Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => Personal Experiences => Topic started by: Dr. Heather Currie on April 27, 2012, 06:07:15 AM
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Many women are able to use HRT for control of menopausal symptoms, treatment of early menopause or for prevention or treatment of osteoporosis with good effect. However, some women are either unable to take HRT, or may not wish to. This section has been started to focus on the experiences of women who have used non-hormonal options. What has worked for you.
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When I was going through my peri menopause, one of my bibles was" Passage To Power: Natural Menopause Revolution" by Leslie Kenton. I think it is one of the best books written for any woman wanting to go through the menopause naturally or who cannot take HRT.
Even though I have had a partial hysterectomy and use a 0.25 patch once a week ( for bones) I still follow her advise eg. diet, walking (sometimes I think I walked myself through menopause) vitamins and mineral,herbs and supplements and natural progesterone cream, also emotional and spiritually this book is excellent.
I have passed this book onto my daughter and sister who do not want to take hormones. My sister is 55 and doing very well without hormones ( she looks good too)
My mother did the same for me when I was in my early thirties, she gave me a book on womans health and the menopause which set me on the path to prepare for my own menopause.
silverlady x
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Hiya,
It is hard to not being able to have HRT. I can't as I am prone to clots.
So I try natural remedies which don't work too well.
Astonishingly enough I have found myself using some autogenous training in semi-sleep when I was just about to develop one more of these ugly flushes. I just told myself "I don't want this now" and it might sound ridiculous but it has worked. Not perfectly, but I was alright. Now I deliberately apply this technique when I get anxiety attacks. It is not perfect, but really rather helpful.
Nevertheless I will see my GP on Wednesday and ask for a referral to a menopause clinic (btw - how many are there and are they any good?).
Heikey
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Heikey, have a look at "Find a Specialist" in the top menu to find meno clinics. Most ladies on here have found them to be very good so hopefully you will too. :)
Bette x
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whenI first started with mood swings and night sweats/ palpitations I took meno herb/ menoleive (boots own) which worked a treat for around 3 months. Then overnight it stopped working and as upping the dose isnt approprite I chaged to HRT. would highly recommendd it though. Native american indian women used the active ingredient , black cohosh to help with womens ails...
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Heather
Thanks for starting this thread. For myself, I am not really coping that well. Lots of doctors will not take the time to work out a form of treatment for symptoms and many seem to be dead set against HRT. If you have a meno clinic near you are lucky. It may be hard to hit on the right method of replacing the hormones and some women are unable to tolerate side-effects or unwanted bleeding which is too worrying form them. It would be lovely if research could come up with the answer in the future. How many women are out there are getting desperate, not getting reasonable advice and thinking that it may go on forever which in itself is depressing without the hormonal downs that lower mood. I fear this stage of women's health is not getting the attention it deserves. One thing that I need to do is walk so I hope that the aching I get in my hips never prevents me otherwise it would be pretty intolerable. Drat our ovaries for doing this.
Meg
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Thanks Bette, I will....
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Dr Currie, thanks for this new thread.
I've had to stop HRT due to the double blow of severe progesterone intolerance and the exacerbation of migraines. Now trying some 'alternatives' (Femarelle) in the hope of finding some relief of symptoms.
Already some good suggestions on this thread, so thanks ladies.
Night_Owl
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Night Owl
I hope you find something for relief. So many women seem unable to tolerate any progestagins or progesterone. It seems to lower mood and cause many other pretty catastrophic side-effects. How would men put up with all of this and they say we are the weaker sex!
Meg
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Apologies if this seems like a silly question but how would you know if you are intolerant to a hormone such as Progesterone, apart from the "normal" side effects which are bearable such as cramping, sore boobs etc, what is it that makes you decide no this is not for me, severe migraines etc, just interested to know what makes woman decide this is definitely not working, apart from family history of clotting, cancers etc?
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Tried menopace which did nothing for me although i do like results quickly so maybe i did not give it a chance.
Now on Evorel conti 1/2 patch and i am so much like my old self again. Was reluctant to take HRT at first but after so many horrible symptoms i had to do something to give me back my life.
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The way most people know is if they are on a sequi HRT, they feel great when they are on the two weeks of oestrogen only pills/patch, then the two weeks they change to the combined oestrogen & progesterone pill/patch they can feel anything from not so great to really ropey.
If you fall into the later category the chances are you are progesterone intolerant.
The above is a kind of simplistic view, rather than a scientific one.
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That pretty much sums it up, or at least for me anyway. I now understand why I've had so many problems finding a conti HRT that suits me. Since I've been on the sequi patches I do great on the est part, but as soon as I start the prog/est patches, my old friend insomnia returns.
I'm now experimenting with cutting my patches in half to see if a lower dose will help. If it doesn't I may have to join the ranks of the non-HRT ladies, but I don't relish the idea of constant insomnia and hot flushes. Maybe staying on the sequi patches and just having insomnia for a couple of weeks here and there will be preferable in the long run.
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My periods were so dreadful and overwhelming for the last couple of years that when they finally stopped my menopausal probs seemed easy in comparison. I can`t take HRT because of past breast cancer, and can`t take St Johns Wort or Evening Primrose because of my epilepsy.
I went through the night sweats, depression, headaches, insomnia, acid reflux (?), and tried to adopt an "all things must pass" attitude, and certainly they all did pass in about 2 years. I was lucky. Just wish I could say the same for the VA, but there must be a treatment for that and I`m determined to find it! ;)
Can honestly say 9 years on that apart from the VA I feel 100% better than I did in my 40s, and that can`t be bad.
Hang on in there xxx
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I thought this was interesting but not sure where it belongs, so am posting it here.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/03/hormone-therapy-not-recommended.aspx?e_cid=20120603_SNL_Art_1
silverlady x
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An "extract"
A much better alternative is to use bioidentical hormones. These are natural hormones that are "bioidentical" to the ones your body produces. The bioidentical that is prescribed 80 percent of the time is estriol. It's natural, not a drug, and you get it at compounding pharmacies. It has been used safely for decades, and I believe it's particularly useful when your ovaries have been removed or you've had a hysterectomy. Dr. Johathan Wright, whom I've interviewed many times, is a pioneer in bioidenticals, and you can see what he has to say about their value in this short video
There are a few good vidios.
It is a perfectly respectable site with very respectable Drs.
It is not cranky and I put it here as a matter on interest as it also suggests ways of coping without HRT also other ladies might find in useful.
silverlady x
The thing is I do not randomly or endlessly search for dubious " new facts" unless I think them applicable or of interest, no one needs to read it it does not apply to them.
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I was tested +ve for premature menopause 2 yrs ago, aged 42. I have had flushes, spots and felt like PMT for 6 months at a time. My Dr said I could try HRT and it wouldn't increase future risk of breast cancer etc., as long as I wasn't on it for more than 3 years. Deciding to stay off as long as I could, I have been taking Menopace, which seems to calm the irritation.
However, I have just changed Dr and been told to go straight on to Elleste Duet Conti. She has also requested a bone density X-ray for me.
I haven't had a period since Sept last year, and have only been having 1 or 2 a year anyway. I don't want to have to go through menopause symptons all over again from the beginning, so am waiting for results of bone density tests before deciding whether to take the HRT. Also, was given this website to check out!!
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:) Thank you so much Susan. That was my first web-post on anything..ever! :o.
I think I am more concerned with "turning back the biological clock", which I feel is far less natural than supplementing body chemicals. Also a bit miffed as was celebrating ploughing thro the menopause without too much trouble! KT
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:) Thank you Susan, you've been a tremdenous help, and stopped me being self-conscious about posting threads! Great Support and thanks for the "Welcome". ;D KT
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Hi .
I came on this site ages ago , but then time flew by,
This may not be of any interest to anyone but here goes anyway.
I started HRT in my middle 30s I am now 56, I have had a fantastic life , rock climbed , scrambled all over with my two grandchildren, been out going, funny ,and totally loving and enjoying my life, my work , my family, my friends ,
.......8 months ago my doctor said enough is enough I will no longer prescribe you HRT , ( she has put me on the lowest dose to ween me off ) I can honestly say I feel as though it would be best to take me to the vet and have me put to sleep, I have never had joint pains have always been supple ( doing ballet and other dance ) I now am losing my confidence , I keep nearly falling over with the pain in my angles, knees and hips ,my character has changed, I cannot be bothered is a word I never used before but now it seems to come in to my head many times a day, my family and friends have tried with me but I know I am losing them , but I don't care ....... I will not go on .....
Doctor says it's all in my head, and I am suppose to grow old gracefully.
I would rather take the risk on HRT than live like this, I have never taken any other medication as far as I remember but am now being deprived of something that totally makes me the person I have been , are bodies were designed to last till just after menopause, We now live longer... why can We not enjoy it by feeling as supple and carefree as possible ,even if it does mean taking one pill a day,
I do wonder how many pills the doctor will try and prescribe me for all my symptoms ... Valium, steroids ,anti inflammatory, sleeping pills for night, wake up pills for day time ( seeing as again for the first time in my life I seem to be getting night and day the wrong way round )
rant over from a person who I remember being a carefree person just 8 mths ago .
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I'm with you, Eilleen. Luckily, my HRT-savvy gp is happy for me to stay on it as long as I want to; she has patients on it in their 70s. If I were you, I'd try a different gp!
Bette x
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Bette,
Thank you for your reply, I half expected people to say, "get over it "
I work with 2 ladies in their 70s who are still on it ,so I know what you mean,
The ladies who work at the doctors were saying that they have all been taken off it and most are not happy,
they were talking about a new patient to the surgery went for HRT she had been on it at her previous surgery the doc said No ... it turned out they were all shocked to learn she was 72 , yet they had thought she was mid 50s , she said she would look for another doctor.
Women of a certain age can be so easily written off, why are men the same age encouraged to use Viagra etc if they have an age related problem , " keep going as long as you can, even if it means popping a pill that may cause harm "
also this means the men this drug is aimed at have to watch their loved ones suffer because HRT is to dangerous for them to be given . something just does not add up .x
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Eileen
How totally lacking in care some GP's can be. If you were on oestrogen only and you felt so good, how can you be refused what kept you feeling good. I can totally understand how you feel. This change can be unbearable for many women, physically, emotionally etc. This doctor seems callous, I hope that you can get back onto HRT, you were lucky to find one that made your life feel worth living.
Meg
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Just been reading through these posts and note the comment about biodentical hormones (especially as I had a hysterectomy in 2003). I will look up Dr Wright on Google but in the meantime, what is a 'compounding pharmacy' please?
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I speak under correction but I think a compounding pharmacy is one that makes up the bio identical hormones according to ones blood tests/saliva tests and determines which strength of cream etc you would need to take. They usually make the HRT's in a rub on form, I was on the Estriol Bio Identical cream at one stage but switched to Oestrogel which is a bit stronger but also bio indentical. Transdermal seems to be the preferred method of delivery a lot of the time in bio hormones
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I am 57 years old and because of fibrocystic breasts it was advised not to take HRT.So I have tried just about everything and nothing really works.It a real shame that not enough is done to support Women going through this period in there life as its very difficult when you have maybe other issues that you have to deal with.Currently I have to have a biopsy in both breasts as flakes of calcium have appeared this couple with pain in the armpits means more worry.........So I think every doctors practice should have a resident menopause consultant after all................... were worth it surley.
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Have you been referred to a menopause clinic bobjool?
Taz x
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I'm four years into the menopause and have decided not to take HRT as I'd like to do this 'naturally' and think the symptoms may just be there once I'd stop, so would just rather get it out of the way now! It is a struggle though and hard to know what to put down to the menopause and what to put down to old age (I'm 52!). I do get achy joints and very hot flushes making me extremely red, but luckily not bathed in sweat during the night although I do have an on-off relationship with our quilt!! Luckily a lot of my friends are in the same boat but obviously some subjects are rather 'out of bounds' which is where a website like this is invaluable. I shall look into getting the book by Leslie Kenton as I feel could do with some support as I am getting very weary with it all!
