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Title: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 04, 2020, 04:26:31 PM
Hi everyone,
a little while ago I wrote about my problems late last year with a UTI that kept coming back and also some vaginal dryness.

After a week or two the vaginal dryness eased off, and I have also been relaxing the pelvic floor muscles just recently by watching a lady on YouTube who gives some good advice.

This morning I had to see my GP again as I thought I had another UTI coming on.....this is a lower abdo ache with an ache on the left side....this sometimes comes on with an internal trembling and can last from 20 minutes to a couple of hours.... some days I feel fine. Today it has been on all day.

The GP has sent a urine sample to the 'lab' but has done a dip tick which showed clear of infection, I am to see the nurse on Friday to have some bloods taken. I have an Ultrasound scan on the 13 th March.in the meantime she said to take paracetamol.

I am sat with a hot water bottle on the left side ache which is quite bad now.... The lower abdo ache seems to have gone off.
What is this left lower ache? Does anyone else recognise these symptoms?
I have had this on and off since the beginning of the year.
I am so frightened its cancer .
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 04, 2020, 04:40:00 PM
I suggest that you ring your GP surgery now and ask for vaginal atrophy treatment!  PRONTO!  At the least it won't do any harm to your body and best it will improve the vagina which will lessen the feelings of a UTI!

Again, another GP not keeping up with VA  :bang:. 

Appropriate treatment will ease symptoms which mimic urine infection-type feelings really really well.  Either 'vagifem' or 'ovestin' is used into the vagina every night for 2 weeks, then a few times a week: every 4th and 5/6th nights.  Some ladies find that they need 'vagifem' nightly.  Have a look here about 'sylc' and 'yes' products.

Don't wait.  What are the blood tests for  :-\ ?  You don't need an examination to get proper treatment for vaginal atrophy.  Do ring now and ask for it to be left so that you can pick it up tomorrow.

Let us know how you get on.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 04, 2020, 04:48:03 PM
But is it vaginal atrophy, CLKD?
It's the left side ache that is bothering me...towards the hip and a bit of backache too.
The blood test is for thyroid and a general blood test she said for the shaking and trembling ..... which she asked me if it was stress! No it isn't , I said.

I am worried now though and stressed but I'm not trembling now....the trembling that comes on with the aches is not stress, I know the difference when I feel stressed.....this trembling is horrible and makes me want to pace about and I can't sit still.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 04, 2020, 05:03:08 PM
Last year the GP sent me to the A/E dept as she thought I had diverticulosis, but the Dr. in the A/E said not.....I also had a scan to rule out kidney stones.

I still have my overies. I am 63 next week and about 9 years post menopause. I have not taken HRT.
Apart from the UTI last year I have been fit and well .... I have had all the usual meno problems especially at the beginning in my early 50s which were a nightmare.
This just seems to have kicked off again especially with the dark thoughts about what could show up on the scan.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 04, 2020, 05:18:08 PM
The Doctor said I would have been I more pain and running a temperature ( which I wasn't)...I did have a CT scan that night and nothing showed up.

Is there anything I can do tonight that might make it easier? Nothing will burst will it?
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 04, 2020, 05:27:47 PM
I used to get that pain in a similar region years ago but can't remember why.  Pain relief medication eased it. If worried ring your Surgery, ours is open until 6.30 most evenings.

Let us know!
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 04, 2020, 06:13:32 PM
no, Sparkle its not a muscle pull .... I've taken paracetamol but it's not helping....not sure what to do now just pacing about with a hot water bottle.
Feels like it's going into my back now ....just so uncomfortable
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Jari on March 04, 2020, 07:28:31 PM
Hi Kmorris,

Could it be a kidney infection?

Are you drinking 2 litres of water/herbal tea a day?

X
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 04, 2020, 07:46:50 PM
It's beginning to ease off a little now but it's coming on and going off in waves.....like labour pains....still have the lower abdo ache though....I think i could have more than one problem. If it gets any worse I think I might have to ring NHS, Sparkle.

Jari....I have been drinking herbal tea and water all day, but have hardly eaten as I just can't face anything.

Thank you so much ladies xxx
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 04, 2020, 08:13:29 PM
So - how long since you took the pain relief did it begin to work?

Maybe try nurofen this evening?

Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: marge on March 04, 2020, 08:16:14 PM
I don't want to undermine what you have, Kmorris,  but could it be anxiety related? I had a left sided pain for about 6 months a couple of years ago. Nearly drove myself mad with worry. Even scared to go to the GP. In the end a friend told me she had the same thing and had put it down to anxiety. After that, it just seemed to go. I'm the same age as you and l think we get over anxious sometimes.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: shrosphirelass on March 04, 2020, 08:18:08 PM
I hope it continues to ease off. I sometimes get lower left side dull ache, which can sometimes be quite sharp as well. I was convinced it was ovarian related, but Ive had pelvic scans that have been clear. Like Sparkle I think mine might be bowel related, although I had a CT scan which didn't show anything sinister. When I went to a women's health physio for VA, she advised re the conncetions between all the different organs and she gave advice on bowel emptying techniques which have a made a difference to me.

I would ask the dr to arrange a pelvic scan as soon as possible, its a quick painless proceedure, just to rule out any ovarian issues.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 04, 2020, 08:19:12 PM
Let us know how you get on! 
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Katejo on March 04, 2020, 11:03:30 PM
But is it vaginal atrophy, CLKD?
It's the left side ache that is bothering me...towards the hip and a bit of backache too.
The blood test is for thyroid and a general blood test she said for the shaking and trembling ..... which she asked me if it was stress! No it isn't , I said.

I am worried now though and stressed but I'm not trembling now....the trembling that comes on with the aches is not stress, I know the difference when I feel stressed.....this trembling is horrible and makes me want to pace about and I can't sit still.
  I got this ache for several months but starting Vagifem relieved it quickly.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 05, 2020, 07:33:37 AM
Did U sleep much  :-\
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 05, 2020, 08:16:24 AM
Morning, CLKD,
Not much sleep, probably about 2 hours.

I'm not sure but I think I may have passed a kidney stone early this morning....
Still feel very tender and achey on left side...not sure if it's going to kick off again.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Jari on March 05, 2020, 08:22:54 AM
Hi Kmorris

Sparkle made me think, if it is bowel related, how are your bowel movements. Sorry if tmi.

Just to say, since I started having 2 dessert spoons of ground flaxseeds on my morning muesli, my bowel movements are easy and daily regular.

It might be worth a try while you wait for your scan on 13th.

If you have a coffee grinder you can grind the flaxseeds/linseeds in that or you can buy already ground mixes in supermarket.

Hope you are feeling better this morning. Worry makes everything worse. X
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Jari on March 05, 2020, 08:25:12 AM
Sorry, our posts crossed paths.

Wow, a kidney stone, that must have hurt. Keep up with water drinking!! :) x
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 05, 2020, 01:40:17 PM
Hello everyone,
Thank you for all your kind thoughts and advice.

I have spent most of the morning in the A/E Dept.
After my last post this morning, the pains came back on again...I tried the GP and practically begged for an appt. but the earliest would be Saturday....unless I had a special phone and they could do a 'push appt' where you have a video talk with the GP....my mobile is 10+ years old and is on its last legs, so a video link wasn't going to happen.

After all the pain last night I was at my wits end and couldn't cope anymore.
Booked into A/E
Had bloods taken.  Ok
Urine showed clear except for a slight raise in something beginning with 'L' that sounded like Lukozade, and something beginning with 'K'which was slightly raised. Doctor said the bloods were all fine.
I also had an ultrasound scan which was normal.
Doctor has booked me in for a (sounded like) flexible cystoscopy? (camera in bladder)....and they will ring me over the next few days to arrange.
He did not prescribe antibiotics and recommended Ibruprofen/paracetamol for the pain.
It's beginning to feel a little less painful ...just (I've taken Ibruprofen)... and now feel so worn out.
Is it a UTI?
Is it a bladder problem?
Is it VA?
The Doctor said the urine sample was not really showing an infection .... so decided against the antibiotics, but has referred me to urology for the camera in the bladder to see what's going on.

xx

Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Jari on March 05, 2020, 04:12:55 PM
Ditto what Sparkle says. Water/herbal tea and rest. Good you went to A&E that must give you some relief that you are getting checks! Take care and keep us posted. X
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 05, 2020, 06:29:13 PM
Did U not keep the stone?  To take to the GP?

Has a urine sample been sent to a Lab? sorry I may have asked previously  :-\

Take the pain relief as recommended.  I used to get a dragging pain around the soft areas on each side of my belly in the 'hip' area which would go with Asprin.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 05, 2020, 07:13:55 PM
Have spent most of the afternoon in bed and I still feel wrung out...making sure I keep hydrated now.....just a bit  nervous as the left side pain seems to be coming back and a low down period type pain :-\  just about to take some paracetamol.

