Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => Personal Experiences => Topic started by: Dr. Heather Currie on January 23, 2007, 09:22:52 AM
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The loss of estrogen often causes changes in the vagina with dry, thin fragile tissues with less resistance to infection. This can lead to dryness, discomfort, irritation, discharge and sometimes slight bleeding. The outer lips can also become thin and cause discomfort even from friction on underwear. Sadly, many women put up with these symptoms in silence, often feeling too embarrassed to seek help or are unaware that treatments are available. If dryness is the main problem, vaginal moisturisers such as Replens, Sylk or Senselle can be used. To restore the tissues back to being supple, moist, sensitive and resistant to infection, then vaginal estrogen is extremely effective. This can be used in the form of vaginal tablets, pessary, cream or a ring. The tablets, pessaries and cream are applied every night for 2 weeks and then continued twice weekly, while the vaginal ring stays in place for 3 months. Because estrogen from these routes is low dose and is not absorbed significantly into the rest of the body, it can be used safely when normal HRT is not appropriate. Also, some women taking HRT find that they still have vaginal problems and it may be necessary to use vaginal estrogen in addition.
Tell us what you have found helpful.
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Oh Dr Currie,
If only I could remember where mine was, it has been so long since I needed it that I have forgotten! ;D ;D ;D
Lots of Love Pops xxx :peace::peace::peace:
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Ditto Pops!!!! :o :o :o :-\ :-\ :-\ :'( :'(
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Doc, i haven't had that YET. I think i will cross the bridge when i come to it.
hotflush :D
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More conversation with husband about taking more time, longer and more tender foreplay, sex in the bathtub, all have helped us.
Claire
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I've found the HRT has helped here (I'm taking Hormonin and Utrogestan - which is a natural progesterone) - but before that I used Sylk which really is excellent.
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Tell us what you have found helpful.
Like the aches and pains, this also comes and goes. The most helpful thing I have found is "Replens".
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I have been using Ovestin cream for 5 months. It was very effective at healing dry, bleeding tissue after a infection, but I am now wondering if the cream itself is irritating the urethra and causing bladder/urethra sensitivity.
I am leaving it off for a few weeks to see. :-\
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Not suffering from this - thankfully - just yet ;)
Even though I cant actually remember where mine is :o at the mo...................
Is this one of the definitive signs of the menopause?
Hugs MM (Angie) :hug:
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Hrt has done the trick here!Before that KY jelly was useful.I did find it quite bad before the hrt and a couple of times I was a bit stuck to my pants :-\(if you know what I mean)!I did notice the dryness starting a good few years ago and before my periods stopped had to stop using tampons as it was becoming a bit risky!Certainly amazing improvement with hrt.It was probably the first thing I noticed had changed when I started hrt,closely followed by flushes.
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Progress!!! I have switched to Vagifem and have been using it twice weekly now for almost 4 weeks. It is really making a difference and is so easy to use. I am certainly much more comfortable. :)
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Does any-one know if vaginal dryness lead to a slight touch of cystitis? Or could that be enthusiastic sex? I managed to ward off a slight feeling of needing to pee requently yesterday by drinking cranberry juice. Has anyon eelse noticed that?
Sue
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Dear SuzieQ,
I'm sure that it can make you more prone to infections. It hasn't happened to me yet but the dryness is bad enough. Cranberry juice or Lemon Barley are supposed to help this condition.
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Yes, it definitely does make you more prone to cystitis and infection as the dry skin can become fragile and easily irritated or damaged by sex or acidic urine etc....
Cranberry juice unfortunately upsets my bladder big time, but I drink plenty of water and have dried cranberries instead. A tip - use plenty of lubricant at intimate moments....
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Dear Scriv,
Thankyou for your advice with this delicate subject. ( Pardon the pun! )
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;) You are very welcome! I have had a rotten time with atrophy this past year and am only now beginning to feel things are getting better after much trial and error, mainly error! I never thought I would be facing these issues at 54..
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Thanks ladies - that helps a lot. I am OK now having drunk gallons of water for days and had a few glasses of cranberry juce. Yes we do use lubricant - maybe not enough though. Has anyone tried Replens or similar? Is there anything that can increase sensation too?
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Dear Scriv,
Thanks for giving me hope. I am 49 and also hadn't seen this coming at all. I don't seem to be experiencing some of the other symptoms that other ladies have had, for instance my periods are very light if they come at all. When I read about others having pain and flooding I wonder if I'm normal or do we just all suffer in different ways. I suppose we'll have to grin and bear it and hope that it all works out in the end - or is that bad phrasology!!
Dear SuziQ,
I have tried Replens but only in the mornings and not before bedtime. I felt that it was giving me a discharge that I would not have had and also I felt that I had to wear a panty liner every day which I normally wouldn't need. I'm going to try it again at night and hope that it does the trick. I'm not sure about increasing sensation though. Maybe some of the others with more experience in this symptom will be able to advise. Glad to hear you are feeling better.
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Has anyone heard of Zestra - an arousal cream/oil to help lubrication in " intimate moments" which also heightens arousal. I read about it in Good Housekeeping ( !) and wondered if it works???Might be helpful to some of us who find that the sensations we once enjoyed have become a bit dulled since the good old meno!
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Hi
Im finding this a little bit of a problem, been off HRT for 5 months. I'm useing a Lilets Inmate foam wash ( which is PH balanced and easy to us), I use this once or twice a day, then when I'm out or at work I use Femfresh wipes.
Sue
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omega 7 oil in a capsule worked immediately, taken orally, you can google for the info
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Dear Dotty,
I think I should have used your name. Did you mean that the Omega 7 worked immediately to help the dryness or were you referring to it helping with something else? :-\
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I would love an estrogen cream but without insurance what can one do? Someone send me some, I'm not kidding! :D
Replens has made it possible for us to be able to make love. But even with that sometimes I still have problems with a burny feeling, as if I have a yeast infection (but I don't).
I must look into the omega 7 oil. I thought there was only Omega 3 and Omega 6 oils....
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sadieblack,
i asked my doc about vitamin e suppository and he told me that the oestrogen treatment is quicker- if you do not have a doctor perhaps you could ask your pharmacist.
I have also read that if you increase the oil in your diet- a tablespoon a day might help.
toastie
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Toastie,
Here in the US there is nothing with estrogen that you can get without a prescription. Even if I got a prescription the cost of the cream would probably be too much.
For instance, the medicine I need for asthma costs $150 a month. Going to the doctor costs a minimum of $100. I can't afford it so have to hope that I'll get a sample from a friend or from someone who has insurance who gets it (Advair) but doesn't want to use it.
SIGH. Breathing is something I really feel is important! :P
I'm not "poor." I just happen to work for myself and make "too much money" to qualify for any thing at all.
I'm NOT going to stop working! I bought a house last year!
This country is crazy when it comes to health care (or lack of).
I will have to keep using Replens, which did help a lot. And I'll try the fish oil.
Sadie
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Hi Sadie,
I just wanted to mention to you that vitamin E suppositories are available without prescription- Dr Christiane Northrup mentions them in her book- and states that they can be very effective. I have also just read that studies show that vitamin E suppositories can be an effective substitute for oestrogen in the majority of women - I hope this is helpful to you - as I really sympathise with you .
toastie
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SusieQ,
You asked about Zestra- which i had not heard of til Craft mentioned it- I have been on a low doze oestrogen pessary to help with vaginal dryness- which solved that issue but did nothing for the low libido- when I saw Zestra here on sale in the shops in Holland- I decided to try it and it definitely helped me- so Thanks Craft!
toastie
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I am using Vagifem and so far so good after 11 days of using it every evening. Once I get to 15 days I then start using it just twice a week for the remainder of the 3 month course, so time will tell if it works, although I do already find I am not so dry or sore. I have been using KY but that does not seem to do anything for me these days, so I am looking for something else to use, any ideas ladies??
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I'm a bit paranoid about the whole chemical body burden thing, so products like replens and ky aren't really an option for me (they contain some pretty nasty chemicals). I read this really interesting article in the Times though, in Jennifer Deacon's column:
Q I suffer from vaginal soreness and wondered if aloe vera might be helpful. Could you suggest a natural vaginal lubricant for day-to-day use?
A I would not recommend using anything that was not specifically designed for this part of the body, as it is extremely sensitive. You could try Yes, a certified-organic intimate lubricant that contains aloe vera, which helps to soothe vaginal dryness. Used regularly, it can help restore moisture to vaginal tissue. It is a pure formula that is free from hormones, glycerine or sugar (which may trigger thrush outbreaks), skin irritants (such as grapefruit-seed extract or menthol) and chemicals (including parabens and glycols).
The water-based formula (£5.50 for 25ml, plus p&p; www.yesyesyes.org) contains organic aloe vera, flax extract (beneficial for the mucous membranes) and three plant-based gums – guar, locust bean and xanthan – all of which contribute to the velvety texture of this lubricant. There is also an oil-based formula (£5.50 for 25ml, as before) that contains cocoa and shea butter, sweet almond and sunflower oils, and vitamin E.
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/body_and_soul/article1824287.ece (http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/body_and_soul/article1824287.ece)
Suffice to say I swiftly ordered, and this stuff is actually really pleasant :)
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Hi Ladies - I really do think that the only things that actually work for vaginal dryness and soreness are the Oestrogen based preparations. I stupidly thought that as my lubrication is still working extremely well :-[ then I would escape the soreness but I have had one bout after another of bladder irritation and infection. This is caused by the fact that the vaginal skin has thinned and no amount of lubrication by replens, ky or any of the other products will restore the tissue. I have finally been prescribed Vagifem which will lead to a replenishing of the tissue and intend to start using it as soon as I have finished the antibiotics I am on for this current bout of cystitis. This has not been caused by :banana: this time but purely by the fact that the skin is so thin around the urethra that anything can trigger an attack.
Will report back once I have given vagifem a go :sunny:
Love Taz x :bounce:
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Oh Taz2 you poor thing . I've only suffered from "dryness" occasionally and it was VERY uncomfortable. Cystitis is something I'm all too familar with though. Hope the Vagifem stuff works for you.
take care , love Sarah b x
ps , that stuff jennie 464 mentioned sounds interesting :)
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I just had the WORST smear test of my life. Given that I had just discussed the menopause and my vaginal dryness with the nurse she's lucky I didn't pull out that speculum thing and beat her about the head with it. Ouch, ouch, ouch. Good job I don't have to go again for 5 years.
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Dear Sevenofnine,
I can sympathise with you there. I had the same experience a few months ago which wasn't very pleasant.
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Hi
Thanks to everybody for their input. I am new to MM and have been using KY for years but I have gotten to the stage that it does not stop me getting sore with some bleeding due to skin thinning I did not even realise that there were other products on the market. I am on HRT so I do not know wether I can use Vagifem however I will certainly look out for the other items mentioned. Thanks again
janneal
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I was terribly sore and dry so my GP gave me Vagifem, which I used every day for 15 days then after that twice a week for the remainder of the perscription, I am still on it twice a week for at least another 4 weeks, and it has certainly helped.
Today I purchased some Vielle lubrication as I have been finding Ky no longer works.
Has anyone else used Vielle and did it work for them?
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Im 26 and am on a course of Zoladex injections to treat endometriosis, which has put me into a temporary menopause. The symptoms came on fairly thick and fast, and I think the vaginal dryness was the most distressing - after 4 years of painful sex due to the endo, I was heartbroken when that pain went away but the soreness came :'(
My nurse prescribed me with Vagifem, but as it's an oestrogen it brought back my endo symptoms after 10 days (oestrogen aggravates endo, which is why they treat it with a "menopause"). Then I tried Replens, which was ok but didn't really do much for the sensitivity and had a lot of discharge with it so gave up on that. Had already tried KY and the durex lubricants, not had much luck with them. (It's kind of like pouring oil over tin foil - the foil will become slippery, but when stretched it'll just break).
Have invested in a set of "love eggs" to stimulate the area and increase blood flow, as this is supposed to help. I was using them to kind of massage in the Replens gel to see if this made it more effective, didn't seem to make much difference.
I read about inserting a vitamin E capsule to improve the elasticity, but also read that this might make one prone to infections as it upsets the natural flora of the area.
For the last 3 or 4 weeks I've been taking Dong Quai which has been fab! Sensitivity and natural lubrication have increased, and that feeling of being on the verge of cystitis has gone. I can't recommend it enough!! :clapping:
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Hi everyone,
I had dryness problems, plus frequent cystitis for about two years and used Sylk first of all. That was a help, but then I found a range called Bio-Fem, which is available in Boots and some other pharmacies. The range includes a vaginal moisturiser/lubricant, which is very good, but it also has a product called Active Gel and that is a stronger one which aims to combat infections. That is the one that really changed things for me. Both products are based on tea tree and I found that they tingle for a few moments when you put them on, but that passes quickly. Every time I felt that awful, draggy need-to-pee and need to pee now feeling I used the Active Gel and it seemed to stop it.
The good thing is that the dryness is much better than it was and so is the cystitis - I got so fed up with repeated courses of antibiotics. Cranberry juice, if you can take it, does help and if it is too strong or dry-tasting, you can dilute it half and half with water.
Best wishes
Perdita
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Hi Perdita - welcome to the forum - cranberry juice was recommended to me by my doc and I have found this info today http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_the_doctor/cystitiscranberry.shtml My own doc said that to be effective you have to take 125ml twice a day. The non-stick effect of the cranberries lasts for approximately 12 hours so by taking it twice a day you are covered 24/7 !!! :) She uses it herself and dilutes hers in lemonade as she hates the taste
I am currently using Vagifem for repeated urinary tract infections and have found this to be excellent. It has rejuvenated the tissues and also sorts out any dryness problem (though that's one symptom I havent got yet ::))
Love Taz x :bounce:
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Ladies i have read all your posts re vaginal dryness, i am now suffering this myself, and not sure what to try, is anyone.....58, been period free for 27months, not on HRT using anything they have found effective, if so would you please post, so i can give it a try..
x
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Dear Sevenofnine,
I can sympathise with you there. I had the same experience a few months ago which wasn't very pleasant.
libido been going don fo last 6 months but lt 2 very dry and painful inercourse in pain after and feelin of burning does anyone know if going to see gp worth it and which will be better cram or the dreaed hrt Gill
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Hi Gill. Welcome to the forum from me.
I have found that Vagifem is working wonders for me. You have to obtain it on prescription and it is a low dose of oestrogen and works by replenishing the tissues and increasing lubrication. Because the dose is so low it does not carry the risk of normal HRT but on the downside will not reduce any other meno symptoms. They are tiny pessaries which come preloaded in daily applicators which you place high in the vagina - one a night for two weeks then one twice a week for as long as the doc considers it necessary. My symptoms improved within a week of starting treatment. The pessaries are not messy at all as they stick to the wall of the vagina. I would say go and have a chat to your GP - you have nothing to lose apart from painful sex :hug:
Hope to hear more from you by the way.
Love Taz x :bounce:
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Hi Taz,
Snap think this vagifem is brill I have had the same results, can put up with the sweats to a degree, moods swings maybe not so much but the dryness and soreness was driving me mad >:( I finished the two weeks once nightly last week and have just to use them twice a week now for 10 weeks and then will see if I need more. Pity more GPs are not prescribing them it was my nurse practitioner who prescribed them for me!
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I went out and bought K Y Jelly in desperation! Fed up with this. I used to be the total opposite! It certainly puts me off! Going on holiday soon so this had better work!! >:(
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Tried Replens 2 tubes, but still not that much change in dryness :'(
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Izzie and Rosebush why don't you try and get the GP's to give you some Vagifem.
I just got some more today to use when I feel I need to ,they seem to have a lasting effect for a few months and as they are only pessaries and not taken by mouth, very little of the hormone gets into the blood stream but is delivered were it is needed.(see Taz's post above)
I have high BP so can not do the full HRT but I found these to be great at stopping the dryness and soreness.
Let us know how you get on
Pat
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Hi Ladies - yep, Vagifem certainly did it for me though I have now gone on proper HRT as so fed up with the rest of the meno symptoms. The dose is very small and once you have got the correct amount in your "system" you drop down the dosage to only once or twice a week. It made such a difference to me and stopped the frequent cystitis and need for constant antibiotics. I guess that its "swings and roundabouts" but, honestly, there seems to be no natural remedy to cure the dryness and soreness - the only way is to replace the oestrogen or give up on the :banana: side of life :'(
Love Taz x
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Taz how many tabs were you given on 1 script? I have to see our Practice nurse for blood tests on Friday, dont think she can do scripts though, so will have to book in to see Gp, which means waiting another 10days >:(
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Hi my Dr put me on Vagifem just over a week ago ,the improvement is so noticeable, had tried replens didn't do a thing Ky yuk so messy,so glad i went and saw the dr.
:ola: :bouncing:
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Thanks Taz,
I have to see my Gp on Friday morning for blood tests results, so will ask if he can prescribe some then, really hope he will..
Well done to all of you that are getting relief from this.. :-*
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My Gp has prescribed Estrilo pessaries, anyone else used these, i have to use 2 per week for a month then 1 per wk and see how i go..
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Hi Rosebush - I think that they are virtually the same as Vagifem. Have found this link for you http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100001954.html but it probably just says what is on the leaflet. I hope you have the same success as I did :banana: :banana:
Love Taz x
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Taz i would settle for 10% of your success. ;D ;D
Gp did say they were virtually the same, so fingers crossed..
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Well used 9 of these pessaries now and the first 7 made me feel like my skin was burning, not so bad with the last 2, dont like the messy feeling the day after though :(
Do vagifem sting as well when first used, also i am a bit worried about the mention of HRT in the instructions, but just need the dryness to go away.. :'(
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Can you use Vagifem etc if you are on HRT tablets? My bits and bobs are so sore and I feel like I have got thrush when I haven't so maybe it would help me and the throbbing feeling? OUCH all the time..... :-[ :-[
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Hi Rosebush - there is no messy feeling with Vagifem. The pessaries are so tiny and they stick to the inside wall of the vagina - way up the vagina, and are absorbed into the actual skin itself. If the ones you are using cause stinging you are allergic to one of the ingredients and should not use them. A small proportion of women using vagifem report a sensitivity to the product apparently but I have the most sensitive of skins (well I did have till I started HRT - another bonus - no more allergies) and had no problems at all.
2hot2often - I would not have thought that you could use vagifem as well as HRT as vagifem is a low dose of HRT in itself. You should not have sore bits! Have you been swabbed for another infection if your thrush test has come back negative or haven't you got that far yet?
Love Taz x
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Hi,
Copied from elsewhere on this site....
>>Hormone replacement therapy (HRT)
This is usually taken by mouth or as a skin patch and helps deal
with all oestrogen deficiency symptoms, including painful intercourse
caused by vaginal dryness. In some cases, HRT is not
enough to resolve the problem of painful intercourse. If this is
the case, the HRT and local oestrogen can be taken together
for greater effect.<<
Best Wishes
xx
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Hi Taz 2
I have had a gel from GP for BV and he says if soreness doesn't clear up by Tuesday get swab from practice Nurse. 2 days in and still very itchy so there will have to be amiracle cure I think! I find its getting me down and adding to the depression I seem to be suffering at the moment. GP suggested St Johns wort along with my HRT so I'll have to see if that makes a difference. One week I'm confident and happy next week have problems venturing out and coping with day to day things :( I haven't missed work as I am able to hide away in my own little office in and can avoid mixing with people on my very bad days. Thanks goodness I work with a very understanding 2 other people! LoveJ
soupdragon thanks for info maybe this will worth mentioning to Dr next visit if the Itchy bits not improved!
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Hi 2H2O - sorry that you are having a nasty time at the minute - am envious of you in your little office though as I am a Teaching Assistant in a tiny primary school (45 pupils) and, believe me, there is nowhere to hide!
Haven't you already had a swab done for BV? I only ask as GP's vary so much and mine wouldn't presecribe the gel you have been given until after the results had come back. Mind you she didn't agree with the gel either in the end and prescribed the tablets which, luckily, I didn't have many side effects from. Found this info http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068687/ but you have probably researched it a bit already.
Hope that you are not too sore today. It was the "smell" that got me down when I had it - felt so unclean all the time.
Love Taz x
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Hi everyone I am new to the forum and have been reading this post with avid interest. I'm sure that I read somewhere that olive oil can be used to improve dryness and replenish the tissues down there. Has anyone else heard this or have I dreamt it. I have recently come off HRT and suffering with vaginal dryness already,I am looking for a natural solution. KY doesn't really help as I find it dries up really quickly.
Liz
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I've had dryness since mid-20s, around the time my libedo upped and went :'( so we use KY jelly ........ [the Doctors have always told me that loss of libedo is caused by depression: they would never accept that it was causing my depression and that at certain times of the month I was rampent and wet .... ::) ]
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Hi,
Didn't cope with it at all. HRT was the only thing that gave relief from it. I tried KY Gel, but without success.
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I have just finished my 2 weeks on Vagifem and use it twice a week now for the next 10 weeks. The doc says I can go back on it when the symptoms return. Can anyone tell me how long it might take before the dryness returns ? It has taken 10 days for me to feel comfortable again and the feeling of impending cystitis to go.
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Sorry to be dim, but do I gather that you can't use Vagifem (which seems to be the clear winner in this discussion) if you're already on HRT? Or certain types of HRT? Or doesn't it matter?
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Hi Lindastan - I started off with Vagifem and was advised to continue using it until the HRT kicked in then there would be no need to use both. The doc was right and I stopped Vagifem within a week of using the HRT patches. The HRT has returned my vaginal state to before meno - and I suppose this is right as it is the reduction in oestrogen which causes the dryness.
Taz x
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Has anyone had bleeding after being on Vagifem for a couple of weeks? 2 days after I finished the every day dose I got cramps and then started a light period like bleeding. As I am now 55 and stopped my periods in Nov. I am assuming this is due to the effects of the Vagifem and not a retrurn of my periods as unlikely at my age.
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Sooz - i think that it is down as a side effect in the leaflet which comes with the drug. November is not long though to have been without periods - I went 10 months between, twice, before becoming regular again. I didn't have any bleeding but did experience period pains after two weeks. These disappeared by the fourth week and then I started HRT proper so can't give you any advice after that.
Have just found it on netdoctor - it says bleeding may occur but should be reported to your GP http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100002706.html
Love Taz x
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I found this site and this is the first time that I am hearing about symptons I have. I have just started Vagifem so we wait and see... but the mention by others of soreness, impending cystistis like discomfort, and all that, is almost a relief in itself!! These symptons are nothing new to me and have always been 'monthly/hormonal' related since before I was 20 - GPs didn't seem to take it seriously, until this latest one, so I have just put up with it, though I've learned to cope in one way and another.
Wendy
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Hi Wendy :welcomemm:
You will find lots of support here and lots of meno ladies who are going through similar symptoms as you are, so stick around and share your news and views.
Love,
Tricia :-* :-* :-*
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Like others I have had problems with soreness, pain and cystits feelings. I have seen a couple of Gynecologists and both say lack of oestrogen is probably the cause and prescribed Vagifem. Things have improved slightly after 5 months, however it has all flared up again, despite using the Vagifem 2 times a week. I don;t appear to be dry anymore and as I am not in a sexual relationship at the moment I cannot say if that would be uncomfortable.
Anybody had a similar problem with Vagifem not working after a while. I have had so many swobs and blood tests but all come back negative for infection of any kind so really confused. I feel as if I have ridden a bicycle for days on a saddle with no padding and have had the whole area waxed and the hairs are growing back all at the same time! All suggestions welcome as I am going cazy.
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Hi Slightlybonkers (only slightly?!! ;D)
I seem to remember when I was on Vagifem that the doc said that after a while on twice a week it would probably be necessary to up the dose again to every night before then dropping back to twice a week. Does it say anything in the instructions about this? It could be that your levels drop a little and need a "boost" before being maintained for a while on the lower dose.
Hope this helps.
taz
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I have been told to use it every night for 2 weeks then twice a week for 10 weeks. The doc said I was then to stay off it until symptoms returned and then I would start on the nightly dose again for the 2 weeks and reduce again. She said this may have to be for the rest of my life if things didn't settle down. I think maybe you need to go back to the full dose again.
Sooz
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Hi gals, sorry i haven't read all the pages on this thread so i don't know if this has been mentioned but i recently saw an advert for a product called Replens. Apparently it is like a pessary which you can insert and it lasts a few days. Anyone used this? I wondered if its any good. Thanks.
vianne x
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Thanks for your advice. I have got an appointment with the nurse on Friday and will discuss with her if she thinks I should up the doseage for a while. I know that any tests will not show either thrush or a bladder infection so it must be the good old menopause making things uncomfortable.
I have tried Replens in the past, and whilst it did make the internal parts feel better it did not do much for the external discomfort and pain so presume that the oestrogen is needed to work on the skin tissues. The stupid thing is when all is hunky dory down below it is almost impossible to remember just how horrid it is when it flares up - bit like toothache really.
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Vianne
I too tried Replens and like you it helped lots internally but it was the external tissues that it didn't help. Walking my dog was torture . That all changed when I persuaded the doc to let me try Vagifem. In 10 days I felt normal again. Agree it is only when it feels bad that you think you need help. When things improve, you find yourself thinking it was all your imagination. For me the vaginal discomfort is a pain I can't live with . It stops me concentrating on anything other than my bladder which then gets ultra sensitive. Fortunately I do not have any weakness there but sometimes I felt as though if I didn't get there fast I might leak. Hope this helps you make some decisions
Sooz
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Hi, I'm a new member and just wanted to say how helpful I have found this thread.
I had my last period at 44, went on HRT at 45, now I'm 48. The HRT had a good effect on my dreadful hot flushes, and I feel much better generally. However, HRT has had no effect at all on vaginal dryness/atrophy.
My problem is that I am due to have a smear test. I attended an appointment a few months ago, it was absolute torture, and the nurse was unable to complete the test. She did say something about seeing the doctor and getting some hormone treatment, but all I could think of was "not more hormones - I'm on HRT already!". My body kept going into spasms for the rest of the day. Prior to menopause, I had regular smear tests, and it was never a problem and never painful.
I've now had another letter from the doctor about having this test, and to add insult to injury the letter says that it is best to have the test "between Day 13 and Day 18 of your cycle". It's nearly 10 years since I could identify a mid-cycle! Anyway, I have been completely stressed out about this, and it's been a great help to read the messages on this thread, I will calm down now, and at least I will be able to talk to the doctor from a position of knowledge!
There's a lot said about post-menopausal women finding sex painful, and their vaginas becoming smaller, yet no-one seems to mention how these women are supposed to have smear tests! :)
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Hi Marina - from what I remember... I was on Vagifem for dryness and when I was prescribed HRT proper my GP did mention that if the dryness returned then I could continue to take Vagifem and should go back and see her for a new prescription. Now, with meno fog, I might just have got that wrong but it seems to be what I remember her saying... Fortunately for me the HRT also took care of the dryness and I stopped the Vagifem about a month after starting HRT with no ill-effects.
Good luck with your next trip to the doc armed with all of your knowledge ! :poke2: :poke2:
Love Taz x
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I started out using Vagifem and it worked ok but I still had to use replens in between dosages and I still felt discomfort and still burned after intercourse. My husband complained I still felt swollen and dry inside and didn't really want to have sex anymore because he knew it hurt me. After about 5 months I got tired of paying so much for something that wasn't working that well.
I called my Gyn and asked if there was something else I could take because my insurance didn't pay much and It cost me $36.75 a month. The Gyn wrote a new RX for Estrace Vaginal cream which cost me $30.00 a month (insurance still didn't pay much). I know you are saying that's not much of a saving why bother but oh my gosh Estrace has been a life saver. I insert about 1gm in the vagina every other night, I don't use replens and I think it helps my hot flashes eventhough they say it doesn't work that way. The best thing is, my husband says I finally feel normal again and wants to have sex all the time. I found that with the cream I can go 1 1/2 to almost 2 months on 1 tube of cream, which is saving me money. When I feel that my dosage isn't working at 100% I just up the dosage for a few times and I am back to speed. If Vagifem is working but not how you would like it to then by all means try Estrace Vaginal Cream it saved my life and my sex life..................
Cindy
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Hello everyone.
I'm also new to this forum and would welcome any advise from similar women in my position. I had the feeling that I completely lost my sex drive about a year ago. Although at that time I wasn't in a relationship and hadn't been for over a year! I am now seeing someone and Sunday night we actually got around (after a couple of months of passionate kissing,etc) to sleeping together. I wasn't prepared for the shock of having no lubrication!! It was like sandpaper and very painful and he felt it too, although he was very patient and gentle. So I thought that was a one off - you know nerves, etc. So when we did it again shortly after the first time (not bad for a 49 year old man!!) Lubrication improved, but it was still painful. Well, this morning I feel very sore and I have noticed that my vagina itself feels very tight. Usually it isn't like that. As if the walls may be inflamed? Has anyone experienced this before? Any input would be most welcome.
Many Thanks
PS i'm making an appointment at my GPs.
Janet
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Hi Janet - welcome to the forum.
I would say that you have got vaginal dryness caused by the lack of oestrogen - it's a pain in a lot of ways!! :bang: :beat:
Have a chat with your GP and if you are lucky enough to have a clued up one you may be prescribed Vagifem. This is a form of HRT which are tiny pellets. They are inserted high into the vagina, once a night for two weeks I think and then twice a week, and they are absorbed directly into the vaginal tissue. This will replenish the vagina and make sex comfortable once again. You may find that you get a bout of cystitis after sex. I had to take a low dose antibiotic each night to keep mine at bay until the Vagifem worked.
If you have time read the whole of this thread - each post may have something to offer.
Good luck with your new man and don't forget to be careful :safe: 49? He is a youngster and twice a night is the least you should expect! >:D
Love Taz x :)
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THanks, Taz
You seem to be very knowledgeable on this subject and I see that you have given advise many times in this forum. Bless you.
Your words have given me hope and I will tell the doctor to give me VagiFem as, reading the other posts, this seems to be the best there is, apart from going the HRT route, which I don't need as I don't suffer in any other way.
So, I'll let you all know how I get on with the medication. Have a lovely day!
Janetx
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Janet - I think it is knowledge borne out of desperation :sweatdrop: :stupid: :stretcher:
Hope you get the right treatment for you.
Taz x
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Welcome new members to our thread ......... KY is the tube of choice in this household ......... [when I can stay awake long enough ;) ]
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Ky is good as far as it goes(!) Pepper but once you get to the state that the vaginal tissues have become delicate and lost their "spring" then it doesn't really help :( and you need to "plump" the tissues back up.
Taz x
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Can Vagifem only be used if you are peri-meno, i have not had a period for 3yrs and when i asked my Gp for Vagifem, he advised using Estriol pessaries instead, which are so messy... :(
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Hi Rosebush - I think it can be used for post menopausal women as, after all, this is when we are most likely to be suffering the dryness. Have found this for you http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100002706.html and have also checked the Estriol link and the advice is identical for both products. They seem the same. The warnings are the same. Are the Estriol pessaries tiny or quite large. The Vagifem ones are really small and stick high up in the vagina - they don't come back down if you get my meaning - and are absorbed directly through the tissues.
Maybe your doc's practice gets a better deal over prescribing Estriol over Vagifem as, to be honest, there doesn't seem to be any difference between them.
Love Taz x
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Hi Janet :welcomemm:
Welcome to the forum, make yourself at home.
Love,
Tricia :-* :-* :-*
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Thxs Taz :) i will ask again for Vagifem, as Est pessaries are like huge bullets, i did cut them in half which helped with the messyness, but of course this halved the dosage so not as effective.. :'(
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I would try to get the Vagifem Rosebush - they are really small little tablets. Sounds like the Estriol ones are a nightmare. Honestly, there is no mess with Vagifem - there shouldn't really be a mess with any of them as they are not lubricants but work within the tissues themselves. Good luck.
Love Taz x
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Hi Everyone
And thank you Tricia for welcoming me. It's great that we are all connected by our menopausal issues. Wouldn't it have been great if we had this kind of forum when we were going through puberty and first love, etc!! ? ;D
I posted my first message a couple of days ago, before going to the doctor. I went yesterday and she actually asked me what medication I wanted!! So, obviously I said VagiFem and she prescribed it immediately, saying that it's such a change to have a patient who has taken the time to research her problems and to come up with a solution for her! The doctor told me that they are brilliant and work within a week.
I used the little tablets for the first time yesterday. I can honestly say that they are really small and sit very high up in the vagina and do not drop out nor do I have any kind of discharge. I am really excited at the prospect of not experiencing the awful dryness when we next "do" it (which won't be for a while cos of our teenage kids!) Roll on September and off to UNI!!. So, with that thought, I will leave you and I will report back on the results of the first time after using the Vagifem tablets.
Everyone here is so kind and thoughtful - we don't have to suffer in silence anymore.
Janet x
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That's great news Janet - hope it works for you as well as it worked for me ;)
Love Taz x
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Yeah !!!! got Vagifem off my Gp today, he wanted to push Estriol again, but told him they did not work, he said lots of ladies have had success with them , but again i insisted they did not work for me, so he looked up Vagifem and gave me a script for them, have to go back in 6wks..another follow breast check.. and he wants to know how i get on with the Vagifem.... :)
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:ola: :ola: :ola: Well done Rosebush for standing up to your GP to get the prescription you wanted. I hope that it works for you as well as it worked for me :banana: :banana:
Love Taz x :)
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So do i... ;)
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I've only ever tried vagifem as prescibed by Doc Heather, SHE IS GREAT... 8)
Dryness wasnt my first noticable problem...but it was beginning to be...It was the bladder ,I couldnt understand why i couldnt hold on for longer when i needed to go to the loo..!!! This wee pill has worked wonders, cured bladder and has made time with my hubby more comfortable....when i can stay awake.... ;D ;D ::)
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i never herd of vagifem before. can they be bought over the counter or are they on prescription only.
think i might be embaressed to ask GP about these :P the joys of a male doc.
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Prescription only I believe Charlie.
Can you not ask to see a female doctor if you are embarrased. I only ever see a female one when it comes to those sort of problems.
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just a question does KY jelly not do the same thing??
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where you from cazkins?
Here i can only see my gp. he is great but i think i might go a slight shade of red discussing this!!
I could change gp completly but i am with him now for ages and all our family use him.
lol i dont know why i am worried bout vag. dryness as i am not even on speaking terms with DH :vibe:
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Charlie...when i was in local health shop i enquired about ..i think horny goats weed... it was on the counter and i was curious,she said the best `lube` you could get was to have sex regular... ::)
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nah! madmaria think i will stick with the wine.... less bother ;)
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Yeah ,OH is now snoring and hes left the bl***Y CD player on
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ok night all
going to bed now
oh but first i must double lock the front door!!!!!! :-*
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you go girl...night ;D
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Hi Gilly
A big welcome to the forum from me :welcomemm:
Someone will soon be along who has used Omega 7 and in the meantime have a browse and join in.
Luv Jax x :worm:
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Hi Gilly,
I used these for a few months but unfortunately they didn't help me at all.
Ellen xx
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One book I read suggested vitamin E oil capsules regularly inserted into the vagina. I know these can have amazing effects as I once pierced one and placed it on a burn that elderly mother in law had suffered. It did heal very quickly and without a scar. Might be worth a try and for short term have you tried sylk.
Jacksfullofaces
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Hi JFF,
I haven't tried sylk but have ordered and received Bio-Fem to-day - fingers crossed.
Ellen xx
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Ellen
fingers and toes crossed
Jacksfullofaces
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I've been ok with this till now :'(
I'm already on hrt which will be reviewed soon but I'm wondering if it's possible to have vagifem as well as hrt?
Micki x
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My GP said that she didn't think I would need it but that I could take both if necessary. Hope yours says the same :sunny:
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Hello Again, Everyone!!
I posted on 28 Aug saying that I had just got vagifem from my doctor because of my dryness. Well, I can tell you all that 3 weeks later (and a lot of fun later!!!) they have worked really well and he noticed the difference. I didn't tell him about them though! Probably early days and TOO much information. ANyway had the desired effect.
What I did notice though, during the two weeks when you have to insert one a day, is that I had a dry mouth and a slight increase in appetite - an empty stomach feeling. I also noticed that my mood's changed and I have a lot more energy - don't know if that's the vagifem or the regular sex life!! But those (other) symptoms have gone now, now that I only take 2 per week. By the way my doctor hasn't given me enough tablets - only 20 so now I have to go and get more. Wouldn't want the sand paper tunnel to come back again! Cos that's how it felt before the vagifem!!! :-\.
So, my biggest and most humble thanks to this forum for introducing me to this great medication. It has been a lifesaver in so many ways.
Janet xxx
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JNF i can relate to the sand paper bit, but the tunnel... now thats something else ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I have found this thread REALLY interesting and helpful as I can relate to what some ladies have been experiencing, especially the burning sensation in side the vagina prior to taking Vagifem..
I am 52 and have been on Vagifem now for about 3-4 months and it has improved my dryness and bladder problems significantly. My 28 day cycle is quite erratic now and ranges from 39 days to 90 days.
I have noticed that since I have been taking Vagifem I am experiencing more tenderness in my breasts (when I have a period). I also have an aching pain in my ovaries which starts around 6 days before my period and lasts till a few days after. I always put these symptoms down to ovulation - I am however confused whether these 2 symptoms seem more intense due to the menopause or the Vagifem !!!
Anyone else suffered this?
If anyone has concerns about taking Vagifem, I was discussing a repeat prescription with my doctor and she said that I might like to experiment with the dosage as she had found that some of her patients had cut down the dose from 2 a week to 1 a week and then 1 every other week. I cut mine down to 1 every other week but found that some of my symptoms returned so I increased it again to 1 a week. She said that you have to find the right dose for YOU.
Rebecca
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I first contacted your site because I was 59, with no menopausal symptoms ..... was there anyone else out there like me ?
Sadly, events have overtaken me.
I was diagnosed with 100% oestrogen positive breast cancer on 3.6.08. I've had various surgeries, including Oophorectomy .... (removal of ovaries) ..... in order that my body can become an oestrogen-free zone.
So, now I have all the menopausal symptoms in excess ..... with no possibly of taking HRT or any oestrogen supplements of any kind.
First is a question ... is there anything I can use for vaginial dryness that isn't oestrogen related or based .........
Similarly, I'm suffering very badly from hot flushes .... not helped by a course of radiotherapy and an initial course of Tamoxifen taken prior to oophorectomy.
Now, I am prescribed Arimidex which disables the enzyme that enables one to make oestrogen ...... I'm promised, osteoporosis and various aches and pains. The only effective help is loadbearing exercises .... not the easiest thing when one has painful joints.
So, ladies ..... no matter how bad ....... believe me, it can be worse.
Maybe, I'm asking the question on the wrong site, but any one got any ideas about non-oestrogen based solutions to ease things a bit ?
was Sadbutnotcrushed .... now fairly crushed ... but only for the moment.
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Hi
What an awful experience for you. I can recommend sylk for vaginal dryness. It feels very natural and pleasant. I also read that opening a vitamin E capsule and puting the contents into the vagina can help with atrophy and dryness. Re herbal suggestions I have found Menopace helpful and Red Clover. 5HTP is excellent for mood swings but check that it doesn't clash with any medications eg anti depressants you are on.I suffer from EDS so load bearing exercises are out for me. I suggest that you try swimming and maybe talk to your doctor about seeing a physiotherapist.
Hope that is of slight help
Jacksfullofaces
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Have just started Vagifem am still on one every day for 2weeks. For the last week have noticed a darkred/brown discharge on toilet paper when have been for a wee! Anyone else suffer with this?
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Orion i have only been using Vagifem for a short while, but like Taz i have not suffered this side effect yet!.. :-\
I will post though if it does occur..
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Thanks Taz, did read the leaflet but wasnt sure if it should happen all the time
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hi i have just been put on vegifem by my doctor
wish me luck girls lol !!!!!!!!!
love cheesed off
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Am really pleased for you Cheesed Off - let us know how quickly it works. Mine was working by the end of the first week.
Love Taz x
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hi thanks taz, theres one thing thats bothering me is and i dont now what the doc told you to do is on the leaflet inside the pack says 1 for 2 weeks then 1 twice a week for 10 wks then see doctor , but on the box where they print your name and dose etc it says use twice weekly bit confused !
love cheesed off xx
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My doc gave me the same instructions as on the leaflet - one a night for two weeks then one twice a week for the next 10 weeks before having to go back for a further prescription. How many have you got in your pack? It could be that your "problems" were not as far advanced as mine and you are being started on as low a dose as possible.
Love Taz x
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hi taz ,got 15 in pack , 25 micrograms
love cheesed off xx
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I had 40 in mine so it does seem that the doc has decided how much you need. I would say give it a go as per the instructions on the printed label and if it doesn't make any difference within a couple of weeks then go back and see the doc saying that you need to use it more often.
Love Taz x
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:thankyou: taz
love cheesed off xxx
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I have searched all over the different sites and all of them say 1 a night for 2 weeks to get enough into your system then to drop back to one twice a week for 10 weeks. After 10 weeks you may then need to go back up to 1 a night for another two weeks.
If you don't get the results you need pretty quickly then I would definitely go back to the GP. Maybe they are cutting costs by prescribing less - I sound cynical but you never know :)
Love taz x
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We've just put a movie online on this subject.
direct link: here (http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/audio/drynesstherapy2.wmv)
It's on the podcasts page (link at the top of the page) and also on the green side menu under:
What is HRT?/Vaginal dryness treatments.
It's a 5 minute movie (wmv file, 10Mb).
Entitled "Breaking the silence" and it deals with the common menopausal problem of vaginal atrophy and its treatment. Dr.Currie does the voice-over in the middle of it.
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hi just had a chat with my doctor ,and she said that to use twice a week because it may cause irritation in some cases,but can do as leaflet if i like
hopefully all sorted now !!!!!!!!! thanks again taz
just seen the movie thanks
love cheesed off xx
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My Gp told me also to use 1 twice a week, i got 15tabs @ 25mcg..Had to push for these, so hope i can get a repeat prescription.. :-\
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i have asked to be on repeat prescription. and she has put me on it but i have to go back to see her in 4 weeks
good luck with your doc rosebush :)
love cheesed off xx
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Godo movie rik - I am trying to spread the word as you may have noticed :)
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Excellent movie Rik
Thanks
Jacksfullofaces
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Hi girls
I joined the forum yesterday mainly to get help on this very topic so I thought I'd better tell my story here. Already, having read through everybody else's stories, I feel a bit better. I don't feel so totally alone with this damned thing. Thanks everyone!
Right, here goes - it's a long story - apologies in advance...oh, before I start I should say that I'm 50, definitely through the menopause and that I have been a widow for years.
It started back in June, when out of the blue I got a brief sharp pain when I went to the loo. Hadn't had cystitis in 25 years and it didn't feel quite like it anyway. It felt more as if i had a scratch or something 'down below' which was being burned as the urine passed across it. Anyway, after panicking for an hour or two, I went out and bought a cystitis remedy. The brief burning pains went in a day or two but I began to feel more generalized discomfort spreading up right over my abdominal area. I decided after a few days that I had to see a doctor about it. I told her my symtoms, that it didn't feel like classic cystitis. I also told her that I was post-menopausal and that I wondered if it was related to that. She didn't even examine me and reached for the prescription pad without further ado - antibiotics for a urinary infection.
Of course, they didn't fix the problem. She had told me that if I still felt bad in 48 hours I was to go back. Of course, 48 hours took us into the weekend, when the surgery was closed, so when I still felt awful, I had to go to the out-of-hours surgery at the hospital. Saw another doctor. She was very nice, examined me this time, and gave me more specific antibiotics, despite the fact that I was not having any of the usual cystitis symptoms. These had no effect either.
So a week or two later I was back at the surgery with another doctor - she was lovely, very sympathetic. I told her about the stress I was feeling under. She took urine to be tested and said she'd look into counselling for me. Went back the next week - tests were clear. I must have been feeling a bit better because she sent me away with the name of a counsellor but nothing else. I mentioned to her again that I thought it was hormonal and related to my menopause. I even asked her about an oestrogen cream but I got nowhere. Didn't feel strong enough to force it.
By this time I had stopped wearing jeans because of the discomfort. Sitting down was uncomfortable - well, you all know what it feels like. Eventually, I got up one morning and decided I was going to go to a fourth GP, this time to one that I knew quite well - she was the same age as me and she knew a bit about my circumstances. I told her my symptoms and she immediately asked - when was your last period? The relief! She sent me home with OrthoGynol, an oestrogen cream. I couldn't believe it, after two months of misery and worry.
Now I did something stupid -when I opened the box, the warning sheet inside was so frightening that I didn't give myself a full dose. I used it every night but only half or less of the dose - what an idiot!. ANyway, I felt a bit better after the first fortnight and began to lessen the frequency. Unfortunately, the doctor hadn't been very specific about how long I could use it, so I was always desperately trying to cut down. Consequently, I found myself two months on and feeling as bad as ever. So I went back to the doctor yesterday (another one again) - this time with a list of questions. She explained that I could use it intermittently for as long as I needed, that I probably had never given myself a proper dose and that it would be quite all right to go back to once a night for a week and see how things go, also that yes, it was possible to recover from this and that I wouldn't be stuck like this for ever.
As soon as I got back I searched online until I found this wonderful place. Now I know I'm not alone, I'm not weird (at least not because I have vaginal dryness ;)), and that there are real women out there who have got better.
I know I've rambled on here but I thought it might be useful to tell my story. I'm really annoyed that three doctors didn't even think of vaginal dryness even though I stressed my menopausal state, that I went through two pointless doses of antibiotics and months of discomfort. The person I'm really annoyed with though is the nurse who did my smear a year ago. It was agony (never been like that before) and I made some joke about having healed over through lack of use. "Oh no" she said "it'll be because of the menopause". But she didn't say anything else - no suggestion about what I could do about it. I can only assume that because I was a widow she thought I didn't need a functioning vagina. If she had picked up on my pain then, I could have been sorted before any of this happened - it makes me absolutely mad.
Thanks for listening girls - I hope I can help if anyone else is feeling grotty. :)
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You have a right to be mad. Counselling for lack of oestrogen ::) where do they get these half witted doctors from. Those leaflets have to list every conceivable scenario just for legal reasons. If just one person had an itchy big toe while taking the medication it would be printed in bold black writing to warn the patient that this was a side effect ;D
It really should have been elementary to any doctor that given your age and status that atrophy of the vagina was causing the problem and considering the current trend not to prescribe antibiotics I'm surprised you were not given a thorough pelvic examination by the doctor to check that you hadn't suffered a small tear.
I'm fortunate enough to have a first rate GP but I find men more sympathetic towards female hormone troubles then female medics.
Jacksfullofaces
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Thanks Jacks - maybe I'll go to a male doctor next time!
I'm three days into using the oestrogen cream but I'm still feeling pretty grotty. Please tell me someone that this is normal, that it takes the full week for things to settle down. I'm trying to be calm and not think about it but it is so hard to concentrate on anything with this damn thing. :(
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I have been using Ovestin cream for 5 months. It was very effective at healing dry, bleeding tissue after a infection, but I am now wondering if the cream itself is irritating the urethra and causing bladder/urethra sensitivity.
I am leaving it off for a few weeks to see. :-\
Scriv
You posted this message a while ago now - but being in exactly the same situation myself now with the identical ceam I am also thinking that it may be the cream that is causing my urethra /bladder sensitivity. I am very sore down there and went to the loo last night 3 times!! I have had tests for thrush and urine sample have allcome back with no infection.
My doctor advises me to still apply the cream as she thinks that it was the dryness that caused this flare up after sex in the first place - but I am desperate now to stop being so uncomfortable (have had it 5 weeks now and finding it unbearable) - did you find that stopping the cream for a while helped? Thanks
Rebecca
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Hi everybody *Waves
Have been reading this forum for a while and just registered.
Can't believe that I'm about to discuss with strangers something that I can't even broach with my best friend...
I consider myself quite body aware and used to be a nurse, but I was really flummoxed when the menopause hit with a bang, literally overnight at age 45
One day all normal, the next day 20 hot flushes on 90 minutes (I counted!)
For family health reasons I decided not to go on systemic HRT and see how i coped.
Five years on and hot flushes are manageable, but the dryness....
OH and i dont really have much sex. TBH it always been me who is much keener than him, but we actually have a very warm and loving relationship (with the very occasional bit of bedroom action)
I really didn't register the first couple of times that the dryness was a meno prob, just thought that I maybe wasn't as much in the mood as I thought.
Tried external lube then upgraded to internal (Feminee - not bad but actually provides so much lube that you feel like you're sloshing around :o)
no problem with itching or infections, but do find dryness causes a bit of discomfort outside the bedroom too.
Anyhoo...
Thanks to all your great info on here, I thought I would take myself to GP and chat about Vagifem, and came home with a couple of months supply.
Popped the first one last night (how wasteful is that packaging? :-\)
So I have two questions...
How long do I wait to see any benefit? Don't want to rush in before everything is ready.... That would only put us both for another 6 months!
Anybody's else OH worried about putting their willy into an environment with topical osetrogen hanging around? Bless him, he's convinced that using moisturiser could turn him into a woman.... I know he'll worry that he'll absorb some of my Vagifem and we'll end up as two girls together!
Wow: great to get that off my chest!
Be gentle with this poor frustrated newbie
Ta
mimi
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Hi Mimi
Welcome to the forum from me :welcomemm:
I don't suffer with vaginal dryness myself so I'm no help to you there. One of the other ladies will soon be along to give you some advice. No need to be embarrassed by the way....we discuss a multitude of topics here and even have a few laughs along the way ;D
Luv Jax x :worm:
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Hi Mimi
and welcome :)
I use Ovestin cream with an applicator for vaginal dryness. However I admit to pushing dh out of bed for a quick wash after any action just to be on the safe side.I did read that otherwise exposure to topical oestrogens could cause a guy to develop boobs. In my case the cream started to work very quickly and I noticed the difference within about five days.
Jacksfullofaces xx
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Been reading this long thread and I feel so much happier. I have been in pain with vaginal dryness for a while now but this last week has got really bad. Have had a urine test and vaginal swab as I thought it might be urine infection/thrush. Both came back negative so doc prescribed me an oestrogen cream. Just taken first dose and hope it works really soon as the pain and general discomfort are really getting me down. Was made redundant on Monday which hasn't helped the stress levels! Cant take full HRT as had a DVT last year so hope this cream does the trick. As always the help and advice on these pages and the feeling of not being alone in having the problem has made me feel better about the world. xx
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Hi every1
I found this forum by fluke and am absolutely delighted that so many other people share similar problems as me. I am 50 and my last period was beg June last year, previous to that it was April. I have been suffering with hot flushes for more years than I care to remember but they have really increased during the past few months. I have tried loads of natural remedies and they all seem to work until my body gets used to them, then I'm back to where I started.
It is such a relief (of sorts) to read that all my ailments ie flushes, weight gain, lethargy, joint pain & sore dry vagina area can be attributed to the dreaded meno.
I also found out a couple of years ago that I have an intollerance to wheat and tomatoes, causing migraine. I was convinced (until finding this forum) that the soreness and dryness down below which I am also suffering from, was caused by eating tomatoes as I don't have these symptoms all the time and have been trying out tomatoes again lately, to no avail... as I have been struck with a migraine today. I have now decided that my soreness isn't due to my intollerance or to my OH (as he's often had the blame).
I am so tempted to go to my GP (I was on my way today until the migraine hit) but my problem is that we have been living in Italy for the past 2 years and although my Italian is OKish I'm not sure I would be able to get these remedies here? Would like to have a try at Vagifem if I can get hold of any.
Does meno affect migraine does any1 know as I haven't had one for over 2 years but have had 3 (counting today's strike) since Dec.
I would like to add that I used to be a constant sufferrer of cystitis but since 1991 have been taking cranberry juice and that was the end of it... until now as none of the supermarkets sell cranberry juice here in Italy, so I have to made do with the capsules which are not as efficient.
Feeling very fed up & looking forward to a few replies.
CARTS x
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Hi Carts
Wow, its a tough call to be suffering vaginal dryness and then have to explain that in Italian! I think you are going to have to try and get hold of something to help relieve the symptoms. Go to the docs (take a dictionary) and ask for Vagifem. Its a known brand so maybe you'll be able to get hold of it or the Italian equivalent. Let us know how you get on .... x
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oo do you think its like scotsmen and their kilts ::)
I am new to this page. read everything cryed at some of them know the feelings well, have suffered all of them at various times over the last five years. Nobody has mentioned the itching that accompanys this problem. I am totally red raw inside and sometimes outside. I have used everything you mention sometimes it works sometimes, but more often than not it dosent. But the itching keeps me awake or wakes me up, It can be anywhere on my body but it is usually localized, and when I have used the vagifem I get totally wet through. my dr thinks this is urine but its not, and I have no infection or awful smells, but because I am so wet I get sore and there goes the itching again. I cant even wipe myself comfortably. It's driving me crazy. Plus I feel that no matter who I see Dr or Speciallist it's a waste of time. :'(
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Hi Codge and welcome. I am glad you are realising that you are not alone - plenty of us here coping with similar symptoms.
I dont have experience of the itching, but I remember the first time I went to a health shop to ask about meno and supplements, one of the things that was mentioned was the dryness that can develop through the body at meno time - it could be dry eyes, dry skin, or as you are suffering with internal dryness!! The person I spoke to in the shop recommended Omega 7, which I have heard several of the other ladies on here mention. The itching is often caused because the skin/tissues are drying out. It may be worth a try. In the meantime, I am sure someone with the same experience as you will come along and offer more advise.
Love Yogini xxxxxxxxxxx
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Hello again thank you for your reply. I would like to tell you about my experience's of not been taken seriously, I have been suffering for 5 years, it started on my 50th birthday with hot flushes, no problem, just put up with it, then it got a lot worse could'nt sleep, and the heat under my boobs was at furnace temperatures. Then I started to feel a real stinging sensation every time I moved, I was working away at the time so visited a VD clinic, and just by chance a lady Dr heard my conversation she suggested that it was psorasis so off I went, with my cream. But I had actually ripped the skin on my outer lips, It took years litterally to heal. Every three mths I came home to my own Gp, and she sent me to a specialist, he took me in and did a biopsy nothing wrong with my come back in a year, I had smear tests internals the lot, nothing showed, then I wouldent let anyone anywhere near me. I can't tell you how many Dr's I have seen, I gve up the job eventually, now I just see the one Dr. and when I go to the hospital I still have to see who ever is on duty not the specalist I was refered to, and I am not been funny but they only seem to guess at the problem. I have found many creams lotions and potions that have helped for a short time, and some times I wonder if certain foods, or time of the month affect how sore I am, I am on HRT, and I use vagifem and replens and ovestin.
