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General Discussion => Birthdays and Events => Topic started by: CLKD on July 15, 2016, 01:12:49 PM
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At it again - this time a lorry driving wildly amongst the crowds :'(. Tour de France Time Trial goes ahead today.
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:'( terrible. children too.
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So so sad and so so terrible! Kids too! :'(
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A lot of le Tour Pro-cyclists train down the South not far from Nice ……..
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What a sad world we live in.
We do sparkle
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Apparently: Police stopped the driver of this particular lorry that morning and were told that he was delivering ice-cream. Now although hindsight is a wonderful thing, wouldn't it have crossed someone's mind to note that it wasn't refrigerated and why not check paper work to see which store they were planning to deliver to and then check with the store? Europe is supposedly on high alert although France dropped their level on the 15th.
:sigh: I wonder if those particular Police slept since?
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was the motorcyclist who tried to stop the lorry heroic of foolhardy. As far as I know he has not yet been found after falling under the lorry.
The photo of those empty buggies in the paper today is heartwrenching. However it is a tragedy for all, not just the children but it always seems worse somehow when they feature the children.
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'they' say that he would have been killed but maybe he rolled away?
I would say brave - acting on instinct and determination? believing that he could stop the driver and never imagining the consequences?
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it always works in films, but sadly this was real life and there wasn't a script writer.
Did you see the couple interviewed on TV news last night, Simon and Amanda Coates. He was eloquent but she was totally traumatised. You can't imagine it can you.
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My SIL and her hubby took us to Nice for my hubby's 60th birthday, five years ago. We walked numerous times along the Promenade des Anglais and the hotel we stayed in was the one in the background of the first pictures to be shown yesterday. Made us think. :(
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No I can't imagine. One moment enjoying the balmy atmosphere of the South and then all Hell breaks out :'(.
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Parents left an 8-month old child in a buggy which was found by a woman passer by. Long story short, she scoured Facebook and found the parents 8)
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6 dead in shopping mall: suspected gunmen missing :-\
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World gone mad ! :'(
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Eight people now, apparently. Eight innocent people who got out of their beds this morning, to live their lives normally. I can't find the words.....
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I agree the world does indeed appear to be going crazy - it's been a long time since we had a quiet news week!
Now 9 but the last may be an attacker. So soon after Nice. Terrible news.
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It's made me think. We were planning on a trip to Berlin next year, but where is safe nowadays? Scary world!
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My son is on a school trip and in lockdown in Munich. Last we heard they were taken to a school for safety, but have police with them.
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My son is on a school trip and in lockdown in Munich. Last we heard they were taken to a school for safety, but have police with them.
How scary for him. I assume he remained safe as we have now had confirmation that there was only 1 gunman and he is now dead.
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Tinkerbell, how awful for you! You'll be desperate to hear from him. When is he due home?
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In my thoughts Tinkerbell and family.
I am concerned about family members going to the USA soon but the recent troubles seem to be centred more on Europe :(
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I hadn't heard that there was 1 shooter, that would be better news if true. So much of posting armed Police in Cities …. like they were at the British GPrix …….. and now the Police want to destroy all video footage of the Nice atrocity, why? Surely it's evidence …… unless the Police who didn't stop the lorry weren't Police :-\
Any news Tinkerbell?
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I am really impressed with the German police force, the children had armed escort for several hours until they were safely taken to hotel very late last night, at time of shootings they were in a restaurant.
We have also received very regular texts from school staff informing us of what is going on.
I think some of the girls were a bit hysterical, hope they are happier now.
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That must be a relief. The girls will be OK - better to 'get it out' at the time ;) - hopefully they will be encouraged to make a 'what we did' today entry to share their feelings.
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You must be so relieved Tinkerbell. The German police are very, very good. My hubby is ex police & we once stayed with a German policeman's family whilst my hubby was studying over there. We got to see how they do things over there & were most impressed.
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Did your son arrive home yet?
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He is back on Friday, they are now in Berlin.
We thought the school were going to arrange to bring them back early yesterday, but as most parents were happy for them to stay the trip is continuing. But they have made some changes to the itinerary and assessing the situation frequently.
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Hopefully enjoying the Trip regardless?
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Just came across this, which gives me some hope:
https://cruxnow.com/ap/2016/07/30/imam-blasts-extremists-friday-prayers-slain-priests-town/
Dulciana
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My son obviously gave me a watered down version of events when he was over there.
His school have told us to look out for symptoms of PTSD and they are trying to get help put in place for the students when they return to school in September as it looks like they all went through a very traumatic experience.
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I doubt very much if things were handled well that there will be PTSD. They were in the situation so could see what was happening ……… what I would suggest is that each student is asked to write an essay during the Summer break about the trip over-all which will put it into perspective. No counselling when were kids and we survived ::).
Talking amongst themselves too is probably the best way to go, will he be in contact face-2-face with friends?
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He has been speaking to friends about it and he has spoken to me, although he did say he hadn't told me everything yet...I am not pushing him on that, I will let him do so in his own time.
I am not too concerned about it as he is a good talker for a male! he also has a very close bond with me as he was very sick a few years ago and we spent a lot of time together.