Yes, CLKD the GP said yesterday that she would send the sample to the lab....and tomorrow I have more bloods re. Thyroid test.
I wish I had have fished the stone out now but I just remember thinking oh what's that a little dark stone ...and then flushed!   ::)

No stones showed up on the scan....and the young man doing it was very thorough...I kept asking him  does everything look normal? He said all was fine and later the Doctor confirmed it was all normal.

Thank you so much everyone for your support, I really do appreciate reading your posts to me xx

Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 05, 2020, 07:59:15 PM
Your area will be bruised if there's been a stone.  Usually formed by a build up of calcium?

Be kind to yourself.  Get the pain relief down you regularly.  Maybe a warm bath? 
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 05, 2020, 08:19:07 PM
The Dr. in the a/e said there was no blood in the urine so didn't think that I had passed a stone...so I don't know....I thought that I had.

I'm taking the painkillers but...I'm just sat here wondering what is this pain?
Still no answers really...should I have asked for some antibiotics? What if it is a UTI and its just been left to get worse...
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 05, 2020, 08:21:11 PM
If it's an infection pain relief will help.  If it's not a urine infection and you are given ABs, then that's wrong especially in the current climate of The Virus.   ::)

What worries you that you won't take on board what you were told in A&E?  Take a list of them to your blood test tomorrow?

A kidney stone that won't pass is the most painful pain that one can suffer.  Apparently. 
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 05, 2020, 08:42:31 PM
I know you're right...I just feel so weary and a bit weepy with it all now.

UTI type ache lower abdo.
Deep ache left side lower abdo.
No pain or stinging on urination.
Urine looks clear.


Bloods clear.
Ultrasound scan normal.
Urine test ...something beginning with L and something beginning with K were elevated but not by much apparently.

Paracetamol not having much effect....going to take an ibuprofen....can feel the pain coming back.

Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: bear on March 05, 2020, 08:55:08 PM
Hi Kmorris,

Poor thing, you sound desperate! Is L for Leukocytes and K for Ketones? If so, you could have interstitial cystitis.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/interstitial-cystitis/

Or bowel endometriosis. This article describes a woman that had the cyclical pelvic pain as one of her symptoms and tested positive for ketones.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3902514/

I'm not saying you have one of these conditions, but you can discuss them with your docs. Paracetamol won't be of much help, you can try Buscopan if you don't have any contraindications.

BeaR.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Jari on March 06, 2020, 08:27:53 AM
How are you feeling this morning Kmorris?
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 06, 2020, 09:59:45 AM
You beat me to the question Jari?

Let us know how you get on at the Surgery?
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 06, 2020, 10:29:26 AM
Morning Ladies,
Thank you....I feel a little easier today. Just back from seeing the Nurse for some bloods to be taken. Will talk to GP again next week when results come through.

CLKD, I have seen you mention bicarb of soda half a teaspoon in water....would this be OK to take if the UTI pain comes back? If this is atrophy of the vagina will it still be ok to take bicarb? I have just bought  some on way back from Drs.

xx
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 06, 2020, 10:34:24 AM
BeaR and Sparkle,
Sorry ladies just seen your posts.....yes BeaR those are the right names!
I will have a look at those links, thank you.

I feel a little bit better this morning Sparkle. Fingers crossed.

xx
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 06, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
What did the Dr recommend  :-\

Atrophy needs localised HRT treatment.  Bicarb is OK in a warm bath ;-).  I would never swallow it but some here do recommend it and it was Granny's go-to for burns as a paste.

Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 08, 2020, 07:36:51 AM
Morning Ladies,
I've had another bad day and night....
I feel as if I have a UTI.....very uncomfortable lower abdo and shaking/trembling. My urine looks clear and there is no burning or stinging when I pee. All my urine samples have returned clear my bloods tests are clear. I am taking Ibruprofen and paracetamol but can't just keep swallowing these like smarties..... :'( :'(

I have looked up intestinal cystitis....I have some symptoms but not all.
I have looked up Vaginal Atrophy ..... I have some symptoms but not all.
How can I tell if this is a bladder problem or Vaginal problem?

I am drinking water...today I will stop drinking tea and coffee.
Please help, I feel like I can't cope much longer....I just cannot settle to anything and I'm just pacing about.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 08, 2020, 07:58:08 AM
Another thing...I have no appetite and have eaten very little over the past few days.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Jari on March 08, 2020, 08:33:46 AM
Morning Kmorris.