Over the last five years I have probably had intercourse about 5 times, and even then I have bleed afterwards every time. My husband is very long suffering, but he hates to touch me incase he hurts me more. Fortunately we do still have a sex life, and we are a happy couple I dread to think what would have happened had I been with a different man. I still keep going to the Dr. but hold out no hope of ever feeling comfortable again, plus Ifind it really difficult not to be iching all the time. MY only saving grace is that I will never allow my self to get depressed, I probably feel that if I did I would never get over it. So I will go of for another good cry now and try to forget all about it again. thanks for been there and letting my rant on xxxxx :thankyou:
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Hi codge - you poor thing :hug: Your last five years have been horrendous.
I have had vaginal dryness for eight months but mainly on the inside, so that I feel sensitive, and sometimes burning in my abdomen. I haven't had much itching on the outside.
You said that Vagifem made you really wet. One of the other girls had the same thing - I remember reading about it. Might be worth talking to her and see if she's found any other solutions.
I'm using OVestin, which is helping a bit but certainly not curing it. I'm now trying alternative therapies - homeopathy etc. and I'm taking all sorts of supplements, including Omega 7. I haven't been taking them long enough to be certain if they're helping yet.
One thing I've noticed is that my symptoms get a lot easier when I am busy or talking to friends or asleep. I think that stress hormones and anxiety play a part in my symptoms at least so I am trying to relax, walk a lot, stay busy and I'm going to Tai Chi classes too, which I am sure will help.
Keep posting here, especially if you are having a bad day. You'll get lots of sympathy, advice and hugs here. :)
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Hi Codge - sorry to hear about your tough time at the minute. Could you be allergic to the Replens - I know I can't use it - made me burn like crazy.
Taz x
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Hi Codge
I suffer from Vaginal dryness also which seems to affect my bladder as well (very annoying >:()
I am so sensitive down there, Replens and KY cream also makes me sting like mad.
I also noticed that in the past year or so (I'm 52) filling up with petrol aggravates my neck - the petrol fumes seem to sting and burn like mad :o If I were to mention this to a doctor along with other strange symptoms I get - they would probably think I was mad - some days I think I am !!! ;D
Fi - I am waiting to see if you find any relief with your alternative therapies (I'm so keeping my fingers crossed for you) :)
I believe that there are quite a few ladies experiencing vaginal problems, perhaps one of us may come up with something.
Rebecca x
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Fi - I am waiting to see if you find any relief with your alternative therapies (I'm so keeping my fingers crossed for you
Hi rebecca :) I certainly am trying all sorts of things. I think some of them might be having an effect, though I'm having a bad day today.
I've given up on the magnet. I probably didn't give it long enough - nearly a month - but I got fed up wearing it, frankly, and I suspect it probably doesn't help vaginal dryness much. It seems to be best for joint pain.
I think the homeopathy might be working (which is a big surprise!) I don't think it's working on my actual problem yet but the homeopath tells me that it works with your whole system and so it will probably take some time yet before I can be sure if it really is helping or not.
I'm continuing to take the supplements - no idea if they are doing anything.
I guess I won't know if anything has helped until I stop the Ovestin. I'm nervous to give it up, yet it certainly hasn't fixed me. I am down to two or three doses a week but I wasn't symptom-free even when I was applying it every day.
To be honest, staying calm, relaxed and busy seems to have the best effect on my symptoms ::) but of course it isn't always easy to stay calm...
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I'm just back from the doctors and I have to admit that I am a bit downhearted.
My very nice young GP registrar, who prescribed Ovestin for me, had asked me to come back in a month to see how things were going, so I duly went back today. An uneventful appointment except that the doctor, who knew very little (if anything) about vaginal atrophy the last time I was there, had apparently been reading up because she said, very sympathetically, that a cure was unlikely and that the best we were looking at was to manage the symptoms as best we could. :(
I was having a bad day anyway and this didn't help. I'd read this kind of thing myself when I first found out that I had it so it wasn't news but still...
I have an appointment with the gynaecologist next month so I am hoping to get a definitive medical answer to this prognosis (unless Heather would like to give an opinion here?) but it is very depressing news. I'm only 50 and it's hard to think that I could be stuck with this for life now.
There must be older women out there who have gone through this. We can't be the first generation to suffer from oestrogen deficiency. Did they all suffer in silence for the rest of their lives?
What gets me is that this is the invisible menopausal symptom. No-one talks about it. It's rarely mentioned in the lists of symptoms in books and magazines (apart from on this excellent website of course). And yet, unlike the transition symptoms, there is no end to it. Once you've got it you are apparently stuck with it. Why is no-one talking about this thing? It can't surely just be because it's in an embarrassing part of the body.
If it really is the case that once you have this affliction, you have it for life, then there needs to be a support group, where we can exchange tips for managing the symptoms and offer hugs, because it is going to be with you for a long, long time. I am 50 so could be living with this daily irritation for 30 years. Don't fancy it much at the moment. :'(
I don't want to upset anyone else who's got vaginal atrophy or dryness so I'll end on a positive note. I've been living with this for about eight months now and I did have a very good week last week, where I felt almost normal and actually forgot about it for hours at a time. So there can be good times as well as bad. :) ANd I am also still hopeful that some of the alternative therapies that I am trying might produce good results. It ain't all bad girls - we will survive this. :ola:
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Hi Fi, as I have said before in a posting, this is where we need the women who have come out the other side of menopause to come along and tell us that these things wont last for ever!! Its so easy to think that how it is now, is how it will be always. I dont believe (and I hope) this is not the case!! I dont want to be anxious for the rest of my life. I think what we have to do is look at older women - we need to be given some positive role models, to see that there is life - and a good life - after meno. I can only look at my own mother, and also my Teacher, they have both come through it, and are positive, beautiful women!!!! feisty and independent - which came out of the meno experience!! its a shame we dont see more of them!!
Lots of love,
Yogini xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi Fi
Your latest posting could have been written by me! I echo your feelings 110% - my gynae said to me "you will have to take the 'medication' for life I'm afraid".
I did feel down like you and have often thought that it would be great if I could perhaps 'swap' the symptom for one of my choice! ;D I guess in the medical profession it is not a priority as it is not seen as life threatening therefore does not justify money/priority for research :-\ Well, that's the way I see it anyway rightly or wrongly ::)
My mother NEVER talked about the menopause - it is just like she has not experienced it ! When she came across women who seemed rude or unhelpful - she used to say - "I expect she is going through the change" >:(
My sisters' ( who are 2 and 10 years older) experience with menopause has been SO different from mine they both have never suffered with vaginal dryness (so it doesn't seem to run in the family!)
Don't loose heart though, you will have a better day tomorrow I am sure and continue to find something that may ease your symptoms......
Rebecca x
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Hi,
I'm new here but have been reading for a while.
After reading your posts I've been to Docs and got some OrthoGynol, only used it for 2 nights so far, I'm so hoping it works.
Reading other experiences helps and I realise I'm not alone with this.
Thanks ladies
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Hi Missy :)
Hope the Orthogynol works for you. (I wonder if that's the same as Orthogynest - that's what I was given first.) Let us know how you get on - fingers crossed!
Fi
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Fi,
I've just been to check the box - I've got Ortho Gynest cream!! Should have read the box before posting!!
I like to let the Doc choose what she thinks is best for me, (I expected Vagifem or Ovestin after reading posts on here) but when I got the prescription I thought she's prescribed something for my teeth!! (Otho).
Years ago I wouldn't have believed I could be this stupid ;D
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Missey
I agree with your thoughts on the word Ortho, sounding more dental.
I believe it comes from the Greek word ὀρθός meaning 'straight or 'correct'.
Hope it works for you.
Rebecca
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Ladies
Non-estrogen Option for Menopause
The following link makes interesting reading , maybe 'one to watch' to see how the trials go :)
http://www.webmd.com/menopause/news/20080523/non-estrogen-option-menopause
Rebecca
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We've a news item here:
http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/newsitem.php?recordID=82
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Re Vagifem...My Gp gives me a script for 15 tabs.. 2 per week, is anyone else given more on their script, when i go on hols for 10wks, i have to spread them out a bit more, could do with 20..
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I was given three months worth at a time Rosebush - started off with one each night for two weeks then one twice a week for the next three months (that's three and a half months worth!) before going back for a check up.
Fifteen at a time must cost you a lot in prescription charges. You need to go back definitely and get this sorted out. Is it working well?
Taz x
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Taz when i pushed Gp to give me Vagifem & stop Estroil he gave me 15 tabs each time that was 6mths ago & still only getting 15tabs..when going on long stay hols for 13wks last April i did ask for a double script knowing i would have to pay £14.20, but still only got the 1 script..so presumed that was all he could issue, i had to use 1 about every 5-6 days, but did get soreness...so now i know Gp's can issue more, i will push the subject...also script charges are due to rise.!! Thxs for the reply Taz..x
Oh they work really well, if i use 2 per wk, and so easy to use, not like the other messy bullet type one's..!
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I have over last few months noticed dryness, Not continually though. But I do seem to suffer alot with thrush to the point I seem to buy the cream every few months.
Can be quite painful. I have been to the Dr. a while agao who prescribed me cream with a pessarie?? Last time did not bother going back to Dr. just bought the cream just thought cant keep going back for same problem.
Did have blood test and was all clear. But this was last year going back again few weeks
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Update on Ortho Gynest cream
I've been using Ortho Gynest cream for about 3 weeks now, I'm on my twice per week dose.
When I was using it nightly I had some discomfort, felt a bit like period pains (but I had a hysterectomy 10 yrs ago) but I persevered with it, now I still get that feeling on the nights I use it and the following day, although it's nothing compared to the dryness I was experiencing.
Anyone else get this feeling?
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Hello everyone, Having just been perscribed vagifem by my doctor today, thought I would look up what I was taking. I came across this forum and have found it extremely useful. Its great to know that its not just me experiencing this aweful discomfort, especially when trying to have some intimacy with my hubby. Hopefully things will now improve in that department - I'm sure he'll be more than delighted (just have to deal with headaches now!!). Thanks ladies. ::)
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Welcome Jeanie2 - you will find lots of advice and support on here as you go through the various stages and delights of meno.
Hope Vagifem works quickly for you - I found a difference within a week!!
Taz x
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Thanks Taz, can't wait to start now, will let you know how I go on. On reading more of the forum tonight, I notice some ladies liken the feeling to that of sand paper when attempting to have a little anky-panky. Well that's the very the word I used to my 30 something GP today. She asked what I meant! Well she wouldn't know would she, but reassuring to know others do.
Jeanie x
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You can buy estrogen vaginal cream on Amazon, it cost me $15 as I live in the States. Hope this helps. ;)
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Hello girls, I am so happy to have found this forum & answers to all my questions....or at least the same questions!! ::) Although I am sorry you are all suffering too.
I finaly went to my doc after the dryness & discomfort was getting so bad I couldn't have intercourse (although we still have fun! ;)) My doctor prescribed Estriol pessaries & explained them to me & they sounded perfect. BUT as she handed me the prescription she said make sure your hubby wears a condom as he could develop breasts!!!! :o So that was that, hubs has never worn a condom in his life so he isn't going to start now!! And all that faffing about would spoil the moment after 31 yrs of marriage. So I brought some Replense, which seemed ok, but I still feel uncomfortable & know deep down that the Estriol pessaries are what I need. I have read through all your replies & none of you mention this side effect. Is my doc scare mongering, as she reads on my notes that I don't use contraception (even though she never mentioned it) or have any of you been told this?
I need to pursuade my hubby, with conviction, that he won't develop breasts. :-\
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Hi Suzysues :welcomemm:
I first of all read your post with disbelief and then with :rofl:
What on earth was your doctor on about? I have heard that some creams can do this if too much is used and intercourse happens straight away but with the pessaries this doesn't happen anyway. The are absorbed directly into the vaginal tissue - they stick to the side of the vagina high up and are absorbed through the vaginal wall. I have found this information for you http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100001954.html and if you read through it you will find that it says that condoms are rendered ineffective if you are using the cream.
If I find any more info I will let you know. I have used Vagifem which is the same sort of product and nothing happened to my man's boobs. ;D
Taz x
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Thanks for your reply Taz. It was enough to convince hubs that he will be ok (I thought this was meant to be about me!! MEN!! ::)) I am still a bit worried about other side effects as I would never use HRT. But you all seem to be very happy with it so I am gaining confidence. I am lucky as I only have this symptom & a few hot flushes so would like to try not to go down the HRT route if poss. Doc also says I am almost over the Menopause as I haven't had a periods for almost a year, even though she still hasn't done any blood test!! :o
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Glad to be of help. I too thought I would never use HRT but in the end the symptoms got so bad that I had to ask my doc for it. I used Vagifem first but needed the "proper" HRT for the hot sweats which were so debilitating. I respect your choice not to use HRT but would say don't rule it out if things do get too bad.
As to your doc saying you are almost over the meno because you have gone almost a year without a period - well - I would say you just cant be sure. I went 10 months twice between periods before going back to a regular pattern for a while and the common medical feeling is that symptoms reach their worst two years after the last period and then subside over the next few years. My symptoms didnt really start until my periods had almost stopped.
Blood tests for meno are notoriously unreliable but I persuaded my doc to do one for me and it came back that my FSH was at 178 and to be fertile you need to have one of not more than 25 so she said I would never have another period. I then went on to have quite a few more!
Most of us on here have found that the meno journey is, in the main, a totally mystifying experience and what works for one doesn't work for another. You will find much support on here and there is always someone with some advice or a hug when needed.
Taz x
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Thanks hun, you all seem really lovely & normal!!! ::)
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I'm on my third prescription of Ovestin cream but am not finding it as good as the Vagifem. I use it x 2 a week but I still think my vagina feels dry and don't think I'd be confident to try intercourse (which isn't an issue at the moment ). I'm about to cash in my 3rd prescription and think I might up the usage from x 2 a week to x 3 a week and see what happens. I hate the feeling of being dry down below and without the oestrogen - any kind of self pleasure is a total waste of time >:( - and I have to have some pleasure in life!! I shall have been in the meno 2 years on 26th April - whoo hoo - my second anniversary! The hot flushes kind of died off for a while but have recently come back with a bit of a vengeance and I still get night sweats too. I keep hoping that maybe after 2 years, my pituitary gland will get the hint that my ovaries have retired for good and stop trying to get them going again and give me some peace. All in all tho, I'm not enamoured with the meno as I've said many a time before on here. Here's to you all and whatever works for you....... :bighug:
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Daer All
Just am at my wits end to understand docs who say you should be through with menopause after say one year without periods or even up to five years without. How can a doc say this? It is so lacking in undestanding. Sorry to say this but dont think anyone knows how long it goes on for. Worst case scenario is, rest of your natural life. For me the symptoms have ben going on for over four years and if one symptom abates a bit there is something else. Any improvement is very very gradual and I am far from what I was. If your oestrogen level drops then there are lots of symptoms that aren't going to go eg vaginal dryness, dry skin,(to name just two). Sorry if I sound a bit negative but dont want to be fed lies, however there may be ladies who feel differently.
Meg
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Hi folks,
I just read all through these 12 pages looking for ideas and information to help cope with the dryness. I am really impressed with this site... the info and caring you all share.
The product Omega 7 is new to me. After doing some research, I went out and purchased a bottle. Three pills have already helped with my stomach inflammation, definitely not quaffing as many tums and zantac. Hope it works on my lower parts.
Since I "did" have the external itch problem too, Codge, may I suggest a few possible home remedies that work for me.
:) eliminating (as much as you can) products containing sugar and yeast (bread, beer,etc.) from your diet
:) eat yogurt with live cultures every day
:) and put 1/2 bleach in your bathwater once a week or more often if it helps (if you have open wounds this might make it worse, so try this very CAREFULLY).
Also, have you ever checked the label on products that you are using.
I have a mineral oil allergy. Replens which contains mineral oil makes me itch crazy, likewise lubricants that contain mineral oil and/or other petroleum based products like liquid paraffinum, paraffin oil, petrolatum, and polycarbophil.
Well, this is my 2 cents. Hope it may help someone else.
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Oooh Gardenia, be careful putting anything like bleach in your bathwater....I worked for a gynaecologist for 4 years and he'd be ripping his hair out if he read your post. We had a few patients who thought that doing that "helped" but it actually made things worse and I well remember him telling me in no uncertain terms never to do anything like that.
I'm sure there are other things that you can do if you've got the itch. I find that the Ovestin cream or Vagifem or other locally applied (topical) oestrogen cream applied vaginally will help with that.
The Omega oil tablets did zilch for me vaginally. I tried 3 months worth and gave up. Maybe I should have done it longer but it was costing a fortune. Whilst the Ovestin cream isn't fantastic, it is a whole pile better that Omega tablets.
I'm at a bit of a loss when I read "use it or lose it" articles with regard to having sex to keep your vagina healthy. If its dry and sore, how can you have sex? If its itchy and sore,how can you hve sex? Why would you even want to and the less you want to the worse it gets...yes I know there are creams etc you can use and you can take HRT but if you don't want to take HRT or it gives you other problems, then its not much fun.
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I started on Vagifem last night, then my Omega 7 tablets turned up this morning, so I have started on those too!! ;D I hope something works!!! I will keep you posted.
Has anyone else tried the vitimin E peseries?
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Suzysues - I have tried the Vitamin E pessaries - a bit messy and fiddly but they did nothing for me I'm afraid.
I'm using Ovestin cream and as you may have read in my previous posts have found that although my dryness has improved, any serious action down there can't be tolerated. Leaves me sore for days and the bladder gets jumpy too ???
Rebecca
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I found it very upsetting, the move from a reallly active sex life to one of avoidance and dislike and then no desire at all because of the soreness and pain. I have used Ortho Gynest and found it fantastic, not only stops the dryness but I feel better in my self, less mood swings, sleep better, feel healthier. My GP has said I must not continue with it and must have a break using Replens as the cream stimulates the womb. However the Replens just acts as a water feeling for me and is not at all comfortable making for love making, plus I have a gritty, blobby discharge as it leaves my body. I want help to maintain the healthy love making ???
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Welcome to the forum :)
Has your doc said how long you have to take a break from the cream for? I expect he is following the manufacturers instructions as it does say you should take a break every three to six months to see if the cream is still needed. I am on full HRT now but I can well remember the days of dryness. Unfortunately the HRT seems to have robbed me of my libido and "response" mechanism but am working on that one!
Taz
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:) Hi Taz, Thanks for your welcome. I am making an appointment to see GP again next week cos this aint how I want to be and the forum has given me the confidence to challenge!!!!!!!!!!! GP said to use cream maybe three times a year
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Does it give you any info here http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100001954.html it's probably what's supplied with your cream anyway. I took Vagifem and really liked using it as there was no mess as the pessaries are inserted so high into the vagina. They stick to the vaginal walls and are absorbed into the blood stream. No mess and no worry about oral either!! http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100002706.html
Love Taz :)
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I must say I am slightly confused here Dr Heather Currie quoted at the start of this thread - 'Because estrogen from these routes is low dose and is not absorbed significantly into the rest of the body, it can be used safely when normal HRT is not appropriate'
My Consultant said that I would have to take Vagifem/Ovestin for life and also stated that as the estrogen was such a low dose it is not absorbed into the blood stream :-\
My doctor has never stated that I should have a break from Ovestin - saying that maybe I will feel better if I go back and see her :) Reading the instructions/warnings that come with the cream always makes me feel nervous about the product but I guess the drug companies are only protecting themselves fully :(
Rebecca
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From reading replies here & on other subjects it seems that doctors are as confused as us! Which is a bit of a worry, as its the doctor that we go to & trust with our health! :-\
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Hi Guys
I am after some advice here. I have had a sore vagina for several weeks. Eventually went to the docs and he said it was thrush. Took the Canestan he perscribed and it worked initially but have got the same feelings back again a week later. Do you think it is just vaginal dryness? I had this before and took Gynest cream (think that was the name). Am worried it might be something more serious. Should I go back to the docs?
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Hmm, I would have thought the Canestan would have lasted more than a week. How can your GP be certain its Thrush without a test? Maybe its not thrush and therefore the Canestan isn't having the same effect. Perhaps the GP needs to do a swab test and make sure that it is Thrush and not something else. AT the same time, they can do a culture test and see what (if there is bacteria present) its sensitive and resistant to. Do you have a Well Woman clinic as opposed to going back to see the Dr? Sadly, with the meno, GP's can just try to fob you off with stuff rather than looking at and listening to you properly (sorry, but that's what they do a lot of the time). Getting a proper cultur and sensitivity test could help you a lot. If its not thrush or anything else, then maybe it is a lack of hormones in the vagina and you can address that properly knowing you've ruled out other stuff
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Being dry can cause itchy and soreness >:(
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Hello everyone, I'm new to this, the forum that is not the menopuase!!
My Dr told me about the site after I told him I'd been driving myself mad googling in very symptom under the sun.
I've just been for swaps for vaginal dryness, sooo painful, I couldnt cope. Anyone else found swabs a problem.
I'm feeling like a shriveled up old prune.
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Hi Dede - :welcomemm:
Sorry you had an uncomfortable experience with swabs but it is nice to know that your GP is taking you seriously enough to actually take swabs. A lot of us just get fobbed off. At least you will know whether you have anything other than the meno causing your symptoms and if it is just good old meno then you should be offered vagifem or one of the other preparations to help you.
Have a good look around the site. It is great to know that GP's are beginning to recommend us.
Taz x
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Hello Taz, Thanks for the reply it was god to hear from someone.
I had a hysteroctopy, scan and D@C last year and everything was ok
Dr is pretty sure it's vaginal atrophy, tried Vagifem but it didnt work for me.
My Dr is really good, she said she's safe guarding her future!
I've got to go back and have anaesesthetic ( is that how you spell it !) cream before I can have the swabs. I'm worrying now about why it hurt so much!!!!!
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Hi Dede - there is some info here http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068683/ on Vaginal Atrophy from which you will see that pain is very common and it gives the reasons behind this. If Vagifem didn't work then maybe full HRT is the next thing to try if you can take it?
Would just like to say that if you introduce yourself under the New Members thread you will receive more "welcomes".
Taz x
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Thanks Taz
That was really helpful, looks as though thats what I've got. Hey Ho.... I feel even more decrepid now Ha
I wonder if Madonna has these problems ! Doubt it somehow.
I'll try and find my way round the other sites like you suggested, there's so many threads its difficult to know where to start.
P.S. How do I get the little men to pop up next to my writing, dont know wht I'm doing wrong but they wont move!!
Best Wishes
Dede
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Back again Taz......
Its not just the little smiley men that wont pop up, I cant work out how to add myself to the Newcomers board. Arggh.
I've worked out how to reply to a specific thread but dont know how to start a new one, my brain is completly frazzled Ha.
Dede
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Taz x :)
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Well after 8 days of using Ovestin every night (again) it is feeling heaps better
Saturday and Sunday 150% nothing dinada made love wonderba to feel normal!!!
Monday bummer back again though not anything like it was thank god
I agree though every site says have sex its GOOOOD what when it feels like hell
Im very lucky Ive only had a few days when its stopped us
Its the constant never ending soreness and the feeling like your sides are rubbing together like the pubic hairs get caught and pull it makes you feel crapy
Dont know about any of you ladies but sometimes I feel so fed up I cry
I use Nutrogena soap only wash my hair in the sink(Im English) use no talk
Cotton draws keep the hair down there shirt but not too short I dont use KY
I just rely on the Ovestin and a loving husband who takes his time (poor sod)
He never thought this was going to be life after meno you have to laugh or youd go mad One other thing does anyone suffer from going to the loo 10 times day
Plus its stingy and burny?
Dont really see cope you just endure yes?
Suzanne
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Hi Suzanne,
it's no fun is it? :(
I got really sore about 6 months ago & it improved just before having a slight show (couldn't really call it a period!!) Then it was downhill rapidly again so I went & got vagifem, used it fo 14 nights & now have to use twice a week, it has improved, so I am hoping I have stopped the deterioration in time :)
Could you possibly have cystitis or water infection?
I got very sore even just going to the loo, but I knew it was only the atrophy, but apparently cystitis is common in women when they get very sore & dry., might be worth getting it checked out.
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Hi SuziQ
Glad you are starting to feel better. I use Ovestin as well and it has made a huge difference.
However I ALWAYS use a lubricant as well, I'm using Durex Play at the moment and very happy with it. The risk of soreness if I don't use lube is just too great. The Ovestin plumps everything back up nicely but doesn't seem to provide the juices as well, if you know what I mean ;)
I would definitely recommend you use some kind of lubrication, if you don't the friction will make any symptoms down there so much worse.
Catweazle x
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Yes catweazle, I agree, forgot to say that I use lube as well ;D
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Hottie and Catweazle :D :D :D :D
PLumps come back look OK downstairs hoods still small now as are labia
4th day of no pain been back on nightly useage for 17 days
I agree with juices Ive lost all mine they went about 2 years ago
But the Ovestin seems to act as a lubricant for me and I know if its not with in 2 secs it STOOOPPPPP
Thanks for all the concern
Suzi Q ;)
Hope you 2 are feeling OK today?
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Fine today thank you, if a little frazzled :) ::)
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I feel like saying TOLD ME woke up this morning not feeling good (song Hemans Hermits!)
After 4 fab days today Thursday iffy burny tingly not as yet sore but the bastards back
See how the am goes but my pubic hairs are tingly the openings tingly and feels a but hot
SOD IT what did I do yesterday? Im truley fed up I also look like ive given birth Im open honest?
Ok here goes the day please please dont let it get any worse BUMMER
Im not Suzi Q today IM one very pissed off and angry SUZANNE!!!!
Ps hope everyone else is OK honest
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Hi SuziQ,
Sorry to hear that you are having such a bad time. I hope things settle down soon.
Ellen xx
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Hi Ellen CLKD HOTTIE TAZ AND everyone
well except for a week last saturday and a few hours last Thusday evening nothing dinada
Been 2 weeks now thats the longest ever maybe Ive cracked it
Loo those days seem to be over average last 10 days 5 times a day or less
I didnt use cream Fri or sat and was fine in Sunday and a bit iffy in the am leaking iritating after a bit it went
I pray to god this is over its been a year every day now is a bloody fab blessing
Suzi Q xxx :D ;D :-*
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Well the bastards back
Burning stinging iritating sore at the opening
Im starting to wonder if the Ovestin is maybe irirtating me now
MY fanny today feels like Ive been punched yet it looks heaps better
Except for the vanishing clittoras hood and the dis labia
Fed up now had enough all this started with an itch one Sunday its been 13mnths now
OK not all the time but even on good days you wait for the pain to start
One very sad Suzi Q :'(
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Suzi could you have an allergy to something?
I ask because I once switched brands of washing powder and ended up very sore and itchy down there. It took me ages to figure out what was causing it.
You could try going knickerless for a few days to see if it helps ;)
Catweazle x
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NOPE not changes anything
Dont even use soap any more
Today was the worst day in ages
Tonight it was pure battery acid
Hubby said put cream in
I said did it last night he said give it a go
5mins later it was about 75% better Im fed up now
Suzi Q
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Suzi,
have you checked the ingredient list, just in case they have slightly changed?
i hate it when you get 'new & improved' of anything because I always find it's not as good or reliable as it was previously >:(
i can't use ovestin or orthon gynest, I am allergic to chlorohexadine (sp)
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Well it got better as the day went on still hot and acchy not burning as such though
Had a shower no burning but just used water its just sore but better than yesterday
Thought Id die last night it was soooo bad the BURNING was terrible
Im red raw down there looked in miirror made an appt to see my old GP 21/11
If I have to have my fanny looked at then I can just about manage Michael
Put some more cream in tonight just a bit see how tomorrow goes
Hope Hottie your day went fabo some buggar had better have had a good day hehehe
Hugs Suzi Q ;D
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Suzi - are you sure you haven't got thrush - it doesn't always show the same symptoms in everyone. I read somewhere that all these problems started for you after a course of antibiotics? Have you ever had a swab taken to work out if it is one of the numerous infections we can get in our "bits"? I know it is probably a daft question and that you have more than likely followed up all the possible causes but sometimes the simple things can be overlooked http://www.womenshealthlondon.org.uk/leaflets/thrush/thrush.html
Taz x
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NOPE had water tested 4 times the second one showed up a very nasty infection
It wouldnt suprise me to find ive thrush again and or a UTI Ive made an appt for 21/11
If its like again tonight sod it I will go to a GP down the road Im almost at the end of my rope
Also took my blue pill hubbie stood over me and with in 30mins or so the pain eased considerably
Hes always saying a lot of it is nerves but this is just like last year it hurt so much
Put a tad more cream in tonight 3rd night now just 1/2 the amount but I feel like ive been punched
I hope your days been heaps better than mine and I feel so bad I cant show any excitment about our trip im in too muc pain
Oddly pain killers dont help wonder why?
Hugs and thank you
Suzi Q :-*
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NOPE had water tested 4 times the second one showed up a very nasty infection
It wouldnt suprise me to find ive thrush again and or a UTI Ive made an appt for 21/11
If its like again tonight sod it I will go to a GP down the road Im almost at the end of my rope
Also took my blue pill hubbie stood over me and with in 30mins or so the pain eased considerably
Hes always saying a lot of it is nerves but this is just like last year it hurt so much
Put a tad more cream in tonight 3rd night now just 1/2 the amount but I feel like ive been punched
I hope your days been heaps better than mine and I feel so bad I cant show any excitment about our trip im in too muc pain
Oddly pain killers dont help wonder why?
Hugs and thank you
Suzi Q :-*
Made appt going today it was so bad and this am bad again fingers crossed she doesn give me in internal examination the pain!!!
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I must say I am slightly confused here Dr Heather Currie quoted at the start of this thread - 'Because estrogen from these routes is low dose and is not absorbed significantly into the rest of the body, it can be used safely when normal HRT is not appropriate'
My Consultant said that I would have to take Vagifem/Ovestin for life and also stated that as the estrogen was such a low dose it is not absorbed into the blood stream :-\
My doctor has never stated that I should have a break from Ovestin - saying that maybe I will feel better if I go back and see her :) Reading the instructions/warnings that come with the cream always makes me feel nervous about the product but I guess the drug companies are only protecting themselves fully :(
Rebecca
My doctor also says that estrogen from ovestin/vagiferm is low dose and it's not absorbed into the rest of the body, but the producer of the cream must warn about possible risks even if the risk is very low.
That's why there's and instruction/warning coming with the cream.
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i use the Ovestin cream x 3 a week rather than 2 because I find twice a week is okay but not brilliant. 3 times a week is better. I hope I'm not endangering myself. Twice a week doesn't reallydo an awful lot for me
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It seems strange that doctors prescribe HRT that you take internaly month after month, with all the side effects, but are over cautious about such a small dose that doesn't go into the liver. Maybe its another case of them not really understanding it? ::) I know that after persuading my doc to increase my dose of Vagifem I am already feeling much better after a few days. Surely this is better than suffering?
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The point is that low dose estrogen from the cremes really does not absorb into the rest of the body signifcantly, but the producer must warn about the risk, even if the is risk very, very small of, for example 0,001%. But the risk is increasing if woman has fibroids and polyps, wich is my case. :( :'(
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Im now 20 days with out HRT cream
We made whoopee today even with my bad back
Hurt for a couple of second going in then tender for a fwew more then fine
Seemed wet enough no rasping Ok in fact BUT
Afterwards for a bout an hour or so I was sore then it went so I give up really
Suzi Q
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It seems strange that doctors prescribe HRT that you take internaly month after month, with all the side effects, but are over cautious about such a small dose that doesn't go into the liver. Maybe its another case of them not really understanding it? ::) I know that after persuading my doc to increase my dose of Vagifem I am already feeling much better after a few days. Surely this is better than suffering?
Hi Suzysues :xmas: The reason they are cautious (some of them) is (and I'm not an expert so if I've got this wrong, please tell me someone) is that the oestrogen cream only has oestrogen in it, whereas HRT pills have progestogen in them to balance the side effects of the oestrogen. Most docs these days seem to be agreeing that the oestrogen cream is so low-dose and used so specifically that it is unlikely to have any bad effects.
The reason not all docs agree is that they don't know for sure yet whether it IS okay. It's a similar thing with the oestrogen maybe being transferred to your partner during sex. Some docs say use a condom to protect the man. But I don't think they really know for sure either way, yet. I think you are right - they don't really understand it! :beat:
Glad to hear that you are feeling better :clapping:
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Thanks Fi. I nearly didn't use the Vagifem for that reason. When I told hubs about the very small & possible risk of him getting boobs, he didn't want me to use it! >:( But after reading up more on it & finding it to be very rare he agreed, as not having sex at all was the other option!! ;)
Suzi Q, that is great news!!! :-*
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23 days now good day its 7pm only been to the loo twice
Want to go again though now second time was an hour ago feeling Ok
But the bits are vanishing hehehe
Suzi Q
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Suzi - it's not good to only go to the loo twice in a day! This is what can lead to infection as the urine can stagnate in the bladder. It is a good thing to empty it every two hours minimum. I reckon you should be drinking more - water that is not :drunk: ha ha
Taz x
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Mmmm, lots of interesting info here. I haven't been to the doc yet as my symptoms aren't driving me completely crazy yet. But they're starting...My libido has decreased definitely, but I think it's as much a self-esteem issue as a meno one. I've put on weight, and have had some trouble dealing emotionally with going through early menopause - I'm 43 (in a week). I've just begun to experience some pain during sex (isn't it strange the way life works, I used to complain that we didn't make love long enough, and of course since I've started going through menopause, he's now taking a lot longer to finish ::)), I can't seem to stay lubricated as long as I used to, and I'm finding that while I don't get sore during, (I do use water based lubricants when required), I'm sore after, sometimes for days. It's sort of an achy, swollen feeling, and occasionally a bit itchy. From reading the posts here, it sounds like this is within the realm of "normal", ;D. I do find though that it makes me nervous sometimes before making love, which doesn't help much.... :(.
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Mmmm, lots of interesting info here. I haven't been to the doc yet as my symptoms aren't driving me completely crazy yet. But they're starting...My libido has decreased definitely, but I think it's as much a self-esteem issue as a meno one. I've put on weight, and have had some trouble dealing emotionally with going through early menopause - I'm 43 (in a week). I've just begun to experience some pain during sex (isn't it strange the way life works, I used to complain that we didn't make love long enough, and of course since I've started going through menopause, he's now taking a lot longer to finish ::)), I can't seem to stay lubricated as long as I used to, and I'm finding that while I don't get sore during, (I do use water based lubricants when required), I'm sore after, sometimes for days. It's sort of an achy, swollen feeling, and occasionally a bit itchy. From reading the posts here, it sounds like this is within the realm of "normal", ;D. I do find though that it makes me nervous sometimes before making love, which doesn't help much.... :(.
NO THE FEELING and Im 14 years post meno
It hurts a bit to enter then the first couple of movements then it fine
BUT afterwards it hurts I describe it like a scratch feeling and just internaly sore mine lasts for an hour or all day
Im thinking of asking hubbie if we can try condoms the really lubricated ones see how it is with them he took care of buis before
25 years of condoms we can give it a go mind I dont tell him how sore I am afterwards I know!! Its just me Suzi Q :-X
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Hi Colina
Sounds like you have the same symptoms I had, probably started when I was around 46 (just turned 50 now). Have you tried vagifem? It doesn't work for everyone, it did for me and I do not have any pain during sex now and don't need a lubricant now, I do sometimes use Durex play O lubricant, it is really nice.
Hope this helps
Ann
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Hello - nice to be among people who understand!!
I've been having repeated attacks of what I assumed was mild cystitis for months now; I'd get symptoms, take a sample along to my doctor's surgery, ring up later for the results only to be told, "Nope, nothing abnormal there, sorry, we can't give you any antibiotics", exist for a week or so on Cymalon lookalikes from my local supermarket, take another sample along, still no joy, and eventually have to make the appointment with my doctor I'd been trying to avoid...
Anyway, yesterday I saw my (lovely and very sympathetic) GP to ask if there wasn't some way round this, and she asked some pertinant questions (how are your periods? etc), and suddenly the lightbulb came on, and I realised that maybe the lack of - er - lubrication at certain intimate moments might not just be down to familiarity and Australian foreplay (i.e. "You awake?")! So she's prescribed some Ovestin cream, and we'll see how we go.
I'm still having periods, but they're getting a bit erratic - I actually bought myself a pregnancy test a few months ago, which caused a bit of a confrontation between Mr. D and our teenaged daughter, not least because he had the snip years ago! - and I now realise that my tendency to bite peoples' heads off with very little provocation on occasion might not just be down to me becoming "just like your mother" ;)
Good 'ere, innit?! :bounce:
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Australian foreplay (i.e. "You awake?")!
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Australian foreplay (i.e. "You awake?")!
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Australian males mantra
My Mates
My Ute
My Dog
and then me wife
I thought all ozzie men were latent homosexuals
They arent they are just terrified of women and except for sex we bore them
Suzi Q and Ozzie for 28 years (migrant)
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Thank you SuziQ...I'm still giggling... :rofl:
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Heh. :)
(Just like to point out that Mr D isn't Australian, but I'm sure you all know what I mean about familiarity...)
Well, this is day 4 on the Ovestin, and I have to say so far I'm well impressed. The sheer quantity of the cream you have to use each time is a bit daunting - it usually re-appears halfway through the following morning, but a panty liner seems to do the trick. I also have to be a bit tactful about when I insert it - as he said, "otherwise it'll be like making love to one of those huge cream filled doughnuts..." BUT -
Already the symptoms of impending cystitis have pretty much gone, along with a couple of other problems I'd been aware of but hadn't attributed to the menopause! From the first evening I used the Ovestin, I haven't had to get up in the middle of the night for a pee - something I'd pretty much resigned myself to - and when I do go, I go properly - none of the pathetic little dribbles I used to get sometimes after rushing to the loo convinced I was busting. I guess my urethra must have been getting very sensitive without me knowing, although now I think about it, most of the discomfort was localised at the - er - output end.
So so far, so good!
I hope those of you who haven't had so much success with the Ovestin cream won't feel that I'm being smug, but I just thought I'd post my experiences so far. I'm quite surprised how many nagging little symptoms I'd had that were obviously down to dryness that I hadn't really taken a lot of notice of!
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I, for one, am delighted to share your experiences Deefor. I also am on day 4 of Ovestin, but haven't yet been as lucky as you - not really noticed much effect yet. Having said that, we did go for a 2 mile walk this afternoon and I was reasonably comfortable and not busting for the loo all the time. Suffering for it a bit tonight (a bit sore & stingy), but mustn't be impatient ;)
We need a 'like' or 'thanks' button or similar on here - no way to easily acknowledge a post which has made you laugh or been particularly helpful
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This is interesting. My constant bouts of cystitis symptoms following sex I've always put down to some sort of aggravation of the bladder. Like you Deefor I'd take a water sample along to the docs and many times there'd be no infection. Perhaps then it is to do just with the vaginal dryness, which I suffer from a lot. My doc gave me some non hormonal pesseries to help with lubrication (following a VERY painful cervical smear test) but they didn't seem to help at all. My doc won't put me on HRT but perhaps he'd agree to Ovestin or Vagifem - are they the same thing?
Pardon my ignorance! :-\
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Ovestin is only available as a cream I think http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100003190.html but Vagifem is in pessary form. They are very small and come ready loaded into individual applicators. You insert them as high into the vagina as you can and they stick to the wall where they are absorbed. I was prescribed vagifem after many bouts such as you describe. It worked very well for me http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100002706.html
The list of side effects is a bit daunting but the dosage is far smaller than proper HRT and is considered much safer. The manufacturers of Vagifem have just changed the rules and you are allowed to take it continuously whereas, before, you used to have to have a break after so many months.
Taz x
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Thanks Taz2, might translate that and take it along to my doc.
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Well today it was like stepping back 15 years
To that lovely Romantic Victorian hotel where Bobbles couldnt get in
Today it was on our KING EXTRA SIZE BED we tried and we tried eventually after I literaly grabbed hin
In we go to be met with sandpaper S a Brick it didnt pain but it hurt why last week easy peasy havent had this since 1995
Why has it returned Ive been to the loo today so far 8 times and wanted to go at least another 5 times
I drank the water maybe that was it (dont think so) I made an appt to go on Monday sex is the one thing that will make me go
Bobbles said look Suzi Q oyu came off Ovestin and took nothing in its place If Id stopped taking MY BP pills youd have gone daft
Maybe the antis dried me up but Ive also had over the last 3 weeks or so hot flushes again but as I said last week wet as anything
Im really fed up 12 weeks on Tuesday Paris got to get this sorted imagine today in Paris id have been in and out of loos
I thought this vaginal dryness had gone well and truely even with the burning we could still make love?
Suzi Q
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Oh Suzi, what a pain for you in more ways than one! I think now you've been this long off the Ovestin it has caught up with you and your bits and just dried out, shouldn't think it was the antibiotics :(
I was told by urologist that 8 times a day is the average amount you should be going to the loo, I go a lot more than that but I know my pelvic floor is not great.
Can't remember, have you ever tried Vagifem? Or the old fashioned methods like Replens or Sylk?
Take care of yourself
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For SuziQ :bighug:
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Oh Suzi, hope you get some help off Gp on Monday, dont know why we have to suffer, for so long, with this meno... :hug:
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Its been fine tonight almost normal it eased off in the early evening
Bobbles thinks the same plus he also thinks its nerves he maybe right hes away again tomorrow for 7 days
It maybe that it is the fact ive taken nothing and the flushes have come back
Maybe my body is screaming out for hormones but HRT didnt stop the AV in fact while on the Ovestin it was 1000 times worse?
Im having a flush right now just come on in fact
Ive not tried vagifem I cant take HRT pills cos if the family history of heart attack nigh on 100% family memebers have had them
But I have to have something I think? Maybe another cream would help with the AV
Bobbles had a look today for me to see if it was red it was a bit but he said himself where the bottom bit if your fanny gone?>
He meant the inner labia its vanished in to the skin almost like it was never there except for a tiny line he was shocked
Finaly he beleived me that it was vanishing but buggar that at the moment Ive got to go chat see what I can do
Thanks for caring Suzi Q
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Thanks Terri Thanks Rose
xxxxx
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well might be worth thinking about Vagifem then Suzi. Probably about the same amount of hormone as Ovestin but a different type I think.
take care
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Suzi Vagifem worked for me.. ::) Don't need it though since going on Hrt..Hope you cope okay with Hubby, a week will soon fly by...rest up and enjoy some 'me time'... :hug:
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Well today its 11.25am and I havent been to the loo yet
I got up didnt think of going and still havent?
Im still going tomorrow maybe another cream may help
I dont know whats going on ?
Thanks Suzi Q
Yes I will have me time no washing cooking nothing and as Im not at wrok Friday
It can all go to H... in a handbascket lay the bed wash the dishes and clothes read watch Tele
Im only working Tuesday and Thursday so it will be me time
Hugs Suzi Q
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oooh Suzi, are you drinking gallons of water....?
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Had a mixed week one day sore next Ok
One day wanting to pee all the time next day OK
One day dead dry on the outer parts
Feeling of being wide open down there all pale and flappy
Next day loads of disharge not much burning though
So see how the weekend goes
Bobbles is back in less than 6 hours YESSSSSSSSS
Have a brilliant Friday hugs
Suzi Q ;)
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Oh Suzi - I'm so pleased you are feeling a little happier.
Don't you think that the 'good one day, bad the next', is the most difficult thing of all to deal with? One day, over the moon & planning for the future, and the next plunged back into the depths of despair and convinced nothing will ever work.
I'm thinking of doing Mastermind - specialist subject UK Public Conveniences ;D
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Hope you're having some fun right now SuziQ and the old fanny holds up??? :o ;)
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Terri and Gaga
Bobbles came home loaded with gifts but the best gift was today
We mad whopppee and I was wet and it didnt hurt
But thats not really the problem for me its the almost 24/7 feeling of crap downstairs its burning but not burning its sore but not sore
I want to pee then I dont want to pee Im dry on the outsied and inside then Im not
Except for the fact im still shrinking Id laugh
The thing is though other than the fanny I feel except for the odd down day because of the fanny and only the fanny
I feel wonderful better in myself than for years Ive not lost weight or put it on I dont feel ill at all Im not tired I go to the LOO
Im not feeling sickly headachey nothing except for the fanny I FEEL GREAT WHICH IS A BUMMER
So have to just see on Saturday so now I will start to freak and be scared come Friday I will be vomiting in fear ce levie
Suzi Q :-* :'(
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sorry you are having such a rotten time with your fanny SuziQ, it is so miserable. It's really good that you are in such good shape otherwise but know how frustrating it is not being able to get your mind away from your 'bits'!
I seem to be in bad shape on all fronts lately, just one thing after another, still can't get this sore painful mouth to calm down, I never did think it was the tooth causing it :(
Maybe you have/had had an infection this last week or so? You said you had taken some abs, have you taken any probiotics to help the healthy bacteria 'down there'?
take care
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Ladies hope everyone with AV is feeling a little better today, it does seem we go one step forward and 2 back at times. :hug:
Suzi so glad Bobbles is back to give you a hug... i feel so much better after a hug & kiss off my dear hubby.. :)
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goinggaga said
I'm thinking of doing Mastermind - specialist subject UK Public Conveniences
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Thanks for that gg - made me giggle :)
Suzi Q - you describe exactly how I have felt for the last two years. I have good spells and bad spells but it never goes away completely. It's either delicate but good or it's horrible. I am also exactly the same in that, apart from this damn AV, I feel fantastic. :-\ The hot flushes are gone, I feel strong, and calm, and healthy, but from the waist down, I can never be sure how it's going to feel from day to day. It's like having a really sensitive, easily irritated friend who you have to tread gently around and hope that you don't make her (him?) angry. Some days you think you've cracked it - you know how to handle them and you can live with them; some days it all goes horribly wrong from the moment you get up and there's shouting and screaming and moody silences and you know it's going to be a bad day until you get to sleep, and all you can do is hope that the dawn will bring a better day. :beat:
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It is horrible yesterday wasnt too bad just soreness in the am
Today woke up went for a wee wee and bam burny
Also my inner labia was burny and the general bruised feeling I wouldnt mind but my labias are now 1/8th size they were 8mnths ago
Didnt have the wee wees though that was all fine till late afternoon
Then went 3 times in an hour and burnt like billy oh then it went off again?
All day every day 24/7 my fanny is there It eased up immesnley in early December
Just the vanishing bits kept vanishing and some days Id burn for a few moments then it went
2 weeks ago it all came back and Ive not a bloody clue why
To feel tickety boo as they used to say yet have this constand avhe and burn every bloody day
Ikm not on any cream and now wonder if when I came off the cream I should have stopped the pill too
Cos Im getting one hormone and not the otehr?
But this AV started 18mnths ago with an itch that lasted 2 weeks thehn I was fine for 6mnth then it really started
Its never really gone since then and for most of the time I was using HRT cream and the mini pill and it made no difference?
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Oh, Suzi, so sorry, wish I had the answer for you - just miserable :( Mine is currently easier but know yours was at one time so keep wondering why and when it will come back. I found just putting a plain aqueous cream on it was my best option, all the other stuff I tried, steroid cream, calendula, aloe vera, Femigel, Vagisil, Pinetarsol, Vit E oil etc etc etc were no help. The plain aqueous cream in a big tub from Boots was a little soothing.
I seem to have swapped my sore 'bits' for a sore mouth, suppose I should be grateful it's not both at once >:(
take care
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Hello
The dryness only bothers me during sex. I found the cream that works best for me is 'Pussy Rub' in a pink tube available from Ann Summers shops, it costs about £6.
I really did not like KY Jelly as it felt so 'gloopy'
Regards
Sassanach
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have you tried vagifem? worked a treat, no pain at all now during sex and don't need lube anymore :) :)
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If it was just sex I could cope but this is sore burning tender aching 24/7
It never goes its there all the time
No wonder I try to hold off going for a pee cos as soon as I do I burn the house down
Suzi Q :'(
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Ive just (yesterday taken the first Vagifem so far so good no sides to it YET!!!
JUst sat in a cold salt bath didnt sting but see what eventuates
Had the btests this morning checking everything known to man and women
Hope Im OK still its all a start and if this vagifem works I will be so happy
BUT I will be so angry at myself for leaving for a year
Hugs a million Suzi Q
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I hope it works well for you Suzi - don't be angry at yourself - we all put off things that we know we should do, especially if we think it may be painful. :foryou:
Taz x
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Taz sweeite
Thats exactly what Bobbles said
He said I HAD to be ready to go before Id go
Mind he also said to me tonight that he would have carried me to the car screaming last saturday
I think hes had a gutful too
Oh I never asked but can you make love using Vagifem?
Hope yuor days great and your feeling as Bertie Wooster would say TOP HOLE
Suzi Q xxxx :-* 8)
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Can't imagine they would make a cream/pessary and say don't have sex :o So go for it Suzi ;)
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Ok its now been 8pills and it has helped immensly
The burnings gone touch wood The constant wanting to go for a wee wee has eased 70%
No itching but then I never did except for the first few weeks
No sides to it so far sureley I would have had them after 8 days yes?
Ive riden the motor bike over the weekend probably 14 hours and never once did we have to stop for a wee
In fact I didnt even feel the need to go Im not dry anymore feel a bit plumper but thats probably mind over matter
Saturday morning I was in a bit of pain in my vagina almost like a spasam took my pill and it eased off after an hour or so then fine
Its not gone yet still dont feel 100% right but for the fisrt time in 18mnths Ive gone 6 days out of 8 with no pain no burning
Just a tad more wee wee than normal there again Ive forgot what normal was or is
GP receptionist rang today my Bloods results were in and she said Doctor wants to see you talk about the results I freeaked
OH god have I got cancer or something she said OH no if it was anything bad hed have rang for you to come in asap
Then she said sorry you have an appt for next Saturday I didnt see it I dont know do GPs ring to get you to come in for results?
I went last Monday so it will be 12 days to see him after the bloods(I go saturday) is this normal should I be scared
He did full blood work up the lot Ijm nervy now OK dont laugh its me and as I get nervy guess what my fanny starts up !!!!!
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Its Vagifem pills pressaries
Blue pills for my nerves are Lexotan
Suzi Q
\fanny going off today asap after the phone call F.... :'(
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Hi suzi - I see that you are taking Lexotan. I didn't know you were taking this. Have you been on it for a long time?
Taz x :)
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well I think that's amazing that you have had some result after such a short time on Vagifem, Suzi, long may it continue!
The blood test result thing can't be anything too worrying or he would have had you in before that. My husband had the same thing happen just this last week and it turned out that his cholesterol was up a bit, nothing dramatic.
I've never heard of Lexotan.
take care of yourself
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Hi Suzie,
glad the vagifem is working :)
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Crescent - I don't think that Lexotan is available anymore in the UK - it is one of the benzodiazepine drugs like Mogadon, Valium, Ativan or Rohypnol. Used short term they can help alleviate anxiety.
Suzi - I got called in because of raised cholesterol too - though my doc wasn't that bothered to be honest.
taz x
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Thanks ladies I did freak
Ive been on Lexotan for over 20 years 3 half pills a day so 9mg
Some days I only take 2 halfs some days only half
I take no more now than I did in the begining
I rang the GP today and as my fanny is heaps better but not gone yet last every night pressarie is on Sunday
Bobbles is flying to NZ on Sunday and as they have to get a speculum childsize for me its going to be tiny steps
This Saturday bresults maybe a look ask how the Vagi is working then have the smear 2 weeks after that
Little steps one at a time I couldnt handle it if I had it Saturday for 2 reasons one I dont think the fanny is ready
2 Bobbles is going away Sunday and god forbid I got a call saying come in Id probably drop dead and no Bobbles
Maybe Im a coward I will have it done Im not daft but I need to do it at my pace
Suzi Q
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well be grateful you have such a nice doctor, Suzi, he sounds very understanding and that is a real blessing. I would love a nice doctor that I could realy talk to. Do hope the whole speculum thing is easy for you, sure it will be much better since the Vagifem, fingers crossed :)
Thanks for the info on the pills, Taz - I had heard of the others you mentioned but not that one. My mother was on Mogadon for sleeping for years and her doctor said it really was no longer effective after a time but she was always scared to come off it.
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Hi Crescent. The benzo drugs are highly addictive so I can understand her fear of stopping Mogadon. There are lots of support groups nowadays for those trying to come of them though. They are normally prescribed for short term use because, as you say, the benefits don't last much longer than a few weeks. However, even though they are not "working" the side effects when you try to stop are very hard to cope with so people tend to stay on them rather than face an unpleasant few months.
Taz x
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KNow what I dont care if im addicted to my blue pills they keep me sane
As said I take no more now than I did 20 years ago sometimes less
My Mum took Mogodon and Mandrax they became useless after a time
Thats the one thing Ive never taken sleeping pills even on the long haul flight Im too scared
Im scared I will not wake up and also the feeling of falling thats why I hate GAs
Suzi Q
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Hi Suzi - I wasn't saying you should be worried about being addicted - if they work for you then that's what matters. Make sure you have enough for any UK trip though as you wont be able to get them here. I meant to say that the benzo drugs are known to cause urinary problems so maybe your wee-wee trouble coincides with the times you take the Lexotan? It might be worth noting it and at least you would have an answer.
Taz :)
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Never thought about that?
I do take enough with me just in case buttttttt odd thing is when Im home
I hardly take any its hard to explain but I love home and its as if someone takes a bit of me heart when I come back to Ozz
When I get to England someone gives it back and Im whole probably sounds daft
I wont ever leave here now my sons married wont leave my son he is my reason for being on this earth beside Bobbles of course
Todays OKISH feel a bit swollen and a tiny bit tender but nothing like it was 2 weeks ago and as the day goes on it gets better
At night except for Tuesday night it goes so much so I dont want to go to bed Im not wee weeing as much now eiither
But its still there in fact its not as good as it was last weekend when I think about it whats this week to worry me
Well the btests as soon as the Receptionist rang MOnday fanny tightened like s drum course results tomorrow im nervy about it
Smear test today Bobbles said why dont you just see if you can manage to have it done tomorrow see how you feel in there
Well that put a huge fear in me asap I mean its not him having it done and hes away next week I dont want the pain back
Im even scared that the 14 nights are up Sundays the last night what if by Tuesday its ALLLL BACK AGAIN BURNING ETC
I do think for me nerves do play a large part but this is real and Im going to ask if he can have another look tomorrow
See if he thinks it looks a bit better if I can get used to someone looking then it wont be so scarey for me the smear
Thanks for your concern and care
Suzi Q
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Hi Suzi, the last smear I had, the doc (a lady locum) couldn't get it in I was so dry. She said she'd never seen such a dry one (!!!). She put lots of lube on and tried again but it was so painful for me. In the end she said she'd leave it but I took it and put it in myself (VERY SLOWLY). I just wanted it over and done with. She did give me some pessaries but they never really made a difference. I'm thinking of asking my doc for some Vagifem.....