Unfortunately have personal experience of PTSD with a close family member, so hopefully know the signs.
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He still enjoyed the trip :)
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That's the main issue here! Enjoyment should initially over-come what happened, it may be later on that effects come out: I deal OK at the time, but something totally un-related can set off the tears 6-7 months down the line - I know to look out now ::)
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Now Berlin plus the earlier assaination of the Turkey's Ambassador :-\
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Couldn't believe it when I switched on the news. When's it going to stop?!!!
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Maybe the powers that be should block off any areas that are hosting 'events', i.e. street markets, so that large vehicles can't enter? Note to Governments across Europe? block off streets?!? 12 killed last night ………
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Think we're safer here after 7/7. Hope so anyway. Many erect bollards at the edge of such things here.
They said on the news that Germany are lagging behind by about 2 years on such matters. I expect they will review this now.
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So the Press jumped on the band wagon about the man seen running from the lorry who was arrested and has now been released: a Pakistani and apparently not the man who hi-jacked that lorry. Who has fled. Away. There have been Papers found in the truck along with the Polish driver's body :'(
London has put in more road closures that lead to important tourist sites …… bit obvious really ::)
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Got him!
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No border controls in main-land Europe. Easy to pass through …… but again, he was 'known' to the Police :-\
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I know, it's crazy. Everyone's going on about the risk of letting refugees in because they might be terrorists, but at the same time they are letting a bloke who has a criminal record and terrorist links wander round wherever he wants! Why don't they do something about the ones they know are a problem instead of tarring everyone with the same brush when most refugees are innocent.
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I agree, Dorothy.
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Florida - Fort Lauderdale Airport .......... :-\
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Can't believe guns are acceptable in hold luggage! :angryfire:
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It's the US - they have a 'right' to bear Arms. How else would someone carry a fire-arm, it was collected from the Hold ........ sad World that we live in :'(
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Whenever I hear the term "right to bear arms" I always think that Americans are really lucky they have the right to "bare" their arms in nice summery sleeveless frocks.
(You have to laugh at the absurdity of some things in America. Stops you from shaking your head in disbelief.)
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Crazy. I'm glad we don't have the gun culture here. It was much easier to toughen up legislation. It's a completely different mindset in the USA. Guns were essential for survival a few hundred years ago, but now? The NRA's argument is that guns do not kill, people do. Yes, true, but when you have dysfunctional people in society, why hand them such a devastating means to kill so easily? It's a shame Obama was unable to push legislation past congress, despite support, particularly by grieving relatives.
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Really don't get the American mindset when it comes to guns, but I've learned not to bother arguing with it - only last week, I read an impassioned article by an American who was using the Battle of Wounded Knee (you know - the one where all those American Indians were massacred...with guns) as 'proof' of the importance to fight to keep the right for all Americans to carry guns...because it 'saves lives' and 'protects families'. You couldn't make it up could you...dozens of families massacred by guns proves that guns protect families... :(
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Westminster Bridge and Parliament in Lock down :-\ incident at 2.40 p.m. with a car hitting 8+ people, Policeman stabbed and shots fired.
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It was only a matter of time. Though maybe more connected to current discussions/arguments
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1 lady dead ........ :-\
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1 too many. Another now. :'(
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:'( - apparently the Eye has been stopped so people are up there for at least 2 hours now ....... with no loo! that would not be the best place for me, another reason not to book a ticket!
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Think they are gradually bringing the pods round to let folk off. Nerves would make me need the loo.
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Westminster bridge is always so busy, as is the whole surrounding area, packed with tourists too. I'm so very sorry for everyone affected.
We can't safeguard ourselves against cars being used as weapons, heavy London traffic is a way of life for us. It's not that there is poor security around Westminster. There are heavily armed police highly prevalent around London now just as in Paris.
I've lived through so many London attacks over the years, clearly remember the IRA threats. Whilst not blasé you can't live your life worrying about this sort of stuff. However, I'm at the theatre tomorrow night, I do always instinctively check the escape routes once seated.
Such wickedness in this world.
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Will The West End be affected tonight? I always check Exits too, in shops, garden centres, antique shops ::)
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:'( - apparently the Eye has been stopped so people are up there for at least 2 hours now ....... with no loo! that would not be the best place for me, another reason not to book a ticket!
I just said the same thing about them needing the loo. I said 'that's why I would never go on anything like that'!
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When the bridges are closed it causes chaos really, especially with the Embankment being closed to traffic too as it works to divert traffic along the Thames.
Soho and Shaftesbury Avenue is always jam packed with people CLKD, day and night. Londoners, and any city dwellers, are generally very resilient, we just live with the threat and get on with our lives. I always check my loved ones are ok though! x
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The police & security people have to make sure everyone is safe, that's of the utmost importance. Better to get home late & safe.
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Absolutely cubagirl, the public tend to be much more understanding of the delays after an incident like this. x
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4 died including the Police officer stabbed and the assailant: 1 missing in the Thames :-\
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A woman was recovered from the Thames earlier, alive but poorly.
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A woman was recovered from the Thames earlier, alive but poorly.