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I also haven't tried HRT as yet but my symptoms have become more frequent as my periods have become much lighter/rare. The flushes have started waking me up during the night. I am aware that my GP practice is generally opposed to HRT and it has put me off making an appointment to discuss it properly. I asked to have a chat with one of the nurses as they are both female and a bit older but was told that the practice did not offer this. The doctors are either male or much younger.
I think I may look up this book by Kenton too.
Has anyone had success with treatments like Menopace?
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Hallo all.
I looked up this thread as I have today had a long serious conversation with my .G.P ref HRT.
But as a Heart Patient it is contra indicated for me due to the mount of meds I am on, plus raising the risks generally. :-\
It was left up to Me to decide, after a chat with cardiologist and G.P... I wont take the risk. :-\
Am 50yrs old Peri meno. Am taking supplements and vits etc.
Am struggling with a lot of the side effects which have increased in intensity in last 6 months. Am disabled too (increased joint pain has driven me mad) :'(
So am gonna try Anti Depressants for a while.( Might help with "red mist" rage) >:(
Am going back for another chat in 3 weeks time.
HRT is not for everyone..depends on your circumstances.
My G.P. was great. I went armed with info and list of symptoms over last 6 months, we discussed everything. Will give these AD a go and see if they take the edge off.
On another note have now adopted two cats...who are great company and keep me smiling. ;D ;D ;D All I need now is for the warm weather and sunshine to arrive so I can get outside more...........still waiting! :-\
Best wishes to all xx
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This is my first post. My periods starting going haywire in August 2009, gradually getting lighter and further apart. I haven't had a proper period now for a year, if not longer. Since Christmas I've had terrible night sweats and many hot flushes during the day. The night sweats came as quite a shock and made me feel quite ill at first. I've now got used to them, but still hate them! A friend recommended soya isoflavone supplements and I try to remember to take one a day. I think it is helping. I don't want to go down the HRT route, partly because I reacted so badly to The Pill (and tried many different sorts) and partly because my aunt died of breast cancer and was convinced HRT was the cause. I love running and try to go twice a week. I think exercise helps my symptoms, but I get this debilitating lack of motivation and lethargy, which isn't conducive to getting off my backside and doing something! I get more tired than usual and this may be because my sleep is interrupted most nights. I want to get through the menopause as naturally as possible, but it is hard. I suddenly feel old. I've always looked younger than my years, but I think I suddenly look my age!! I'm rapidly going grey, for a start!! Oh, and I suffer with terrible spots! Worse than when I was a teenager. I'm quite vain, so I struggle with this. I hate going to the doctors for anything and haven't been to see my GP for the best part of 12 months (and that was for something very minor). I missed my smear test last year, too. I booked an appointment to see my favourite doctor for tomorrow about my menopausal symptoms, then panicked and cancelled it this morning!! I wish local hospitals or clinics did a drop-in clinic for menopausal women... something casual, relaxed and where we could share our experiences. I've had a bad day today and spent most of it sitting on my backside in the living room, watching TV and playing about on my laptop!! I feel disgusted with myself. I've always been such a get-up-and-go type person!
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Hi yellowjo - welcome to the forum - lots of help and support on here.
You may like to say Hi under the new members section as well - other members will want to welcome you and your post might get lost on this thread.
Taz x
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Thank you, Taz! I'll take a look at New Members!
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my periods ended abruptly about 5 months ago and the symptoms started staight away, i suffered severely with hot sweats during the day sometimes up to 20 and night sweats which would leave me needing to change the sheets and nightwear, i have been taking isoflavanes for a few months and i didnt have any reduction with my problems i became pretty desperate and didnt want to resort to HRT as my family history would most probably stop me from having it, i was at a physiotherapist for a neck problem and as part of the treatment i was given acupuncture, i picked up a leaflet on my way out as there was a GP there that specialised in acupunture and mentioned how it could help with the menopause, so i am now on my fourth treatment, one a week and have had no further hot flushes or night sweats since the first treatment, i can now prolong the period between treatments to see if any symptoms reappear, i have spoken with my own GP who runs her own menopause clinic and she has asked me to keep her informed of my progress, i am not saying it will work for everyone but it has at the moment changed my everyday life, my husband is astonished as i realy was not good to be around, i hope someone else benefits from this.
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Hi citygirl - welcome to the forum.
Thank you for posting your experience of acupuncture - it works for some it seems and not for others so it is good to hear positive experiences. One thing I would say though, and hopefully I'm wrong, but hot flushes often disappear when a period is on the way and as you have only gone five months without one this could very well be what is happening in your case. Let us know - it will be really good if the acupuncture has stopped your sweats - fingers crossed.
Have a good browse around the forum - there is lots of info on here. You might like to introduce yourself under the new members thread too.
Taz x :welcomemm:
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This maybe of interest to women who don't want to take HRT
http://www.gp-training.net/pal/therapy/hrtselfhelp.htm
Checkout the rest of the site too.
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Pleased to see you can get Serenity 20-1 Bioidentical Progesterone Cream with added Estrogen as well as Serenity Progesterone
Cream on Amazon UK now.
I am having a break from estrogen patch at the moment, well actually I have run out and not ready to go through the fag of trying to get an appointment at the surgery for another six months of patches. It seems to get harder getting an appointment.
I have the Serenity20--1 in reserve and have been using it for the last week and feel fine.
Here is description of ingredients of Serenity 20-1 for interest.
•Certified Bioidentical Hormone Content
2.34% Natural Progesterone / 0.12% Natural Oestrogen. Each 60g (2.1oz) jar of Serenity contains 1,260mg of bioidentical USP Pharmaceutical grade Natural Progesterone + 60mg of Natural Estriol + 6mg of Estradiol (Estriol 0.11%, Estradiol 0.01%).
•Advanced Liposomal Formula
97% - 100% Absorption. Wellsprings 20-1's advanced liposomal formula optimises progesterone absorption while keeping skin healthy and moisturised in areas where applied.
•Hypo-Allergenic
All natural ingredients Free from common allergens.
This is for ladies wanting alternate suggestions to regular HRT
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Hi yellowjo! Nice to see a fmailiar 'face'. PM me on Fb, we can moan about the meno together hun!! x
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I used sage tincture for hot flushes, it worked really well for me (my flushes have abated for now and my periods seem to be returning at the moment after a 7 month hiatus - this has been happening for the past 4 years or so). Really found the sage very good. It doesn't work for everyone, but it's worth a try!!
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Hi Silverlady,
Do you use the Serenity cream in place of taking HRT and does it work as well? Also, does it carry the same 'risks' as HRT? Sorry to sound a bit dim but my GP has started making noises about me coming off hrt.
Thanks
Jaydee
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Hi Silverlady
I'm also interested to read your post re: Serenity 20-1 (in May).
Are you still using it with good results?
Apparently it's cheaper if you buy it direct from Wellsprings.
I would like to come off HRT - had enough now and the results have never been that great, but worry as to how much worse I'll be off it, I came off twice before and crashed badly.
Night_Owl
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I started taking 2000mg of Evening Primrose plus 1000mg of Starflower oil a month ago. I haven't had a hot flush or night sweat since last Friday. Jury's still out, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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Fingers crossed Gypsy! Are you post-meno?
Taz x
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Barely started the journey, Taz. My last period was in June and I can't really pinpoint when the sweats began because it was such a warm summer - but I knew for sure that they were the real deal by the end of August.
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You could be brewing a period Gypsy - sweats often stop when one's on the way. Let us know!
Taz x
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Eek! Really? Well, you might be right as I went to bed with very sore boobs last night. I'm away right now and didn't bring my stock of tampons. Bummer if I have to go out and buy more. Oh well, I'll let you know!
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Sounds a bit like it then Gypsy - sorry. It's not long since June in the whole scheme of things. You will learn to carry tampons everywhere with you for the next few years!! ;D
Taz x
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Sounds a bit like it then Gypsy - sorry. It's not long since June in the whole scheme of things. You will learn to carry tampons everywhere with you for the next few years!! ;D
Taz x
Thanks for cheering me up! ::)
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You're welcome ;D
It's just that you can go months and months without a period and then one arrives out of the blue and sometimes it can be quite a sudden, heavy loss. It's not good if you are caught out without any protection. You have only missed three periods so it is still early days but, then again, you might never have another one. There is just no way of knowing.
Taz
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Yes, I'm sure you're right, Taz. The June period is the only one I've had this year, so I was hoping it might be the last - especially since the flushes and sweats started relatively soon after it.
Maybe it's false optimism, but I'm hanging onto the hope that the periods have finished and the flushes/sweats are now under control from taking Evening Primrose and Starflower oil. No harm in keeping positive is there? ;)
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I agree! I just wanted to mention the fact that a lot of members have thought that periods were at an end and that flushes had stopped only to find another period arrives.
Mine fluctuated for quite a few years - even going "missing" for nine months on a couple of occasions before starting again before I began HRT so I have no idea when they would have finally finished.
Now I am off HRT I might try your combination if my flushes don't stop!
Taz x
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By the way.. how are your travels going? Weren't you going to keep us updated with a travel diary or have I missed it?
Taz x :)
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Think I have posted this before but its probably been lost
http://www.gp-training.net/pal/therapy/hrtselfhelp.htm
Worth printing out.
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Yes, I saw that link before, Silverlady.
Taz, you haven't missed anything. I thought we'd be going off in our motorhome this month, but we've gone to Ireland instead to house-sit for a friend. We'll be leaving for Europe in the motorhome in November - so the travelogue is a bit delayed! :)
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Ah right!! Well Ireland is still further than I've been this year!
Taz x
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Hi Silverlady, just a question, apologies, as I may have missed an earlier thread but am I understanding correctly, you are currently using a HRT patch and Serenity Progesterone cream, do you get a bleed on this? I would love to be able to use the Progesterone cream but my Dr informed me that it would not be strong enough to oppose the Oestrogen, so I was forced to use a stronger Progesterone, but have heard such great stuff re this cream.
Thankyou.
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Cassie I have had a hysterectomy.
I use a 25 estrogen patch usually change it once a week, and dab on Serenity cream once in a while. I am post menopause and don't need hormones for symptoms.
Your Dr is right especially if you are still in peri menopause and using estrogen.
The natural progesterone can be used on its own though and this is why you have read good reports about it. Some women do fine on it alone.
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Aah I missed that part, thx Silverlady.
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after reading your previous posts silverlady I decided to give natural progesterone a try. My symptoms are anxiety,internal tremors etc,when I tried HRT I couldn't get past the few days of the estrogen without me feeling like I was going to have a heart attack, I purchased mine from Amazon and have found the cream has helped me I used every morning and after a week I found that the symptoms were subsiding did not know if it was the cream or just my natural cycle although I am not using it everyday now . I don't think it was estrogen I needed but the progesterone I am feeling lots better and hope it lasts.
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Anyone looking for an alternate to HRT may found this helpful
http://www.greenhealthwatch.com/newsstories/newsboron/boron-safer-hrt.htm
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I agree! I just wanted to mention the fact that a lot of members have thought that periods were at an end and that flushes had stopped only to find another period arrives.
Mine fluctuated for quite a few years - even going "missing" for nine months on a couple of occasions before starting again before I began HRT so I have no idea when they would have finally finished.
Now I am off HRT I might try your combination if my flushes don't stop!
Taz x
Update... well I did have a slight bleed - but it was so light I didn't even need to break out the tampons. That was two weeks ago, and the flushes haven't come back... not yet anyway. So I'm hoping that the Starflower and Evening Primrose regime is having a positive impact. :)
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An interesting thread for me - new to this forum and unable to take HRT (oestrogen positive breast cancer) and choose not to take supplements containing phytoestrogens.
My night sweats seem to come and go but I always sleep with a 'chillow' on the mattress next to me so I can roll onto it if I wake up feeling overheated.
Recently we changed to having 2 single duvets on our bed so my husband sleeps under a winter duvet and I can stick with a lovely light thin one. Seems like a really simple thing but we'd never thought of doing it previously and it has made a big difference to quality of sleep for both of us.
