Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => Other Health Discussion => Topic started by: Daisydot on May 29, 2018, 09:03:48 PM
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Ok ladies I've been experimenting recently and I thought I was suffering my breast pain because of the hrt and even my meno specialist was a bit baffled as he said it does happen but it's rare it's usually the opposite, that oestrogen will help alleviate breast pain.
Anyway I've laid off the underarm roll on deodorants after having stopped the spray on type as I thought this may help and I've definately not got the same sharp pains I was getting in the left breast since stopping both these things.
I will keep monitoring for the next week or two but in the meantime have any of you ladies tried the natural crystal type underarm deodorants and if so are they good?
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I never use it but I still get breast pain.
It is usually around the second half of the cycle - during the progestogen phase (sequi hrt), but I have had it earlier. I seem to have had less of it in recent months.
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Hi Dahliagirl sorri should have said I'm oestrogen only that's why I question it as it's not consistent and started agaves after I started the gel.
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I have had a stinging sensation with some roll-on types. Under the arms which spread a bit. So I stopped using those.
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deodorant or anti perspirant?
both cause issues with drainage of toxins, but anti perspirants are worse. perhaps a build up causes problems? there's well documented evidence that blocking the body's natural systems to deal with excretion isn't great, so shaving, applying chemicals, etc. it's why we have one of the highest rates of breast cancer.
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Try bionsen daisydot,
It's got no alliminum in it, could be that,
OH, can only use that one, makes his underarms hurt and lumpy, if he
uses anything else.
Jd x
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Elk - that theory has been over-ridden. It was thought in the 1960s/70s that using talc etc. under the arms caused cancer. It doesn't. The body sweats elsewhere: palms of the hands, face, back of the neck, soles of the feet ......... we use under-arm stuff to stop us getting smelly ;)
Men sweat, ladies perspire? ::)
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I don't use anything with antiperspirant in it as the stuff they put in it to stop you perspiring leaves a film over your skin and that makes my armpits itchy. Then I look as if I am doing the Funky Gibbon ;D
I just wash, then use a body spray, which seems to work fine, and my friend tells me it has enough alcohol in it to kill anything off :o (However I did have some eczema on my arm that took a long time to go, which I think was prolonged by spraying this stuff too carelessly ::))
I think the breast tenderness is just the ups and downs of our own hormone cycles (or random lack thereof) which abound through perimenopause and continue off and on after the last period. Menopause does not seem to be a tidy 'off' switch for most women. I know I have said it is mostly at the end of my cycle on sequi hrt, but it can happen at other times and has done in the past, but it does seem to be happening less frequently and mostly at the end of a 'cycle' as time goes on.
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It's not crystal but I like the dr organics deodorant it's a roll on, the lavender one is my fave! :)
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Hi CLKD, no it hasn't - I work in a research setting in a medical school. The state of play is currently that more evidence is needed. A recent paper (published by scientists, in the scientific press) stated: 'Many component cosmetic chemicals with oestrogenic properties have been measured as present in human breast tissue or human milk, and direct confirmation of the ability of these chemicals (parabens, phthalates, sunscreens) to be absorbed from topical application in cosmetic cream into the human body has also been published … long-term topical exposure of hands to embalming creams can result in endocrine disruption to the whole human body, and in particular can affect breast tissue … More recent studies report endocrine disruption in women at both young and old age following inappropriate exposure to oestrogenic chemicals in personal care products … Increasing numbers of the component chemicals in cosmetics are now known to possess oestrogenic activity … ' You get the picture. Source - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2797685/. The author of this paper is Professor Dabre, School of Biological Sciences, University of Reading.
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I stopped using antiperspirants and toothpaste with fluoride a few years ago when I used to get an adrenaline surge directly after using. I'd go red in the face, have high heart rate and feel wiped out for an hour.
I found the crystal deodorants even worse as it was the aluminium (natural alum) causing my reaction.
I now use fluoride free toothpaste (and dentist said no holes in teeth) and I import natural deodorants from Australia as they have better quality ones that keep me dry.
I suspect if my liver wasn't overloaded with oestrogen then my reaction would have been less but it goes to show how much we absorb and the burden it adds to our livers, whether it affects breasts or not.
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Elk: Who is funding the research, I haven't the energy to read the Link right now but tnx for the update - do you type your own reports etc. these days, I did 7 BSc./MSc/Doctorats on an up-right type-writer in the 1970s ;D. In the days when Tip-ex - remember that - was necessary and the paper had to be lined up very carefully as well as enough spaces for chemical signs to be put in with a special pen ::)
What was the question :D
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Well I laid off the underarm stuff and it didn't make as much difference as I expected but yesterday I used my first blob of testosterone gel and my breast pain has almost gone.i could feel the difference as the day went on and I've not woken up with it this morning and breasts are not rock solid,can one blob really have done this.x
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I used to use Bionsen as it was the only deodorant that didn't cause me irritation - the downside was that it didn't really work once I'd started going through peri as I'd be stinking within an hour of washing and applying it! I use a deodorant stone now and it's brilliant. Most days I can go all day and still smell clean.