Latest update says she's fine. She jumped to avoid the car. I think when she was first recovered she was probably suffering from the cold water but now they say she's fine which is good news.
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From watching the rolling news we'd assumed the car had just driven right along the pavement the full length of the bridge. Such absolute horror. The poor woman must have been utterly terrified to jump off of that bridge into the Thames. The river is treacherous and those bridges are high.
I feel so very very sad tonight for all of those affected by this. My heart goes out to those poor families.
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He had been zig zagging. Horrific. I think the media go too far with some of the photographs they show of the injured victims.
The terrorist has been named. What an absolute b word.
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So do I! I was appalled at the closeups of the injured, clearly taken by peoples phones. I can feel a serious complaint to the BBC coming on!
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Media are so intrusive! All those children who had been visiting Westminster. Cameras were too close! Their parents must have been sick with worry.
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I was shocked when I first looked at the online photos as they didn't have any faces of the Police Officers etc blurred out. They must have had complaints as when I checked back, the faces had then being blurred and so they should. I can't believe the photo of the woman laid on the pavement with blood pouring out of her head. How awful for her family to have probably seen the photos before they even heard from her.
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Any photos will become Police evidence when handed in. French parents are flying in to be with those injured on the Bridge.
So pleased that the lady has been found!
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Words cannot describe my feelings. It took my son (who works in London) three and a half hours to reply to my 'are you ok?' text message. I just didn't know if he was in the showroom yesterday or out and about seeing clients. Can't imagine how families of those affected are feeling :'(
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That must have been worrying for you. Glad he was OK.
I commented yesterday about the picture of a lady laid on the ground with blood pouring from her head. Turns out this lady was American. Her husband died after falling from the bridge. They were on holiday celebrating 25 years of marriage. I imagine her poor family found out by seeing those photos of her which must have been traumatic.
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Problems in Manchester Arena area right now :o
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Just woke up to the horrendous news from Manchester. :'( :'( :'(
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Lots of mums and daughters.
Why....can anyone tell me why. What does it achieve...
Mrs Brown
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So, so sad 😢
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They were interviewing one mum, with her daughter on tv. She arrived later & her bag wasn't searched. Why?
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Terrible terrible news again :'(
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They were interviewing one mum, with her daughter on tv. She arrived later & her bag wasn't searched. Why?
We now know that bag searching was irrelevant this time as the suicide bomber entered the foyer at the end of the concert and bags are not searched until you get to exchange your ticket further into the venue anyway. This is always a problem area for security as people meet to pick up friends etc after the gig has finished. They will now look at searching everyone I guess but as one guy has just said on the radio it means there will then be a "target crowd" waiting outside of the venue. Seems to be no easy answer.
Taz x :'(
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Just heard from my cousin who was next door last night at the football museum with work when they heard 2 explosions. She said the staff were brilliant with them. They locked the building down and moved them all to safety until it was safe to evacuate. She's very upset.
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:'( :'( No words can express...
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And it goes on, what does it achieve? in the warped mind of the perpetrator it achieves something, but we cannot begin to imagine that mindset.
I worry every time one of my family goes anywhere but my worrying doesn't achieve anything for me and plays into the hands of these people. I try to live one day at a time now and cherish all I have as we have seen how quickly and easily it can be taken away.
thoughts for Manchester today :'(
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Lord's prayer.
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Thanks for that update Taz. Scary stuff. Hubby says we should all be vigilant at all times. He looks for potential exits when we go to such things.
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I always do that too but that's because of lots of years of safety training I think. Second nature to always know the route out nowadays but who knows whether in the shock of anything like that happening I would actually remember!
Taz x
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My poor son was there last night, I got him home safely but he's utterly traumatised :'(
A big problem was they couldn't get out as they secured all the main doors so we're left with thousands of others trying to find fire escapes. He said the explosion was huge, the poor thing hasn't slept a wink yet.
It's tragic. X
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He will recover. Maybe a gentle walk if the weather is nice tomorrow, somewhere quite? Somewhere to gather your thoughts. Journalling can be useful too.
I have always checked emergency exits, have involved the Fire Service many times. I almost got thrown out of a Theatre because I went round trying the exits which were all locked, I was assured that the Security Staff would un-lock them if necessary - you will unlock them now or I will ring the Fire Service - this was a long corridor with no Security Staff in sight so it was suggested to said theatre that they must have someone sitting by each fire exit at all times when the public were present.
So sad today. One girl missing, I wonder if a 'taxi' driver took an opportunity :-\ or whether she in fact use the Concert as an excuse to be elsewhere ......... or worse.
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My poor son was there last night, I got him home safely but he's utterly traumatised :'(
A big problem was they couldn't get out as they secured all the main doors so we're left with thousands of others trying to find fire escapes. He said the explosion was huge, the poor thing hasn't slept a wink yet.
It's tragic. X
Was he there on his own Otes?
Taz x
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My poor son was there last night, I got him home safely but he's utterly traumatised :'(
A big problem was they couldn't get out as they secured all the main doors so we're left with thousands of others trying to find fire escapes. He said the explosion was huge, the poor thing hasn't slept a wink yet.