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Have you ladies heard of Jill Shaw Ruddock......you may well have. But she has been through menopause, out the other side. Recommend having a look. Barbara cartland recommended apple cider vinegar and honey (manuka) preferably!! It will help some people if they can get it down......2 parts acv to 8 parts warm water. I'm in early days of this phase of my life. Outside of hrt one day, I'm going to try anything. Libs
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This is a review of the book http://jillshawruddock.co.uk/my-menopause-manifesto/press/
I know that it has been said before that our reduction in sex hormones "releases" us to be who we really are but I don't half miss them!!!!
I've got some apple cider vinegar but not sure what it is supposed to help with.
Taz x
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I agree taz, ::)I'm not yet experiencing what most of these ladies are, I'm in my infancy. Never thought I'd miss having period. ::)
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I need to google it myself, but I know its awesome. Just had some in water...now off to work......
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Apple cider vinegar has many benefits (google) of interest here. Bone density. Has anyone experiencing mild symptoms had good results from red clover? Libby
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Silver lady.....your thread April last year is music to my ears. You explain of a book your mum gave you years ago, which prepared you. Another one which has been priceless to you wanting in the main natural methods and you walked yourself among other things through your menopause, which is going to be my way. Its worked for every other hurdle in my life why not this little beauty. Ten past two in the morning!!! Let me get this right, just as we finish one little curse, 37 yrs of.........alongside all the other hurdles......you walk your way through alllll of that. Then when i finally settle down with man of my dreams, the soul mate one. mother nature is sat on the front row on my wedding day with another little package!!!! No libido, insomnia, hot flushes, vaginal dryness (just a matter of time). And so far, since joining this forum, realise after reading your threads, I've got it mild. Is someone going to jump out and yell..........gotcha!! And its all a big joke? :'(
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No one has tried red clover? :-*
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Hi libbyloo - if you type Red Clover into the search box in the blue bar top left of the screen it will bring up all our posts on Red Clover. This is one of them http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,20893.msg309172.html#msg309172
Taz x
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I'm intrigued there isn't someone who had tried it. Thankyou for advice. Libby x
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Night_owl has tried it
"I tried Red Clover (then Femarelle) when I came off HRT for three months. It didn't work for me, no real symptom control, and I eventually went back on low dose HRT - but we're all different so it could be worth a try, have read many good reviews. It is quite pricey though."
Taz x
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Thanku. I'll have look at other threads under red clover. Libby
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Hi all after trying HRt drs have said I react badly to it so tried at their suggestion Femarelle which worked for a while but mood swings so they suggested black cohosh which I now take in the form of Remifemin. Great everything has gone no sweats nothing I also at her suggestion take vitamins But no one on here seems to have tried Remifemin So thought I would post as an alternative worth trying (it works for me anyway )
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Hi Lynanne
Glad you have found that this works for you but just to point out that it is not recommended to take Black Cohosh for longer than 6 months because of possible side effects and lack of long term data on safety. I used it for a few months when I was peri-menopausal but as I got further into menopause it stopped working!
I've just found some updated information on this website about it here:
Scroll down!
http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/otherpreps.php
Hurdity x
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Yes thanks for that have read it before i started taking remifemin only been on it for a month. So not worried yet my gp has said it is fine to take and I will continue to do so for now (unless it no longer becomes effective) Then I will look at other alternatives with my gp's advise.
Just relieved for now to be feeling so much better.
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Anything that makes you feel better Lynanne is good.
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Been on HRT for just over 3weeks starting to feel a bit better not my old self yet but not sure how long or how well it is meant to work ? Sore boobs back pain varicose veins tears and now I seem to have the cold blocked nose sore throat aaaaaaaa help anyone
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Hi gladys - welcome to the forum.
Which type of HRT are you on? Not sure that it will make any difference to your varicose veins and sore throat but sore boobs are common in the first few months.
Have a good look around the forum - things will seem much easier now you can share feelings on here.
Taz x :welcomemm:
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Thank you so much I am on Elleste duet 1mg feel tired don't want to go anywhere nervous and anxious worry about everything and how long do I wait before I say ok this isn't working for me and go bk to GP ? :)
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Hi Gladys
You really should give it 3 months (I know! It seems like an age) to see how it's working. I rushed things at the beginning, but it does no good! Try to focus on positive things if you can and the time will fly ...
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Thank you for your help my partner has arranged a day away for us but he is worried I will feel unwell if we go and can't come bk right away as would need to wait on a train what do you think oh sorry one other thing may seem a crazy question but can you take pain killers or cold remedies while on HRT again thank you for you help
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Yes things like painkillers and cold remedies are fine with HRT.
Taz x
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Go for it! You are safe with your partner and once you get into it, sure it will be fine.... I avoided things for 6 months and it did me no good. Now I push through no matter what and get a rush from surviving. My therapist says you have to feel the anxiety and do it anyway to heal - doesn't work if you just do things when you feel good! I have self-hypnosis downloads that I listen to to calm me down but just try laughing, talking or even singing if you feel anxious - they really do work!
Hope you go and have a fab time
Xxx
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This may be a stupid question or one that can't be answered but when do things get better I was told with hrt your periods come bk is that when it gets better or ??
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Nope you need the estrogen to build up in your system that's all. It can take up to 3 months for this to happen. If you get frustrated and start increasing to changing hrt too early then you may end up feeling worse for longer. I have been on hrt 9 months and still feel like I'm working on optimal dose. I do feel better than pre-hrt but still have some tough times!
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Thank you good to know there is light at the end of a very long road but at least there is.my sister been saying to my mum and that she doesn't know what I am worried about all women go through it am I being a wimp its all very new to me and I am trying to cope :'(
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Hi Gladys,
It's a pity your sister isn't a bit more supportive - the last thing you need now is being made to feel you're a wimp. If she has been through menopause herself with no symptoms then she has just been lucky - not stronger or better at coping than you. And if she hasn't gone through it yet, then wait and see - she might have to eat her words!
These symptoms can hit you like a train - truly horrendous for some of us. I am seven months into HRT treatment and it isn't perfect but I can cope now where before I just wasn't.
Keep posting - this site is a lifesaver and very supportive. :)
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Thank you so much to everyone on here for support I am only 3wks on hrt and have been told it take at least 3 months if not more to get a bit better.I am not crying as much as I did few weeks ago but still worry about daft things my body is changing and I seem to notice more soreness which was probably there before but I am more aware of it now.I have been invited to my brothers house at weekend as he just moved into new house but I feel its not for me at moment when I said this my sister said if you feel like crying while we there you can sit in the loo >:(
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I know it's really hard, but for most, the more you do, the better you will feel! It just takes your mind off it. If you can get home easily, so much the better! I have been in restaurants and had to leave due to panic attacks! I sit outside, sometimes cry, then go back in and face it! For 6 months I was basically housebound through fear and I am never ever going back to that! Cbt helped me a great deal - have you been offered this?
I also (and it seems I am in a minority) could not cope on estrogen without daily progesterone - the anxiety was just horrific! I now take daily progesterone and after 4 weeks settling in period, am happy as a camper. As time goes on you will learn your body and what works for you - keep a diary of how you feel - it definitely does get better ....
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Sorry what is cbt thanks
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Hi gladys - CBT stands for Cognitive Behavioural Therapy http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Cognitive-behavioural-therapy/Pages/Introduction.aspx
Taz x
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Thank you so much I do feel as time goes by I am coping better taking each day at a time the main reason I have decided not to go to my brothers is they seem to Be so unsympathetic to what I am going thru and that if I feel up set to go sit in the loo why would I want to go out and sit in someone loo sorry wee rant thanks all
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"Sitting in the loo... wee rant... " ;D
You have given me a giggle gladys although I appreciate it's not a funny subject. I just liked the way it linked in.
Hope that you are feeling better today.
Taz x
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Boron is a very good mineral to supplement if you are no taking HRT for any reason
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/boron-health-benefits.html
I haven take 3mgs daily for years.
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Hi Silverlady
I am new to this board and will briefly describe my situation. I was peri-meno 4 years ago and put on Prempak (lowest dose) due to unbearable sweats, bad temper, insomnia, awful periods etc. (male Dr's wife was my age and understood exactly what my husband and I were going through). When I turned 55 I decided I wanted to come off it. Nearly 8 weeks now and I take menopace, menosan, sage drops, evening primrose oil, Vit D (I live in the very far north of Scotland and take Vit D every winter). I also have chronic back pain which has definitley become much, much worse since stopping HRT so Dr prescribed 10/20 mg amatryptaline (I think that's the name). 3 weeks ago I bought progesterone cream on-line (well known brand) and all in all I think everything is working ok. Worse things are hot flushes (about 10 in 24 hours), back pain (had x-ray, several Dr appointments but seems to be arthritis) and crying at the drop of a hat. I'm feeling good right now but on a daily basis my good/bad is about 40/60 - I'm interested in Boron and you say you take 3mgs - where do you get this from and what are the main benefits you find (I did read your link , thank you)
Sorry this is so long but I feel quite isolated with no female family members at all,
Poppi x
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Forgot to say that Dr gave me pain killers + anti inflammatory pills for my back pain (had to try a few combinations before getting it right) and I know they make no difference to any of my meno problems just make me less anxious without the pain!
Poppi x
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Hi Poppi and welcome to MM
Gosh what a cocktail of things you are now on!!!
Why did you stop the HRT? Were you scared of the breast cancer risk? Did your GP think it seas time to stop?
The cancer risk in very small until your get to 60 and even beyond 60 the benefits can outweigh the risks.
I came off HRT at 49 because of all the scares about HRt at the time but most of these scares have now been revised. Somewhere on this site there are some of the latest findings which are well worth looking at and new guidelines are coming out soon. The protective elements of HRT are often underplayed - HRT protects our bones, reduces risk of heart disease and has been shown to reduce the risk of bowel cancer!!!!
I put up with 3 years of meno symptoms before giving in and going back on HRT. I took another break from HRT from autumn 2013 -14. I am now back on HRT (I'm 58)and feel sooooo much better. The problem is we don't know how long the symptoms will last and if your back is bad you've got enough to cope with without the meno symptoms and lack of sleep.
There have been some threads about the progesterone cream - oh boy is it expensive and I'm not sure it necessarily works to reduce sweats etc. It's oestrogen that reduces flushes and protect the bones and heart.
You were on one of the old fashioned types of HRt and the newer types are more bio identical so can be better. Femoston is known to be well tolerated. There are then the transdermal HRt types - so there is so much you can try - I'm Oestrogel with Utrogestan.Do read up all the info on this site - particularly under the headings of this left of this page.
Here are some links to things you might be interested in reading:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2800760/should-women-hrt-menopause-experts-say-s-best-way-ease-symptoms-avoid-long-term-health-problems.html
Do watch this Youtube film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1RtnxKy8TI
DG x
BTW I have tried every herb and remedy in the book, also high soya diet etc. - I have spent a fortune and nothing has helped except HRT. I do take Menopace as it's a good all round multi fit plus a good daily dose of Omega 3 as I'm an ex dancer with very dodgy joints.
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Hi Dancinggirl
Thanks for your reply and all the information, I have just read the article and accompanying comments and can identify with most of them. I stopped HRT as I wanted to know if my periods had stopped properly and I wanted to be free from the monthly bleed. I have been on anti-depressants most of my life (valium at 16 as I was only 4st. 10lbs, very pressured by parents to do well at school, they didn't approve of my wonderful husband (of 32 years now), made my sister's kids their favourite grandchildren and loads of other horrible events. My father was hen-pecked by my mother and I was physically, verbally and emotionally abused by them both until I married, then it was emotional blackmail continuously. My father is now dead and I have no contact with any of my family. My husband's family are the best I could wish for and were the best grandparents my 2 boys could wish for. My mum-in-law became my best friend and she died 9 months ago. I am still grieving for her but it's getting easier) I want eventually to be pill free although I know the herbal stuff plus back trouble sounds far from pill-free! Today has been a good day and believe that maybe at last I'm getting better. I had a huge lift from reading your post and realising that I'm not alone, thank you! Looking forward to visiting the MM site much more! :)
Poppix
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Oh Poppi - you've had a tough time. We all have to find our own path and knowing what is the best way to take is very hard. At least with this site you can get some good information and support from all the ladies who post on this forum.
