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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Jools1x on January 12, 2021, 04:15:23 PM
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Hi ladies!
I have tried oestrogel and the estrodot patch but cannot feel a difference as yet, was considering trying lenzetto spray, I was wondering if anybody has had good results from using this? Xx
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Yes, I am currently using it, I am 5 or so week into the change over from Estraderm patches. I had previously also tried Evorel, Oestrogel, and Evorel Conti.
I am noticing some fab differences so far, much more consistent dosing (i was losing patches through them peeling off, left, right and centre!)
I am also having none of the breathlessness I was getting, I am still unsure whether that was a side-effect or whether it was a lack of oestrogen causing it, but either way, it has gone. My palpitations are now few and far between too (a main sign for me that it was inconsistent previously).
I would say it took a good 3 weeks for it to settle, and I started on 2 sprays a day, but i now use 3 and that seems to suit me.
The spray takes up a really small space on your forearm, and dries super-quick (less than 30s to 1min)
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I’m using Lenzetto spray, it seems to be making some difference after 6 weeks but it does take me months to see any major improvements, I get much worse before better, now getting some good days, still not sleeping though. Give it a try. It may just be that the dose isn’t high enough on your current one or that it takes more time.
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I’ve just done a search for Lenzetto threads :)
I’m about to give it a go instead of using Estradot patches. A fabulous GP spent ages talking to me today and suggested trying this spray, as I am needing to increase the Estradot dose I currently use.
It’s for a 6-8 week trial then we will review to see which option is suiting me best.
I’d love to hear how others are getting on.
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I trialled Lenzetto a few years ago and I really liked it. I found it very user friendly and it dries in seconds. However, after a while, my symptoms returned and I decided to go back to Oestrogel but I'm now very, very post menopause and I can easily tolerate a lower dose of oestrogen so I have decided to give Lenzetto another try.
I ordered some last week and will be starting it again soon. Hopefully it will work but I have nothing to lose if it doesn't!
It's definitely not suitable for women who need to achieve very high levels of oestrogen, it's really aimed at those who are post menopause.
I wrote to the manufacturers and they said it provides a stable dose at lowish levels. With three pumps every day you could hope to achieve about 300 pmol.
Worth a try I would say.
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Thank you Mary G.
It really will be a trial to see if I can get a high enough level of Oestrogen. I will be on 3 sprays after a week of using 2.
I do have a history of absorption issues so I’m not sure how I’ll get on. I’ve been on 200 mcg of Estradot for just over three years and my recent blood test was 205 pmol, along with having symptoms of low Oestrogen. I have added another third of a patch the last couple of weeks, which has helped.
The lovely GP I spoke to is a Menopause Specialist, so I’ve decided to try the spray for 6-8 weeks.
I hope you get on ok- I’d be interested to hear how it goes. :)
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I'm still using it with success.....no issues at all, and can monitor dosage depending on symptoms, as I can tell when I am low as I start getting fluttery palpitations, so generally 1 spray morning and night keeps me in check, but I have the option of 3 if I need it.
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I'm still using it with success.....no issues at all, and can monitor dosage depending on symptoms, as I can tell when I am low as I start getting fluttery palpitations, so generally 1 spray morning and night keeps me in check, but I have the option of 3 if I need it.
So good to hear you’re still doing well :)
I’ve picked my supply up from the Pharmacy this afternoon. Perhaps you can help me with a query I’m left with after reading the leaflet.
It says use the forearm and I will be using 3 sprays, so the whole of the forearm. It also says have no contact with children, so clothing needs to be worn. I’m left wondering how you can care for a baby/child in the hotter weather when you won’t be wearing sleeves. It didn’t say no contact for an hour after application so it sounds like it’s all the time. If that is the case then I will have to use my inner thigh.
What’s your understanding? Am I just being ‘foggy headed’ and not understanding it ;D
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Hmm, well I tend to apply it and leave uncovered for 2 mins, then cover with top etc. I rotate areas and arms, so i reckon you have a good 4 spaces on each inner forearm, so i would just rotate them around.
I understood 'no contact' to be for the first hour or so.....but i'm not sure if I have just dreamed that now....I will have a look round for more info.
Good Luck, I hope it works for you!