I think you could do with some of the muscle relaxant pills I'm on at the moment for my bad back. Is it worth asking the doc if there's anything to help you in that way?
Good luck with the new speculum.
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Hi annyfanny
love the name hehehehehe
boy your brave putting it in yourself I have a problem with the vagifem applicator!!!
I cant at this moment in time speak highly enough about vagifem
Been on Ortho when I first went post meno 2 years on that the on to Ovestin which worked untill 18mnths or so ago
Put up with pain dryness intense burning going for a pee cystitis with the help of the ladies 2 weeks ago today went to Gp
HE GAVE ME Vagifem the almost instant loss of pain and burning was incredable its still iffy dont get mw wrong
Ive had 2 mornings of ache and 1 night of pain but other than that its working fingers crossed
My Lexotan my little blue pills are a relx pill and they do work depending on how much I TAKE
id certainly ask for Vagifem wish Id done it 18mnths ago Ovesti8n 1mg Vagifem 25mg big leap but my fanny sucked it up
My hairs stopped falling out my skins not flaking my fannys about 90% better wee weeing about 80% better
It can only be the Vagifem my hairs been falling out now for over a year and I didnt stop Ovestin till last November
So I HAD abso no hormones from November till 14th February my body was I think dieing
Go get it girl and long may yours mine and our fanny ruleeeeeeeeee Suzi Q
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Hi Suzi
I am still getting to grips with the vagifem . If I drop back to twice a week sypmtons partially return. But my Gp has said use it for up to 4 times a week. Am experimenting using it every other day now.
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Thats the same as mine Im to use it for a further week to make 3 weeks
Then every 3rd day 2 weeks the 4th
But Im to ring if its too little
Im fine in the evenings (except so far for 1) its the mornings burn a bit and want to go for a wee again
Other than that I feel a million times better than I did 2 wkes ago yesterday still not right but so much better fingers crossed
Suzi Q
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First milestone today woke up had a wee wee and no burning
Second milestone had a shower and first time in over a year my fanny didnt burn
So fingers crossed
Suzi Q
Ps every day with no pain is a blessing though
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Brilliant, Suz ;D So pleased for you and just in time for your trip.
Obviously both you and I suit the Vagifem better than the Ovestin it seems. I am not looking forward to having to have the month off that my GP insists on though. Will take Vit E and anything else I can think of during that month. Have shown her the advice off here but she still wants me to have a break near Easter. I am doing it Weds and Sats now.
Cres
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How do you take the vit E ..internally or by mouth?
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I've read about putting the capsules internally but not sure if I'll feel like doing that tbh. I'll probably just take it by mouth, I'll see how it goes.
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WHY?
Is there something wrong?
There doesnt seem to be a timelimit
Or is she being cautious like the Docs were on the pill
Dont know how many of you remember you were supposed to have a break every couple of years
There was no medical reason other than if you wanted to get preggers but they just said you had to
Id be asking why give me the reasons what can you give me even say Ovestin to stop it coming back
I think Id be doing what that lady did and get it online unless she gave me a really good medical reason for the break
Suzi Q
there maybe shes just not explained it?
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Hi Suzi,
Yes think she was just being cautious. The new advice about being able to take it without a break is quite new and she is one of those doctors who has doubts. The trouble is that she is very nice and the most helpful of the gps overall so although I showed her the advice from this site etc, I didn't want to have too much of a confrontation about it as tbh at the time was not at all sure that Vagifem was going to be a help as Ovestin hadn't been.
I might check out the online stuff, but am always worried that it isn't the genuine article.
Glad things seem to be working out for you and your fanny :)
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OK here goes go back explain take print out sheets saying YOU can take it every other day if you like (not just the Vagi sheet)
Just explain that YOU really need it and that your willing to be monitored every 3mnths
If shes still narky about it say Ok well I have been told I can get it on the net I dont want to your my Doctor I need you to help
If shes still Off then only you can decide what to do Id got to a well womens clinic cos if she does it once how often will she do it
Is she young if she is she probably doesnt understand the pain she hears it but has never felt it or had maybe many women with it
This type of problem is one of the most untalked abuot and the fewest ladies over 60 go abuot it too emabarrasing
Fanny Ok today bit acidy but no burning when I wee weed 4 times today tingly fanny today but not burny or achy its the bum
Hope your OK lots of hugs Suzi Q 8)
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Crescent, I've been taking the Vit E orally but also internally (as I hoped it would help re the dry fanny problems).
Hubbys birthday today soooo......long lie-in and some rumpy pumpy.....still painful though. Dashed straight to the loo, cleansed with anti bacterial wash and took a cystitis sachet........sad eh?????
I remember the days when it was so spontaneous........sigh.... ::)
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Sorry love and yes I too remember
Suzi Q :-*
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Oh that's miserable, annifanny :( Hope it goes off and doesn't turn into proper cystitis, my worst nightmare!
Somehow I have trouble with the idea of putting the Vit E capsule in internally, just seems odd.
I'll see how it goes at my next doctor's appt, Suzi. find it a fine line to tread between being assertive and being argumentative with the doctor :)
Guess you are still doing well? It's odd yesterday after weeks of nothing I suddenly got that toothache feeling in the labia again, went off again but it did remind me of how it was!
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Had a iffy weekend crappy in fact and no Ive no idea why
Today fine 100% perfect so far and its 10 to 5pm
Hope your feeling a tad better
There is a fine line but if your confident and persevere why would she not give it to you
Suzi Q
yes I had the bruised feeling too odd that only lasted a few hours but tell you what I did get
Those F fairys i get like a flutery movement feeling down at the vagina its dead weird doesnt hurt
Like a tingly nerve but with out the tingle just the feeling
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Glad it's one of the good days, Suzi. I'm doing ok thank you. Although I do keep getting a sort of toothache type pain down along the left side of my 'bits', sort of one side of the labia. More discomfort than pain really and the soreness and stinging hasn't come back thank goodness.
Fingers crossed :)
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I will keep my fingers crossed for you OK xxx
This is the first night in 21 days no Vagifem in wonder what tomorrow will bring? 1st day with out it?
Suzi Q
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Suzi hope you will be okay.. :-*
BTW what is the time diff from Uk to Oz ?
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Have a go on here http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ It saves a lot of pondering I have found!
Taz x
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Looks like you are 10.5hrs in front of us Suzi, we are just going to bed as you get up..Is it really 18c ? only 3c were i am.. :'(
Taz thanks for the link.. :-*
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When its 10am here its midnight there 10hrs diff till you turn clocks then its only 9hrs diff
Todays first day so far so good about 95% ok just had a shower that will be the test
See how the night goes and then then tomorrow
Hiope evryones lady bits are tickety boo today fingers crossed ladies 6 weeks tomorrow
Please god let the fanny be Ok
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Well as i said on other post
Wole up Thursday after not putting one in since Sunday and FFFFF it was horrific Feiday was even worse thought!!
I was reduced to tears at 8pm burning sire aching all day Bobbles lit stood by the bedroom door and made me out another one in
It wasnt due till tonight and F guess what woke up today almost 99% so Im going to take another one tonight
If I feel good tomorrow then I will skip tomorrow night see how Monday is
It could be I need one every day or every other day with in 1hr of it going in last night the relief was incredable
But I cant use Vagifem every night but I also cant have the pain and soreness I had Thur and Friday
Because Ive felt so well it hit me like a ton of bricks I really felt like I wanted to die yesterday I thought GOD dont let it come back
Im so discoutaged now yet today with a vagifem1 I dont know I really dont 5 weeks to go feel like giving up BUT I WONT xxxx
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Sorry mistake put one in Sunday had brill Mon Tue and Wed fabp perfect
Wed night put one in but Thur and Fri suicidal so Friday night out one in and today not 100% but cpmapred to yesterday
Maybe it has to be every other night cos even though one went in Wed maybe the 2 nights with ut where too long?
Suzi Q
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Sorry you had a bad day, Suzi, glad it wore off after using Vagifem. Maybe you would be the sort of person who could use the new 10mg daily dose that was on that link Taz posted the other day?
It's not surprising really considering how long you have been suffering with VA that it would take more than a few weeks Vagifem to sort it out, is it?
Take care of yourself, hope you have a good weekend.
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Hi Suzi
You seem to be responding like I did. Thats why I put myself on it every other day for a couple of weeks. Am trying now to cut down to twice a week. Last one went in on Wed evening now Saturday morning. So far so good. Have you thought about using Replens or similar on the days it gets bad until the next tablet is due? I think we have been without the hormones so long. This Vagifem also has such a low dose i think we need to get to a maintenance level before it will work for us and that involves a lot of experimentation with the stuff. THIS STUFFWILL WORK I AM SUREXX
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Oh Suzi - you poor thing :hug: I am SO sorry to hear that you had a bad day. I wonder if the medics ever read these posts (apart from Heather, I mean - I know she does :) ) Telling us "once a night for two weeks, then twice a week" like robots and then presumably thinking "great, another patient fixed" is no use. If they came on here they'd see that it isn't one individual patient complaining that the creams, as prescribed, don't fix us, it's most of us. Is there ANYONE out there who is post-menopausal and who has had vaginal atrophy which has got better? Please? :tulips:
I am not sure that the creams are actually what is fixing us anyway. I've just had two weeks on the Ovestin, and I feel almost as bad as ever this morning. I am growing more and more certain that the stress and happy hormones within us play just as big a part. I'm going to start keeping a diary to see if there are any common factors in flare-ups. I know that I had an emotional shock yesterday that I think probably played a part in the tender feelings this morning.
I also wonder if Crescent is right - maybe this new low-dose Vagifem is just what we really need. Start off with the big one, then onto the low-dose daily for the foreseeable - that might fix us. Not sure I want to be taking a pessary every day for the rest of my life though... :beat:
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Well Crescent isn't sure Crescent is right, Fi ;D But you never know!
My VA has been _much_ improved by using the Vagifem. I have a lot of bladder symptoms but think my pelvic floor is pretty rubbish so not expecting Vagifem to fix that although it would be nice ;)
But the burning, stinging and overall soreness has definitely been helped, not many weeks now before I have to have the month off so not looking forward to that. And as my original reason for going on Vagifem was recurrent cystitis, am feeling jittery already.
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yes FI have to say mine is heaps better on the Vagifem. I had my last period 8 years ago and have only really been trobled by VA since September. looking back I can see all the signs were there for it slowly building up until hey life is so shit when it hits. Now sleep through the night and don't have the irritable bladder durig the day. Guess we just have to find the right levels for us. I was so against HRt in any form. But this has transformed my life so far. Just hope it can continue. it is so nice to be able to walk the dog without feeling sore and uncomfortable. If men had VA they would soon sort it out.
Does anyone think wine makes it flare up?
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Still cant find glasses neither can Bobbles
YES wine to me does seem to agrivate it
Im starting to wonder if I have that Lichen thing
Reason in sever cases labia minorra vanishes eee hello thats whats hapepening to me?
Suzi Q
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So its a help not a cure or loosing the symptoms while your on it?
Me in my child like way thought Ok few weeks and it will be over seems i was wrong
It has helped my symptoms a lot its not gone though it has helped a lot and with the wee wee not totaly gone though
I seem to get really good few days with the wee we then a day like today where I feel the need every hour or so to go
I get days where its almost 95% then days like today when its gone a bit sore again no burning though that xxxxx seems to have gone
The vagi its self the last couple of pills Ive put in the next day they seem to irritate me a bit and they are days I want to wee more
I got some Lubrication wanted to use it this weekend Bobbles says give it another week but the longer I leave it the more scared I am
I go back to have more Btests and talk about results and Vagifem in 3 weeks I go in less than 5 I think I left it too late ladies
I know my av or what the F it is I developed paper cut today on the side of my clit hood rubbed some Nystatin on
This is my own fault its this bad and I know it if only Id gone a year ago now its severe I think and I dont know how long till help!
Suzi Q who looks like getting no rumpetty in Paris F it he will have to wear a condom ce la vei XXXXXX
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Hi Suzi
You seem to be responding like I did. Thats why I put myself on it every other day for a couple of weeks. Am trying now to cut down to twice a week. Last one went in on Wed evening now Saturday morning. So far so good. Have you thought about using Replens or similar on the days it gets bad until the next tablet is due? I think we have been without the hormones so long. This Vagifem also has such a low dose i think we need to get to a maintenance level before it will work for us and that involves a lot of experimentation with the stuff. THIS STUFFWILL WORK I AM SUREXX
Whats Replens is it a moisturiser does it affect the vagifem does it work OK
How long where you on Vagi before you used it ecery other day and how long did you do that for
I used Vagi every day for 3 weeks then I had that blip on the 4th week used 3 nights put one in Sun night then last night Wed
Started it Sunday 14th Feb for 3 weeks xxxxxxxxx
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Have been away so have just seen your post. Replens is a messy lub which is meant to restore vaginal lubrications. a bit like KY or sylk but you use it with an applicator. Have gone down to twice a week now and can tell things are not so good. Still haven't plucked up the courage for the rumpy pumpy. Think I may try three times a week. Still have supplies left. Started on vagifem on January 18th so has been two months. Am sleeping through the night and the urge to go to the loo has gone. In fact during the day sometimes I have to remember to go! Just feel that sex may trigger it all off. Am almost 98% comfortable during the day. Just an odd feeling of discomfort every now and then. Nothing that I would bother about normally but just feel better when using it more than twice a week.
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Me too every 3rd nights no good for me
Ive taken one Wed Fri and Sun and its easing slowly
Its still there but much better than last tuesday
I find the day after ive out it in the openings tender but thats it
Then the next day I feel almost 95% all day just a bit scratchy in the am
Yestreday I did 6 hours on the bike and didnt go to the loo from 7.30 till 1.30 and all that bumping
The feeling is weird tingly tight feeling but that seems to be it if I leave it a 3rd day it comes back
Not as bad but its defo there yesterday I think we could even have made love I was feeling tingly down there but nice tingly
Bobbles wouldnt said NOOOOOOOO leave it alone and anyway he flew out to Perth late yesterday afternoon
So as you say fingers crossed its working this way Ive been on it since Sunday 14th Feb 3 weeks then the normal rate
For me its too long and I found o9ut 1 theres an Ovestin presaarie its stronger than Vagifem and also Ovestin cream
Its way too late now for me to mess about cos of my trip but am wondering when I COME back if its still the same or worse
I will ask to try Ovestin press use the cream in between days I have more hope now I know youve been on it a month more than me
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Oh Ovestin pessary, hadn't heard of that one, Suzi - will look it up. I would like to go onto more than twice a week but not sure my gp will prescribe that much:(
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Hi girls - hope you all had a good weekend. :)
Just a quick update on my VA. I've had a much better couple of weeks, but I'm feeling grotty this morning, for no apparent reason. :(
I am growing more and more certain that mood plays a big part. I've been really busy this last couple of weeks, going on courses, meeting people - it's all been exciting and great fun. Now I am back to being alone at home and I'm feeling rotten - must be a link, I think...
Incidentally, I have been back on the Ovestin over the last three weeks - two full weeks and then twice a week. I don't think it really makes much difference to the deep-seated VA that I have. I'm also still on the homeopathy, and I'm also taking Omega 7, using vitamin E cream, and I'm trying the progesterone cream too. None of them has cured me but at the same time I have had some wonderful normal days - who'd know what makes the difference?
Hope you're having a good Monday girls :ola:
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sorry you feel bad Fi
The Ovestin worked for me for about 11 years or so then it stopped but give it time
I put it in all the time I was on it 3 times a week
This vagifem is for me now far better than Ovestin was towards the end BUT
Its not making me moist enough for sex plus I have to use it every other day
I too agree with you not all the time but when It was bad and I was working or going out to films plays pals houses it would ease
Nevr go but still felt loads better BUT with Vagi its gone totaly when Im doing things
Tonight got the train in to the City my son met me and we went to meet my DINALW and thier pals to play TRIVIA
I had a ball its now 11.25pm havne been and dont want to go to the loo went last at 4.30pm sooooo
Plus we won at Trivia $1000 I got a $100 to buy myself a new jkt to come home with
The 6 of them have won in the last 4 years $15.000 in Trivia thats about 7000 pounds not bad for 2hrs every Monday
Hope your feeling better today
Hugs Suzi Q :-*
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congrats on the win, Suzi :)
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Ok so bad day today. Second week of trying to cut down to twice a week and first wee this morning really caused burning but did have half a bottle of wine last night and haven't really drunk much for ages. Feel a bit itchy and sore today. Think I am going to go back to using this stuff every other day again. All I want is to feel ok all of the time so I can just forget about my bits rather than thinking oh thats sore , thats itchy and enjoy life. I have two very sick friends at the moment and this makes you realise just how precious life is. VA really is shit!
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Excellent win Suzi! :bouncing:
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Hi Borchesterlass,
How is your gp about you using it Vagifem more than the advised amount? I am really dreading having to have a month off in a week's time as the soreness which had gone off seems to be back, although currently not as bad as it was before. Today it's been stinging and sore round the urethra.
My gp is very pleasant but quite immovable it seems on sticking to twice a week and one month off every three, running out of ideas as to how to change this.
Thanks, Cres
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Thank you every one for the congrats on the win it was smashing and the evening was lovely
My gp didnt say anything about coming off vagifem?
Mind I dont go back for a see how Im going appt and to get btest results which I wont have till Wednesday after Easter(appt 17th)
I find that in the early am like you bit stingy bit iffy then after a couple of hours 95% fine BUT only if I use Vagifem every other day
Still not 100% and I dont expect it to be now but if it can just stay the way it is right now I can cope it has defo improved my AV
Im always aware of my Vagina from the moment I wake up till the moment I go to sleep if its OKISH im waiting for it to hurt again
Ive not had that really horible burning ache like a horrible bruise and the inner labia pain but only if its a Vagifem every other day
Last week it hurt at the opening when I coughed or sat too long now it only hurts when I sit on my bum to long
There again 7hrs or was it 6 on the Bike Sunday and on Monday just a bruised bum? Aagin though every other day Wed Fri Sun???
My inner labis which are still shrinking TAZ are a lot plumper even I can see that and my outer mons inside part seems fulller
Might just be my imagination BUTTTTT and that paper cut I had last week gone Vagifem? Or one dab of Nystatin?
Im still scared though and strressed I worry that it will come back 100% and even the trips scarey now what if im ill when Im away
Sitting on a plane in cattle class for 24 hrs what if Im ill in France what if I blees what if what if!!!
Dont laugh but in some ways I wish to god I was staying home cos I feel safe and thats sad hey! Suzi Q
PLEASE let the day be good for all of us xxx
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Know just what you mean about being away from home, Suzi. I'm going to the States in May and already thinking that if I have this month off Vagifem starting next week, will I have enough time using it again for things to be ok.
In my packet of Vagifem it actually had a bit about 3 months on, one month off.
Hope you have a good day, my bits are sort of ok currently, early yet :)
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Hi Cresent
Not sure . I originally had the vagifem from a different GP who said try to get down to a level of between 2 and 4 times a week. Will need to see a different GP next time and he is a man! the first was a woman who had suffered herself. 2 a week doesn't seem to be enough. All the symptons first disappeared when I tried patches for 3 months but I am reluctant to stay on this form of HRT as have always tried to avoid HRT like the plague.Today seems a bit better but am going to use vagifem tonight. I have enough left to use every other day till my appointment in April.twice a wekk obviously isn't enough. I wondered about using replens or something on the other days if I had to go down to twice a week.What is also bugging me at the moment is chaffing aroung my inner buttocks and soreness just inside my vagina. I sometimes use anosul HC for piles and I wonder if this could be causing the irritation? Any advice welcomed.
Have a nice day everyone the sun is shining and Sam Cam is pregnant!
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Hi Borch
sounds like me and you have the same type of thing
Im useing it every second night its the only way it helps
Any less and nothing and as the second day goes on it can get a bit iffy after the shower
So I do it now in the evening drey type feeling a bit scratchy at the opening
But right this moment I feel we could have sex not sore but I can tell hormones going how
I want to wee we more than Ive done all day thats my sign
Never used HRT in any form other than cream till Feb 14th when came on this Vagifem I did it for 3 weeks every night F brilliant
Then as bloody soon as i wnt just the once 3 day miss the PAINNNNNNN back again took
One in every night for 4 nights to get back some semblance of normality it never goes its always JUST there butcan cope with that
Think the stuff for your bum chums itrritating your vaginal opening it will be leaking a path from your bum to your fanny so stop it
Chaffing on the inside of your thigh by your bum is that where it is? if so use sterilised powder lightly rub it in so no loose bits
I asked Chemist she said if I switched to Ovestin press then I could use Ovestin cream days I cant use press
So when I come back Im going to ask GP about it Im seeing him on the 17th and will mention how its working how Im useing it
Every other day and maybe theres a vagifem cream Ive never asked I will tell him about the vagi 10mg maybe he will give me that
Not going to rock the boat going away 4 weeks tomorrow if it gets no better fine as long as no worse
Thats nice news about her being pregnant but Dave wonder if she really calls him Dave but I hope they are very happy
Loosing their son was tragic yes I read online every day it was so sad same too for Brown they have been visited by tragedy xxx
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Hi Ladies
Just popped in to say hello.
Tried Vagifem after reading here how useful it could be and really noticed a difference (as did OH!).
But I admit I was useless as remembering to use it twice a week and in the end gave up, mainly because we weren't really having sex that often :'( so I went back to stuff like Feminee using it "ondemand")
But got to stage that I really couldn't face sex even with that,which is a shame cos my OH is lovely.
So back to GP.
Another supply...
Wow!
OH is in a state of shock- I think we have done the deed more in the last month than in the previous 2 years.
What I haven't told him, is that this time I have a side effect (or is a benefit?) than I seem to feel permanmently moist "down there" which means I am always in the mood! ;D
This is good, but I am worried that I am going to start dragging the milkman in soon :o
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You saucy minx you
heheheheheh
Im still plucking up the courage to do the deed! :-*
Suzi Q ;)
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You saucy minx you
heheheheheh
Im still plucking up the courage to do the deed! :-*
Suzi Q ;)
I have to admit that the first time, I was more nervous than THE First Time!
Vagifem Website says that sex actually helps with "the problem", so I am determined to persevere.
This dryness thing was something that I really wasn't expecting- its a relief to be able to talk about it here.
I thought that at least after menopause I could look forward to making love without all the "equipment" needed for contraception or having to take the pill.
What happens?
Hormones up the doodah and KY in the bedside drawer!
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Exactly how I felt Mimi, except the KY stings like hell for me.
I think my bladder gets in the way and it is horrendously painful after the deed. I do feel moist down there with Ovestin but perhaps Iam dryer higher up inside still and the friction is what is causing the pain.
May go back and see the doctor again next week and see what she can suggest and the deed is far from comfortable even though I'm taking a small risk using the Ovestin. When I stop using it the pain comes back fairly quick (in 2 days). So I'm stuck with it really :(
Husband booked a suprise Birthday treat for me in Europe recently, I'm still paying a huge price though and currently feeling very uncomfortable despite using 'yes' the day before and taking multiple cystitis drinks :o
Rebecca
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Rebecca - if you think your bladder is getting in the way could you have a small prolapse do you think. This will cause pain and uncomfortableness
Taz x
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Do you think our parents and grand parents had all these problems or they just said no?
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Hi Taz
Thanks for your input - I had a scan done last year they said that my womb was a little low but nothing to worry about.
They said nothing about the bladder, was referred to a gynae who put me on Vagifem.
Went to physio to be shown how to do Kegal exercises.
Maybe I should go back and ask doc if I could have a prolapse :-\
Thanks :)
Rebecca
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Hi Rebebca did you have an examination internal
Or did they just chat and give it to you
If you have a prolapse they would see it in the exam Im 99% certain of that
Suzi Q
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Hi Rebecca - nobody told me I had a prolapse - it is so common in women over a certain age that it is quite often not mentioned unless you ask for advice because you have symptoms. Are you doing the exercises? I attended the continence clinic for a couple of years and got my pelvic floor up to a really good strength but it made no difference to the prolapse but it stopped anything else from falling down which is a bonus.
If your womb was a "little low" this means that you have suffered a small degree of prolapse I would think so that it is bulging into the top of the vagina - the Kegel exercises would be given to help stop it dropping down any further. Have you seen the prolapse link I have put up before - I don't want to keep boring people with it ;D
Taz x
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Since I'm on my three month trial of Vagifem, I'm not sure what to expect when I go back to my GP for review.
Reading thru other's helpful comments, I gather that there is a lot of variety about the schedule of Vagifem.
I see that some GPs insist on a ?month off after three months on, some seem ok about continuous use (every three days or so)
Also that the Three day regimen seems to vary a bit too.
I just wanted to get an overview so that I am informed when I discuss this with my GP.
As a long time lurker, and rare poster, I really find all your comments and views really helpful.
Most of my close friends are a few years younger than me, and I hit menopause very early, so have'nt got anyone who knows what it's like.
I'll be sending them all your way soon!
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Ive been on Vagifem since Sunday 14th Feb I took mine for 3 weeks as my fanny was very bad I waited 18mnths to go to GP
I tried every 3rd night it didnt work It went right back so now I use it every other night and so far its working 95%/100% some days
My GP has given me a rpt script for 5 pkt thats 75
I see him on the 17th April but hes never mentioned coming off it if he does then I will have to use Ovestin and if thats no gd
Then I dont care I will buy it online if I have to cos even on every other night
some days towards the late afternoon on the second day it starts to get scratchy
Fingers crossed Ok dont be afraid to ask hugs Suzi Q
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do you think you can get it online, Suzi? Or would you need a private prescription? Obviously you're in Oz so may be different anyhow. The only thing that worries me about online is whether you get the real authentic product.
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My Neice is in USA I kow as shes had it for something you can get it with out script or so she said
Maybe she nippped over the border to canada she lives in Buffalo about 40 mins from Niagara falls
My GP gave it to me so he would send notes to Gyny even private it really is the same as UK
I just hope to God I wont have to come off it cos its taken 6 weeks to work so far xxxx
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well fingers crossed my gp will let me just have repeats, because if she won't do that then guess she wouldn't give me a private prescription either! Cres
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Not a good day today Ive a feeling it fell ut last night
I put it in very late about half an hour later went to the loo
I think I saw in the bowl
Today want to pee for UK and general feeling of achy sore
Buggar still this will be (fingers crossed) the 5th day of being iffy since 14 Feb so cant complian
Suzi Q
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Believe it or not, Suzi I feel very much the same as you! Only been two days since I last used Vagifem and now 4 weeks to go without! Feel very sore around the front bit and very irritable bladder.
Doc gave me a repeat btw but still insistent on the month off. She irritated me somewhat when I said that the constant soreness down there had got me down, she replied Yes it does if you focus on it!!!!
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Hi ladies... I am still using it twice a week some days are still iffy but liveable. No rhyme or reason to when it is iffy. Sometimes it is the day after I put the tablet in sometimes day before it is due. Am back to see doc next week and will ask about using it every other day as this seems to have the best results. Still doesn't feel good enough for sex.
Have to say the best results where when I was trying out patches actually felt the libido had come back then but don't really want to go down that route permamently. Whats the point of the patches it you feel such shit when you stop them. Maybe just better to settle for what its like now. Def slept for England when on patches. Have been getting up in the night again over the last few days. Not good. But no irritable bladder during the day.
Have a nice Easter everyone and don't eat too much chocolate!!!
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Hi ladies... I am still using it twice a week some days are still iffy but liveable. No rhyme or reason to when it is iffy. Sometimes it is the day after I put the tablet in sometimes day before it is due. Am back to see doc next week and will ask about using it every other day as this seems to have the best results. Still doesn't feel good enough for sex.
Have to say the best results where when I was trying out patches actually felt the libido had come back then but don't really want to go down that route permamently. Whats the point of the patches it you feel such shit when you stop them. Maybe just better to settle for what its like now. Def slept for England when on patches. Have been getting up in the night again over the last few days. Not good. But no irritable bladder during the day.
Have a nice Easter everyone and don't eat too much chocolate!!!
Is there such a thing as too much chocolate??? :bunis:
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No never ever!!
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HI Mimi
Im on it Vagifem every second night in 7 weeks today Ive only had 5 days when Its been quiet crappy not as bad a before though
I am oddly enough getting up to go to the loo in the night havent done that since before AV
I cant help it though I keep waiting for the pain to come back so Im not realxing ever 18mnths of every solid day has left its mark
To be honest it wont ever go its AV if the best I can do is be like I am I can cope very well but my vagina is my obbsession now
As im sitting here no burning havent had that for over 6 weeks no achieing havent had that for about 2 weeks now no pain in labias
Some days loos fine 3/4 times the entire day then other days like today been wanting to go a lot but its so clear you could drink it!
Ive been on motor bike rides 3 days over weekend none lasting less than 6hrs and not once did anyone have to stop for me to go!!
7 weeks ago Id not have been able to go an hour on the bike and we go full over bumpy mountian roads too
We made love with out lube or condoms and it was fine didnt hurt to enter and only a bit tender and after for about hr felt bit sore
then nothing I defo though think wine may make it more iffy I havent been drinking over Easter cos of Motor bike breat test etc
Last night we went to pals Id Wine and orange today no pain but I do want to go to the loo and wanting to go again mins later
Some nights I put Vagi in and it slides in others it takes a bit some days I seem to be dry others not so OK no idea why that is
The hot flushes I was getting on Vagifem seem to have tapered off in the last week or so
same for the bad aches they seem to have almost gone when I think back bloody hell how I put up with the pain
As I said its not going to ever go I dont feel 100% ever mostly 100% for part of the day then 95% the rest but it will do me xx
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Glad to hear that it's helping a bit Suzi.
I couldn't manage 6 hours on a bike!
Bit personal, but any reason why you don't want to use lube?
I admit that I was a bit "shy" about using it - stupid when you are about to do something very intimate with someone you have been with for 25 years. I used to pop to bathroom, lube up, and back to bed.
Now I put a bit on OH, which he quite likes. I still find it a bit intrusive- "hang on while I just grab this bottle" but less intrusive than "hang on- this really hurts!"
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All on course for your holiday then Suzi ;D Glad it's working for you.
I've been nearly a week off it now and it's definitely aching and sore again and bladder is worse too.
Heigh ho, onward and upward!
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Mimi - it is strange, isn't it, that we can be much more daring with someone we hardly know rather than someone we have been with for a while. I have often wondered why that is :-\
Taz x
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Mimi - it is strange, isn't it, that we can be much more daring with someone we hardly know rather than someone we have been with for a while. I have often wondered why that is :-\
Taz x
Hmmm- maybe I should try sex with someone I hardly know!!
:diablo:
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Well it does has it's plus points :whist:
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Good Grief
After nearly 27yrs I am not sure whether other men have their bits in the same place as my OH ;D ;D
I really would not know where to start with another man. He knows me and I know him and starting again would be SCARY :o :o :o
Might be worth a go though but only if its someone like Johnny Depp. (Fat Chance)
Viv
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Good luck with Johnny Depp,Viv.
I'll most probably be left with his unattractive Friend, Fat Chance!
Maybe I should take my mind off the subject and go and jump my husband instead.
Now where did I put that Lube.... ;)
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All on course for your holiday then Suzi ;D Glad it's working for you.
I've been nearly a week off it now and it's definitely aching and sore again and bladder is worse too.
Heigh ho, onward and upward!
Sorry your sore again how long do you have to stay off Vagifem?
Didnt they offer something else?
If they didnt the swinesssss
Suzi Q
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Hi Suzi,
Got to stay off for a month, 3 months on, 1 month off seems to be my doc's standard advice.
Not too bad yesterday, better than day before anyway. Am occasionally just putting aqueous cream and taking lots of Vit E.
3 weeks to go!
Are you having an 'iffy' day?
Take care, thanks for writing :)
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Crescent - you should email the manufacturers and then print off their reply and take it to your doc. The guidelines changed some while ago and it is a shame for you to have to do without it and go backwards. They now say we can use it continuously for ever!
Taz x
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Thank God its not just me Taz I didnt like to say anything
Here in Ozz we are told (I checked again today) we can use it indef
My Avon lady Anne came around today shes on it like me every other night
Shes been on it all the time for 2 years???????
Why the diff Why the diif rules???
Suzi Q
Yes it does seem bloody stupid to me that it takes 6/7wks to get better
So you have another 6 weeks being well then its F again
AV or VA doesnt get better EVER it stays if you can keep it just in control thats all you can hope for
Thats why sometimes like today it gets you down knowing it will never go but hey in this case THERE is someone worse off not right!
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It is only recently that the UK advice has changed Suzi - and it is still only recommended to be used twice a week after the initial every night for two weeks.
Taz x
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Same here too but Gp says cos mine was so very bad severe he said
I know though I cant use it like this perm Im just going to do it till the weekend see how it goes then if its ok yesss
Im going back on the 17th (we go away on 21st) see if he can give me anything even Ortho to use on the days I cant use Vagifem
Suzi Q
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Hi suzi - I don't think you will able to use ortho on the days when you aren't using the vagifem as they contain the same amount of oestrogen so you will still be "overdosing" your system if you know what I mean. http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100001954.html is the ortho information and http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100002706.html is the vagifem information. Sorry :(
Taz x
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I use Ovestin and just spoken to Customer care at Organon Laboratories in Cambridge about usage.
In the paperwork with the cream it states that ' your doctor may want you to stop from time to time (every 2-3 months for a period of 4 weeks' I asked why it cannot be used continuosly like another similar product (Vagifem, but didn't say the name). He said it is only licensed to take it with a break ffrom treatment and only a doctor should make that decision whether a break will be needed. He said he could see my concern. He also said that it would also depend on the trials that were done on the other product, why you did not have to have a break from it.
I'm off to doctors next week to check as I have been using Ovestin for a while now and when I tried to stop I was in agony in 2 days so I know 4 weeks stoppage will be out of the question. If the doc wants me to take a break I may ask if I could go back on Vagifem this product seems to be less risky to me as I understand it if you can take it forever!!!
Confused Rebecca ;)
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Thanks ladies for advice on the Vagifem :) did print off some advice off about the change of advice, Taz and took it into doctors but she barely looked at it and said I still think the month off is advisable. As she's the one that signs off the prescriptions I felt a bit stuck as I don't want a stand up row about it. I was quite assertive though :(
I do have some Ovestin left over from last year but haven't used that, it's my emergency supply and it's sore but bearable at the moment.
I may email as you suggest Taz but they may say something like the other manufacturers have just said to Rebecca about your doctor making the decision.
Interesting about your phone call, Rebecca.
You know what bugs me is that we are (obviously) all quite intelligent women ;D And yet look at the trouble all of us are having getting ourselves sorted out, it's a minefield!!
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Hello All
I've suffered with v.bad dryness, loss of fat in the genital area and some vaginal atrophy. Currently I'm back on the Vagifem twice a week but I wanted to tell you all about an amazing product I've discovered, recommended on another board.
It's Vitamin E suppositories. ***NOT*** to be confused with Vitamin E capsules.
The suppositories are hard and bullet shaped and insert easily and they really do help with the dryness if you use every other day, along with the Vagifem.
The only drawback is that you can't buy them in the UK, I order online from America in boxes of 24, the brand is Carlson (google Vitamin E suppositories + Carlson) and I thoroughly recommend, I've tried so many things and spent a small fortune - but these DO work in terms of keeping things moisturised. Surprised that UK chemists / suppliers don't stock them, there would be such a great demand - me, I'd buy a shelf full!
I look on it that I'm moisturising my vag in the same way as I do my face!
Hope this helps some of you out there suffering with this awful meno symptom.
Night_Owl
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Very interesting, Night Owl - wonder if they are available in pharmacies in the US. I'm going over there in May so may have a look round for some.
Thanks for the info.
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You're v.welcome, Crescent.
I'm so impressed with this simple product. The suppositories also help keep things lubricated during intimacy.
Of course we're all different and the twice weekly use of Vagifem is obviously helping too (Ortho-Gynest didn't seem to produce results).
I never anticipated that I would have to work so hard using remedies to stop my vag from becoming unbearably uncomfortable - and susceptible to thrush and UTIs due to the massive changes. As I'm sure you all know, the more you keep it moisturised, the less likely it is to pick up infection.
The hospital consultant gynae I now see every three months hasn't mentioned having a break from Vagifem. (I'm on Estraderm patches 75mg + Utrogestan natural progesterone for 12 days pcm, so I am having the effect of the prog shedding the uterine lining.)
Hope you manage to find some Vit E suppositories in the US.
Night_Owl
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I've used the Vit E capsules inserted, I wonder what the difference is?
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Hi Night Owl
Do you use the Vit E supps on the same day as the Vagifem or on the "days off"?
And when you say suppository, are you popping them up your fanny or up your bum?
Sorry- what a rude question to ask someone you have just "met".... Hi My name's Mimi and I also suffer form dry Bits!
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As an aside, I would also say that if you're suffering a hideous (early) meno (as I have) then I would urge you to ask your GP for a referral to see a NHS gynae consultant specialist - and if you're not happy with the first one you see, then ask for a further referral and so on.
Strange how so many gynae consultants seem to be men - I prefer to talk to a female about the complexity of meno symptoms, how can a man even begin to relate?
In retrospect, I can now see that the various GPs I saw when I was at my lowest most vile ebb, only had general knowledge re: meno / HRT. Each woman's HRT requirement needs to be tailored - and this is something "General Practitioners" (as the name would suggest) do not have the expertise to administer. My GP admitted that she would never have thought of the current combination of HRT I am trying out. Admittedly I'm not great and restord on the HRT - but I'm still 100 times better than I was off it. The side effects have to be balanced against the benefits.
Every three months I have a 'treatment review' appointment with the gynae consultant. I keep a diary of the effects of the HRT, how I'm feeling etc etc, and then the treatment is reviewed / tweaked from there. I've been told that I can go on seeing the consultant until I find the right combination for my body chemistry.
GPs simply just don't know enough about this cr@p meno to treat the symptoms effectively.
Night_Owl
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Hi Anifanny - no definitely NOT vit E capsules - ***they don't work*** - the suppositories are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
Ingredients: coconut and palm oils and natural source vitamin E.
They are white, hard-ish and bullet shaped with one end pointy.
Hi Mimi - your post made me chuckle, please do ask away, am pleased to pass on this useful info that has really made a difference for me.
I use the suppositories on the "days off" from Vagifem - and they insert easily into the vagina, can easily push right up without an applicator and they disappear quite high up (or low as the case may be with my fast dropping bits).
Worth a try I'd say in the battle against the Dried Out Quim.
Gynae consultant also recommends Replens but I haven't tried yet as I like the natural suppositories.
Night_Owl
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The Dried Out Quim.
I'm going to start a Punk Band and call it that...
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Been reading up on the Vit E suppositories since N Owl mentioned them earlier, it seems that you can use them in either ie vagina or rectum :) Can't find them listed at pharmacies in the US so think I'll order some and have them sent to my family over there ready for when I arrive, won't tell them what they are ::) Am just praying that I get through this blinking month off Vagifem ok and don't get any infections as that is the original reason I went on it. The atrophy started after that.
As you say Night Owl, I am sure GPs knowledge isn't enough generally which is why mine is so insistent on the break. I've been off HRT for years now as I'm post meno, so don't really want to see a gynae.
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I read that on USA sites I think though Im not certain they use it
Cos HRT is so exy over there
But I suppose your will to try anything EXCEPT ME
Ive just looked I have a script for 1 and 2 rpts so 3x15!!!!!
Ive also got about 10 in a box
I have gone (mostly cos of TAZ) since Tuesday with out Vagifem and to be fair feel fine today
Maybe I was overdosing cos the last couple of days have been iffy
So I will put one in tonight which is the right dosage
Hugs Taz as ever Suzi Q :D
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Thanks for the hugs Suzi - was just worried about the oestogen bit as I know you have family history which stops you using full HRT.
Hope you have a good evening!
Taz x
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Glad you're managing with the Vagifem ok, Suzi. And well done on being a brave girl with the blood tests, fingers crossed :)
I'm considering getting a supply of the Vit E supps for the times I'm off the Vagifem.
Take care
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XXXX to Taz the constant consience (wrong sorry)
I just out it in and it glided in no problems so thank you yuor! (see my words back to front Bobbles just saw it)stiff talking made me wait and try to use it at the proper dose and it was OK
I do worry about the fam history I try not too but its theres buggar all more I can do could be worse I spose (I meant that) heheheh
HI Cres
Yes I was chuffed with little old 5/2 me today but bloody hell she took loads FBE and rpt Col and a heart thingy
All I bloody need now is next Saturday to be told something wrong with heart know what it wouldnt shock me either ahhhhhh
If your using that vit e sup go on a site USA one for Vulvodina just type in that so many ladies on there use VitE in the Vagina
Dont know if Id be brave enough myself but if I had to go back to how I felt nearly 8 weeks ago now i think Id top myself(not really)
Cant you rub whats left ofg the Ovestin down there at the opening? It will seep in a bit?
I dont understand my GP has given me in effectr 3x15? Why is uk so different and Ozz is not renowned for helping women at all?
Im thinking of you fingers crossed you feel betterish with it YES I mean to say bettererish hehehehe hugs to you both Suzi Q xxx
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funny you should say that about the Ovestin, Suzi, did that last night as it is very sore round the urethra and labia at the moment and it's only 10 days gone of my four weeks!
Won't get to try the Vit E things this month as will have to order them but think I might get some just to keep in case for the next time I have to have a break. Yes I got given 3 pks of the Vagifem so do have some in the drawer but if I use them then I'll run out before my repeat runs out if you see what I mean as she (the gp) knows how many she's given me and for how long.
Am going to email Vagifem (as Taz suggested) today and see what if any reply I get on the continuous use thing.
have a good weekend - I've just spent all morning at a playground with the grandson so I'm pooped already ;D
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well been trying to email Vagifem for advice on continuous use of the pessaries but can't get the form to work. It won't accept it without a valid US zip code and valid US phone number! Tried doing what I've managed to do before just putting the right number only zeros in but no go. Very frustrated!
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well been trying to email Vagifem for advice on continuous use of the pessaries but can't get the form to work. It won't accept it without a valid US zip code and valid US phone number! Tried doing what I've managed to do before just putting the right number only zeros in but no go. Very frustrated!
Anybody else that has sucessfully emailed them that could forward their reply to you?
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This is the information from the News section under the green menu http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/newsitem.php?recordID=83 Does it help or had you already read it?
Taz x
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Thanks Taz, yes had read that and that is what I printed out to take to the doctors.
I think she interprets that statement as meaning that Vagifem can now be prescribed long term and not just for three months in total, but not as meaning that it can be prescribed continuously long term, but still with breaks. Hope that makes sense?
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Oh right - now I understand!! I can see your problem. Having re-read it I can see that it could be interpreted in this way.Have you read this from the manufacturers of vagifem http://www.vagifem.com/pdf/Vagifem-PI-November09-Patient.pdf It seems to only say that you need to talk to your provider every three or six months as to whether you still need it. Sorry if this has already been covered!
Taz x
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Night Owl - Thankks for the info about the Carlson Vitamin E suppositories.
I googled them and found that most suppliers won't send them to the UK.
However, RESULT found this link on ebay for any other ladies that may be interested in trying them:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vitamin-E-Suppositories-12-supp-by-Carlson-Labs_W0QQitemZ360205584696QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item53dded0938#shId
Just ordered them and they are sending them to the UK for $8.99.
For the tablets and shipping - cost: £10.45
As I have VA, I will let everyone know gow I got on with them.
Rebecca ;)
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Yes Taz, I did look at that PDF and thought the same thing about the 3/6 months - I'm just a bit fed up with having to keep on trying to get the doctor to see it my way! Thanks for your input :)
Be interested to see how you get on with Vit E supps, Rebecca.
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Hi Ladies
they dont work all the time not for me and Ive looked on a few USA sites and it seem to be quite common
They work for the first 3/4 weeks almost instantly then you get good days and not so good days
So far Ive never had the horrific burning and dryness back the bladder problems quite weird
I go for a couple of days going what ppears to be normal
I will get a day like Thursday when all I wanted to do was wee like going back 8 weeks cos it was 8 weeks tonight I used the first one
Im also finding in the last week or so that the day after I use the vagifem its a bit achey down there and it leaks a bit
By the evening its fine then Ok next day then the 3rd day it starts to ache again and I cant describle it like a scratch
Ive gone back to using it every 3rd night and its Ok dont think its as good as those first few weeks though
Theres no pressure feeling anymore thats gone the burning wee gone but Im aware of my nether regions all the time
Thers always a little feeling even if its just a tiny tingle and my genitals well lets just say they are almost totaly shrunk now
I look so ugly down there not atractive in anyway shape or form Vagifem has allwed me to live a normal life again even have sex
But AV or VA will never ever go this is it but beleive me when I say im 10.000 % better than I was on Sunday Feb 14th Suzi Q :-*
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BUT ITS NOT GONE ITS STILL HERE
MY CLITORAS IS BURNING TODAY AND SORE WHY?
IVE been on a USA site and some of those poor wpmen test after test Gyny after Gyny
To be told AV and nothing some women sound so bad even at my worst days I still went to work
These ladies go back to bed most cant get Vagi the HMO they have Estrance seem to be USA prefered and god help you if its no good
But Id really hate anyone to think that being On Vagifem for me a 15 yr post meno and 2 yrs untreated AV has cured it cos it hasnt
Its not a brilliant day today yet I still rode the bike from 8am/2.30pm couldnt have done that 8 weeks ago but my fanny was sore!
Suzi Q
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Hi suzi - sorry you are suffering. Could our clit be burning because of the bike? Have you got a seam or something that could be putting pressure on? I know it sounds a daft question but if you are keeping up the same position for a few hours it could cause pressure.
Taz x
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I never know quite how to count being post meno, I came off HRT 10 years ago, so is that when I start being post?
Sorry it's still happening, Suzi, know just what you mean about clitoris area. On Friday mine was aching and burning there, then Sat it went off, wish I could find a reason for what triggers it but don't think that's possible.
I'm still counting the days till I go back on Vagifem :) Two weeks next Tuesday!
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Taz hiiiii maybe bike could OK cant spell this word but work with me acacabate it???? I know you know what I mean
I have a size larger than I need and a stretch ones they are falling off me they are Kevalr proper Bikers jeans in case you fall off!
Cres Post meno is after the 2 years with out a period my last ever one after 5 years on and off was Aug 1994
So by Aug 1996 I was oficialy post meno I had started taking HRT cream early 95 I was so dry and Id go months with out a period
I took the mini pill and the HRT cream had no problems at all I was Ok till Feb 2008 when I got a terrible itch it went away 2/3 wks
May 2008 got a urine infectuion and Thrush went away after 6 weeks or so Then it started in earnest September 2008
The burning every single day the opening was terrible I felt like I was sitting on marbles and the swelling was horrific
I went back and forth to Doctors who said I have this that and the other I felt like death but I kept working I think that saved me
Nov 2009 I stopped mini pill and Hrt cream and was 85% fine till Feb when finly I gave in and went to My old GP he put me on Vagifem
I had btests the lot have just had them redon again on Friday
Thats what my clitoras does and the inner part of the outer labia its soreish and burny but the vaginas TOUCH WOOD FINE
Yesterday it was Ok today Shite ao although Im sorry you have it Im glad its not just me I dont know either
Some days I think its drink BUT I only drink Friday and Sat nights and only sparkly
Then it might happen on a Wednesday ive not had a drink? I think it just happens
Im very tempted to put a vagi in tonight but I wont cos Taz might come and get me hehehehe SHE MAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
Sweetie if I could Id send them to you it will soon be over but next time you get them print out sheet I kow my GP may not be the best in the world But are all the ladies i know Ozzie GPs wrong cos none have been told to stop
Im hoping new 10micro will be out soon cos when it does I will ask if I can have both on the other hand though I dont want cancer
BUT on the other hand the life I lead from Feb 2008 till 15th Feb was no life not really I was just existing Cuddles to you both xxx
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Two years after last period, do you know I can't remember when that was! I think because at that time I was feeling pretty much ok, not brilliant, hot flushes etc but not enough to slow me down much, so I didn't really keep a note of timings. And of course the 9 yrs I was on HRT must change things I guess. That was from when I was 45 until 54 and I felt pretty good during that time. My real problems have only been the fainting attacks which were between 44 and 45, and then the UTIs and vaginal atrophy which didn't happen until I was 60. I did have headaches and tiredness etc but nothing too dramatic. I should have taken notes! ;D
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I go back to the last normal period Dec 16th 1987 I was 35
Next one was Feb 1988 reason I remember was I thought I was pregnant
From then onwards period went weird i had no pre meno symptoms at all none
Except for the dizzies which they treated and looked for a brain tumour and ended up saying Meniers
No one checked my blood for hormones that was Easter 1989 I blame knowone for that
I had bad moods more than normal I knew by 1991 that I was pre meno and was having flushes and a few aches
I just lived with it never went to the Doctors Aug 1994 the last time I saw a period I know this as I was in UK at my brothers
December 1995 i was a wreck reason I remember was I was at my neices wedding and Bobbles and my marriage was going south
My Vagina was dry I was almost physicaly violent in my tempers had headaches and was terribly depressed my Mum died too
I was put on Orthogy and the mini pill a couple of years later I changed to Ovestin and stayed with the pair of them till last November
So I was told to count myself as postmenopausal when Id seen no period for 2 years that was Aug 1996 so 16years next December
My real AV vag dryness didnt start till late 2008 so I dont think there is a time limit
Im dont know if taking the HRT cream in 1995 made any diff to timings or delays or symptoms
But I do know on Vagifem I have had HOT FLUSHES it says thats a side to them though?
I have a record Cres cos Ive kept a Diary for 25 years one thing I was good at in school and outside was DATES ergo HIstory xxx
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I tried Replens once OMG I had to go to the doctor. She said it looked like I had grown a mattress inside me, it had gone solid and was coming out in lumps (sorry if that was a bit too much information). Never again.
Tried Vagifem but for some reason they irritated my bladder so bad I stopped using them.
I use KY Jelly but this is only a instant fix.
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Ah Sticky, know that feeling. Wish I had read this last night prior to using a free sample of replens. Sheesh. Minging stuff isn't it. KY for me I think.
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Well nearly 3 months of Vagifem and have to say its improved dramaticaly beyond a shadow of dought but its not gone
I look back now and wonder how I coped all I know is this site ;listened gave me help and courage
Taz made me realise that my bits shrinking wasnt abnormal and GP said the same they still are even with Vagifem!
My days though are so much different though one thing is a bit scarey
Im not dry Im wet a s anything now but we made love 2 weeks ago and I paid for it for 3 days sore uncomfy slight burning
Yet when we did it it didnt hurt it was about 2 hours later then the irittation across the lower abdomen as if it had stired it all up
No blood no funny smell or discolouration it just ached and was sore so Im a bit scared to do it again in case it happens
But I have to cant go with out lovemaking so I will have to try next Sunday late in the arvo Vagi is in tonight (mon then again Fri)
Suzi Q :( :(
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well good that the Vagifem is still helping a lot, Suzi. good luck with the lovemaking :)
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Thanks got to give it a try
Who would have thought though the idea of lovemaking could ever become scarey
Sad or what?
Suzi Q :'(
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Suzi - I know that I have said this before and I am repeating myself - so a big sorry in advance! Are you sure that you haven't got a mild prolapse as well as the AV? It's just that your description of being sore and uncomfy across the tummy is just what it feels like when you have got a prolapse. Just think of what actually happens when you make love. The part of you that is falling into the vagina is getting banged and pushed around - it's bound to feel bruised afterwards.
Taz x :stretcher:
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Doctor says NO so what do you do?
I dont pee urgent anymore with Vagi I dont feel pressure anymore with Vagi
Except for the Vanishing bits and boy are the bloody vanishing
The slight soreness I get most mornings when I wee wee
the white type stuff over my clitoras (whats left that seems to be vanishing too?)
I feel fine Im walking 3klm a day my fanny is almost 100% every day now its never perfect
I also get the odd day when I want to wee wee a lot and dont get much in the way of relief
Other than that Im so much better a thousand times better than February
Maybe I do have one and its very high up but Ive read on other sites with AV sex does seem to irittate the insides
The walls now are paper thin so it stands to reason a big Lou Lou coming in going in and out will rub and cause sorness
Still Im a bit scared I want to do it to 1 get it over with and 2 see if it hurts GOD PLEASE let it not
Suzi Q
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Like the word 'Lou Lou', haven't heard that one before ;D
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Lou Lou for boys ;)
Dickey do da for girls :)
Much nice than PENIS AND VAGINA :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Suzi Q ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Dr Currie
I am a newbie and I am so excited about finding this site. I have been told I have AV and have been prescribed Vagifem but I am too scared to take it as I have heard so many stories about HRT and also what I have read about it and thought I had managed to escape taking it in any form. My period stopped when I was 50 (I am now 56) and since then I have felt fine. I tried to speak to my Doc about the Vagifem but he was pushed for time and I feel I am in limbo. I have been using Replens since I started feeling dry and this has usually helped but lately I have been suffering from thrush and having sex is an ordeal at present (1) because of the thrush and (2) because of the medication my husband is receiving his erection just goes floppy suddenly and this also causes me pain as instead of stopping he tries to continue. I am afraid I could just give up sex altogether and feel so confused as now my husband feels it is my fault. HELP!!