You may find your menop symptoms settle in a few months anyway but it's good to follow a good diet and exercise regime. As for your back, have you seen a good physiotherapist for advice about some appropriate exercises. A good osteopath is also a good idea - though costly. My husband and I both suffer with our backs and we find we have to manage them carefully. A good mattress for a start, appropriate exercises to strengthen the muscles that support the back and keeping moving (brisk walking or swimming is great) can really make a difference.
Please don't waste too much money on creams and remedies that really won't help.
Keep posting. DG x
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Hi DG
Thanks again for your helpful advice. I had an x-ray 6 WEEKS ago and no results as yet (was told it could be a slow process in getting results to my GP, possibly up to 4 weeks!!) Anyway, once I get the results I am going to do something pro-active about physio and get off the meds.
I was signed off work (I'm a high school teacher) when Mum died as I couldn't cope and saw a herbalist to help with my childhood problems, which still haunt me. He was lovely, but very anti any medication from GP and said I didn't want the HRT in my system under any circumstances. He prescribed herbal tonics which were very expensive, but did help a little. I can get what he prescribed in Menopace + sage tincture for much less cost, so will be sticking with that. It's such a struggle trying to find out what works, so thank you for making me think again about lotion and potions!
My husband is very lucky and as yet has no mobility problems - it's getting him to slow down which I worry about! We both love long-distance walking and have walked the West Highland Way, other Scottish routes and this summer did the 70 miles Border Abbey's walk, which was lovely apart from the one day it rained continually! Can't go walking today as it's too icey (that's all we need now is a broken bone or two :)
Happy Sunday to all ladies!
Poppix
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Poppi I am sorry I did not reply to your query I have only just seen your post.
You can get Boron from any health shop e.g. Holland &Barrett, it is a very cheap supplement to buy.
Here is some info on Boron benefits, I chose a easy to read and simple link instead of a complicated one but if you want to delve more there are other more in depth ones such as http://www.researchgate.net/publication/254082639_Growing_Evidence_for_Human_Health_Benefits_of_Boron
http://www.livestrong.com/article/188606-benefits-of-boron-in-the-diet/
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Elleste duet 2mg anyone on it and did it help was on 1mg and helped a bit but still felt tired and panicked doc say 2mg should help hope so
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gladys
I think you have posted this in the wrong place. Do start your own thread so that more ladies can respond and support you. The increase in dosage may well help so give it a go for 3 months and see how you feel. If you are still not feeling that much better it could be a good idea to try a different type of HRT as the progesterone in Elleste doesn't always suit everyone. You don't say whether you are using a continuous HRt or sequential version - do you have a monthly withdrawal bleed?
Some women find they do better on an HRT with progesterone that is closer to our own hormones e.g. Femoston.
See how things are with the higher dose and then perhaps try Femoston as an alternative or the combination of Utrogestan with separate oestrogen in gel or patch form. Dg x
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I thought I was managing without HRT and it hadn't crossed my mind to even discuss it with a GP despite the intrusive hot flushes, night sweats, disrupted sleep etc. I made practical arrangements such as carrying spare clothes and keeping some at work; I made a conscious effort to use blue blockers and implement circadian entrainment to mitigate the poor sleep; inspired by The Bridge (and what seems to be the common Danish practice that couples with a double bed use separate duvets), I switched the bedding so that it was easier to fine tune temperatures on my side and to change the bedding quickly.
However, now that I'm 4-5 years post-menopausal, I'm beginning to wonder if I should broach the topic tho' I'm overwhelmed at the notion of talking to a GP as I tend to avoid them (I'm fortunate in being very healthy and my experience is that GPs are not good listeners).
I'll pop a little more information in an introductory post but I was in an RTA just as I was reaching menopause. To cut a long story short, I'm now in a position that I have enough confusing indications that I can't sort out what might be related to menopause (and might benefit from HRT) or might be something else entirely. My lean body mass has reduced by 25lbs, my muscle quantity and quality are poor (I'm down to 1/4 or less of the weights that I used to use when strength training), and I appear to be losing bone mineral density at a rate of knots. I've also developed very high cholesterol.
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I noticed that someone upthread had mentioned boron. I actually started taking this a few months ago for my cronky knees - not only has it made an astonishing difference to my knees, but it has got rid of my hot flushes as well. Apparently it also acts as a natural HRT substitute, without the drawbacks of that treatment. I take 3mg a day, and before that, I had horrendous hot flushes. Nary a one since!
It was mentioned as a cure for arthritis on an over 50s forum I belong to. I subsequently researched this article: http://www.positivehealth.com/article/nutrition/boron-major-cause-and-cure-for-arthritis
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In two words "im not"... I will post how i feel after i start taking HRT, and i totally hope that taking that pill will help me cope as best as i can,or at least help me feel a bit normal! The more i read the more i realise this is such an unspoken about subject in life and its just not fair ( see im now getting angry). This should all be out in the open, not just the word menopause but the effects it can have once u know for sure that is what is happening. My housemate tells me i dont act any different other than cant be bothered to go out to the pub or party, but she wants me back 2 my usual self. I on the other hand FEEL different.
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hi I have been on elleset duet 2mg for just over 3months and have started having diarrhoea in the morning which could be embarrassing if in someone elses home has anyone else had this please
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can I take johns wort with elleset duet 2mg and vitamin b complex as worst symptom is feeling down please thank you
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Hi gladys
You have put your questions in the wrong thread really. If you want to get some support it would be better to do your own thread and more ladies will see it and respond.
My thoughts regarding the diarrhoea is that you may have picked up a tummy bug and also our digestive systems tend to get very sensitive with menopause so I wouldn't blame the HRT.
If you are feeling down it could be to do with the type of HRt you are using and perhaps you should try Femoston which has a kinder progesterone which suits many women far better.
It is fine to take vitamins with HRT - I take menopause which is a good all round multivitamin. St John's Wort can interact with HRT and other drugs so I wouldn't necessarily take that - though I think some women do take both. What about some Valerian? Also Vitamin D deficiency can give us fatigue and low mood so taking extra Vit D3 is quite important especially if you don't get much sunshine. Hope that helps.
DG x
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Read all 8 pages of this one. Not good then overall? has 'anybody' had any joy with natural remedies, aside from the 'Boron' which I will look up next.
As I said in my intro, I have yet to visit the GP - as someone else mentioned about GP's and I do not get along so well. I am into my second week on Quiet Life pills, and week one on Ashwaganda - my next purchase is going to be Omega 7 for all the dryness. My worse problems are lack of sleep, panic attacks and this damn crying thing - anyone here does have any good experience with natural remedies please let me know.
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Hi and welcome SadLynda
I would take Omega 3 as this is really good for everything - including the skin. What about St John's wort for your anxiety and low mood? This has been shown to be beneficial but you do need to be careful if you take any other drugs etc so do ask your pharmacist about this.
Do keep reading all the info on this site. DG x
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Thanks DG, yes I am aware of St Johns Wort but cannot take that at the moment. 'Quiet Life' has 'motherwort' in it, which is pretty good (body count is down today anyhow, so must be helping). I used to take Omega 3 for my other complaints, but having done a ton of research decided to try the Omega 7 as that seems to have many a meno benefit.
oh yes, making good use of the site, thank you.
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Oh dear, this thread makes me sad that there aren't more positives to alternatives to HRT ...
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Hi and welcome to MM Beester
I'm afraid those of us who have tried every alternative in the book cannot give much hope when it comes to controlling flushes and night sweats - I'm afraid the numerous studies cannot come up with any really benefits of the alternative remedies and supplements. I am now 60, still suffering meno symptoms and now fed up with the hassle of HRT so trying to do without it.
I had 3 years without HRT before in my early 50s and the symptoms never subsided so I am not hopeful that things will improve anytime soon. I do use local oestrogen to help with vaginal and bladder problems (as a result of oestrogen deficiency) but I have accepted that a quieter life is the only way forward. Lots of relaxation techniques, lots brisk walking and simply saying NO to anything that might give unnecessary stress.
I do take Omega 3 for my joints plus Vitamin D and magnesium for my bones and the odd multi vitamin to make sure I'm up to speed on the dietary front but to be honest HRT is still the best, most effective and safest way of controlling flushes if you can find the HRT combination that suits you. DG xxx
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Hi I had to come off HRT a few months back very suddenly due to thickened endometrial lining (which, by the way has continued to thicken so now have to have a biopsy).
I was on tridestra because of progesterone intolerance. I had the progesterone tablets - no bleed. Phoned the GP was told to carry on with the E phase. Still no bleed. Couple weeks later phoned back and was told I probably was post menopausal - hence no bleed. Took me a while to convince the GP that I should have a bleed whether post or not cos of the E. :o
Had a scan - thickened lining. Off HRT a week later. Couple months later went back to the GP for sore bits. Was given vagifem and sent off for another scan as STILL no bleed. Now the biopsy as lining has thickened even more :-\
Since coming off I have had in the last 2 months:
Some weight loss (after weight gain from the prog)
Less water retention (bad on prog)
Reduced headaches
Slightly less foggy thinking
A bit more energy sometimes
Mood swings but generally on the low side
Difficulty getting out of bed but had that on HRT anyway
Night sweats but now decreasing
Hot flushes but now decreasing
Initial weird low blood sugar type episodes - gone now
Nausea - gone now
Tinnitus (whooshing)
Sore bits but better with local treatment
Fewer crying spells
Anxiety - and also sometimes emotionally numb?
:D >:( :( :'( ;D :o
Am not doing much about it. Well sometimes I am - it depends. I alternate between fighting back and then giving in so I guess it's my energy levels changing.
At least I now know that it's my menopause causing issues and not the HRT or a combination of both. Which gives some relief I think. I think... I dunno. Today I'm too tired to concentrate...
Good luck to people not on HRT - I think some do better without it from what I've read.
51 now - started HRT at 48
Jx
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I started with flushes at the age of aroound 49. I managed without HRT for about 2 years, but then the hot sweats became like a furnace and I couldn't cope. I went on the lowest dose of HRT and it worked a treat. I had my life back and could work without interruption. At 57 years old I was told that I would have to be off of HRT by the time I was 60. I started reducing the HRT gradually to nothing. The hot sweats were worse than ever, but I was warned of this by my GP. Apparently it would be like that for a few months and then settle down. I have been off of it for nearly 2 years now. 60 looming up. I have as many hot sweats per day now as I did 10 years ago. My glasses steam up and the bladder is affected. I have been put on tablets which are for migraine and hot sweats. These made me so dizzy and out of it that I had to stop taking them after a short time. I have been offered anti depressants, but declined to take any. I have taken various potions on the chemists shelves and absolutely nothing works. I just wonder if by taking the HRT it has just delayed the menopause rather that helping me through it as I was told it would? The only thing that works for me is a warm bath. If I start having a hot sweat in the bath, I can submerge my core and it seems to even out my body temperature and prevent the hot sweat from welling up.
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HRT FREE
So far, so good.
I struggled with oral HRT and though I liked the way the Estrogen patches made me feel, I never seemed to tolerate the progesterone regardless for the type or method.
As a result of other health probs I was advised to stop taking it and two months on I'm not missing it as I thought I would.
I have ditched all sugars, wheat, starchy carbs and anything processed and am taking supplements and feel thinner and fitter than I did on HRT. Stabilizing my blood sugars certainly stablises my moods and avoids the terrible night anxieties.
Although the trigger for my initial symptoms was fluctuating estrogen, I feel that understanding how peri meno effects my body has helped me to make positive changes to manage and adapt to a new me.
I still get night sweats which I can live with but so far none of the other peri symptoms have returned.
If I could change one thing to help all women it would be to encourage someone who knows more about these things than me to create a multiple choice questionnaire for women to complete which asks them questions about all the possible peri meno symptoms that they might be experiencing from twitchy legs to bladder weakness or from night anxiety to tender breasts.