It's tragic. X
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There is a Facebook page for those missing :'(. Another one known to the Police, maybe now once someone is under suspicious they get put into dentition 'for their own safety'. This one's family have returned to Libya ........ should have taken him with them!
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They did CLKD. He returned recently.
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... with intent :-\ ...... they forget who raises them sometimes >:(
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Incident on London Bridge :-\
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Just checked that all of my sons are ok - thankfully they are. Thoughts with all of those who are affected.
Taz x
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At least 1 dead, several missing, presumed in the Thames :'(
Glad yours are Safe Taz!
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Just checked that all of my sons are ok - thankfully they are.
Taz x
What is the world coming to :'(
So glad to hear your boys are OK Taz xx
Watching Sky News now & I dont understand why people are being escorted out of the area & they've got their hands on their heads. ??? ???
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Thanks Cazi. Just pleased when I heard that they were all ok. Never quite sure where they are but the one who was in London tonight left early and was already on the train when the incident happened.
Taz x
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It's so worrying because its on all the news station as "breaking news".
SKY, CNBC, CNN,EURONEWS, FOX
& several others.
Hope it all blows over soon.
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I think they've got their hands on their heads to show that they are not a lurking threat? Nobody knows who is ok and who isn't, I guess, threatwise.
Taz x
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Sickening! Glad your boys are safe Taz.
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I was in a and e last night with youngest daughter so I had no idea any thing had happened untill eldest daughter, who was on a night out in London phoned to tell me she was safe and on her way home.
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Taz I'm so glad you're sons are safe.
I hope that our London "sisters" and their families are all safe. My heart goes out to those caught up in the awful events last night. Such scary times :'(
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Glad your son's are fine Taz.
Again slaughter in the name of religion. When will this stop and what can be done to stop it.
The security forces, try as they might seem powerless in the face of this madness.
I'm beginning to think that this is a battle we simply can't win.
:'(
Mrs Brown
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I agree Mrs B and the thought terrifies me :'(
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I commented to hubby that maybe they should have kept response at critical after Manchester instead of dropping to severe. But apparently we can't sustain that. However, how many more families are to suffer in the coming weeks & months. He said only way to sustain higher security levels is to have army on patrol. Maybe it will become a necessity. >:( >:( >:(
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Terrifies me too.
It's difficult to fight something and someone that is living amongst us. How on earth can that happen.
Why are these young people being radicalized against the country and people they live beside.
I'm beginning to think that parts of some religions are just evil. Or at least they take small sections of scriptures and read into it what they want to justify themselves.
The thought of the army on our streets is a scary thought but might become necessary. Trouble is if they are determined then nothing will stop them.
Mrs Brown
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Very true Mrs B. We have been lucky here in Scotland, but I fear it may happen one day.
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I'm totally convinced it will happen here too.
We don't have as big a Muslim population though which will have something to do with it no doubt.
I just wish the Muslim clerics who no doubt have huge influence were more vocal in their condemnation of this kind of thing.
They sometimes must at least suspect that something is going wrong.
Oh, there are no answers to this madness but I truly wish there were.
Mrs Brown
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I don't believe this radical form of Islam is anything to do with the Muslim religion which is, in essence, a peaceful religion. As with the IRA in its time, these radical extremists use religion as a cover to give themselves a reason for these hate crimes. True Muslims will abhor and condemn these acts in the name of their god and their religion.
Did anyone see the story of the 46 year old devout muslim and the 93 year old Jewish woman and their deep and abiding friendship in the Saturday Daily Mail after the Manchester bombing? I thought their love and tears said it all, what religion is really about, not these atrocities.
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I tend to agree with MBrown....until the M community particularly the influential leaders/clerics, stand up en force worldwide and condemn this violence, I cannot see a way forward.... :'(
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Not going into the religious side of it as it could stir up a hornet's nest. These people are plain evil, pure & simple.
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I have removed my post as I don't want to cause offence and CG you are completely right about the hornets nest.
I'm just so sad this morning.
Mrs Brown
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This is our stomping ground, hubby works a stone's throw from Borough Market. It is a thriving, trendy, bustling area full of youngsters using bars and restaurants. My kids and their friends hang out there frequently.
I honestly honestly don't think this is about religion, it's a lunacy that drives fanatics. Look at the history of these attackers, they are virtually always poorly educated petty criminals with a history of violence, drug taking etc, life's non achievers. This is not in the name of Islam, or any religion, this is just an excuse for barbarism. A desire for self importance, a chance to stand out from the crowd.
I don't know what the answer is but I won't allow them to cower me. I will encourage my kids to live their lives and not lock themselves away frightened. I've lived and worked in London all of my life and experienced the many threats we've been subjected to over the years. If armed police or army patrols are necessary, so be it, we'll adjust to that, it will become our norm just as it is in Paris. We are going to have to adjust, make changes, most definitely employ protection from vehicles being used as weapons. And I think we will have to stop pussy footing around the subject of how to deal with this threat. I know that there are members of the Muslim community who are afraid to speak out for many many reasons. We have to give them the confidence to be a voice, to be heard.
My heart goes out today to all those poor souls affected by this horror, I feel crippled with sadness for them today.
