maybe something to consider depending on where you are in menopause.

Certainly I found the disturbed sleep (due to night sweats) terribly debilitating and especially when I worked full time. Since being on HRT ( 8+ years) the sweats have been banished and I can function normally. :)

Hurdity x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Anglichanka on April 19, 2016, 11:37:22 AM
In the positive camp: 50 micrograms of estradot seems to be a better dose for me. I've been having awful depression every third day since I started HRT 6 weeks ago. But I upped the dose and so far so good, my mood seems to have stabilized. Hurrah. Also, no more night sweats, though I still get hot, but not to the extent of before, and the very infrequent and minimal flush, but again, nothing like before. I also don't have the brain fog. So that's all great, and I'm grateful. On the other hand, why can't I get to sleep? It's so weird. I go to bed and I'm exhausted, really exhausted. I do LOADS of exercise: one day I ran up a mountain twice and was exhausted, but I still couldn't fall asleep. As soon as I put out the light, I feel like I'm falling asleep and then PING, and for the next hour or so I toss and turn, until I give up and take a Dornomyl (french sleeping tablet, non-prescription, an anti-histamine). It works, but then the next day I'm deep asleep until 10am, which I can do as I'm freelance, but it's not ideal for work patterns. It's nearly time for my two weeks of progesterone, which may help, but I'm at my wits' end. I've always been a good sleeper and this is doing my head in. As for sleep hygiene, I never drink caffeine after 4pm, I don't exercise late at night, I don't eat late, I read before sleep, and if I do check my phone, it's in night mode (less blue light). I'm not expecting any solution, but does anyone know how the menopause does this? I know it messes with melatonin, but this seems to be some kind of trigger that's not working.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Lane on May 29, 2016, 12:27:56 AM
I'm new to this and not doing so great with insomnia. Night sweats feel like I have peed myself! My GP said it's "probably" peri menopausal symptom. I have heard there's a test they can do. I'm going to see about have that.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: JudithChamlers on July 08, 2016, 02:30:32 PM
Hi there

I'm in the same boat as you. Though early 50s and still get the odd monthly my doctor said I need to face the fact I am now apporoaching menopause. My issue is I get very cold then sweat and then cold again
The best solution from everything I was recommended is pure wool bedding. I was given a gift of a pure wool duvet and have since purchased the mattress topper and pillows from urbanwool.co.uk. They are really helpful and open to talk about what's right based on whether you are too hot or too cold. You use one duvet all year and they are soooo light weight you drift off - heaven - oh and on top of that Lavender spray helps too x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: yorkshirerose on July 11, 2016, 08:00:27 PM
my sleep pattern is so poor - I can go up to 2 hours then I'm awake every hour, I feel like I've been run over by the mornign :'(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jessicaponies on July 12, 2016, 04:11:06 PM
I just read in bed when I cant sleep. In the week is fine but Friday night is social night with hubby so I normally have some wine and I sleep better, try to relax in the bath before going to bed too.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dulciana on July 13, 2016, 07:03:14 PM
I have a kit by my bedside, which consists of: magnesium spray, a glass of water with drops of Rescue Remedy in it, a lavender bag, a little bottle of perfume-y stuff called Seascape for dabbing on to my temples and under my nose and an eye mask for these light mornings.  Wouldn't be without it.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: yorkshirerose on September 15, 2016, 11:48:14 AM
sleep is a distant memory, GP has suggested anti depressants but not sure,  have bought some camomile tea so might try this first......
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bazzy on September 26, 2016, 02:28:14 PM
I am really struggling at the moment with insomnia. I have always slept like a baby until about a year ago. I had an ovary out for a cyst Oct 2015 and was perimenopausal at the time I think. Since then I have been full blown menopausal - hot flushes, poor memory, permanently tired and zero sex drive. I think the lack of sleep is the worst thing. I have tried OTC sleep tablets, avoiding caffeine, amitriptyline, open window, fan - I still wake up 1, 2 or 3am, and then stay awake tossing, turning and hot flushing for a few hours. I tried HRT prempak c but it did not seem to help and made me put on weight and itch. I dont recall it helping the hot flushes either. Admitted I did not stay on it more than a couple of months. I feel a bit of a wrek :( - any advice welcomed
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jan68 on September 26, 2016, 02:56:24 PM
I know how you feel Bazzy lack of sleep chronic insomnia. I tried everything including prempak c and like you didn't help hot flushes!! I've been on sleeping pills tried things from chemist etc. I don't take hrt either. I'm on citalopram 20mg for the anxiety and panic attacks. My doc has now put me on 15mg of mirtazapine to help with my sleep. It has helped a bit by getting me of to sleep but dosent keep me a sleep for long but it's still early days.
Maybe see doc about mirtazapine ad if you are interested? I trust this better than amitriptyline route I don't get on with that drug.
Worth a try maybe?
Take care janx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Hurdity on September 26, 2016, 04:44:26 PM
Hi Bazzy

 :welcomemm:

Sorry to hear you are having problems with insomnia mainly due to hot flushes.

Unfortunately the only thing that can really help with this is HRT. Your doc should not prescrire anti-depressants as first line of treatment for menopause.

As you suggested you didn't take HRT for long enough - HRT should be tried for a minimum of 3 months to allow your body to acclimatise to it. Prempak is actually one of the old-fashioned types of HRT and the oestrogen is made from horse urine so contains oestrogens that are foreign to human beings. There are plenty of other HRT types to try.

Perhaps you could introduce yourself in the new members section and let us know where you are in menopause in terms of periods, and how old you are, so more people will be able to answer?