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Hi Roney
Its not your fault if your husbands Lou Lou deflates he evidently has a condition if hes taking medication
Men too as they get older dont have as hard an erection and pardon this please but they dont seem to dribble semen either :'(
Remember a few years back when they be dribbling before sex Ive asked a few lady pals and they concur so they get dry too >:(
As for AV and vagifem I can only tell you my experiance the pain dryness sore ache feeling of being punched down there :'(
Stinging wanting to we we all the time and I was on HRT cream Ovestin and the mini pills I went premeno at 36/37 end 43 :'(now56/57
After suffering for 18mnths in Februaruy I finaly went to my old GP and the kickers came off I said please LOOK he did :o
He wouldnt even give me an internal mind I think id a killed him hehehe >:(
Anyway 3mnths down the track all I can say is im a 100000000 times better than I was I still have the odd days
No burning or soreness though just a general outer vaginal ache and want to wee wee more than normal
The Vagifem I can honestly say helped with in 10 mins of the first aplicator but I was very bad severe in fact
Only you though can decide whats right for you I couldnt take HRT pills family histrory of heart problems
Good luck and really what have you to loose? :-\
Suzi Q ;)
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Hi Roney
Like you I didn't want to go down the HRT route but things got so dire.Couldn't enjoy a walk or sport beacasue of the pain and itching and constant wanting the loo.
Vagifem has transformed things... still odd itchy day but have to say I am no longer thinking about my AV. Quality of life is what I have now. Vagifem is also topical so much lower dose than pills or patches and delivered straight to wear it is needed.
Good luck whatever you decide.
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Hi RoneyC
I suffer from VA and did not like the idea of taking HRT but when the consultant said that I would have to take Vagifem probably for the rest of my life I was worried. But in the end the constant pain and bladder problems were takking over my life and not a day went by when I was not thinking of my VA :-\
The Consultant said that it was and extremely low dose and does not get into the blood stream like the 'full on' HRT, in the end I did not see any other choice really. As Suzi says, it is your body, your choice, I hope this helps.
Good luck......
Rebecca
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Rode 7hrs to Coffs Harbour in NSW on FRiday we live in Brisbane Qld
No sore fanny no weeing even though some of the roads werent the best
Had a great 2 days last night it was back to the Age of Aquarius loads of booze remained sober though OH YEEEEE NOT hehehe
Went home to hotel had fabo whoopity doo every way but which and NO WUKING PAIN nothing dinada and in like flyn
So to all and everyone TAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the VAGIFEMMMMMMM heheh
No not really do what makes you a happy chappy for me thank GOD for the man or women who invented Vagifem
I couldnt have done this trip be living this life with out it when I think back to FEB 13th my life was just F pain and depression
NOWWWWWWWWWWW OK so its not 100% but pretty close and you try riding a bike home like I did today my bum was burning
Fanny!!! fine just wee a bit all the bumping (I hope)
Suzi Q :-* ;D :D
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So glad it all getting better for you Suzi
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Well....this is my first time on a forum and I've finally found the courage to try Ortho-Gynest cream having had the prescription since December! My husband has been sooo supportive of me, but I've been suffering with dryness for ages & ages now. This has got to the point where sex is so sore (as in sandpaper vagina) which stops you wanting sex, to avoiding it, to avoiding any physical contact with my husband....just in case it might might just lead to sex. The dreaded dryness! History is menopause at 40, HRT for 12 years, off HRT for 5 years, hot flushes continue...aren't they just wonderful! but not as bad as they used to be! Only a few a day and then the night ones too! But it could be worse.....SO....
have tonight tried the cream for the first time! I will let you know how it goes....feeling optimistic....
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YIPPPEEE GARDEN GIRL
it will take a few weeks so dont have sex for a couple of weeks
Let your fanny heal inside and let the HRT cream work
AND maybe mid June it will be whooppyy dooo time and it will be nice
Suzi Q
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Welcome to RoneyC!
:welcomemm:
I have to admit, despite my nursing background, I was totally unprepared for this vaginal dryness malarky!
Especially since it's more than dryness- sometimes just lubricant isn't enough.
My symptoms aren't that bad, apart from when sex is involved.
I was determined not to have systemic HRT, but am OK about vagifem.
So far no side effects and my GP is enlightened enough not to insist on a regular break- I have just started into my fourth month.
This forum is absolutley Brill!
Oh- Suzi Q- put him down and give the poor man a rest!
Just cos your bits are feeling good, don't wear them out! :bed:
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nOOOOOOOOOOO hes a happy chappy when I can wake him that is hehehehe
He thinks its his biffy Chrimbo the lot but hes a tired little puppy dog
I think the LOU LOU is saying NOOOOOOOOO no more leave me alone get that dicky do da away from me
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm so confused cos I still think that a loulou should be female and a dickydoda male!
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That's what I thought too! :clapping:
Bixby x
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LOU LOU one thing
Dicky doo dah sneaky little thing
My Mum and her Mum called them that so I did its a family thing
As Miranada from SENCITY SAYS its my thing get over it hehehehehe
OH Im dying to see the film but not with BObbles
He offered on Sunday I said no its OK go on me jack jones Imagine him sitting next to me
Asking questions AHHHHHHHHHHHH
Suzi Q with the mazing Dicky doo dahh well it was before AV the buggar
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Vagifem for me, despite my gynae being against the idea due to a rare hormone receptive tumour. However, so little is absorbed that it shouldn't make a difference to tumour size and he has let me stay on it as it's making my life so much better - MRI has shown slight increase in tumour size tho recently, we are going to keep an eye of it just in case it is the vagifem making it grow
;D
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so vagifem since January and sex still impossible what to do next???
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The old dryness problem had a positive for me as it made me feel incredibly horny for the first time in years! ::) After being prescribed Vagifem by my Gp at least sex is comfy, but I'm still wanting more than I'm getting !!!!!!!!!! :-*
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Borchesterlass
If you find an answer, do let me know as I'm in the same boat! I also know that quite a few ladies on this site could also do with a break :-\ :-\
Rebecca ;)
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Hi all, havent' been on here for while. I'm still using the Ovestin cream x 3 a week (recommended is 2 but if I go down to 2 I don't think it does any good). Having penetrative sex isn't an issue for me since I don't have a partner but at least with the Ovestin I can achieve an orgasm. I'd bet I still have the sandpaper vagina tho, if I tried sex! I got a 'message' with my last prescription that the GP wanted to speak to me before he'd give me another script so I imagine he's wondering how I'm doing and whether I need a break. I think I might swap to Vagifem for a while. No doubt about it, without some form of topical oestrogen, orgasam is a thing of the past and I also notice a bit of itching and wanting to go to the loo a bit more often. I continue to hate the meno - mainly cos its robbed me of my sexual being and no one warned me. Grrrrrr >:(
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Nipping in here to say KY jelly helps Hubby and I - and if I'm itchy down there he gently applies some, it's soothing and keeps the area supple
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Glad KY jelly works for you CLKD - it stings like hell hours for me after I have had my smear done :( >:(
I must be so sensitive down there ::)
Rebecca
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I can't use KY either....nasty stuff for me!
Extra virgin coconut oil for me...I swear by it :)
Catherine x
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Catherine - where do you buy coconut oil from? How do you apply it?
Hope you don't mind the inquiry!
I ordered some Vitamin E capsules from the US on Ebay but they got lost in the post ::)
Rebecca
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Catherine
I notice that it says to use it on the 'outside' of the body. Do you think it is safe to use internally?
Rebecca
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Catherine
I notice that it says to use it on the 'outside' of the body. Do you think it is safe to use internally?
Rebecca
I use it internally...and many many others do the same. It's just not branded as a sexual lubricant...or it would probably be a lot more expensive. If you Google "Coconut oil as sexual lubricant" you'll come across lots of folks on other forums and such who use it for this purpose. It's a 100% natural product with no sugars that would cause problems inside. I've been using it for the last year actually. If it wasn't for the vaginal atrophy that I have...it would be unecessary for me to use estrogen. In the past I was plagued with bouts of thrush and bacterial vaginosis even....but i've never had a single problem since I started using this stuff. It actively discourages thrush and has antifungal, antioxidant and antibacterial properties.
I cant use any kind of glycerin based lube as it causes me thrush...like KY and stuff like that. The water based ones have no real staying power and have to keep applying them. Silicon based ones usually have additives that cause me probs also. This stuff has really been a godsend and to be honest, having fun applying it to both of us really adds to the whole foreplay experience for us.
I can only talk of my personal experience....but there are loads of other folks on t'internet who've found that it helps them too.
Catherine x
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I found a lubricant called Super Slik on ebay ( google lubricants) It's far superior to K-Y , not watery and you use far less, plus it's far cheaper even with postage.
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Hi Dr heather
Ive been having problems for 7 years now since having my hysterectomy and nothing seems to have worked with me tried everything creams you name it.my skin well shell I say skin for what Ive got left of it thining of the skin.The skin tonight was really bleeding and so sore I just felt like crying.Ive bought sylk and its really good for the ph balance.but tonight Ive had a big flare up was so itchy and I can.t scratch it cos my skin is so thin it will bleed.
sonia
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Hi Sonia - I think that a lot of us on here have found that HRT is the only answer for the dryness you describe. I know you have tried it a couple of times before but how long did you give it? There are lots of different ones to try. I have friends on HRT who have lost weight and others who have gained weight. I have gained a stone over the past couple of years since being on HRT but, looking at friends who are not on HRT and have also changed shape and weight like me, I have decided that I would have ended up heavier anyway. I am a lot like my mum in shape and weight when she was my age (56).
It sounds as if the vaginal atrophy is causing you a lot of misery - I would say reconsider your HRT decision - if your GP is willing to prescribe it.
Taz :hug:
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HI Sonia
Id say useing Vagifem it took 21 days of every day (my doc said 21 as i was so bad)
Then every other day for 2 weeks then the normal regime Id say it took 3 months before SEXXXXXXXXXXXX yipppeeee
Its still a bit hard to enter but after that its more or less the same as it used to be
I dont know if its the Vagifem or if the Vagifems made me work inside and to be honest I dont bloody care
For me its worked and thats all that matters BUT I keep adding and I will always do
Vagifem isnt a cure it helps ease the symptoms some ladies say it helps with loads of other things but fanny is still dry?
This is a situation Id be back to GP saying OK feel better etc but still dry see whats out there
I only use Vagifem nothing else no pills no gells Im now 57 Id be coming off HRT now if Id gone over normal time chat read OK :D
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Plenty of saliva! The bestcure!
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Hi ferry - welcome to the forum :)
I think that plenty of saliva would be a wonderful cure if it worked. We are not talking about just dryness though. Vaginal dryness caused by lack of oestrogen leads to shrinkage of the vaginal walls and so to splitting of the skin. It is extremely painful and makes sex impossible - not just sex but even walking can cause bleeding and great pain. It also affects the bladder and especially the urethra. The surprising thing is... you don't really hear anything about this part of meno until you start suffering from it. :(
It is nice to meet you though - where are you on the meno journey?
Taz x :)
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Taz is right. When your skin becomes so thin and fragile that it splits and bleeds when you simply wash it then I'm afraid no amount of saliva will help.
I had no idea that this would happen in meno. Thank God for Ovestin cream!
Welcome to the forum by the way :welcomemm:
Catweazle x
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Hope the Vagifem works, larkrise but great that you're talking about the problem. And you're right, there are lots of other ways to make love - we often use other "methods" (and always have) and it's great ;D
Bixby x
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Larkrise, i've just started on vagifem too, i've used 5 tabs, i find it actually quite uncomfortable to put them in, but i'm heading for a period so maybe a bit tender, trying to use as many as poss before period comes, don't like the though of both at the same time. However the benefits are starting to show, i feel alive down there, the silly things you don't notice.
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Larkrise, i've just started on vagifem too, i've used 5 tabs, i find it actually quite uncomfortable to put them in, but i'm heading for a period so maybe a bit tender, trying to use as many as poss before period comes, don't like the though of both at the same time. However the benefits are starting to show, i feel alive down there, the silly things you don't notice.
Eddie...pop a wee bit of lube on your finger and insert it before you use the Vagifem...that'll help you insert the applicator better.
Catherine x
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Thing is, i'm not dry. The applicator seems to hurt when taken out, but it doesn't come out dry? I did get the coconut oil. No connection intended here.
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hmmmm...maybe the applicators then? Maybe the edge was a wee bit rough or something. I've never used Vagifem myself...I use the Ortho Gynest pessaries.
Catherine x
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I'm sure it will get better, obviously there is a problem there, hoping this is going to sort it.
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HI Lark
my GP said to give it till the full 2 weeks or in my case 3 weeks was over
He said let the insides heal get well again before sex
He said if you broke your leg and tha plaster came off youd not be dancing that night
Give it time dont rush cos then if it hurts you will say its not working
My advice WAIT wait till the feelings come back and let your body and mind heal
Suzi Q
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When I first started noticing it, I used lube, which helped a bit - then I bought some ben wah balls.
I hadnt used these for years, but weraring them regularly certainly resolved the problem.
Added bonus, the kegel excercises also resulted in lots fewer sudden rushes for the loo, which I'd noticed a lot, especially on waking in the morning.
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That's interesting, i take it these "balls" strengthen the pelvic muscle?
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Hi Eddie
yes, they excercise and therefore strengthen the pelvic muscles - and provide stimulation, thus counteracting the dryness.
Donna
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Hi Donna - sorry to disagree but with vaginal dryness/atrophy no amount of exercises will put it right. It is to do with the amount of oestrogen in the body. A lack of oestrogen depletes the collagen. Exercises are good to do of course - wonderful for the pelvic floor - but they won't help with splitting skin and the razor-blade feeling every time you have intercourse. How far through meno are you if you don't mind me asking?
Taz x :)
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That's ok Larkrise - I remember inspecting OH the first time it happened feeling sure that he had grown some horrible protuberance ;D ;D
taz x
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The only thing that worked for me was Vagifem. This totally "cured" it within a week but you obviously have to use it longterm as it will become a problem again once you stop.
Taz x
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Hope it works well for you :)
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Hi all
Just passing and thought I'd put a note of what my gynae recently highlighted again - that is, NOT to use soap at all and wash with aqueous cream (available cheaply from Boots). Obviously that's just one small adjustment and alone wouldn't make any difference - In addition ....
In the battle against the dried up quim I use: HRT (patch plus tablet prog), Vagifem twice weekly, flax oil (two teaspoons a day) + vitamin E pessaries. It all seems to work well together in keeping the hideous dryness at bay - and I'm able to have regular pain free sex - but I have to keep up the regime, otherwise the sandpaper effect will return - it's a constant battle and hard work.
Hope this is of some help.
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HiNightowl
with regard to your last post, where did you get the vitamin E pessaries from. My vaginal dryness has suddenly got worse. HRT doesnt make any difference and I'm using YES lubricant but I'm getting fed up of having to stop TWICE during sex to relub :-\
I was looking for something that was non toxic and fairly natural and saw your post and liked the idea of the pessaries. i'll probably have to see the GP for some vaginal oestrogen but found last time that it took a very long time to work and now the situation is worse than ever :'(. Hell you have to laugh or you'd cry
Thanks
Anne aka john wayne ;D
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Hi Larkrise
I use twice a week, have been for over a year, in my experience it has been really good. Sometimes I still use lube but not always.
Hope it works ok for you
Ann
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I've been using this vagifem every day now for two weeks, and i'm jusy going to start the twice weekly routine, like you lark i'm hoping i don't start going downhill now. I'm not convinced all symptoms are better yet, still need time prob. Eddie
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It's ok larkrise you don't have to worry about any absorption of oestrogen from the vagifem. They dissolve straight into your tissue. I cleared this with my Doc, my gynae and also the menoclinic.
Taz x
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I've never bought condoms. EVER. :D
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Dont worry Lark
I did the same thing you should have seen my Bobbles face :-\ >:(
Not a happy Camper OK so I was wrong I later found out :-*
It says somewhere to wait 12 after insertion for Oral sex HMMMMMM
So I just recon same goes for every day whoopity doo
Mine did fall out one time I put it in and a few moments later went for a weee and I saw it in the pan
So I now make sure I dont weeeee for at least a couple of hours
Vagifem is working sex is almost pain free its just after its a bit sore for an hour or 5
Even then its not every time but its taken since February mind I was BAD
Suzi Q
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Hi Pammie,
Think some people do find Vagifem a help with bladder frequency etc. Can't say I have noticed much difference but I went on Vagifem following problems with cystitis, so at the same time I increased the amount of water etc I drink in a day so it isn't really a good test.
I do have stress/urge incontinence problems (oh the joys of being anonymous :) ) so do sympathise.
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Hi Pammie - have you had a look at the "bladder matters" section in the green menu on the left of the screen. There may be some info there.
Taz :welcomemm:
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There you go, Pammie, Larkrise seems to be seeing some improvement so it obviously does have an effect. It is reckoned that 6 - 8 times a day going to the loo is 'normal' apparently. I average 8 or 9.
Referring back to the pelvic floor subject, I went to see a physio about mine and apparently it's pretty good. She said she scores from 1 - 5, with 1 being bad, 5 excellent and mine was a 4! I was amazed as had assumed it was rubbish hence my problem.
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Crescent, How did physio score your pelvic floor? Eddie
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Mine was a 4 when I started seeing the continence advisory clinic and we got it up to a 5 by the time I finished. However, I still have stress incontinence as this is due to a weak bladder neck and no amount of pelvic floor exercises will solve the problem. I do find though that if I am about to sneeze then I can really pull up the bladder and stop the leakage.
I got my score by being connected up to a computer which shows how strong your muscles are when you pull the pelvic floor up. I really enjoyed watching the screen ;D
Taz x
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Is there a probe involved ;)
Dont see how it could work otherwise.
Viv
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Mine wasn't scored as technically as Taz's :) She just did an internal and got me to tighten my pelvic floor in different positions and then I guess just gave the score based on her experience. She's been doing the job a long time.
Well done on getting it up to 5, Taz. I'm supposed to be doing pelvic floor exercises 4 times a day standing up and I find it incredibly hard and also forget ::)
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Was it a referral for bladder weakness?
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I am 3 days in with the Vagifem and feeling a bit less sore.
Has anyone else found they have a bit of a white discharge when the are using them?
I think I am putting them in far enough, any higher and they would be coming out my nose.
Viv
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vagifem realy helped my frequent trips to the loo, especially during the night. Now have another problem went swimming and really seems to have buggered up all the benefits from vagifem. (Have been on vagifem since feb). Does anyone else notice this? i have been recommended to swim because I have a shoulder injury otherwise I can live without swimming.
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Well I referred myself, Eddie - I have been doing the exercises and wanted to check if I was doing things right. so booked a private appt, couldn't face another trip and conversation with the gp.
And sorry don't know about the swimming, BL, could it be the chlorine that you're reacting to? I'm presuming that you're feeling sore again?
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Viv, I found that from about day 12 of 14 that i did get a discharge, just white though. I also still feel really pudgy inside, and a bit tendet when inserting the applicator, also outside i feel a bit rough, like my underwear is rubbing away. I'm sure it will improve. Eddie. x
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Vagifem worked for me a treat
Stopped weweing almost first day
I have off days still but its nothing like it was in fact its hard to remember how bad it was
Except I keep a diary and I look back I still get scared to go for a wee even now
It became an obsession with me and I d see how long I could hold it in NOT A GOOD THING
Hope this helps
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Hi Pammie
Welcome to the forum :welcomemm:
I use Ovestin cream rather than vagifem but your post has made me realise that I no longer check out toilet facilities wherever I go! On outings or day trips the first thing I used to do was check out where the loos were but now I hardly ever need to use them. I still get up once a night but that's no problem at all.
I hope the Vagifem sorts you out.
Catweazle x
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Are we meant to keep count - I have no idea how many times.. now let me think.... twice I reckon. Mind you when I am working (school hols at the minute) I go when I leave the house at 8 and then often don't go again till I get back at 4.30. Must drink more :drunk:
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I get a white watery type of disharge the day after I put the Vagifem in that continues all the time now but its only light
I use mine Sunday and Thursday disharge I asked GP he said Vagifem
I think its trying to get the old ladies dish working again
Cos it is a lubricant for me anyway I dont need Lube of any kind
The Vagifem is enough for me to do all and anything hehehehe
Its odd though Taz my right labias stopped shrinking and my right side of my hood
But the left side has almost shrunk to nothing and the left side of the hoods smaller than the right
IF I ever get any soreness now down there its always the left side
I have a Theory that my right ovary must still be sending out some hormones the left abso nothing
It does look funny though one labia viasable the other minute :-*
I too kept and still count on how many times a day I go I cant seem to stop OCD
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I'm the same as you Lark. Not examined inside though. :o
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If its been bad some GPs say to use it every day for 3 weeks mine did
I then went for another 2 weeks every second night
Im down to Sunday and Thursday
But if I get a really iffy weird day which I have had a few times
They usually are days when my openings soreish stingy feeling no pain though and need to wee wee a bit more and its warmish
Then I put one in I dont stress over it
The fuller explanation on Vagifem says it can take up to 6 months to feel really good
I felt better almost asap but I didnt take a chance even so I still get the odd day but nothing like it used to be
I also now have got the HOT FLUSHES BACK plus the PMT Jangly nerves and moody bum days
Thats all though as I havent had a period since 1994
I started Vagifem Valentines day this year and boy was it a present heheheheh :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Follow the leaflet if it says 2 weeks then do it 2 weeks
Unless the Gp said only 1 week
The 2 times a week are really 2 times in 7 days I chose Thursday and Sunday
Thursday cos could make love Fri Sat or Sun then Sunday as Im usually dry as by then heheheheh
Cant you ring the Gp and say the leaflet says every night for 2 weeks he maybe wasnt up to the moment on it?
Why wait till the 18 thats 2 weeks tomorrow dont suffer :-*
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My label said as advised. So i just followed the insert and did it for 2 weeks.
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Good on you Pam :)
Stick to your guns! I don't understand the whole mental blockage that some docs have about HRT of any kind. You can also ask to be referred to a meno clinic if you'd prefer that. If you click on the "find a specialist" info bar at the top of the page you should find something near to your area.
Would love to see your female doc just putting up with these problems in her own "bits" ::)
Catherine x
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Thanks for the encouragement WR :).
Pam x
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Best of luck, Pammie.
Do sympathise as my doctor did prescribe me Vagifem (not her suggestion, I found out about it from here!) but still insists I should have a month's break every 3 months even though the advice has now changed. I have tried arguing and taking the print out off this site but to no avail so far :( Very frustrating >:(
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Yes, it definitely does make you more prone to cystitis and infection as the dry skin can become fragile and easily irritated or damaged by sex or acidic urine etc....
Cranberry juice unfortunately upsets my bladder big time, but I drink plenty of water and have dried cranberries instead. A tip - use plenty of lubricant at intimate moments....
What intimate moments :'( Have an atrophic vagina (lucky me) and am on my second round of Vagifem. It worked the first time and hubby and I were thrilled :-* but it is very expensive and not on any insurance here in BC. I tried to use less and OMG, bad move ! Anyway, am post-menopausal and weight gain and THIS seem to be my major problems, oh, and mood swings and facial hair AND......So I will continue with the Vagifem and see what happens as I will not try anything else. Too chicken ! Anyone else try the Premarin Cream and the Provera pill? I was told you could just put a dot on your fingertips and that would help but then where do you put your fingers? :lol: It's all good ladies :tulips2:
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Are you living in canada? Just been there for three week holiday and couldn't even get paracetomol out there!So can understand why Vagifem could be a problem. worth getting it though as it really does work wonders on the Av. I can walk without pain now and no longer have every toilet marked on a map! Still not sure about the sex bit though . Still haven't had enough confidence to go there.
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I don't know - Mine used to go in right up to the hilt though I had to wiggle it around a bit to go past the slight prolapse which I have.
Taz x
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Pammie perhaps you might be a little shorter than average down there? ??? Well we're all different aren't we? ;)
I must admit I have to wiggle my ovestin applicator around a bit to get it right in. I suppose that means my innards are prolapsing too! ::)
Oh the joys of getting older...
Catweazle x
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Prolapsing innards - that made me think of a turkey but I don't know why ;D Anyone for stuffing? :meltdown:
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:lol:
Best not mention that to hubby - might put him off - for good!
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I have to wiggle mines too, maybe more like push things out the way. Hoping it's not a prolapse, but i'm going to get a check hopefully tomorrow.
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I think that a high percentage of women do get a slight prolapse of some kind or another - my doc didn't even mention mine to me. After the gynae told me I had one I queried this with the doc and she said "it's normal really at your age".
Taz x :D
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Can't stop thinking about Mr Bean's Christmas turkey scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0m_o2gxbsU
Although that'll be me getting my smear, shouldn't laugh.
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It's good to be of help. I'll just have to not laugh when having my smear! ;D
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Right I evedently dont have a prolapse of any sort I thought I might have
My Vagifem aplicator goes in straight as a die like BUTTER in like Flyn right to the hilt
Theres nothing in the way no wiggling just one two 3 in and out
As for 3 month break to me thats like a binge drinker drink madly then stop
My baby brother died 6 years ago from that the Specialist said thats worse than good old fashioned alcy more damage done
If your GP is so determined against all written medical advise not to give you Vagifem unless you have a break BIN HER
As for the cost of Vagifem in Canada dont eat takeaways dont go to the pictures give up things
Cos the pain is so bad that Id have willingly sold my soul to the devil to get rid of the pain
Vagifem for me has worked my worry is that like all things it has a life and one day it will stop working :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Can't get a smear until Friday now, this itching is killing me, don't want to take anything for it tell after smear, i've kept on with the v/fem though.
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Good girl dont give up
Im sure GP will sort it out
Suzi Q
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I am entering my 4th week now with VF and I have an appointment next week with the GP. I am going to ask if I can stay with it for ever and ever, at the moment it is wonderful to feel comfortable. Can't wait till the weekend to see if it helps with (http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/sex/t1520.gif)
I remember the first time 4 weeks after I started with Vagifem
It hurt a bit OK so more than a bit to enter but once in and comfy YIPPEEEEE
Ive found out I cant go so long as we used to Bobbles has said to me after 10mins or so he can feel me start to dry as he moves
Thats why I chose Thursday and Sunday as my 2 days so SEX is zippety doo dah Make sure LOVE is Friday Sat and if IM a pig Sunday
GOOOODDD LUCK HAVE A BALL OHHHH I made a joke hehehe
Candles wine NA forget it just say get your undies off here I am hehehe in all my GLORY xxxxxx ENJOY xxxx
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Hello ladies, from across the pond in NY state! I came upon this entertaining and informative forum while searching for info about Vagifem. My gynocologist gave me some samples to combat my initial complaint about ongoing bladder inflammation - which like others here does not always test as a UTI. She explained that menopausal dryness can cause the bladder problems too.
I am 49 and have been in menopause for a few years now; since I have not been blessed with a sex partner/playmate for 2 years ago my libido has gone to sleep. It does wake up when a guy is in the picture but there hasn't been one lately. So dryness is kind of off of my radar.
It seems like I have to do SOMETHING. I'm tired of feeling AWARE of my bladder - I mean, I don't even want to feel the elastic on my panties on my belly longer than I have to on a given day! (Since I also have diverticulitis I am so aware of everything below-the-belt.)
Anyway I am scared of taking the plunge with the Vagifem (literally and emotionally!) but this forum is making me feel like it might be the right thing. I've never in my life taken hormones - never went on The Pill. I'm always afraid of side effects.
Wish me luck & thanks!!!
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Hi Marian
:welcomemm:
Have you checked out the sister site? Click on "Bladder Matters"in the Green Menu on the left - might have some useful info for you.
Bixby x
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Hi Marian from NY, vagifem has really sorted out my bladder problems. I was weeing three times a night and god knows how many times during the day . I didn't want to go near HRT at all but this product is exceptional.
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Thank you ladies, I'll let you know how it goes with the Vagifem!
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Hello from me too. I one of the Scottish ladies on here. Hope you respond well to the Vagifem, i've found lots of relief of various normal symptoms with it. Eddie. x
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For World Menopause Day, the International Menopause Society is seeking women with vaginal dryness for a press conference in London on the 7th October.
See the link below for more info.
http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=8023.msg133784#msg133784
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There's a really good information leaflet you can download.
It's a PDF file, 4 pages long and about 4Mb, entitled "Vaginal atrophy - a change with the menopause".
http://www.imsociety.org/downloads/world_menopause_day_2010/patient_leaflet_english.pdf
There are also other language versions in the download directory at:
http://www.imsociety.org/downloads/world_menopause_day_2010/
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Vaginal Dryness...Out of all the things that go with the menopause this for me has to be the worst of them all.I was advised by a doctor to use KY Jelly But it just didn't cut the mustard for me.So I plucked up the courage to go ask in Boots about what products i could use to treat it and I now use Replens MD and I haven't looked back.Its really worked for me,But now i'm also on HRT so i feel that is helping matters there too. :)
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Further to the downloads mentioned above, there is also a Powerpoint slide set available.
The slide set summarizes information about vaginal health, the symptoms, causes and management of vaginal atrophy.
Download the slide set here (http://www.imsociety.org/downloads/world_menopause_day_2010/slides.ppt).
See more info at
http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=7625.15
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Vaginal Dryness...Out of all the things that go with the menopause this for me has to be the worst of them all.I was advised by a doctor to use KY Jelly But it just didn't cut the mustard for me.So I plucked up the courage to go ask in Boots about what products i could use to treat it and I now use Replens MD and I haven't looked back.Its really worked for me,But now i'm also on HRT so i feel that is helping matters there too. :)
Vaginal Dryness is terrible Vagifem has made sex almost like it was but never spontan dont think those days are over
For me scarey part of all this is the outer genitalia has almost vanished disolving in to the skin I look deformed down there
IM 57 its been happening for the last 2 years Ive no inner labias to speak of and my clitoral hoods and the sides to it are miniscule
I worry that it wont stop and I will be left with my clittoral exspeosed and that too seems to be sinking
All the GPS said the same age and meno at 37 fates against me what if their penis and testicles started to shrivel and shrink?
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After a hysterectomy and removal of ovaries I was thrown head first into the menopause at 47, up to then had no symptoms. Doctors put me onto HRT and after a couple of months I decided the risk was far too much, which consequently I know now was the right decision after my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer. Anyway I digress, I was in a new relationship with a younger man, and about 4 years into the menopause I started to get water infections, thrush, vaginal dryness and sex became painful, yes I agree about the sand paper!, but it got worse and it was agony at times, and always an infection after. I have a wonderful female doctor, who is my age, (55 now) who understood and put me onto Estriol cream, but explained still some risks with that, but much less. After using this cream now for over 3 years, I have managed to reduce the dosage to once a week, and half the dose, but use petroleum jelly for hanky panky lol. This seems to work, occasionally I forget to use the cream, last time I forgot for a few weeks and ended up with cystitus again. I always remember my mother telling me that after a hysterectomy she could not bear sex any more, it was painful and she kept getting cystitus, obviously she was suffering the same as me, but her gp did not give the advice I got, or maybe it just was not known then. Mum was convinced they had sewn her up too tight, poor dads sex life ended for good.
For those wondering if the cream will work, well it has for me, I have never encountered any pain, discomfort etc, but have noticed a few red tiny spots appearing, so am going to go see my lovely gp and see if I should come off it, and try something else now.
As for the hot flushes, I found that all the natural remedies didnt work for me, tried all sorts, until I was told about Soya Isoflavones, 500mg, Holland and Barrett in UK sell them, and they work for me, tried stopping them to see if it was all over, they came back with a vengence after a month, those night sweats are the worst!!!! Interesting if I eat salted peanuts I have night sweats???
Lastly how long does it last? My nana died aged 72 and was still having hot flushes - arghhhhhhh!!!!!!!
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Hi Hotflushflossie - welcome to the forum from me.
Thanks for such a positive post. You will fit in well here, I can tell!! Have a good browse around. You will find lots of support and help on here and there is always someone to listen.
You may like to introduce yourself under New Members as it is easy to get missed and lots of members will want to welcome you.
Taz x
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:welcomemm:
Suzi Q
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was surprised just how arrid my old friend became...have used some lubes for sex but its that dry gaping feeling that saddens me...just said to friend the other day... I could now wear my knickers for a week!!!!! though if "bladder" joins in the melee that may not be viable....oh what a toodoo..
Will maybe try some of ur advice on forum.
Sex quite painful as well. And not such a satisfying orgasm. lot of work..little return..u know like sitting :'( on loo and only pass wind bit disappointing. :'(
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Hi Lubi loo - welcome to the forum and what a great first post ;D
Seriously, though, vaginal dryness is very uncomfortable and the poor quality orgasms are so, so annoying! It can be just like a little flicker or shiver and that's that - don't you find? Are you on any type of HRT? Vagifem or Ovestin cream are good products but only available on prescription. I am 57 and now need both HRT and Vagifem to keep everything ok.
You may like to introduce yourself on the New Members thread so that more can welcome you. Have a good look around - I am sure you will fit in here just fine.
Taz x
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Thank u Taz2 I will be working my way through the forum...I need some sort of PC sat nav..not just vagina a gaping hole ,my brain seems to have dried up as well..will invest time in finding newbie section...and intro myself to the rest of the "wise ones" thats how i liketo see us mature ladies..though sometimes "wizened" feels more appropriate....I feel like i have entered the decade of decay..but i will fight it....and win. ;)
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LUBIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HIYA
from one flappy fanny to another HI BABE
Isnt it a shocker that feeling of being WIDE open down there its hard to explain isnt it?
Gaping hole I presume you mean the old inner labias are fast shrinking too yes?
Didnt associate the gaping hole till I realised that the inner labias had been so long that they almost went to the bottom hole
HAD vanished to a teeny flap and all the rest was buck naked
I got so much help on this site for AV and got nagged at by var LOVELY LADIES cos I was S ... scared to go GP
A year ago next Sunday I used the first Vagifem to say my life changed would be an understatment
Ive been to Paris Rome Venice and England since I started vagifem made love everywhere
This time last years SEX was just something I did but F it hurt give it a try OK
Suzi Q
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;) yip u got it Suzie...i had a shuffty with the mirror and swear i could see all the way to my tonsils..not sure if need gyne or ent ... vagifem will google and give it all great thought..so did that help with weakend orgasms? or just lube? K
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In one way thats good news Lubi loo - if you can see right to your tonsils it means you don't have a prolapse!
Taz x ;D
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If you cant see anything falling out or a lump at the opening (thats right yes Taz?)
It is funny though to kow that the reason why you can see everything is cos it used to be covered by the inner labias
Now you look and theres nothing there except the opening OH a few glands etc but Im pretty certain I dont have prolapse
Only cos the Vagifem goes in asap as does the old LOU LOU no problems there thank god hehehehe
Tell you another thing I can see now is my epesiotomy couldnt see it before cos of the labias now they are gone I can see the scar!
Still rather have the labias than a flappy fanny oxymoron I kow theres nothing to flap but thats how it seemed to start feeling open!
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Well I am about to start my "serenity" so heres hoping my badly packed kebab responds ....
I have surfed and read and have stopped all the natural meno stuff also my soya as im vegi and done soy milk....now it may be a coincidence but no migraines..................I realise i was always eostro heavy, fybroids heavy painful periods etc I bled for 26 days towel and tampon every hour bloodcount so low in Aug this year i thought i was just going to empty and die and risatriptan for migraine every day and now realise i was pumping in more eostrogen as well .
Must admit i am how flushing and sweating..but....I dont care i can sweat burn get moody go through 8 pack of batteries to get an orgasm i really dont care...i can function. My migraines had reached the point that i was feeling desperate. really desperate.
So if they go please God..I can live and function.
Hoping this isnt premature rejoicing..but,,no risatriptan ...now for over a week!!!!!!!!!!!!! few headaches but thats a dawdle.
Keeping fingers crossed. if not legs...lol
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Doctor Currie
I didnt actually realise that vaginal dryness was a sign of the meno. I have certainly noticed it over the past few months ( and sure hubby has too) and I will definitely try the remedies/ helps you suggested.
Thanks you
PG
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Hi Taz
how do you take Vagifem? After reading all the advice on this site am off to doc next week (first available appointment.......) and just want to know what I will ask about. She is a truculent argumentative old mare is my doctor so I need to go armed with info to persuade her to let me try it. I am certainly going to tell her about this site AND about all the helpful advice from you ladies. ( Hope to God she doesnt insist on an internal!)
Will keep you posted
PG
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Look on the vagifem site just type in Vagifem
Get the treatment page and print it out
Its a teeny weeny pressarie at the top of the aplicator its fixed in there but you can see it
The aplicator is the size of a pencil in circimferance at the ends a tiny pellet so its all very thin and easy to insert
You put the aplicattor in as far as you can then depress the top and the pellet sticks to the inside of your vaginal walls
Its absorbed and helps brings the fanny back to tickety boo health
You take it every night for 2 weeks then 2 times in 7 days I do Sunday and Thursday
You can take it now with out a break ie rpt scripts they come in pks of 15
If you dont want an internal no GP can make you have one and can not refuse treatment they cant discriminate
Lots of Asian ladies WONT have them and they get treated I just said NO to my GP he gave me them
Good luck Vagifems the best thing Dont let her fob you off with Ovestin its a cream its so messy and it falls out plus app is HUGE
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I will definitely ask The Old Doc for it then - once I've stopped sniggering at Suzi Q's description ie "restoring the fanny back to tickety boo health" Ha! I cant wait!
PG
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Hi Wise Women,
My first post...........and what a subject.
I can't believe that what you have described on here is EXACTLY how it feels for me. I'm lucky enough to have a younger guy, been together 5 years, and I was actually quietly considering that maybe I should end the relationship as what was great to start with, was now so painful, and he had to edge his way in according to my gasps, clenched teeth, not to mention the constant top up of KY........
Today, I registered with a brand new doctor, and had to have the customery mini appointment with the Practice Nurse. I skipped out of her room, FINALLY found someone who actually listened, and HEARD what I was saying,
so after about 3 years of ouch, ouch, sex, I felt comfortable enough to ask for 'something' to stop the burning, and the bracing....... for the wrong reasons !
She's suggested Vagifem, and so I've been reading up about it. You all sound so positive on here, and I now feel really stupid for not asking for help before, but I had an older male grumpy doctor, and so, kept quiet.
PLEASE REASSURE ME IT 'SHOULD' WORK !
One question, that I can't find the answer to. Whilst I wouldn't imagine I'd be 'at it' 7 nights in a row, can you use the pessaries while you are getting up close and personal, or should you not do it when you first start to use them? I have a bit of a long distance relationship, but will be seeing a bit of action at the end of this month. Nurse wants me to go back in 7 days to organise these pessaries as she had a queue a mile long and wanted to talk more to me ( hurrah !) So, if I start them say next Wednesday, would I miraculously feel more comfortable 7 days later. Thanks so much girls xx
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Hi rosyposy - welcome to the forum :)
The vagifem began working for me by the end of the first week so you may find the same yourself. As for worrying about whether to or not once you start them - well, I used to put mine in each night at bedtime and we just got on with what we would normally do and it never ended up stuck to anywhere it shouldn't be!
Have a good browse around the forum. You will find much help and support on here.
Taz x
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Hi Ropsyposey
Mine was horrific so I abstained for the 21 days I made sure he had fun hehehehe Lous abounded not with me though hehehe
I had to take it every night for 3 weeks as mine was really bad then I decided for me which days I wasnt likely to make love
I went about this very well THURSDAY late night shopping so hes knackered he does it staright from work so hes knackered
The Sunday night well hes been happy over the weekend and Sunday we ride the Bike ULY club so Sunday nights
Well couple of glasses of wine and a DVD and Bobbles is bo bos no problems hehehehe
Go for it hun its been a life saver for me
This time last year id been on it since Feb 14th after 18mnths of horrific pain and burning inside and outside Its hard to remember
Plus the peeing all the time the horrific pain went with in days 3/4 and has never come back
My fanny took a few months thought to get back to 95% normality it is always prone to infections etc but ohhh the relief
Making love OK still a bit tight a tiny bit sore to enter but then I always was but after that 95% like it used to be
I say 95% cos sometimes sex can irritate the old fanny for a couple of hours other times nothing
So use it but dont rush it having sex I mean let the Vagifem work for a couple of weeks before sex I did and Id advise it myself
I put mine in about 8pm then watch tele I go to the loo an hour or so before hand Im paranoid it will drop out that why
I know it wont or cant not if put in properly but sods law would just happen hehehe
Plus taking time to use it and let your inards heal cos imagine how youd feel if it still hurt after a couple of weeks
It takes time to replenish the old fanny and get it tickety boo again xxx
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For the first time ever we did it the same night I put it in
It was fine didnt hurt so it must have MELTED
We had a bllody ball too heheheheh
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Suzi Q you should be bottled and given out to all of us dried up menopausal old crones! I've read this whole thing and it's thoroughly depressing but your posts give us all a bit of hope-and a good laugh. And god knows there's not much to laugh about!
When I first joined this forum I used to think "I'm NOT ending up like that"...but here I am :'( I've tried Maca, Solgar...whatever (hideously expensive and a waste of time), Omega 7 (jury's still out), Menopace, Pueraria Mirifica, Yes Yes Yes, Replens etc etc but it seems the only thing that will do anything is Vagifem. I know it carries less of a risk than normal HRT but the risk is something I really don't want to take. Oh and it was great to read that it's not just the dryness, weeing and soreness I have to put up with, but my f*nny is going to disappear as well!! I plucked up the courage to take a look this morning and the outer "bits" have definitely changed. Crikey it's enough to make you want to just give in! I'm sitting here fake tan on, big hair, make up....but my ...downstairs lady garden is like a shrivelled old prune!
Anyway, I digress. My hubby and I have now got separate rooms, which is great in one way but our sex life has ground to a halt. I broached the subject the other day and OH said he was scared of hurting me, but as it seems like it's a case of use it or lose it, we really are going to have to persevere. Yes Yes Yes is good, but as far as I can see it's just a lube. Is there ANYTHING that revitalises the bits without resorting to Vagifem?
Apologies for rambling ladies but I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed and don't know what to do for the best :(
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It's the more serious side effects I'm worried about, like breast cancer...plus the weight gain doesn't sound too appealling either-I've got enough to contend with now with my ever-increasing muffin top! I'm absolutely gob-smacked about the loss of "tissue" I have to look forward too as well :o does this happen to everyone? Nobody EVER told me things were gonna be this bad!
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OkIsithotinthere
Sod the risks live your life love this isnt a rehearsal this is it as good as it gets
I never took HRT either too scaredy cat
But when my fanny ached pulsated burnt hot pocker up inside felt like I was sitting on a burning seat hot liquid acid leaked
Wanted to pee all the time and it burnt my lips were swollen skin dropping off like sunburn OK F it enoughs enough
18 bloody months I put up with it taking akll sorts of drugs that did sod all there is abso NOTHING out there
Ive said it before and at the risk of being BOREING if there was a natural remedy he/shed be richer than BILL GATES
Vagifem is absorbed for 2 weeks directly in to the old fanny linning then it just maitains it
My GP is a swine(I LOVE HIM REALLY!) he wouldnt even countenance HRT he said hed sooner give me cyanide TAHNKS MICHAEL!
He assured me and I belive him that Vagifems safe my MUM DAD Brother 2 Aunty 3 Grandparents all died of heart or strokes
Thats was my fear know what after being fannyless and labia less now I can do it like Beckeham OH its YUMBO
My fanny is almost labialess well Bobbles lou lous a bit wrinkly too and hes got a Stewart Granger lou Lou so he shaves the hairs off
Just know that Madoona fanny is going to or could even look like ours now you cant stop biology (F>>K)
\Get the Vagi take 3/4 weeks to let it recover then move back in say HONEY IM BACKKKKKKKK
Love and Huge HUGs Suzi QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
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How come you know so much about Stewart Granger's lou lou, Suzi ;D
And you do realise that a lot of people on here are probably too young to have any idea who he was :o
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ahahahahahahahah
ive a grin the size of the mersey tunnel reading your posts
Bobbles said to say HE DID I TELL HIM hehehehe that he has a distiguished LOU LOU
The Stewart Granger willys grey haired like he was bloody Nora its a liverpool thing hehehehehe
TOOOO YOUNG dont any of you watch old time TV and IM only 57 in June not that ancient
57 hells bells talk James Blunt singing Simona I will always be with you in a club in 1973 singing here we go again
Do any of you feel sad sometimes when you hear that cos I do me in my wedge heels Bobbles 6/7inches in his high heel shoes
36inch bottom pants (Oxford) life in front nothing seemed impossible where did it go?
\Big hugs Suzi Q xxxxxxxxxxxx
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWeqeQkjLto Haven't heard this before.
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You have got a brilliant attitude Suzy-you should be on commission for Vagifem! I'm still dithering a bit but might make appointment at docs just to talk it over. The thing is my hubby works away so I wouldn't need it all the time. How would I work that out?
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It's not something that you stop and start Isithotinhere. If you are dry during sex then you will need to use it all the time as, if you leave things as they are, over time you can begin to get more vaginal symptoms such as soreness, bladder infections etc even though you may not be having intercourse. It doesn't work as a lubricant but plumps up the vaginal tissues from the inside. It gradually strengthens the tissues again so all is nice and healthy.
Taz x
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Hi Taz-it does sound wonderful I must admit. I'm already starting to have some other symptoms though thankfully not as bad as some people, but bad enough for me to want to do something about it. I've read that it may cause weight gain - has anyone noticed that at all?
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yes it can Ive gone from 10 to 14 as Im omly 5/2 hmmm
But so bloody what 14 isnt FAT and to have that F pain gone so what
20 is fat but 14 is the UK and First world norm
Mind took me a bit to accept no more size 10
Vanity Vanity all is Vanity xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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I too was reluctant to venture down the HRT route. Before commencing Vagifem my quality of life was very frustrating. I was getting up to wee more than once a night, couldn't walk the dog for any decent length of time because of soreness, tennis and aerobics were also problamatic. i now feel I can do all these things without any discomfort. I had my last period at 45 and didn't know any of this vaginal atrophy stuff. Am now 55 and have been on vagifem for a year non stop. Things are feeling pretty good now and am even sleeping through the night. Might even venture down the sex route soon as well!
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Size 10 to 14? I have always struggled with my weight and now it's even harder. I'm a 16 so if I gained as much as you Suzy I would be a 20!!!
I find that if I use a lubricant daily I feel OK down there. I do get up loads in the night for a wee but (and I know this prob sounds daft) I don't think it's bladder related. It's more that I wake up sweating then feel like a could go to the loo. I don't have pain on walking (yet :o ) so my main probs are dryness/sex, and the scary fact that my f*nny looks like it's been on the Atkins diet! Weird!!
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Sorry love the bladders iffy cos lack of hormones that it relies on to keep the bladder healthy and suple
Taz can explain it better than me but the hormones keep the bladder strong wee wee wise as soon as it looses hormones
it it becomes weak and you need to go all the time with in a couple of months on Vagifem all that stopped normal wee wee once again
Not everyone puts on weight with HRT Vagi or Ovestin I didnt on Ovestin I lost weight I went down to an 8
Ijm not working much anymore I think thats played a part I dont eat much of anything foods never bothered me
Sex dryness HRT cream required Fanny shrivels thorugh lack of hormones get them in and youd be amazed how pink and plump it goes
OK never like it used to and if like me your a bit vanishing down there then it cant make it re grow but sex for most is 95% normal xxx
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You are all so persuasive! It must be good as you're all so positive but I can't help being a bit scared :-\ I seem to be at a higher risk of breast cancer and would hate to think I developed it just cos of wanting a moist f*nny!!
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That's because you haven't got to the stage of needing a continuous antibiotic to stop the recurring bladder infections! It may not happen to you of course but I was on antibiotics every night for a year to stop them.
It is scary to think of the risk of breast cancer but, if you drink alcohol, then if you do begin Vagifem you can keep your risk lower by giving up the alcohol. Alcohol is one of the known risk factors of breast cancer. My doc suggested that I should give up my evening glass of wine when I started HRT if I wanted to lessen my risk but I do enjoy my tipple.
Taz x
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Yes Taz I did know about alcohol...have you actually given up then? Crikey, life's not going to be worth living soon. My friends think I'm exaggerating when I tell them how crap the menopause is and I'm not even as bad as some people on here...plus I haven't even mentioned the dreaded dry f*nny syndrome to them :-X
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No I haven't given up. I only have a glass (sometimes two) of wine so I am sticking with that. I have lost friends to cancer recently and none of them were on HRT and two of them led really healthy, alcohol-free lives.
Taz x
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It's a worry isn't it? Linda McCartney was probably the most famous veggie ever and breast cancer claimed her life. I think it's all down to good fortune, but at the same time I don't want to push my luck so am trying to ease up and just drink at weekends.
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A glass of red wine a day is supposed to be good for your heart.
There is so much conflicting information who knows what is best.
I really think moderation in all things is a good way to go.
Although I must have a really healthy heart now ;D ;D
Honeyb
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Apropo did you know that the 2 glasses of wine a day for women was a guess?
They interviewd a few months back it was a BBC show Panorama I think the played it here on BBC kowledge
Theses now elderly science men said they had no idea so they just GUESSED that 2 a day would be OK
So science smience MY GP said to me if you drink 2 glasses of wine a day YOU have a PROBLEM
Im a fimr beleiver youd not get out of bed if you listened to all the scientific advise
Look I dont want to get cancer and die who the f does but I know and the gilrs on this site who comforted me and replied every day
They must know I couldnt have gone on how I was I made a desiosion and have never regeretted it
But unlike Ovestin I do see Vagifem as a medicine I never saw Ovestin as such yet its the same thing weird or what?
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Susan.. I agree with you.(But then I think we just dont really know whats round the corner and the conbination of vaginal dryness and bladder issues you get post meno really affext the quality of your life. Sometimes there are good arguments for quality rather than quantity). Things are really depressing with these symptons and made me feel really old. I was only 53 when these symptons proved a pain. I have opted for quality .
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;D well I am into second month of serenity cream ;) wow.
no flushes no sweats
moist vagina responsive clit
please tell me it is not a coincidence
ooooooh and no migraines
cant beleve it.
still ache a bit tired poor sleep and less interest in sex but heh i even had a "nice" dream like what is female eqiv to a wet dream? a nocturnal emission lol
metabolism seems to be speeding up to the point i may even get thyroid checked just to make sure im not over replacing.....
so fingers crossed this continues and no need to cross my legs now !!! :-*
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I didn't think this stuff worked!
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Newbie,intro'd myself on the newbie board,just started vagifem G.p. only started me on 1 x twice weekly no intro course,maybe cause i suffer with crohns disease (imflammation of small bowel )well since taking it for my VA which is excrui ating and also severe bladder/urinary probs,i am finding i am getting like a period pain intermitantly and also awful bloating in the gut,is this the norm or not,or is it me,noticed when i first started taking it the other evening and again today after inserting pessary this morning,am on the 25mcg dose,as i said once twice a week,hope it is a temporary side effect,would hate to think there is nothing i cannot have down there to stop this agony,am 57 and been post menapausal for about 5-6 years.
Eltonia
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HI Newbie hehehe
1 ring GP and ask why your not following the recomended doseage from the manafacturer
He may not realise tell him its one a night for 2 weeks and ask why your not on that best to find out OK
As for period pains yes I had them too and I hadnt had a period in 14 years I had ovarian failure at 36/37
My tummy bloated and is still a bit puffy which was a shock cos I prided myself on my flat tum
But to get rid of that eternal pain ache and feeling like you cant go on then whats a puffy tum
Dont forget ring GP and ask xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi everyone ,Taz I'm sorry I sent my first message to your personal messages in error. I am newish to website, havent been on for years as I thought my meno probs were subsiding until VA hit bad. I got a bad UTI which I thought must have been down to the dryness, and after reading all comments about reoccurrences I started taking vagifem 25. At first when I started using it it seemed to make me swell up inside which subsided after a few hours, but only after 2 days lubrication started yippee, couldn't belive it. However after about a week I noticed increased hot flushes, night sweats, feeling down, plus bad cramps in my legs and feet of a noght causing me to jump out of bed in agony. I thought this stuff was not meant to affect the rest of your body, and I couldn't put up with it any longer, so I stopped taking it after 3 weeks. Since then the VA has increased 10 fold and my stomach feels swollen and delicate inside making me feel nauseous. I don't know what to do for the lesser of the two evils! my doctor prescribed steroid cream to reduce the swelling, but that makes me feel really sore like I'm bruised or something and it aches terrible down below. I also had a swab taken which has come back clear. I don't know waht to do next. Has anybody had these side effects from vagifem? I don't know whether to try the 10 microgram instead? somebody please helpppp!
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Hi my gut really swelled on the 25mcg of Vagifem and i only took it twice,i went back to the g.p who told me to use the 10mcg for six weeks every day,or if that was too much every otherday,but alas 10 mch is not nowhere near enough,i am not getting the bloating but just very slight crampy feelings,nothing i could'nt put up with,but the going to the toilet frquently as come back,which is a menace especially with the job i do.
So this evening i am going to try 2 x 10 mcg pessaries--not quite the 25mcg,but i think it would be worth a try,anyhow soon know tomorrow morning if i'm doubled up with cramps again,and then i suppose it will be back to the 10mcg or to the g.p. again.
Eltonia
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Hi Susan,
Thanks for your kind reply :). I don't know what to do for the better, I don't think that I was allergic to vagifem, but that it seemed too strong a dose for me as the symptoms I got were those normally experienced by people on full blown HRT?when I asked the doctor about the hot flushes, night sweats and leg/feet cramps caused by the vagifem 25, and also the fact that it is not supposed to affect the rest of your body, she stated that some people are more sensitive than others and can be affected in different ways. I then suggested vagifem 10, to which she agreed but I must admit I am rather apprehensive about taking them incase of side effects.
My VA seems to be very slowly settling down, I don't have any burning or stinging, but am still sore a bit and a bit delicate in lower abdomen. I am just wondering if it might continue to ease off. I asked the doctor if this condition can clear up on its own, and she said yes. I have changed my diet to include soya and have been taking flaxseed oil capsules which are also rich in phytoestrogens. I might just wait a while longer to see what happens, but I have got the vagifem 10 waiting in the wings ha ha.
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Hi Susan,
You swallow the flaxseed capsules. I'm not brave enough to go any near down below yet ha ha, although I don't have burning or stinging it still feels very sore inside and my lower abdomen is still delicate, but not quite as bad as yesterday.
I have just been reading about a product which the well woman clinic got me on to. It is Femarelle which is a capsule containing special derivatives from tofu and flaxseed. Some women are raving about how good it has been in helping their meno symptoms. Have a read about it on the internet.