Sorry you?re having a bad time.

Are you urinating normally eg any blood in urine or difficulty urinating or more often than usual?

You mentioned that you thought it might be kidney stones?!  Does the pain come in waves..

You say you are drinking water. Have you measured at least 2 litres a day? Maybe try also herbal teas like chamomile.

If you?re really in pain then I would call the nhs direct. Is it 111 and explain to them your symptoms. Make a note of all your symptoms. X
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 08, 2020, 08:42:07 AM
What did the Nurse suggest at your visit this week?  You can keep taking the pain relief, that's what it is for! 

Do you have a return appt.?  Do you have wind?
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 08, 2020, 08:52:45 AM
Nothing has been suggested....I just have to see Dr this week re. Thyroid blood test which was just done as a precaution because of the shaking.

No blood in urine it looks clear...no pain or ache in left side this seems to have gone after I thought I had passed a stone.
The pain/ache is coming from lower abdo.... I was in the a/e dept on Thursday and had all the tests ....blood/urine/ultrascan...and they all came back normal.
On Friday I felt a little tender but otherwise fine....then yesterday it began to come back...last night it was back, and this morning.
I feel as if I can't call anyone as all the tests have been done....no one seems to know what it is.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Jari on March 08, 2020, 09:38:14 AM
Did the ultrascan rule out ovarian cyst? Just trying to rule things out..

Are you constipated at all? Nausea?

X
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 08, 2020, 10:12:22 AM
Jari,
The ultra sound scan was on the abdo and pelvis and everything came back normal. Constipated yesterday but hadn't eaten much, managed to get some porridge down this morning before taking the Ibruprofen and bowels ok this morning. The pain is easing off a little now due to the pain meds.
Will chase up the flexible  cystoscopy appt. with my GP in morning.... will that be able to tell what this is?
Is it painful?
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 08, 2020, 12:27:58 PM
A urine and blood test in an A&E Dept will be very basic and unless other tests were requested, they will take at the least 3 days.

Make a list of symptoms to take to the GP Appt., 'cos I've found that on the day, symptoms disappear  >:(

Taking the pain relief regularly is important.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 10, 2020, 01:34:00 PM
Yesterday I ordered some YES vaginal moisturiser from the chemist.
I have used a little this morning (about 5 ml) and so far so good....no irritation. I managed to put it slightly inside about 1/4 inch.
I feel a little more comfortable.
I am going back to the chemist to see if I can buy an "applicator" ... I can't use my finger, I just can't! Please don't anyone say to do that because I can't....it makes my stomach lurch ... :-\ This is just me, it's how I am, I can't help it.

I will try the applicator if I can get one....how far will I have to go in?
Is there a position that will make it easier?
How much should I use?

Please, please God let this work..... :'(



Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 10, 2020, 02:57:37 PM
Is't OK you are not alone with feeling around intimate places  ;)
Do you use tampons, if so a little 'yes' on the end and gently insert.  I usually lay in bed on my back and insert the ovestin applicator as far as I am able without it nipping.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 10, 2020, 03:23:38 PM
Thanks CLKD, I have never used tampons either but will get some small ones when I go out and maybe try with them as well. I will try laying down as well as I might be able to relax a bit more....this really is horrible.

Thank you for being so patient with me xx
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 10, 2020, 04:31:11 PM
Once you are more relaxed the product will go up more easily. 
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kathleen on March 10, 2020, 05:25:15 PM
Hello Kmorris

I have been using Yes moisturiser for a few months and find that it works well even though I'm only using it on the outside atm.  A friend of mine uses the applicator and says that warming up the cream beforehand makes the whole procedure more comfortable. She says that the chilled feeling caused her to tense up so now she warms it a little just before she uses it. You might want to give that a go until you get used to everything.

Can I ask what sort of shaking you've been experiencing? I was told recently that I have hypothyroidism and I get a lot of shaking and quivering in my abdomen and legs. I always thought this was meno related but now I wonder if it's a thyroid problem.

Good luck with using the cream and applicator.  Take your time, there's no rush, it's just another technique to learn and you will soon be comfortable with it.

Take care.

K.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Joaniepat on March 10, 2020, 07:10:00 PM
Kmorris, you can buy Yes VM in single use applicators, although they are rather pricey. If you have a tube of Yes VM, Stressnomore do reusable, round-ended, syringe style applicators and you can transfer some into one of those.