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An amazing and heartfelt post Elizabethrose thank you.
I was thinking about you last night hoping you'd be ok. Lots of love to you xxx
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I thought of you too ER! I don't think it's necessarily anyone connected to a religion, when there are issues often others copy-cat ..... I do feel that there should be a media blackout as it's feeding their narcissism. Initial headlines, then statements at the end of each week giving a short statement that 'investigations are continuing'.
We don't know how many plain clothes officers are already amongst us but they can't be everywhere. Sadly it's happened in the Middle East all through the week ....... Coptic Christians last Sat. as well as a huge bomb explosion outside the German/US and UK Embassies. + people killed in Kabul at a funeral for others killed a few days previously ........ anger about supposed issues can trigger people to cause chaos >sigh<.
I was surprised to see people leaving with hands on heads :o ....... what did they do with handbags and mobiles :-\
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They left them behind CLKD.
The police didn't know who was who so better to be safe than sorry I think.
Mrs Brown
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I always check Fire Exits etc. in Theatres but it's getting harder when any vehicle could be a threat :-\
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Anyone watching the Concert?
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Our Prime Minister is pulling up her big girl pants I think.
Things may be about to change perhaps.
Mrs Brown
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Everybody in this country needs to WAKE UP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTlyCcL_5pU
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REAL news reportage (ie. not doctored and PC correct media coverage that is broadcast on mainstream to manipulate the masses):
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
https://twitter.com/patcondell?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
https://twitter.com/KTHopkins?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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I haven't read the Links as I'm really tired. We need to realise that we don't have enough Forces and NHS Staff and that impacts on being able to check on everyone who might be a suspect.
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A start would be to stop Foreign Aid to countries who hate us to fund the protection of our country.
Do people not realise we are AT WAR?
50000 people at the Manchester concert singing and dancing to happy feel good songs as if everything's alright?
Why aren't they LIVID and ANGRY that only weeks ago children were blown up?
Why aren't 50000 people outside Downing Street demanding answers as to why all these known people of interest (23000) are allowed to roam the streets and insight terror.
SHEEP wake up.
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Because I haven't the energy and I feel that should we go to any of our towns en-masse when Police etc. are otherwise engaged, we would be more of a hindrance. We have the opportunity to improve issues on Thursday. We can get more involved at local levels by joining the Parish/County Councils and by inter-acting with people as people, not as 'different' religions. [which I don't have any interest in]. We can write to the various Powers that Be to put points across.
I think it's absolutely fine to get together as a Concert, we have to move forwards - think back to how people reacted in WWII. They got on with Life as best they could despite rationing, properties disappearing in one flash after a bomb. Children, pets, adults, newly married etc. were all affected.
I grew up with fear of The Bomb plus the IRA putting forwards their feelings, which probably wasn't the way to impress their views; as well as living in a family 'at war' between themselves [hence my anxiety issues :'(]. I have got passed the point of being angry. Sad. It's a waste of energy on all sides ........ at what point is it OK to 'get back to normal' ? I have stuff to do, people to see, places to go and I will not give up unless anxiety takes over!
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Mrs Brown
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I suspect the people of Manchester and beyond are both livid and angry but you can't live every day in a permanent negative state, it impacts on your health and then the terrorists will have ruined more lives. We have to find a way to live with what happens. that doesn't mean we forget about it when we turn our TVs off.
I was touched by the family of the Canadian lady who died in her fiance's arms on London Bridge who asked people to donate to a homeless charity in her daughter's name. That's the way to do it, not get eaten up with anger and let it poison our lives and thoughts.
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Apparently this lady had worked with homeless charities in Canada. Ironic ain't it .........
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I agree Hasty and most of those were kids who I presume have no understanding of politics and terrorism. In my eyes, they were brave enough to go back to another concert.
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As an anxiety sufferer being in such a large crowd would be impossible anyway, so Good On 'em!
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I agree Hasty and most of those were kids who I presume have no understanding of politics and terrorism. In my eyes, they were brave enough to go back to another concert.
I agree. Must have been so hard for them, not sure I could have done that. Youngsters could probably teach us a thing or two about Peace on Earth.
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I agree Hasty and most of those were kids who I presume have no understanding of politics and terrorism. In my eyes, they were brave enough to go back to another concert.
And they might have seen it as their way of paying tribute to those who died.
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I admired them so much.
They followed a mum and daughter on The One Show. What a brave and plucky little girl.
The important thing is ...they went...they enjoyed ...and they showed the world what the British people are made of.
STRONG STUFF
Mrs Brown.
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Minutes silence now
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Apparently Ariana [not a name in my radar until last week] is paying for Manchester victims' funerals - wonder what the fund raiser monies will go for?
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Which should of course, be covered by our NHS! who do 'basic' prosthetics but not ones that are more comfortable. Hopefully those affected will get advice from the various ex-Service Charities who deal with loss of limbs daily.
People would surely get paid leave of absence initially :-\ .......... and of course if they are at the bedside for long periods of time then their Insurance Provider should be told so that if they are broken into ........ hopefully too all car-parking fees will be waived!?!