I'm just holding out as long as I can rather than go on vagifem, I mean some people have said that once your on it your on it for life. How do you ever get off it? As soon as people stop taking it their symptoms come back again, is this due to withdrawal of estrogen? so how can using vagifem ever be temporary? Heres me saying all this but I'll probably end up on it in the end ha ha!
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Hi Larky,
what side effects did you get on the vagifem 25? I only took them for 3 weeks when I started getting the side effects and when I stopped my system is really messed up, I'm still trying to get myself right again,
Do you think the vagifem 10 might be ok then? but what if I have to stop and my system is all messed up again? then again what have I got to lose its still messed up now aghhh
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Hello Di - I wonder whether the side effects were not side effects at all but a coincidence and that you have now moved into a further stage of meno symptoms? Symptoms change all the time during peri and meno and the ones you mention about increasing hot flushes and tender stomach etc. have happened to me at various times but without me using anything at the time. These things could have happened whether you used the vagifem or not maybe. Leg cramps were a fairly early symptom for me and I went from having none to having them every night. At the time I had no idea what was happening as I had not joined this lovely forum - must have been around five years ago now :o
Has your doc mentioned the possibility of a slight prolapse to you? When mine first happened it was sudden - I thought I was getting a UTI and had the most horrible swollen and heavy feeling in my lower pelvis and vagina and the ache was so uncomfortable. I learnt later that this was the prolapse pushing forward into the vagina - I still don't know what I had done that day to make it happen but now I know that any sort of lifting i.e. shopping bags, garden furniture etc. can bring on the same feeling. When I mentioned it to my doc he knew about it as he had spotted it during my last cervical smear but patients are rarely told they have one unless it is causing problems.
What I am saying is that it may not have been the vagifem that "messed" up your system - it could have happened anyway.
Taz x :hug:
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I have had no trouble with the vagifem 25 and have been on it for a year now. VA seems under control but sex still off the agenda. Think celibacy may be the way to go. Recent visit to doc and I told him there was now a vagifem10 which he has prescribed. Has anyone had any problems swopping from the 25 to the 10? Do you recommend straight swop or maybe use the vagifem 10 three times a week to start off with.
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Hi Taz,
Thanks for your reply. I don't think that my symptoms were just part of the menopause stages as I have been going through the meno for 8 years and been post meno for 3 years through which time the normal symptoms of hot flushes, night sweats and anxiety etc all had gradually reduced to minimal. The only thing that had got gradually worse was the VA, but on a few occasions (rare) it seemed to go alright for a few weeks only to go back to its horrible self.
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Hi Susan,
I do get the odd cramp now and again like everybody else and my hot flushes/night sweats had almost faded, but after a week of taking vagifem my hot flushes/night sweats were through the roof and then the leg/feet cramps were every night disrupting my sleep. I've never had flare ups of this kind over the last 4-5 years.
However, after stopping vagifem all these things stopped and returned to as before (except the VA). It just seems too much of a coincidence don't you think?
Maybe the VF10 will suit me better.
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;D It has become bad but as I'm not at all interested in sex it isn't bothering me!
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got so dry you couldn't have got a matchstick up there. ;D ;D very good description susan.
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Oh Susan, you made me laugh out loud, matchsticks huh!!! Oh dear, when I'm in the mood again how will I cope with that because after all hubby does have a huge member!!! ;D (quote, unquote!!)
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Hi Match
hehehe love that
I get period pains with Vagifem hot flushes which I hadnt had for over 10 years came back with a vengence
I got sloughy legs up and down and slight cramps in them
It wore off after 2/3 months though I still get the odd flusheroonie
Id have taken anything to get rid of the infernal pain of AV never ending pain
Now I hardly ever think about the odl fanny anymore
Mind sex still hurts to enter after that as long as it isnt a long one Im fine
Mind Bobbles couldnt go long time now anyway hwehwhwhwhwhwhw I meant hehehehehehe
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Hello all
I have just registered but have been browsing this site for a couple of weeks now.
I am 65 years old, post menopausal, and suffering with vaginal atrophy.
I thought I had coped quite well with the menopause until about eighteen months ago when I started having vaginal pain that kept me awake at night. At first I was dismissed by my doctor, she told me there was nothing wrong and I had probably pulled a muscle!! Eventually, after many visits and several scans, I was told I had a dry vagina caused by lack of oestrogen and given ovestin cream about three months ago.
It worked quite well at first and eased my discomfort, but as I tapered off, the symptoms returned with a vengeance. I am now using it every night but am still very uncomfortable during the day and cannot sleep at night because of the pain. I don't really understand how a dry vagina can cause so much pain - I would welcome an explanation.
I am feeling very depressed and distressed about it all today - am I destined to feel like this for the rest of my life? Is this something that will go away? It is certainly affecting my quality of life.
I hope someone can reassure me that I can learn ways to cope with this.
I never even knew this could happen as you aged - talk about ignorant. Why is it not discussed more openly?
From what I have read on the internet recently this is a huge problem affecting a lot of women at my time of life and yet I have never read one word about it before or seen one magazine article.
Thanks for reading and I look forward to reading any responses.
Carina
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I did a post about this August 2009
I dont know why its so painful but it affects every part of your life every day from start to finish
The burning throbbing suction pain the red vagina outer bits a feeling your sitting on a golf ball
The burning when going for a weee so you hold yourself out of fear cos oyu know
Every morning you wake up and say please god cos that few mins before you pee it seems ok then it starts again
You cant walk comfotably forget sitting its agony even water in the shower hurts
Sometimes Id get an Odd day when i was 90% ok and Id think thank god its going then in the morning it was back
Wanting to pee all the time coughing and the knickers got wet so shaming
I was on Ovestin and the mini pill it must have just stoped working the Ovestin would drop out the next day like it went in white glob
Feb 2010 I started on Vagifem with in 3 days those dreadful suction throb went totaly never come back ever
took another 3/4 months to work 95% its never the same and especially at the same time by bits started to shrink and retract fortunatly so far not inside but the outside is so teeny compared to how I looked 3 years
Give Vagifem a try Im so glad I did I dont know how long I could have stood it good luck xxxxxx
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Hi everyone,
I just wondered if anybody has been on hormonal cream or vagifem and successfully been able to use it then come off it without any symptoms returning with a vengeance?
I mean I don't understand how you can add estrogen to your body to sort out the dryness, then eventually be able to take it away and everything is ok. Has anybody found that this is the case or is it that once you start adding estrogen you can never stop because of the consequences?
Sorry to be a pain but its just something thats being going around in my mind.
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Hello Di. Unfortunately the vaginal dryness and vaginal atrophy are caused by lack of oestrogen. Once you get into meno then the oestrogen dries up and it doesn't return. We are lucky that oestrogen creams and pessaries have been discovered I reckon as in the past women suffered dreadfully for the rest of their lives.
Vaginal dryness will return once oestrogen is stopped. Of course some women don't suffer badly from this effect of meno for some reason (I am not sure why) but if you are one of the women who does then, from my own experience, the only way to feel more comfortable and to stop the cystitis type symptoms and the painful sex is to use topical oestrogen.
Taz x
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You have got my share Larky - I am on Vagifem and full HRT but my cup size is still going down....
Taz x
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I was chatting with my doctor last week about the fact that I have put on a stone in weight (boobs also uncomfortably bigger!) and could it be down to the Vagifem I had switched to. She said that it was impossible to out on weight as the ingredients in vagifem cannot be absorbed in great quantities into the blood stream - not sure that I understood that statement but there you go............
Rebecca :)
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Morning Ladies
Hope you are all doing ok.
I am in the depths of despair here, I am in so much pain and discomfort I really don't know what to do. Think I am feeling a bit sorry for myself but I am coping so badly with this. I don't want to live like this!
I think I could cope better if I understood why I hurt so much. Why does vaginal dryness cause so much pain, what is actually hurting. I feel like I have a burning, throbbing pain deep in my vagina constantly.
The worse place to be is in bed, laying down is a real no-no. I haven't slept much at all the last two nights.
Sitting is a bit better but I tend to rock with the pain. Standing is probably best but my arthritis limits the amount of time I can stand.
I asked for, and was given. a repeat prescription of the ovestin cream I have been using.
But unfortunately the chemist are unable to get any supplies so they told me to go back to the Doctor for an alternative. So I made the dreaded appointment and prepared myself for questions and painful prodding.
However he just said I will give you something else and then spent five minutes looking through his book and tapping away on his computer and eventually gave me a prescription for Gynest cream. Didn't ask any questions, not even how I was getting on.
It appears Gynest is not as strong as ovestin, so if ovestin isn't helping I can't see how this one will, I can just see myself getting worse and worse. I haven't started the new one yet, still using up the dregs of ovestin, have used it now for 21 days solid with no relief.
Sorry for the self pity whinge girls but would appreciate some support here.
thanks for being here
Carina
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Hi Carina
Just wanted to send you a :hug: really!
From the ladies on here say, it sounds as if you need Vagifem rather than the creams. I think that some of them have progressed onto both that and then onto full HRT eventually. I'd say that you need to go back and ask for - well, actually demand! - Vagifem. Don't be fobbed off - no way should you have to live in pain. And you are not whinging! :lol:
Bette x
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Thanks Bette
I needed that
Carina
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hi Carina
my lkife wasn't worth living with VA, it hit me like a bolt out of the blue. people think that its just painful sex and dont realise it is pain and burning 24/7 for an unlucky few of us :(
I have ended up on Vagifem 25mcgs(dreading if they stop producing it and only produce the 10mcg's and full HRT (one tablet of Femoston a day) and it is a lot better but not 100%. Also can only bath in clear water no bubbles etc and have to swab myself with tissue in luke warm water and pat dry after peeing. Cant take any chances.
I would make an urgent appointment to at least get vagifem. One a day every night for 14 nights then twice a week for ever more (nothing cures it >:(, can only get it under control.
Try that for a while and if you want added protection try a low dose HRT after 3 months
Good Luck
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I know the pain of AV people do think its just sex so if you dont have sex no pain thats not it though
Its a constant burning pain inside and outside your lady bits little red marks and skin sometimes like sunburnt the hairs even tingle and feel uncomfortable the pain in your fanny like someones shoved a hot poker up there and the never ending pulse like suctiojn throbbing its unimaginable pain to anyone who doesnt suffer from it and I too had never heard of it and never thought at 55?
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It appears Gynest is not as strong as ovestin, so if ovestin isn't helping I can't see how this one will, I can just see myself getting worse and worse. I haven't started the new one yet, still using up the dregs of ovestin, have used it now for 21 days solid with no relief.
Carina just thought I'd mention that although Gynest is less concentrated than Ovestin, you actually get the same amount of estriol (0.5mg) per dose, because you use more of the gynest cream. The applicator for gynest holds 5ml of cream (= a teaspoonful). It's going to be messier than ovestin but better than nothing.
I've been looking in to it because I'm on ovestin and may have to switch if I can't get hold of any in the next few weeks.
Hope you get some relief soon :hug:
Catweazle x
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Thanks for your responses ladies.
I feel a little better and therefore calmer today.
I forgot to mention I don't have an active sex life and I really believe that is why I am so bad.
If I had been having sex I may have realised I had a problem and started treatment long before it got this bad.
Does that make sense?
I will let you know how I get on.
Carina
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Mine started with the ITCH thought Id been bitten Sunday Feb 2008
Was sore after with sex but thought I was just a bit delicate
Then it pained all day every day maybe some AV is different ?
Mine hurt with sex or no sex didnt make a jot of diff pain 24/7
I walked like I had a p[oker up my nether regions couldnt sit had to lean forward
Got some releif in bed buit I w3as aware of my vagina 24/7
I hope you get all the help and support you need xxx
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Hello Ladies
Latest update and more questions for you all. :)
I posted before asking about starting Gynest cream and was reassured by the answers I received.
My condition seemed to settle after my original bad patch and I continued on a maintenance dose of twice a week until I had used all my Ovestin. I then started on the Gynest cream and, as recommended by the doctor, used it every night for two weeks. I found it effective, though rather messy and finished the initial course on Friday night.
So, feeling quite confident, I thought I would start the maintenace dose of twice a week and decided to use it next on Monday night.
I woke at 3.00am on Saturday night/Sunday morning in a lot of pain.
It had all come back !!!
I couldn't believe it. It was the first night I hadn't used the cream.
Couple of questions -
Is it ok to use it continually?
If I am going to do that would I be better off with oral HRT?
Would an oestrogen implant help?
Any ideas and advice would be most welcome.
I am back to feeling unhappy and depressed again. :( I really can't believe I am allowing my vagina to rule my life, but I am just so aware of it all the time. :sigh:
I really feel I need some answers and only wish I could talk to the doctor in the same way I talk to all of you. I always end up tearful and unable to express myself if I visit the surgery.
Thanks ladies, I hope you are all coping well.
Carina x
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I didnt use HRT
Wouldnt take it myself
I went on Ortho to start with for a year or so (didnt have AV then)
Didnt like it then I went on mini pill and Ovestin for 10 years or so then the AV started
Didnt matter that I was using Ovestin and the mini pill I was useing the Ovestin 3/4 times a week
In the end it was coming out the next day like a lump it wasnt being absorbed anymore?
After months of GO TO THE GP by Taz Clkd Tazzy and loads more I went
I started on Vagifem Feb 14th 2010 it didnt work overnight with the AV but it did take the horrific pain and sucktion feeling away in about 3 days flat gone never had that feeling back EVER
It took about 5 months or so to work properly some USA sites say it can take 6 to 12 months to work in bad cases
Mine was bad bad bad now IM not saying its a miracle cure cos AV cant be cured it can be managed
I have weeks where Im fine then out of the blue 2/3 days iffy though never like it used to be
Sex is good but again its not the same you always tense up just in case it hurts 99 out of a 100 it doesnt
Fear of the pain makes sex not as spontan as it used to be its dead sad to think thats a part of your life gone 4 ever
Even with Vagifem your lifes changed and I look upon Vagi as a medicine i never thought that way about Ovestin and the mini pill and NO I dont know why I should by now 18mnth on nearly be used to it but Im not my life is like yours
Im aware of my fanny all the time if its a teeny bit tight I freak I take my little blue pill and I calm down
If its paining again then it wasnt right for you go back armed with printed info on Vagifem a lot of GPs new and old dont seem to understand that you can take it all the time now they seem to want you to come of it after 3/6 montsh
Which is horrific the fannys just getting better and your mind is too and then they say sorry you have to have a break
Then the whole bloody thing starts again so go ask for Vagifem it should work it did for me and loads of other ladies
But sadly sweetie dont look for a cure there is none xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Some ladies it doesnt work and they use another cream over there cant remember the name though?
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Just a quick question, and sorry if its been asked before on this thread but I'm at work and don't have time to go through 42 pages..
Has anyone used replens and is it any good...?
Thanks
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Sorry, Shell, don't know personally but as I said in my other reply to you, it might be best to start a thread in "New Members" as your question might get missed in an old thread. ;)
Bette x
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Replens was messy and grainy....not nice for me any way.
Have you considered Vagifem...It has saved a lot of pain and a fair few marriages here. Works really well for me.
Honeyb
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Thanks for the replies...I am starting replens and so far it has eased the extreme dryness...will see what happens after I've seen the Dr on Wednesday...
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IM glad Replens has eased the dryness
But it wont do anything for the vaginal walls to plump them up to help them heal
Its just like using a good lube with a moisturiser in
Plus it will only work when yu put it in where as Vaginal HRT creams or Vagifem keeps you moist down there
It works 24/7 even on a 2x week routine
But what ever makes you feel good and works for you is the way you should go xxx
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Well I don't feel like I'm wearing a cheese wire thong anymore so thats good..have started a low dose of hrt today so hopefully that will sort out the long term problem of dryness... ;)
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Hi,
Don't want to seem too graphic but did anyone notice sensations and aching around their pube area whe first on vagifem?
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yes its the fanny going ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh f.............. hormones thank you god xxxx
It does ease up hehehehe
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Hi Suzy,
Thanks for your reply. How long does it last? also how long before the internal soreness goes?
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Looks like I'm gonna have to come off the vagifem again, just as I was starting to feel a bit better. Terrible anxiety has returned just as it did the previous times I tried to use it. I'm so gutted....I don't know what to do now. Maybe it just doesn't agree with me for some reason :'(
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OK what does the sides to Vagifem say Ok read it depression is a side to vagifem(says to tell your GP)
So if your fanny is feeling better but your scared again go to GP maybe he can give you something to help the Anxiety
I too get sometimes symptoms like you describe days when I feel so unimaginably sad I cry feel worthless
But no matter what I wont and couldnt put up with the Atrophy the pain 24/7 365 days
Keep using it and make an appt with GP unless the anxiety is way too bad to cope with
The internal soreness goes with in a couple of weeks then with in another 4/6 weeks of maint 2x week its OK
Sex is good the fanny feels normal again OK mine doesnt looki normal as my AV was so advanced and I never took HRT
I went over at 36/37 IM now 57 havent had a period since mid 90s I used Ovestin HRT cream and the mini pill till Feb 14th 2010 when my Atrophy was so bad even with useing Vram and Mini pill 18mnths of pain every day all day
Id say with in a few days the horrific pain went BUT if youve not tried Ovestin its good it worked for me for 10 years
I was put on the mini pill to balance the hormones on Vagifem you dont need that though some ladies take HRT as well
I know and understand the feeling your feeling Vagifem may not be OK for you but see GP first asap
Cos it evidently makes the fanny feel better? xxxxxxx
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Thanks Suzy,
I have made an appointment to see Doc again, and have asked to see the gyno so have to wait a couple of weeks but will keep you posted as to what happens. :)
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Does any-one know if vaginal dryness lead to a slight touch of cystitis?
Old thread I know, but this is my tuppenceworth:
I used to get cystitis after "enthusiastic" conjugals, but now it comes with no real cause. Usually before a party, or while I'm camping, just to vex me the most.
I keep a cheap cystitis powder in my bag now, and a carton of cranberry juice in the cupboard (check the label though, OceanSpray has the highest level of real juice in it).
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I used Sylk which really is excellent.
I didn't get on with it at all, and when Himself bought us some Durex lube as a "treat" I came out in a horrendous blistery rash (I'm prone to eczema, even "down there"). No conjugals for a week after that!
What I've found really gentle and really good is sweet almond oil, which I've used for 4 years now. It's brilliant (about £6 from H & Barrett, amazon or almost anywhere else)
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Im hoping to god this is just a BLIP
A week last FRiday the funny fanny felt iffy
By today im dry as a bone outside it feels like sunburnt its so dry and tight
MY glands at the opening are swollen like they used to be I feel like im sitting on something down there
Looked(fanny)it looks like it did 18mnths ago it doesnt feel half as bad but its defo the same type of feeling and ache
I can see the Bartholin glands again all red sore looking no no prolapse visable its exactly like it used to be but less so
It was easier tonight to put iVagi in this is an extra normally do Sun and Thur but it felt too yuk and I decided 1 extra
By now Id normally be feeling fine nope its like im sitting on a golf ball and the dry stretchy feeling is still there
Im depressd about it Bo0bbles stayed up we watched 3 You Must Rememeber this eps to try to get my mind off it
Im terrified to death its failing if it is its just failed with a BANG fine for weeks not one iffy day then BANG 10days ago
Only one thing I dont want to wee but im sitting here dry and sore Bobbles says is its stress over the loss of my job
I hope to God hes right cos where the F do I go from here if its failed
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Hi Suzi - sorry to read this. I have to say that this is what happened to me when I needed full HRT to keep things ok. The amount of oestrogen in Vagifem wasn't enough as my own supplies dwindled further. Big hug from me though and hope you are feeling better.
Taz x
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Suzi, I use Estrace cream as needed, but at least twice a week. Many docs advise using it with the tip of your finger rather than applicator as you may need it on the peri area as much as the vag walls. The lower third of the bladder has lots of estrogen receptors so I cover the urethral opening as well. Its not a big deal, just slap it on on inactive nights or after and forget it. It is pretty much absorbed by morning. It is a bit stronger than Vagifem, but not hugely so - it just covers where you need it better IMHO. Don't panic, it will be ok. These well-respected doctors that Susan refers to in the video I posted said they expect and see REVERSAL of vaginal atrophy. I am way post meno and look ok down there. Do have a damn prolapse after going off the ERT after that bad study. Never a problem before. When I went back on it went away for a few years and then slowly returned, but is still manageable. It's the hot burning that did me in and that is gone. I also use a UK internal stim machine for VA and prolapse and it has programs for incontinence that I don't need.
It stimulates the whole area in what I have to call a non sexual way - it's more like a PT therapy or actually it is a physical therapy thingy. It has helped as well.
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HI Susan HI Taz
well I put the extra one in last night and today no feeling of sitting on a lump the pain there has GONE!
Still bit dry outside and the pubic areas on the inner outer mons feels ****ly but compared to last night 1000% better
I think I do need to use it more after such a quick result IM nt anything like I was 2 weeks ago but much improved
I am going to do it every other night for a week So last Sun Tue Thur Sat Mon see how I am by next Wednesday
The idea of redoing the start up sounds quite reasonable Im sure my GP would have no worries with that
HRT is a HUGE problem for other medical reasons even so theres no F WAY I could ever go back to that Atrophic pain
I saw a GYNY 18mnths ago he said that your genital tissue like labias cant regrow they have GONE
I dont have a prolapse that GP can see and to be honest i couldnt use a tampax the idea of shoving something up
YEWWWWW gives me the creepy diff strokes for diff folks I couldnt even try that
The Keegles made my Vaginal opening bruised and swollen and sore my GP told me to stop its not for everyone
Taz Im sure your probably right and who know HRT in the end maybe the way I have to go I just take solace from the fact that 25mg of Vagifem even 3 times a week is nought not really
Thanks to you all fro replying still feel weird and will be scared I may wake up tomorrow bad again xxxxxx
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Try not too panic Suzi. Bobbles might be right or it just could be a blip. Are you doing the 25mcg every other night?
I watched a medscape presentation that Taylor sent me on VA. There were 3 very senior Drs delivering the lecture and their area of expertise was Vaginal Atrophy.
I'm sure towards the end (it was about 50 mins long) one said that for some women they may need to re-do the 14 days continuous once a year.
Perhaps you could get medical advice on it.
Redo the 2 week course then go back to 2 times a week yes?
They even seemed to be saying as well that this was a safer way to take it as the 14 days continuous would re-coat the walls again, prior to going back to the two a week and then the 2 a week would not be obsorbed.
As you are nearly 20 years post-meno, having gone over so young, perhaps that might be appropriate for you. Don't despair there may be an answer.
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Hi Larky
glad your back
I know my GP wouldnt have any problems and if its iffy tomorrow and then fine FRiday but iffy Saturday
I may well just do that do the 14 day thing again coa 100000000% it was hormones or lack off
Thanks for replying
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Woke up this am feeling almost 100% normal felt like that all day then tonight i put my normal routine day vagifem in
I was fine no worries till 4/5 hours later I went for a wee wee and I burnt feel like my uretha is on fire
Dont know if i should have put another one in I was debating it
But before that I was almost back to where i was 2 weeks ago tomorrow NORMAL
I feel quite teary I couldnt bear to go back to before all I can do is wait a week or so see if it calms down if not
Dont really know what to do but thanks for your being here xxxx
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It became iffy and burny AFTER Id put it in
I was feeling almost 100% and then thought well THURS my normal Vagi day and as I feel good
Dont rock the boat the fanny eveidently needed the extra one so in went the Thursday one
All I can explain it is I was fine for hours then needed to pee fine for about 10 mins after id gone then BAM
Burning in the part between your cloittoras and vaginal opening no throbbing no other pain just that and no idea why
All I can do is hope that the morning brings no burning and my water was almost drinkable it was that clear
Thanks for replying xxx
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Suzi, when I have a flare up I use a heavy petroleum type jelly - in US called Aquaphor - but any heavy such jelly protects when the hormones don't seem to be enough.
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Hi Suzi
I am sorry to hear you are having trouble again.
I think the idea of a two week continual use sounds good.
I use gynest vaginal cream with varying results, I have never been able to drop to more than three days apart and often use it every other day. If I feel iffy I use the cream regardless.
Like you I can't bear to go back to how I felt before.
I am seeing the doctor on Monday and I am going to ask about vagifem.
I hope you are feeling back to normal soon :hug:
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I dont know Larky
I keep a diary and the Vagifem doesnt seem to be causing this
I was stressed badly over work and I was having loads of hot flushes and panic attaxks
When I put the extra one in on Tuesady my fanny was so pleased and Wed it was 95% better
Thursday it was about 98% and as Thurs my normal day??? Anyway it went by midnight so the pain burn lasted about 2 hours Tofday I ws woke up with a bang anf didnt realise till 12pm I hadnt gone for a wee not even the get up one
I went and only slight burn its been like that all day just a slight burning down there in thats bit
Its not tickety boo though I dont think Im ready to fo the 14 days yet I rang GP got a script so I can if I need too
Sunday night next one due see how tonight and tomorrow is see how I feel I have had blips before just not this long
I went on a site today in USA Garden web something women there in pain they describe is how we all were with AV
But most couldnt get Vagifem their HMO wouldnt pay for it so it must be exy there Im just praying this is a bad blipx
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I read this on another forum ( hystersisters), a lady had had success using glycerine suppositories vaginally for easing the discomfort of vaginal dryness, she was very pleased and said it was cheap too.
silverlady x
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Friday was rubbish
Saturday woke up not too bad made love very tender but Boibbles assured me I was wet as inside
Sore for a couple of hours then nothing went shopping bought Docs Mary Janes in a sale and 5 nice new tops
All day and evening went dancing nothing felt fine
Sunday woke up no pain no uretha burning was constipated pushed as if I was having a baby my legs went nervy wobbly
Still no pain no burning nothing just a slight feeling of want to go to the wee wee and again dry on the hood area
But compared to FRiday 100000000% better "so far" I looked back on here and found last year thi9s happend too?
So wish me luck normal routing Vagifem in tonight see how I feel after and tomorrow thanks for being there xxx or here!
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Black Cohosh and a cream prepared by my herbalist which is fab and worked immediately. It is made from a plant whose name escapes me right now?? It's really effective and so gentle.
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Black Cohosh and a cream prepared by my herbalist which is fab and worked immediately. It is made from a plant whose name escapes me right now?? It's really effective and so gentle.
menopausal block now gone and have remembered what is in the cream - Marigolds! It's safe, chemical free and really effective. ;)
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MOnday day after Vagi perfect
Today bit dry and a tad sore for a couple of hours then fine
IM thinking if tomorrow its sore I will put it in tomorrow instead of Thursday
Then I will put it in every 3rd night for a couple of weeks
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Dreadful day yesterday and previous night. Weeing for England. Had tried to cut the 10 mg Vagifem down to Wed and Sat as I used to do with 25mg. Put extra one in yesterday and things much better today. Seems I need to continue with the calender so I use it every third day.
Have pelvic scan on Saturday to check state of lining of womb as new GP not happy to prescribe Vagifem without a break. I think she may want me to take some progesterone but not happy to do this.
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I had to use extra one last week too Borch and mine are 25mg
As Taz would say stick to the regime I tried to cut back to every 4th day FFFFFFFFFFFFF
That extra one a week last Tuesday really helped I had a blip and fingers crossed Im ok
Ive just put my Thursday night one in now
As for scan well at least GP os interested in you yes ? xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hope your better today xxx
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Yes thanks Suzi much better today. Only had to get up once in the night which means I got a fairly decent sleep. Just a bit worried about the amount of water I need to drink for this scan on Saturday. Reminds me of when I was pregnant going for scans.
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HI Borch
hope everything went OK
Suzi Q xxx
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Yes had scan ...worst thing was trrying to keep a full bladder. Can you believe it I was called in late as well. Scan lady said womb lining is thin so hopefully this will be enough for my new GP to carry on prescribing the Vagifem. Thanks for asking :)
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Im thinking my Vagifems failing
I got back symptoms Sat Sept 24th I was at a a wedding it lasted 2 weeks then put an extra one in and OK again
The last weeks been on and off One day really bad the next OK nothing?
Dont know why the Vagifems not working as well? its harder to get it in the last 3 times the opening seems dryer
Harder to get the thing inside like I have to really push and then plop its in
Yet once in the aplicator glides in wet all the way and so is the aplicator when removed? so Im OK inside I think?
Maybe its stress? <Maybe I need more Vagifem? How can one day be 100% and then next Iffy?
Its know where as bad as it was pre Vagifem but nothing like it was before September 25th?
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I really sympathise with you. I have been using vagifem for the last 2.5 years but of late I'm getting soreness about 24 hours after sex. It doesn't matter what position we use and boy have we experimented ;D. But it can last for a whole week if we have had sex twice in one day and I'm up and down to the loo during the night as though I have a urine infection. Sometimes I'm sore even if we haven't had sex and there are days when driving is uncomfortable and I have to slouch down in the seat just to be comfortable. i have posted about this elsewhere under thew title of vagifem plus ?. I have tried using the vagifem 3 times a week before, perhaps I should try again and see if there is any improvement before trying something additional or asking the GP for an alternative
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I get my soreness If I get any almost asap it feels like weve had rough sex sore and tender
Other times its OK while we are doing it and after but the next day Im Atrophy symptoms
Weve experimented too like we used to I find doggie is a no go area I do it not everytime cos I know THAT will set it off
Thats Artophy sore with no sex most newbies to Atrophy think its sex cos thats why they go & they dont get it bad
But it isnt its everyday an ache sore red burn pain blisters shrinking labias and clitoral hoods you sit and you squirm
Cos the opeing being pushed on by your weight
Su8san a lady on here said she saw a site but cant find it where in USA she thinks it was USA say after 1 year
Redo the dosage 1 every 14 days then back to 2 a week I know 104 Vagifems is only the amount of 2 HRT pills YES 2
So 2 a week for a year is only the equiv of 2 WHOLE HRT pills so in a way maybe thats why its not as brilliant after a bit
Ive had an OK week last week bit iffy one day then back to OK im always aware of the fanny though every twinge
Every time I want to wee is it the Vagifem failing when I go will I feel like Ive gone? Atrophy is pure evil hehehehe
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I got some brilliant cream in France last time I was there, which helps. It's sold in supermarkets. if anyone's going there, I can tell you the name of it on a pm.
For soreness, I use a calendula cream which works very well. I get raw skin sometimes, also from wearing a panty pad because I'm never sure what may happen.
haven't tried vagifem as yet.
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Hope you all had a fab Chrimbo
My fanny behaved herself exstrord well
Thinking of all the nasty fannys lets hope this year brings only happy ones xxxxxxx
You have to laugh hey? xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Merry Christmas to you Suzi and to your well-behaved fanny! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Taz x
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despite discussions with hubby about more gentle foreplay etc this has im afraid fallen on deaf ears,so i use sylk in intimate moments and have just been put on hrt,but the vaginal estrogen cream sounds like something i would try..sick of my tender parts feeling like paper!
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Hi crazynana
:welcomemm:
You may find that HRT sorts it for you - many do - but if not, Vagifem is very popular among the ladies on here.
Why not introduce yourself on "New Members"? Newbies often get missed in the middle of existing threads and others will want to welcome you. :great:
Bette x
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I would rec Vagfem to anyone
BUT it doesnt make your old fanny juices work well it doesnt to me
Doesnt matter how much we kiss cuddle Its the same I just close my eyes and hope to god this time doesnt hurt to enter
Most times its fine really OK but its never the same as it was mind look at our hubbies they arent the same either
I remember not that many years ago Bobbles would be ram rod rampant now HMMMM hes not as rock hard as he once was mind with AV thank god for that Hed dribble all over the place before he even trouched me that dont happen anymore GP told him it was age (56?) and the fact hes on BP pills and COL pills but we have a good sex life
I would like it more than once a week but I also think my AV has affected him hes always worried hes hurting me
I think being too honest like I was telling him everyday how I felt wasnt a good thing to do bit like seeing a baby bron
Sounds great and is great but in principle wonder how many men feel their wives are as sexy DOWN there after watching a huge head and ripping skin YEOWWWWWWWWWWWW not mine he wouldnt even come in
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I have just been reading about this book " Down There: Sexual and Reproductive Health the Wise Woman Way" (Wise Woman Herbal Series) [Paperback]
Its sounds interesting and I will probably buy it from Amazon.
For anyone motivated to try other ways of looking after vaginal and sexual health besides hormones or as well as I do.
I have Susan Weeds other book and have dipped it it for over 15 years now and still find it useful and helpful, its not all about herbs either!
silverlady x
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Aww Hi Suzi-sorry to hear you've been having probs. You were the Vagifem poster girl as well!
I'm a bit confused though. You say that Vagi doesn't restore the tissues and make you juicy again?? I thought that's what it was for???
I'm having a bit of a blip myself as it's def not working like it was. My main problem is with sex...it's absolute agony and we have really let things slide, so much so it's a bit like the "Elephant in the room". Not good. What I was planning to do was (when my OH is away!) putting some Yes Yes Yes on a vibrator and gradually entering it to see if that does anything. But after reading about doing the 2 week thing more often I don't know if I should try that?
Who the **** would be a woman???? :'(
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I think that in the early stages of meno then Vagifem is enough to restore the tissues and to keep the vagina moist and healthy but as you go further into meno and your oestrogen levels deplete even more then, sometimes, you need full HRT to achieve the same effect. Even further in you may need HRT plus Vagifem (I have been prescribed both). Are you on vagifem?
Taz x
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I had a smear and upwards of 4 internals 4 weeks ago tomorrow
Bobbles and I made love and I bled it transpired it wasnt me but him hed got Thrush and somehow it (me?) had ripped his LOU LOU BSTATD BUGGAR BUM SOD sorry ladies but that caused me to have 4 sep internals and I was fine and moist?
Gp said he couldnt understand why sex still sometimes hurt for a bit and sometimes not?
He advised Sylk on top of a condom cos of Thrush we didnt both just used the condom needless to say it was off in 5 secs it hurt doing it with out was OK bit sore in and out motion then it went but poor Bobbless has a mind block now
Talk about TANTRIC sex bet he could give STING a run for his money he cant climax? Hes too scared hes hurting me
So he cant relax so now we have condoms cos Of Thrush (hes gone away with out taking the cream and I put it in his wash bag? So condoms then Sylk on top of it cos Im not putting it up YUKKKKKKKK
Yet Taz GP said my insides even my walls were that of a pre meno women IM wondering if Bobbles has grown SPIKES???
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Suzi - you are supposed to use condoms for a while to stop the thrush being passed between you all the time. There is no point in using the cream etc. if you are still having skin to skin contact. It will just keep happening. Also, if he has started using it and now stopped you will be back where you started really quickly!
sorry Suzi.
Taz x :hug: :hug:
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I know that I put the Thrush crem in his away bag last night
Hes away for a week this am when I got up after hed gone it was back out in the bathroom
You can lead a horse to water but ya cant make him drink!
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Hi Taz, yes I've been on Vagifem since August. Everything seems to have plumped up (outwardly at least!) but sex is still very painful. I really don't want to go on full HRT so I'm a bit stumped :-\
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Oh sorry - I read this "I'm having a bit of a blip myself as it's def not working like it was" to mean that sex wasn't working like it was ;D
Is the pain at the entrance to the vagina or deeper inside. I can remember it feeling like my man had a razor blade attached to the upperside of his willy!
Taz x
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( OH TAZ XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Mines tight to go in even with Vagifem
Very wet once in but the walls can feel very bruised in and out motion sometimes even defo sore
It then almost always goes after 2 mins or so YESSSS we last more than 2 heheheheh!!!!
Sometimes Im sore after sometimes not but its no good even pretending its like it was
4 years ago this month my AV strated wth a simple itch buggar bum sod
I kow now I will never make love again with out trepadation and sometimes pain
I miss that couple who swung from the lampshade OK so we didnt
But we did dive on the bed at 40 in a hotel and it collapsed we were told to leave hehehehe
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The entrance is fine but definitely the razor blade feeling once it's inside!
Sometimes I wonder if it's cos I'm expecting it to hurt-the mind's a very powerful thing. I'm thinking that after nearly 7 months on Vagifem this is probably as good as it's going to get?
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Does it always feel like that?
Once after a few movements doesnt it ease off untill you get dry inside?
Id maybe go back chat to Gp cant hurt
Bobbles and I can still thank God make love but it is hit and miss
Sometimes Ok but even then if Im honest I can never relax Im always tense
I try to hide it but I dont think Im a success weve gone from every week maybe twice a week to may once a fortnight
Or even 3 weeks Which causes problems Cos if its left too long my opening tightens Vagimosis I think the GP said
He didnt investigate any further he said use Condoms and Sylk and the Sylk but both of us have a thing about lube
Plus once in im wet as????????????????????????
See GP xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi you lovely girls I hope you can advise me. I "think " I have VA. Sex has burned so much and has then caused the cycle of cystitis that I can't do it anymore. Have had antibiotics on average every month for over 2 years, then 9 times out of 10 when I ring up Gp for urine results there is no infection just blood and leaukocytes but no nitrates. I did initially start with strep infection in urine 4 years ago(this is normally found in the throat ) as hub had wet his finger as I was so sore and he must have had strep throat at the time. The GP delighted in telling me !!!! >:( Since then I have been back and forth to docs thinking I have UTI's with the dreadful burning but now realise I don't have any discharge at all so most likely VA afterall. I have been trying Vagifem for 4 days and am so sore and swollen down there it actually blistered or split. I had also been smothering Yes lubricant, Aloe Vera and Emla cream and Actigel so could be a reaction from all the different ingrediants .I am stupid I know but am scared of full blown cystitis again. Yesterday I even took another Diflucan tablet in case it's thrush and have woken up with a sore rash on my face. Am so fed up girls. Shall I leave off all creams and persevere with the Vagifem. I am just burning in the vagina constantly now. My GP's are rubbish, can't get an app with lady doc for 2 weeks. even rang the GUM clinic but can't face going there as they said they can only treat sexual infections, I know I don't have any as was fully swabbed a couple of years ago. Am perimenopausal, had 8 periods last year and feel relief when they happen even though they flood and stop and start the mood and soreness goes for about 2 days. Emotions are all over the place, feel angry , numb , very anxious and have a constant headache. Having repeat blood tests as have poor kidney function for some reason. GP said could be due to the past UTI's spreading to kidney or theuse of so many strong antibiotics. Kidney on left is always aching and it's hard to pass water, I feel this is due to the swollen vagina or urethra.It does come out fast and furious if I drink coffee but that makes me jittery. I would sit in the cubicle at work and hear other women come in and gush out a wee and feel jealous. Oh girls what do you think should be my next move. I am 50 by the way . Trying not to get depressed but can feel a black cloud descending, feels like me sex life is over , no jeans and no exercise as its all too sore.:( xxxxxx
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You sound a abo Atrophy to me your symptoms sound exactly like mine
BUT STOP all rubbishy creams and potions clean fanny in shower NO SOAP
Use only the Vagifem they have probably F up your skin and messed your poor bits and bobs about
Vagifem takes a fair while thats why its every night for 2 weeks (I did 3) then 2 times a week for good
It can take up to 6months to feel really good but it will start working straight away
Just stop everything else I was diagnosed for 18mnths with Thrush yet they never found it I took Monistat you name it
The Caneston burnt my insides so much the skin started to peel off so I didnt use that
It takes a while to get wet again and Im sure your hubby did what he thought was right but if he had to wet his finger!
You must have been so dry inside bloody hells bells
I will wriet a longer reply later but stop evrything except the vagifem cool cloths on the fanny if your burning plenty of fluids we need them anyway never mind Thrush
I am jel every time I see girls and think they are so lucky yet they too will suffer this I comfort myself that even MADOONA will be menopausal mind looking at her on TV at 54 bloody hell shes either on monkey gland or is just plain bloody lucky xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Thank you for the advice Suzi Q, I will stop using all creams, potions and lubricants on my sore old parts :( can't believe I was so desperate I smothered emla cream on :o. Will persevere with vagifem and pray it works soon, this is completely debilitating. :'( I bet Madonna is HRT'd up to the eye balls . Hope you are coping with it. xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi Mrs Purple,
thank you for replying I know I shouldn't have tried all that other stuff I was stupid but was dreading the cystitis starting again and more antibiotics then more thrush.
Just a never ending cycle that is completely unnecessary and has messed up my kidneys in the process all beacuse of the debilitating VA!!!
I will just plod on with the vagifem and drink as much water as I can. I am glad it has worked for you and I know now it won't be an overnight solution. Did you worry at any point that the Vagifem might have been agrevating the pain or did you just carry on? Once again thank you. xxxxxxxxxx
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Thanks Mrs P
It was Bloody horend when I read back at the pain I was in 24/7 365 never bloody ending pain
It all started Sorbet with an itch Feb 2008 on a Sunday Id been gardening and I thought Id been bitten
I itched for a week then I was Ok about April(I keep a diary have since 1989) felt weird down there like Cystitis
Coped drinking barley water then went to GP had tests nothing in water
Went off till end of May came back again for 3 weeks burning aching pain feeling open downstairs then it went again June
September it came back and didnt go till I started Vagifem Feb 14th 2010
Pain was almost unvearable the throbbing burning suction feeling in and around my fanny what it needed was hormones
Yet I was and had been using Ovestin since 1995 plus the mini pill Then the Ovestin started falling out the next day
It fell out in a clump exactly like it had gone in I went back and forward from Sept 2008 till Feb 2010
I used Cannestin all sorts of disgusting washes for my fanny even PINETARSAL burnt me alive I couldnt sit
I wanted to pee every day all day 12/14 times though never kept me awake at night I think it was cos I was exausted
My fanny was red raw my clirroas was blood red and my uretha to the opening looked like 3rd degree burns
I felt like I was sitting on a golf ball only respite was lying down I didnt want to go to the lavatory I knew id burn
Taz my nag and CLKD and TAZZY woff helped me so much with out them and the site god alone only knows
I joined men matter Aug 2009 a GP told me too bout the only good thing he did for me
It took the above ladies till Sat 13th Feb 2010 to go back to GP I did got on the tabel he took one look he didnt even
Give me an internal mind I think head and flying off his shoulder would have come to mind he said SUGAR well actually be said Bastard called Bobbles in and said my god he gave me Vagifem with in a week or so that suction ache went
I took it for 3 weeks everyday slowly but surely my Bartholin glands went down as I didnt and dont have a prolapse
The burning stopped only was there when I weed that lasted anbother 3 months or so took till August to feel normal
Well as normal as you can with Atrophy BUT THE great thing was the cystits feeling went with in a few weeks as the kneck of the bladder got the hormones I know how it works but read about your bladder needing the hormones to make it well again TAZ explain please xxx As for sex is hit and miss sometimes its YUK sometimes YESSSSSSSSSSSS
Put it this way Sep and Oct 2010 we went to Paris Ital Venice and Wallasey England and we made love everywhere!
PLEASE get rid of all the shite 1 tip can you wash your hair in the sink? I did so no hair soap got on my fanny?
Thats not a perm thing I did it for the first 3 months but even now I lean my head forward and wash then the same rinse I try not to get any shampoo on my fanny I use Goats milk or Olive oil soap only under the arms gently
No soap on the bottom either OK but maybe too much here but I pull my bottom cheeks let the shower rinse me
We are getting a bidet here in the house next month I still dont wash my bits in soap
I use Olive Oli soap from Farmers Markets it works and makes the skin very soft
It will help the Vagifem for me the real scarey part was the outer Vaginal Atrophy my genitalia shrank
Inner labias almost non existant theyve shrivelled in to the skin my clittoral hood just about covers my man in a boat
I had HUGE inner labias they hung down and a HUGE outie (hood) Id get embarrased at times now look like a 8 year old
Feeling of being open was my outer mons had sank on the inner part each side as no hormones thats why I felt open
Do they look better NO have they grown back NO do they hurt NO do they burn ? hardly ever Can I sit YES
Can I have sex YES am I wet again OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH yes dont give up OK chin up we are women and we
ROCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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yes persevere with the Vagifem. When I started Vagifem I couldn't do any exercise or long dog walks because of the sore ness and irritation. It took a while to kick in probably because my last period was at 45 and I was 53 when the VA kicked in. Now coping on 10 mg twice a week. Do sometmes get an iffy day and then just pop an extra one in. No sex though. Was so painful that I hace a real mental block about going down that route and stirring things up again.
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I love the Botox for the Fanny hehehehehe
Its not a cure Atrophy cant be cured once you have it its there 4 ever
But it can be managed some ladies can contol it
Sadly not that many most are like me 100% for a few days then 95% for a few days
Sex can be a terrible stumbling block but its always been vitaly important to BOTH of us not just Bobbles
He too has been affected with my Atrophy mentaly and Physicaly
Every day Id give him a description of my fanny and soreness hes the type of chap thats uncomfortable with lady bits
So for him hes always terrified that hes hurting me which of course has affected him sexually
He hardly ever climaxes anymore hes too scared to go on for long
Im always scared after entry which to be fair was always a tight fit its true what they say hes 6/5 size 13 feet!!!!!
Me im 5/2 had a 6lb baby and had an epsiotomy I was and still am small but even smaller downstairs than I used to be
Most times though after the initial inward ouch Im fine I dont really want sex anymore nevr thought id ever say that
BUT I need sex be one person to me the small bit of pain which isnt always is 100000% worth it
I try to make sure he knows it hurts getting in but once in always 100% ok or so he thinks id say 50/50
For loads of ladies though once Vagifem works they are fine sexually I think that bit is hit and miss
For me Vagifem was a god send I take 25mg Sun /Thur that seems enough on the very odd occasion I use 1 more xxx
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Still very uncomfortable and swollen but am doing all you lovely girls have advised and hoping it goes soon. All the antibiotics for the non existant urine infections have caused kidney damage so that is a bugger. So will prob need investigations there and frankly have had enough and can't be bothered. I certainly couldn't face any internals its just too painful !!!! >:(
I can't believe all this has happened, I have thought over the years maybe it was urethra syndrome as it's hard to say where the swelling and pain are but sex is agony so it must be the vagina and it affects the urinary systems as well.I understand how you feel Borchesterlass :( I am not sure what to put on the bits where the skin has split and the sore patches inside the front part. I did think about hydrocortisone but as Susan said it thins the skin. Am just using plain water , don't feel clean but can't risk any more reactions from trying different products. Will just be a relief when it starts to go. Was agony to wee this morning, I know it will take time. Suzi Q you have been to hell thank you for sharing and I am sorry you are all suffering from this.Thank you so much . What a pity we have to meet due to this bugger of a condition. I am jealous of all the women who sail through meno. I never thought this would happen to me but I have read that years ago hundreds of women were put in asylums when they were menopausal !!!!!I feel such a kinship with you and you have comforted me, Thank you . Please stay in touch . xxx
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Just hang on in there
If you have paper like cuts on your vaginal skin and its splitting the skin yes?
I found the one thing that helped and still does is Nilstat you can buy it over the counter I got it from Superdrug
Its a Thrush cream Bobbles is in fact slathering it over his LOU LOU cos of THRUSH he got from me :D
Its soothing I find with in 48hrs just putting it on the cuts and the front part it heals up
If the skin there gets too dry its Due to lack of hormones then irritation and dryness causes the skin to pull and crack
So it splits like a paper cut and gets sore and burns cos of the urine and warm area and dryness
Another tip when you can wear No knickers let the air get at you always wear panty liners non smelling ones
I changed my knickers up to 3/4 times a day while I was healing and every time I peed id change my panty liner
No antis unless abso ness Ive only had 2 courses in over 2 yrs both for chest infections it was abso ness I took them
If you dont have a Urine infection then any fluids will do Tea water even coffee but lots of water
Not too much that your peeing for Britain though dont go too mad as you can get irritation thorugh that
I did that and realised I was causing myself more problems as I was drinking way too much for no reason
Just drink say 4/5 glasses of water a day what I go to the sink I to this day have a glass there
I fill it half way and drink it I may be washing dishes or filling the kettle but i will fill a small glass half up and swig it
I know all this sounds horrible and OH god I cant be doing with this but honest its only for a few moths
Once the Vagifem works and your bits and bobs settle down you can manage it for yourself find what works for you
I stopped wearing my jeans in the day and wore loose trackies in the house and only worse my jeans out
I live in Brisbane Ozz now (Im from the Wirral) and the jeans made it worse I also bought a couple of op shop jeans
Got them size too big so if people came over at night I could wear them with long nice top my fanny wasnt squished
If sex hurts and your dry and skins splitting you sound like me and loads of ladies on here with Atrophy
My GP told me not to have baths either (water gets inside) and if I swim wear knickers underneath cossie4 protection
Please hang in there dont be scared it sounds horrible and your thinking OH GOD but it eases off just take one day at a time it will ease off maybe not this month but everyday that the Vagifem goes up it starts to get hormones up there Every day it will start to ease as I said mine was like yours I took Vagifem 25mg for 3wks every day I asked my GP :-*
Its not an overnight cure try to keep stress down have cuddles do things go to piccies together meals and be happyx
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I'm not on HRT and I take Starflower Oil which seems to control the hot flushes. Occasionally I get vaginal itch. I use Replens for this. What I am wondering is could this be connected to eating too much sugary food. I have found that if I eat a lot of sweets or biscuits that the itching starts shortly after. It might have nothing to do with it but I am just curious.
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The more I read on here the more I think I may have got off lightly! OK I can't have sex ( :-\) but at least I'm not experiencing horrendous pain and soreness like some of you poor things. Also, (though I'm not in the habit of getting my mirror out and examining myself) I am positive my lady bits on the outside are back to normal....so why aren't they inside?? Grrrr!
What I'd like to know is: Has anyone been able to resume their sex life, painlessly, after being on Vagifem?
Also on the topic of Madonna and the menopause, I read somewhere she had allegedly remarked "Get the cream!" but when questioned further wouldn't elaborate. Thanks a bunch Madge!
The specialist I saw who prescribed Vagi said she herself was on full HRT. She said she couldn't possibly function without it and seemed to have no worries about it, but from what I've read on here it doesn't appear to be the cure-all it's cracked up to be.
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OK simple question
How do you know sex is going to be painful if your not doing it?
How do you know they arent back to normal inside?
My sex life is sometimes pain free totaly and then sometimes a bit sore on entry but OK after a few in outs
Its never the same I agree you tense up and then its OK
Bet Maddooonaaa is on anything and eberything one thing even she cant change is BIOLOGY
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A sore fanny on fire day today girls. Am lying here with a cool flannel on me old parts.That Kings of Leon song "Sex on Fire " should be our theme ;)
I have noticed a link with sugar. I abstained for a while to rule out diabetes and there was an improvement. When I went back to it the burning was worse than ever.
Thanks so much for all advice . Am thinking of you all xxxxxx
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I dont think my 'bits' are dry but they feel sore and I keep getting spasm like pains going from the outside in - I am petrified! Help I am 51 and my periods are getting shorter - now down to 2 or 3 day :'(s and less regular - darent contemplate sex - am frightened to death
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Aw salad girl don't be scared , it sounds like VA. I didn't think mine were dry it was just so sore and throbbing , my periods are the same as your too ....but it creeps up so slowly and takes time to get really bad. Please don't worry and read what the other girls have advised. xxxxx
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thanks Sorbet - I am such a scardy cat - I was admitted to A and E last year with spasm pains in my bowel - was agony and they never found out what it was just gave me buscopan! It feels like my bits are so heavy and slicing pains all over then this piggin spasm thing, last month it was dry so the doctor gave me some pessaries but I darent take them as they are HRT things - just a bundle of nerves at the moment and stressed out at work - all getting a bit much I think - then again I am lucky to have a job with such liovely people and in a lovely place - I am coming back as a seagull next time
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Thank you xx
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Susan is soooooo right I Fked up big time I left it fought the pain
Too scared to go to see GP and have proper stuff done accepted when I was told Thrush Thrush Thrush
I knew in my heart that it was hormones but had never heard of Atrophy I mean who does
Its nothing you talk about over dinner OH by the way gosh my fannys dry and sore HM hehehehehe
As it happens oddly enough one of my ex work pals called around during the week havmt seen her for months
We chatted and talked one thing led to another and out it came all the symptoms Atrophy
Brought her up to the comp printed out from a site for her to take to her GP whod told he as she was doing a smear
My pals cried out in pain she said stop being a bay so your dry have more sex this was an over 50 female GP too
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hope you are okay salad girl and your mind is a little more peaceful. Iwas feeling lots better having been using vagifem for 6 days but the cystitis has come back with a vengence today. take care xxx
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Never using that buggar Sylk again my fanny BURNT
It said it was natural and it didnt hurt it was lovely but a few hours later felt like my Atrophy was coming back
Vagi in Sunday as norm everyday its been hotter down there tonuight I was on fire and bruised feeling
So Ive just put an extra Vagifem in tonight thats about the 3rd extra in over 18mnths Ive ever used
This is crapola though really sore achy stingy and when I pout the Vagifem in it was very tender inside
I looked deep in to Sylk and low and behold I found a tiny thing that said if irritaion occurs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUGGAR BUM SOD lets hope it goes asap Ive been so good and sorry but it seems too coincidental
Used Sylk on Bobbles LOU LOU made love and with in hours The Atrophy ache and burn started crap!@!!!!!!
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Oh Suzi...sounds as though you are having a reaction from the Sylk . Hope things settle for you again soon and the sylk goes and your body can recover quickly. I am having breakthrough bleeding since starting the Vagifem, like dark brown old blood. don't know if I should continue or not. It's all trial and error and sometimes it's hard to know what to do for the best. Feel well soon , hope that burning settles . xxxx
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Did you look at the green menu hang on I will see if ive a phamplet
While you are using Vagfiem mild sides include mild break through bleeding may occur
If it keeps on then maybe ring GP or go have a talk if its BRIGHT RED blood then Id go asap
OH dark brown old blood well Id not worry didnt they give you info inside?
www.vagifem.co think thats it have a look see what other sides
Mine were achy boobs and the runs still get them and period pains even though Ive not had one since Aug 1994 xxxx
Put the extra one in last night I norm do Sun and Thur but I was red hot on fire last night so in it went
With in 2 hours or so it eased a lot didnt go but eased
This am so far at 11am Ive been to the loo and its a bit teeeny bit not as normal but OK just see how the day goes?