JP x
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 10, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
The awful UTI type pain has gone off....although I still have the left side ache...have just applied some more YES ....laid on the bed seemed a little easier and I think I managed to go a little further but it was uncomfortable...almost like something stopping it going further so I didn't push it. Then I put my legs in the air pointing towards the ceiling so it might dribble up further....what a sight ... at least it made me laugh which I haven't done much recently.

Kathleen, thank you for your advice, it's a carry on to be sure...but I know that I have to get used to it and is something I will just have to do. :-\

The shaking is horrible....it's not the kind of shake you get if you're upset or stressed.....this shake is different... hard to describe...but I will try.
It comes from deep inside and it feels like a throb, a pulse....sometimes my hands shake, other times it's just inside that shakes and no one ( unless I told them) would be aware there was anything wrong with me.
Sometimes it comes on with the UTI type pains and when this happens everything feels worse....then again sometimes it will come on out of the blue with no pains. The shakes can last 20 minutes to 2 hours....I always know when they are coming on and going off....it's like a slow build up and a slow release...they build up in waves and ease off in waves.
After an episode of shakes, if I breathe deeply I shudder...do you know that feeling when you've been crying hard and you try to take a deep breath in? like you have been sobbing? But you sort of shudder. That's how it leaves me feeling.....emotional and drained.
What is it?
I've no idea.
It's a scary feeling and very unpleasant but not painful....at the moment I'll take that rather than all the pain I've been having.
I do know for certain that it's not stress or anxiety although I have had both those things....this shaking is something else.
Last week I had a thyroid test which has come back normal.
Is this similar to your shake?
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 10, 2020, 07:27:24 PM
Joaniepat, I have been looking at those YES 5ml applicators on the website....I am thinking of ordering some....they might get me through until it gets easier and I get used to it.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: marge on March 10, 2020, 09:55:19 PM
I think the shakes might be anxiety Kmorris. Lots of us on here have experience of that
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Mumalmighty on March 11, 2020, 08:34:02 AM
Hi there
Goodness me I could've written this post ! I've had identical symptoms since just before Xmas like the 12th December I was at my exercise class and noticed an aching in my hip/pelivis thought nothing of it thought it was Exercise related then shortly after the pain went to my lower left side back. Then a Uti came with kidney area ache and feeling ill I went to the doctors and she tested my Urine sent it away and said if symptoms persist come back they never called me back but I  got antibiotics but didn't mention the pain thinking it was the Uti so then that cleared up eventually and still had pelvic and back pain plus lower and upper left abdomen pain then cystitis came on and I still put the pain down to that. I just took canesten which took away the pain when peeing but my bladder doesn't feel 100%. My ache now is mainly in my back but I get lots of pains on my left side off and on and it feels like hormonal wushing as I call it or burning. I'm 51 and have only just missed 2 periods and all since this has been happening. before that I was just very irregular my last Period was 12 days the longest I've ever had then nothing since, that was around the 10th January. I'm extremely dry down below and have had to use sylk for intimate moments. I know I should see a doctor but the pain is bearable although I do put up with a lot. I'm also very worried but keep self diagnosing which drives my hubby mad. I get what I can only describe as jittering but I'm pretty sure that's hormones Cos it comes in waves and I feel dizzy at the same time then it goes off. I would love to know how you get on. Hope all is ok. I know something is wrong I just need the courage to go to the doctors  :'(
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 11, 2020, 10:14:48 AM
Hi Marge,
I have been, and still feel anxious about all that's been happening over the last few months, so you may well be right...every time I've mentioned this shaking business, I've always been told it could be anxiety/stress.....in a way I hope that is, and it's not anything else. :-\

Hi Mumalmighty....sorry to hear you are having the same problems....what a horrible time this has been....I'm beginning to feel a bit easier this morning and the UTI type pain has eased since I've used the YES moisturiser...the left side ache is still there, although not as bad.....will see how it goes today.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 11, 2020, 12:52:39 PM
Mumalmighty - another GP who doesn't have the sense to let a patient know the test results  :bang:  where you not told to ring after 5 days?

Did U take the ABs?  They will ease symptoms along with pain relief.  Ring your Surgery today and ask for vaginal atrophy treatment, you don't need blood tests or an intimate examination. I find 'ovestin' really useful, 'slyc' alone won't stop the dryness.

Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Mumalmighty on March 11, 2020, 04:24:12 PM
Kmorris so glad your?re feeling a bit better!
Thank you ckld I'm thinking more and more that this is the problem. I did take the Abs and the Uti symptoms subsided in the main but it took much longer than 3 days of abs for the pain in my bladder to ease. I knew it had to be related Cos the dryness is terrible although I get no soreness or irritation down there it's a bit of a passion killer to say the least 😬
Yes the lady doctor said mmm there's something in there (my urine ) not sure what but I?ll send it away! I was too worried to go back when symptoms did persist as like so many other women on here I've such a phobia of the doctors and always try my utmost to treat myself but I was desperate by the time I actually went and got the abs and thought it would solve the problem which it kind of did but I'm still left with the other things. Does overstin have hormones in it ? Is it the same as vagifem? Sorry I'm so new to this although been in Peri for some years now since missing periods it's a whole new ball game 😫 up until December id been so good for about a year except around my period but now it's full blown everyday with the exception of the odd day feeling a bit more normal. It feels to me like my periods have literally come to a halt like a tap has been turned off and I?ll never see another again but obvs I won't know that for a while yet!  :-\
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: CLKD on March 11, 2020, 04:28:23 PM
Have a read of our vaginal atrophy threads.  Usually either 'vagifem' or 'ovestin' are prescribed.  The idea is to plump up the whole of the vulva/vagina areas to ease dryness.  They are small amounts of hormone intended to be used for 2/3 weeks every night, then every 4th and 5/6th nights.  Some ladies have to use the former nightly in order to ease symptoms as it is such a small amount of active ingredient.

4 me it was like razor blades  :o up there .  My GP recognised the problem and prescribed pessaries which were withdrawn: apparently no 'call for them': then 'ovestin' which is delivered by applicator which is then washed and dried.  Works for me ;-). If symptoms irritate I go back to 7 days reload with pain relief.

My periods waxed and waned for years.  3 possibly 4 before they ended.  I was busy nursing 4 sick animals so didn't really take must notice  :-\ and new anyway that it was 'the change'.
Title: Re: Very worried ...
Post by: Kmorris on March 12, 2020, 03:30:59 PM
Update.

I have been prescribed Estriol cream. ..every night for 2 weeks then  two times a week. I really hoped the YES moisturiser would have sorted this problem...but no, I need something stronger.
I have read the posts and taken notes, but would please ask for some more advice and reassurance.
 
1. During the two weeks nightly load....will I be able to use the YES vm during the day or not?

2. When I finish the two week load and begin the twice weekly use of Estriol, on the other days, when not using the cream, will it be ok to put the YES up inside the vagina if needed?

3. Is it safe to use a small amount of the Estriol cream on the ? vestibule ( is this the right word??) the inside but not deep inside, of the vagina, daily?

Earlier I put a blob of the Estril on my inner elbow and left it for a couple of hours to see if I would have a reaction.....all seemed fine so I have put a little on the lady bits ....so far no stinging.
I have not inserted any cream yet....
I know I need this cream and will use it but I feel .... Just so very down and tearful, I can't seem to be rational about it....something awful happened to me in the Supermarket yesterday as well and I really feel like I' m losing the plot. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

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Post by: Joaniepat on March 12, 2020, 05:17:19 PM
Hi Kmorris,
1 you can use Yes VM during the day.

2 you can put Yes VM inside after the loading dose.

3 you can use the cream on the labia and vestibule, it's what I do most nights and is a good idea.

JP x
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Post by: Kmorris on March 12, 2020, 06:17:38 PM
Thank you, Joaniepat x
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Post by: CLKD on March 12, 2020, 06:50:36 PM
The labial area has a different tissue than that on the elbow  ::).  What reaction were you expecting, sometimes if the vagina is very dry products might sting.  The product is inserted into the vagina to put oestrogen back to plump up the whole area which encourages moisture.  Less itching.