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About 2 years ago a young lad locally had a very high amputation [into the hip joint] and required a specific type of prosthesis because he would have continued growing, it needed replacing every 18/20 months. Sadly the cancer took hold ......
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Adelaide 6/7 hours ago and now outside Notre Dame, Paris :-\
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Finsbury Mosque attacked last night >sigh< all Police Leave cancelled across London. Another van driven into a crowd :'(
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Scary times, my heart goes out to them. It's just awful :'(
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Another ramming in Paris, Champs Elysees. :(
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Off to read the News - again :(
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Barcelona now :'(
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Finland :'(
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.......... and seasonal flooding affecting parts of Asia .......... a Natural event doesn't make the misery any less :sigh:
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Seven people have been wounded in a knife attack in the Russian city of Surgut, security sources say.
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50 shot in the US last night and many injured.
Others injured in Catalan following an Election towards Independence from Spain. Long term historical problems .............
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London - incident outside the Natural History Museum :'(
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Apparently the Police are trying to say that this is 'non terrorist' - however, the legal explanation in order to have Armed Police etc. and in order to be able to hold suspects longer than 48 hours, is 'the cause of fear to people'. [or similar words].
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Strasbourg :'(
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Terrible.
It's xmas, it's bound to start again.
This is what they do.
Those poor people. 🤦♀️ 😭
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So why not put more barriers etc. I place :-\. Jane Macdonald is in Leeds Arena on Sat., hopefully there will be lots of security.
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Is it possible to fully protect against this kind of attack?
Only if we totally change our way of life and I'm not prepared to do that. Then they have really won.
There are lots of celebrities at lots of venues, though out the UK all the time. I don't think Jane Macdonald would a particular target.
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Who's Jane MacDonald? :-\
Taz x
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Well exactly.
B list singer who does a programme on cruises. Nice I am sure but very annoying. I don't know if that's enough to make her a particular target??
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It's the over-all chaos. Striking where least expected. Any venue is at risk ....... I am amazed that when I visit Milton Keynes that bags aren't searched. A multi-cultural area, lots of doors into the main Centre, no staff in evidence :-\. All that glass :'(
They got him :-X
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I am not sure how being a multi cultural area is a problem. Are you say that you are afraid of certain cultures?? :o
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Nope. That's the problem with the written word and my thread on 'friendship' will show that I am interested in cultures world wide. Of course, meno-brain here can't remember the name of the thread :-\ .........
There are extremists in all countries. But I try to avoid busy areas particularly at festive times of year but that doesn't mean that we don't go out and about. There is one shopping area where vehicles are allowed really close, it's a pedestrian precinct with access to pick up the infirm - but is totally unguarded so would be an easily targeted coffee shop. So I try to be vigilant but never think that 'they' won't strike 'here'.
People can be 'hidden' within a crowd ........ particularly in a multi-cultural crowd where people are less different.
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Jane MacDonald? Who. ?
:rofl:
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Taz ;D shadyglade especially :rofl:.. and jillydoll - surely you have come across here on one your infamous cruises ha ha ha ha! I just love where these conversations start - "terrorist attack" and where they go "Jane MacDonald".... some of them are just side splitters!
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:'(
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Terrible attack in New Zealand. It's such a peaceful country with a low crime rate, it makes it even more shocking.
Carried out by a far right group. Extremists come in all guises.
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Hiding behind an 'idea' though - calling themselves something enables them to justify it. They are rarely alone in this. :-\
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Just watched some of the news coverage and it is truly shocking.
Far right politics and extremists are very dangerous and anyone, who even thinks they have something interesting to say should examine their consciounses. MI5 have acknowledged the increasing threat from them.
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Terrible attack in New Zealand. It's such a peaceful country with a low crime rate, it makes it even more shocking.
Carried out by a far right group. Extremists come in all guises.
unfortunately probably regarded by the terrorists as a soft option because of the usual low crime rate.
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Terrible attack in New Zealand. It's such a peaceful country with a low crime rate, it makes it even more shocking.
Carried out by a far right group. Extremists come in all guises.
unfortunately probably regarded by the terrorists as a soft option because of the usual low crime rate.
Too right. My eldests son is much travelled and lived for a year in New Zealand. Amazingly, given some of the iffy places he has been too, he was mugged in New Zealand. He couldn't believe it as the crime rate is so low. Talk about bad luck.
It's the exception that proves the rule though.
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The person that carried out the atrocity was born in Australia. So he's not an immigrant to New Zealand then :-\ - how does that work? 4 people were arrested .......... 49 dead. :'(
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Shocking news.
I have family in NZ, they will tell you the crime rate is not low, I was surprised when the told me but lots of it is family related and when the rugby team the All Blacks don't do well, A & E where my sister in law works is full :'(
They also have big drug problems, my image of a tranquil, everybody friendly country was soon squashed, but they have lived there for 20 years and never mention coming back.
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It has the highest male suicide rate per capita ..........
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It has the highest male suicide rate per capita ..........
Really, I thought that was Finland.
I'll have to investigate.
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Let me know .........
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The person that carried out the atrocity was born in Australia. So he's not an immigrant to New Zealand then :-\ - how does that work? 4 people were arrested .......... 49 dead. :'(
Travel between NZ & Australia is not subject to strict control for citizens of those countries.
