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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: CLKD on January 01, 2021, 02:02:09 PM
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Pity that the Army didn't spray cold water on all those who decided to gather at the various vantage points across the UK! Which bit of 'stay at home' don't the public get?
£10,000 fines - who pays that? All those attending illegal gatherings put into the kitty knowing that the Police will break up the party and what a waste of essential services :'(.
I don't understand people being so selfish :-\
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I know what you mean. Yesterday the new case count was over 3000. It will no doubt climb once the holiday numbers are counted. I am sure people were partying it up last night.
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And in Oz over the weekend. On a beach can't remember the name :'( and then sending photos across the World. Oh how clever we are to meet up with friends. NOT >:(
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'cos there is more sheep than people there? Population either in Auckland or spread across the countryside in small numbers?
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So is this a new thread or the original one that disappeared?
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I crept in ........
:-X
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Any sharks circling? ;D
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;D probably :whist:
Why can't people accept the restraints in order to keep others safe :-\. Or if they see others in a crowd, even if they have planned to be out and about, why don't they go home ............
I despair. I really do. Not many have knowledge about working in ICU or worse - even if they see snippets on TV. All the machinery beeping is enough to drive you mad until you get used to all the bleeps etc.. And having to pump air into covid patients is hard work ......
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My Dad was in hospital over Christmas due to a chest infection. He was almost ready to return home but they kept him in due to weakness and fatigue. He had tested negative for Covid on admission but, 2 days ago, we heard that he had tested positive so they have had to keep him in. No actual symptoms then but we haven't had any update and it is impossible to get through on the phone. :(
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Try ringing after 10.15 p.m. I got the Nurse on the meds trolley the other night, she couldn't tell me anything other than that Mum had taken her meds ........ ::).
Could your Dad have been carrying the virus? I don't know how long it takes from catching it to symptoms appearing and how long it takes to pass it on. Mum tested positive in the care home :-\ B4 she fell, admitted: has had another test this week but I can't find out the result - she's on a C Ward but progressing.
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Try ringing after 10.15 p.m. I got the Nurse on the meds trolley the other night, she couldn't tell me anything other than that Mum had taken her meds ........ ::).
Could your Dad have been carrying the virus? I don't know how long it takes from catching it to symptoms appearing and how long it takes to pass it on. Mum tested positive in the care home :-\ B4 she fell, admitted: has had another test this week but I can't find out the result - she's on a C Ward but progressing.
Unlikely because he had been alone at home for months. Unless 1 if the visiting carers passed it on to him.
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If he had a chest infection was it possible that the Virus was brewing? How is he now?
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If he had a chest infection was it possible that the Virus was brewing? How is he now?
I don't know yet. Still can't get through on the phone.
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? try this evening ? or B4 6.30 a.m. prior to change over?
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Time to begin sacking people?
Tottenham have criticised three of their players for breaching coronavirus rules by attending a party over Christmas.
A picture on social media shows Argentina forward Erik Lamela, Spain defender Sergio Reguilon and Argentina midfielder Giovani lo Celso at a party.
"We are extremely disappointed," Tottenham said in a statement.
West Ham have also reminded Argentina forward Manuel Lanzini, who also attended, of his responsibilities.
An American Quarter-back, seen at a party without wearing a mask, has been fined a lot of $ and released from his Contact yesterday!
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? try this evening ? or B4 6.30 a.m. prior to change over?
I did manage to get through later in the morning. Spoke to the nurse responsible for him. Reception was poor so we didn't get to say much but he hasn't shown symptoms yet/needed any oxygen.
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Could be a false positive then Katejo.
The PCR test has an increasingly poor reputation and some hospital's are no longer using them to test staff. Too many self isolating after false positive results.
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That's good Katejo ..........
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Could be a false positive then Katejo.
The PCR test has an increasingly poor reputation and some hospital's are no longer using them to test staff. Too many self isolating after false positive results.
I hope so but I don't know which type of test was used.
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It is about the test being taken correctly, how fast it is processed and if there is a hold-up in the Lab. :-\. There are certain tests that care homes no longer use due to their unreliability.
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It is about the test being taken correctly, how fast it is processed and if there is a hold-up in the Lab. :-\. There are certain tests that care homes no longer use due to their unreliability.
My Dad's tests weren't done in a care home. The 1st one (negative) was done on admission to hospital from home with a chest infection. The 2nd was done about 10 days later and was positive.
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I don't know what the incubation period is of C-19. Have read anything from 5 days to 24 days ........
How is your Dad now?
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Manchester City say they are disappointed after defender Benjamin Mendy breached Covid-19 rules by hosting a New Year's Eve party.
A spokesperson for the France international said the 26-year-old held a dinner party with guests from outside his household.
The mixing of households indoors is banned under the UK government's tier four restrictions.
City said they would conduct an internal investigation.
Shouldn't this be a Police matter?
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I would say no, police have better things to stop happening. I suppose some kind of Inspector, like Health and Safety, to simply get the names and video evidence, then it can be shipped straight to lawyer/solicitor for processing of payment?
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Has anyone tried the ribbon test?
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So Boris decides to have a walk round a Hospital? Like the Staff have time to accommodate security people, Boris, camera men etc.? all mayB carrying the virus into the place :-\. Why can't he say what he has to impart from his home?
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the PM is going to speak at 8.00 p.m. :-X
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Think they're worried about a new strain which has been found in South Africa.
They think the vaccine won't help with that one. It needs tweaking apparently. 🤷♀️
Scotland has already locked down from midnight tonight.
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Scotlands lockdown seems to be the same as our Tier 4 restrictions. Work from home if you can. Only meet with one other person outside etc etc. I thought it would be more like our original one in March?
Taz x
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Yes, so did I. 🤷♀️
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Lockdown as we did in March: across the whole of the UK : might be better, we will know where we are then! No meeting with anyone? Shopping when necessary? Exercise away from others.
There will be mutations.
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It seems the only thing that's changed for us in Tier 4 is that schools have closed. I know we have to think of the economy but I really thought it would be lockdown as in March.
Taz x
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It is now!
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Thought we could still have support bubbles
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Thought we could still have support bubbles
Yes you can.