The responses could then be scanned into a computer assessment programme which could generate a flow chart of questions and actions which can direct G.Ps in discussing possible treatment options with patients and recommending practical and appropriate management strategies.
I would also like to see a system of self referral support services for partners and couples to address some of the emotional fallout which can result from these hormonal changes.
Perhaps a programme along similar lines to the smoking cessation intervention or Cruise could be hosted though CMH? I know so many people whose relationships have broken down as a result of Meno. I cant see that such devastating outcomes are not as important as bereavement counselling?
Is this something you could support and influence Heather?
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This is how I'm coping but is this normal? I've ran my husband a cold bath and made him a cup of coffee using mixed herbs! I can't finish a sentence because I just can't find the words and my concentration skills are rubbish. I'm jumping from one subject to another and getting myself all muddled, it's as if my brain can't keep up. Is this normal? :-\ I'm 53, take hot flushes only in the evening and not had a period since January. Somebody please say this is normal!
Thanks girls, Diane. :)
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Diane- you ARE normal...
All Peri and menopausal symptoms :foryou:
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Sooby - I recently joined MM and voiced something similar regarding an infrastructure of services at grass roots level - not dependant on your financial status or postcode. My mental health has taken a bartering - and I believe that someone we knew through our daughter ended her own life violently because of her inability to carry on. I also believe that women in this generation and future generations are going to have it more difficult due to the many environmental changes that impact out sensitive hormonal systems.
DaisyB
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Reposting here in case it helps anyone.
As anyone who read my previous posts will know, I was in a terrible state, HRT had stopped working and consultants couldn't help, but I'm pleased to say I've been feeling quite a lot better recently.
Thanks to Alesia who introduced me, I've been seeing Claire Snowdon Darling and I've been coping better (I felt like I was dying all the time before). Claire has had her own health challenges and really under stands what it's like to have a non-standard and hormonal issues like some of us have. http://www.balancedwellness.co.uk
Her email is [email protected]
In 3 weeks the roof of my mouth has healed up, whereas before it felt like I'd burned it. It was red raw and broken skin before.
The bad taste in my mouth has gone. I was going to bed with mints in my mouth because I had such a vile taste.
I don't feel dizzy any more and I don't feel sick all the time.
I can take a nap in the afternoon whereas before I couldn't sleep AT ALL- I've had 4 so far. Today I napped for about an hour. This feels close to miraculous.
i can concentrate more at work, whereas before I was UTTERLY CONVINCED I'd lose my job.
Yesterday I went for a very long walk and got lots of fresh air. Before it was taking me until after lunch to get out of bed - if at all.
I am starting to think I might be able to get my life back. I'm so very grateful to Alesia for introducing me to Claire.
And a huge thanks to all of the wonderful ladies here too who have been so supportive throughout this awful, awful time.
If anyone wants to know more please DM me and I'll tell you. I think Claire does phone consults and helps women with diet and supplements over the phone.
Health-wise this has been by far the worst time of my life, but I have found such support. We are still working on things, but I hope that the improvement will continue. She's seen and treated a lot of meno and IBS ladies who have done very well.
I hope this helps some other ladies who need help at the moment xxx
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thank you Edelweiss- glad you are on the mend.I'm going to have a look at the site x
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Thanks Michellemabelle, yes I am definitely doing better than I was - much better. Plenty more to work on though, but such a relief to not feel sick, dizzy or be unable to sleep. Good luck! xxx
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hi I'm new to this forum, but have use the website over the last year with regards to my symptoms.
I was interested in this thread as I hope to get through this menopause journey without Hrt but am disappointed to see so few are managing to do so, didn't fill me with much hope.
Nobody really seems to mention herbal medicine, so I want to share my experience of using it so far.
Bit of background, I have been on paroxetine just over 20 years after my father died suddenly and I was suffering from post-natal depression which resulted in a breakdown with anxiety and panic attacks. It helped and I felt normal again. Then earlier this year I started experiencing feelings of anxiety again plus not keen on going out, doing thing. Noticed it was more pronounced at certain times of my cycle so suspected it was yet another symptom of my peri. I didn't want to increase my antidepressants and decided to visit a local herbalist and see what she could suggest.
She has made me a herbal mixture that I take 3 times a day and it so far is working :) If need be I think she can increase it should my anxiety gets worse and add to it if I start experiencing hot flushes.
It might be something others might want to try and also know of a positive outcome. Other things that are helping me get by is yoga, exercise and not getting stressed by doing to much, have learnt to say no. putting myself first which hasn't been easy and still struggle with. being kind to myself and saying its okay when I have a bad day.
Hope this give some encouragement to those who don't want to use HRT and try something else.
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Paupau - welcome to MM
Do tell us what your herbalist has given you? Anti depressants will often reduce meno symptoms like flushes but for many find that anxiety and low mood really flares up when menopause hits. HRT can help with so many menopause symptoms but it doesn't suit everyone. I'm sure your herbalist is being careful not to use anything that is contraindicative with your anti depressants - this is why I'm interested to know what you have been given?
I am now 61 and after being on and off HRT for 25 years, due to premature menopause, I decided to stop HRT about 18 months ago. I am partly relieved to be off the hormones now but I do miss some of the benefits. I am taking Red Clover, which does seem to have reduced some flushes - I am also drinking Soya milk instead of milk with my cereal at breakfast.
Making good lifestyle choices is very important - you are making some very good choices Paupau.
We all have to find what works for us. So pleased to hear you are finding a good way forward Paupau.
Dg x
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I had hot strong sweats for 2 years and then went onto HRT. It was brilliant. I had my life back. After 7 years I was told I had to come off it. That was two and a half years ago. I wait and I wait for the sweats to become less strong and less frequent. No such luck. I find that when I need to really focus and concentrate on something, a hot sweat wells up and takes away any concentration or intention. I think they may call this a form of stress? I am 60. No herbal preparations have worked for me, but getting out walking in the fresh air is a great help. Blows away the cobwebs and some of the sweats are barely noticeable in the cold crisp air!
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Betty Boo, could you not go back on HRT? If you were taken off it simply because you were 60, that is totally unnecessary and whoever advised that was behind the times. Plenty of women use transdermal HRT at age 60 and well beyond. I restarted HRT at 67, having been taken off it at 54 due to the health scares that were around in the early noughties. These health scares have since been shown to be unfounded.
JP x
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Good advice jp. I restarted on the transdermal hrt at age 60 due to severe sweats etc after my then gp stopping my hrt.The difference has been great in a very short space of time I've no sweats sleeping well coping better with life in general,still have my off days like everyone but it's winter it's miserable outside so I accept it's still early days and I'm happy for the changes I'm feeling already,that's good enough for me right now.
I've no regrets at all about restarting hrt the benefits for me are non negotiable lol.good luck xx
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My periods stopped July 2016; I was placed on HRT and had a terrible time forcing my body to menstruate, with a ton of pain. Tried a different HRT same thing, having stopped all HRT am on natural remedies, feel lucky to have the symptoms I have. If I don't have the natural remedies I know about it. Periods have stopped again so far...
Don't know a lot about different preparations and don't want to mess with my body...
doesn't seem to be an answer but as I said the comments I have read a hot sweats mood swings feeling shattered and having ‘bad days' I know I have it quite easy.
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I came off hrt patches in October 2017 as I had been on hrt for nearly 10 years thinking I should have a break as was told you should come off after 5 years for a break . I know the risks of being on hrt I.e cancer and thrombosis so I have given it a break for 4 months now and I must say I can't cope with the night sweats and hot flushes they are definately stress related but also I'm getting aches and pains where I didn't before when I was on hrt so as I have read on here before if I can take it and I am aware of the risks why should I suffer so I think I will go back on it .as long as my meno nurse is kept up to date and I have regular reviews then I might as well try and make myself cope better then suffer . The other things like herbs haven't worked so until researchers come up with a more natural remedy for the menopausal women then we have to get through it what ever makes us comfortable what ever that may be to get us through this change .
Js
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Hi. I am new to this forum. My doctor pointed me to the site. I am 48 and have had menopause symptoms for 5 years. I didnt relate it to perimenopause until last year. It started with anxiety, palpitations and sleepless nights. Followed by constant bouts of thrush and bladder irritation. I abandoned all soap products and changed everything to cotton. Everything began to irritate me, smells, people, routine, demands, noise. Gradually i was loosing me. I have battled through over the last year. Getting angrier, frustrated and decided i didnt want to be me anymore. This last 6 months my periods have dissappeared. I had constant PMS and suicidal thoughts. I was no longer recognisable and thought i was loosing my mind. My symptoms had gone from a 5 to a 9 in a matter of months. I dragged myself to the doctors and i am now on HRT. After a week i feel different. I am hoping it works as otherwise i cant see the point to life. X
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Hi cupcake I felt a difference pretty quickly too when I restarted hrt after an absence of 5-6 years.it was the best thing I did I had suffered so much over that 5 or 6 years I was off it,I was red raw and bleeding with VA numerous uti problems and thrush and antibiotics which nearly killed me I had so many courses of them then became allergic to them and the gps were bloody useless,no one ever listens do they,we know all these varying symptoms we get are so loopy but they're very real for us and not at all in our heads so why waste countless amounts of money sending us for invasive procedures and tests when if they'd just listen they'd know it's usually caused by one of the many symptoms of meno.Im doing good on oesrtrogel pump and vagifem it's been around 6 months since I tried a couple of hrt methods and I settled well on these,it's trial and error till you get the right ones.im pretty easy as I only need the oestrogen part so for around 3 months now I've been plodding away with it.no sweats day or night ,no pain in twin joints,no feelings of utter despair for no reason,I'm grateful to be out of that black pit that hits so suddenly everything about me has improved and that's continuing.stick with it there's absolutely nothing to be worried about,there's also plenty of kind support on here if and when you need it good luck xx
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I'm still at the peri stage. I take Menomood which has St Johns Wort and black Cohosh which I feel has made a difference to my swinging moods and more recently have started taking turmeric for sore joints. I keep very active and have to get outside most days. I don't want to take HRT. I'd rather get through this naturally but if my symptoms get worse then I may consider it. I do get the occasional hormonal migraine so though HRT has been suggested to help with this I have tried it and given I was still getting migraines whilst on HRT I just didn't see the point if it wasn't working. Also didn't understand the science. It's called Hormone Replacement Therapy. My hormones are all still there working in a weird way and fluctuating like crazy. HRT wouldn't be replacing them if they were running high, they would be adding to them and making it worse surely. Still would like to understand the science behind that logic. But I'm doing OK for now.
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Hi and welcome to MM willowrannoch
It's early days for you and how you deal with your menopause will be up to you. You say you want to learn more about what is going on, so here is the article I mentioned in my other post to you - it will hopefully help you to understand things better:
https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/magazine/pdf/Article%20-%20Perils%20of%20the%20Perimenopause.pdf
HRT certainly helped to reduce my bad headaches through the peri meno phase as I was getting headaches for 4-5 days in a row because of the hormonal fluctuations that made me feel awful. At 62 I have now been off HRT for 2 years and suffer headaches constantly but sadly my body won't tolerate progesterone any more so I simply have to go without the wonderful oestrogen that can make things better - though I still got headaches on HRT, there were far fewer of them. It is important to understand how HRT works and what the benefits and side effects are, so you can make an informed decision on what you options are. DG x
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Thank you, that link was very helpful. Estrogen and progesterone are the two hormones mentioned the most in any topics involving female body workings but would it be plausible to consider that the fluctuations in these other ones (FSH, Inhibin and FH) could also be contributing to the symptoms many women are experiencing? Has there been any research into this?
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Hi willowrannoch - I am not a doctor or scientist so don't fully understand all these things, however, I do know that FSH is linked to the activity of the ovaries which drive the oestrogen and progesterone production, so is the indicator of where we are in the menopause.
If ‘Hurdity' is around to respond, hopefully she will fill you in more about this, as she has a science background so can give you much more specific answers.
My understanding is that it is the ovaries dying off that results in the loss of oestrogen and progesterone which are the key hormones that result in most of the menopausal symptoms but you are right in thinking there are quite a number of factors involved. It is still a mystery as to why around 50% of women experience far more meno symptoms than the rest and the severity will vary from women to women - there is still much to learn. I am convinced that genetics has a lot to do with it all.