Australian Resident Visa
Australian citizens and permanent residents can visit, study, work and live in New Zealand. You won't need to apply for a visa before travelling and can be granted a New Zealand resident visa when you arrive – as long as you meet our character and entry permission requirements when you get here.
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/australian-resident-visa
A bit like us and Eire then, before the EU.
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NZ has a high youth suicide rate, maybe that's what CLKD has heard.
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as long as you meet our character and entry permission requirements when you get here.. that worked well then :-\ and he was an immigrant. He had moved from Oz to New Zealand according to 1st reports, however it seems now that he had gone to NZ specifically to target the Muslim community :'(
I have friends in NZ who have told me several times about the high suicide rate.
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Is there a problem with my comment ............. :-\
My friends stated that NZ has the highest suicide rate per capita in the World. They live there.
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Is there a problem with my comment ............. :-\
My friends stated that NZ has the highest suicide rate per capita in the World. They live there.
To be honest and I have googled it and none of the graphs I have seen put NZ particularly high. Could be a perception thing with your friends?
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They live there. Statistics can prove what the authors needs to prove ::)
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What's your point exactly?
I haven't looked at the News today :-\ :'(
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Now, now girls.
I have read that they do have the highest in youth suicides. That's up to the age of 19. The rates across all age groups do not put them particularly high.
That means you are both right. Don't take comments too personally. I fell foul of that on another thread. :(
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:thankyou:
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OK - the written word is static ;)
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Yep. We rely so much on facial expressions.
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:'(. Holland now :'(
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I know, very worrying.
My eldest son has friends in Utrecht and visits there often.
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Whilst I understand peoples' anger: after all I get niggled if someone parks outside our property and doesn't visit us, if they asked if it's OK - we may be having visitors ourselves: there seems to be so much anger directed at others .......goes back to The Crusades and probably earlier :-\
Bugga ............ hopefully friends not involved Shadeyglade ? :-\
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Some doubt now as to whether the motive was terror related.
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One man has been arrested. It really does depend on what the term 'terror' has come to mean - to me, anyone who opens fire etc. in a public place with intent to harm is a terrorist!
Dutch prosecutors investigating the murder of three people on a tram say a letter was found in the gunman's getaway car and it is one of the reasons why a terrorist motive is being seriously considered.
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A bus carrying 51 schoolchildren has allegedly been hijacked by its driver and set alight near Milan in Italy.
"No-one will survive," the driver was alleged to have said.
The children, some of them tied up, were rescued through smashed windows at the back of the bus and no-one was badly hurt. Fourteen people suffered smoke inhalation.
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Had just been told a bomb has gone off Lyon. Have not yet seen a news report. :o
At least 6 injured.
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:'(
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French police have made an appeal for information in their hunt for a man suspected of planting a parcel bomb in Lyon, which injured 13 people.
The device went off outside a bakery on a busy street in the heart of the country's third-biggest city.
Those hurt, including a girl aged eight, appear to have suffered superficial injuries.
Anti-terrorist prosecutors have taken over the investigation and security has been boosted in public places.
Police released a grainy image of the suspect taken from CCTV footage.
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Virginia Beach killings: City names 12 victims of mass shooting
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Darwin: 4 dead :-\
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NHS trusts, local councils and police forces are to have a legal duty to help prevent and tackle serious violence, including knife crime.
Under plans being announced by the home secretary, public bodies in England and Wales will have to share data, intelligence and knowledge.
How is the NHS supposed to stop crime of any kind :-\
Cars running into crowds in the last 36 hours - Police say not terrorist motivated. But causing fear is terrorism under the Law :-\. Not once have parents been cited as stopping knife or other violent crimes - surely some of the perpetrators have parents?
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A&E most likely, sharing information in relation to serious injuries, knives, guns, gangs etc. Amazing the things you can find out!!
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I thought that if someone turned up in A&E with a knife wound, the police were called anyway.
Is that right? Perhaps someone here knows.
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The headline reads that the NHS must prevent ........... lots of thugs are treating their own knife wounds so that they don't get picked up.
It's the 'must prevent' that I don't understand. Where are the parents in all this!
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Parents, alot know their rights but take no responsibility!!
That's supposed to happen re Police being called.
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Parents seem scared of their kids these days :-\.
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Lack of respect? We were raised to treat our elders with respect ......... village police man on a bike would get the news home quicker than I could run. We had to keep to strict times to be home by or ELSE.
We had screech alarms, anyone remember those?
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Hi there.
NHS staff do have a duty of care to call the police with knife and gun crime. I remember looking after my first shooting victim in nursing in my 20 's I'm now 56, back then it was rare sadly not so now.
In schools many in kids in London go through scanners before entering for lessons etc radicalisation is on the increase.. Its a sad world we live in... Parents only have so much influence on their kids look at my DD and im a knowledge mother.
Woodlands x
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Morning. Duty of Care isn't the same as having to prevent knife crime.
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CLKD.