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It seems the only thing that's changed for us in Tier 4 is that schools have closed. I know we have to think of the economy but I really thought it would be lockdown as in March.
Taz x
The uni library where I work is closed(except remote services) all this week and I think it will now be extended further.
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This lockdown is because the NHS is overwhelmed.
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If they had decided to vaccinate teachers during the Christmas hols, (Heads of Dept certainly, as they are paid to teach more) the unions may have been happier to keep in-school education going. Employers will remember the senior pupils and their education of 2020/21, and these poor young people will be disadvantaged for their future prospects, through absolutely no fault of their own.
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There weren't enough vaccines nor staff to administer the jabs. Many surgeries do not have the storage facilities to keep the Pfizer vaccines cold enough. There's a list of priorities on the web this morning but it seems double Dutch to me ::)
If necessary pupils can do Open University Courses of their choice ;-). It may leave them a little behind but with many industries closing there will be a job shortage for a while and time to pursue what they actually want to study.
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The problem with the NHS being overwhelmed may impact on those who have urgent conditions i.e. a burst appendix, heart condition: so do stay at home as much as possible to prevent the added problems of RTAs, falling off a cycle or slipping on any ice. Beds and personnel are short in most specialities as they have been seconded to other Wards to assist with the virus situation.
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Did anyone try the ribbon test?
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What is the ribbon test. ???
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Well - lots of adverts around C.mas was that we should have our windows open in order to blow the virus to the outside. But to my knowledge air blows into the house? so I held two ribbons at our bathroom window. Yep. Breeze blew them inside ::). So that worked then! Either that or they want our elderly to freeze to death .........
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I think you have to have two windows to create a through breeze/draught .
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Hi! I had 3 open: the bathroom one, landing and our bedroom ......... ::)
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I’m from Queensland Australia and in south east of Queensland one cleaner (she cleans in a hotel for Australians coming back from overseas) has got the UK coronavirus.
One person, and the Queensland government has put 5 cities into lockdown for three days. And will make a decision if we need longer.
I’m proud of Queensland for doing that, they are hoping by going hard quickly we can avoid a 30 day lockdown.
To all the lovely ladies in the UK and all over the world, I’m sending you my love and a big hug 🤗
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It is not 'ours' ::). It is being found across the World as well as yet another variant in S Africa. We should close our borders for the time that the UK is in lockdown!
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Hi lynocola
Sounds like your government is doing a much better job than ours! This UK variant does seem to be much more transmissable. My sister and her husband have it, and their daughter has been in hospital with it.
They were all very careful too.
Take care
D
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That's awful Dougaline :'(.
I was told that a positive test is likely to remain in the blood stream for up to 90 days after the person begins to feel well.
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My son and his work colleagues all tested negative 14 days after their positive tests so they cleared it faster than some.
Taz x
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Interesting article (and comments) about masks https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/940254?src=wnl_tp10n_210108_mscpedit&uac=123762HN&impID=2946232&faf=1#vp_1
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All these experiences should be recorded for future reference.
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So fed up with it all , our area has cases rising like mad, just trying to stay in as much as possible
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It's into the communities now. Sadly we have to learn to live with it as it is no longer possible to avoid it. Lots of hand washing is important !
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I'm just staying in as much as possible but am lucky in that I'm retired though my partner still has to go in to work.
Taz x
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Why did I called it the UK Coronavirus, because that’s what the media calls that strain in Australia.
Nothing personal
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I'm just staying in as much as possible but am lucky in that I'm retired though my partner still has to go in to work.
Taz x
We haven't got much choice though have we Taz. The supermarket and a walk is all that's available.
If I survive the epidemic I'll probably be totally nuts 🤪.
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Why did I called it the UK Coronavirus, because that’s what the media calls that strain in Australia.
Nothing personal
There is actually no evidence that it originated in the UK. It is thought to have come in via returning holiday makers.
The reason it's been identified here is that we have a lab which is able to identify virus variants more effectively, than those available in other countries.
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I'm just staying in as much as possible but am lucky in that I'm retired though my partner still has to go in to work.
Taz x
We haven't got much choice though have we Taz. The supermarket and a walk is all that's available.
If I survive the epidemic I'll probably be totally nuts 🤪.
Me too though I was apparently nuts to start with! ;D I've not been in a supermarket since March. All online shopping since then. I save the walk till later in the day as, if I go early, I feel trapped then!
Taz x :-\
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My Aunty posted on Facebook today, (she from Taunton) that she thought it was terrible that people were walking around outside without face mask 😷.
Is that normal for England, I can’t believe with how bad your country is that people would be walking around without face mask. I know a lot of people would be doing the right thing.
I’m currently in a three day lockdown due to one cleaner having the UK coronavirus (that’s what the media call it in Australia, we have top labs here too and they can see if the strain has come from South Africa or UK etc.)
We are only allowed outside for 5 reasons and you musk wear a mask 😷.
If the police catch you it’s a $200 or if you catch you out of your lockdown area it over $1300 fine.
Is there fines over there for doing the wrong thing?
By the way I’m on day two and we have had no other cases yet, on Monday at 6pm they will decide what the next step will be?
Big hug from Australia, I know you guys are doing it hard over there at the moment.
:bighug:
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You misunderstood me Lyncola. I am sure you have top labs in Australia.
What I was saying was that the UK has a lab that is world renowned for being able to isolate virus strains, to a greater degree than is the norm. That is why this strain was first detected here and not elsewhere.
As for wearing masks it is not required outside here. I understand that this is the case also in mant parts of Australia and depends on local infection rates. There is no scientific evidence to show that masks outside are beneficial and it would be very difficult to impose it here anyway.
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Yes only the UK and one other country (I think it’s a Scandinavian country) have these special labs and are therefore able to detect different strains so quickly. The UK are in the middle of winter so are more susceptible to more cases. Other countries are in the middle of summer so it isn’t spreading as quickly as more people are outside.