Hurdity x

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: nothappybun on September 26, 2016, 06:24:19 PM
I agree insomnia starts well before, it was the first symptom I suffered and didn't relate it till now, it started 4 years ago when I was PM, on those days I couldn't sleep, no hot flashes no sweats just woke up for no reason and started worrying irrationally about anything and couldn't sleep. Magnesium and vitamin B group supplements helped for some time. Went on BCP and slept like a baby now been put on hrt and back with the whole lot, insomnia, hot flashes, mood swings, anxiety and vaginal discomfort and dryness at least the sweats are at stake!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Charlotte ... on December 16, 2016, 02:53:16 PM
Being driven batty by lack of sleep this  week and utter utter exhaustion all day, some weeks I get to 4.30pm but this week 2.00am, ugh, just whining, ignore me, :-* I had hoped that HRT would make  a difference as it was the one thing I was going to take it for.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Louise KMS on January 10, 2017, 05:27:51 PM
I have been struggling with sleep issues for about 4 months now, & not because of night sweats. Most of the time, I'm not going to bed unduly stressed, but I lie there, exhausted & just can't go asleep. I've used some zopiclone 3.75 for a few nights, which worked well, but I felt hungover the next morning, & in a ny case, I didn't want to get addicted to them. Then I tried some nytol, which do the same thing. But I've just stopped taking them, as the drug they contain (diphenhydramine) has recently been linked with memory loss & dementia. So I'm now thinking about some herbal remedies & wondering if anyone on here has tried any? I didn't sleep at all last night, & most nights I only get 4-5 hrs sleep. This is leading to me feeling like I'm going a bit mad, bouts of anxiety, aches & pains everywhere  & I think depression. I've just started taking Estradiol 1mg a month ago (I also have a Mirena coil).
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Hurdity on January 14, 2017, 05:48:48 PM
Hi Louise KMS

Sorry your post got missed up here!  :welcomemm:

If you have a Mirena it is difficult to say where you are in menopause because I presume your periods stopped? Then it becomes hard to know when menopausal symptoms appear. You haven't said how old you are - but there are other women who have had sleep problems too. Maybe post again in the new members section or the All Things Menopause where more women look and you may get some more answers?

It is a good sign that you do not get night sweats. Hopefully the estradiol tablets will help generally but sounds like you are still suffering. How long have you had the Mirena and have you considered whether you are having a reaction to this?

As well as HRT, it is important at this stage in your life to look at all aspects of your health, diet and lifestyle to make sure you are in the best possible shape to cope with these unpleasant symptoms. Also get plenty of exercise  if you can, so that you are physically tired when you go to bed and might sleep for longer.

Hurdity x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Kathleen on January 14, 2017, 06:05:31 PM
Hello  Louise KMS and welcome to the forum.

Disturbed sleep is a classic meno problem unfortunately and Hurdity has given you some good advice.

 There are many of us struggling with the same issues so perhaps you could post elsewhere on the forum so other ladies will see your comments and respond.

Take care.

K.

Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Susan MacKenzie on January 28, 2017, 11:13:56 AM
Hi, I,m new to this site, but I have been reading many of the posts and thought I would give my experience  to the forum.
I had been taking Elleste  Duet 1mg  for about 6 years when my doctor stopped my prescription abruptly. Within a week, the anxiety and  panic attacks returned  but worse than thy had been initially. I was put back onto the Elleste  duet  immediately and things settled down after a couple of weeks. Move forward to July last year, when the doctor changed me to Evorel patches. Three months on, I was told I had a torn rotator cuff and referred for physio! I also had some anxiety so was referred to phycologist.  Light bulb moment, these symptoms were menopausal. The insomnia, panic attacks, anxiety,loss of appetite , hot and cold flushes, tremors and irrational thoughts all hit at the same time in October. Since then, I have not been in my  bed, as I don,t sleep, some nights not even for an hour. The doctors have changed my hrt five times in five months and would you believe have now put me back  on to the Elleste Duet 1mg, which, until they interfered, I had o problem with, I was aware of any risks and accepted them. My life as I knew it, has gone. I can barley interact with anyone, can,t feel any emotions, am totally introverted and have spent many nights pacing in the garden, in the middle of winter, for goodness sake! I have tried many different supplements, medications, self help solutions and coping mechanisms with varied  results. Currently I am using Magnesium Night oil and have also taken a dose of Magnesium Citrate this morning to see if this helps. When I was prescribed Elleste duet, the doctor suggested I took the joint estrogen and progesterone tablet to start with so today I have gone on to the estrogen only so I guess I will see what happens.  Oh to have a nights sleep! There is lot more I could add, such as having to have an internal scan and biopsy during this whole mess, but suffice to say, I have absolutely no faith in my doctors.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Menomale on January 28, 2017, 11:28:39 AM
Hi Susan,

Welcome!
I'm sorry I can't give you many info today, feeling very low... just want to reassure you that faith in doctors is so rare these days... you should keep looking for new ones until you find a decent and knowledgeable one.
Hope things settle soon!
xxx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Smalltownok on February 10, 2017, 03:56:38 PM
I have always been a champion sleeper! LOL... I could go to bed at 9:00pm and get up at 9:00am and never blink an eye.  Then came menopause....  I have been on HRT for 7 years and am having "breakthrough" issues with waking up at 3 am, like clockwork, each morning.  I wake up, flush/feel a hot flash, cool myself off and then either stay up or go back to sleep.  If I take a night time Tylenol or Melatonin, sometimes that will help and I'll sleep through the night - but it doesn't seem to work but one night and the next I'm back to waking up.  It's like it works one night and the next night it doesn't.  All this while continuing my HRT - so I am wondering if I need to increase something in my meds? ...  Anyway, I'm just here to see what I can learn... :)  Thanks to you all for sharing your experiences!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Smirking Pixie on February 13, 2017, 09:01:22 AM
Not read all the posts yet but have always been a champion sleeper ie, 10 hours each night at the weekends or if the alarm is not on to wake me for work.  I took Elleste Duet 1mg for 2 years which was fine and then back end of last year I started having a few more night sweats so went up to 2mg.  This has sorted the sweats and am dropping off to sleep without a problem but then wake around 2.30 and again 5.30 - I wear earplugs so don't think its noise and we have a large bed so don't think its husband moving!  Am keeping a food diary as per one of the ladies suggested (I think it's CKLD) but I think I eat very well and healthily and do zumba once a week.  Am thinking the trick is not to look at the clock so then I don't worry how early it is?

It's very frustrating !!  :-\
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dulciana on February 13, 2017, 04:18:29 PM
.......Am thinking the trick is not to look at the clock so then I don't worry how early it is?

Definitely, SP, especially if you've got something important the next day.  That's my strategy.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sparkle on February 13, 2017, 04:25:38 PM
I've found I'm better if I don't look at the clock, if I do I seem to get more anxious.  I'm learning that if I just lie there and concentrate on trying to relax it's better than worrying about not sleeping.

S x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Smirking Pixie on February 23, 2017, 02:08:16 PM
Am not saying is a miracle cure but the "chillow" arrived Monday and it's actually pretty good.  I did make the mistake of putting it just inside my pillow case face up so that my head was resting on it and it felt weird/hard.  So I just put it inside pillow case but under my actual pillow and a bit of coolness does tend to come through.  Put in this way, no night sweats since Monday apart from a very tiny, practically insignificant one last night. 