However, I don't think there is the money of the will to research this too deeply as there is no money in it for the pharmaceutical companies!!!! The fact that so many women have to give up work and drastically change their lifestyle in very restrictive ways, during and beyond the menopause, should result in more research but I think it is widely believed by our medical profession that our current HRT treatments are sufficient - unfortunately too many GPs simply put women on antidepressants which is not the correct front line treatment for menopause symptoms !!!! Personally I believe there would be much to gain from finding better and more positive treatments for the, sometimes, awful symptoms so many women experience.
I think you mentioned in your other thread, that you were put on the PCB continuously to help reduce the migraines you suffer with? If this is the case I also assume your migraines were specifically linked to the natural hormone fluctuations during your productive years, so by giving you the PCB continuously this would have prevented the fluctuations, thereby reducing the trigger for the migraines. When you stopped the PCB to have your children did the migraines return? Did you get migraines during your pregnancies - I suffered terrible headaches in my first trimester!
You are clearly peri menopausal and as you will now be experiencing more erratic fluctuations in the hormones, if you are not taking any hormone supplementation then, if your migraines are hormone related, logically your migraines would increase - has this happened? Many women find they develop migraines when they become peri menopausal due to these fluctuations and these often settle once deeper into post menopause - HRT will help these women avoid so many of these headaches.
You were prescribed a sequential HRT because you are peri menopausal, so you could have experienced migraines as the sequential HRT is designed to mimic the natural hormone cycle - sequential HRT is given through the peri and early post meno phase to prevent erratic bleeding from occurring. Transdermal HRT is usually prescribed for women who suffer migraines as the hormones do not go through the digestive systemic, as I believe this can be a migraine trigger. Unfortunately the combined HRT patches are medium dose and this would probably have been too high a dose at this stage in your meno journey.
Had your doctor understood that it was important you have a constant dose of hormones to help prevent the migraines, then they might have suggested having a Mirena fitted, which gives progesterone in lower doses more locally thereby reducing progesterone side effects, and you would then have a daily dose of oestrogen as either gel or patch. If your migraines do return with a vengeance (and they may not if they are not hormone related) and flushes and night sweats become a real problem, then I would suggest you discuss the option of the Mirena as this may give you the hormonal balance you require.
There is treatment to shut down you own hormones completely (Zoladex) but I'm not sure how successful this would be for you - I'm sure this would have been tried if you doctors had thought is appropriate.
I think you are right to have time without hormone supplementation at this stage and concentrate on lifestyle choices to see how things go. You may be surprised and sail through with few problems and your migraines may go away once you are in post meno. Do let us know how you get on. DG x
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Thankyou DG, your info has been very informative.
I can't remember having headaches during my pregnancies. With my first I was in rude health, positively bouncing. Not so with the second, he appeared on the scene very quickly after my first so I don't think my body was quite ready yet and my pregnancy symptoms were more 'normal'. Still don't remember headaches though.
Since he was born I've been more aware of my hormones and they've been bouncing around a bit for a while now. Was diagnosed peri about 3/4 years ago so has probably been going on longer than that. As I'm on the 'wait and see how it goes' watch with my gynaecologist the mirena is the first option, then HRT, then perhaps Zoladex (thanks for giving me a name for it), but happy to just keep healthy and eat well meantime. This is a very helpful and informative forum. Thanks.
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Again just soldiered on and regret my decision not to take HRT!
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>:( I don't do too well. Hi everyone I am new to the boards x so please be gentle lol. First started having peri menopausal symptoms around the age of 46 and by the time I was heading towards my 47th birthday and constant visits to the Doctors with the final visit going along the lines of.... "imagine tears, bags under the eyes larger than an ikea blue bag... I think you get the drift and the words "if you do not do something today, I think I may kill someone!!!" Then the Doctor finally succumbed to the fact that I was suffering pretty badly. So he prescribed my first script for HRT. Femoston 1/10. Well for the next 2 months I waited and waited for the Femoston to kick in. Eventually it did but it really only just took a bit of the edge of the horrendous sweats. Mood swings were still in full force, with various members of the family (mainly the husband) already scanning the exit doors when he could sense a full on meltdown occurring!!! and me acting like a person who had a complete personality split!!! I could not control the things that were coming out of my mouth and I hated everyone. I wanted to just lock myself away and hibernate until the dreaded M Passed over me!!! No such luck. Anyway headed back to the Doctor thinking this HRT malarkey is not all that it's cracked up to be. The Doctor who by this point had received further hormone test results back happily said I am going to increase the dose due to how much your hormone levels have dropped!! hurrah... so for 12 months I was prescribed Femoston 2/10. Well they did the trick. Within the space of around 3 weeks my face changed from Ninja Warrior to a more normal happy go lucky me.... the flushes - gone - night sweats gone..... sleep.... plenty and the ikea bags sent packing!!!!! but!!!! after regular visits to the Doctor for check ups my blood pressure decided to play silly buggers... it was sky high! Dr decided there and then no more!!!! I felt like someone had literally eaten the last piece of my birthday cake!!! I cried like a blubbering baby, begging the Doctor but it was no use. My Dr who doesn't mince his words basically said "If I continue to allow you to take HRT then you face the risk of dying due to a heart attack or Stroke". Wow!!! so tail between my legs I left the Dr's in a mess knowing what I was facing all over again.
Skip to a few more months and more regular BP checks. Dr then decides he will try me on HRT again but this time the patches. So I go armed with my new script of Evorel Conti patches and hey ho!!! within a week I again start to feel normal again.... Skip a few more months and the patches decide to start burning through my skin and marking me to the point that I felt Like I had been prodded like a horse on it's backside with a hot iron!!. Back to the Dr's I go....
Today I am back to where I started with the Femoston 1/10 patches. One week in and no let up as yet but!! I am hopeful oh God I am hopeful that this time the symptoms will subside so I can feel at least a little bit normal again.....
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Hi and welcome to MM Mushyjam49
Your story is not unusual. High blood pressure is not a reason to stop HRT as you can take blood pressure pills alongside HRT. HRT will protect your heart and bones for the long term so there is much to be gained from using HRT especially as you are still young.
I assume you are keeping your weight under control, eating a sensible diet and getting plenty of exercise? It's amazing how some small changes to lifestyle can reduce blood pressure and other health issues. Do try cutting out all caffeine and alcohol? If you are carrying a few too many pounds then cutting out as much sugar as you can and reducing portion size at meal times can work wonders. I find grabbing a small handful of cashew nuts mid morning curbs my hunger and stops me reaching for the comfort food. I love walking and this is really the best exercise but I also run up and down my stairs a lot through each day to deliberately get my heart pounding and strengthen my legs.
Was your blood pressure high before the HRT? Did you get high blood pressure during pregnancy (if you had children)? Did you ever take a BCP and did that make your blood pressure go up?
I'm not sure if or why HRT should make the blood pressure go up - one would think that if you are feeling less stressed and tired when on HRT then your blood pressure would be better????
You clearly need the slightly higher dose of HRT to control your symptms - I didn't get on with patches so you are not alone with this - we all have to find what works for us.
I do wonder if having a Mirena fitted and then use Oestrogel ( oestrogen in gel form you apply each day) alongside might work better for you?
Has your doctor prescribed anything for the blood pressure? Have you tried some Mindfulness and relaxation techniques to help bring the blood pressure down?
Read up all the info on this site to get really clued up - keep us posted. DG x
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Hi Dancinggirl, I was actually suffering with BP before HRT but with medication it was kept well under control, having good readings every time I visited - well I say good readings, ones that the Dr was happy with should I say. The Hypertension came as a bit of a surprise to be honest, but all those years of bad practice, ie; lifestyle choices does creep up on you and boy do you know about it!!! Bad diet, ex smoker, not really into alcohol to be honest and never put salt on food, but... the processed meals, meats etc have gradually taken their toll and I am now probably going to be on medication for the rest of my life with regards to the High Blood Pressure. I have made changes to my diet and lifestyle as much as I can that fits in around my busy work/life schedule but obviously the Weight gain is something that I have to manage. My Dr, you know the one that doesn't mince his words one lol.... he basically said you don't gain weight!! he says what happens is that due to everything slowing down etc your weight doesn't distribute itself as well as it used to.. like having a really good metabolism. It slows down so the weight actually just decides to plonk itself in one place... that place is usually the tummy, hips, etc. So you do have to incorporate at least 30 minutes exercise around 2-3 times a week. This is what I try to do, but the little happy tummy tyre seems really happy at the moment just sitting right where it is!!!
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Most of us can relate you your ‘tummy fat' issues -so common when memo hits.
It's well worth having a further look at the diet and really reducing the amount you eat. I'm afraid 30 minutes exercise 3 times a week is not enough to keep weight down and reduce the blood pressure - lots of brisk walking every day e.g. 10mins 3 times a day is recommended. If the hrt gets your sleep and flushes better, maybe you'll have the energy to do more physical stuff.
Keep us posted.
DG xxxx
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Dancinggirl I used to walk 2 miles every day for 5 days with my previous job but my new post is literally a 10 minute walk away so what I tend to do is walk to work and back and at lunch time a brisk walk home for a spot of lunch and a break away from my desk. Nowhere near enough I agree and I do love to walk. I am already looking at walking clubs in my area so I could possibly do some more walking with company which I really enjoy. A good head clearer too!! ;)
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That sounds good Mushy - you're clearly trying to do all the right things.
Everything gets so much harder when meno hits. DG x
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DG doesn't it just.... it just hits you so hard!! For me it felt like a loss.... I am sure you all understand where I am coming from here.... I questioned everything about myself, my life as a wife, lover, mother. All my nurturing and caring feelings seemed to just dissipate before my very eyes. I became bitter, angry.... so angry. Feelings of why the hell is this happening?? What is my role in life, in society... I became invisible.... I became introvert... much preferring being on my own with my own thoughts.... have I mentioned angry!!!... so bloody angry... my mind thinking some pretty awful things.... my poor Husband must have thought what the bloody hell is going on here!!! I couldn't help it.... Crying, shouting for no apparent reason, questioning myself, hating myself.... wow the emotional rollercoaster was sometimes so hard to bear.... fast forward a few years on and I am slowly, yes slowly becoming more accepting of my new self...it's such an uphill battle though..... phewwww exhausted just talking about it.... :o
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Hi folks,
I've just joined this forum - I have been trying to survive menopause without HRT - I've been using a mixture of verbena, borage and sage - this is a good mix for emotional support and is good for treating night sweats.
I feel that it has made a difference - sleeping better, less emotional and for sure far less night sweats. That said I have other symptoms and am now thinking about HRT as I'm not convinced that I'm getting the quality of life that I would like. However I am torn - with the herbs it is for sure soooo much better than it was this time last year, but could it be better? Is it worth trying HRT. I was against it due to cancer risk and other side effects but it's all relative - I don't smoke, and I exercise quite a bit so reasonably fit - hopefully that reduces my risk
For those who cant use HRT I would totally recommend trying herbs - however there are lots of different herbs and so think you will need to try a few different ones and dosage levels to see what works for you. You can also consult with herbalist specialists.
Good luck everyone - hope you can find something that works for you.