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It's spreading rapidly. What we don't get told is how many people recover and leave hospital :-\. We don't know how many people are being treated at home. What we get is daily deaths and hospital admission rates as well as Ambulance personnel queuing for hours++ because there are no beds. = hold ups for those in need who have fallen etc.. :'(
Our Labs were ahead of the game having followed SARs and vaccines were already being prepared, they were also ready for mutations so can tweak the current vaccines accordingly. Then the UK ran out of phials in which to carry the vaccine .......... followed by distribution and storage issues. One bright spark yesterday announced that the whole of the UK could have been jabbed in 5 days! Don't know how that would work?
There is no proof that masks stop the spread of C-19. However, better to wear 1 than not? I dreamt last night that I was in a crowded place and no one was wearing one, when I searched through my pocket mine was Much Too Large :-\
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It is apparant that warm weather does not have any effect on the spread, South Africa is in mid Summer and it is spreading there like wild fire. Masks are effective apparantly in that one gets a lower dose of the virus and so if infected should not become that ill, who knows, it is all a guessing game at the moment.
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I agree with Cassie, SARS-CoV-2 spread doesn't seem to follow a seasonal pattern like the flu viruses. As for detection of variants, PCR sequencing is widely available worldwide. The only reason why the UK has detected it earlier is because, unlike the other ones previously detected, it has shown to have increased transmissibility, promptly detected in the UK, probably because it has originated in the UK or it has been brought here by case 0, the person carrying the mutant virus. We'll never know!
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It is time that football matches were stopped in the UK! All that hugging and hi5ing isn't helping stop the spread! I may have muttered about this B4 :-\ but it is rife across the Pro football communities. The government did threaten initially that any hugging etc. would cause the cancellation of matches but that hasn't happened. Why am I not surprised ........
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Right now we (the province of Ontario) are still under lockdown with new restrictive measures being announced today. It's expected a curfew will be implemented. Quebec has had a curfew since Saturday. Anyone going out between the hours of 8 pm and 5am is subject to a warning and or a fine. Those going to work have to prove as such so they don't get penalized.
I am still off work. The government has said in-person learning for all schools will resume on the 25th but honestly, I don't know if that is realistic. The numbers in Canada are soaring and each province has there own situations to deal with.
The long-term care homes are experiencing high cases here, worst than the first wave in the spring. They are getting vaccines but not nearly enough and for some families, sadly too late.
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I do feel slightly better now the vaccine rollout has fully started. I know of a few people that have had the vaccine.
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There is a good explaination of the Lockdown rules, for those confused
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkmnxLq0r_0&feature=youtu.be
Chris Daws is a brilliant QC by the way. :)
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Yesterday, the premier of Ontario announced new restrictions for the next 28 days as we are under another state of emergency effective tomorrow at 12:01 am. But this is not the same state of emergency as the one in the spring. There is much confusion over what stores and recreational activities are allowed to stay open that were closed in the spring. As an example, we can now only have a limit of 5 in a group outdoors but outdoor skating rinks are allowed to remain open. The stores deemed non-essential are on reduced hours. As for the schools, only those in the hot spot regions, eg. Toronto, will resume in-person learning on Feb.11th, whereas other regions start Jan.25th. I live in a region that is surrounded by hot spots so I will imagine that date could be changed.
Dh is not certain if he will be staying home for the next 28 days as his company would not be considered essential, but he seems to think he will be going in to work. His job doesn't allow for him to work from home so who knows what will happen if he's told to stay home.
This whole thing is getting so tiresome. I'm hopeful there is a light at the end of the tunnel with the vaccines being rolled out albeit slowly.
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Why not lock down as last year :-\
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I don't know CLKD, it's all so confusing. Not everything is closed like last time, and the case numbers are so much higher this time around. The problem is that the government has been dragging its heels in making the tough calls and not calling for a complete lockdown is crazy. They have been criticized for how badly they've handled this second wave. They've put too much trust in the people doing as they're supposed to. Now we see that the majority of the cases are stemming from those private parties, even before the holidays. Oh and now, we are told to wear masks outside if we can't socially distance. ::)
I'm not sure what the answer is.
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Hi C. C. unfortunately, it is exactly the same here in England, and i presume worldwide. Not much clarification, and everyone interpreting it to suit themselves. The Daily Mail is the main source of utter rubbish, i don't know how they are allowed to keep trading with some of the stories they print. No one has any clue what is going on in any other country unless they have friends or family there, but basically over here, 50% are hunkering down and 50% are just living like we used to, so its pretty much stalemate in terms of moving forward. However, vaccines are being given out, which is a good sign, as in Spanish forums, they are nowhere near us. I am 46 and will be pretty much last on the list, but it would be brilliant if it could be sorted before Xmas.
If there are members from out of UK, could you let us know how it is in your country?
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In South Australia if you fly on a plane or at a airport with no face mask $50 000 fine.
UK needs to get stricter with face mask, lockdown is not enough >:(
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You couldn't write it!
UK snow: Large crowds gather in Leeds for snowball fight
Large crowds took part in a mass snowball fight in a city park as wintry weather covered parts of Yorkshire.
Hundreds of people took part or watched on as snowballs were thrown in Leeds's Hyde Park on Thursday afternoon.
Lockdown rules say it is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble.
where was the Army with cold water hoses? >:(
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That's crazy! At least the gathering was outside but still...against protocol all the same.
There are bylaw officers/police officers now that are going around esp. in the bigger towns and cities that will be monitoring outdoor gatherings and addressing any complaints. They are not permitted, however, to enter private homes to check for illegal parties. I'm sure some will take advantage of this and still have gatherings. ::)
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But 2 ladies taking a walk together alone, were read their rights by Derbyshire Police >:(
the UK is in danger of running out of beds and staff to help those in need :'(
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I don't know what to say.
It's so, so, bad out there. :'(
Not only with the disease, but people who can't afford their bills, food, ect... :'(
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I feel quite desperate, when will it ever end, perhaps another year of this chaos :-\
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I think it will be a year B4 we can relax. Boris has been slow in closing borders; now it's suggested that anyone coming in should isolate for 10 days in a hotel :-\. Go figure. Many have walked through UK airports without being stopped, checked, given advice and NOW ...... but many of us have been as close to keeping to the rules as we possibly can :-\
I think that pro footballers should stop playing because they are all huggy/kissy/hi5fing and it's going through Teams like a Virus >:(
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That'll be the footballers who started getting three-times-a-week covid tests before the carehome workers even had enough PPE? I expect they'll be shouting for priority to vaccines soon.