Early days I know but just feedback if anybody else is thinking about buying one  8)

SP x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: MissMaster on April 05, 2017, 02:12:10 PM
Hi Susan,

Welcome!
I'm sorry I can't give you many info today, feeling very low... just want to reassure you that faith in doctors is so rare these days... you should keep looking for new ones until you find a decent and knowledgeable one.
Hope things settle soon!
xxx

I am so agree with you!!! I think it's almoust impossible to find a good doctor now. most of them don't know anything and try to get rid of patients.
I'm a new member here and hope to find something to fight my sleeplessness. I've accidentally received a discount (http://nutritionsguru.com/ (http://nutritionsguru.com/)) for Iherb production, maybe you know it, so now i am thinking, maybe i should buy some kind of vitamins or supplements... I've never use them before, but I just don't know what to do. Very tired  :-\
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: VanessaM on April 08, 2017, 09:53:57 AM
I had a spell of really disturbed night recently.  I took 2 nytol (the blue pack), read a good book for about 10 mins and then slept soundly till the next morning!  I did this for a couple of nights to break the spell.

Now I don't take any at bedtime, (not wanting to get into a habit) but if I wake up in the small hours I just take one and back to the land of nod.

These really work for me!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Evelyn63 on April 18, 2017, 10:23:52 AM
I have had a run of bad nights, have a few family concerns so know in part this is contributing , but doesnt help the utter hopelessness that comes with lack of sleep.  I am in the fortunate position of being retired and apart from one day a week doing childcare, which involves a serious early start and late ending ! I have no other pressures about having to get up to do a days work.  Co incidentally the night of the childcare I sleep like one of my charges  :) but not the night before !

This past two nights I have taken half a Nytol, the one a night one's, and read and listen to radio 4.  I find talking lulls me over much better than music.  I set the timer to switch off my phone after 40 minutes and have had two reasonable nights so far.  Last night wasnt so good but I attribute that to a very tense book at bedtime which I kept fast forwarding unto the next chapter !  Definitely a bad choice to induce sleep !
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on April 24, 2017, 06:14:20 PM
Michael Mosely on the 1 Show now about sleep and how to trigger it - 2 kiwi fruits ........  ::)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: dolphin63 on May 16, 2017, 02:01:20 PM
I have a book at the side of my bed, and if I find I can't sleep I'll resort to reading until I'm ready to nod off.  I found it helped switching to decaf tea and coffee too.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Suzi Q on June 08, 2017, 01:55:49 AM
Ive suffered 2 or 3 days a week for as long as i can remember from insomnia.
It was hreat nursing on nights lol x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: marma2010 on June 15, 2017, 09:59:01 AM
Back to the Michael Mosley programme on sleep I have recently been trialling a prebiotic prior to bed.  So far so good.  Dont know why it works but it does seem to.
I also have chillow (brilliant!) and just invested in a 2 tog duvet.  Also magnesium supplement and 5htp.  To be honest I'm just throwing everything at the problem!!
I do think that getting hrt to the right level helps enormously,
What doesn't help is kids having night terrors at 2am, or coming in saying they can't sleep, or dogs barking, or relatives ringing because they are going through a tough time at 3am etc etc.... >:(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sn00py on July 21, 2017, 01:55:12 PM
I am not coping well at all. For 3 1/2 years i have been battling poor sleep and now the insomnia has become chronic. It has become worse the past 5 weeks. I am not on HRT. I take some AD and often resort to Benzos. i know they are addictive. I constantly brood about sleep and don't know how to switch off. Thinking of going to a sleep specialist. Started counseling. I hardly sleep 3 hours per night. I don't know how people live with insomnia for years and years. It keeps me in a constant anxious state during the day. SO i can't sleep during the day either. And my heart keeps pounding in the night. The only recent change recently is, i have stopped periods the last 4 months. I have no hot flashes either. Just light sweats, especially when it is hot around me. I think my sleep problem is now more in my mind than physical. The counselor has suggested CBT. Let's see how that works.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on July 21, 2017, 03:04:18 PM
.......... SnOOpy : and breathhhhhhh - for years I was in a high-powered job and every night woke several times worrying that I had missed doing something ....... eventually I woke in the early hours and thought "Oh well, being awake hasn't killed me yet", went back to sleep and never had problems again.  I also kept a note-book by the bed to put down reminders for the next day which cleared my brain ;-).  I have occasionally nights when I don't sleep: either simply not dropping off or waking after a couple of hours - I do deep breathing, listen to my DH snoring  :o, get up and make a cuppa which I may get round to drinking ....... what sleeping pill are you using?  Are you worrying about the addiction side rather than the benefit of taking say, 1 for 3 consecutive nights so that you get sleep and accepting that maybe for nights 4/5/6 you won't sleep as well?
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Jland on July 21, 2017, 04:41:59 PM
I take a prebiotic in powder form called Inulin. I put it on my cereal in the morning. Sleep has much improved. I have forgotten to take it some weekends & I really feel the difference. I saw it on the TV programme about insomnia. It's made from chicory.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sn00py on July 26, 2017, 03:24:28 PM
"Are you worrying about the addiction side rather than the benefit of taking say, 1 for 3 consecutive nights so that you get sleep and accepting that maybe for nights 4/5/6 you won't sleep as well?"
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Yes, that's what i'm worried about. i have started to take 0.5 to 1 mg Lorazepam along with my AD. Just the AD is not working. My therapist and my husband suggest that i take it for some time to break the sleeplessness cycle and then start reducing it. My doctor says, no don't take it everyday, it will lead to addiction. But i am now taking it as i have no choice. That's the only one that can reduce my heart racing and help me sleep.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sn00py on July 26, 2017, 03:31:57 PM
Thank you for the tip Jland. I will look for it here in Germany. I remember seeing it in drugstores.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Roseneath on August 03, 2017, 08:07:02 AM
I developed dreadful Anxiety fuelled Insommnia out of the blue about 6 weeks after an upsetting family breakdown; didin't  sleep for 5 nights in a row and ended up at A & E in a state (where given valium -only took once).  Worried about sleeping all day. On GP advice took Nitrazepam (old fashioned knock you out sleeping pill) as Z drugs didn't work. Once I had a few days good sleep again I gradually reduced dose over 2 weeks until I was on  0.5 tab. Went on holiday and from Day 1 slept like a baby...just proves being away from stress works wonders.
Now just take 4mg (1 tab) proprananol for anxiety before bed and (touch wood) am back to normal again. Also discovered Mindfullness Apps which are fantastic (Headspace & Calm). I don't do them at night but it the morning. They gIve you strategies to stop the worries going round & round you head.   My heart goes out to you all who are in the middle of Insommnia. I would say go and see your GP earlier but it can improve. I have decided to come off HRT today so hoping it won't return!!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Roseneath on August 03, 2017, 08:11:02 AM
P.S When I got back from holiday I also made our bedroom calmer as the room at the hotel was lovely ....paint job (taupe), new lamps, black out blinds...changed the orientation of the bed....didn't cost a fortune but felt like a new more relaxing space...should hv done it years ago.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sn00py on September 18, 2017, 04:13:14 PM
I take Mirtazapine 15mg and 20 mg Promethazine at 7:40 P.M. for sleep, anxiety and depression. If i still can't sleep, i take another 10mg Promethazine around 11:00 P.M. Not too late. Then i feel terribly groggy in the morning and i can't function.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Roseneath on September 19, 2017, 11:25:05 AM
I had terrible insommnia for 5 nights straight back in May. GP finally gave me Nitrazapam as the 'J' sleeping meds didn't work for me. The Nitrazapam got me a good 5-6 hours straight then over 2 weeks I gradually reduced the dose. The best things I did was go on holiday, totally took me mind off the anxiety of not getting to sleep. I also realised that I slept so well in the hotel because it was pitch black. Got home, painted room taupe, moved bed away from window, got black out blinds, cosy lamps....so far sleeping is much improved. I find at certain times of the month my anxiety /gas AND going to sleep are all off piste; anxiety playing a big part. I still have the Nitrazapan and would not hesitate to take it in the short term as it did get me back on track.  (At one point I Googled 'Imsomnia causes' and was convinced I had a terrible disease called Fatal Insomnia and I would never sleep again! This of course made everything worse. The GP thought it was funny and said it was jut one of many ' internet' diseases that dosn't really exist. No one has died from lack of sleep, your body will always crash out when it really needs to. He was right of course ).
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on September 19, 2017, 11:49:19 AM
Get up and make a cuppa.   I have very busy involved dreams that leave me exhausted each morning and occasionally I wake in the early hours.  usually due to family issues which I deal with in the day but in the early hours  :-\
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Joaniepat on September 19, 2017, 06:57:10 PM
As Roseneath says, having the room dark enough is important. When the local borough council started turning the street lights off at midnight I found I slept much better. Even roller blinds and blackout curtains didn't keep all the light out from the lampost near my bedroom window. My other tips are no caffiene after 3pm and at bedtime a small cup of Clipper Sleep Easy brewed for 5 minutes. Oh and Ovestin helped too, as I don't have to get up in the night any more.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sn00py on September 20, 2017, 03:58:40 PM
Last night i had a hot mug of Horlicks before bed time. And it helped to have a less wakeful night. I woke up at 2:00 A.M but after potty break went back to sleep. Otherwise i am jolted out of sleep at 3:30 and it takes a while to fall asleep.