BUT I wont be using Sylk again Id rather have ouch on entry and a bit tender than put up with thia
Oddly enough we used a condom a couple of weeks ago and nothing wonder whats on the outside of that? xxxxx
Its now 5pm nearly and the day beside the trots which Im is either IBS as the GOP said or Vagifem
But fanny has been almost normal all day when I woke bit stingy but by 11am it was gone
Its still not still very tender still now at 6.30pm a bit stingy but much better than Tuesday thanks to the extra Vagifem
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Suze, it's great that just that extra Vagifem seems to work so quickly for you and your vagina is trying to get it's normal balance back. I am not bothered about old blood but will mention to GP. The replens makes me sore so I daren't use anything. Take care xxxxx
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Always said I had a funny fanny hehehehe
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Thursday evening fine all day funny fanny eased off almost 100%
Rode the bike went to see the Queen Mary 2 which is berthed in Brisbane it was magnificent
Put my normal Vagifem in and it slid in like butter no soreness
So beware the LUBE hehehe
Hope Im ok tomorrow????????
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Suzi :foryou: :foryou: :foryou:
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I can say its almost better in went the vagifem like butter not sore at all inside
But outsides still hard to describle it tingly no sensative maybe? A sort of feeling is how I can put it
Bit dry though Im soaking Vagifem Sunday Tuesday and last night
Im just aware enterence isnt sore or stingy again it feels like it could be anymoment now if you get my drift?
Dont want to wee yet do want to we water clear as a bell siting down the enterence is just :there: I can feel it
I can feel it typing not a pain not exactly soreness its just like youve had sex thats what it feels like yes!
Want to wee wee a bit more but not loads just not as good as this time last week or the weeks before
Buggar heheheh you have to laugh hey or youd bloody cry xxxxx
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Hi ladies
Well it's been a few months but it seems like topical oestrogen is off the menu due to irritation.
I'm trying to find out a bit more about non-hormone moisturisers. I tried sylk and replens but they make me or my DH itch/sore, I'm really sensitive to skin products.
Just trying to find something that might help with vulval dryness and itch. Has anyone treid Yes or Multigyn? Failing that it's back to the kitchen cupboard ( olive oil 'Extra Virgin' of course ;) ).
Be great to hear if anyone has had any successes with non hormone products. Thanks!
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I use Yes and can sing their praises!
I use quite alot of it and you do get some occasional residue/sticky substance deposits but worth it! I also tend to use a little Pure castor oil as well so that I do not get sore at all. I use Ovestin but still have to look to using Yes in addition otherwise I am still quite dry :-\
Recently I saw some lubricant called PJUR it is made in Germany and there is one I used for extra sensitive skin and so far I have not got ANY burning with this product - fingers crossed it remains that way.
I hope you find something that works for you ;)
Rebecca
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Hi
Many thanks, coconut oil, interesting. I use virgin organic coconut oil from Handmade naturals as a body moisturiser, so might pop a bit on to try. I am just trying to get the Bounty advert out of my mind as I type :-)
'Yes' sounds promising too.
Thank you ladies! Mrs P you always have something nice and helpful to say thank you x
I just wondered, is anyone else having to address this prob without using oestrogen? I posted about 6 months ago about my trials and tribs with vagifem and ovestin :angryfire:. Now have had a very helpful consultation with a gynaecologist and am having a rethink - should I start a new thread?
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Maybe my Vagifem works then I get days maybe 2 or 3 where it doesnt its never like it used to be
Its mostly only sore at the enterance and the wanting to wee wee
Yesterday brilliant only went 4 times from sun up to bedtime
Today been loads and feel like I need too and am soreish
The times IM 100% are about the same as im ok
At least going to the GP after Bobbles and the bleed and all the exams I know its not cancer
But OH GOD I WISH IT WAS EVEN 50% like it used to be
I want to make love this week after not doing it for 2 weeks due to the Fkin Sylk
IM scared though I was fine for 3 weeks everyday before the Sylk since then 2 days ok 1 not 3 days ok 2 not?
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:o :o
Beffuddled and bemused
Been free of bleeding for 4 years now get small loss everyday accompanied with what feels like period pains. gynae checkup shows no probs with uterus or ovaries but exam showed some changes due to vaginal atrophy. should i bleed evryday and have pains akin to cramps and stitch. also have hot flushes 100s times per day and soaking night sweats. at wits end but trying to laugh it off. ADVICE & hugs please
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Hi loonylady
:welcomemm:
:hug: :bighug: :hug: :bighug: :) Hugs always available here! ;)
VA needs treatment - something local like Vagifem would help but full HRT should help the flushes too. Have you considered that?
Why not introduce yourself on "New Members" - newbies often get missed in the middle of existing threads and others will want to welcome you.
Bette x
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Welcome looney
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Join the AV club hehehehe ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Im now on Vagifem 3 times a week 25m the 2 times stopped working as well
Uts not a cure all and for many of us HRT isnt an option in anyway shape or form
Hi looony
Now if youve been free of periods for 4 years YOU MUST SEE GP
Get a double check just to make sure
No you shouldnt be bleeding everyday not 4 years after and have period pains
Go back i would and as for flushes they sound horrible poor you cant the GP give you something?
Id be getting that sorted before I worry about the Atrophy unless it is your Vaginal walls that are bleeding if thats so they should have told you thats what was bleeding and then you could have taken HRT in some form or other xxxxxx
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I should maybe ask for 10mgs to use Purple use 2x25 and 1x10
Im going to do a every 3rd night routine as from Sunday for 2 weeks
Then go back to 2 times a week see what happens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hugs Suzi Q 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
OT HERE INIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Hi everyone - I havent been here for a while struggling with the vagina thing still and the rest - went to GP but as putting the vagifem pessaries in was too painful she gave me some HRT cream which I am supposed to insert twice a week - I have had a period inbetween taking it for 2 weeks and then twice a week - during my period I felt 'normal' down there. Am paranoid about cancer again - still have the pain, the anxiety, lower abdominal pain and stabbings inside and out and periods when I am wide awake with a feeling of dread at 4am - by 2 in the afternoon I am exhausted - could cry for England but am more annoyed at myself for moaning about it all. Thanks for all your wonderful posts - I think I am going to try the vagifem again as putting this cream into the tube and then washing the tube is not the most hygenic of things and - yet again I am worrying about this. Just out of interest I have a terrible 'metal' taste in my mouth - is this normal? Have forgotten what normal is I!!!! Thanks again - this is a truly wonderful site ;)
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Been on the Vagifem and Ovestin for three days. Work up feeling dizzy and nauseous - coincidence or side effect? Think I have sdeveloped hyperchondria!! I am quite a Twit!!
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Ive never heard of that either?
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Well deduced MrsP one internal the other for external bits. Day 2 of nausea and dizziness. Still can't decide if it coincidence or not. Will persevere for now. Finding this forum is the best medicine too.
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Well I have been back to GP AGAIN - weepy, sore back and front - am going to try the vagifem tonight and also have got Trazadone tablets because 4 hours sleep is catching up with me - was prescribed sertraline but dont like the sound of what it does side-effec t wise - - am going away for a f :-\ew days and am dreading it so lets see how things go. Just had another period so am gonna do the twice a week thing with it and see if it helps - cant be coping with this and the feeling of doom and gloom - just want to wake up feeling like i want to be alive - all this lovely sun and all i have done is sit and cry and wriggle.
Thanks for all the support on here - just :-\ totally fed up now and want to be at least 50% happy 50% of the time - take care
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Im the Vagi Queen
14 days sometimes 21 days if its bad
Then 2 times a week you choose the days I do Sunday and Thursday evenings
Its important that you understand that its not a CURE bit its a managment protol
You still have periods? And you are still dry?
I dont now how you would do it with periods?
Id wait till the are over then start 14 days then 2 times a week xxx
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I use it Suzi while using a bleed HRT. It's fine - you just put it in as normal.
Taz x
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My VA began 4 years into meno. I too had no idea what was happening. After diagnosis I thought " That's it then - old age now means leaky bladder, soreness, daily bleeding and painful nooky. " On top of depression due to 3 bereavements in 11 months I felt dreadful.
I am very fortunate that my Gp is great - added Vagifem and Ovestin to my growing arsenal if medication. Result has been spectacular! No more bleeding, soreness or painful nooky and a bonus of completely curing my leaky bladder. I have completed the 14 days and into the 2x weekly routine. Don't know how long this will last but delighted with the relief for now. If it hadn't been for finding this forum I wouldn't have had the confidence to go and get the VA sorted in the first place. THANK-YOU! :thankyou:
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Yes - Vagifem internally and Ovestin externally - apparently no scientific proof of external benefit but lots of anecdotal evidence and its worked wonders for me.
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Thought I'd post here although have posted in the privacy section around the same subject, but as I have been given new information today I would like to share it with you and see if anyone else has had a similar experience.
Story: Low dose HRT Very low dose 0.3mg oestrogen and 1.5 of progesterone and vagifem. All has been good until 4 months ago when I was having more VA problems so started using 3 x a week. Have a great GP but she said she would rather I did the 14 day throw everything at it and then go back to 2 x a week. This worked fine a couple of months ago but then after only a month i was sore again and have had to do another 14 day stint. On holiday so thought great I can go and see my GP. Did a little research and thoght there are other vaginal products I could try with more oestrogen. Unfortunately GP on holiday :( so arranged to see another lady GP I had seen before. So I marched in feeling all optimistic only for her to say she wasn't sure >:( and didn't I know about the cream issue :o. No I said. Well according to her it is felt that as we end up taking 2 different sources of oestrogen that this can impact on your uterus ( if you still have one) and cause thickening. There is the thought it increases the risk of endometrial cancer. So basically I would be better making another appt to see my usual GP as she didn't want to give me anything the other GP wouldn't have. Well you know how it is when your sore and have had to wait ages for an appt only to be told they can't help and go and see the usual one. >:(
I thought that generally the absorption of the vaginal oestrogen into the system was meant to be very low and therefore not an issue???
She said had I thought about using KY jelly, nearly leapt down her throat at this point. Didn't mean to be told her the other GP said it was the last thing we should use. She looked mortified. Did add we already used lube (didn't add that we could write our own scientific paper on the different types and which works best!!! :D)
So she has given me Replens which I haven't tried before and some of the feed back isn't great, but felt that if I had least given it a go and it was useless I could tell the GP in 2 WEEKS time :-\.
So anyone have any comment as to her information, heard anything similar or managed to swap easily from vagifem to something else without too many problems. Personally I would have thought that as I'm taking such a low dose HRT it wouldn't be as bad.
So as usual ladies your thoughts or experiences, both good and bad gratefully received
Thanks :) Sorry its such a long post
Anne
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Thanks for that Susan. All I wanted to do was swap to another vaginal medication. So am hoping that my usual GP will have something different to say on the subject
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JUst shows you in MY DAY 1994 knowone knew sod all
I would have thought if you were still haviung periods then you had hormones
Having hormones would mean your fanny would be moist???????????????
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Having posted how well vagifem and ovestin have worked, I'm wondering if its the experience of others for the benefits to wear off between the twice weekly doses?
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I've got the 25 vagifem. How do you tailor your doses Mrs Purple? Due back at gp next week so would welcome info to take with me. Been brilliant knowing support is so close at hand. :valkyrie:
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Thanks for the info. My gp is great so it'll give me some ideas to share. :thankyou:
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Thanks for the posting Mrs P I wouldn't have thought of going down that route but definitely something to have under my belt when I finally go back to the GP
Cheers. Hopefully soon will be feeling more :D than :'(
Its bloody awful when you just think you have everything under control and another bloody symptom crops up >:(
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I am having real problems at the moment with itching and soreness, its getting me down. I havent got much of a control & are using a variety of stuff desparately trying to help this. My gp recommended I started on low dose hrt which I have been taking for around a month. I use gynest cream couple times a week and have started to use replens couple times a week.
I found after a week off work it abated a bit & seemed in control but then once I had sex it flares up again. It gets really sore & itchy. I need to go back to GP for advise managing this but just thought would share my experiences as I have read here a lot of you suffer too.
I dont like the HRT because its made me depressed!, so thats making it harder to handle, think I will have to come off that. Makes my boobs sore too!, so I do tend to think whats the point!
sheila
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OK go back if you dont,like HRT pills patches what ever diont take them
You need for the fanny to be on either 14days of Vagifem and then 2 times a week
Or someother HRT cream or pressaries
Replens and all those others dont get rid of the problem of burning pain sandpaper
You need hortmoes direct to the Vagina and the walls
See the GP OK xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I never took HRT either but its not for everyone to take it or not take it you like everyone else have to decide xxx
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Hi Sheila - it takes at least three months before the symptoms such as sore boobs subside so after a month you really haven't got a good idea of whether it will work eventually for you. If your dryness is quite advanced then you may find that vagifem alone will not be enough oestrogen to help. Why not give the HRt a bit longer. Which type are you using. Some of them have the progesterone Norethisterone in which can lead to depressed mood or pmt symptoms. These can sometimes even out though after the first few months.
Taz x
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Hello, I'm new and have been following this topic for a few months now and finally plucked up the courage to join. Ladies, your advice has helped me greatly, I'd never heard of Vagifem before.
I've been sufferring from VA since September as you know, it's so sore, painful and itchy, it really gets you down :'( I had a hysterectomy in November due to fibroids and was given Progynova 2mg for the VA by my Consultant. Didn't help so after reading on here about Vagifem I asked my GP for it who was happy to prescribe it but didn't know enough about it, she reduced my Progynova to 1mg. It hasn't really helped. Tried every cream and Replens etc, went back my GP (different lady who was horrible and I was in tears, her quote to me was 'Ive seen worse') I was mortified!
Anyway, she referred me back to my Consultant who performed my operation (whom I saw yesterday)who confirmed that because I don't have a womb, I'm low risk and I can take Vagifem everyday and has increased my Progynova back up to 2mg also, vagasil and sudocream were also recommended. I now feel like a weight has been lifted and there is a light at the end of the 'sandpaper' tunnell!!!! ;D
Thank you for all your advice. It's a comfort to know that I'm not the only one sufferring this horrible thing, I just wish that none of us were :(
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I am about three months in using 10 mcg twice a week, but don't feel I am getting any real benefit from it and still have a lot of dryness. Also noticing I have had quite a few headaches since I've been on it, and wonder if anyone else has noticed this.
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You probably need 25mg sweetie every day for 2 weeks
Then twice a week
10mgs may not be enough to work for you 10mgs are fairly new
I started 2 years ago and 10mg didnt exist then good luck xxx
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As I said I use 258mg Sun and Thur
A few times Ive had a blip and put an extra one in on a Tuesday did that in March for 3 Tuesdays
Blip righted its self and for the last 4 weeks been back to Sun and Thur
Put in tonight been on Amoycillin since Monday hey ho bit of stingy as it went in bit of pale lemon Gunk on aplicattor
Hope its OK IM away Sunday to Noosa Lakes Resorts up the coast and if I get an attack I wont want to go
Have to my cousins here from Wallasey this is Bobbles gift to her for me going and staying at hers when family was sick
Think I maybe getting though I hope to GOD Im wrong Thrush YUOCHHHHHHHHHHH
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Went back to gp and reported overall success of vagifem and he has prescribed vagifem again. Says I can tailor it to whatever doses suit me. So pleased with the results after a month - its helped with water works too. No bladder urgency since I started treatments. Once again I have to let everyone know that it was this forum that led me to this solution. Don't know how long I will feel this way but I'm going to enjoy it whilst it lasts! :D
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Yes me too. read about it on here and then suggested it to doc, she even takes it now!
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she even takes it now!
Love that, borchesterlass! ;D
Bette x
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Yep and she told me she recommends it to her patients. So who needs a medical degree, just
access to this forum and we can save the world!
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Hello Ladies! Been reading about Vagifem with great interest- some of my new meno sisters seem to recommend highly. I don't think I am suffering VA yet but noticed a few small changes and def very dry these days. Going for a smear test next week so will ask to be prescribed some.the regime seems a little complicated so hope it comes with all the right instructions and dosage. Do you use it all the time I'd only for 3 months at a time?
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I've been using Vagifem since Feb but went back to my gynae as didn't feel it was working. She's told me to use it everyday (as I've had a hysterectomy and there's no risk). I'm not really felling the benefit of it yet. How long does it take to work please? The VA is awful, really gets me down :(
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It worked for me within two weeks Vera. Eventually, though, I needed full HRT to give me the same results and then full HRT plus vagifem to keep everything ok. Are you on HRT and do you mind me asking how old you are?
Taz x
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Thank you Susan. I hope it goes ok- its been a while since I had one and it's a new practice and nurse to me as we have moved recently. Will use some of my own lubricant I think! I'll let you know how it goes thank you xx
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Hi Taz & Susan, thanks for your replies, I really appreciate your help.
I'm on Vagifem 10mg and Progynova 2mg per day. I am only just starting to feel a teeny bit better, it takes ages though doesn't it? I did consider asking for the higher doseage of Vagifem but I'll see how I get on. I'm 47 and had a hysterectomy in November but I still have my ovaries although they aren't behaving themselves!
Thanks ladies xx :-*
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Dont give up Vera
It can take up to 6mnths for Vagifem to work properly and I use 25mg 2x7 Occasionaly 3x7 if I have a BLIP
I started mine Feb 2010 it started to help with in days it still took till late July 2010 to feel what passed for normal
Its not a CURE Vagifem its a help VA never goes away you will have good weeks then a few bad days or you may not
With you taking HRT and Vagifem Im sure given time you will be tickety boo
Remember also to ditch all the soap stuff noit let it get any where near the old fanny dept
Buy goats milk or olive oil soap natural so it doesnt dry up the skin and outer tissue
Wash my hair now in the shower but for first few months washed it in the sink If I have what I call a BLIP I still do :-*
PS Im having a Blip right now mine seems stress related Im a Mart to my fanny hehehehehehe
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Hi, I`m new to the site and found it by looking for info about VA.
Just what I`ve read over the last few days has made me feel so much more positive :)
Bit about me:
Periods started at 10
Periods stopped naturally at 49 in 2003
Couple of months later was diagnosed with oestrogen positive breast cancer, treated with surgery, radiotherapy and 5 years of Tamoxifen
Have a large (3 inch diam) fibroid
Been on anti-convulsants for epilepsy for 44 years.
I`m sadly "lucky" not to be in a sexual relationship, but could do with a really good cuddle from time to time ;)
My VA probs (all the usual: dryness, itchy, sore, aching, dragging pelvic feeling, and the occasional UTI) started about 2008, quickly diagnosed by my wonderful gynae and attributed by him to the Tamoxifen treatment. Nobody that I know has (or talks about) VA, and so I thought he was correct.
For about 18 months I was much better just using Replens MD, then started getting UTIs each time I tried the application.
Because of the cancer I shouldn`t use any oestrogen at all, but in 2010 my gynae prescribed Ovestin cream using the QOL argument and I agreed. Tried it 3 times and felt very strange each time - visual disturbances, dizziness, feeling wobbly. After research I found out that it shouldn`t be used in conjunction with my 2 anti-convulsants, phenobarbital and phenytoin.
I resigned myself to acceptance of the unpleasant symptoms, but the UTIs are becoming more frequent, and the antibiotics are getting less effective each time. I dread the UTIs, and I`m only 57. Is this it for the rest of my life?
Thanks to this wonderful site I realise that I`m not the only one with an amazing disappearing fanny ;D ;D ;D
I`ve read a lot recently about D-mannose and Uva Ursi (bearberry) natural remedies for UTIs.
Has anybody tried these with success?
Things that have helped me are:
Replens MD
Pears soap, which is pure soap, nothing added
Sudocrem (baby nappy rash cream) for itchiness. It has a lovely lavender smell which hides the unpleasant other smell 8)
Not crossing my legs when sitting :)
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Thank you Mrs P and Susan.
I relate to so much on this site, and its lovely to have someone to "talk" to without feeling I`m embarrassing the other person ::)
Big hugs
JJ xxx
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Morning Jules
if you have found something that helps you fantastic
Youve had a rotten time and you deserve and help you can get or find
Is Vagifem and NO NO then with Cancer? Ive no idea!
s for the vanishing fanny yep knowone talks about it
Lady on here Taz told me what was going on with my bits was normal
I found a great site called agingdownunder its an Ozzie site
Plus if you type in all the info you will find a lot of sites that explain
My fanny now is almost like a prepubecent childs except for the grey hair OK salt n pepper hehehe
I honestly think Meno is the last great taboo in life yet 51% of the entire worlds going to go through it
\Good luck hope your days a nice one xxx Suzi Q
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Hi Suze, thanks for your post.
I`m going to see my GP next week armed with new info - she quakes when she sees me ;)
I want to ask her about Vagifem and Estring, and any interactions with my anti-convulsants.
Also want to ask about D-mannose and Uva Ursi for the same reason. I will try anything now!
Re: grey pubes - mine were the first hairs that turned white way back when I was 45. I`m very shortsighted and thought it was talc. Spent ages trying to brush it off ::)
Have a great day! xxx
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Me too Mrs P. I now have lovely smooth legs, no longer look like an extra from Highlander.
And I know where its all gone........my upper lip!! ;D ;D
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Its scarey when you think its failing
I had a bad blip in late February I was convinced this was it finito pain
I used an extra 1 x25 so 3x7 for 3 weeks and it worked well
Im back on 2x7 but I know that if needed I can go back to 3x7
When I have my blip it used to be a day or 2 now its a week or more before I resort to 3
Never again as soon as it starys to go iffy shive a Vagifem in hehehehehe
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Glad your OK
If you can go on Vagifem you will feel benefit
Cys doesnt make you itchy not that Ive ever heard?
Soreness in sex? I have had nerv cystits since I was a late teen
Never had pain in sex?
But youve done exactly the right thing seeing GP get well soon xxx
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HI Susan
I looked as did my fab GP there is NO proven scientific evidence to say Yoghurt has any effect of anything
Its good for you in general but wont cure cystitis and defo not THRUSH
Its become an almost Urban Myth like Cranberry My GP and GYNY said slapping it on your fanny will only help like a BALM
Its a dead product like Collagen unless youve got live collagen injection the creams you put on your face are daft
My Bro in law worked on this stuff and explianed when Collagen creams etc became all the rage just putting dead cells
As for anitbis yep 95% of the time I get an attack of Thrush so I only use them when theres abso no choice
I get nervy cystitis any stress goes straight to my fanny and bladder I use ADs for that
Hope your feeling better now heyyyyyyyyyy :P :P :P :P :P :-* :-* :-* :-*
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HE HE HE
I did it you know I bought a pack of old STs and slapped Live Yoghurt god is was shushy hehehe
Thats exactly what GP said if you go on to a myriad of normal sites they will say exactly the same
It cant hurt but it does nothing except make you feel a right pratt hehehehe
I take 25m too and over the last 2 and a half years after the initial Ive probably out in about 10 extra ones not bad really
Oddly enough today Ive a feeling of wanting to peee and a bit of pressure over my lower abdo?
Not stressed I dont think cant sleep but its been a while now since an iffy day so maybe this is it
Not putting a Vagifem in its due tomorrow so I will just wait its not that bad not running every 5mins its mre pressure over lower abdo than wanting to wee get drinking my lemon barley heheheheh
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NHS says no ;D
"Although using yoghurt won't do you any harm, there's no evidence to suggest that it will relieve the symptoms of thrush or help treat it and it should not be considered a main treatment.
If you want to try using plain live yoghurt, one method is to smear it directly over the vulva to ease any soreness or irritation and then insert it directly into the vagina.
The easiest way to do this is to use a tampon with an applicator. Push the tampon back inside the applicator, add about one teaspoon of plain live yoghurt to the space and insert the tampon in the usual way. Remove the tampon an hour later. "
Taz :)
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I mean it says it does NOTHING so why would you
Smush a tampon full of YOGGY gluck and shoooove it up there EWWWWWWWWWW
Imagine kncked down by a double decker bus and they say OH god we cant touch this one she full of yogyy
Eat it OK but if your fannys is sore get Nilstat rub that over the outer parts its brilliant
Those little paper cuts that appear vanish with in 24hrs xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi girls
Hubby and me both used vaseline last night and for the first time in a while all was okay. Such a relief, was starting to dread attempting it! x ;)
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WHAY TO GO GIRL YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Ovestin cream now, much better. I didn't like Replens at all but I won't go into that. I used to get thrush but not so much now since using the cream. :)
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Thats cos Replens is just a LUBE
Ovestin is HRT related Vaginal cream thats why your better
OH and yep kow all about lubes used Sylk one time
Took 3 weeks of pain and burning to get rid of just one small amount on Bobbles LOU LOU ;D
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I started with Vagifem after a smear when the nurse said that I was a bit dry. It gave me some anxiety and migraine headaches. :( I had a break from it in the summer because of the headaches and when I started it again, it seemed to be working but I was still sore and had discharge. My GP prescribed Ortho Gynest estriol cream which helped a little but it made me drowsy at half the recommended dose. Also the vagina felt swollen and the ring of sore skin at the entrance was still there. I read an article by Carol Leonard entitled "Remedies for an unhappy vagina" and tried Vitamin E suppositories which did make things more comfortable. When the soreness was bad I had salt baths (a generous amount of table salt in bath or portable bidet) and steroid cream prescribed by GP.
I am updating this post as I have since visited a menopause clinic and have been prescribed a low dose estrogen patch and am using this with progesterone cream. Feeling much more comfortable. :)
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Hi Liz2, Just wondered where you got the vitamin E suppositories from?
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They are by Carlson and Amazon sell them. I have read that a lot of women are pleased with them, they are not a new remedy.
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Yes I did get the Carlson ones from Amazon and some Vitamin E oil from Holland and Barratt for vulva.
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Well after 33 months on Vgifem its not enough 2x7
So Im doing a weeks reloading
I was so dry outside OK inside oddly enough?
Bits started shrinking again sore stingy achey under bottom cheeks and inner thigh area
So see how I go with a bit of a top up bit neervy about it you know the unkown
I know I shouldnt be when I started I did 3 weeks every night and then every other night for 2 weeks before 2x7
But symptoms were starting to come back and I dont want to go thrugh that hell again
I did try Ovestin cream on the outer bits I burnt to hell for 3 days till it wore out of the skin xxxxxxxxx
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Hi all,
I had a break from vagifem for quite a while, then when I went back on it I could't seem to tolerate it. It seemed to irritate my bladder really bad, made my heart race and made me feel nauseous. I also felt really jittery. I did have a bad bout of thrush though at the same time. I had only just started taking it when I got wrongly diagnosed with a uti so took a 3 day course of antibiotics, then a couple of days later a capsule for thrush. Funnily enough I didn't notice the symptoms during this time except for a racing heart. I missed a couple of days out while my body recovered, then when I used it again I felt terrible, I felt really tender and sensitive inside and my bladder area seemed irritated and sore, my heart was racing and I felt nauseous. I have now missed a day out of using vagifem. Has anybody experienced this from Vagifem? I told the doctor in the walk in centre who told me to carry on using it as I have used it in the past without any problems, but I am scared of symptoms also think thrush is back and gonna use cream tonite.
Worried Di :'(
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Hi Bracken,
If you happen to notice this post could you please let me know what symptoms you experienced when you found that vagifem irritated you?
Thankyou
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I found vagifem gave me period type pain and headaches along with a rather unpleasant smell. Once I stopped using it the side effects went.
SB
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Hi Sweatybet,
Did you go on to use anything else after vagifem? I mean you can't just stop without repercussions can you?
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Di
gave up after a week, did not try it for dryness but for painful intercourse.
SB
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Ive always had the funny chemicaly smell so we dont practise you know what anymore
I put on weight from 11/12 to 14/15 boobs 34G to 34 FF
I took it for Vaginal Atrophy and Dyspuria
I cant see why you just cant stop it dead its not a drug as such xxxxxxxxx
Have you tried Ovestin or Orthogynest ???????????? they are diff properties xxxxxxx
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Are any of Di's side effects listed in the side effects leaflet I wonder. I'll have a look.
Not noticed chemical smell but have had bladder probs, though I started on the vagifem BECAUSE of the bladder problems.
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me too milliemoo !
I have increasing soreness in urethra as day goes on , not noticed any chemical smell with vagifem
read on a post bout a intimate moisturisor from avon !! have to see how that goes for that lady !
hope you all feel better soon love Lindyloo xx ;) ;)
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Hi, when i first started vagifem i used the larger dose, 25 i think and that seemed to upset me quite a bit, but once i used the lower dose one 10 there was fewer side affects and after a while they dissappeared. but after being told to lower the dose then later to increase the dose, i dont seem to be able to get it right to feel normal. some times i feel, devil if i do and devil if i dont use it, i never feel normal down there. im either sore or glowing, feel rough, feel a bit swollen. it has been suggested i use estring, has anyone tried this.
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Hi, I have been suffering for weeks now with dryness and have been very sore and itchy and end up red roar, I have been using sylk which helps a bit, I have vagifem 25mg so started using it again as I cannot get to see my gp for another two weeks for an appointment because I prefer to see a lady doctor, I had a uti infection at weekend, i think it was because I used the vagifem and was very dry when inserting, I believe this caused it, I left it off for a couple I'd days and thoug I had better use it again so I use ky jelly with it, what I would like to know is can vagifem be used continuously instead of the three months as my doctor told me to do this last year and I was too scared to do it, has anyone else been told this, also I didn't realise you can have a low dose of it.regarding the smell I have noticed this and I am getting paranoid about it as I didn't realise this can happen, god I am coming back as a man!
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so sorry you are going through this. Yes, Vagifem should be used continusly and not stopped. Especially if you have severe dryness or VA.
Hope you get some relief soon. I am dealing with a lot of the same issues myself but i use Vagifem 3 x a week and it has seem to help.
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Vagifem can be used for life as long as you have anual checks
I dont know where some of these GPs get these ideas maybethey dont read medical journals anymore who knows
Go in to the Vagifems site and print out and take with you
Mind even then some GPs and not only the older ones wont be swayed
No point going on it for 14 days then 2x7 for 3 months feel millions better come of it with in a week or so symp back
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Thanks for the advice it's good to know that I will be able to stay on vagifem but I will ask to go on the 10mg instead of the 25g after the two weeks because reading all the posts it seems like most of you are using 10mg which seems safer to me, also it's nice to read that there are a lot of you going through the same thing and not the only one as its not something you can discuss with friends we know is it :thankyou:
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if you had come on this site a year ago everyone was on 25m cos thats what the dose was
Vagifem manafacturers lowered the dose to 10m from 25
Reason they said health yet they are still selling 25m in Ozz and NZ or ARE THEY dumping them here?
Odd 25mg 15 in pk was 9.00pounds now 10mg 25 inpk is 16pounds so paying almost double for 125m less in pk
Now maybe its just me but can you see a big hike in price here ladies doesnt take an Einstein to work it out
If it was for health then it should have been about 6 pounds a pak of 10m
All of us on Vagifme for how many years in my case its been 3 years on Valenties day have taken 25x2 a week
if the 10m works for you wonderful but a lot of us adjust our useage to fdind the amount that makes us feel good
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They are not being dumped Suzi but the old stocks are maybe lasting longer where you are. The last supplies were supposedly issued on 31st December 2012. I have been reading the questions and answers on the Norvodisk site where they do set out the reasons and also the pricing structure. It works out 1p less per tablet under the new set up. http://www.novonordisk.co.uk/documents/article_page/document/hrt_pro_common_questions.asp I'm not sure whether the link will be allowed to remain as it does have a marketing element so best save it if you want to have a proper read!
Taz x
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Taz I respect you and now to your vast knowledge BUT
How can going from 9.00 pak of 15x25 = 375m
Now its costing 16.00pounds not too sure how any in pk but its only 10m I know its 125m less than it was
That might be a peeny less or more nut also 125m less as well call me an old cynic but I will always think the same way
ITS money we are a cash cow we are the last generation of big falmilies load of us born pre pill days
Baby boomers and post baby boomers the money they are now making must be huge maybe I might buy some shares!
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Not sure about the vast knowledge bit!! ;D
I don't quite understand what you are saying? Don't quite get the figures :-\ This is the info in the link
"What is the cost of Vagifem® 10μg?
Vagifem® 10μg costs £16.72 for a pack of 24 tablets with applicators.
How does the cost of Vagifem® 10μg compare to Vagifem® 25μg?
Vagifem® 10μg pack of 24 tablets with applicators: £16.72 or 69p per tablet.
Vagifem® 25μg pack of 15 tablets with applicators: £10.56 or 70p per tablet.
Are the pack sizes the same?
No. Vagifem® 10μg contains 24 tablets with applicators and Vagifem® 25μg contains 15 tablets with applicators."
Taz x
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Can you buy vagifem or is it only available on prescription ?
Lindy x
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It is available on prescription lindy.
Taz x
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Thanks Taz i want to try it as I have a prolapse but feel too embarressed to ask for it xx
Lindy xx
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How does the cost of Vagifem® 10μg compare to Vagifem® 25μg?
Vagifem® 10μg pack of 24 tablets with applicators: £16.72 or 69p per tablet.
Vagifem® 25μg pack of 15 tablets with applicators: £10.56 or 70p per tablet.
I think I can see where you are coming from Suzi - 70p for 25mcg and 69p for 10mcg that's 1p less for a difference of 15mcg per tablet! Certainly I think that cost must have been a factor in the decision to withdraw the 25mcg tablets.
Katy x
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Hello ladies
havent posted for a while and as always whenever I have problem, its comforting to know that someone else has posted about it.
I have vaginal atrophy and have been using vagifem 25 for some time. Like some of the other posties, I have noticed an unpleasant vaginal smell that I wasn't too happy about (neither was the other half...lts just say its put him off certain pleasurale acts : (). I did mention it to my GP but she wasn't exactly helpful and said it could be down to certain foods!. I have been using it for a few years now and never had this problem before. The other problem is my VA is getting worse despite the vagifem and we often have to stop 2 or 3 times during sex to relube!!!!. It really takes the fun out of it.
I wondered if anyone else had ever had this problem and if they moved onto something else instead. I know the vagifem is meant to be the gold standard, but I'm struggling here. Yes I'm also on HRT and using a decent lube and not KY jelly. Sometimes it feels as though my vagina is so dry that that it just absorbs the lube the moment we start having sex.
Sorry to be so graphic but running out of ideas :-\
Anne
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I just wanted to say sorry you are so uncomfortable still despite both HRT and Vagifem. I found that the two together worked for me and I don't know what else to suggest. What dosage HRT are you on?
Your GP should have taken a vaginal swab I reckon to rule out bacterial vaginosis which can give a nasty smell.
Taz x
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Does anyone one here know if vagifem can help with a prolapse ?
Lindy x
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Not sure about the vast knowledge bit!! ;D
I don't quite understand what you are saying? Don't quite get the figures :-\ This is the info in the link
"What is the cost of Vagifem® 10μg?
Vagifem® 10μg costs £16.72 for a pack of 24 tablets with applicators.
How does the cost of Vagifem® 10μg compare to Vagifem® 25μg?
Vagifem® 10μg pack of 24 tablets with applicators: £16.72 or 69p per tablet.
Vagifem® 25μg pack of 15 tablets with applicators: £10.56 or 70p per tablet.
Are the pack sizes the same?
No. Vagifem® 10μg contains 24 tablets with applicators and Vagifem® 25μg contains 15 tablets with applicators."
Taz x
NO thats not what I meant its the dosage 240m against 375m. not taking about amount of pills but the amount of Vagifem in the pill So the 1p only works for the aplicator not the dosage so yes its 1 p less per aplicator of 24x10m but for that 1 p less you get 15m per applicator or dosage less =125m less than you did before so if a lady needs to take 50m a week the cost will be almost double have I explained it right? xxxxxxx
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I think I understand :D
This is a very wordy article but details the reasons for the change to 10mcg. It does seem to say that the absorption with the 10mcg is within limits where the women tested on the 25mcg was outside the published safe limits. Well, I think that's what it's saying. That part is under "safety" somewhere.. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3234898/
Taz x
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I believe that it was once the manufacturers changed their minds about not needing a break from Vagifem that the American health authorities questioned the safety of the 25mcg dose. I suppose that it is up to the individual to take responsibility for the possible consequences of "overdosing" much as we take responsibility for the fact that taking full HRT puts us at slightly more risk of stroke and certain cancers. It is very upsetting when women are told that the take-up is negligible and the product is working only to be told that it has been discovered that the take-up is more than thought and a lower dose is necessary which then might not work.
I was on both HRT and Vagifem and that worked for me at the time. Maybe the 10mcg dose will mean that more women will have to use full HRT which will cause it's own risks?
Taz x
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Thank god someone understood what I was saying ahh
So all of a sudden when mass useage and rush of baby boomers and post baby boomers want a need Vagifem
Its been in this 25x2 dose and in use for I think about 9 years NOW they decide it may not be safe
Why arent all of vagifem users then being informed by Norco
Why isnt it in the papers a general warnign that over the last 9 years they may have made a mistke in dosage?
I still thnk its mostly money and also maybe they hid the real findings from us maybe it was dangerous and they knew it
IMagine women now if they get anythng after Vagifem use will sue I would I was told 25x2 was safe BY THEM! 3yrs ago
Now they say sorry 10m is the rght dose mediacaly sumit up here?
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I'm finding that 2x 25mc a week aren't cutting it for me at the mo. I'm "aware" of my vagina most of the time. I did 3 days in a row last week and it seemed better, but as soon as I reverted to normal "the feelings " back. I think when I get my BP tests over with I'll make an appt with my favourite female GP.
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Are you also on full HRT cupcake?
Taz x
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How long you been on Vagifem?
I have been on it 3 years yesterday and it worked well OH had the odd blip here and there but was normally corercted
Id put in an extra one for 2/3 weeks
But in late Octber last year it started to fail I felt all the old symptoms were coming back
So 4th Dec/14th Dec (10 days) I did reload it worked very well but even with that I find my genitalia still feels sore
The clit hood and inner labias burn even after usinbg Vagifem then its OK for 2/3 days then its back again
Its not like before Vagiem the deap throb the ache sore in side more like hot burning sireness on the outside and dry
Just sore thats come back on and off even doing reload it gets depressing and you thnk I dont get this IM not on HRT
Maybe if youve been on it a couple of years maybe like me a relaod they say oyu can do it every year? Good Luck xxx
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Hi, dont know if this helps anyone, i used vagifem and when i first started thought it was great, then when i had to reduce dose, it didnt work so well, then i upped the dose, after this i got it settled for a while, then i never seemed to get it right. i wished i had done what some other ladies had done use a moisturiser inbetween doses. but i increased the dose on the advice of gynacologist to every day, boy that upset me in my opinion. but that is my personal opinion not a gynacologists. I have now moved onto the estring. this is worth trying ladies, it is clean and easy to insert. yes it is large, but then you dont want to loose it... lol.. initially it is uncomfy, but i found the way to deal with this, was pop it in till you have had enough and pop it out again, you are in control. you will find you will be able to leave it in longer as you get used to it and i dont have any skin interaction where a tablet is sitting inside.. you wash it off in cold water and put it away. great... i like the estring x
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Glad you found something that you like its not for me though i couldnt even use tampons they fell out hehehe
I think Vagifem can be hit and miss for myself for 2 and a half years except for the odd couple of days here and there 95% premeno days I also think my back plays a large part it tightens everything up around my entire abdo
im moist inside all the time even 50/50 moist outside just on the days Im dry outside it aches burns and nibbly feeling?
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Hi, Just an update for anyone considering using the estring... I originally felt it there most of the time, and removed it when i decided i had just had enough of the annoyance. .. But as i continued to use it, things improved, and now forget its there. i have not had any of the burning or not right feelings i had while on vagifem.I intially was quite shocked by its size, but now quite glad as it makes it easier to remove. which is for me every night and if i go to loo. im frigtened of loosing it down the loo... Not sure how this ring works, but i find i can pop it in and out whenever, and i have been fine.. the best so far.. I also have days when i dont use it, and days when i may use it for an hour in the morning and then remove it coz im going out and then pop it back in in the evening when im relaxing. dont know if popping in and out makes any difference to how much it releases, but as your supposed to leave it there all the time, i cant see that it does... Maybe you know more than me.. but give it a go ladies, it seems odd at first but gets better, and is really worth getting over the first uncomfy feelings... xxxx
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Hi everybody,
I just wondered if anybody got any suggestions as to what I can try next for this awful VA. A couple of months ago I tried vagifem but had to stop taking it after a week or so as the side effects were too bad. I got terrible abdominal pain, a racing heart rate which was unbearable, and it irritated my bladder. The doctor told me to stop it, and not to use anything else but to let my insides settle down.
I have been in so much pain since and barely able to walk. I was then given steroid cream which did't agree with me, and emulsifying ointment for the outside bits?
After 2 painful months I went back to doctor as nothing was helping, and got Gynest cream, however this too made me swell up inside, gave me bad abdominal pain, and a racing heart rate again, so had to stop using after 3 days.
I am now at the end of my tether and don't know what else i can do, has anybody had any similar experiences which they were able to get resolved?
Thanks for being there x x
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Hello Di. It sounds as if you are having a really tough time. When you say that the pain is so bad that you can hardly walk - where is the pain exactly?
Taz x
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Thanks for the estring info hellen. It is good to hear from someone actually using this. I thought that it was inserted by your GP and left there for 3 months or so when it would be changed. When you say about the size do you mean that it is large or small? Does it have a string attached to it to pull it out? This may be another alternative for those of us that need more than the 2 x 10 vagifem per week. Pleased that it is working for you.
Di - poor you as this sounds awful when you have tried all the normal routes. Maybe having an appointment with a good gynea to discuss where you can go next would be an idea. Your GP should refer you on if it is now beyond his/her knowledge.
Don't give up as there must be something that can help. Others may come along with some good suggestions for you.
Hannah
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Hi Taz,
The pain is more a really uncomfortable soreness on the inside, which can sometimes rub together when walking, especially if it is inflamed with lack of estrogen. It doesn't help suddenly stopping topical estrogen as the symptoms come back worse, so it never seems to get better because i can't stay on anything long enough to heal it.
Di x
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Sounds very nasty Di. Have you been referred to a gynae or have you been properly checked out for your symptoms in order to rule out something else such as vulvodynia?
Taz x
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Hi Taz,
Yes been checked about 6 times over last couple of months, the last time being Feb. Also had smear done in hospital end of Jan, where they said everything was normal down there (apart from VA)
Di x
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loo... Not sure how this ring works, but i find i can pop it in and out whenever, and i have been fine.. the best so far.. I also have days when i dont use it, and days when i may use it for an hour in the morning and then remove it coz im going out and then pop it back in in the evening when im relaxing. dont know if popping in and out makes any difference to how much it releases, but as your supposed to leave it there all the time, i cant see that it does...
Hi there hellen
Just to say the Estring is designed to give a constant release of oestrogen to keep your tissues plumped up so the more you leave it out the less oestrogen your tissues will be getting.
The instructions on the web say you can take it out eg before intercourse etc but if you are leaving it out for a whole day you are interrupting the flow of oestrogen. Also taking it in and out more frequently could make some women more liable to infection. However you say you are OK on it so that's the main thing if it is working OK for you and you like it! I do find it odd that they don't do them in different sizes like they do for the contraceptive cap - which came in lots of sizes to fit any of us! I must say it does sound tempting but don't like the idea of being able to feel it all the time. Mind you it would probably fall out in my case - it did say this can happen!!
Hurdity x
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I thought that it was inserted by your GP and left there for 3 months or so when it would be changed. When you say about the size do you mean that it is large or small? Does it have a string attached to it to pull it out?
Hi Hannah - I didn't see your post until later! (Sorry hellen to jump in here - hope that's OK?). Although I haven't seen the Estring it really does sound like the contraceptive cap (diaphragm) which I used for many years - which you put in yourself. The instructions do not say there are strings and tell you to put it in/take it out yourself once you have been shown by the doc - so sounds nothing like a Mirena which does have strings and does have to be put in by a doc as I understand (not tried either myself though).
Yes I agree Hannah - it could well be the answer for higher dose Vagifem users provided it can fit!
Here is the SPC ( Summary of Product Characteristics). Ignore all the stuff about the dangers of HRT which is on everything.
http://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/1512/SPC
Made by Pfizer not Novo Nordisk
Hurdity x
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Hi Hurdity
Thanks for this link - just had a good read . I don't think I would like feeling it in situ and as you say how can one size fit all. It does say that if you become constipated then it would be best to remove it first.
Good to hear it has worked for hellen though.
Hannah
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Hi, Im using the 2mg ring, and i think its quite large. Now depending how big some of us are up there could be tight or could be snug... I think we are designed to stretch up there, but as we are dry we notice the stretching, Im still on the first ring, so i have another month to go before i get another one.. its is supposed to release 7.5 something a day which is less that the 10 vagifem if your using it every day. strangly enough it actually in my opinion holds you apart a bit, so your not chaffing up there, but could be just me... I spoke to the doctor and told him initially it was driving me nuts, and that i went as long as i could and took it out, he said yes that fine. he said do whatever your happy with... and taking it out and putting it back i would think is no more a risk of infection that other things that may be used up there, not being to desciptive lol.. i felt the vagifem was not dissolving properly or how it adheres to my inside i was alergic to.. As for the racing heart i have had this but found i didnt have it on the estring, and i found i didnt notice it if i dont insert anything near bedtime, hence i like the daytime insertions, keep myself busy and it wears off, and eventually just dissappears as my body has ajusted..I had the most horrendous sore stomach, and stopped using vagifem for that reason, but i was using it every day. from when i first started to use the ring to now im a lot plumper up there. i have had one or two iffy days when i thought am i getting an imbalance, then i used a bit of yes lubricant(water based one) just to balance me up, before it get out of hand. worked great... the ring does not have a cord on it and i dont push it far up, i just insert it and let it go where it wants. dont be put off by its size im a very petite person, and petite up there, so if i can do it anyone can... the ring goes sideways that why it fits all, does not sit on the cervix, and release over an area, where the vagifem releases in one spot... Phew!!! hope i covered it and helped you.
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You have explained it all really well hellen so thanks for that. You have found a way of using them that suits you and that is all that matters. You made me smile with your 'phew' comment. Thanks for sharing the info.
Hannah
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thanks hannah1, i didnt want to put anyone off coz its worth a try, im only tiny person, i have owned a dog taller than me lol.. so the size of it dont matter really, and you need it fairly large as it sits sideways for you to hook your finger on and pull it out. really its like anything else you change, your body notices, dont mean its bad, just mean your aware thats all. Your body adjusts. .i was horrified i might loose it. i went to the doc for a swob test, and he never took it out while he did the proceedure. i could not feel a thing different in the proceedure. now i thought that was odd. As its not tiny size.. and would be in the way or certainly tight. the test was negative for anything as usual. which is good, but odd if your think there is something there, and i had only been using the ring a couple of days... i actually think its size after you get used to it is its bonus it releases over a bigger area, but i know nothing as they say lol............ the only thing it would be nice if it came with its own little box to be put away in..
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Hellen - does that mean it isn't a ring then - when you said it sits sideways? The (contraceptive) cap was a ring which you bent into a sort of long thing to push up there but it sprang back into a ring shape over the cervix when in place. Sounds from what you are saying that Estring is more oval or elliptical? I used to hook finger on to pull it out just as you describe. I could definitely cope with something like that having done so for years ( long time ago now though!). Oh - I presume they don't come in a box as they are not really meant to be taken out! The cap always came in its little container!!
Thanks for the info - very helpful.
Hurdity x
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The Estring is a ring Hurdity which is why it is possible to have an internal examination with it in. There is a hole in the middle so that menstrual blood can escape. Have pm'd you a link.
Taz x
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Hi, It is a soft bendy ring, you slighty squeeze it together and pop it in. i dont push it further up, just in and it sorts itself out.. Yes it sits sideways like a loop, so the top of the loop is nearer the cervix the bottom of the loop towards the outside and that is what you hook your finger in to take it out... I was advised by doc its fine to take it out and in, if that suits me, and that it still does its job. also for me it gave me confidence that if i had any bad feelings i could whip it out.. so for me.. its doing its job i guess. Obviously you wash it after every use, in cold water, as its the warmth of your body that triggers it to release but im guessing. I leave it in the air to dry as wrapping it up in bags might cause bacteria.. i have read that you could loose it down loo if you were straining, so safe bet take it out, as who would want to use it after its been down there lol.. the only thing i would mention, when i first used it i found it quite uncomfy, but persisted as i think you gotta give things a fair go, and where was i going to go next, only backwards to other things i had tried before... and now i have times i know its there and times i have to think did i put it in or not lol...
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Thanks for info hellen and Taz
Hurdity x
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I was coping very well indeed thanks to Vagifem 25 x twice weekly.
Then they changed it to 10mcg x twice weekly.
Now, I am not coping at all. :'(
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hey, cheer up, talk to your doc about increasing from twice to more times a week, see what suits you. we have all been there. it seems its all trial and error and in the end its what keeps you feeling good, it isnt the same for everyone.. x
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Scriv do an extra one 3 x 7 its still 20m less than before see how you go xxxxx
Hellen
Bloody hell I couldnt be bothered with all that palarva well done you xxx
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suzi q. its a case of having to. lol.. I have just collected second estring, on the 24th i will have completed my first three months lol.. But is av ever without maintainence lol.. i have had my ups and downs with it all the same. But its more consistant than vagifem. I make myself smile sometimes though, i think senile demenia is kicking in, i went to take it out the other night, and its wasent there. lol..i had already taken it out, but for min confusion set in ha ha ha
. All the best to everyone xx
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I just posted somewhere else about this.
I've been diagnosed with atrophy (though we are also checking out other things) and was in a fair bit of pain. Have been on Vagifem for about 5 weeks and am seeing a slow improvement but it still comes back now and then. I've found that a 10- 15 minute soak of my bits in warm water and coconut oil when it flares up takes away the pain completely. A morning dunk sets me up for the whole day!
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hi notpastit, from one who is lol.. if you do find out why the improvement is not constant let me know. as although i now use the estring, i do find it almost if i have a cycle of improvement to discomfort, not sure why. i have discussed it with the doc who doesnt have any idea either.. My daughter who recently had a baby, was advised for soreness after birth 4 drops each of tea tree and lavender in her bath. dont know if it would improve atrophy, but thought i would mention it, for anybody that might find it useful.
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Im still on Vagifem
I find every 2/3 weeks I will have 3/4 days where it feels like its not working then its ok again
I went in to a mineral spa in New Zealand last Thursday thought id dry up I didnt spa was lovely
Hello not been on for a wee while family stuff take care Suzanne x
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I am only now suffering from vaginal dryness, seven years after taking oral HRT. It even hurts to sit on any hard surface! Tried oestrogen cream but it made my heart race and couldn't sleep. Using KY Gel at moment. Keep waking up sweating and 'feel' something is missing in my body. Have absolutely no sexual desire and feel really yuck most of the time. Still taking Kilogest which was wonderful before but Doc said that maybe my body is used to it and it's not working the same as before. Don't know what to do. Feel at my wits end.
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if youve stopped taking HRT pills (i never took them)
Cant you give Vagifem a try?
\Few ladies very few find they cant use it the VAST majority can easily
The first day I put it in the feeling was as if my fanny was screaming HORMONESSSSSSSSs
Yes more more more with in 5 days of everyday (14 day start regime) the soreness went
You have nothing to loose and everything to gain
Normal sides are bit of a headache slight period type pains boobies sore I got nothing
OH hair is thinner defo but its a small price to pay for 18bloody miserable months
Feb indiscribable pain gone with in 2 weeks by August sex in London Paris Venice and Rome xxx
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hi suzi, what dose have you settled on for the vagifem now, I have been reading back the articles on how they consider the higher does not safe, and was just wondering what does everyone is using a week of this now.
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if hyud been put on Vagifem 1 year or so ago and for at least the prev 10 before that 25mx2x7
Then they changed it to 10m x2x7 over half the dose weekly for many its not worked
they say it was reduced because of medical reasons sorry i dont buy that
if it is then vagifem had better wait for millions of women world wide to sue them if they get ill
naaa it was money the new pk of 175m less dose costs virtually the same price!!!!!
we are cash cows baby boomers post war and up to mid 1960s millions of us they are makng????
in ozz we are strll getting 25m i suppose they are dumping stock here i have 7 pkts in stock
many ladies are taking 3/4 a week thats still less than the 2x25=50 a week
a few seem ok on 2x10 but most of them seem to be on hrt as well not all but most im not!
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Hi, thank you for your reply I was a bit concerned I should be dropping it to three times a week, but its not the best, I would be much happier on every other day, but don't want to be doing the wrong thing .
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Its your body your life if you feel ok GPs is giving you the scripts
When you see him just check HE KNOWS and if he yels remind him 12mnths ago for over 10 years it was 25m hehehe
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hello i am a newbie to the forum! after over 2 years of no periods i have started bleeding and have tenderness in breasts is this normal? i am making appointment to see doc but i am imagining the worst! has anyone else had this i am 54
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Probably nothing but always GP ASAP youve done the right things
HUGE HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSS xxxxxx
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Hi
I have suffered with recurrent cystitis and vaginal atrophy since going through the menopause and although vagifem helps a lot, I don't find the 10mg is as effective. My GP prescribed Epaderm OINTMENT (not the cream) as well as the vagifem and I slap that on my bits most days. I also use it to wash with in the shower as most other gels & soaps make my symptoms worse. Combined with the vagifem I find It keeps everything more comfortable. Not sure if anyone else has noticed a deterioration in their eyesight as well but since taking evening primrose oil on a daily basis I have definitely noticed an improvement in my ability to read things without my specs
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Ge your eyes checked it may probaly be coincidence
Can you use 3x10? Tell the Doctor 2x10 isnt enough?
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hi everyone
I have been on vagifem for almost 2 years and though most of the time I am fine - symptoms seem to be increasing and when they do the pain is worse. My husband cant 'perform' so we make do but I am struggling to even manage this and it is now affecting my marriage. Am sick of going to my Gp with allsorts and admit to being a hypochondriac! We are supposed to be going away next weekend but don't know if I will be able to 'shop' without pains in the nether regions and also terrible lower abdomen pain. Does this pain ever stop? It is really starting to get me down and making my mind wander :'( to all sorts of terrible conclusions which - along with night sweats is affecting my sleep - getting by on 4 to 5 hors a night then wide awake only to feel tired at 6 am when I have to get ready to got to work. Totally fed up :'( :'( of feeling uncomfortable and tired out
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Hi saladgirl - so sorry to hear that you are having a difficult time at the moment. As we go further into meno it is usual to need more oestrogen as our own levels fall. Are you on the new low dose of Vagifem?
I wondered if you have had the stomach pain checked out. VA does not usually give lower abdominal pain so it does need to be investigated.