I find laying down is the best way to insert 'ovestin' then go off to sleep. 
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Post by: Kmorris on March 14, 2020, 02:17:21 PM
I am in so much pain. I have used the YES moisturiser earlier and think I may be having a reaction to it....I have taken paracetamol...
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Post by: CLKD on March 14, 2020, 07:00:48 PM
Where did you put the 'yes'?  Sometimes moisturiser can sting  :o.  Maybe stick with the atrophy treatment ........ a small amount several times a day tomorrow and Monday then at night.  It can take a few days to work!
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Post by: Kmorris on March 14, 2020, 08:43:56 PM
I had applied the YES moisturiser internally earlier in the day....tried to wash off as it bagan burning...,,,applied some Estriol this evening to just the outside bits to try and get some relief....but it began burning ....washed everything off....but now in so much pain...
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Post by: CLKD on March 14, 2020, 08:54:08 PM
Get into a cool bath.  Lay and swosh the water gently to cleanse the area.  It is painful due to dryness probably and the insertion of creams may well have caused stinging.  Try to endure so the the HRT can do it's work. 
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Post by: Kmorris on March 17, 2020, 06:19:33 PM
Update....
beginning to feel more comfortable.
I have had to stop using the YES moisturiser as I think it was that which was causing the burning.
Left it all off for the day and then tried again with just the Estriol cream and have had a little bit of relief today!

Little by little I am managing to insert the applicator a bit further up inside the vagina....but ..... after I press the applicator which squirts the cream inside ....I can almost feel the cream coming back down....is there a technique to it? Or is it because I haven't managed to put it high enough yet  do you think?
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Post by: CLKD on March 17, 2020, 07:01:38 PM
It's the applicator removing rather than the product ;-).  Thank goodness you have some relief.  It's the Trial and Error that is so tiring.
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Post by: Kmorris on March 18, 2020, 05:14:38 PM
This morning I woke up with left side breast pain.....not had this since I was in my 30s.....could it be anything to do with the Estriol? I thought this cream had only a tiny ammount of hormone in it. The pain has gone off during the day but I'm a bit nervous.
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Post by: CLKD on March 18, 2020, 05:26:14 PM
If the pain has resolved it may/not be related.  Any input of hormone may alter your own levels slightly.  I had breast disease in the 1990s and have never worried about using 'ovestin'.  Quality of Life ;-)
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Post by: Kmorris on March 18, 2020, 05:37:25 PM
Thank you, CLKD. I will see how it goes...the Estriol does seem to have soothed the VA.
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Post by: CLKD on March 18, 2020, 05:46:29 PM
That's the main issue here.  Occasionally I get a sore breast but it settles. Could be my own hormones adjusting. 
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Post by: Pip16 on March 21, 2020, 11:07:30 AM
Hi kmorris and mumalmighty I've had this low left sided pain since before Christmas too. I've had ibs since my 20's and at first put it down to that and anxiety. My mum had just been diagnosed with bc so was and still am a bit all over the place. it's like an pain/ache there constantly with the occasional sting or a feeling of movement like wind Or a pinch pain. I'm taking buscopan now hoping that might ease it. Hasn't yet but only started it yesterday. Like most of you I have terrible health anxiety rearing up again and I'm petrified to go to gp. I'm scared of everything at the mo, especially thinking it's my bowel because of mum. Although she had no symptoms at all. I have VA and am on about day 6 of ovestin. Sometimes i feel a bit like I have cystitis as if I need to wee. It looks clear I think. The sting and soreness 'down there? has subsided a lot since using the cream. it's just this low left sided pain. it's between my belly button and pubic bone on the left. Sometimes moves further up towards my hip and sometimes moves to the middle with twinges to the right. Just mostly on the left. Does VA cause pelvic pain or could this be a bladder infection? I would've thought bladder pain would be more central. 🙁
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Post by: Kmorris on March 22, 2020, 07:13:47 PM
Hi Pip,
sorry to hear that you have this ache....a couple of posters here seem to have had it, too. Someone said( sorry I can't remember who it was now), but she had this ache for about 6 months and then it just went off.