I also make the bedroom completely dark.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on September 20, 2017, 07:10:59 PM
Horlicks  :sick02: -  :rofl:  funny enough my Mum told me that she found a can in the cupboard so has been making some for change from cocoa.

Another restless night ...... made a cuppa at 5.00  ::)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Roseneath on September 21, 2017, 11:21:25 AM
Update: ! I am re-reading the second hand Nancy Drew  & Arthur Ransome books I liked as a teen! I won't let myself read anything remotely exciting at night e.g. the Laine Moriarty books I like or my Kindle.  Really comforting pre-bed and they don't get your brain whirring round.  Have slept bit better.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Roseneath on November 27, 2017, 11:23:54 AM
Had a bad few days of sleep which means I feel wired and worried today. It is such a vicious circle if you also have anxiety. I think only a head transplant will help! I have some Nitrazapam left but am going to try a glass of wine tonight; yes I know if goes against everything but I think I need to chill out a bit, I am over thinking everything. If anyone comes up with how to turn off a buzzy, worried brain that kicks in at 11:00am let me know! (Have tried...counting sheep, relaxing muscles, imagining nie places, minfullness, getting up, not clock watching, counting backwards from 100, thinking about past holidays....and that was just last night!).
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Kate on November 27, 2017, 11:48:19 AM
I listen to talking books on my phone. Very easy listening books, sometimes children's ones as someone else posted. Nothing too exciting, interesting or scary. I set it to turn off in 45 minutes and listen to it on low through one earphone which falls out once Im asleep and turn over. It stops my mind going into overdrive.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Roseneath on December 09, 2017, 12:28:30 PM
I just wanted to share some sucess I have had with improving my sleep as Insomnia has been one of my worst symptoms which feed everything else.   I am sure hormones play a huge party in my sleep disturbance as it always co-incides with feeling agitated/'panicy'.  I have tried everything when I get a bad bout but this time I seem to have kicked it back in touch much more quickly. 1) Keep the room cool 2) Read something easy a good 30 minutes before bed  whilst drinking 3) Camomile tea 4)  When you turn the light out I keep my eyes open for a good 10 minutes; I make myself not shut my eyes and just let me mind drift.
5) I use Bachs Sleep Rescue. I am a total sceptic when it comes to homeopathic stuff but since using this I have been going off quicker and not waking up as much. Probably just placebo effect but who cares if it works 6) If I have 2-3 really bad 'no sleep' nights in a row I will take half a Nitrazapam sleeping pill. I have only used these twice and only for 1-2 nights but for me they do give me a good 3-4 hours and reset my sleep cycle. I tried the 'Z' drugs and they didn't work for me. 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: sn00py on December 14, 2017, 03:35:24 PM
I am on 15 mg Mirtazapine every night. Thankfully Z drugs work for me. So if i have a bad night, i take 1/2 Zopiclone, which is just 1.85 mg. But it helps. I am still waking up with unpleasant anxiety and depression, which gets better as the day wears on. Some days, it just never gets better. When i fall sick with a flu or a cold, my depression gets worse and subsequently so does my sleep. It takes longer for me to bounce back, especially emotionally. This December it will be 4 years since the whole nightmare started for me. On the whole my sleep has gotten better when i look back 4 years ago. If i go off of Mirtazapine, I think the whole nightmare will start again. So I am sticking on to the meds.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Louise2010 on December 14, 2017, 09:30:56 PM
I regularly (every night for last 2 weeks) wake at 3am or there abouts. I then can't go back to sleep 😩 As a consequence my immune system is compromised and I now have a chesty cough and cold....so I'm not sleeping from coughing 😩
I literally just get up and carry on but I'm exhausted and have aged what looks like 10 years in the last fortnight.
I'm changing my hrt (for peri symptoms) from Evorel S to Fem 7 S. 🤞🏻 Although it's the progesterone that is the culprit so I could be trying out new ones for a while .....😩😩😩
All I really want for Christmas is a whole uninterrupted nights sleep although I've kind of resigned myself to the fact that at 47, this is as good as it gets. 😄
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Roseneath on December 19, 2017, 03:06:03 PM
I really sympathis Louise. I never game sleep a moments thought until I hit peri at 46 and it is my biggest boogyman now.
I have periods I am OK and things work but a few times in the last year I have had whole weeks with little sleep which fuels anxiety. I have literally tried everything but those night I wake after only a few hours and just can't get off. I have Nitrazapam in stock which my GP encourages me to take when everything else fails. It is exhausting though and very hard to live with.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Coll on January 19, 2018, 08:58:03 PM
I keep paracetamol next to my bed, and Iv found 2 of those ( not containing caffeine or e numbers) knock me out almost straight away.
Down side is can't take them during the day anymore for headaches etc in case I fall asleep x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: zodiac on February 01, 2018, 12:00:58 PM
 :'( hi, I only sleep for 4 hrs on a good night, and only 1 hr is deep sleep I only know this as the sleep app on my watch tells me lol, which Ive stopped useing coz it naffs me off, I go to wrk at 5 and Ive already spent all nite trying to sleep,
I don't smoke, don't drink caffeineated drinks, I read a book bfor bed, i only drink decaf coffee and only drink that in a morning at 4am as goto wrk at 5 so in total. Have 2 decaf coffees a day, I take proprananol beta blockers for migraines as its the only thing that keeps them at bay,
Im very active as go to the gym do yoga, take my dogs out, got a granddaughter and one on her way today, :), Ive  tried kalms n sleep aids but the valerian root gives me headaches, I have been given sleeping tablets by the doctor but for how long they will give me them for I don't know but if I don't take them I don't sleep
Im so sick of this menopause crap it's ruining my life, hot, moody, fed up, cant sleep, don't have sex  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: beesue on February 03, 2018, 12:01:48 PM