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Boris did suggest that any huggy/kissy actions with footballers and the games would be banned. Yeah right.
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Well I’m having my first Covid Vaccination tomorrow after messing around for weeks deciding whether I actually want it. I can’t make a decision about a pair of shoes never mind this and I totally overthink things to the extreme. So after discussions with my brain box son, I’ve gone for it.
Wish me luck and hopefully I have no side effects.
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Hi Blot,
I have two family members who are nurses. Both have had their first vac and both felt unwell after. The good news is that it was not too bad and they felt better after a couple of days. 🙂
Shadyglade
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My sister had hers on the 7th with no problems. Go for it. It's about protecting all of us.
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My 81 year old mum had the vaccine before Christmas and had no side effects whatsoever, not even a sore arm. Others at work have had varying degrees of symptoms from nothing at all to spending days in bed.
I don’t ever have the flu vaccine and I am very nervous - feel sick actually - but after coming up with all the excuses I’m just going for it 😬
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Did U get it?
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Yes I had it!
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:medal: how do U feel this morning?
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Does one get told which vaccine you are getting or is it pot luck? I think I would fancy the Oxford one if I had a choice. :-\
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You don't have a choice. I'll take whichever one though.
Taz x
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Nope. What ever is to hand. The Pfizer one is difficult to store and transport so others mayB offered to areas away from Cities that don't have storage facilities.
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Nine Met Police officers have been fined for breaching lockdown rules to meet at a cafe while on duty.
Pictures emerged online showing the officers, from the South East Basic Command Unit, eating at The Chef House Kitchen Cafe, Greenwich, on 9 January.
All nine officers have been issued with a £200 fixed penalty notice.
Ch Supt Rob Atkin, said: "It is right that they will pay a financial penalty and that they will be asked to reflect on their choices.
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Arm a bit sore and have a headache but get headaches anyway so that’s nothing.
We didn’t get a choice, it’s the Pfizer one. I’d have preferred the Oxford one tbh. Next one booked for 11 weeks time but hopefully they might start doing us earlier depending on supplies.
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Are you hydrated enough re headaches?
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Thanks CLKD I’m fine. Headaches and arm easing now. Some of my colleagues were quite unwell after theirs so I’ve got off lightly :)
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So update from south east Queensland Australia
We went into lock down (6 city’s) for three days because a cleaner got the UK strain of coronavirus (it’s what the Australian media calls it) after the three days lockdown, there was 10 days of mask wearing when in public.
Only one other person got it in that time, her husband and he was already in lockdown. So tomorrow we are mask free, 50 people are allowed in one house, we are allowed to dance etc.
Just got to show mask wearing and a quick lockdown works. I’m thankful to live in Australia.
How everyone going in the UK? I’ve got a couple of cousins living in the UK that have coronavirus. Doesn’t sound too good over there :'(
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It isn't good. Yet. What the media don't tell the public is how many people leave hospital daily, having recovered!
Hopefully your cousins will do good eventually!
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New guidance from WHO regarding PCR tests,
https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users
Interesting read, particularly the information about testing people with no symptoms.
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Boris - out and about AGAIN >:( but telling the public that we must stay home. Had another row with Carey or is the baby driving him out of No 10! :beat: :beat: :beat:
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Wouldn't it be sensible, that prior to vaccinating people, a swab is taken 2 C how many are asymptomatic? I can't get a test unless I show symptoms, however .........
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Lockdown until the summer? Another briefing tonight
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I don't watch them. I might damage the TV. >:(
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Certainly can't see it lifting much B4 Easter.
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I watch the briefings sometimes but not the questions. The press ask stupid questions
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I watch the briefings sometimes but not the questions. The press ask stupid questions
And they get stupid answers. When they do answer the question, that is. ☹️
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Wouldn't it be sensible, that prior to vaccinating people, a swab is taken 2 C how many are asymptomatic? I can't get a test unless I show symptoms, however .........
Here we are being encouraged to get a test even when symptom free. My work is offering the same but I would have to travel into Central London to use the work option.
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I don't know how that works :-\ because 1 has to pay for test if symptom free. Is your Company paying for these?
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150 guests at a wedding: Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls' School, in Stamford Hill, had been covered when they arrived at 21:15 GMT on Thursday.
Guests fled from the strictly Orthodox Charedi Jewish school when the police arrived. The organisers face a £10,000 fine for breaking lockdown rules.
In a statement, the school said its hall had been leased out.
[which is illegal under current lock down Laws]
A spokesman for the school, whose principal Rabbi Avrahom Pinter died in April after contracting coronavirus, said "we had no knowledge that the wedding was taking place".
He added: "We are absolutely horrified about last night's event and condemn it in the strongest possible terms."
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I don't know how that works :-\ because 1 has to pay for test if symptom free. Is your Company paying for these?
The lateral flow tests are free when they are testing in a high rate area.
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I watch the briefings sometimes but not the questions. The press ask stupid questions
And they get stupid answers. When they do answer the question, that is. ☹️
I expect that off the government but the press are just asking questions to score points and they are all the same questions. It’s so annoying.
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They are also pre-asked so that ready answers can be given. Like PM's question time ::)
Pity that we don't have details of those that recover and are discharged.
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Boris went on a jolly yesterday >:( I am spitting bricks!
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I don't know how that works :-\ because 1 has to pay for test if symptom free. Is your Company paying for these?
The lateral flow tests are free when they are testing in a high rate area.
They are free here and the local authority is asking people to get tested to avoid asymptomatic spread. I had one yesterday before going into my workplace today.
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Some companies pay for workers to have regular tests, if I want 1 as I don't have symptoms I would have to pay.
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They are free in a lot of workplaces now. They are in a lot of schools, NHS offices, Council offices.
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MayB it's changed, I haven't really looked into local testing. It would be useful to do a nose/throat swab B4 giving the jab and later doing anti-body tests.
