Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Sandra W on June 20, 2021, 11:29:23 AM
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Hi Ladies,
does anyone have osteo arthritis in their hands? Or did you have it before taking HRT? I am wondering if adding some oestrogen might help my hand pain symptoms.
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Yes i have it in a few of my fingers, i have been on systemic HRT for 5 years and it hasn't made any difference.
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Hi Sandra W, ditto as Tinkerbell - got it from gardening and HRT has made no difference (been on HRT off and on for seven years and it started afterwards). Having said that, HRT has certainly helped with pain and problems I've had with other joints (hips primarily). Always worth a try... :)
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I get some pain in my hands, mainly my left which is strange as I am righthanded. I also get some pain and stiffness in my left hand thumb joint, which may be the tendon as it goes up my arm in a mini spasm.
Have never been on HRT and think it's just the dreaded ageing process. ::)
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I replied to this earlier :-\ what I was trying to share was, after lots of cutting back of a Winter flowering honeysuckle yesterday, my wrists have ached - not enough to take 'nurofen'.
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I believe oestrogen can slow the progress of OA but not cure it. I had pain in my hips that went when I started on hrt but it hadn't been bad enough to see a doctor and presumably wasn't OA. Worth a try imo.
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OA is natural wear and tear of joints due to constant use. We evolved upright so the pressure throughout the joints is impacted from the time we get out of bed. Gaps between joints become dry ::) which allows them to rub together = pain. Upright was not the way to go !! think of chimps that walk bent over ;-)
'nurofen' when necessary helps my symptoms.
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I've got a horrible mucous cyst on my finger joint and the nail has gone weird. Other finger joints painful too. I was also wondering if hrt would help. I'm just on local. Also got hip pain. I really hate it! Aargh!
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I have been on Livial for a few years, stopped it for a while but then had very painful knees,went back on it and pain stopped
A Dr at my surgery rang about 3 months ago and suggested i come off it again, due [as she said] to possible breast cancer links,
I stopped again, but now have not only painful knees, also painful hands,and elbows,
I sleep on my back and often wake up with arms behind my head,i can hardly move my arms without pain in my elbows,very stiff, also aching hips, groin, and back
Walking up and down stairs i feel it badly in my knees
In fact aching all over,i feel i have aged in about 2 months
I am going to ask my own Dr for it again,
I dont like Drs i have never seen or spoken to suggesting i stop taking certain things when they don't know my history
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jaycee - why did you stop if the regime was working :-\
GPs still quoting the cancer 'risks' >:( :bang: - did he also say that alcohol and being over weight are more likely to cause cancer than HRT? Let us know how you get on, sometimes the regime won't help if one goes back to it.
'getting stuck' in a position - why does the brain allow that to happen :o ! it must know that we will be painful when trying to uncurl, we're not slots are we ::)
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I stopped for a few months as i was losing hair and wondered if it was connected to the Livial,as it has androgenic properties,
I didn't notice any difference in my hair,but my knees got very stiff and painful,
A newish Dr rang me and said you need to stop the Livial as it can cause breast cancer i explained what had happened before but she stopped it anyway,as she said the risk was too high
I am in my 70s,by the way,and a few years agostarted having night sweats, was also having flushes for years,my own Dr agreed to let me go back on Livial after quoting him the Nice guide lines,
At my age i think i still should have some quality of life
I am faily sctive and look after myself
Im not someone who wants to sit around knitting in my slippers etc
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Hi jaycee. Could you use a different HRT to Livial as tablet HRT isn't advised for over 60's due to the risk of stroke. This may be what your GP was thinking. Could you swap to a patch?
Taz x
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I thought that livial was specifically for older women, post meno though not over 60s. I was on it for a while age 62 and I came off for other reasons, but my gp would have been happy to continue prescribing for longer. I think Jaycee that it is wrong for the gp to just take you off something. I think if the risks are explained to you , you should be given a choice. It's your life and it's quality that counts. It annoys me because over the years GPS have given me stuff and never mentioned risks, not hrt stuff but other things. Then if you get bad side effects, eg tinnitus that I got, they just deny it. Just fobbing you off on the phone is very demoralising
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*Taz* i did try Evoral Conti, but that DID make my hair shed a lot,i think it was th particular prgestrone in it,same happened to my daughters hair when she was given it,
I did ask this Dr if i could try another type of patch and she said it has the same risks
I am going to try to speak to my own Dr, but it is difficult to see anyone now face to face, and as he is so popular he has a long list of phone callers to answer, [apparently]
I think it is disgusting now you have to go through the receptionists first
My hair stopped shedding ages ago, but just not growing back,
I have tried Regaine for 8 months now and no difference
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Can you book a telephone appointment with this doctor specifically, saying it is an HRT issue? It's a nightmare with the GPS now . Has this doc just left you with nothing?
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GPs are 'open for business'. Matt says so! No problem in my Surgery, especially when I put foot down with firm hand.