No it isnt but having done stints in A&E during my nursing career the nhs staff are only just if at all keeping their heads above water treating patients in need whatever that need is. Its a place too patients end up blocking the department because their are no wards spaces to discharge too.... The best they can do is inform the police, keep their client safe and record and treat injuries... County line drugs are leading to gang culture and it goes on again and again
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It's sad. When I was growing up the East End of London 'looked after their own' :-\. Now it seems OK to be violent to anyone that 'looks wrong' :'(
My sister left the NHS due to un-safe working practice ....... she loved it despite all. But she didn't like being kept awake due to worrying about the lack of support from the Government of the day :-\
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Hi CLKD.
I did 33 years in nursing in many roles, hospital then with both adults and children in the community.... It felt a shoe string service in the end, quantity of clients seen over quality of care.... I wasn't going to budge on tue quality of care i gave to any manager nagging..... With my DS passing i opted for early retirement - no regrets ever. I still work with children but in a term time role and not as a nurse yippee x
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A whole raft of experiences are being lost :'(. I think that my sister has accepted the change.
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Children are getting away with things they shouldn't because parents and teachers are not allowed to discipline, i don't believe in smacking if it can be helped but i don't care what anyone says sometimes they need it to be controlled
I am not talking about beating or punching or anything violent, but they need teaching from being very young what is right and what is wrong,
Too much pampering today, and too many do gooders imo
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A sharp smack wakes them up that the carer means what is said!
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Copenhagen police station hit as Danish capital sees second blast
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A man has been arrested in Norway after a shooting inside a mosque left one person injured.
Police say a gunman opened fire on the Al-Noor Islamic Centre, near the capital Oslo, on Saturday.
The suspect has not been named, but police have described him as a "young white man".
The mosque's director told local media that the victim was a 75-year-old member of the congregation.
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London Bridge cordoned off :-\ ............
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3 dead :'(. Well done those that tackled the suspect ......... buggered up C.mas for too many ........... :'(
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At least three people have been stabbed in an attack at a department store in a busy shopping street in The Hague, Dutch police say.
Police are searching for a man aged between 45 and 50, wearing a grey jogging tracksuit, who they believe may be behind the attack.
Images on social media showed emergency services at the scene amid crowds of Black Friday shoppers.
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New Orleans shooting: Eleven victims near French Quarter
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A gunman has killed six people in a hospital waiting room in the Czech city of Ostrava before shooting himself in the head, police say.
Armed police found the suspect dead from a self-inflicted gunshot in a vehicle three hours later.
The gunman was believed to be a patient at the hospital, one unconfirmed report said. His motive remains unclear.
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A police officer and at least five other people have died in a series of gun battles in Jersey City, in the US state of New Jersey.
Two other police officers were wounded during the incident, which ended in a shootout after two gunmen barricaded themselves in a kosher supermarket.
A motive for the incident is not yet known. But the mayor said investigators believe the location was "targeted".
Several local schools and businesses were also put on temporary lockdown.
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East Croydon railway station stabbing leaves boy dead - 1 hr
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A car has been driven into a crowd at a carnival parade in the western German town of Volkmarsen.
At least 10 people are thought to have been injured, local media report. A police spokesman said the driver had been detained.
Eyewitnesses quoted in the German media say the driver accelerated toward the crowd and appeared to target children.
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Nice again :'(
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4 killed, many with life threatening injuries and we worry about C.mas :'(
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The World is in upheaval again :'( 19 killed in the US, every time I open BBC News there is yet another attakc/murder across the UK . What is wrong with people?
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More shootings and stabbings across the UK in recent weeks :'(
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Just yesterday there was a mass stabbing by two men in the province of Saskatchewan, 2 men were stabbed and killed (targeted) and then the perps went on to kill another 8 randomly and injured 15 more. The RCMP have no idea where they are so the whole province is on high alert.
Why??? :'(
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Because they can. They want their 15 mins of fame ........ I would have a blanket media ban. Like the guy who scaled the Shard in London and the Telegraph have photos!!!! don't give them air space >:(
My paternal grandma would say that men need a War to get rid of all that testosterone and the feelings that they 'were hard done by'. Like no one owes anyone else a job/roof over their heads ......
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The two gunmen are brothers, from an Indigenous community. One of the brothers was found dead two days ago, not self-inflicted. The other brother is still on the lam, maybe injured. The names of those that died were released today and it looks like from the last names whole families were killed. :'(
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:'(. so sad. I don't suppose we will ever know what drives people to terror attacks :'(
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Both perpetrators dead ...........
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Yes, the second brother succumbed to medical distress when he was arrested. The families will never know the motivation behind the killing of their loved ones. :'(
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Apparently there was a history of substance abuse ......... :-\
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A suspect aged 69 was quickly detained by police. Prosecutors said he was known to authorities.
Authorities appealed for people to avoid the area in Strasbourg-Saint Denis in the 10th district of Paris.
There is no confirmed motive for the shooting, but reports suggest the suspect is a French national known to police for two counts of attempted killing at a migrant camp in Paris last December, during an attack involving a sword.
How can someone be out of custody so that they can 'have another go' :-\ :'(
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Senseless. 'mental health issues' isn't an excuse! :'(
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11 dead at a University.