I'm not sure how old you are or how far into meno but I needed vagifem plus full HRT to help with the VA. I started off with just vagifem and then as meno symptoms increased began full HRT and stopped the vagifem and then, after a couple of years, needed to restart the vagifem as well as HRT to achieve the same results. I am now off HRT but using vagifem although the dosage is not high enough really.
Taz x
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Taz, are you now on the 2x10 dose of vagifem, and that's what isn't high enough? Am struggling with this myself and girding myself to go and see GP next week. I am fine during a period or if I have any bleeding in between (seem to have lots of mini periods with an hour or so's cramping and then spotting). No other symptoms so don't think full HRT an option just now. Hoping, I think, to get permission to use extra vagifem at bad times or maybe try the ring which is a higher dose.
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Yes I am on the 2x10 dosage now but even the higher dose wasn't enough on it's own as I went further into meno. I am going to talk to my doc about upping my dose - although I would prefer to re-start HRT sometime soon!!
Taz x
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Is the estring ring really a higher dose than vagifem 10mg?
Andius
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This gives info re strength etc. http://www.medicines.org.uk/EMC/medicine/1512/SPC/Estring/ you need to scroll down to Pharmacodynamic Properties.
Taz x :)
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Thanks, TAZ! ;)
I have tried to use it in the past and I thought the dose was probably equivalent to Vagifem although could never see it printed anywhere, just the the effects were the same. This doesn't really compare them, although I guess I could look up the pharmacodynamics for Vagifem and compare myself.
10pg/ml in bloodstream continuously for 90 days does seem like it would probably be more than Vagifem. When I have used estring in the past, I still had burning after a couple of weeks. I also took the ring out for "various activities" as it was bothersome at times. It was always covered with a thick white substance like jelly. I asked pharmacist and they said it was probably the drug that comes out of the ring as it has barium in it which is white. I didn't think they lasted 90 days for me. I did like that it didn't have to "dissolve" to be effective like the vagifem has to do. If you are really dry, I found the dissolving aspect was an issue for me.
Andius
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Hi andius
The Estring delivers approx the same dose of Estradiol as 25mcg dose of Vagifem.
If you look at the figures - the Estring delivers 7.5 mcg per 24 hours = 52.5 mcg per week. The twice weekly dose of Vagifem 25 would deliver 50 mcg per week. Vagifem 10 mcg delivers 20 mcg per week max, when used twice a week.
Those figures are assuming that the amount of estradiol in the vagifem and released into the vagina and the amount similarly released from the Estring, are comparable ie they both do what they are designed to do. There will be differences between women and probably also in the way that each product works in each woman.
Nevertheless - if you want more estradiol in your vag area - then the Estring will give it to you, unless you at least double up on the Vagifem.
I wonder how long it will be before they reduce the dosage in this product (sorry if that makes me sound cynical!)??
Hurdity x
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Maybe the Estring is what all these women who used to take 25mg and are now taking 10mg should look into trying, if the 10 doesn't give enough relief. It really is no bother as you don't have to remember anything except to change it every 3 months. You can't feel it inside after about 1 day. It takes a little maneuvering to get in and out though. It may be less expensive also, than a double dose of 10 vagifem.
If I can get my irritation to go away, I might ask my doc to consider letting me try it again. I didn't think it lasted 90 days for me, but I've read on other forums that some docs will give RX to change sooner than 90 days. It has been awhile since I tried it. It was the first thing I tried and I was much worse then.... but the presence of the ring may have made things worse on already inflamed tissue. I'm due to see the doc in March and will discuss this then. I think you mentioned this to me before regarding the ingredient sensitivity (i.e. fillers) and you said that it didn't have any besides the drug itself. The estrogen creams I tried both have alcohol and preservatives in them.
Gosh, I hope they don't decrease the dose....
Thanks,
Andius
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The other thing about the ring which has interested me is that I am finding things very up and down with a twice-weekly dose -- pain and soreness improve (often two days after using the vagifem) but then get worse again. It's probably a combination of not enough hormone and it running out of steam. Stability would be lovely!
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Hear hear!!
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Yep it would Im still on 25m here in Ozz sun@Thur but sometimes for 2/3 weeks if iffy
I burn and am red then it goes and Im fine again for a moth maybe 2 then iffy again
Wish there was something u could take and that was it end of AV and all symptoms
Had this now Since Feb 2008 I cant remember what it was like not to have an iffy Fanny?
Sad hey xxxxxxxxxxx
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I tried the the estring, and initially it seemed great. I was quite surprised by its size and the robust quality of it. a much bigger thing than I thought it would be, and it felt uncomfortable to start with, I felt like I had to sit down gently. but eventually got used to it, had a really nice couple of months where I though yeah I have cracked it, then had very bad lower stomach pain, and went back to the vagifem.. but I thought I was the only one who couldn settle, but its nice to hear that others, get the unsettled burning. After my last episode of lower stomach pain, which was the worst I have ever felt, I wondered if it was withdrawl from vagifem , I had gone cold turkey for a fortnight lol. the doc now tells me to take it every day for three months.. before I went back onto vagifem the doc gave me a couple of days of gynest cream, now either I have changed or this cream has, years ago I remember using it and it was a really fluid cream, and came back down as soon as you moved. this gynest cream I recently used was more like a paste, and there was no sign of it coming down, and it seemed more soothing than the vagifem. as its a cream. but then all of a sudden a burning started, so I went back to vagifem, every day for three months the doc directions. In between my suffering, I was given but never tried a aesthetic cream for up there, now has anyone ever used that. I didn't I thought no I cant take messing around just back onto the vagifem for me.
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Had the estring since just before Christmas and it's definitely better than anything else I've tried. Don't notice it's there at all. Things have settled much better and though I do get the odd bad day, am now experimenting with a little exterior smear of Ovestin a couple of times a week just to reach the exterior bits/urethral opening. I don't know why more people don't give it a go.
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Hi I had a total hysterectomy six weeks ago, I had not been through the menopause previous to that.
I have been reading about vaginal dryness on here and was wondering once you have had the menopause is this condition permanent or can the symptons stop. I know they go away temporarily with treatment but over time can the condition rectify itself. :)
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Hi happydays - sadly the condition wont rectify itself which is a shame. The dryness is due to lack of oestrogen which, of course, the body doesn't start producing again in high enough amounts to counteract the dryness. The curious thing is that not all women suffer from it so you may not develop it yourself.
Taz x
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Thank you :)
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Hi Ladies, My first post. Been reading this since Nov 2012 when I received my first Vagifem 10. Started this dreadful condition about May 2012. Like most of you, wondered what on earth was wrong with me. A couple of UTIs, about 5 months of 2ing and frowing to GP, proddings and pokings, finally saw a gynae and got Vagifem 10. She was very nice. However, said "some ladies like to use this 3 months on, 3 months off" You have to be joking! 3 MONTHS OFF!
Took about 6 weeks to work, then wonderful. Absolutely normal. Couldn't believe my luck. Had a blip end of Jan 2013. Got nervous about visit to GP at end of lst 3 months. Nerves definitely play a big part. Was worried GP wouldn't continue to prescribe. He wanted me to take a break to see what would happen but gave me some more to use when I needed. Quite reasonable, I thought. I lasted 3 weeks. Lovely all last year, except for a slight blip end of August, again before visit to GP. Then about 4 weeks ago it started to fail. I thought it was because I was anxous, again. Going to a 25 anniversary party. I'm a miserable old bag, parties aren't my thing. It was my dead cousin's daughter whom I haven't seen for a long time, and I also worried about what to buy. Thought the blip would ease off after the party, but not so. Saw GP to see if I could do restart. He's really quite nice, and said ok. I mentioned some ladies in Aus are still having the Vaginfem 25 and he said he could still prescribe it, but it wasn't licenced, whatever that means. Last night of every day yesterday. Things have improved, but still not perfect like before. Very nervous about missing it tonight. Think I might need the 25 now, although maybe it would be better to use 5x 10 a week for more even dose if GP will allow.
My question: are any ladies here in UK using the 25 and how many tabs a week.
I'm not happy about using this at all, didn't use the pill or HRT, but needs must.
I was so pleased to come accross this fab site with all you lovely ladies. Like most of you, no-one would wish this on anyone, but its so good to find that others are having the same thoughts and feelings, and you're not a complete wimp or going nuts. I have particularly enjoyed posts by Taz and SusieQ. You made me laugh, which is always good.
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Hi
:welcomemm:
I don't really suffer from this but I wanted to say welcome and suggest you introduce yourself in the new members section. Your post which others will want to answer may get lost in this one.
Honeyb
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Hi HoneyB, Thanks. I can't see how to get to the new members bit. Not very good at negotiating sites.
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If you click on the forum box left of screen that will take you to a page that shows all the different categories of topics. If you scroll down the page you will see a section called new members. At the top of that section there will be a box that says....start new topic. Click on that and off you go.
Hope that helps if not ask again. You will soon be zooming around.
Honeyb
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Hi. nervousnel, not sure I can give you any words of comfort. but I recently had a up and downer with the vagifem. things didn't settle, but was told by the doc, I should use the 10 every day for three months. I haven't, as it seemed to settle quite quickly. but yet again after a settled period. things are not happy again. round in circles I go lol. xx
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Hi Hellen, Thanks for your message.Its good to know that some have had bad blips and then ok again for a while. There's hope yet. I didn't use one last night, used replens this morning. Thinking about trying 5 a week as thats equal to 2 x 25. Although aware of myself most of today, its not been too bad. I was a lot worse whilst waiting for proper diagnosis. I've got about 20 tabs left, so if I keep on with 5 a week that'll last about 4 weeks. I've not had the bad bladder sensations since before vagifem, and keep worrying that will come back. Drinking ocean spray classic cranberry juice to try and ward that off. Looking at labels that seems to be the one with the most actual cranberry in. I order my repeat prescriptions on line so hoping the GP won't want to see me to query my usage. When I asked if I could to the reload again I also asked if I could use it when I wanted so hope it will be ok with him. However, as with most others I'm sure, I only want to use the minimum required for comfort.
Bought another pair of tracky bottoms today. I hate the look of them but they're so comfortable - loose and soft. Thats all I care about at the moment.
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Hi again Hellen, A bit obsessed with myself at the moment. I should have said yesterday, sorry you're not doing to well at the moment, and hope you get some improvement soon. It really impacts on quality of life this thing.
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Hi nervousnel. I order mine on line to, they never question my usage. depends who you see when you get in to see a gp, but most don't have any problems giving you what you ask for. im waiting for a hospital appointment at the moment, only to find they are so busy I cant get one lol.. they will call me when they have one lol.. probably by the time I get an appointment I have sorted it out or given up. lol. there are two things to think about, you can have a very low level thrush, that can be a nuisance, not quite there not quite gone either. i think it mentions thrush on the vagifem leaflet. also i find washing underwear in washing powder, doesn't seem to help me at all. i have to use a very mild soap.
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Hi Hellen, Thanks. I'll try washing my undies by hand. Anything to help. I did have a swab for thrush in the beginning (Aug.2012) but I guess that doesn't mean I don't have it now, but don't think so. Feeling almost normal today thank goodness. I also got some omega 7 tablets. Tried them last year, for about 2 months, but that was a bit daft as I was perfect at the time so had no idea whether they helped. However, I did notice that the skin on my legs was much less dry and flakey so might be worth taking them just for that. Quite dear though.
Hope you get your appointment soon. When I was referred to a gynae appointment 2012 had to wait about 4 weeks, then got a letter it was postponed for about 3 weeks., very frustrating when you're in considerable discomfort. lolx
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Hi again Hellen, Let us know how you get on with the hospital. lolx
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Hi nervousnel I have very dry skin as well, not tried omega 7. is it worth having a go with it. going back to the thrush, I was advised to treat for thrush once a month by one gyne, I never did.. no hospital appointment as yet. lol..
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Hi Hellen, I'm trying Omega 7 again anyway. started a couple of days ago. I'm also on statins and bought some Bioglan co-enzyme Q10. Its supposed to give a bit more energy that statins might reduce. Need some more get up and go. Thought I had cracked it yesterday, but this morning not so good - used vagifem last night too. At least thats helping quite a lot, would hate to go back to state before Vagifem. Used Replens this morning. Have you tried that? I do find that it helps me. Some on here find it helps, others think its nasty, yukky stuff. Also I smear on a little sensilube after washing. At least its a nice day - a little sunshine certainly lifts the mood. xx
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hi, if you wanna make it a bit more private I have sent you a message in my messages. its a blue square, under your profile .. lol dunnow if you found it.. no not tried either of those. and tend to increase the vagifem if I feel not right but don't know if I should but I do.
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My GYN consultant suggested almond oil, applied after a shower every day (or as needed), works a treat! Great on dry skin too. HRT has improved the problem too.
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My VA didn't really improve properly with anything until I started using the estring -- which for some reason doesn't seem to be a popular option. But if you're up and down with symptoms and vagifem isn't working properly I really would suggest you try it. Things got much better on the first 3 month ring and are even better now 4 months in, after more than a year when I couldn't sit, swim or have a bath.
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Hi, ancient runner, can you really have a bath again... I miss having a soak, lol... I have just been to see the gyne at the hospital and she has took me off vagifem, and back on to moisturisers, but it continual maintenance.. but I will see how far I can go before it drives me completely nuts, but its very unpractical... lol.. she mentioned to me there is a new non hormonal treatment out for vaginal dryness, that she thought I should try, just wondered has anyone else been heard of it. I tried to google new treatment and all that came up was.. Ophena, don't know if its the one the gyne was trying to think of.. as im still waiting for the follow up letter..
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Hi nervousnel
I was prone to repeated uti's for a couple of years, there can be a lot of sugar in cranberry juice and any bacteria can feed off the sugar content. Sugar also enables thrush to thrive and multiply, as does foods containing yeast.
Have you tried d manose for maintaining bladder or a cranberry supplement instead of the juice and what i found helpful was a mega probiotic tablet to encourage good bacteria.
Linsey
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Hi hellen
I was just wondering why you have been taken off Vagifem if you have VA - this is generally a treatment for life, and I am surprised that a gynae would do this? I would not want to rely on moisturisers, and especially if you are not on full HRT ( not sure if you are or not?)
Unless there is a medical reason why you personally should not use Vagifem I would go back to GP and insist - they cannot refuse you treatment. As you say twice a week is the maintenance dose.
It is better not to wait until you go "completely nuts" - much better to keep VA at bay by the regular drip feed of low dose vaginal oestrogen.
Hurdity x
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Hi Linsey 44, I seem to be ok now. Hope it lasts. Using about 4 x 10mcg vagifem a week. While the vagifem is sorting the VA I don't get the uti's. The blip I had lasted about 6 weeks and I got very upset thinking the vagifem wasn't going to work any more. I used it every day for almost 3 weeks and its gradually improved until feeling normal now. Bit concerned about the future. I must have had a further drop in my own oestrogen which means I need 4 tabs a week instead of 2. Where do you go when you get to needing 7 a week and its not enough. At least my GP is ok with my increasing to 4 or 5. Thanks for your suggestions about cranberry juice. I'll bear it in mind if I need it again. x
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What I find now is if I dont have sex for a couple of weeks I go smaller at the opening
I then find it hard to get the Vagifem in or a LOU LOU BUT once they r in IM wet inside but its getting them in
Plus as I hurt my back and weve been celibate for 4 weeks now I find when I do get the thing in
Im also narrower inside as well? Yet still wet go figure anyone else have this problem?
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Yes - I think that's what's meant by 'use it or lose it'.... maybe a vaginal dilator would help?
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Hi, she told me that many women manage my condition just with moisturisers, although I did tell her, that I was told by the previous gyne, who she has replaced that it was a treatment for life.. to which she replied are they all trying to give you cancer. horror comment I think... ... I said you know it was very un hygienic when your out trying to use moisturisers, when not at home, public loos, and to be honest I wouldn even try, I would suffer till I got home. I told her there was no way it would last all day and it doesn't. but im giving it my best shot to prove the point. she gave me sylk which i need to use several times a day so totally unpractical which I mentioned to her. may try the new one I saw in boots chemist. as it said long lasting, sylk seem to be a lot better than it used to be. after three weeks with no vagifem, im having slight discomfort. my pot belly seems to have gone down slightly yippee, and i feel more engergetic. and generally brighter.. . I have not looked at the downunder area to see if its showing signs of shrinkage. but I do feel sore if I do a lot of walking. I do have a box of vagifem, which I would presume, if I reuse I would have to do the 15 days again every day is that right.. ??
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Hellen
I am so sorry to hear about this and absolutely appalled that someone who calls themselves a gynaecologist would say such a thing.
Re the 15 days - depends on how long it is since you stopped it - if just a few days then just up it to 3 x a week or something for a bit maybe, but find someone else to see if you possibly can (different gynae or meno specialist GP).
I still find it outrageous that there is no consistency and such regional variation in what is being said to and prescribed for women. You should not have to feel sore and if the Vagifem was helping and working, of course you shouldn't have to rely on moisturisers!
Can you see seomeone else?
Hurdity x
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Yes - I think that's what's meant by 'use it or lose it'.... maybe a vaginal dilator would help?
Actually Ive been thinking of that myself when we do do it after a while its HURTSSSSSSSS
Then the next time Im fine I find that Im narrowing inside with no use so I get it use it or loose it
Never got it before this is a new thing for me the narrowing inside its always been OUCH to get in but this!!!
PLus as Ive got almos no inner labias now theyve disolved in to the skin really weird looking
I had a look last week for the first time for months one sides not too bad but the others almost vanished
I know they say u can go back down there to almost prepubecent looking well this BUNNY has with spades
It started 2008 slowly diminishing I was pardon me but that big Id be the person who wanted Labioplasty
The hood was what we would call an OUTIE u could see it now thats so small it JUST about covers my bit xxx
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im not practicing this. but thought I would copy and paste it from another site, as I thought it would make a few of you ladies smile..... so here goes .................... (((((((( I have experienced this problem since I entered my 60s, and have experimented with various gels.As I do not suffer discomfort,other than during sexual intercourse, I am o.k.as we - my husband and I, do not indulge too frequently any more.I could go to my local well woman centre to get advice, but I dont feel the need to do that.I am not shy about asking advice, but dont feel the need to..Here I go, repeating myself.....think its my age!P.S.A bit of Flora sometimes does the )))))))))trick!!!!!
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Flora? light or normal! :)
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got to be healthier than butter though lol xx
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUTTERS BEST heheheheheheh
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Here is a good video I found that discusses VA treatment. It is not very long.
http://video.coronapro.co/playvideo.php?c=RYWOkwYH
Please try to watch it as I think it is informative of the options, some of which are new or on the horizon.
The doctor says vagifem doesn't always help the introitus....opening to vagina, which of course many of us here in menopause have experienced. Perhaps trying the estrogen cream to the area will help those of you with this problem who are already on vagifem? If I don't use too much it does seem to help me.
3x weekly vagifem seems not enough for me and any more makes me worse. I wonder if it makes the discharge too acidic or something and burns the outside tissues including urethra?...maybe this is what causes the blips? The inside stays fine though and no utis. ??? Petroleum jelly on the outside could help protect the tissues if no local estrogen cream is used.
Andius
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Some info that is thought provoking
http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2014/08/07/estrogen-creams-premarin-tablets-vagifem-are-absorbed-into-body/
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Interesting information - but in UK conjugated estrogens are not available for vaginal treatments. I didn't go back to the source but the article only mentioned levels after 7 days use. Research shows that when using vaginal oestrogen for the first time (on atrophic vaginal tissues), serum oestrogen levels (ie in the body) initially increase within the furst few days, but once the tissues are plumped up, absorption then decreases. The priming period ( for plumping up) is usually recommended as 14 days, after which absorption into the body is minimal.
Hurdity x
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Unfortunately as many of us can attest, lubricants may help vaginal dryness, but dryness is not the same as vaginal atrophy, which can only be helped by local estrogen. If your VA doesn't hurt you, I think it is probably not VA because VA is PAINFUL!
First use of estrogen on VA tissues made my pain a little worse at first until the tissues improved. The first vagifem I ever used (10mcg) hurt a lot, but it got better soon. Taking vagifem 3 x weekly for at least 7 months (after a year or so of taking it 2x weekly) and before using HRT, my blood level of estradiol was 5 pg/ml which is 18.355 pmol/l !! :o SOOOO, that took care of my fears that I was getting any significant absorption from long-term vagifem!!!....and guess what...no hot flashes during the day, only night sweats, insomnia and vaginal/urethral issues at that low blood level.
Andius
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Vagifem 10mcg every other night keeps my VA comfortable but once or twice a week I need to apply gynest cream to the outside vaginal entrance. I agree the vagifem doesn't seem to reach that far. I find the 2 together gives me a level of comfort I can live with.
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Hi Ladies, Does anyone have a problem obtaining Vagifem? Last few prescriptions I've only been given half a packet - had to wait for the rest. This morning my pharmacy told me they haven't got any. Said they are supplied by the manufacturers on a quota system - l packet a month! Phamacist got me a packet from another branch, thank God. How rediculous is that. Using one every other day a packet lasts 6 weeks. Considering loads of women use this and its for life what are they thinking of. Starting to panic in case I get to a situation of running out sometime.
Ok, had my rant. Wishing everyone a happy and COMFORTABLE Christmas xxx
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Hi, me again, Forgot to say, I'm in Essex, UK. xx
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Hi nervousnel - that is terrible - especially as some women have to increase their dosage to more than twice a week to stay comfortable. I can't quite see why the manufacturers need to ration them?? Sounds bizarre unless there is a blip in production. I live in SW and no problems at all. You probably need to order well in advance? Hope you aren't having to pay for a full prescription when you only get half a packet?
Hurdity x
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I had this with my last prescription.
From what I understood (and I'm afraid it made no sense to me at the time, so I may have things wrong), the small pharmacies are only given a certain amount every week, then they have to fax through (somewhere?) any extra orders.
Put mine in on Friday popped in on Saturday and got it on Monday.
I was surprised and would have thought that with the demographics of my local area, vagifem is probably in high demand, so well supplied.
I think it is a supply/wholesaler bureaucracy problem, rather than manufacturers.
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Hi Hurdity, I have been ordering a bit in advance. Ordered last Sunday evening by email and will use my last tablet next Saturday. I'm using one every other day. I'm 68, 69 in February, so don't pay for medication now. My local chemist is a small branch, so maybe the larger ones are given more. However, I believe in my area there is quite a large porportion of older people so there must be quite a few ladies needing Vagifem around here. I've only needed to use this since 2012 and its in the last 6 months or so this problem seems to have come up. Maybe I was just lucky before.
Thanks for the replies everyone xx
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Hi Hurdity , Yes, I have been ordering a bit early. I'm 68 so don't have to pay for prescriptions now. My local chemist is quite a small branch so maybe the larger ones get more. However, there does seem to be a lot of older people in this area, so there must be quite a few needing Vagifem. I've only needed to use this since 2012 and its in the last 6 months or so this problem seems to have come up. Maybe I was just lucky before.
Thanks for the replies everyone xx
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I think the problem could be because a lot of us are having to double up to keep comfortable and some ladies have to keep re-loading - all because of the very silly decision to reduce the dosage from 25mcg to 10mcg following a very unrepresentative report telling us all that 10mcg will suffice. Not!!!
I haven't had a problem yet, but thank you for warning me. I will re order in plenty of time.
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Hi, I'm having a bit of a blip at the moment. Think its because i'm anxious about a possible confrontation with someone during the new year holiday together with the possible difficulty of the chemist filling the prescription. Definitely find that anxiety affects me. Am using extra tablets to try and fix it .Don't like doing that as it makes me anxious in itself because I'll use up my presciption more quickly. Have also used a dose of replens today. Think that has made me a bit more comfortable. Anybody using more than one every other day all the time? xx
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I am using 2 every 3 days, but sometimes add in an extra one.
My GP doubled the prescription for me, so I now get 2 packs of 24 tabs at each prescription. This is usually every 2-3 months.
Can you ask your GP to double the prescription? Or can you order early? I should think you have a valid reason to order to keep you going over Christmas...
Or failing all that, can you try the bigger pharmacists?
Good luck. x
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Thanks for that info. I had wondered if I might be able to have 2 packets at once. Have to see GP in April for repeat blood pressure tabs so may ask him then. After all, you'd have to use 5 a week to be equivalent of 2 x 25mcg before the 10mcg was introduced and then some were using an extra one sometimes. See how I get on. I don't feel too bad today so hoping I'll settle down again for a while. I had wondered if it would help to use 2 at once when I get a blip.
I really appreciate this site and being able to hear other ladies' experiences.
Happy Christmas x
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I can't see anything wrong with using 2 x 10 mcg at once since the old dose was 1 x 25 mcg - but it might be better to spread out the dose ie one day and then the next?
Hurdity x
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Hi Hurdity, Yes, that's what I've been doing so far. Just thought it might be an option to try if I get desperate. xx
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I use two at once.... twice a week. It works for me. :) It is the nearest I get to the old dose of 25mcg twice a week.
I definitely feel the benefit of the higher 'shot' and have no discomfort from using 2 tablets at once.
I guess it depends on the severity of your condition and how much other oestrogen you have in your body. I have very low levels.
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Weren't the 25 mcg version tabs withdrawn because they were deemed to be too high a dose? My GP refuses to prescribe more than the equivalent of two 10 mcg tabs per week. I can just about get away with one every three days if I submit my repeat prescription early.
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No, I'm sure Hurdity will come along soon with the exact details and wording, but it is my understanding that on the basis of a survey of about 270 women across the USA and by their own admission, very few over the age of 65, researchers found that the 10mcg dose was just as effective as the 25mcg for keeping discomfort at bay.
if you think about it, in those 270 ladies, many could be at the early stages of the menopause, could be on good dose of HRT, could have high levels of oestogen naturally and could be using other methods which help them, so are not as dependent on the vaginal oestrogen as some of us. And these are just a few scenarios for the ladies who participated in this study.
No one said 25mcg was too high a dose, just that a 10mcg was just as efficient. Well it wasn't for me and a lot of ladies, that's for sure. :( In my mind, it's like saying that all people with heart or blood pressure conditions should have the same strength medication which should work for all.
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For about a year when I first started to use Vagifem 2 a week was enough to keep me perfect. Then I guess I must have taken a big drop in my own oestrogen, had a lot of discomfort again, used one a day for nearly 3 weeks then 4 a week, then cut down to one every other day. Had 2 or 3 'blips' since then but thankfully have have come good after using one a day for a while. Hope that will happen this time. Don't want to use more than I need, but have to be comfortable. Am concerned about possible future risk, but got to have quality of life now. As you say, everyone is different and GPs should be willing to prescribe what is needed, as long as they have warned the patient about possible risk. The decision should be up to the patient if they have all the relevant information. May have said this before, but if I get something on the 'risk' list, I won't know if its because I used this medication, or whether I would have got it anyway. xx
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Yes, I agree. And it's also about getting the associated UTIs and other bladder issues. These immediately kicked in with me when they suddenly reduced the strength.
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Hi scriv
I haven't looked at the paper recently but that was the conclusion. It was also based on statistical significance ie a statistically significant number of women (in the study) found that 10 mcg was effective and from what I recall effectiveness was measured both subjectively (how the women perceived their dryness etc or whatever the Qs were) and objectively (through cells, pH etc - bit hazy about the details but something like that).
Even without having the data to hand - say there were 200 women out of 270 for whom 10 mcg was effective, and this was statistically significant - then there would still be 70 women for whom it wasn't. I can't remember what the exact numbers/measures were but it was not 100 %. There were several studies looked at. Therefore there will always be women for whom it is insuffcient. I can't remember whether the women were taking other HRT or not. Sorry not time at the mo' to look it all up. I'll see if I can find the ref for others to look.
Here it is just found it - it's not quite as I said but the idea is the same - it is based on the trials being statistically significant which doesn't mean it will work for everyone. Also 25 mcg was shown to be more effective.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3234898/
I did look at this in detail about 18 months ago and wrote some notes but would need to re-read to comment properly :)
The upshot is that the only possible issue (that I remember) is that during the first two weeks loading period for those who have VA (and probably not taking other HRT),the study showed that systemic estradiol levels briefly went above the post-menopausal range, but then after the loading period they were maintained within the post-meno range. I'm talking from memory here and it might be another paper not this one! Also there were never any safety concerns about 25 mcg.
The whole study I think was prompted by the view that women should be on the lowest dose of hRT for the shortest possible time, but which many disagree with now.
Hurdity x
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Thanks for reminding us, Hurdity! I am always amazed at your information and resources!!!! :) Thanks again
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Yes, me too, thank you. I feel better now about things. xx
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I had trouble with this and started using Estrace Cream. It is applied with a plastic applicator. I did it almost everyday for two weeks and now am supposed to use it 2x per week.
I can definitely see and feel the difference. They said to use 2 grams, I am only using one gram. This plus a good lubricant has really helped with my intimate life with my husband ;)
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Australia still has 25m and I use it 2 times a week did a reload in November14 after 2 yrs
Id done a reload 2 years before that BUT BOY did I get angry(this was before I went home)
One of my pals has her cervix falling she uses a ring till she gets the operation
Also shes burning and sex feels like glass so I said ask for Vagifem she did GPS reply
We only give that to OLD LADIES so I got the number of the surgerys fax
I scanned Vagifem details etc and sent then to the att of Dr P I got a phone call next day.
After the chap abused me I said righty ho Im going to report you how many women in
Your surgery are in agony cos you think Vagifem Ovestin etc are only for over 70s
He splutterd \slammed the phone down my pal went back reasked for Vagifem she got it
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Hi Suzi, WOW, magnificent. xx
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Hi, In the Daily Mail today there was an article about a new treatment called Vagicap being trialled. A tear shaped gel capsul inserted once daily. Sounds promissing. Didn't say how much oestrogen was in each one. At least they're working on the problem. I guess it may be some time before it becomes available though. xx
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If it was something for men you can bet it would be released asap.
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Hi All you lovely ladies, Last couple of days been in a complete panic because I noticed my inner labia have fused together. The thought of having any kind of 'procedure' on my bits completely freaked me out. Looked it up on the web and found that its something that can happen after meno due to lack of oestrogen. Also I've got more fusing at the back, started in 2012 around the same time as the va, which my GP said I should have removed with cryosurgery but gynae ladie said leave alone, but monitor. Naturally I took the 'leave it alone' option.
One time when its been good to look at the web and reassured me instead of giving me more things to panic over. It can become a big problem though if you get closed up and turns into an emergency situation. Will be keeping an eye on it (via the old magnifying mirror) so as not to let it get that bad.
Anybody else got this? Also the article I read says emollients on the perineum area to keep it supple can helpto stop any splitting, but what? Petroleum jelly. Its got to be something without perfume that won't affect the va. xx
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Hi Nervousnel - I'd have a look at the 'Yes' water-based vaginal moisturisers - there is a lot of information on their website.
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I think some use a touch of oestrogen cream on their external bits, you can get it from the Dr. It's not like vagifem which you insert it's more something you rub on.
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Yes I am one who uses it alongside Vagifem. The two keep me comfortable inside and out :)
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OK, thanks for your replies. Not sure the gp[ would give me oestrogen cream as well as vagifem. He keeps warning me about the risks. Guess I could ask. Will look at the YES stuff. I did buy some of that jel at Holland & Barratt a couple of years ago and didn't have any bad reaction. Am trying Sudocream at the moment - also with no bad reaction. xx
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Pardon me for asking but did i read you right?
Your inner labias have stuck together?
You mean you cant part them at all?
If so shouldnt you go to get them seperated?
Im sure a good person could do that with a local not nice but at least youd be better?
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Hi Suzi, Yes, that's right. This meno stuff gets better and better doesn't it. Its joined together just up to where the labia start to hang down. Must have been like it for a while but I only just noticed so its not bothering me. Just wanted to know if anyone else on h ere had it. The thought of having something done is making me feel sick, also I might end up worse off if it goes wrong. The site I looked at on the webb recommended gentle stretching with the fingers to keep the vagina open. At some point I'll probably get fed up with worrying about it and go the the GP but I'm not at that stage yet. I did worry for a while in 2012 before getting the bit at the back looked at and the gynae I saw said leave it .
Some people have a fobia about the dentist, I feel the same about this. ( I do go to the dentist though). It took a lot for me to go to the GP about the va.
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Hey your not Billy No Mates Im terrified of the dentist I vommit pass out u name it bUT I GO
As for your fanny again mines burning like hell opening was so sore I did 3 a week for the last 12 days
Hasnt made much difference openings not as sore by any means and Im soaking wet IMO its irritating me
Outside I mean its leaking as its always done but for some reason my bits outside are burning?
Im sure when your ready it will be so simple probably as I said a Local in the Gyny Office
I hadnt heard of that before? Mine would have a hard job to fuse theres almost nothing left its vaished
My inner labias that go down to between the end of your lady bits and bottom vanished 3 yrs ago
They disolved in to the skin so all I have is 2 small flaps almost up to the clitoral hood so much has gone
Beside whats left of the hair im like a child down there but less plump more sunken pretty gross.
Im convinced that this is it Im 62 tomorrow no HRT went over at 37 no periods for 19yrs IM doomed
To have this burning and aware of my fanny 24/7 is so tireing and depressing and it hurts
It did go for ages then 2 weeks or so back it came and Im on 25m Vagifem but maybe its not working?
So is this it then? If so as long as it gets no worse I can cope NO more Doctors Ive had enough
I think sitting on the comp doesnt help the pressure but its normlly eased by now this time no xxxx
With a vengenace
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Hi Suzi, Thanks so much for your reply. I;ve read a lot of your posts on here and you always make me feel better. The fact that the front is fusing doesn't bother me and I can't feel it but I'm concerned about eventually closing up. When I saw the gynae in 2012 she said the extra skin at the back was nothing to worry about but no other information and my GP didn't explain anything either except to reassure me it was nothing serious like cancer. I guessed it was connected to the va as it happened arround the same time. I spoke to my neighbour who is a medical secretary and she got in touch with the secretary to the consultant in charge. She obviously isn't medically qualified but knows quite a lot from typing letters and reports. She confirmed that they don't usually recommend removing it if the lady is not sexually active (we haven't 'done it' for a few years) and its not causing a nuisance. It has increased at the back in the last 3 and a half years. I did go back again to the GP, can't remember when, to say it was still growing. Think that was when he mentioned the cryosurgery. He didn't try to persuade me or, again, give me any explanation, so I wimped out.
Just this week I've had splitting at the back - not had this before, like the paper cut thing. Thinking about it I'm wondering if some oestrogen cream on the outside would stop or slow down the fusing. Afterall, its a consequence of no oestrogen. When I asked for some replens on prescription the GP said to me 'oh, that's ok its not oestrogen' so I'm doubtful that he will give it to me. I'm even nervous about asking.
Apart from this problem which I'm worrying about again because of noticing about the front labia, the vagifem is working fine at the moment, unless of course my stress causes a blip. So sorry to read that you have problems again with the soreness and burning. Its really dreadful and considerably reduces quality of life. I look at other women walking about and envy them that they don't have these problems but I don't know do I? They might have. They don't know I've got it. I do hope you get some improvement soon. I get really depressed when I get a blip because you start thinking is this it forever. So far I've been lucky and the vagifem has worked again but you alway have that doubt. (I'm 69 - a bit older than most on here I think). Guess I'm lucky to have got this so late as a lot start in late 40's,
Ladies who use oestrogen cream as well as vagifem, can I ask how often you apply it. I assume I can tell my gp its only a tiny amount applied and won't amount to a full dose. Don't know how long it'll be before I steel myself to make an appointment.
Thank you for reading this long missive. I can't tell you how much comfort I've received from this site. XX
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Nervousnel - maybe you could consider using an oestrogen cream instead of Vagifem and then you can use it vaginally and underneath as well (just use what is left in the applicator). The gynae I saw said Vagifem would be no good for me because it didn't reach all the parts it was needed. She also said I couldn't use Vagifem (it didn't suit me anyway!), with the cream externally - it was one or the other. I now use the Estriol cream twice a week and the 'Yes' water based moisturiser (prescribed by my GP) on the other days. Perhaps that combination could help you?
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Jenna im convinced some Drs are alike bottom holes they all have an opinion
Ive never heard of not being able to use both If your insides dry you need HRT creams
Sylk etc is just a nicer form of KY jelly its not a medicinal treatment u may as well use baby lotion
What part did Vagifem not reach YOUR womb? Its reaches the kneck of the bladder thats why ladies on Report a fantastic improvement on weeing cos hormones in Vagi r absorbed at the kneck of the bladder It tightens it as HORMONES do there work as they are needed up there. Good job Vagifem didnt suit you
I can see no reason why if your in pain why u werent put on Ovestin or Orthogynest internaly
2 Vagifem /2 Ortho/ or2 Ovestin aplications wkly add up to only taking 2 HRT pills in a YEAR
Rubbing cream in to your bits is a bit like putting a pin on the head of a Nuke Missile its pretty useless
The creams if you look on the PKT are for internal use it doesnt say and rub it all over your bits
I did that inside and out for 12 years I still got Severe atrophy found my outside shrivelled up@the pain
The cuts the suction ache swelling redness burning all due to NO HORMONES or not enough
When I finally went on Vagifem not only did the cuts vanish the pain and soreness vanished@weeing
I did put some of my Ovestin left outside and it burnt me and id been doing that for years?
You mustnt have Atrophy cos if you did youd be in agony. I dont wish Atrophy on anyone
Im amazed at how unimformed about meno@post meno some GPS are I wouldnt let them cut my nails
Sorry if I sound tense but with so many differeing opinions its hard for someone to not get confused
I found Nervy that rubbing Nilstat over the counter thrush cream treated the cuts FAB gone in 24hrs
As for your closed fanny IM sure when you decide to do something it will be when you decide
I still try to have a decent sex life yes it can still hurt on entry and the 1st few movement but after that!
BUT if we ave love reg it doesnt hurt on entry at all with Atrophy your opening shrinks as well
Thats where the saying use i or lose it comes in BUT Ive a problem cos Bobbles is having problems
61 BP pills Col Pils sides to them not enough blood gets to uknow we can do it but it takes longer for him and he almost never has a climax so hes of to the Doctors he made me go now shhh this is secretx
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Hi Suzi, been trawling the net looking at things that happpen to lady bits post meno. Found a condition called lichen sclerosus. Causes bits to disappaear and also burning and stinging. Maybe you could look it up to see if that might be you.
Also, some baby girls are born with the labia joined. Treatment is with topical oestrogen cream which separates them again. Condition usually resolves on puberty when own oestrogen is produced. So - maybe - putting cream on the outside can help some post meno women with the va and dry outside bits. lol xx
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way too late now
they dont grow back ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Your personal places are stuck together :o - that's a recipe for disaster ::) - get yourself into the bath with some warm water and gently wash the area otherwise if there is infection behind the labia you'll have bigger problems than you do already ??? :o …….. get to know your body ;)
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Hello,
This is my very first post
I am post menopausal, and had REALLY bad problems with this!
Went from Sloppy Guiseppe to Sudden Sahara!!
Anyhow, did loads of internet research, and asked my doc for Estring
Was really happy with this, and it really sorted the problem, and then there was a shortage of supply
Went onto Vagifem which worked too, but was difficult to remember to insert twice a week.
Am told that Estring supplies are now resumed, so will be going to the docs to get some more!
xx
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Hi Marta
Taz x :welcomemm:
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Hi to all ladies
I have been reading this site on and off ..... More on in last few weeks especially this thread.
Briefly I had a hysterectomy over 2 years ago .... Womb and cervix gone but still have my ovaries .
I started to notice the menopause about 18 months ago ...... Hot flushes mainly , dry skin etc. I'm on isoflavones which has greatly helped the sweats and over last year noticed getting dryer down below which I treated by 1. Always using lube 2. Smearing coconut oil on my bits twice a day. Lol.
But just returned from holiday where it started ...... Sandpaper sex ! 😳. I thought at first it might be thrush but did some research and I think it's VA. I guess if I look back over last year there have been times when sex has been a little uncomfortable .... Sore afterwards ... And I put this down to not enough lube. But now even with lube it's sore. I had also noticed that when I use my kegel 8 machine removing the probe even covered in lube felt like I was pulling my insides out 😥😥😥.
Ok so came across this thread which made me think there could be help out there 😁.
I have an appointment with a lady doctor this Thursday so feel I'm pretty up to date with some applications after reading this thread but just wondered if I coukd ask you ladies a few questions.
1 I like the sound of vagifem but I'm worries about side effects ie swollen tummy , mood swings. I have in the past taken the contraceptive pill and it's never really agreed with me. Not sure if this is similar ...... Sorry if I sound stupid lol.
2. How intrusive is the estring ? I used to use a cap but contracted BV a few times using it so eventually stopped.
3. Is ovestin the same as vagifem ?
I look forward to chatting 😊😊😊😊😊
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Hello Jennifer
I've used all of these! I find the Estring the best as it's a consistently higher dose over the week than Vagifem and there are no peaks and troughs. Also you can just forget it's there. Vagifem - I don't know about swollen tummy. It didn't do that to me... but the 2x10 weekly dose just wasn't enough. Ovestin cream - I still use a little of this on the outside as necessary, but again the maintenance dose was just a bit too low for me personally. Your doc is probably likely to start with cream or vagifem and move you onto Estring if the others don't suit (but not many know about it so be prrepared to ask) ;)
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Hi Ancient runner
Thank you for your reply. 😊
I'm guessing it's going to be trial and error like yourself 😳. I feel like I'm fairly well equipped info wise now although unfortunately I'm seeing a trainee doctor 😨 so I'm not holding out slot of hope for guidance.
I'm I right in thinking you used to run ?? Just your user name. Lol. I used to but gave it up about 2 months ago and now reverted to interval training on a bike as less stress on my knee 🚲🚲🚲🚲🚲🚲🚲🚲.
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I still do run - took it up when I was ancient! Not terribly far, but regularly. Went through a bad patch of about a year when undercarriage problems weren't under control. I can't do a bike - think the saddle would just be asking for trouble....
If you're seeing a trainee, you might want to go in primed with information and be very helpful. :)
I forgot to say, the Estring isn't intrusive at all. Think unbattered calamari ring for size... fold it, pop into place and away you go.
I do use something called multigyn actable (I think - can never remember the name but Dancinggirl recommends it) every so often to keep the PH right if things are getting a bit sore. I think that is for BV..
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Heehee!!
Like the calamari ring comment ancient runner!!
I can honestly say I have had no probs with either the vagifem or the estring.
I prefer the estring, as it is pop in and forget, and you have to apply the vagifem twice a week, and peri menopause brain not so great at remembering!!
My doc didn't really know much about the Estring, so did some Googling, and went fully armed for my docs appointment
My dryness was TERRIBLE, and there was spotting and pain with sex, so HRT has been my saviour in that department!!
I use the Sylk lubricant as well, so you can get an idea of the problem!
Hubbie is pleased, as we can have sex again!! :) x
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Hi girls
Maybe silly question but the estring doesn't stay in all the time does it ?? Ie during sex ? I'm thinking that's what I hated about cap was couldn't really be spontaneous 😟😟. Although maybe those days are gone for good lol.
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You certainly can leave the Estring in during sex, my husband and I didn't have any problems. You can take it out if you want before sex and put it back afterward but there really isn't any need.
There is now a contraceptive 'Ring' as well which is the same as the Estring only contains the hormones to prevent pregnancy - my daughter uses this 'Ring' and doesn't find sex a problem with it in.
Dg x
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Thanks for all your replies ladies. I have just been doing some more reading about the estring and I'm thinking that because the cap ( similar to estring ) used to give me BV I have a feeling the estring may do the same. My body doesn't seem to like things left inside so to speak 😮.
I'm thinking the way forward may be to try vagifem first and if no luck then maybe the estring.
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well, you've got options which is good. If you think BV might be a problem (and if I remember rightly you had to use a spermicidal cream with the cap which might have altered your vaginal flora and maybe led to the BV in itself) you could always try the Actigel stuff with the Estring if you wanted. Just a thought. I used both kinds of cap, I remember - the dutch ones were a bit of a fiddle....
Good luck!
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This is my very first post on this site and forum. I've been peri-menopausal/menopausal for a good few years now. During that time I still had monthly periods January 2012 was my last period. I've suffered hot flashes and flushes and still do, but that seemed to be all I got.
I got a bad fungal infection three weeks after being on high dosage of two different antibiotics and oral steroids while in hospital for a lung condition. I also had heavy spotting. My GP prescribed the usual anti-fungal pessiaries and creams but they didn't really help. I was referred to a gynaecologist consultant at the hospital after an examination she told me I had vaginal atrophy and was dry and so prescribed Vagifem (Estradiol) 10 micrograms vaginal tablets. 1 tablet at night for two weeks then 1 tablet twice a week.
This is my first week of twice a week and have used 1 tablet already. I was getting some headaches and abdominal discomfort but now I also have aching joints and pains and a general feeling of malaise.
I have read the posts on this topic and found them very informative, and am looking for any advice on the side effects. I am seeing my GP next Thursday to discuss it and any other options.
Please excuse the ramblings as I'm trying to make this post as understandable as possible.
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Hi and welcome to MM Chriselora
I got a some cramps when I first used Vagifem that it quickly settles. As so little oestrogen is absorbed systemically with local oestrogen it is highly unlikely that the Vagifem will be making you feel poorly. I suspect you are still recovering from all the antibiotics and infection that you had - it can take up to 3-6 months to recover from all these infections and treatments. Aches and pains could be down to low oestrogen so perhaps consider trying some low dose systemic HRT? DG x
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Thank you for welcoming me and replying Dancinggirl. Sometimes when I'm feeling poorly, I find it hard to decide what side effect goes with what condition.
You're right about the antibiotics, they do cause a lot of problems which can be worse than the condition they were originally prescribed for.
I've an appointment with my GP next week and will definitely discuss it with her.
Thank you again. :)
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Hi ladies
Just update on my situation . Ok so went to doctor today ... Trainee one .... Who was very good and actually got main doctor involved who was very understanding .... Unfortunately did involve an internal 😒 but she has prescribed me vagisan to try and definately said could do with it. So I have to use one tablet every night for 2 weeks and then 2/3 times a week. So just tried my first one and will keep you updated to see whether they help and if any side effects.
She said HRT was something to think about but if I was considering it that I should start it sooner rather than later. But also said that could only use it for 5 years and that they were having to counsel some ladies to ween them off it ... Lol 😳😳😳😳. Is it really that good ????
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I am luck enough to have a "keen" hubby who is willing to take his time so as not to cause pain. Also we have found a great waterbased lube......
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It's great to experiment with different products and different ways. As you go further into meno you may find it more difficult as even a keen hubby taking his time might not be enough but there are always the topical oestrogens which can really help keep both the vagina and pelvic floor in better condition.
Taz x
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LellyM is that the Yes water based? We found that was quite good but water and oil based together didn't dry out so much ::)
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Ive still got a few 25m left enough for 5 weeks or so
But ive put in a few times 2x10mg then 1 10mg then 2x 10 weekly to keep the same dose so far !!!!
My Gp sent me something that might interest everyone now I cant cutnpaste so bear with me and spelling
Dr Anna Burrows www.drannaburrows.com.au I dont know if Im allowed to do this but here goes
Shes a Gyny in Ozz MBBS (UQ University of Queensland) FRANZCOG Medical specialist in Gyny
innovative NON hormonal treatment for Vaginal Atrophy symptoms (shes at the Wesley womens hospital)
Its called Monalisa touch is a low risk procedure w
that gives long lasting improvments for Dysp Urin Incont Vag Burning itching dryness rev thrush prolapse Vag Laxity and Vag and Vulv pain patients return to normal activity with in 5 mins of procedure its al alterbnaive to patients who cant take HRT or patients who can but need furtther help
Its a lazer teratment in the Vagina it treats the walls and can give relief for 12/18mnths
Now Im not recomending it as I dont fancy a lazer up my hoo ha myself
But thought it was well worth telling you about it if thats OK with Dr Currie
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That's really interesting Suzi Q. I had visions of Star Wars light sabres but actually that looks OK. I know you don't fancy a laser up your hoo har but looks worth considering...
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:thankyou: SuziQ - I would have considered anything to get rid of the feeling that there were razor blades up there ::)
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Well Id like to thank Emma and Dr that they allowed it up and didnt remove my post
I didnt write down everything how much it works the diagrams case history etc
But the Wesley is one of the best female oriented hospitals in Ozz
If I get to the point which I have been a few trimes where Vagi doesnt seem to work Id consider it
Especially as its non surgial have a google check it out
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:thankyou: SuziQ - I would have considered anything to get rid of the feeling that there were razor blades up there ::)
Know what you mean....really awful isn't it. Vagifem has definitely helped though.
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Hi I have suddenly started having a brownish pink discharge after being on HRT for 3 years and not having a period for some time, I have recently changed tablets, also stomach like period pains is this normal?
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annemarie - Hi and welcome to MM
If you change the type of HRT you use then it is quite common to get spotting or erratic bleeding until things adjust and settle. The cramps will be because your body is adjusting.
What HRT were you using before and what you are now using?
If spotting persists or gets worse then it may be worth asking for a scan.
Have you done a post on NEW MEMBERS so more ladies can respond and welcome you?
DG x
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Hi
I was on premique low dose, but could not get anymore from maufactuer. I am now on femoston conti.
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Hi Anniemarrie - these are very different types of HRT so you will get some initial problems. Actually Femoston is a better HRT to use anyway as the oestrogen is bio identical and the progesterone is kinder. I expect things will settle in the next few weeks. Dg x
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Thank you :)
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I was having serious dryness, not only with vaginal dryness but also my skin. It was causing rashes and mysterious itches, it was very uncomfortable. I went to my health food store and they recommended Flax Oil and Maca Root. I took a teaspoon of oil twice daily and within 3 days I had noticeable changes. I was no longer suffering from any sort of dryness. It is though my world took on a whole new season. I know that natural remedies vary from person to person, but I highly recommend this easy fix. And also as a side note, I am no longer suffering from hot flashes either. :-) I will definitely continue taking the Flax Oil.
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Positive results from a phase 3 trial of intravaginal dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA; EndoCeutics) suggest it may be a viable alternative to intravaginal estrogen in combatting dryness and painful sex after menopause.
"The fact that we would have another new hormonal treatment that is not estrogen is exciting," JoAnn Pinkerton, MD, NCMP, executive director of the North American Menopause Society, told Medscape Medical News. "And unlike lubricants and moisturizers, it actually corrects the problem. For women who are fearful of or don't want to use vaginal estrogens, it gives them a hormonal vaginal product that works."
DHEA is a hormone, but the effects appear to be localized, which means no significant amount of sex hormone gets released into the bloodstream. All estrogen-based vaginal formulations increase estrogens in the bloodstream, even at low doses, say lead author Fernand Labrie, MD, PhD, president and chief executive officer of EndoCeutics Inc, Quebec City, Quebec, Canada, and colleagues.
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I found this - "Carlsons are vaginal suppositories containing vitamin E which I obtained from Amazon. When you remove them from the foil they are each individually enclosed in I can only describe them as a white, waxy bullet. When I have pulled down the foil about half way down I then insert my thumb nail to separate the suppository in two and just take the top piece and place it in my tiny lidded container, and rewrap the piece left in the foil to use up next time." As stated previously I then tip out half of the DHEA capsule (keeping the half remaining capsule to use next time with the suppository) put the lid on the plastic container and shake them both up together. I did discover a better way though and have bought a lubricant called Sylk (I'm sure any water based lube would be OK) and add just one drop to the plastic container before I shake it. This improved the take up of the DHEA onto the Carlsons. So there you have it, my D.I.Y recipe (following weeks of Google research) to finally beat this very painful condition of severe atrophy. The Carlsons gave me immediate relief from the soreness and dryness, and there is hope that the DHEA will provide a long term return to normality. I did use this every day for a month and now reduced to alternate days 3 times a week with a break at the weekends. The cost is minimal and I don't suffer any of the symptoms I was experiencing before. I would have used the Dehydration Cubes if they were available in the U.K. but they just aren't but as this method is undeniably working for me I am quite happy to continue with it. I was prescribed Vagifem by my local hospital but was too sore to even be able to insert the applicator without a great deal more pain and within 5 days I was so unwell I knew I couldn't continue with it. The severe headache in itself was unbearable but I had severe cramps in my lower regions and, it's hard to describe, but I felt as if my body was trying to eject that one small, hard tablet. I am a person who has experienced similar headaches which went on day after day whenever I was described anything hormonal but I have had no problem whatsoever in tolerating the DHEA and it doesn't remind me of its presence in any way. I insert it and forget it. Simples!
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I am going to try the above - apologies if it it discussed here - I have read the first 35 pages and didn't come across it.
I have been on the Vagifem all this week and my mood has plummeted drastically. I feel like I am locked in my own body in a claustrophobic way just like I did when I tried the vivelle dot patch (but estrogel is fine) I don't think I can stick out the Vagifem any longer - anyone else tried the DHEA ?
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elizabeth64 - Before you try all this expensive DHEA etc. do try the Sylk alongside the Vagifem. Sylk is a brilliant lubricator anyway - I use it everyday - I also use Multi Gyn Actigel which can relieve itchiness and soreness. If you have been trying to use Vagifem without a lubricant then it will have been really uncomfortable. I responded to your other thread - please don't give up on Vagifem as it really will work in time and will help generally. I use everything - systemic HRt (one pump of Oestrogel daily with 12 days of Utrogestan, together with Vagifem and lubricants - I need it all of this to keep things healthy around my 'lady bits'. It will get better but I think someone suggested you see a pelvic floor clinic for advice as well, which I feel would be essential for you - so ask your GP for a referral. Dg x
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Hi Dg
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
I am on a similar protocol to you - 1 pump estrogel a day. Then USP progesterone for 12 days, plus I take a tiny bit of testosterone which has been amazing. I have got DHEA tablets from my doctor already so its easy for me to put a tiny bit of one into a vitamin E pessary
I alos have some Ovestin cream for the outer lady bits.
I have been using the vagifem for a week and I feel so awful. I can't bear it. Violent hot flashes, exhaustion, overwhelming nausea. I've got a small business and I can't do anything today apart from lie down.
My husband and I haven't had sex for 2 years, not because of the pain ( I didn't know ) but because of marital problems. I found out myself with a vibrator last weekend.
I was interested to read that DHEA converts to oestrogen in the vagina - so it should work in the same way - and people have been raving about it recently.
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Hi
I have definitely had this problem!!
Went from sloppy guiseppe to sudden Sahara!!