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English Flag flying at half-mast and Joe Root wearing a black armband - cricket India against England - in respect for Captain Sir Tom 8)
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Silverstone Half Marathon taking place at 1.00 p.m. on Sunday - how does that work? People will mix at the Circuit, there will be huffing and puffing probably without masks ......... what happened to 'stay at home' .......... wonder how many other 'small' events are taking place that never make the News?
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Rescheduled CLKD https://www.silverstone.co.uk/events/run-silverstone-half-marathons/
Taz x :)
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:thankyou:
When I looked yesterday it hadn't been rescheduled on the Circuit web-site, but the Events organisation had put it back to October. No joined up thinking - wonder how many will turn up!
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Test & Trace is officially a waste of money then.
Who'd have thought it. 🤔 🙄
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Boris thinks it's OK for him to go to Ireland now >:( but we can't hold a vigil on Clapham Common for women attacked across the UK :-\
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Now he's off to the Far East :o ........... no dates given but that is his next holiday.
Meanwhile in Wales:
Seventeen patients are being treated after contracting Covid-19 at a north Wales hospital.
Betsi Cadwaladr health board said of the 39 patients being treated for coronavirus at Ysbyty Gwynedd in Bangor, 17 had caught it in hospital.
Staff and patients are being tested for the virus after an outbreak was confirmed on five adult wards at the end of February.
The health board said the majority of patients were recovering.
Initially it was over 100 patients, some transferred to Ysbyty Gwynedd from hospitals outside Wales, i.e. Shropshire - due to a lack of beds in England. What happened to ............
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Off to the shops next week :scottie: :scottie: :scottie:
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Off to the shops next week :scottie: :scottie: :scottie:
I can't wait. I have a very long list. ;D
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;D I have a medium list but I want to go in a shop that isn’t a supermarket
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not Ann Summers again :whist:
I am after roses 8)
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We are in another lockdown for 4 weeks (at least) and as of 12:01 this morning, a stay-at-home order is in effect. The school boards around us have gone to remote learning but not our school board. The new cases have been 3000 per day and I don't get how some schools are still open. The government did announce that teachers may be able to get their first shot over the spring break, which is next week.
Dh is getting his shot next Friday as anyone 60 plus in our region are eligible now.
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Sorry you've got another lockdown. It's so difficult to know when any of us will get back to something that passes as a normal life. Glad your DH is getting his shot soon.
Taz x
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I suppose all this lockdown works :-\ ..........
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Sorry you've got another lockdown. It's so difficult to know when any of us will get back to something that passes as a normal life. Glad your DH is getting his shot soon.
Taz x
This time around people are quite fed up with the provincial government. The vaccine rollout has been lousy and the stay-at-home order is just making everyone angrier. The minister of education is a doofus...he says the schools will stay open despite the lockdown. How does that make sense? The teachers I talk to daily are all hoping the break will be longer or the public health orders the schools closed, which goes against what the government wants.
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'they' go their own way ::)
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Whoo hoo! I will be eligible to register for a vaccine appointment as of this coming Friday! The government finally decided that teachers and educational workers are essential. Schools will be closed for spring break next week so they want to try and get all those that work with kids registered as soon as possible.
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Don't all rush at once ::)
I think our Government got the idea wrong. Hey ho! research will hopefully prefer us for the next Pandemic !
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The teachers will have time to get their shots as the government just announced today the schools will be closed and will go to remote learning for the near future. They did a complete 180 degrees as Sunday they sent a letter home to parents saying schools will be open after this week's break! Someone didn't get the memo.. ???
So now there is the chance of temporary layoffs, as well as the possibility of opening an emergency child care centre but that opens a whole other can of worms.
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Do you feel that your Government is in panic mode?
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Panic mode...maybe. The stay-at-home order they announced last week has been extended to at least May 20th. The cases numbers have been well over 4000 per day for the last 2 weeks. All the schools have been closed indefinitely, (I was laid off again, back on Employment Insurance), non-essential stores are curb-side pick up or delivery, no restaurants are open except for take-out and Friday they announced they would be closing all outdoor playgrounds, tennis courts, etc. plus give the police the power to pull over motorists and stop pedestrians and ask them where they are going and where they live. Well...I don't have to tell you about the public outcry and that over 30 police departments in the province said they would not follow the new protocol! The next day the premier back peddled and said the playgrounds and such would not be closed and police no longer had the power to investigate those out and about (outdoor exercise is all we can do now) but will only do so if the situation is an obvious illegal public gathering. Talk about a sh*t show. >:(
On a happier note, dh got his shot Friday (Moderna) and I'm going this coming Friday :)
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Lockdown helps. However, once people are let out and about ::).
Was DH OK after his vaccine?
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His arm was pretty sore yesterday, had to ice it and take Advil every 6 hours. He was pretty tired too and generally feeling unwell. He's feeling better today.
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CC, in which country do you live?
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CC, in which country do you live?
I was wondering just the same thing.
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CC lives in Canada I think.
Taz x
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Yup, I live in the province of Ontario, Canada. Our vaccine rollout situation has been less than stellar, compared to other countries. The situation I mentioned above is happening in Ontario, the other provinces are dealing with their own.
It was announced yesterday that, as of tomorrow the AZ vaccine is going to be made available to those 40+, as there seems to be many batches that are still in freezer storage that will be expiring soon so they need to get them into arms as soon as possible.
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Wow it all sounds like well organized chaos... ;D
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You have no idea...the government doesn't know how to listen to good advice from people that know what they're talking about. That has lead to chaos and mistrust of how this all has been handled.
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Criky. We are suddenly going to be let loose :o ;D ....... we have to hug without face2face contact. Apparently. Boris will tell us more later >yawn<
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Still in lockdown, there is talk of an extension past the 20th. Good news is that thousands of people are getting there shots and the numbers are slowly trending in the right direction. The Victoria Day long weekend is coming up in a couple of weeks so were waiting on whether some restrictions will be eased in time for that.
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Wales in 3rd 'wave' :-\
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Wales in 3rd 'wave' :-\
This is why you should feel sorry for me and everyone else who has this idiot as first minister >:(
Yesterdays figures for Wales deaths 0, new cases 175, total people in welsh hospitals with covid 24, out of a population 3 million :(
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Tnx. I couldn't find easily the actual numbers!