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Hmm, well I tend to apply it and leave uncovered for 2 mins, then cover with top etc. I rotate areas and arms, so i reckon you have a good 4 spaces on each inner forearm, so i would just rotate them around.
I understood 'no contact' to be for the first hour or so.....but i'm not sure if I have just dreamed that now....I will have a look round for more info.
Good Luck, I hope it works for you!
Thanks PMDD, I’d appreciate that.
It would make better sense if it was just an hour, but I didn’t think it said that in the section about children, which has confused me. Just said cover with clothing after leaving it to dry for two minutes. I hardly ever have long sleeves on!
I’m considering applying it at night to make it a safer option.
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I’ve just switched to Lenzetto, I was previously on the estradot 25 my reason for swapping is the awful bloating that I thought may be due to the estradot, I’m hoping the spray will help with insomnia, joint pain especially hips and hands, tinnitus, dizziness etc! I’ve been on 1 spray for 3 weeks and I feel I may have a little more energy, I’m going to increase to 2 sprays after 4 weeks and see how I get on. My Mum has severe osteoporosis so I’m on a mission to protect my bones, heart etc with estrogen!
So far no awful side effects so fingers crossed, I saw online one pump equated to roughly a pump and a half of the gell :)
It’s encouraging to read your posts I’m feeling hopeful xxx
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Good to hear you’re feeling positive Smitten.
I’ve been on it a week using 2 sprays and I can feel it working better then the patches I was using. I was to increase to 3 sprays this week, but I think I’ll leave it longer and see how I feel.
It’s always a relief when something works :D
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Oh that’s great to hear Salad, it seems really convenient so far! :) xxxx
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The lovely GP I spoke to is a Menopause Specialist, so I’ve decided to try the spray for 6-8 weeks.
I'm using it. I don't think it's strong enough for me. I'm on 4 sprays a day. I'm either going to need 5 or 6 or a patch/spray combo I think.
I just wanted to say that I don't think 6-8 weeks will be long enough for you to trial it. You will feel some changes by then, but I'd suggest your trail for 12 weeks.
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So far no awful side effects so fingers crossed, I saw online one pump equated to roughly a pump and a half of the gell :)
My own experience is that it's nothing like a pump and a half of gel. It's weaker. You were on a very low dose patch. I'd say aim for 2-3 sprays a day and see how it goes for you. I'm on 4 and need to go up to 5 now. Possibly 6. Review next week to see what Dr Newson says. I have way too many symptoms on 4 sprays a day.
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Hi SueLW,
Generally I am tolerating it really well, but some palpitations are breaking through.....i was wondering whether Lenzetto might be a bit weaker, as i was using 100-125mcg patch prior to this....but assumed i was imagining it!
I might try a bit higher, and see.....thanks for the kick up the bum to try xx
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The lovely GP I spoke to is a Menopause Specialist, so I’ve decided to try the spray for 6-8 weeks.
I'm using it. I don't think it's strong enough for me. I'm on 4 sprays a day. I'm either going to need 5 or 6 or a patch/spray combo I think.
I just wanted to say that I don't think 6-8 weeks will be long enough for you to trial it. You will feel some changes by then, but I'd suggest your trail for 12 weeks.
Thanks SueLW - the trial of 6-8 weeks is for me then to be reviewed by the GP to see how I’m doing.
I’m currently using 2 sprays in the morning and 1 at night, only my second week on it. I’ve been having a breakthrough of symptoms about 3 pm with a headache and not feeling great. And again at 4 am when I wake up and have a night sweat. So I’m not sure 3 sprays is enough. I’ll keep at this level for the next couple of weeks and think if I want to increase.
I’ve had some relief of several symptoms though eg reduced breast tenderness, my hair texture has improved dramatically and I feel well throughout the morning. So it’s definitely better than the patches I’ve been on. It’s early days though, so I’ll see how things go. :)
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So far no awful side effects so fingers crossed, I saw online one pump equated to roughly a pump and a half of the gell :)
My own experience is that it's nothing like a pump and a half of gel. It's weaker. You were on a very low dose patch. I'd say aim for 2-3 sprays a day and see how it goes for you. I'm on 4 and need to go up to 5 now. Possibly 6. Review next week to see what Dr Newson says. I have way too many symptoms on 4 sprays a day.