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Anyone tried Soft & Gentle's 0% Aluminium anti-perspirant? I use it on days when I'm at home or not out much, but if I'm out for a whole day, I don't trust it to last.
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I remember tippex - sorry, had a bit of an up and down couple of weeks.
/hugs.
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Well another change again.breast pain continued to increase even without using under arm stuff so it wasn't that.ive now reduced my oestrogel after researching the effects of too high oestrogen levels and it's definitely having some changes, breasts not so painful esp around nipple area and tongue tingling has eased off this is probably the best I've been for weeks with both these issues.
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That's good Daisydot.
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I've now decided to completely cut out caffeine and stay with lower dose of oestrogel,the soreness varies so much daily sometimes no pain at all other times drives me nuts,it's like mastitis I'm back at consultant soon so I'll get his opinion if it's still going on.x
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How is it going - I seem to be having a resurgence and cannot find a bra that does not make it worse. I usually blame my bras - cannot find a comfortable one. ::)
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Breast pain is my overriding perimenopause problem. It fuels my anxiety which then makes me worry about my boobs all the time.
Anyway, on to the breast discomfort itself: mine is three weeks out of four. Hot and sore and tender and heavy and lumpy. Radiates out to my armpits.
What helps? I wear a bra 24/7. I take starflower/borage oil every day (Holland and Barrett is the best I think). I get them checked at least once a year to try to help with the anxiety (examination and ultrasound).
Regarding deodorants/anti perspirants: I have used Mitchum for 20 years. Love it. But decided to try Bionsen this year. Did not work at all - gave me sweaty, acidy armpits. Yuck.
My books say avocado and bananas help. No idea whether they help but I try and eat them a lot. Might cut out the middle (wo)man and start smearing them over the boobs and armpits to see if it helps. A natural fruit deodorant ;D ;D ;D
Without sounding weird, I have big boobs and wonder if it might help if they were smaller.
No joke - sometimes it is so bad I have thought about asking for a mastectomy.
Regarding bras: M and S cross your heart firm support best in my opinion.
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Thank yoh, Jeaniewigs. I would go to M&S straight away but it doesn't open up early where I live for mad women like me who wander around the house at 3am! I will get some of those for sleeping in xxx I've been sleeping in normal bras and I have to say that I have red marks all the time xxx
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I can't see any £12.50 ones. £9.50?
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Are you here or there - you are in black again :-\
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Black, purple mix, white and yellow. They look very attractive, I must say. I have ordered one to start with. Worried that the thinish straps might not hold up my large watermelon sized appendages. Thanks again for the advice Daisy Dot and looking forward to trying xxx
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I'm on an F these days :-X
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So, in an attempt to sort myself out, I've had no sugar for 5 days. My big problems are anxiety which I thought it could help directly and my boobs which I thought it could help indirectly (less sugar = weight loss = smaller boobs). No difference to report yet (other than terrible headaches on day 2 which have completely gone now). I think my skin looks better though. I'm going to add dairy on your suggestion Daisy Dot and I will report back. I will then add gluten. Thanks for the tips, including the lovely bralets which I am very happy with xxx
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Hi CLKD, no it hasn't - I work in a research setting in a medical school. The state of play is currently that more evidence is needed. A recent paper (published by scientists, in the scientific press) stated: 'Many component cosmetic chemicals with oestrogenic properties have been measured as present in human breast tissue or human milk, and direct confirmation of the ability of these chemicals (parabens, phthalates, sunscreens) to be absorbed from topical application in cosmetic cream into the human body has also been published … long-term topical exposure of hands to embalming creams can result in endocrine disruption to the whole human body, and in particular can affect breast tissue … More recent studies report endocrine disruption in women at both young and old age following inappropriate exposure to oestrogenic chemicals in personal care products … Increasing numbers of the component chemicals in cosmetics are now known to possess oestrogenic activity … ' You get the picture. Source - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2797685/. The author of this paper is Professor Dabre, School of Biological Sciences, University of Reading.
This is scary stuff! I've never heard of concerns about handcream before. Thanks for posting Elkwarning !
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Hi ladies,
I have sore breasts (and armpits) from time to time and my postmenopausal oestrogen/prog/testo levels have been flat low for the last 2 years. My gynae and I agree that this is probably an immune reaction, inflammation or allergy, to what exactly we don't know.
I don't sweat anymore so no deodorants/antiperspirants needed. A bit of talc is enough. I feel like a child again, before puberty. I think my sweat glands are gone, the sebaceous glands and hair follicles are dying slowly. Sometimes I feel like I belong to a different species, something like those asexual ET's ::)
Conolly X
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Great to hear Daisydot - I hope that continues for you x
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Hello DD,
Great news! Long may it continue 😛
Conolly X
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Hello ladies, I've done a week with no sugar and a day with no dairy. Onwards and upwards and taking inspiration from Daisy Dot! Xx