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So initially I thought that Boris told footballers that they had to social distance in between shots; no hugging, high5ing etc.; now we find out that 2 Scottish players are self isolating after 1 player tested positive. Shouldn't the whole team, as well as their opponents last Friday night be sent home? Because doesn't this Virus spread ..... taking a few days between each victim?
Why are footballers 'above' the rest of the general public?
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Andrew Marr has revealed had coronavirus this month and he’s had both vaccines.
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A couple of the racers in MotoGP Paddock have reported +ve tests this weekend. They have all been jabbed. Wether they will feel ill with it we probably son't find out. It can be caught and passed even after vaccinations.
Andrew Marr isolated ?
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Yes, he missed his show last week as he was in isolation. He reckons he got it from Cornwall when he was covering the G8 summit
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Which of course could have been done via 'ZOOM' like the rest of us have had to do ? I do wonder how many of those who attended with Biden going into Mainland Europe after Cornwall, went home with anything :-\. It's been noted in the Sat papers how close all those attending the G8 were i.e. at that BarBQ! where as the rest of us in England should be keeping our distances.
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I’d read that those attending the summit from around the world didn't have to quarantine.
Also, today it’s been announced that some special executives coming into the UK will be able to skip quarantine if they are bringing “ substantial benefits” to this country.
I give up ....
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Will that be UEFA then?
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No doubt. Exactly what benefits all these elite are bringing remains a mystery, all I can see is more COVID cases🤨 There’s definitely a two tier system in operation.
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Andrew Marr said he had COVID last week, despite being fully vaccinated. It was like a very nasty cold. Well the vaccines prevented far more serious illness or death, but shows you still need to carry on taking care.
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My son has covid and he had first vaccine 4 weeks ago. The vaccine doesn't appear to prevent infection but prevents people from becoming seriously ill - though I would like to see the stats on that broken down by age ie are the older people who are getting it that have been vaccinated also not getting seriously ill?
Hurdity x
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Sorry to hear this Hurdity. I hope that he recovers quickly. You do need two doses for better protection but I can't remember the percentage difference between the first and second doses. Must be online somewhere!
Having both doses is supposed to keep even elderly people (over 60) out of hospital but, yes, being fully vaccinated doesn't mean you won't catch it or transmit it which is where the current social distancing rules are supposed to protect us.
I feel it would be useful for us if data was published as to how many current cases have had either none, one or two doses.
Taz x
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I think the Telegraph had articles Taz .......... but very long and confuluted. [sp]. These statistics are out there in the ether. Somewhere ::)
R U having to isolate Hurdity?
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I'm finding it frustrating how many people think that by having both vaccines they won't catch or transmit it but it is difficult to wade through all of the info to work out risk.
Taz x
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This is in part, the problem with the vaccine programme. Neither time were we told that we can carry and catch it! I was given a leaflet but can't remember what that stated :-\
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I'm finding it frustrating how many people think that by having both vaccines they won't catch or transmit it but it is difficult to wade through all of the info to work out risk.
Taz x
This might help.
https://twitter.com/DrRichardPile/status/1410610822338859010?s=20
Your have to click on the graphs and expand to get the full difference between to two.
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:thankyou:
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I'm finding it frustrating how many people think that by having both vaccines they won't catch or transmit it but it is difficult to wade through all of the info to work out risk.
Taz x
This might help.
https://twitter.com/DrRichardPile/status/1410610822338859010?s=20
Your have to click on the graphs and expand to get the full difference between to two.
The point being made by the Twtter guy is that rising case rates are not reflected in death rates due to our vaccination but it has nothing to do with Taz's point - that vaccination does not prevent symptomatic covid nor its transmission - which is what I was pointing out in view of my son getting it.
Sorry to hear this Hurdity. I hope that he recovers quickly. You do need two doses for better protection but I can't remember the percentage difference between the first and second doses. Must be online somewhere!
Having both doses is supposed to keep even elderly people (over 60) out of hospital but, yes, being fully vaccinated doesn't mean you won't catch it or transmit it which is where the current social distancing rules are supposed to protect us.
I feel it would be useful for us if data was published as to how many current cases have had either none, one or two doses.
Taz x
Thanks Taz - he seems better today but had terrible lower body ache/pains yesterday. yes I did see that stats today on a website - that one dose of either vaccine only gives something like 30 % protection against symptomatic covid whereas two doses give something over 80/90% (can;t remember the exact figures but it differs slightly between AZ and Pfizer
I think the Telegraph had articles Taz .......... but very long and confuluted. [sp]. These statistics are out there in the ether. Somewhere ::)
R U having to isolate Hurdity?
No isolation need for me :) as he lives in another part of the country - but of course keeps in regular contact!
Hurdity x
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Sorry, hadn't read your post, I was replying directly to Taz2.
Only trying to be helpful.
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As long as he continues 2 improve? Does he feel poorly .........
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Sorry, hadn't read your post, I was replying directly to Taz2.
Only trying to be helpful.
Of course - no problem - always good to see data :)
But it doesn't answer Taz's question is what I was saying. It's interesting, but a point about the statistics was being made and the graph did not answer it even though good to see!
As long as he continues 2 improve? Does he feel poorly .........
Thank-you. Yes he felt poorly especially yesterday and the day before but is improving. He was confined to bed though and had a fever. He is in his 20's.
I really wanted to alert people - apparently many people who have been vaccinated are getting symptoms that are like a cold and therefore don't know they have it and therefore pass it on - my son knew he was properly ill with a virus, from the start - even though not seriously.
We still need to be careful! (especially after 19 July....)
Hurdity x
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How many think that the government will put that date back yet again ?
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Hello ladies.
Tim Spector has posted to say that the Govt.and NHS need to remind people that with the Delta variant symptoms have changed. It seems that lack of a sense of smell is not an issue but cold like symptoms are, the symptoms to look out for are a headache, runny nose, sore throat and a cough. These apply to individuals who have had either one or both vaccinations and unvaccinated people may also have a fever.
My neighbour's five year old grandson is off school because he has 'a cold' as do many of his classmates ( I have no idea if children that young are being tested for COVID).