Paracetamol, hay fever medication etc works but is all drug based so not a long-term option.

I've suffered such a distressing, negative sleeping habit for years; 4 hours a night was good for me.  That's a thing of the past now since I've started taking melatonin before bed.  I read a book called Melatonin Miracle, available on ebay or amazon. (The book claims that melatonin helps with other health issues but what interested me at this stage is improving my sleep! The others will be a bonus.)

There is a suggested dose depending on age.  I take 1.5mg a night BEFORE bed. I ordered my melatonin online, from USA, because it's only available via prescription in the UK.  Why?  I can't go into the reasons for this, crazy.
 
I've never had a problem falling asleep at 10/11pm, my problem was going back to sleep after going to the loo in the early hours of the morning.  No trouble with that anymore!  It's fantastic and the quality of my sleep is as it used to be in my younger days.

A word of caution, take the MINIMUM dosage otherwise you will end up sleepy and switched off the next morning.  Very important.  No driving etc if you are in that state.

I'm so pleased with the fact I have a natural sleep aid which is not habit forming (unlike conventional sleeping tablets which doctors are too quick to prescribe).  Why are doctors happy to prescribe sleeping tablets, why are we forced to take paracetamol or Benadryl and not encouraged to take a natural aid like melatonin?   My life has been utterly transformed! :-)

My hear husband (who is 70 years old) also takes melatonin 3mg and is also very happy!

I would suggest you do your homework, even speak to your doctor if you're thinking of doing the same.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Catfish on February 06, 2018, 09:07:51 AM
Hi I'm new to the forum but joined because I've had a nightmare trying to find the right HRT tablet since prempac has stopped. Been on elleste diet 2mg didn't help had hot flushes, been in femoston 2/10mg but ended up having massive head aches stomach aches and generally feeling unwell. So in December thought we'd try fluoxetine and I'd been told I'd know within 2 weeks if the hot flushes and night sweats were going to stop. No they didn't and I stood it out till January. So a pretty horrible Christmas for me. So now I'm on Cyclo- Progynova 2 mg and just taken the last tablet before the week break. It has taken until last week for my symptoms to fade so I was worried they weren't working. I'm just worried now that this week off will bring the symptoms back
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: l1zzi313 on February 17, 2018, 12:50:17 AM
I love my bed and sleep or used to.... I have nights where I wake around 4 and can't get back to sleep, or toss and turn for hours before giving up. Some nights I am too tired and just lay there other nights put tv on. Some nights I sleep, all with night sweats....
Spoke to my doctor today who said change jobs, give up and wheat, it's a midlife crisis as well as menopause, all because I told him I am tired all the time and have lost my mojo for anything. Go natural, as I can't take HRT... felt deflated... haven't had the energy for cleaning much or ironing etc... and after listening to some ladies relaying their life I one of the lucky ones at present and it is driving me potty! 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: jgr on March 24, 2018, 08:16:09 PM
I haven't slept well since starting the menopause 7 years ago. Went onto hrt patches Evoril Conti and was never bothered with hot flushes. I thought i was nearing the end of the menopause but  night sweats are back, i don't drip in sweat but too hot and need covers off, even when it's cold outside. What i would do for a good nigh sleep again. :(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Fmstewart on April 20, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
Hi all,

How do I cope with insomnia? I don't  >:( I'm 47 year old and haven't been a great sleeper since I had my boys who are now 12 and 14. How ever the last 2 years have got progressively worse. I can't get to sleep or I fall asleep exhausted , wake up at 2am, soaked in sweat or get through to 6am , wake up boiling hot with a pounding heachache. I am lucky to have a spare room, so retreat there some nights. However even that doesn't help and I've then resorted to napping on the couch until it's work/school time. I suffer from joint pain, my complex migraines have increased in frequency, I get flushed. I am crabbit ( Scots for grumpy) . My memory , sex drive have left me. My periods are still kind of regular.