Doreen
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>:( I don't do too well. Hi everyone I am new to the boards x so please be gentle lol. First started having peri menopausal symptoms around the age of 46 and by the time I was heading towards my 47th birthday and constant visits to the Doctors with the final visit going along the lines of.... "imagine tears, bags under the eyes larger than an ikea blue bag... I think you get the drift and the words "if you do not do something today, I think I may kill someone!!!" Then the Doctor finally succumbed to the fact that I was suffering pretty badly. So he prescribed my first script for HRT. Femoston 1/10. Well for the next 2 months I waited and waited for the Femoston to kick in. Eventually it did but it really only just took a bit of the edge of the horrendous sweats. Mood swings were still in full force, with various members of the family (mainly the husband) already scanning the exit doors when he could sense a full on meltdown occurring!!! and me acting like a person who had a complete personality split!!! I could not control the things that were coming out of my mouth and I hated everyone. I wanted to just lock myself away and hibernate until the dreaded M Passed over me!!! No such luck. Anyway headed back to the Doctor thinking this HRT malarkey is not all that it's cracked up to be. The Doctor who by this point had received further hormone test results back happily said I am going to increase the dose due to how much your hormone levels have dropped!! hurrah... so for 12 months I was prescribed Femoston 2/10. Well they did the trick. Within the space of around 3 weeks my face changed from Ninja Warrior to a more normal happy go lucky me.... the flushes - gone - night sweats gone..... sleep.... plenty and the ikea bags sent packing!!!!! but!!!! after regular visits to the Doctor for check ups my blood pressure decided to play silly buggers... it was sky high! Dr decided there and then no more!!!! I felt like someone had literally eaten the last piece of my birthday cake!!! I cried like a blubbering baby, begging the Doctor but it was no use. My Dr who doesn't mince his words basically said "If I continue to allow you to take HRT then you face the risk of dying due to a heart attack or Stroke". Wow!!! so tail between my legs I left the Dr's in a mess knowing what I was facing all over again.
Skip to a few more months and more regular BP checks. Dr then decides he will try me on HRT again but this time the patches. So I go armed with my new script of Evorel Conti patches and hey ho!!! within a week I again start to feel normal again.... Skip a few more months and the patches decide to start burning through my skin and marking me to the point that I felt Like I had been prodded like a horse on it's backside with a hot iron!!. Back to the Dr's I go....
Today I am back to where I started with the Femoston 1/10 patches. One week in and no let up as yet but!! I am hopeful oh God I am hopeful that this time the symptoms will subside so I can feel at least a little bit normal again.....
This is just summing me up this now especially husband bit. I am newly married and I am feeling hopeless and as if I am letting him down. He says I am speaking to him really horrid and I dont even know I am doing it!!! I am not a hurtful person and would never intentionally hurt anyone especially him.
We recently moved house which meant I had to move doctors. My last doctor was fantastic and just got it. I am going to see my new doctor next week but way things normally pan out is come Tuesday I will feel more upbeat.
Just feel like I will never get this under control. Don't want to be around anyone and feel myself now avoiding people. I go to work everyday paint a face on it but inside my stomach is constantly in knots. Even thought of going for counselling :'(
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Bradenton69 aww lovely I really am with you honest. Listen don't give up hope. Keep us posted on how you get on at your new Docs. Hopefully you get an understanding one that listens and can relate. I really do feel for some women who do not get the support or understanding from their GP's it must be so frustrating. I find it quite inexcusable that in this day and age some GP's continue with the old fashioned methods of grin and bear it attitude... ridiculous!!! I digresss again I'm sorry just having one of my usual daily rants >:( >:(
Let us all know how you get on Bradenton69 xxx
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There have been two posts on this thread from a ‘guest' called silverlady. Both these posts are promoting compounded hormones. There is a section on this site that covers these compounded hormones and they are not recommended because there is no regulation for the production of these preparations and therefore they can carry risks. Compounded hormones are still HRT and this particular thread is for ladies to share their experiences WITHOUT ANY FORM OF HRT.
The information in these posts is also incorrect, as most prescribed HRT preparations contain bioidentical oestrogen - you do not have to go to an alternative practitioner to get bioidentical hormones, as they are available on the NHS.
DG x
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Well i managed not too bad for almost 10 yrs with the hot flushes. I did go through some bad spells where the flushes were very severe coming every 10 mins night and day but battled on.
Then, out of the blue, an anxiety came on me from nowhere. It just arrived with no reason at all, i had no reason to be anxious. Nothing in my life had changed but it became all consuming. I have no previous history of anxiety or depression and it just was so unusual. It affected my driving badly. I became obsessive about checking road position and mirrors all the time and i had a horrible gnawing ache in the pit of my stomach all the time.
It was about 18 months like that. My friend suggested it could be menopause related. My periods had stopped by now but i never stopped with the flushes.
My gp put me on femi conti. Within 3 weeks, the anxiety just lifted away. It was marvellous driving again so relaxed and totally back to my old self.
After 2 yrs feeling great, i started bleeding on femi conti. I had to have a biopsy. All was fine but they said i couldn't use that again.
So i went onto tridestra and felt great on that.
And now there is a supply problem on tridestra. So i am on indivina and my anxiety is back. Not as bad as before but definitely back again. And my flushes are back. And i have been bleeding on it.
So back to gp soon
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Bradenton69 aww lovely I really am with you honest. Listen don't give up hope. Keep us posted on how you get on at your new Docs. Hopefully you get an understanding one that listens and can relate. I really do feel for some women who do not get the support or understanding from their GP's it must be so frustrating. I find it quite inexcusable that in this day and age some GP's continue with the old fashioned methods of grin and bear it attitude... ridiculous!!! I digresss again I'm sorry just having one of my usual daily rants >:( >:(
Let us all know how you get on Bradenton69 xxx
Thanks for comments and sorry for delay in responding.
off to see GP this Friday. Hospital have advised that HRT isnt a great option for me due to endo and AD would really be the only solution. Not too sure what to do so alot of thinking to be done. Problem is you have a good day and you think yeh this is what its like to be normal and you wish every day same :)
xx
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Yes Jari, I used her book for years.
https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/books.php
Near the bottom of this page.
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So pleased to have found this thread.
I had awful hot flushes/ sweats. Took hrt which gave me horrendous panic attacks, palpitations etc. Came off it, these symptoms went. But, flushes returned.
I found a book “ natural solutions to menopause†by Marilyn Glenville.
I have a follow up at my gyn next week, as she wanted to give me a month off hrt to see if the palpitations etc were caused by hrt. They were. So, I decided I'd try the suggestions in this book during the month off before I see gyn.
I've been doing it now nearly 3 weeks. Can you believe, my hot flushes/sweats have gone. So have my aching feet. I hope it's not some coincidence but I can honestly say, her hormone balancing diet seems to be working. Definitely worth a try for anyone who doesn't want hrt. X
Are you still following the book now Jari? A friend has just given it to me to read and use. Hoping it will give me info and guidance to manage my symptoms. Health anxiety is my worst one I think as I ricochet from one “in my head†diagnosis to the next! Walking up our stairs one night last week I diagnosed myself with 2 serious illnesses, I kid you not, but then slept all night and fine in the morning 😊.
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Hi Ellen May
Sorry for this late reply, somehow I missed it.
I think the book is great to refer to. How are you getting on with it?
I am having hot flushes (about 2 a day) and night sweats, which are not too bad, more just feeling hot.
I feel like I have my symptoms under control quite a bit, because of following the book, diet, supplements, excercise etc... currently trying to lose some weight to see if that helps also. X
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Jules, Have you tried Yes Vaginal moisturisers? They come in little sealed applicators and have made such a difference to my VA.
Try it, I think you can get it on prescription on the NHS in the UK although I'm based in Norway
Donna
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Just a quickie, someone recommended the app, action for happiness.
Brilliant as it sends a daily affirmation.
Really is helping me to keep from blowing my top and my abusive partner would get so much satisfaction from me getting upset.
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thanks CC,
I'll check that out
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Hi, I'm new to the forum. I am 10 years post menopausal. I was on oral contraceptive until I was 48. i had a deep vein thrombosis and came off the pill. I was precipitated headlong into the menopause. It's likely the oestrogen in the pill was masking symptoms of peri menopause. So I suffered withdrawal from oestrogen and full menopausal symptoms at the same time. Hideous. I was also told by my doctor that I couldn't get HRT because of the DVT. Ten years on, the symptoms of the menopause continue unabated. Heat, anxiety, loss of confidence, memory problems, insomnia, depression. I was recently prescribed Tibolone and took it for four days. It made all the symptoms exponentially worse. i tried it again more recently with same results. I have been prescribed Femoston-Conti 0.5mg/2.5mg. Having read the contraindications I dare not take it. It very clearly states that previous DVT is a contraindication. What experience does anyone else have of HRT with previous DVT? Also, is it worth sticking with it, I am aware that 4 days is not enough to settle down with a new drug. But I won't take something that makes me feel worse, that's not the point of it at all. Especially with no guarantees that it will, in the long run, make me feel better. I have Zoplicone for insomnia, which I take half a tablet on nights I am still awake at midnight. It works fab and I don't have the hot sweats or the anxiety. My doctor is unwilling to prescribe much Zoplicone, but it seems to me to be an effective menopause treatment in itself and not contraindicated for DVT. I have to cry to get it. Seems extreme but I understand about the reduction in effectiveness over time. The way I use it draws out its usefulness, i.e. I don't take one every night. I sometimes take codeine 60mg for insomnia. It's not as effective as Zoplicone and has side effects that are undesirable.
Anyway, I'm interested in whether I should give the Femostan-conti a go, having had a contraindicated previous DVT 10 years ago. Thanks.
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Just an update since I posted last on this thread in July 2019.
Since then I am still keeping to a healthy balanced diet, good supplements, walking and outdoor activities regularly.
I have the odd hot flush but they are much less intense than before and don't worry me at all now.
So far so good... now 1 yr 7 months post menopause. X
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Hi Everyone,
I am worried that if I start HRT I won't be able to stop fearing that the symptoms will come back. My main symptoms are lethargy, dizzinness, low, anxiety and the odd night sweat and hot flush. My my concern is the emotional aspect of it and I am looking for a natural alternative to alleviate these horrible feelings. I am going to use Bach flower drops and see if it helps.
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Hello ladies
KarineT - good luck with your Bach Flower drops and let us know how you get on. There is a section on alternative treatments and you might find it useful to post there as well.
I am post meno and came off HRT ten months ago. I now have very few physical problems but the emotional symptoms are still troubling me. I agree that they are horrible feelings and you have my sympathy.
Wishing you well.
K.
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I am worried that if I start HRT I won't be able to stop fearing that the symptoms will come back. My main symptoms are lethargy, dizzinness, low, anxiety and the odd night sweat and hot flush. My my concern is the emotional aspect of it and I am looking for a natural alternative to alleviate these horrible feelings. I am going to use Bach flower drops and see if it helps.
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Did the drops work? I too worry about that. A lot. Can anyone give us any after experience of coming off HRT? Utrogesten , taken orally, is not agreeing with me physically, but when I asked about different HRT the doctor just gave me a prescription for anti depressants. I tried to come off the HRT this last week but have had a horrid migraine type headache since I started (which I have suffered from for the past couple of years) and from yesterday the hot sweats are starting to kick in as is the sadness and anxiety. I stood in the kitchen this morning and just cried...no reason. So, the patch has gone back on and I have taken the utrogesten and made an appointment to see a specialist. Would still rather not be on HRT but can't see an alternative if I want a happy and "normal" life.
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Hi Everyone,
I am worried that if I start HRT I won't be able to stop fearing that the symptoms will come back. My main symptoms are lethargy, dizzinness, low, anxiety and the odd night sweat and hot flush. My my concern is the emotional aspect of it and I am looking for a natural alternative to alleviate these horrible feelings. I am going to use Bach flower drops and see if it helps.
Hi there, I'm new here. I started peri in Oct 2012 and am still going through it (now 52). I never wanted to go on HRT and have been using different methods to deal with all the DOZENS of issues that have come up. The one that has helped me with emotional issues (and has done for many years) is Evening Primrose Oil. It has been a life saver. I don't take it all the time, just when I (or my Husband!) knows I'm going through one of those moments! You could try it and see if it helps.
Cheers
SG
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I'm not on hrt and new to all this 60 in jan but I'm so tired! Constantly, no energy at all is this normal? Thanks 😢
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Hi where does one get bio identical hormones?
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Hello JoanneF
I am no expert but I believe this term refers to Oestrogel, which you rub on your skin and is the oestrogen part of HRT and micronised progesterone otherwise known as Utrogestan which you can take orally or use vaginally.
I suggest you post your question again on another part of the forum where more ladies are likely to notice it.
Take care.