Take care ladies.
K.
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https://twitter.com/timspector/status/1411318105448620036?s=19
Two graphs from Tim Spencer. One with a regional split of cases and one an age group split.
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So how do we tell the difference between mild covid and a cold? I always get a sore throat with a cold (swollen glands) and sometimes a headache.
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I get very nauseous prior to a cold, plus usually, my left arm itches like fury 3-4 days B4 it breaks - where my BCG injection went in when I was 13.
I suppose currently we treat any cold symptoms as if it is C-19? and stay isolated for 7 days. I think we need to continue wearing masks for a long while ........... I love mine ::)
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Hello ladies.
I think the thing to do is take a PCR test to determine if your symptoms are a cold or COVID.
I hope the parents of the little boy will do this but who knows. His grandparents are convinced that he just has a cold but how would they know? If I see my friend to chat to within the next few weeks I will stand two metres away and keep my mask on!
Take care ladies.
K.
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Hello again ladies.
My husband regularly listens to the scientific reports from Independent Sage on YouTube.
The latest news is very troubling and Christina Pagel who is often interviewed on television said that it is a very bad idea to open everything up on the 19th July. I will definitely continue with mask wearing and social distancing for a while yet.
Take care ladies.
K.
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We regularly have grandchildren primary age after school etc. We recently had a thick phelgmy cough caught from them after a sore throat. No headache or fever but we did do lateral flow tests which were negative. Having read this thread I think we will get the PCR test if it happens again just to be sure.
Maybe they will get round to vaccinating the primary school children for Covid after all they get the flu one up the nose.
Must admit having the grandchildren has held us back from inviting more elderly neighbours in for a cuppa recently.
We've been using KN95 masks when out and won't be giving them up easily.
Personally if I had school aged children I would be very resistant to giving them the vaccine.
I have had two doses, but that was my choice as an adult. The vaccine is new and children rarely get very ill. Seems wrong to vaccinate them to protect adults.
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So why give them a 'flu preparation? Do kids get 'flu, maybe it's to protect the adults around them? Though I do feel that we vaccinate too much ........ so our immune systems can't cope.
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So why give them a 'flu preparation? Do kids get 'flu, maybe it's to protect the adults around them? Though I do feel that we vaccinate too much ........ so our immune systems can't cope.
Children are as vulnerable as the elderly, to the effects of flu, unlike with Covid.
My eldest had flu at 12 months. Not nice I can tell you. Plus the flu vaccination is tried and tested over decades.
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I remember Mum and my sister having 'flu when she was young, Dad shoved them into the 'big bed' - I can't remember where he slept :-\ but I stood at the bedroom door watching ........ [whooping cough is the worst to see a baby going through :'(]
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It has been stated on the News 2-day that there could 50,000 cases per day by 19 July along with rising numbers of hospital admissions .........
It doesn't give any idea as to how many people who have been vaccinated are likely to contract the Virus, that is probably an on-going information gathering.
Presuming Boris gives the 'go ahead' for release from lockdown, I will continue with my 😷 when there are others around. I need to up my cleansing routine on the Council bins, door handles and post box, as well as car door handles/boot etc..
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And anyone with a compromised immune system will have to hibernate again. >:(
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I’m worried. I had to shield. My son is planning on coming over from the USA as he and his wife are fully vaccinated, but the children aren’t. Where he lives there is low incidence of Covid now and all restrictions are lifted, but travelling to busy airports, flying here? How do I say I’m worried? Of course I want to see them, after 18 months, but…….?
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According to yesterday's media, children don't get Covid particularly badly. Any of us of course mayB spreaders. I'm sure that your DS will have weighed up the risks - mayB initiate the conversation with asking if 😷 will need to be worn 4 the whole flight? MayB they will need evidence of the jabs, when, type etc..
Do U have a flow-kit? Every1 can test when they arrive which will give some reassurance.
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My province just partially re-opened yesterday with some restrictions still imposed. Gyms, indoor dining, movie theatres, concerts, outdoor sporting events with limited fans etc., are all happening again. The vaccination rate is going really well so far, so good (keeping fingers crossed). The Federal gov't has said that maybe in mid-August fully vaccinated US residents will be allowed across the border.
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As for that pinging device it's a JOKE!
The UK Health Services was already on it's knees, now every one is advised to isolate if they get a ping message - YEP, we are working with C-19 infected patients :bang: so don't send us off work or there will B no one to treat those who turn up in A&E!?!?!
It is not a legal requirement but an advisory suggestion. There is a report on today's Press that a husband and wife, having been in a pub together: he was pinged and advised to isolate, however, it was 5 days after they had been to the Pub.! How quickly does this virus leap from person to person ............ and the infection rate?
I would never have been drawn into a pinging app a) because I don't have that type of 'phone b) because I don't believe that apps will be completely accurate and I know who I have mixed with ........ as well as being masked when ever out and about.
If everyone who is pinged steps out of society for 10 days ............
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What do they expect? Aren't we on around 50,000 new infections every day? So it's hardly surprising more will be coming into contact with infected people. Expect many, many more when there's no social distancing or masks. I'm not sure why you can't isolate for 5 days then take a test though.
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Especially as incomers from Europe have to do a test after 3 days and again after 5 ? We need to get on with it ? keep washing hands, wearing masks, ignoring people ....... I can't understand the apparent 'need' of people to get close anyway :-\. there's being sociable and there's stupidity.
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One Rule 4 them >:(
The prime minister and chancellor will not be self-isolating after contact with Health Secretary Sajid Javid, who has tested positive for coronavirus.
Downing Street said the pair would take part in a pilot programme, where daily tests replace self-isolation.
They will have to self-isolate when not working and will only conduct essential business, a spokesman said.
Mr Javid tested positive on Saturday morning, after a meeting at Downing Street the day before.
Both Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak were contacted by NHS Test and Trace as contacts of Mr Javid.
Downing Street is among 20 private and public sector organisations - including Network Rail, Transport for London and Border Force - taking part in a pilot where close contacts of Covid cases take daily tests.
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They are now. Change of plan
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So Freedom Day - the day we're told to bury our heads in the sand and pretend there isn't a frightening increase in the number of cases. The day the Health Secretary etc are self isolating because they've caught it. Can I laugh?