I eventually decided to see the GP this week about my insomnia. As a result I am now about to commence HRT. Evokel Sequi. Fingers crossed 🤞. I'm at my wits end!!!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Loo53 on May 05, 2018, 07:13:36 PM
I watch TV until I feel sleepy, or watch my favourite dvds in bed or take something containing paracetamol to relax me. I wake up 2 hourly and it's really annoying I don't get night sweats and never have. I also plug into my radio and listen to someone droning on and that also helps. Sometimes I'll get up and make a cup of decaf tea. I gave up caffeine a year ago.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Shadyglade on May 05, 2018, 08:25:55 PM
Hi Loo53,

They do say that screen time before bed is not a good idea. Something to do with blue light  ???.

Also you might be better off trying an old fashioned, dozy antihistamine, rather than paracetamol as they are harsh on the liver. Try a warm bath or shower before bed, and reading instead of screen time.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Daisydot on May 05, 2018, 08:37:19 PM
I still swear by redbush vanilla tea,I get a good 7 hours sleep and I monitor it using my Fitbit charge so I know the patterns,it has no caffeine as it's not strictly a tea it's a herb and I only average two cups a day,I have one breakfast tea when I get up then I have a redbush tea at tea time and another before bed.I drink bottled water during the in between times.im very leased with the results since starting on it,tetley make it by the way.x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bluebell1 on May 30, 2018, 07:02:09 AM
Hello everybody. I am desperately needing advice on how to sleep. I am on my 3rd brand of HRT. I slept the best on Femostan but this type of HRT did not agree with me. It increased my anxiety & aggrivated my panic attacks where I was choking in bed as I was trying to sleep & relax. I get off to sleep ok but then wide awake at 2am. I have started with night panics too & fear these tremendously. I am presently on the progesterone part of my HRT. My panic/ night terriors have become worseon mylast week of prog part before im due back on oestrogen. Maybe fluctuating hormones contributing. I feel unstable, shattered & desperate. Can anybody help me. My poor GP will be pulling her hair out soon . Thank you
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Letmein on June 05, 2018, 06:16:29 AM
Poor sleep is the worse symptoms of my menopause. I have led a stressful busy life for most of my life, but sleep was always my saviour. I'm now the worse sleeper I know! I tried HRT, and the only time it helped with the sleep was the first few days on progesterone, but then after only 3/4 days it went the other way and felt so hyper, it's even worse.

I've tried everything, absolutely everything! I exercise almost daily, I take a walk in the evenings, I drink plenty of water, I don't drink alcohol, I stop going on the screens after 9pm. I do read in bed on the lightest light on the kindle. Reading is something I've done every night since I was 6 and what always sent me to sleep. It doesn't any longer.

I go some weeks with falling asleep ok but being wide awake at 4am, to going to bed at 9:30 and still be awake at midnight to waking up non stop, to very poor quality sleep etc... I've tried all natural remedy, even tried melatonin. The only thing that works are the prescribed sleeping pills, which I really don't want to use. What really annoys me is that I can understand poor sleep when I am especially stressed, but I'm finding that I struggle to sleep even when I am good in my mind, which of course doesn't last long as I then struggle with the lack of sleep.

I've decided (as with everything else associated with the meno) that I am as well accepting it. It's rubbish, makes things very difficult at work as my concentration is so poor and I've lost all enthusiasm, but I can't do more than what I'm doing.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: knorman on July 22, 2018, 07:43:25 AM
Has anyone heard of the Alpha Stim? Here is a description; This Cranial Electrical Stimulation (CES) device relieves symptoms of Anxiety, Insomnia & Depression quickly and safely without requiring any form of medication.

It is not cheap, but as all three of the above (not so much depression) are a big issue at the moment, I wondered if it was worth a go.  I will have to access pension funds put away, but I am unable to take HRT or anti-anxiety meds and need to find a natural way to make life more bearable at the moment. I do have prescription sleeping tablets, but try my very best not to take them, unless there is something I need to get through the next day (I have CFS/ME also, which makes any sort of event, social or otherwise, tricky). Trouble is, if I take one, the night heats still wake me up and I am unable to get back off again, which is why I only take them when absolutely necessary. Had to take a bit last night (I cut them into quarters!) and I don't like the way they leave me feeling, but at least I know I have had some sleep.  Sweet, natural sleep, that glorious thing, will it ever come back?!

If anyone has had any dealings with this at all, or know someone who has, would you be kind enough to let me know, good and bad? I've discussed with other half and he says he hears' Quakery', but the British Army has started using this device for PTSD with very good results. I'm not gullible, but do wonder if I am being sucked in, but I have tried all other natural solutions and need help. Thank you! x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Dancinggirl on July 22, 2018, 08:38:01 AM
I would talk to your doctor about this. I'm very sceptical about these alternative remedies.  I have accepted that sleep will never be the same again.  If I get a reasonable 5-6 hours sleep with only 2-3 trips to the bathroom during this time, then I feel I've had a good night. If I have anything stressful going on then the brain doesn't switch off and it's torture.   I do lots of Mindfulness when I lie there awake in the night and I've found this is the only thing that helps.  Occasionally, when desperate, I take an antihistamine which will give me a better night - but as you say - it can make you groggy in the morning.

Sleep deprivation is awful.  DG x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Big D on July 22, 2018, 01:30:42 PM
i find that this is a difficult time for me and one of the more sever symtoms, lack of sleep! i now take a book to bed to read but also have started to take Kalms at night to help me relax.  there are times i have went to work on only one or two hours sleep.  the knock on effect is i tend to be more easily upset and emotional  :'(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on July 22, 2018, 01:56:57 PM
Big D - lack of sleep plus hormonal upheaval makes most of us weepy.  I have replied to your other thread ;-)
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: JaneL on July 25, 2018, 05:29:46 PM
At the moment, with the hot weather and hot flushes, coping very badly.

I listen to audiobooks and sometimes nod off, but I'm not sure about the quality of sleep.

I do use the f.lux screensaver which makes the screen progressively less blue as the evening goes on, and do try to end screentime as early as possible.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Toodle Pips on July 26, 2018, 04:03:47 AM
When my anxiety is ramped up like it was a couple of days ago I don't sleep well at all and use Kalms to help me relax.  It if I only get a couple of hours sleep I become a bit of a basket case and get more anxious. When I am calmer in myself, like I am at the moment, I fall asleep quickly but wake up after about four hours needing the bathroom. I normally drop off again easily, but am usually awake properly by 4am, like I am now. But to be honest, my sleeping patterns change all the time. I don't particularly worry about it as long as I have had five or six hours sleep, then I am fine. I can live with that.