K
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Im 67 years old and was moaning the other day about my menopause muffin top belly which I’ve spent the last 10 years trying to get rid of ( I’m ex bodybuilding) plus many other symptoms I have caused by what I see as estrogen dominance along with other metabolic problems. My 40 year old daughter was absolutely gobsmacked that I was unable to be prescribed HRT by my GP. Why she kept asking why? I explained that there is supposedly more risk at my age of various cancers with hrt but I first asked when I turned 60 and got told NO and it’s been no no no ever since. She still cannot get her head around it. I clearly have estrogen dominance now which I’ve suspected for some time plus the obvious fact that I no longer produce progesterone and have only testosterone and estrogen going on. So which is more dangerous estrogen dominance or balanced hormones? Perhaps I don’t fully understand hrt but women who get breast cancer usually have an estrogen blocker prescribed as has my friend. So why am I left with my estrogen dominance over hrt being prescribed? I was prescribed estriol vaginally but the vaginally unfriendly applicators put me off in the end and I also stopped the testrol because I was just uncomfortable taking it only having a vaginal hormone.
This is my view. I am annoyed that I’m left like this.
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2 years post surgical menopause.
The game changer has been to be able to finally get to see a menopause specialist. I really had to fight for it.
Estrogen therapies are out of the question for me as I had cancer (now cured) which was estrogen sensitive.
Given that the lack of estrogen causes people to be more susceptible to Alzheimers, Osteoporosis and Heart Disease I am surprised that advice has been so hard to obtain, especially if you fall into the category of not being able to have HRT. It should be a standard thing for all women to be able to see a menopause specialist.
Things that have helped me through thus far have been:
Oily fish 2 times a week. (for the mind and heart)
Exercise
Collagen powder
Apple a day (for plaque formation prevention - Alzheimers website- can't remember which one but it was a specialized medical one)
A good quality multivitamin and mineral designed for women going through menopause.
Sometimes a small amount of seaweed (1g) to prevent cold sweats.
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Hi red elephants
Thanks for the tip about apples. Funny that I didn’t know this as I do intermittent fasting for Alzheimers (a year and a half now), as my mom has it. Others can read about it here-
https://www.google.co.za/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9254493/amp/An-apple-day-reduce-Alzheimers-risk-scientists-say.html
I have Atypical Ductal Hyperplasia (precursor to cancer) which is likely hormone sensitive, so sadly I’m going off HRT.
What collagen powder and seaweed do you buy?
I’m terrible with oily fish. I like salmon but it’s expensive in South Africa where I live. Basically I need to eat pilchards. :-\
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Hi. I'm a new member. Recently I suffered an unspecified Stroke. All my blood tests are normal, no blood clots issues, no cholesterol, I don't smoke nor drink. However I wanted to start with HRT because I started with symptoms of perimenopause but my GP can't prescribed me any type of HRT because of the unspecified Stroke I had. I'm frustrated because other options don't not protect me from Osteoporosis in the future, I struggle with my sleep, I'm getting Hot flashes, I'm struggling with my weight as well even though I have a good diet and I do cycling (well I stopped since I had my Stroke but soon I will go back to cycling). I don't believe in placebo therapies to deal with the root cause of my symptoms. (Supplements, massages, cognitive therapy because none of this can supply the hormones I need and I can't accept that the best option I have is to put up with it :'(
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Hello nanettepr and welcome to the forum.
It seems that your post was overlooked unfortunately. This can happen when people put their questions in one of the large subject categories so perhaps next time try posting your message in the main part of the forum where it is sure to be see by everyone.
I am sorry that you have had a stroke and I hope that your recovery is going well. It is a shame that your GP has ruled out HRT however if there is one thing that comes up time and time again on this site it's that GPs know very little about the menopause generally and HRT in particular. For this reason I suggest that you ask to be referred to an NHS menopause clinic or, if you can, become a patient of a private clinic. You may also want to look at the YouTube videos of Dr Louise Newson who runs a private clinic and offers Zoom appointments. She has said that just as doctors use thyroid replacement drugs to treat lHypothyroidism, they should also use HRT for the symptoms of the menopause. It is also possible that a specialist will have helped other women in your position.
I hope that you get the help that you need and please post an update when you can.
Take care.
K.
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I’m only on day four of taking Everol 50 and utrogestan 200mg a day for 14 days but my hot flashes and anxiety seem to be getting worse not better, is this normal? Am I expecting too much too soon?
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I started on patches in February and instantly found improvement and found the anxiety I had been experiencing was definitely reduced which was amazing. I got Covid at the beginning of August and unfortunately the anxiety seemed to increase again. Although it’s calmed down a bit again it’s still a bit tough to deal with. I have health anxiety and most days find myself overthinking every ache and pain I have which as you ladies will know varies from day to day. I’ve had bloods done and a recent smear test and all good but sometimes I can’t convince my brain of this.
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I’m only on day four of taking Everol 50 and utrogestan 200mg a day for 14 days but my hot flashes and anxiety seem to be getting worse not better, is this normal? Am I expecting too much too soon?
Sorry to hear they are getting worse.
I hope some more knowledgeable ladies can help you.
I have had a return of meno symptoms and I am 56, it started at 42, I am back on 100mcg, as I feel odd wearing summer vests walking down the street at this time of year.
I have not told my doctor, I got them privately, as they want to do a colonoscopy.
They did about 8 years ago, before I moved up to 100mcg, and the IBS went.
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I started on HRT patches in February and found it helped my anxiety and other physical symptoms almost immediately until in August I had Covid. Soon after this I could feel the anxiety creeping back in and my mind was racing with every ache and pain I experienced. I went back to thinking everything was sinister. I found myself back at the GP again asking for reassurance and had some bloods etc done. It’s taken a few weeks to calm down but do get episodes still and wonder if I need to ask to have HRT increased to support the health anxiety any thoughts ?
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I’m starting HRT today just waiting on doctor phoning to see what I’m starting on as there’s a shortage and she wants to make sure she can get an items before starting me on something! Was only diagnosed today, finally getting help…
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:welcomemm: welcome new members. Browse round the 'rooms' - make notes. Ask away.
Without HRT - so far, apart from requiring vaginal atrophy treatment I've been OK. Initially, 10 years ago, A few cold or hot flushes from nape to waist after my baths, along with intense itching down my back. Also my insteps itched, I would wake in the night with one heel scratching the other! Now I know that any itching is probably a movement in oestrogen levels . As well as a few aches and pains which I take 'nurofen' for as necessary.
When you get a prescription do put the product name/s into the search box and read the appropriate threads - make notes ;-). Let us know how you get on.
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I'm struggling with mood swings and the constant Tinnitus causing depression and fatigue. Brain fog has been bad too and some episodes of dissociation. I think that's been worse than the hot flushes and joint pain!
I didn't want to go on HRT due to family history of breast cancer and have made it this far (54 now symptoms started mid 40's) ...about 7-8 months without a period (for second time)
Used to use Capsiplex supplement for quick burst of energy to get through an appointment or workout but they no longer seem to sell it and I haven't found anything else that gave me the same burst of quick instant energy so haven't managed to exercise for ages now. Maybe why the joint pain and Tinnitus just seems to be getting worse I'm not sure???
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Hi ladies I started Peri about 4years ago and the biggest issue for me was anxiety particularly health anxiety which I had never experienced before. I eventually started on HRT which really helped apart from the odd spike here and there. Recently I’ve noticed I’m getting more spikes and also feeling nauseous in the morning which makes me think things have shifted again with my hormones. I’m currently also waiting to go back after a mammogram recalled, and as you can imagine this is doing the anxiety no favours at all. I’m hoping when this is complete this week and I am given a clean bill of health that I can focus on the anxiety and maybe the nausea will subside 💕
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Hello Trandall,
I dont think I suffered horrendous anxiety before peri, and it's only recently I think I have become more health fixated. I think the hormonal fluctuations can be so wild and symptoms appearing from out of the blue that anything ' new ' feeling can lead me to a sense of doom. Too much going on it feels overwhelming.
As you sense, peri fluctuates so it is hard to have stability on hrt as or hormones alter. Atm, I am doing good hrt wise.
Of course the mammogram recall has worried you, that's natural. Sensibly we all know it is unlikely to be anything, but the anxiety doesn't always allow us to feel that.
I wish you well on your appt. Let us know how you Get on and if it does indeed settle some anxiety symptoms. X
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Dear all ,
My name is Debbie I'm 52 and I've been Perimenopause since 2017 .
I still have periods , 3 weekly
I'm wondering if anyone can help ...?
Please bear with me it's a long story ..
In 2017 , completely out of the blue , I started getting , Anxious !! About nothing .. just odd feeling .(. I have had anxiety as a teenager but not really since ,)
Actually started at bingo , went to start a game and realised I'd. Forgot my glasses ..
And could feel this panic starting ..
Getting more annoyed with myself and I couldn't seem to control it ...THAT WAS THE START OF THIS HELL ...😞
Days went on , and things would panic me , .uneasy feeling ... Had no idea what was wrong ..
I started to think was going crazy ..I mean why is this happening, What's wrong with me ..,?
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I went into deep anxiety attacks and was told. Was having mental breakdown ....
I've been on antidepressants since age 24 , and occasionally had bad times ..but this was something else , dred fear , panic attacks , couldnt eat or sleep ... Life was hell ..
My meds was changed, but not once was perimenopause mentioned ... The new meds helped me sleep , and I improved very slowly ..
I kept searching the internet , why this would happen why I was feeling so odd , numb , anxious!! All time ..
I saw a article on menopause , ... Thought what that sounds like me ... Could I be going thro menopause?? ... I mean menopause is just hot flushes right ? .
I went drs so many times as was made to feel I was going mad ... No empathy at all ..and he said wasn't menopause I'm way too young..(.43)
At this point I decided , I will do this alone ..and never told anyone else how bad I was feeling again ..
I never in my life would of thought ... perimenopause could change me so much ..
I have always been so happy , calm confident and now I'm a shell of the girl I once was ...
The symptoms continued, but I learnt to live with them because I have NO CHOICE ....
Even writing this is making me anxious 🙈
I stopped seeing my friends , going out ..
Only saw close family ...and lived in my bubble , longing for me to come back one day ...
My daughter kept saying , try hrt ?...but it scared me so much .. I worry about everything and anything .. avoiding conversations if I think may makee feel slightly uneasy.and bring on attack...
Things slightly improved... But I was still so anxious all time .. till 8 pm then it seems to ease..
Last February, I decided to see Dr ...
I wasn't sure I would even start hrt , but got it to see my options ..
Finally , I plucked up the courage and put patch on ... And continued course for about 4 months when I noticed .. I don't feel as anxious? .
Let's not get ahead of my self .. it's early days ..
By last sept , I felt the best I'd felt in 6 years ..
And was so happy .....
My anxiety was still there , but was controlled.
I felt I was living again ..
But , Nov 23 ..... I started feel anxiety was creeping back but , I managed pull back and Christmas was good ...
2 weeks ago , it's started again. ..this awful feeling down bottom my tummy , can't concentrate, over powering worry xxx panic attacks ... .Doom ..
I've researched so much ...but I really don't know what to do ... Should I stick with the patches ..as I can feel it's a dip in my hormones.... I feel different ..
Or is there anything else I could try ..,?
I saw vagifem , maybe could help as I feel I need extra something ..
So sorry it's so long ...and if you have got this far I' thank you !!!
Any advice gratefully received xx
Hot flushes have started now too
Thanks
Much love to all of you
Debbie xxx
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Hi Debbie
Sorry to hear what you are going through, I can totally relate. My peri started at 38, I've been on HRT for over 7 years and last year things went down hill, I increased my Estrogel and the anxiety just got worse, having lots of panic attacks and crying all the time. Then I decreased my oestrogen and felt worse, so I finally decided to try patches instead. I'm only a few days in and I've just had another really bad panic attack. I have diazepam to get me through it but I'd rather not feel like this at all. All I can suggest is changing your dose or trying a different type of HRT. I can recommend vagifem, it's great for VA symptoms. Don't just put up with these symptoms, keep trying, even supplements and alternative therapies can be helpful.