Ring, explain that you need to speak to a GP in the Surgery and if not, would a house call be possible ;-). Or tell them that you are on your way ? ? There is no reason why face2face isn't possible .......... take a list with you.
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Yes she says it is too risky to be on any HRT,I WILL TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH MY OWN dR,WHEN I WENT OFF THEM BEFORE AND THEN GOT THIS PROBLEM WITH JOINTS,I JUST LEFT A MESSAGE FOR HIM AND ASKED FOR THEM BACK,AND EXPLAINED WHY,HE JUST PUT THEM BACK ON MY REPEAT PRESCRIPTION, NO QUESTIONS ASKED,
Sorry blooming caps on
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;D ........... let us know how you get on? [The Government was planning on making ZOOM the single way to 'visit' a GP but that has been over-ruled, due to the public reminding them who pays the wages of the NHS]!
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I will let you know,not ringing today had a few things to do and popped out,so will be in all day tomorrow, can wait for a call back
I think Drs should be able to see people now face to face,and not everyone has the internet anyway
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Really hope you get somewhere. Quality of life is so important. You shouldn't just be fobbed off.
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Rang the Drs this morning, can't get an appointment [even telephone] until th 12th of July, :o 8)
Receptionist said try ringing at 8 am tomorrow, see if they can fit me in
When are these Drs going to get back to working normally if ever,this is just ridiculous ,fuming
>:(
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Can U turn up at the surgery? Ringing is rarely the 'way to go' as the 'phone is either engaged or no one answers! I phoned a couple of weeks ago, was '1st in the queue' for 15 mins, then told that they could no longer deal with the call.
Or write a note, put through the surgery door asking for your particular GP to phone you - give them a time too, so that you don't sit waiting for a call which might not happen?
It's the front of house staff with no medical training at all that are in some surgeries, deciding who will speak/see a GP! I wonder if the BMA is covering them with Insurance should someone die!
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I have finally got a telephone appointment on the 5th of July,rang at 8am and was already 16th in the queue
I can continue to ring at 8am and maybe get an earlier one
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Criky - that's not good enough.
Sadly many GPs who qualified in the 1980s are retiring and not many trainees seem to want to be GPs. As with dentists, there will be a gap in the NHS health care system.
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July 5 is ridiculous. Unfortunately it seems whatever complaints, letters,. anything you do to change things is futile.
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Any improvement in over all pain and movement?
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*CLKD* no improvement,in fact lower back is aching now as well, i will wait for the 5th of July appointment now i think,and if it's a Dr i don't know i will ask for my own Dr
Top of legs ache when walking, so can't walk too far or fast
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It's not good enough. Who won't let you speak to a GP until 5th July, a receptionist? Since when have they had control - I refuse to tell ours my personal symptoms ;-).
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Yes receptionists like to tell you what you can and can't do, she asked me why i wanted to speak to a Dr,i said it's personal
I had to ring my sons surgery in Deceber,he has troule walking due to illness, and he hasnt been able to see a Dr for a long time or have treatment,he is a twin and both got the same illness,my other son has been well looked after and able to speak to his Dr,and talk about any problems,they
both have Haemochromatosis, and should have blood tests and venesections to keep their ferritin down,
The other twin has been able to do this since march, the one who couldn't see his Dr,seemed to be ignored,he couldn't get out of the bath one day,and was stuck in there for about 2 hours
I rang his surgery to ask for an appointment for him,and explained what had happened
The receptionist said "can't he come and live with you" i was fuming and said he has his own flat,and it took a lot of red tape to get it, i said he needs an appointment,she said can't put him in until March
I then rang and asked to speak to the manager and when i did i made a complaint,and now he is having treatment
No one should have to go through that
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That's disgusting. I don't think those responses are rare nor are they GP led. There's been a lot of similar in the letters page of the Telegraph.
It doesn't take 5 mins to write down that a patient has concerns, hand it to a GP/Practice Nurse and a 'phone call be made. Many medics have been standing around doing not a lot in some areas of the UK.
When I've been to my surgery for blood tests there's been no one else in the waiting room - plenty of Staff but not patients.
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Well my telephone appointment is in the morning,i am going to suggest patches again, but the last Dr who rang me and took me off the livial said they are just as bad,
My knees are very painful, also my hips are if i walk too much, as well as arms elbows and hands
Will update after phone call
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"just as bad" as :-\
HRT protects bones and heart. It's 'replacement' for what the body is shedding - many forget that word which is important. Do have a list of symptoms to discuss .
Look forwards to your update!
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UPDATE;The same Dr who took me off the livial suggested a patch,i reminded her of what she said last time,
Anyway she agreed to patches but only have the Evoral Conti, which i was sure made my hair shed more,
The Dr said it's worth trying,it could have been a coincidence as it was already shedding,
Reluctantly agreed ,if that is all they had,otherwise it would be 2 separate regimes,which she said was a faff
Will see how it goes for a month initially, but she has given me 3 months worth
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Tnx. It's the Trial and Error that can be so tiring :-\