I am however having to sleep downstairs at the moment due to this heat, plus I get vertigo when I lie on my left side, but sleeping on the sofa means that I stay lying on my back, and so I don't get dizzy.

Oh the joys of it all!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Roseneath on August 20, 2018, 11:20:32 AM
Insomnia has been one of the most difficult and life upsetting aspects for me. It is certainly fuelled by my anxiety and I think hormone/cortisol at certain times and being too hot. I have managed to ' contain' it in the past few months (touch wood). The following have helped.... I ditched the duvet and now have just a folded duvet 'sheet', I have a cold 'wash down' before I go to bed (much to husbands' amusement), I have painted the room a mushroom/taupe from magnolia, new cheap black out blinds on-line, moved bed to a different wall, sometimes use ear plugs, read very 'easy' books before bed (Nancy Drew or Jilly Cooper in my case), no hot drinks or food a good two hours before bed and (I blush to share this with anyone) I sometimes take my sons stuffed gorilla to bed; it seems to calm down the anxiety.   A bit of CBT I got from an App helps too. I picture my fear of not sleeping as a small, silver ' blob' with eyes which I have placed next to my bed. Every time I 'worry' about the fact I am not asleep I think that worry if the ' blob'; not attached to me but just there and not part of me.  If I get a  really bad few nights in a row I now have some GP prescribed sleeping tabs  as having just one ' good' night seems to reset my system for a few months.Lack of Sleep + Menopause symptoms =  :o
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: JaneL on August 24, 2018, 04:16:24 PM
Me too roseneath - is so difficult to function properly with insomina as an affliction. I'm very impressed with all the things you've tried and done to help with this. I've also been using the shower a lot, though it doesn't work with night sweats all the time.

I love your idea of a gorilla to cuddle, don't be shy! Maybe it would be good decoy for my husband to cuddle when I'm having a hot turn....
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Roseneath on August 25, 2018, 10:59:17 AM
JaneL. It is funny with the gorilla (or Norman as I call him!). I think it give me comfort in a subconscious way as it reminds me of my son when he was a baby (yes he was very hairy!). Actually my son (now 10) gave me him to sleep with when I had problems sleeping. I was reluctant to share this on the forum as I thought people would think I was nuts taking a soft toy to bed but it is something which has helped relax me in the small hours (and when my husband has had enough of me waking him up).  The gorilla never judges!  I think insomnia is a life wrecking part of  Peri as it has such a knock on effect on everything else and effects the whole family.  So Norman is staying put for now (and my son has bought a panda called Parker for himself!). Good luck. I think you can self help with sleep problems but it takes a bit of work and patience to find the right routine .
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: JaneL on August 26, 2018, 01:10:52 PM
Thanks Roseneath, do whatever you need to do I think - and well done for sharing, I suspect you'll find we'll have done many more loopy things. "The gorilla never judges!" :)

Actually, I think being open about how we're feeling is very important. There's a tendency to suffer in silence I guess, I know I do it.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Bluebell1 on November 11, 2018, 08:05:00 PM
Hi all. I struggle to sleep . I can get offto sleep then wake up at 2am with night sweats & night anxiety ..? How can I stop this . I take HRT . This did help initially but now... has stopped. GP just started me on Propanalol. Fingers ctossed..!!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: NaturalMystic on December 17, 2018, 08:34:51 PM
Propranolol helps reduce the heart rate when pounding so use it.

Me, amitriptine works, helps sleep thus less twighlight hour panics xx
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tc on January 11, 2019, 10:11:29 PM
Since my wife died I have taken to cuddling a pillow it doesn't help fall asleep but it seems to comfort me a bit.
Oh and..embaressement alert. I have found myself sucking my thumb. Something I did as a child long into my teens. Again its comfort i guess.Think I might have over shared with that one. Sorry.
I have found that ASMR has helped me nod off even though I don't stay asleep. Also use "headspace". Videos. They don't always work sometimes I'm just too anxious for anything and then I resort to an antihistamine or a travel sickness pill. My doc won't prescribe sleeping tablets. She said they are only a short term solution for 7 days so wouldn't help me!!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: CLKD on January 12, 2019, 09:19:19 AM
Nothing is over shared on here.  It is what it is  ;).  Whilst going through a drawer last month I found my very old, very tattered bear.  My maternal gran used to knit one a year  ::). I also sucked one finger, hence my front teeth are crooked.  Do you have anything that has her scent on it? 
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Tc on January 12, 2019, 12:00:16 PM
CLKD. So funny cos just like you I have a little monkey she knitted me which is always with me.
Sadly the scent doesn't last. Hence gradually letting go of all the clothes of hers I kept.
She was allergic to perfume but if she had worn onecim sure I'd be spraying it everywhere.
My teeth stick out at the front as well. Thumb sucking a hard one to break. You can take away a dummy but not the thumb. My nan who lived with us used to paint my thumb with this horrible tasting stuff but I just got used to it.
Do you still find yourself doing it sometimes?
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Foxylady on May 20, 2019, 07:18:27 PM
Hi, I'm new to the site. Poor & lack of sleep along with hot flushes were my first symptoms aged 37 about 3 years ago. After being told by GP not the menopause and investigated for many weird and wonderful things I tried alot of different things including Vallarian, Cherry juice. I am now taking Magnesium supplements along with my Vitamin D before bedtime (as recommended on the forum). Started on HRT 8+ weeks ago, hopeful it helps with the sleep, sweats etc. I've also changed my diet (5:2 fast) and lost 17lb, again to see if this helps with symptoms. Of course the problem with changing so many things is how do you know what works, although I suspect a combination of things will be what most folk find rather than one thing addressing all the issues.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: ali19698 on May 23, 2019, 01:28:56 PM
New on here, but in need of help.  Been taken off HRT as been on for many years.
Still getting the hot flushes at night, just cannot sleep.   Any suggestions anyone please. :'(
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: squeaker99 on May 23, 2019, 03:02:14 PM
Hi Ali. Just wanted to empathise with you really. I never gave sleep a moments thought until Peri struck about 4 years ago. Since then I have had 3 or 4 bad 2-3 week bouts. When you are in the middle of it or get a totally sleepness night it is wretched.  After a couple of bad night I was in such a panic last night I didn't sleep at all. I felt terrified the whole night. Today I have tried so hard to carry on buy am dreading tonight. I have ordered a good Kindle Book called the Effortless Sleep Companion by Sasha Banks which is good. I have always been a worrier so can see a pattern since Peri kicked in. Hugs to you.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Birdy on May 26, 2019, 08:41:24 PM
New on here, but in need of help.  Been taken off HRT as been on for many years.
Still getting the hot flushes at night, just cannot sleep.   Any suggestions anyone please. :'(

You can stay on HRT for good! Did your doctor tell you otherwise? If so, he/she is wrong! Please go back and ask to be given HRT again, and for them to read the NICE guidelines. Of course your symptoms are returning!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: kew on June 09, 2019, 06:53:48 AM
Have been on hrt for about 3 years and it has helped enormously with my sleep, which prior to starting HRT had been very restless, waking several times a night due to being either too hot or too cold, and not helped by waking at 3am each morning, even onHRT.