Thank you Sue, I’ve just done 2 sprays for the first time so will see how that goes, I have definitely felt some improvement so far as you say I was on a very low dose patch so will see how this goes! The pain in my hands has really eased which is great for work, I’m a designer/photographer so use my hands all the time and it was becoming so painful! I’m hopeful if I can get some improvement on my sleep the fatigue will improve a little too! Has anyone else experienced hip pain? If I can improve on that I’d be so happy! I assume it takes a little while to see the benefits in relation to joint pain improvement? :). Have a lovely day all xxx
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Thank you Sue, I’ve just done 2 sprays for the first time so will see how that goes, I have definitely felt some improvement so far as you say I was on a very low dose patch so will see how this goes! The pain in my hands has really eased which is great for work, I’m a designer/photographer so use my hands all the time and it was becoming so painful! I’m hopeful if I can get some improvement on my sleep the fatigue will improve a little too! Has anyone else experienced hip pain? If I can improve on that I’d be so happy! I assume it takes a little while to see the benefits in relation to joint pain improvement? :). Have a lovely day all xxx
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Hi Smitten , I too have sore painful hands ( had tests and all clear) and hip pain. It is great to hear the positive reports with Lenzetto . I too have tinnitus. ( It is a joy getting older ::) I would be interested in how it goes for you. It sounds like Lenzetto absorbs well. Are you taking Utrogestan also?
Best wishes Pepperminty X
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Hello Pepperminty no estrogen only as I had a hysterectomy just over 3 years ago 😊 my third day on 2 sprays and my sleep has been awful, it may not be the Lenzetto I guess, I will persevere and drop back down to 1 spray if need be see if it makes a difference. Xxx
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Hi Smitten,
It is a mine field. I would give it a bit longer and see if it improves. And yes we tend to blame everything on HRT sometimes. Stress can play a part if you are worried about the new regime. Maybe try some relaxation. Good luck.
Let us know how it goes .
PMX
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Thank you xx I’m pleased to be doing it now as I’m currently working at home which is actually pretty lovely! And so much better if you’ve slept terribly 😊😊
Have a lovely evening xxx
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Hi Smitten, how are you getting on with the Lenzetto, sleep?
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Hi :) possibly a very slight improvement, I’m usually awake around 5am on a really good night, I was finding I was waking several times a night when I last posted! Early days I guess but I think there’s still improvement 😊 xxx
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I'm now over 4 weeks into my second attempt at Lenzetto and so far, so good. Unlike the last time I trialled it 3 years ago, my symptoms have not returned.
Another member brought this link to my attention which might be helpful re dosage:
https://www.menopausedoctor.co.uk/menopause/hrt-the-different-ingredients-brands-and-strengths-available
The Newson Clinic say that 1 spray of Lenzetto is roughly equivalent to 2 pumps of Oestrogel or a 50mcg patch but last time around, my oestrogen blood levels were about 300 pmol on 3 sprays of Lenzetto which does not make sense. Perhaps they have tweaked the formula? That might explain why it was withdrawn in Spain for a while.
I hope everyone else is doing well with Lenzetto.
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I’m doing a lot better on it. I do 2 sprays morning and 2 in the evening.
The only issue I need to clarify is where I am putting the spray.
I can’t use my forearms as I have a brand new granddaughter and I don’t want to risk touching her with the area treated. I tried my inner thighs, but the symptoms weren’t controlled, so now I’m doing the back of the top of my arm.
I do feel a lot better than I have for about a year though and I actually have ‘hair’ back instead of wild, straw like tresses ;D
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Mary G
I’m on Lenzetto also. I watched a video that Dr Newson has done and on there she said that one spray of Lenzetto is more like 1 pump of gel. I also contacted the manufacturer and they sent some data from studies that were done and I was surprised at the results, it isn’t very strong at all and if you don’t absorb brilliantly that that also makes a difference. Each increased dose is not comparable with the first so if for example you get say 50 pmol blood with one spray you don’t get 100 pmol with 2 or 150pmol with 3 sprays, I guess it’s the same with all HRT, I don’t know. It’s just finding one that gives relief of symptoms.
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I was wondering if Fake tan effects the absorption?
I know putting moistuiser and fake tan effects the gel etc. But I was wondering as it is a spray whether it absorbs differently.
PMX
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Floo36, thanks for the info, that is interesting and would explain my low blood reading three years ago.