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I think that the future will be that we will all catch it but hopefully avoid hospitalisation. In the beginning I thought the vaccine would prevent infection but the best we can hope for is not being caused serious illness. I'm not sure how often we will catch it. Once a year, month, season?
I was invited to a music gig next week but declined due to not feeling safe yet and another fan asked me what exactly I was waiting for as being double jabbed is the best it will get. She's right but it saddens me that maybe I'll never get back to who I was!
Taz x :-\
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If it's a Belly Laugh ;)
If this were France there would be riots by now. Trying to pass this idea off as a 'research opportunity' >:( .......... they must think we've stepped off the Ark!
We need to Get On With It! which 4 me means avoiding people as much as possible, not believing anything that Politicians are suggesting and recommending that people switch off the pinging app ..........
3 friends, all double jabbed, have been quite ill with 'flu-like symptoms :-\. All tests negative but they know that they suffered with 'something'. None know each other and live in different parts of the UK.
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The usual summer flu is doing the rounds. Not true flu but a viral illness giving similar symptoms. Also norovirus is making an earlier appearance this year.
The app at least lets you know you have been near someone who might have infected you and isolation isn't mandatory so you could then tailor your meet-ups and socialising so as to put as few people at risk as possible. As a family we all have it activated and are wondering who will get pinged first!
I don't understand the belly laugh comment.
Taz x :)
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'cos we don't belly laugh much in these days of pandemic situations ?
I've never heard of summer 'flu. Had colds during the hotter months ........ my bouts of 'flu were in March 1988 and 1989. DH had 'flu in December 1992. How can norovirus be around as we are all supposed 2 B keeping our distances.
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Ah I see! Yes we need to do more laughing.
It's not real flu but a virus which mimics most of the symptoms but isn't as serious. After working in primary schools for the last twenty years plus parenting three children who loved passing the viruses amongst themselves (and me) I know my viruses ;D
Norovirus has mainly been confined to the nursery and early years settings but is now spreading into the community as we open up more and those working with children who go down with it then take it back to their families. I think that not everybody knows it's not killed by hand gels and that you definitely need to keep up with soap and water handwashing. There's advice on the Gov.Uk site.
Taz x
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I feel sad when I look at past times in the pub or at a dance and shouting laughing, belly laughs, CLKD, dunno if we will ever do this again, jabbed or not :'(
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I've just been watching the videos of the youngsters in the nightclubs. So great to see them enjoying themselves again but difficult for me to shake off the fear of being ill. We all have individual choice as to how to spend our leisure time in ways that we are comfortable with but, sadly, not such a choice workwise.
Taz x
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I think the sensible way is NOT to rush back to 'normal'. Let the +iv figures stabilise ? I don't think that 'they' have been completely honest and have manipulated the public by fear. Youngsters have no sense of time .......... if U can remember that far back ;)
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Terrific news about the fall in cases, the last few days.
Let's hope it continues. 🤞😀
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It's probably a hiatus until the test results arrive from F1 and 'Latitude Festival' ..........
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It would be useful to see the ratio of positive to negative tests. It might be that fewer tests are being done as schools break up and people go on leave.
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Apparently, testing down 5% and positive tests results down 40% .
Sounds good to me.
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All lateral flow testing have to be reported on line ....... it is a legal requirement so that statistics can be formed to follow the outbreaks.
We sent our negative tests in but didn't get a response. Hopefully someone read and noted them ;-).
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All lateral flow testing have to be reported on line ....... it is a legal requirement so that statistics can be formed to follow the outbreaks.
We sent our negative tests in but didn't get a response. Hopefully someone read and noted them ;-).
You should have had an email or text message confirming your negative result. You would have been given the choice of which way you wanted to receive this when registering your result. Lots of people just show the confirmation on their phone of course. I print mine off as it's easier to show when I visit my friend in her care home.
Taz x
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Terrific news about the fall in cases, the last few days.
Let's hope it continues. 🤞😀
How things have changed since July :'(
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Never had a beep or anything ::). Not particularly worried as we were negative. However ...... all the monies it has taken to set up these various tests!
There will be another fall and omicron isn't as 'bad' apparently - 'like a cold'. That's from 3 friends who have caught it in recent weeks. They have no underlying conditions.
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Did you record it through the NHS site? It's the only way you'll get an official confirmation I think. Takes a while as you have to put your details in each time but it's all logged on your record so you can prove your status for care home visits etc. Can't see how it helps really as you can test positive later anyway. ::)
I have a friend who's 41 and is on a respirator due to Omicron. Double jabbed but was waiting for the booster.Fit guy too. Thinks he caught it at the gym!!
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That's a shame. Unfortunately 'fit' and 'healthy' are not always the same thing. Have you noticed how many top class athletes go down with nasty virus, such as glandular fever?
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Yep, athlete's are often too fit - little resistance to bugs as they live in a quite a sports bubble. Because they don't want to catch anything that will take them out of the Team, i.e. Mark Cavendish and G Barre Syndrome. No extra fat on any of them ::). Once they stop exercising of course, the muscle mass drops off too.
How ill is your friend Taz?
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Ill enough to be on a respirator for the last week but is beginning to recover now. His wife caught it but has had very few symptoms. She had had her booster three weeks before as she is a few years older than him
Taz x
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Problem with being inactive for any length of time is that the thigh muscles followed by other groups become weak very quickly. Hopefully he will get physio if required once out of bed.
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Yes I think they've got the recovery programme for covid patients down to a fine art now. Hopefully he'll recover as this is a milder illness and seems to work I a different way. Less likely to cause blood clots it seems from info so far.
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Stunned by the new case counts in the province, just under 14,000. The premier is to make a speech on what's next this afternoon. Me thinks more strict restrictions and closing of things like movie theatres etc. Will get word on the return to school situation.
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It's a fast mover certainly. Hopefully it will blow itself out or at least our bodies will become used to it which should lessen the effects. R U looking forwards to a long break ? ;-)
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If it's a long break, I might be put on emergency layoff again, like last year.
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It's the uncertainty that is affecting people.