Now I need to be in bed by 9.30 and definitely be 10am if I am to get enough sleep. I still get disturbed sleep but have found a bedtime tea that is wonderful by Clipper teas, and this seems to give me a less disturbed night though I still wake up early. I use two teabags per cup.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Miss M on June 23, 2019, 08:15:35 AM
Since taking utrogestan 100mg (progesterone) every night I have been having a much improved sleep. I don't waken through the night however I do feel a bit groggy although that goes after ten mins. A small price to pay. It is such a relief after 5 years of broken sleep.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Foxylady on June 23, 2019, 08:31:25 AM
That's great to hear missM, light at the end of the tunnel, long may it continue!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Dorastar on July 27, 2019, 01:56:33 AM
Guess I should join in the thread too since this is my second or third week of 2am- 3am night sweats and no sleeping. Definitely peri but periods just carrying on as if they'll never end but with the added bonus of headaches and now this too. Hate waking up absolutely boiling (I'm normally freezing) and then everyone in family is a snorer so there's nowhere in the house I can't hear them. Am a miserable sod then for the rest of the day and trying not to have a nap is proving really hard. Not sure if it's worth a trip to the doctors or whether they'd just say it's way too early to do much because of periods.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Dancinggirl on July 27, 2019, 07:29:34 AM
Hi Dorastar - welcome to MM
The peri stage can be awful with all the fluctuations. You don't say how old you are?
Unfortunately if your periods are still regular it can be difficult to get doctors to do anything about you problems. GPS are way too quick to proscribe anti depressants for meno symptoms and these are very far from ideal. Low dose HRT might help a bit but there are a couple of good BCPs that include natural oestrogen which can be good in peri meno - Qlara is one of them.
This horribly humid weather doesn't help right now. It is worth learning relaxation techniques e.g. Mindfulness, to help with the insomnia and awful fatigue. DG x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Foxylady on July 27, 2019, 07:57:49 AM
Dorastar, I sympathise with you, as dancinggirl says it can be difficult to get GP's to acknowledge what is going on as being menopause related. I'm 41yr, had 3 years of horrendous symptoms & ended up being investigated for all sorts of unusual things (I initially went to GP thinking it was menopause symptoms). Read up about the blood tests as my original GP went down that route, bloods were normal (common as they fairly day to day in ones cycle) so they decided not menopause. Anyway to cut a long story short I was started on Fluoxetine (AD) by different GP for sweats primarily but it definately lifted my mood (my OH described me as 'flat' which summed it up) at the end of that week I was started on HRT for peri (GP had emailed menopause specialist about me and her advice was HRT, which I had gone to the GP asking for after reading up on the info from the lovely ladies on here). So approx 5 months on HRT and I feel amazing, still taking Fluoxetine but will wean myself off shortly. I also overhauled my lifestyle, been doing FAST 5:2 diet (not for everyone, find one that suits you, if it applies) lost over 2 stone so far, motivated to keep going. I don't think there is one answer but a number of factors that can help with symptoms, I also take some supplements, again these will be personal to you and dependent on other health conditions, medications etc. Let us know how you get on. x
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: jessiew on July 31, 2019, 06:24:00 PM
I don't take anything to sleep just putting up with night sweats and lack of sleep get to sleep and then no sleep from 2 am get up at 5 am it's miserable !!
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Osprey on October 18, 2019, 01:52:51 PM
I struggled with sleeplessness and it's aftereffects of it at work and went on to HRT because of that one symptom that was really destroying life - greatly helped, but not perfect.  Still get quite a lot of bad nights.  I don't want this to sound wrong but the other day I thought  "S** it, I am never going to sleep well again!!! Better learn to live with it"   but did not expect anything to happen.  However, although I still sleep badly and wake a lot, I now don't seem to stress about it as I lie there awake and in the morning feel as if the night has been a bit better. It does sound a bit 'goody' but I think the unexpected unconscious decision not to be angry about it has taken the edge of the bad feelings.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Wrensong on October 18, 2019, 02:24:37 PM
Hi Osprey, :welcomemm:.

I think your attitude is laudable - insomnia can be a very frustrating symptom of menopause & one which some of us continue to struggle with despite HRT - me included.  However, if there's some improvement from HRT & no deal-breaking side effects, I'd say better with than without.  Getting as much R&R as you can during the day in the form of whatever floats your boat, should mean your whole system is as relaxed as it can be at this transitional time & with any luck, the more chilled you are, the less your fight & flight response will be primed & better sleep may eventually follow over time. 

General advice to promote good sleep that I'm sure you're already aware of is no heavy meals in the evening, don't exercise too hard or too late in the day, alcohol may worsen sleep (sorry, don't shoot the messenger!) keep your bedroom cool & dark, no screen use too close to bedtime & keep the bedroom for sleep & sex!

Good to hear of a positive attitude - we certainly need as much of that as we can muster at this stage in our lives.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Osprey on October 23, 2019, 09:44:00 AM
Thanks for responding!  All good advice about sleep prep which I do try to follow - certainly no blue screens, but books...
Also reassurance about taking HRT - I have been wondering if I should begin weaning myself off it as being a sensible thing to do long term.  I have patches and was thinking about gradually extending the time between replacing them.  However maybe I won't do that just yet.
Title: Re: Tell us how you cope with poor sleeping
Post by: Wrensong on October 23, 2019, 08:31:51 PM
Hi Osprey.  Yes to book at bedtime!  OH reads aloud to me most nights & sends me to sleep before he's finished almost every time.  No idea what he's read when he asks the next day!  It's staying asleep that I can't master, but that's at least better than it was in peri when insomnia & night sweats nearly sent me insane.

Only you know whether the time's right to try reducing your HRT.  It needn't be an irreversible decision.  :)