The best thing is to have a word with your GP...she might book you in for an ultrasound scan....at least this will put your mind at rest....it might be your Ibs because of all the worry about your Mum, but it's really best for you to be checked out...just for your peace of mind....it really sounds like you have enough to cope with. Please be brave and see your GP.
xx
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Post by: Pip16 on March 22, 2020, 09:53:50 PM
Hi kmorris thank you for your reply. I did take senakott last night, a stronger ibuprofen this morning along with the buscopan and the pain definitely has eased off today but I've also been very busy so hopefully whatever it is is shifting. I will make an appt with my gp though if it gets bad again it's just the anxiety I get when having to go for any test.... I can vaguely remember having the pinching pain a few years ago in the same spot. I did mention it to my gp after an examination and she wasn't concerned about it. The pain did go eventually. Maybe it is the ibs and anxiety. Xx
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Post by: Mumalmighty on March 24, 2020, 07:14:26 PM
Hi pip16
Sorry for obvious reasons (corona panic ) at the mo I've not been on here but mainly Cos the pain I had disappeared as soon as I had a kind of period. I say that Cos there has been barely anything there just a bit when I wipe but nothing in my underwear. I think I may have already said i hadn't had a Period since early January then a few days ago this ever so light something. Anyway whilst that was happening and a week prior I only had the usual obvious period pain but my lower back and hip pain went away and sorry to be graphic along with the slight Period I was very gassy whereas for a while now I haven't been infact I've often wondered if it was trapped wind causing the pain. Just yesterday I noticed the pain was back and can't get the gas out like it's trapped but when I wiped nothing there like I had finished this light Period. It does seem odd that I only had the pain when I started to miss a few periods then it went when my period if you can call it that started. Now it's gone and the pain has come back left lower back and on the top of my hip like a stabbing pain! It seems to be hormonal although I must admit I haven't been worrying about it either due to all this awful stuff that's happening at the moment my mind has been on other things 🤔 i did put it down to either anxiety or trapped wind , I do think it's trapped wind as when I do break wind (sorry) I get relief from it slightly so anyway I'm stuck now with the pain again and don't feel the time is right to get it checked out so am just taking paracetamol. I Also suffer with ibs and my mum died of lung cancer when I was 20 she was 44 and so this is why I think I have terrible health anxiety the same as you. ☹️  The pain Also was on my front left side but  that's gone now my very small Period has stopped I've got pains here there and everywhere that are characteristically hormonal if you know what i mean. What I mean is I felt well when having this Little period  so surely its hormonal hope I haven't confused you too much 😂 hope you are ok xx
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Post by: Pip16 on March 24, 2020, 09:10:24 PM
Hi mumalmighty I'm so sorry about your mum. So young!!! I've not really had the pain today and no ibuprofen either. I've taken paracetamol regularly though as I have a sore throat. I've been taking senakot at night so maybe that's helped to shift the wind or whatever it was. My ibs always flared up around my periods. Constipated for days before then on the first day I practically lived in the bathroom. My pain is/was a dull ache low down in abdomen on the left then every now and then a pinch throughout the day. Sometimes I could feel movement in that area like a baby moving. Definitely not! Lol. I also think a lot is anxiety as I'm so worried about my mum and all this started when she was diagnosed. It does help to be a part of this forum and I'm so glad I found it. X
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Post by: Mumalmighty on March 25, 2020, 10:15:44 AM
Pip16 bless you I completely understand what you?re going through and for you it's worse as when I was 20 (I'm 51 now) I didn't know the word anxiety. In the days before the internet we were all oblivious to a lot of things and being so young at the time my nieve mind didn't worry like I do now I knew she was Ill but thought she would be ok. Medicine has come a long way since then and your mums chances of getting through this have quadrupled so try to be positive all the way it will get you through this difficult time I wish her and you all the very Best 😊 your pain does sound bowel related as in trapped wind  I get that pinching feeling. The funny thing is mine all started with UTI 2 weeks before Xmas last year I had a terrible time getting rid of it with a 3 day course of abs no joy then dmannose tablets I tried everything powders you name it my back ache and side ache was terrible but definitely bladder related at that point. So it cleared up then came cystitis it was so bad I hadn't had that for years and I thought why now everything was wrong yet no soreness down below but I was very dry. My last period in January lasted 12days again something I'd never experienced then after that nothing but my problems were happening all the while when not having a period then I had that small one and in those 3 days apart from having slight pain in my ovaries my other pains were gone as if I had had a surge of estregon or whatever it is that balances you out. Then the Period stopped and I'm back to feeling like rubbish everywhere including this darn back and side pain 😫 sorry I may have missed it but are you still peri ? I just think whether it be bowel related or bladder related it's probably your hormones as I'm finding they do the strangest things to us which makes us fear the worst as it's so alien to have all these things wrong. The bladder had bowel can bring on symptoms that are very similar to each other and I'm pretty sure I've read that Va can cause pelvic pain and I reckon That aswell has been contributing to my never ending problems. it's a minefield and a nuisance at this moment in time when you don't really want to be going to doctors or chemists for any reason. I hope you continue to feel better and I really hope your mum is doing ok no point me saying don't worry that's perfectly natural for us habitual worriers. Yes this forum is a godsend and it's so good to talk. I live in a house full of men 3 Sons husband and one daughter who is only 12 so it's lovely to be able to come on here and pour it all out take care 😊