Went on Internet and found Estring which is an hrt ring that you insert for 3 months, and it releases a tiny amount of oestrogen daily
Has definitely worked for me, and now able to have sex now and then!! Xxx
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I'm very annoyed. Just collected my prescription for Vagifem. I have been prescribed 2 pessaries twice a week, because my vagina was very red and sore and I was having thrush infection affection after thrush infection. The new prescription, which was prescribed by my gynaecologist, has made things much, much better. The pharmacist told me that the prescription was far too strong and that the normal dose of 10mg was perfectly adequate. The middle of Boots is not the place for an argument.
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Ju Ju - you start with 10mg Vagifem pessary every day for the first 2 weeks and then use 2-3 times a week after that. The 25mg pessary was phased out quite some time ago - your gynae should have known this?!!!!
I would also use some Sylk alongside Vagifem to moisturise and sooth the whole area. DG x
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I'm well aware of this. I am following the advice given to me by my gynaecologist, who has an excellent reputation and who I trust. I've been using vagifem for a while and the normal prescription was fine. However, the need to increase the dose came after hysterectomy and on examination she found that I was very red and sore. I had had several thrush infections, plus strep B, which had never happened before. Even inserting vagifem caused injury unless I was very, very careful. By following this regime, things have settled down and no doubt, I can cut down eventually. My GP is happy with the advice I have been given. I'm cross, because the pharmistist seemed very judgemental without any idea of the facts.
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Sorry JuJu - I misunderstood what you were saying. The pharmacist was completely out of order to do this - it's not their job to tell you what you should or shouldn't be prescribed or use, unless there is a contraindication between various drugs. Many of us use Vagifem several times a week - it used to 25 mg anyway, so was far stronger.
The instructions also say to stop using Vagifem after 2 years - why it is thought that VA will magical stop or be cured after 2 years of use absolutely baffles me :P I will probably need it for the rest of my life.
DG x
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Thanks. The gynae called it reoestrogenising the vagina. Well, it's working and I've not had a thrush infection since.
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Ring your GP and ask what was written on the prescription? The Pharmacist isn't there to alter a prescription, did he ring your GP to enquire ? He's there to prescribe ……..
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Id be reporting the chemist. Hes there to follow the Doctors prescription.
Not argue with you over it. Hes gone beyond the bounds in fact hes questioning
The Doctor. Is it a franchise chemist? Does he own the chemist or just a chemist in the shop? Id send at the very least a letter. Im on 10 by 7 one every night its still not right
25x2 with an odd extra one worked fantastic. I cant put 2 in i burn its the covering.
2 lots of it is too m7ch. Plus ive been on vag for over 6 years and been assured as long as nothing goes wrong i can use it for ever
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I got the prescription. It was very clear. 2 pessaries twice a week. It was just that I felt I was being judged for being prescribed double the normal amount of vagifem. I didn't feel I should have to justify or explain why this amount was prescribed. It certainly is part of a pharmistist's job to query a prescription if she/he thinks a prescription is incorrect. But there are ways of doing this and certainly not by giving me a lecture. I suppose I could have told her the gory details why this has been prescribed. In the middle of Boots. I wouldn't have thought it unusual to be prescribed more than the recommended amount if it is necessary. I shall be avoiding this chemist in future.
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I've just been prescribed ReplensMD by my GP to cope with dryness, has anyone used this...I am well behind with my smears as I find it so painful, she thinks this will help.....
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yorkshirerose - you need Vagifem - so get back to the GP and ask for this. Vagifme is local oestrogen and will be far more effective. Use the Replens as well as the Vagifem. I also use Sylk which I find really great to add some moisture and lubrication.
I use serious extra lubrication for sex. BTW I'm 60 and have needed vaginal moisturisers and local oestrogen for many years and will probably need these for the rest of my life to keep things comfortable. Dg x
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I got queried a couple of times by pharmacists with my old GPs prescriptions - the one at Sainsbury's came out from the back specially when I picked my prescription up. My local pharmacy went through 3 labels trying to get it right. ;D
It said "use 1 or 2 twice weekly"
They were quite happy when I said that it was so that you could double it up if one wasn't enough. No problem with that. Seemed pretty standard. It was just the wording tied their brain in knots ;D
The prescription at my new GP just says "Insert one pessary into the vagina as directed", but they prescribe two boxes :)
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Hi I'm 45 and this has been a major problem for me. My gp has put me on HRT patches and Replens vaginal moisturiser and Estriol cream. I'm in absolute agony and been unable to sleep with my husband for years. It's just too painful and I get infections.
Hoping to get my life back
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Burchers - welcome to MM. You poor thing, so many women suffer in silence over this and the treatment you are getting now will hopefully work it's magic over the next few weeks. You are certainly not alone with with this problem - lots of us get ongoing urogential atrophy problems and will need treatment for the rest of our lives. It may take time for you as you have obviously been oestrogen deficient for so long - be patient, expect some strange things like tingling and itching around your ‘lady bits' at first - this will be everything ‘waking up'.
The other moisturiser I like to use on a daily basis is called Sylk. I didn't like the mess of Replens so prefer to use Sylk and if the Estriol cream is messy and irritates then the alternative to this is Vagifem which is easier to use, so you can ask your GP for this if you don't get on with the cream.
The HRT patches is a very good idea as you are far too young to be oestrogen deficient and this systemic HRT will help to protect your heart and bones for the long term and will help to restore libido etc..
Bravo to your GP for getting you on the right treatment - sadly too many GPs are not up to speed on these things so have been lucky.
When you do feel ready to attempt sex again, it is vital you use lots of lubrication - many women like the ‘YES' products but I get on fine with Durex Extra glide or similar. Do give yourself time - it may take some weeks to get things back on track and systemic HRT patches may bring some side effects at first so report back to us for support if you are worried about this, however, side effects often settle within a few months. Let us know how you get on. DG x
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Thank you so much. I've had a tough few months with terrible anxiety I've managed to stay at work but feel very fragile.
What do I need to look out for
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Hello all,
I am a new member. This site and particularly this discussion on vaginal dryness have been an absolute lifesaver. I literally dont know what I would have done if I hadn't stumbled on it and realised I am not alone.
I am 55 now, I went into menopause overnight at 42, probably due to autoimmune issues. I was ok on estrogel but everything came back this autumn after I had switched to Livial or Tibolone a year ago.
I have a lot of symptoms but the most distressing of all is what I can only describe as bladder irritability or jumpiness; it just never feels quite right and its almost impossible to feel comfortable. Its driving me crazy. (Repeated cultures show there is no infection). The gynecologist told me the vagina and vulva were red and inflamed and that I had vaginal atrophy. Peeing also burns on and off.
I tried vagifem 1x 14 nights and then twice weekly for 3 weeks but it didnt do the trick. I realise I might have to increase the dose (am also back on 2 squirts estrogel) -
Does this bladder discomfort sound familiar ?
Very depressed.
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Hello all,
I'm not sure I posted this in the right place - I think it isn't being seen- so am reposting - Happy New Year, everyone !
I am a new member. This site and particularly this discussion on vaginal dryness have been an absolute lifesaver. I literally dont know what I would have done if I hadn't stumbled on it and realised I am not alone.
I am 55 now, I went into menopause overnight at 42, probably due to autoimmune issues. I was ok on estrogel but everything came back this autumn after I had switched to Livial or Tibolone a year ago.
I have a lot of symptoms but the most distressing of all is what I can only describe as bladder irritability or jumpiness; it just never feels quite right and its almost impossible to feel comfortable. Its driving me crazy. (Repeated cultures show there is no infection). The gynecologist told me the vagina and vulva were red and inflamed and that I had vaginal atrophy. Peeing also burns on and off.
I tried vagifem 1x 14 nights and then twice weekly for 3 weeks but it didnt do the trick. I realise I might have to increase the dose (am also back on 2 squirts estrogel) -
Does this bladder discomfort sound familiar ?
Very depressed.
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Hi Kkay - sorry you haven't had a response.
As you had a premature meno then VA can be more of a problem. If you have been using a fairly low dose of oestrogen then your ‘lady bit's will suffer more from VA as well - I do hope you are still using full systemic HRT? Local oestrogen like Vagifem will help but if the VA and bladder problems have become quite severe then a reduction in symptoms will take longer. The Vagifem may have to used more often for some time ( possibly of the rest of your life) and do use vaginal moisturiser like Sylk on a daily basis to keep things more comfortable. You can get Sylk online but there other vaginal moisturisers e.g. YES products, that many seem to like.
This type of urogenitial atrophy is far more common than is thought - you are certainly not alone.
When the bladder is badly effected you also need to adopt various strategies:
Make sure you drink enough water and avoid caffein, alcohol and any acidic drinks e.g. orange or cranberry juice.
Make sure you empty your bladder fully each time you pee - rock your hips back and forward a little when you feel you have finished, as you may find this releases some urine.
Empty your bladder every 3-4 hours.
Do pelvic floor exercises to strengthen the area but also practise relaxing the pelvic floor so you don't retain any urine while peeing.
Don't use anything scented to wash the ‘lady bits' - showering is better that baths and don't wash your hair in the shower or the shampoo can get to the 'lady bits'.
Lots of lubrication for sex is essential and daily use of vaginal moisturiser is also very good.
Keep using the Vagifem - at least 3-4 times a week till things are improved - daily for the next 3-4 weeks may also be a good idea but you need to chat with a gynae about this if your GP won't agree to you doing daily for that long. Once things are feeling better then ongoing use of Vagifem at least twice a week will be necessary or symptoms will return.
If the urethra is burning then drink a small glass of water with half a teaspoon of bicarbonate of soda in it - do this morning and evening till it feels better - this will neutralise the urine and help relieve the burning.
Increasing the Oestrogel is probably a good idea - I believe systemic oestrogen helps the bladder function better.
I do hope things improve - you are doing the right things but it is just going to take time and ongoing treatment to keep things under control. I have suffered with urogenital atrophy for many years so I hope my tips are helpful.
Dg x
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Thank you soooo much for taking the time to write such a thoughtful response, Dancing Girl, I really appreciate it very much.
I am on full systemic HRT; currently using two puffs of estrogel daily. I will also do periodic progesterone in the form of Dydrogesterone. I will use vagifem more frequently, as you and many others here have suggested.
I dont have that much frequency but a constant feeling of bladder discomfort at best and a worst a heavy, dragging feeling. This bothers me much more than the burning, which I find I can deal with better. Does this sound familiar to anyone ? Have you come accross others mentioning this? I sometimes panic and wonder if there are other things going on as well...
Rather depressed.
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Kkay - you say you are only taking the progesterone periodically?? Do you do 10 days per month or perhaps a slightly longer cycle of 10 days every 6-8 weeks. I am wondering if this heavy, dragging feeling is more to do with your womb becoming thickened - do you feel more comfortable after you have had a bleed? Perhaps do 10 days of Dydro each month to see if that helps?
Where do you live? - in the UK we can't get Dydrogesterone on it's own (sadly) - it's a good progesterone to use as it brings fewer side effects.
If this dragging continues, it could be worth seeing a urologist to have a cystoscopy and check whether the bladder is OK. DG x
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Thank you for this...I'll do as you say and induce a bleed and see if it makes a difference. Havent noticed yet.
Might have to go the cystoscopy route but am dreading it.
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I had a cystoscopy - it's fine - nothing to worry about. Peace of mind is a great thing. DG x
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Thank you for that.....
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DancingGirl, I am very touched by your concern, thank you truly.
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Hello KKay and welcome to the forum.
I can see that Dancinggirl has given you some good advice.
A friend of mine had some investigations a while ago and was diagnosed with an over active bladder caused by declining hormones. I'm not sure of the details but I know she was prescribed some tablets that helped a lot. I also know that she doesn't take them anymore to perhaps this is the sort of thing that settles in time. Hopefully so!
Wishing you well and keep posting.
K.
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Yes it sounds all too familiar.
I tried using it twice a week to start with and the promising start came to nothing. A doctor told me to do the two week boost again and I read more about it and used it every other day to start with ( my prescription said use one or two twice weekly so figured that was fine).
Three years later things are much more stable. I think it gets better once your tissues are well.
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Thank you Kathleen and DahliaGirl....I'll keep you posted
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Hello all,
I'm not sure I posted this in the right place - I think it isn't being seen- so am reposting - Happy New Year, everyone !
I am a new member. This site and particularly this discussion on vaginal dryness have been an absolute lifesaver. I literally dont know what I would have done if I hadn't stumbled on it and realised I am not alone.
I am 55 now, I went into menopause overnight at 42, probably due to autoimmune issues. I was ok on estrogel but everything came back this autumn after I had switched to Livial or Tibolone a year ago.
I have a lot of symptoms but the most distressing of all is what I can only describe as bladder irritability or jumpiness; it just never feels quite right and its almost impossible to feel comfortable. Its driving me crazy. (Repeated cultures show there is no infection). The gynecologist told me the vagina and vulva were red and inflamed and that I had vaginal atrophy. Peeing also burns on and off.
I tried vagifem 1x 14 nights and then twice weekly for 3 weeks but it didnt do the trick. I realise I might have to increase the dose (am also back on 2 squirts estrogel) -
Does this bladder discomfort sound familiar ?
Very depressed.
Ohhhh its familiar alright.
I use one 10mg vagifem every night. Mostly im fine but i get the blip.
Im in one now red raw hot poker weeing burns ahhhhhh.
It will ease off. Ive had this it started 9 years tomorrow with a simple itch.
That was it that was they symptom.
My gp is happy for me to use 1 a night. He says 365 vagifem is the equivalent to 10 hrt pills no brainer in my case. Use no soap use toilet wipes for the bottom the moist flushable ones. No talc knickers i wash with no fabric softner and a non soap powder.
I know 100% when i tidy myself downstairs i will ache and wee for a few days irritation.
But in tropical Queensland you have to be short downstairs if you get my drift scissors etc
Good luck dont give up go back ask for one a night ok x
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Thank you SuzyQ so much for your reply; since my Jan 2 post I used the only thing available here which is Premarin cream and I used that for five weeks straight. There was some improvement but still a lot of stinging and burning. I then managed to get Vagifem via a doctor friend abroad and am now using that EVERY DAY. Some days I use 2. I will do this for two weeks or until the symptoms calm down and only then will I think about tapering it.
I read all your posts, thank you for all your advice.
:)
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I have seen on some local CCG sites for doctors where they advise using vagifem daily for 2 weeks, then alternate days for 2 weeks before going down to the 2 per week.
I did that (after a false start where it worked, then didn't) and that is how I got to the 3 per week point.
I have used it for about 3 years now, it has calmed down a lot and can miss the odd one without a disaster :)
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Thank you Dahliagirl
What are CCG sites ?
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Thank you SuzyQ so much for your reply; since my Jan 2 post I used the only thing available here which is Premarin cream and I used that for five weeks straight. There was some improvement but still a lot of stinging and burning. I then managed to get Vagifem via a doctor friend abroad and am now using that EVERY DAY. Some days I use 2. I will do this for two weeks or until the symptoms calm down and only then will I think about tapering it.
I read all your posts, thank you for all your advice.
:)
Nooo god dont if it works dont muck around atrophy is for life.
If you come of it or lower it chances are ahhhhh
I did it over 3 weeks ago im finding my mons areas getting fatty and im wet as inside
So smart pants thought id reduce it im now paying for it big time xxxxx
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I am perimenopausal and have been suffering from vaginal dryness/urinary problems for the last few years. I have been to the dr about this problem several times and have been told that because I still have regular periods I have enough oestrogen. I have been taking 3000 mg of evening primrose and flaxseed daily for about the past year but this hasn't solved the problem. I have trawled my way through everything I can find on the internet and have discovered that DHEA vaginal suppositories are "the next best thing". I have ordered some DHEA capsules which I am hoping will arrive very soon and am going to try making my own suppositories using the DHEA powder and Carlson's Vitamin E pessaries. Has anybody else tried this remedy? Thanks
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I'm sorry you are having a difficult time. I'm sure that others who are more knoweldgeable than me will give you more information and I dont know anything about DHEA
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I do think that your doctor is completely mistaken in making a judgement that your estrogen level is sufficient simply on the basis of the regularity of your periods.
My reproductive endocrinologist told me that estrogen levels can start to drop as early as seven years before menopause and also that if you are symptomatic, then your levels are clearly not enough for what your body needs and you need estrogen.
You might want to consider seeing someone who is more experienced with menopause (gynecologists often are not, sadly) and consider using a local estrogen like Vagifem, which is a tiny dose in a tablet form that only acts locally.
Good luck
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Hi Jackanory,
I think Kkay has given you good advice and other ladies here will also pop in with a lot of info on vaginal dryness. Browse the site, there are a number of threads on this subject.
I have taken DHEA (oral) for 6 months and it helped me with vaginal lubrication but I don't have vaginal atrophy. I'm not familiar with DHEA vaginal suppositories... but I read an article recently that they are under trial. Be aware that there are many different products available and many are not reliable.
Good luck from me too!
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Thanks for your replies ladies, I have tried to get Vagifem on numerous occasions from various GPs but to no avail. I have had my lady bits looked at and been told that they are fine. I have been prescribed Replens which is nasty nasty stuff, doesn't help with the dryness and generates masses of horrible gritty white/pink/grey/brown gunk which I had to scoop out of myself. I use natural lubricants and moisturisers including Yes and Vit E capsules. I am still waiting for the DHEA capsules, they are quite hard to get hold of and I ordered them from a website called Biovea, which I have never heard of before, I hope it's not something dodgy. Anyway, hopefully they will arrive any day and I can try the home made DHEA pessaries.
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Jackanory - Here is the section from the NICE guidelines regarding treatment of urogenital atrophy - so burning, dryness, UTI type symptoms etc.
Altered sexual function
1.4.8
Consider testosterone[1] supplementation for menopausal women with low sexual desire if HRT alone is not effective.
Urogenital atrophy
1.4.9
Offer vaginal oestrogen to women with urogenital atrophy (including those on systemic HRT) and continue treatment for as long as needed to relieve symptoms.
1.4.10
Consider vaginal oestrogen for women with urogenital atrophy in whom systemic HRT is contraindicated, after seeking advice from a healthcare professional with expertise in menopause.
1.4.11
If vaginal oestrogen does not relieve symptoms of urogenital atrophy, consider increasing the dose after seeking advice from a healthcare professional with expertise in menopause.
1.4.12
Explain to women with urogenital atrophy that:
symptoms often come back when treatment is stopped
adverse effects from vaginal oestrogen are very rare
they should report unscheduled vaginal bleeding to their GP.
1.4.13
Advise women with vaginal dryness that moisturisers and lubricants can be used alone or in addition to vaginal oestrogen.
1.4.14
Do not offer routine monitoring of endometrial thickness during treatment for urogenital atrophy.
Print this off to show the GP and ask why they won't give you the Vagifem when it is now the standard treatment for your problems? I assume they have sent you to a urologist for investigations as well? To not give appropriate treatment is frankly negligent - you should not be having to buy expensive alternative treatments that may or may not work, when there is treatment that is tried tested and safe.
Do be careful with DHEA - look at the side effects it can give - just because you can buy it easily and is a supposedly ‘natural' product, doesn't mean it's entirely safe. Many of our most powerful drugs are derived from botanical and natural sources.
It makes me so cross that GPs won't give appropriate treatment where needed. Dg x
BTW , have you tried SYLK - I find this great for moisturisation.
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Thank you very much for the NICE guidelines Dancinggirl. I have not had any investigations or referrals, only had 2 different lady GPs and one male GP look at my bits and advise me that I am not suffering from atrophy and that because I have regular periods I have enough oestrogen. I guess my symptoms are not severe enough, and having read what some other poor ladies have had to suffer through I can see that I am not suffering that badly. It is only really sexual activity that gives me bother. I have tried just about every lubricant ever invented, and have tried Sylk, which is good, but I prefer YES, to me it feels natural and soothing and it doesn't irritate in anyway. I use the water based one, I think the oil based may have given me an infection.
I should have mentioned that I am in Scotland, I don't know whether the policy in Scotland is any different to that in England as regards hormonal treatment. I have not long since been to the GP and been knocked back again, I can't really face going back again so soon, even with the NICE guidelines, I have had the indignity of explaining my problems and having to take my pants off and have my "bits" looked at just to be told that they "are fine". I may need to wait until my periods stop completely which surely will happen soon and for the atrophy to get worse, which it most certainly will.
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Hi Jackanory,
Biovea is a trusted site but has all sorts of supplements and vitamins from different brands, some of them may not be trusted...
Home made DHEA pessaries? Will you buy the capsules and then use the powder? Would you care to explain that?
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Hi Menomale!
I came across some posts on Mumsnet from ladies who had made their own DHEA vaginal suppositories. Apparently DHEA vaginal suppositories have been used in clinical trials in Canada with great success, working in a way similar to Vagifem, though they don't contain oestrogen, the DHEA is converted into oestrogen and this only happens locally, the oestrogen does not travel around the body, so is considered to be completely safe.
Ladies have used between 2 mg to 10 mg of DHEA, daily for a fortnight then twice a week. I have bought 10mg DHEA capsules. I intend to use 5mg per day. I will open the capsule, tip out half the powder. I will then cover a Carlsons Vit-E pessary in the powder and insert.
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Thank you Jackanory!
I see from the links that you have posted elsewhere that these home made pessaries is a sort of experiment tried by one user of that forum. I wouldn't be comfortable trying this approach based on only one personal experience. I am aware of the Canada trial and would wait for the final outcome. You said that you stll have periods, so maybe your problem is not low oestrogen, that would explain why Vagifem has not worked for you. Have you considered other vaginal issues, like lichen sclerosus? There are some threads on this subject here.
XXX
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I had periods AND VA, and I think I am not alone in that.
I also didn't look too bad from the outside as far as I know. But using oestrogen supplements were the only thing that helped.
Jackanory, you're in Scotland aren't you? Dr Currie who runs this site and is chair of the British Menopause Society is also in Scotland and answers email queries. You could drop her a line and explain your predicament, and with luck you'll get an answer you can take to your GP. They might pay attention to her, as she's a big cheese/local/an expert.
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Hi ancientrunner,
I hope you didn't take my post as a statement that if you have periods you can't have vaginal atrophy... I am just suggesting another possible route of investigation, since many ladies here with VA have controlled it with local oestrogen. I only had 2 periods in the last 2 years, my 4 blood tests in this period show very low levels of oestrogen and still I don't have any signs of VA so this is clearly not a simple correlation issue. I'm sorry if I have upset you in any way.
XXX
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Menomale is right regards other things could be a miss so I would want to see a vulva dermatologist.
Internet DIY stuff is when we are desperate and nothing else has worked .
I have VA with full periods , BUT i also have vulvodynia/ vestibuldynia the oestrogen is doing so much , but I have added nerve damage also.
Also you don't need to look atrophied to actually have it from what Dr Annie Evans told me now retired.
We can get excema down there all sorts , the two Lichens .
However dermos a generally not great at VA.
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I developed VA five years ago but my last period was nearly two years ago so you can definitely get it whilst still having periods. Also VA apart from some palpitations was my only problem! Like you I found the Replens rubbish at doing anything.
I hade to persevere getting prescribed topical HRT as I kept getting told I had thrush as doctors would not acknowledge VA in perimenopause stage.
I eventually got treatment prescribed
by insisting that I be allowed to try it and see if it helped, which of course it did.
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Thank you very much for the NICE guidelines Dancinggirl. I have not had any investigations or referrals, only had 2 different lady GPs and one male GP look at my bits and advise me that I am not suffering from atrophy and that because I have regular periods I have enough oestrogen. I guess my symptoms are not severe enough, and having read what some other poor ladies have had to suffer through I can see that I am not suffering that badly. It is only really sexual activity that gives me bother. I have tried just about every lubricant ever invented, and have tried Sylk, which is good, but I prefer YES, to me it feels natural and soothing and it doesn't irritate in anyway. I use the water based one, I think the oil based may have given me an infection.
Do what DG said print out.
Do you think any man would suffer if his penis was burning throbbing and having sex was impossibly painfull thats if no matter how h... he is he still couldn't do it. Not on your life
I should have mentioned that I am in Scotland, I don't know whether the policy in Scotland is any different to that in England as regards hormonal treatment. I have not long since been to the GP and been knocked back again, I can't really face going back again so soon, even with the NICE guidelines, I have had the indignity of explaining my problems and having to take my pants off and have my "bits" looked at just to be told that they "are fine". I may need to wait until my periods stop completely which surely will happen soon and for the atrophy to get worse, which it most certainly will.
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Hello All. I tried to use replense but found after insertion. I experienced sharp uncomfotable stomach pains. It also did not seem to lubricate me. I have tried other lubricants are better esp before attempted sex. But it is a small pain applying the lubricant just before sex & a bit of a passion killer. My vaginal lips otherwise feel often thst dry that they stick to my pants & this is really uncomfortable. On one occassion I was that dry when attempting sex that it caused damage to my partners tip of his penis & he is awaitng surgery for this. So if anybody hasany suggestions I would be eternally grateful as my GP is not the most sympathetic with menopause symptoms. I have asked her about Oestrogen creme but she said the sideffects are a worry with cancer. Plus I would have to be referred to a menopause specialist..?? I am 48 & was still having regular periods but horrendous PMS type symptoms/ night sweats. So now 3/12 in with Femostan 1/10 & it appears to of stopped working ... arrrgh 😪
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I am truly speechless by this , regards your GP ........I am sure dancing girl and other fellow sufferers will be the same .
You can have local oestrogen for life/ for ever .....the NICE 2015 menopause guidelines say so.
I am really busy today so can't put a lot into the post.
But you may also need full HRT I do.
If you GP is being awkward DEMAND to be referred to a menopause centre , hopefully dancing girl will add onto this. Do not give up it is your right to get local oestrogen tou have VA , vaginal atrophy .
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Hi bluebell 1
Do look at the post I did earlier in this thread where I give the full quote from the NICE guidelines on the treatment of urogenital atrophy. Unfortunately I'm posting on my phone these days ( can't get MM on my MacBook as it's too old) so it's difficult to copy and paste stuff.
Your GP is totally wrong so go back with the NICE guidelines printed off plus info from this site and demand a referral to a gynaecologist or meno clinic. Most of us offer using a local oestrogen called Vagifem as it's easier to use and causes less irritation.
Do try using a vaginal moisturiser SYLK - I find this much better. Lots of lubrucation is essential for sex - I actually find the Durex extra glide really good.
You may need to go to the higher dose of Femoston as well. DG.
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Bluebell - change your GP Pronto! She/he is out of date completely :bang: :bang: :bang:. Shouldn't still be in Practice >:(.
Does your Practice have a Nurse Practitioner or maybe visit a Pharmacy in your town and find out which Surgeries support menopausal women the best. Explain that your GP is totally out of date and is refusing vaginal atrophy treatment, trying to scare you with scare stories about cancer risks. Ask for a referral as suggested by DG.
Applying a lubricant doesn't need to be a passion killer ::). If 1 is taking care of 'down there' then using a lubricant or oestrogen replacement will be taken care of anyway ........ :-\ .......
My GP was on the ball and prescribed HRT despite my having had treatment for breast disease. It wasn't discussed but Quality of Life was!
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Thanks for your advice. I have got an appointment with the nurse on Friday and will discuss with her if she thinks I should up the doseage for a while. I know that any tests will not show either thrush or a bladder infection so it must be the good old menopause making things uncomfortable.
I have tried Replens in the past, and whilst it did make the internal parts feel better it did not do much for the external discomfort and pain so presume that the oestrogen is needed to work on the skin tissues. The stupid thing is when all is hunky dory down below it is almost impossible to remember just how horrid it is when it flares up - bit like toothache really.
HI there
I was reading through this ling on vaginal dryness and came across your account of how you were Ok on Vagifem and then it flares up. This is happening to me. Just wondered if you have made further progress and if you have stabilised...and how so that I can try similar. Hope you can offer me some reassurance. I thought I was doing so well and then horrible flare up!!
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Hi linfit, the post you have quoted is from 2008 and I have not seen slightlybonkers on the forum since I have been here. Didn't want you to feel disappointed if you didn't get a response.
When I get a flare up on vagifem I do a 14 night reload and I know several of the other ladies do the same. Hope that helps :)
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Hi linfit, the post you have quoted is from 2008 and I have not seen slightlybonkers on the forum since I have been here. Didn't want you to feel disappointed if you didn't get a response.
When I get a flare up on vagifem I do a 14 night reload and I know several of the other ladies do the same. Hope that helps :)
Thanks for that, appreciate it. I am worried that I have been using too much Vagifem...the main problem I have is stinging and burning on the outside. I can't seem to tolerate Ovestin...had this flare up about 2 weeks now, it's driving me nuts.
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I can't tolerate Ovestin either, it is too strong and contains some harsh additives. I use 0.01% estriol cream (the generic form of gynest cream) externally and vagifem internally and this keeps inside and outside comfortable.
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Hi linfit, the post you have quoted is from 2008 and I have not seen slightlybonkers on the forum since I have been here. Didn't want you to feel disappointed if you didn't get a response.
When I get a flare up on vagifem I do a 14 night reload and I know several of the other ladies do the same. Hope that helps :)
Thanks for that, appreciate it. I am worried that I have been using too much Vagifem...the main problem I have is stinging and burning on the outside. I can't seem to tolerate Ovestin...had this flare up about 2 weeks now, it's driving me nuts.
I use 1 every night and i too get flare ups i just carry on and drink loads of water
It can last 48hr or 3 weeks but it does go eventually .
Oh and my privates have shrunk to prepubescent i look like ive had a complete labiaplasty
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Vagrenew ... Anyone tried this estrogen cream for vaginal dryness?
I believe it is made in the USA ...
http://gagephytolabs.com/vagrenew/
Thanks
Rebecca
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Hi all
Quick resume! I am 59 and have been experiencing vaginal dryness/soreness/itching for about 9 mths. The GP gave me a course of Vagifem that made me feel normal again and not having to think about my nether regions all day, every day. When the course had finished I was OK for about 2 weeks then the symptoms started to return. I had read on here that you can use vagifem long term using once or twice a week. I went back to the GP but it was another dr. She told me she couldn't keep prescribing this long term and wants to refer me to a gynae at the hospital. I have a horror of hospitals and really don't want to go. Do I really need to? The other question and slightly embarrassing one (thank goodness for this forum !) is my inner lips seem to have shrunk/morphed into my outer ones! Is this part of the atrophy thing?? Sorry if it's too much info lol
Pat
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By the way on the original visit my GP did examine me and said everything was ok but I looked dry and a bit red/sore just inside OUCH ...!
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Your GP don't know nowt! Have a read on here about the various vaginal atrophy threads.
Give your surgery a ring and explain that a GP can prescribe long-term Vagifem or Ovestin1mg - both are used every night for 2 weeks followed by 'as necessary', usually every 4th and 7th night is enough. You do not need to be seen by a Gyane! If you have a local Pharmacist, have a chat with him/her they usually have private rooms now.
Nowt is too much info on here, and yep, labia can fuse together or disappear :o
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Shame on your GP! I agree you absolutely do not need to be referred to a hospital to take the normal dose of local oestrogen. Go back to a different GP in the practice!
Some docs like to refer women if the standard doses do not do the job and keep VA at bay - but many feel able to increase even the standard dose without referral.
I suggest you look up the NICE Guidelines (follow links from website Home Page) and look at recommendations for vaginal atrophy or similar name given to it! Also read this section which tells you it can be used long term. Your doc should know this! https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/dryness.php
Hurdity x
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Hi Hurdity
As you see on my other post, the 2nd GP at my practice who I have been seeing for 35 years has also said I have to keep the hospital appt before she will prescribe vagifem. When I questioned it she said better to go there for 1 outpatient appt than end up with uterine cancer. She got a bit shirty when I said I had read (on here) lots of women take it long term and it is prescribed by their GP :-\
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Just realised this is an old thread ,sorry
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That doesn't matter - it's a sticky from Dr Currie so do join in.
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I am a divorced 61 year old woman. I had gone two years without having sex when I met a man and we wanted to have a sexual relationship. My Dr. prescribed Estrace (Estrogen vaginal cream). It seemed to work fine. We broke up months later. Now I am in another relationship. We waited six months before starting a sexual relationship. Since we have been having sex (I'm still using Estrace) I'm finding myself a little more dry, but still able to have satisfying intercourse. He has now complained twice that I am too dry and it is causing a lot of discomfort for him. I know I should not take this personally, but it is affecting my self-esteem. I am not sure why the Estrace worked with the other man, but does not seem to be working with this man. I have always had problems with my self-esteem (my body image has also changed since menopause). Now I am hesitant to have sex with him again.
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I have used a good lubricant for sex for many years - I think it's really essential. I use Durex Extra Glide. The oestrogen treatments can only do so much and many women use vaginal Moisturisers as well e.g. SYLK - alongside the oestrogen treatments but don't use these at the same time. DG x
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I have been prescibed Vagifem, but find it seems to leak down, i do use as instructed but still seem to have some leakage of it
Anyone else on Vagifem found this?
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Following on from my last post, i now seem to have thrush, as very itchy, i have recently started using panty liners since having the leakage, so could it be a reaction to those maybe?
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If you're using perfumed liners, maybe. Otherwise it's probably all part of the vaginal problems which meant you're on vagifem. You didn't say what the leakage was - is it dissolved pessary? Clear?
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What goes up has to come down? If the product is working then the vagina will become more moist so excess will run out. Which is why many ladies use it at night time. If it's true atrophy one will need treatment for Life. (read our appropriate threads?)
Kodell: do have a read round the Forum. At least your partner can talk to you about his needs too. Surely that's the basis of a good relationship, being able to discuss without feeling it's about 'you' or about 'the partner'? There is a spiel on here somewhere to hand to the men ;-) which explains menopause.
Panty liners can cause infections .......... either by trapping any leakage which can encourage too much moisture which bugs love or by drying out 'down there'.
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The leakage looks like dissolved pessary, but also seemed to have a bit of creamy looking discharge,[sorry tmi]
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At risk of TMI - we used to have natural lubrication and it sounds like the pessary is working! I wouldn't worry unless you think it might be thrush.
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Its the itchiness, not terrible, but i have left the panty liners off, but looking at Livial side effects they can cause itchiness and thrush too,
I will just watch and wait for a whle i think
Thanks for replies
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jaycee - use LIVE yoghurt - eaten and applied into the vagina - obviously keeping the pots separate ;-). Helps keep the whole digestive system healthy. Eat large spoonfuls of Greek live yoghurt for 5-6 days ........ applying it is cooling. Nothing is too much info.!
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Thank you will try the live yoghurt, heard of this before,i do have some thrush cream from when i had a UTI so using that just now
Also on Livial, and it can cause thrush too,it says in leaflet
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I'm itchy at the moment - got too hot in tight trousers yesterday and this always triggers this. I'm using the Multi Gyn Actigel to sort this when I get these symptoms - it's very soothing, though it can burn a bit at first. Multi Gyn rebalances the vaginal flora so bacteria and thrush can't thrive and I find I don't need to use the thrush creams that I find very irritating to my ‘lady bits'.
I use SYLK everyday as well - fab stuff to keep things healthy and moisturised. Dg x
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Hi Dancing girl,someone else mentioned the Multi Gyn too where can i get this from? it is very annoying isnt it? you get something for one complaint and it causes another,
I have some cream for thrush but it does burn a bit
Do you use the sylk instead of or as well as something like vagifem?and can it be bought or on prescription?
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jaycee - I get the Multi Gyn Actigel though a 'well known' shopping website! I also buy the SYLK in bulk from them as well.
I use Sylk at least once a day after showering and if I feel that thrush or BV is brewing (so feel itchy or sore) then I use Multi Gyn 2-3 times a day until things are better. You can use both together - you just mustn't use these things at the same time as oestrogen creams as they will form a barrier that will stop the oestrogen absorbing. Dg x
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Thank you will have a look at that website :)
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I am a divorced 61 year old woman. I had gone two years without having sex when I met a man and we wanted to have a sexual relationship. My Dr. prescribed Estrace (Estrogen vaginal cream). It seemed to work fine. We broke up months later. Now I am in another relationship. We waited six months before starting a sexual relationship. Since we have been having sex (I'm still using Estrace) I'm finding myself a little more dry, but still able to have satisfying intercourse. He has now complained twice that I am too dry and it is causing a lot of discomfort for him. I know I should not take this personally, but it is affecting my self-esteem. I am not sure why the Estrace worked with the other man, but does not seem to be working with this man. I have always had problems with my self-esteem (my body image has also changed since menopause). Now I am hesitant to have sex with him again.
Men too self lubrucate droplets of semenial fluid as they you know in out etc.
As they get older they too dry up. So it might not be just you pet.x
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I found the HRT patches Estradot improved the vaginal dryness within 1 week for me. However, I had to find the balance of dosage, as 50mcg was too low and the 75 just right.
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What an amazing forum!!
I had an extremely early menopause at the age of 22. I was on HRT for many years but came off it 3 years ago at age 42. But was put back on it 1 week ago on my GP's advice.
I hadn't been sexually active for 10 years, fast forward to this year when I met my now current and adorable partner and am now active in that department, well trying to be! This however is where the problems start. Intercourse is extremely painful and I tear. It then hurts for a few days til I heal. Added to that I am having recurring bouts of cystitis. Infact I feel as though it's always there low grade in the background. I'm also getting the itching just by the vaginal opening, well the inner lips there....
Anyway, I tried Vagifem but this wasn't enough. I'm now on Estriol cream every other night and have started using Sylk each day. I've tried YesYesYes lubes which are ok but I literally have to use copious amounts.
I'm at the point of exhaustion in my efforts to try to have a normal sex life again and really don't know what more to do. I've been to see a gynaecologist but she was pretty useless and just said my opening was sufficient enough and that I just needed to relax more!
I'm now waiting to see the Urologist too as the last bout a few weeks ago I was actually seeing blood and was in tears.
Any advice gratefully received, I feel like I'm sub standard as a woman. My partner is amazing and is helping with this but I feel robbed almost of what I should have experienced had I not of gone into such early menopause 🙁
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Hi there KnittyKnotty,
I'm so sorry you are having such a hard time. It's awful and unfortunately only all too common.
Here is what I have gleaned from lots of reading on this subject, and I'm sure others will be along with sensible advice. This forum is a life-saver.
Basically as you probably know what is happening is because the tissues are starved of estrogen; this will take a while to redress. It is good that you have gone back on HRT. The VA - these days often called "Genito Urinary Syndrome of Menopause" because it affects both systems - can take a good while to get better, even after you start with systemic HRT. Also, you may need to play around with different HRTs a bit, til you find which one works best for you, but you probably know that already, as you went into menopause so early. The systemic HRT will help the VA, but it could take a while.
In addition to the systemic HRT it is usually essential to do something local, which you are doing. Vagifem will only help the tissues inside the vagina, and often is not enough for the outside bits and for the urethra, so you get cystitis or feel like you have cystitis and because these outside bits and the urethra aren't getting enough estrogen you can also get slight bleeding and miscrocopic blood in the urine. Once the walls of the urethra start getting enough estrogen, cystitis will be a thing of the past.
When you switched from Vagifem to Estriol, did you use Estriol every night at first and then reduce it gradually? Are you using it both on outside as well as on the inside ?
I was told by my specialist to try Vagifem inside, as often as 5 nights or even 7 nights a week, combined with Estriol for the outer bits, starting with 14 days continuously and then tapering down the cream to every other night or twice a week while continuing with the Vagifem indefinitely.
You might also want to consider one of the laser procedures that treat VA by stimulating your own tissues to increase collagen production where it is needed. The Mona Lisa procedure is the most commonly done but the Intimilase or Renovalase lasers are pain-free and I believe available in the UK and very widely available in Italy, France and Spain. I thought they sounded crazy when I first heard of them but I have seen so many reports by women saying these are life-changing procedures that I think it is very worth looking into. Its 3 sesssions 6 weeks apart followed by a touch up once a year after that. Its not cheap, but then, this is misery.
The urologist will probably want to do a cystoscopy, they usually do, and thats not unreasonable when a patient presents with blood in the urine. I would suggest however that you give the HRT and the local estrogens a chance to work first and if you get better and the blood in the urine disappears, then you wont need to. Don't expect the urologist to know anything about estrogen and the urethra or the bladder, you would think they should, but they almost never do. Ditto most gynecologists.
Good luck
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KK - thank you so much for such a lovely post!
I've never heard of the laser treatments so will definitely look into them!
k x
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As per KKAY .....I have had Mona Lisa Treatment I needed 3 internally and 5 externally treatment wise , and it has worked really well.
I use systemic HRT and the estring which stays in 24/7 for 3 months at a time, I use YES oil based twice aday massaged in.
It's a hideous tedious condition , that doesn't get better and can only be managed .....NEVER stop treatment as it will come back with a vengeance.
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I just don't bother having sex, 1- it hurts, 2 cant be arsed coz no sex drive. And a house full of teenagers , never get time on our own , but mainly I just can't b arsed to do it
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Forgot what's it's called but used 2 rounds (9
months apart) of the HRT pessary......it was amazing! Not needed it again!
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Jachug - if you used Vagifem - which I suspect you did - it's best to keep using it on a regular basis to help maintain healthy ‘lady bits' and prevent urogenital atrophy progressing.
Zodiac - pop to the GP and ask for some Vagifem oestrogen pessaries and also some vaginal moisturiser to use in between Vagifem doses e.g. SYLK or the YES products. Whether you have sex or not, these things help to reduce urogenital atrophy and make everything more healthy and comfortable. I find Durex Perfect Glide really good when having sex but Durex are now doing a water based ‘all natural' lubricant as well - not tried this yet.
There is no need to suffer in silence - the treatment is out there and should really be offered to every women when meno starts to help prevent future problems. THE Vagifem is ultra low dose so no risks involved - THERE IS SO MUCH TO GAIN.
DG x
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What an amazing forum!!
I had an extremely early menopause at the age of 22. I was on HRT for many years but came off it 3 years ago at age 42. But was put back on it 1 week ago on my GP's advice.
I hadn't been sexually active for 10 years, fast forward to this year when I met my now current and adorable partner and am now active in that department, well trying to be! This however is where the problems start. Intercourse is extremely painful and I tear. It then hurts for a few days til I heal. Added to that I am having recurring bouts of cystitis. Infact I feel as though it's always there low grade in the background. I'm also getting the itching just by the vaginal opening, well the inner lips there....
Anyway, I tried Vagifem but this wasn't enough. I'm now on Estriol cream every other night and have started using Sylk each day. I've tried YesYesYes lubes which are ok but I literally have to use copious amounts.
I'm at the point of exhaustion in my efforts to try to have a normal sex life again and really don't know what more to do. I've been to see a gynaecologist but she was pretty useless and just said my opening was sufficient enough and that I just needed to relax more!
I'm now waiting to see the Urologist too as the last bout a few weeks ago I was actually seeing blood and was in tears.
Any advice gratefully received, I feel like I'm sub standard as a woman. My partner is amazing and is helping with this but I feel robbed almost of what I should have experienced had I not of gone into such early menopause 🙁
I have suffered with Cystitis since I was 14.... now approaching 57. I found out about a product Waterfall d-mannose and it has been a life saver. It is expensive but as we all now when that constant need a wee kicks and stops us doing things its not so expensive.
I always buy it from Sweet Cures website as tried other cheaper products that didnt work as well.
I started HRT about 5 years ago but never had that wow "I feel wonderful" and about 3 yeas ago gave up and came off it.
Was so tired, low mood and the Vaginal soreness and hot flushes are awful. Hubby said to me on holiday, you deserve a medal you have tried everything, homeopathy, supplements and even the magnet in my pants!! Think you need proper help so I have paid to see private HRT Menopause Consultant.
She took one look at me and put me on Evoril patches and Progynova. Had internal and said I had to use Vagifem 2 pessaries a night for a month as very bad way!!! Just had a phone follow up after 2 1/2 weeks only very slightly better mood. going to change the patches for tablet.
Fingers crossed.
So interesting to read everyone's input and grateful to all who have shared their info.
thanks
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Hi all,
Wanted a little advice on vaginal HRT creams please if i may? I think my HRT regime is mostly working well(Utrogestan?Estradiol) apart from the odd strangely timed 'period'. I'm happy with that but struggling with dryness and itching down below. I want to ask my GP about a cream and had a few questions which may have been answered previously but cant find them.
Is it okay to take a HRT vaginal cream when I'm already on the above?
Is it safe to have sex while the cream is in? ie no effects for hubby?
Are there any creams preferable to others?
I would prefer a cream to tablets or a ring.
Would be very grateful of any help please :)
jg xx
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Hi Jedigirl
Why do you want a cream instead of the Vagifem pessary - the Vagifem is less hassle and less messy and takes the oestrogen to where it is needed. The creams gave me a burning sensation but many women like them - Ovestin is probably the least messy as it is more concentrated. You only use the local oestrogen every day for the first 2 weeks and then after that you use it 2-3 times a week. Most women should use local oestrogen for the rest of their lives.
Many women need both systemic and local oestrogen so it's fine to use both - see NICE guideline below...
Do not have sex too soon after using the oestrogen treatment - probably best to leave roughly 4-6 hours after using any local oestrogen treatment.
It's also a good idea to use vaginal moisturisers as well but not at the same time as local oestrogen treatment or this may effect absorption. Perhaps use local oestrogen at night and moisturiser in the morning. SYLK or the YES products are best and if you feel itchy and sore, or think BV or thrush has taken hold, then having some Multi Gyn ACtigel to use for a couple of days will do the trick.
Do use plenty of lubricant for sex as well - Durex 'Perfect Glide' is fab.
Here is the section from the NICE guidelines on urogenital treatment:
Urogenital atrophy
1.4.9
Offer vaginal oestrogen to women with urogenital atrophy (including those on systemic HRT) and continue treatment for as long as needed to relieve symptoms.
1.4.10
Consider vaginal oestrogen for women with urogenital atrophy in whom systemic HRT is contraindicated, after seeking advice from a healthcare professional with expertise in menopause.
1.4.11
If vaginal oestrogen does not relieve symptoms of urogenital atrophy, consider increasing the dose after seeking advice from a healthcare professional with expertise in menopause.
1.4.12
Explain to women with urogenital atrophy that:
symptoms often come back when treatment is stopped
adverse effects from vaginal oestrogen are very rare
they should report unscheduled vaginal bleeding to their GP.
1.4.13
Advise women with vaginal dryness that moisturisers and lubricants can be used alone or in addition to vaginal oestrogen.
1.4.14
Do not offer routine monitoring of endometrial thickness during treatment for urogenital atrophy.
DG x
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Hi
I am new to this forum and would really appreciate some help.
I'm 47 and a few weeks ago whilst on holiday I started with severe vaginal itching. I did not even consider menopause so treated it as thrush. This did not clear and when I returned from holiday I visited the nurse practitioner who is supposed to be a menopause expert within the practice.
She prescribed Replens and said I had quite bad vaginal atrophy. This was 2 weeks ago. Since then I have had a couple of good days, several days where it has been manageable and several days of total discomfort where it seems to control me.
I am not sleeping as it is waking me at night, I can not concentrate to work and I am very irritable and snappy.
I have tried baking soda baths which work until I get out of the bath! I have tried cotton underwear and loose fitting clothes. I have a very good diet but am wondering if there is any food that I should avoid. I have introduced more foods that are supposed to help boost estrogen levels but nothing seems to be working.
I have an under active thyroid which I am on medication for and there is a history of osteoporosis in my family(my mum).
I do not have any other typical symptoms but for a few years have had itchy skin (I have had blood tests whihc have all come back normal), the areas that are the worst are ears, scalp, neck, chest and wrists. This is not all the time, maybe twice a week. Is this a symptom?
I am currently taking the Cerelle contraceptive pill and have done for many years. Over the last 12 months my periods have been very irratic. At the moment I seem to bleed for a couple of days a month.
Other than that I'm fit, well and very active and really do not want this to change my way of life or mental health and am looking for solutions with long term benefits so I can live my life normally.
I hope you can help.
Kind regards
Rubyjo
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Local Oestrogen ( Vagifem) and vaginal moisturisers eg SYLK or the YES products will sort things. Pop to the GP for a prescription of Vagifem - most of us will stay on this for the rest of our lives. Look at the ‘Burning Club' in personal lives thread for more info. DG x
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I'm going through my first bout of this (I'm 59), with soreness & aches outside and in. Sitting on hard surfaces isn't very comfortable - and I have to sit on a polished wooden bench to play the organ -ouch! I've got a GP appointment in a few days' time. :-\
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Soldiered on for years and years with it.... burning, itching splitting skin etc couldn't take it anymore so went to see a menopause GP. Got diagnosed with LS and prescribed dermovate and vaginal estriol which I've had an amazing response to within a matter of weeks! Why have I left it so long?? I'm 64 and my vagina has been given a new lease of life! There was no way I could even consider a relationship with the state I was in the estriol has been life changing for me! I also have HSDD and been prescribed Tostran which I'm going to use as well see if that makes a difference to my life as well! ::)
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Hi Loo53
I've just seen your post and wondered how you got your doctor to prescribe Esterol cream. I am 47 and have severe external vaginal itching. My GP prescribed Vagifem and said she wouldn't prescribe both. I feel as the itching is external the cream may be better. I am also on steroid cream.
Any suggestions as to how I can get this under control will be most helpful.
Rubyjo
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Vagifem will help the while urogenital area including the external area but many women like to use extra osteogen in a cream form to an poly externally. You mention in your other post that you are going to see a specialist privately and hopefully they will offer the cream as well.
It does take time for any local oestrogen to work its magic I'm aftaid. In your case it is the sudden and rather extreme onset of this itching that is a bit of a mystery and if it is LS a proper diagnosis is needed.
DG x
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Hi Dancinggirl
I have an appointment with a specialist on Friday :)
Hopefully this will confirm exactly what's going on!
Thanks for your help so far.
Rubyjo
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Hi all
Up until today I have had an improvement with itching during the day time but horrendous at night. I'm only getting around 2-3 hours sleep per night as the itching is driving me crazy!
I am trying ice packs/frozen peas and also the coconut oil in addition to the Vagifem which is now day 10. Has anyone got any advice for coping at night please?
I am seeing a specialist tomorrow.
Kind regards
Rubyjo
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Hi All
Also has anyone used Isogenix products for weight loss? They are a protein shake that contain lots of vitamins too. I have been taking these for a couple of months and am just wondering if they could be causing / making the symptoms worse. I would not think so as I know people who take them during the menopause but I'm just searching for answers...
Thanks
Rubyjo
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Your issues are unlikely to have anything to do with your diet I'm afraid. Let us know how you get on with the specialist. DG x
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Hi Dancinggirl, I pretty much knew that but sometimes you clutch at straws and I'm examining anything that I have recently!
I'll let you know how I get on.
Thanks Rubyjo x
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I have used a good lubricant for sex for many years - I think it's really essential. I use Durex Extra Glide. The oestrogen treatments can only do so much and many women use vaginal Moisturisers as well e.g. SYLK - alongside the oestrogen treatments but don't use these at the same time. DG x
Dancinggirl, I have just read your post above and wondered if you could answer a question as I have been using Vagifem and SYLK at the same time. Is this wrong and if so why please?
What do you advise.
Thanks Rubyjo x
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Hi Ruby - sorry I didn't respond sooner - my dog has been ill!!!!
It is advised not to use vaginal moisturisers at the same time as the oestrogen treatments as the moisturisers form a barrier and this could effect the absorption of the oestrogen. So I always say, on the nights you use the Vagifem use the SYLK in the morning. Although what I do is just use a bit of SYLK on the external area, as the Vagifem is going up inside the vagina - the nights I'm not using Vagifem I push the SYLK right up inside. Hope that makes sense
DG x
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Hi Dancinggirl
Went to see the menopause specialist today who said she doesn't think it's the menopause that's causing it. She said my skin does not look atrophic. She got a gynecologist to see in at the same time who thinks it's either Lichen sclerosus or a very severe inflammatory reaction.
So she gave me dermovate ointment and instagell which has a local anaesthetic in it to numb the area while hopefully the dermovate ointment works.
I have to go see her again in two weeks and if there is no improvement she will organise for me to have a biopsy.
Are there any links to this condition on here?
Hopefully I'm getting somewhere and may get some sleep as I've been operating on about two hours per night!
Hope your dog is better.
Rubyjo x
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I'm not sure about other links on this site but do keep us posted. Anything to do with our intimate area is so distressing. I hope things settle for you.
£600 later, we are still not clear as to why our dog is throwing up so much, except they said his small intestine is rather gunged up!!! Apparently lots of low fat foods for a while and it will hopefully flush through!!! It's been very worrying. DG x
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Oh no the poor thing. Hope he's better soon.
I will keep you posted on my progress.
Thanks for your help.
Rubyjo x
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Well I'm slightly flustered on account of a visit to my GP. I was getting test results, which fortunately came back clear but she was running 15 minutes late. (I think I was the first in the afternoon ???) And I'm teaching this afternoon, in precisely forty minutes' time. Never mind, at least I got a prescription for Vagifem from her, which should make life a bit easier.
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Somewhere on this thread, I saw something about it being safe for people who can't take HRT to use Vagifem, but I can't find it anywhere. Although I've been prescribed Vagifem, at my request, I just want to be sure that it's completely safe for me to use before I start taking it. I've never taken HRT because of my family history (my Mum) of BC. The GP said something about it when I saw her today but I was feeling a bit anxious and it didn't go in, so can anyone advise me, please?
Thanks, Dulciana x
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Dulciana, Vagifem only acts locally and is not absorbed systemically, so as far as I am aware it should be safe for you. People are often told it is equivalent to one HRT tablet per year.
JP x
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Thanks, Joaniepat.
:thankyou:
D.
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Hi there Dr Currie.
At first vaginal dryness didn't bother me, I just thought; oh well its all part of being a woman, heading into my menopause, however when I tried having intercourse that was when i realised just how dry dry was!! I stopped indulging in that department with my partner or 12yrs after much trial and tribulation, couldn't handle the pain.
Moving on, got myself sorted with HRT, this improved the dryness not entirely but there was some progress; then the itching: OMG it just won't stop. I have tried pessaries, replens and nothing seemed to work. it got so bad that i would walk around with a nail brush in my bag so i could clean my nails after a long and hard scratch as this would cause bleeding. Due to the dryness it would cause the itch and i would scratch the itch, nothing would help. I mentioned this to my Gp and also informed her of my use of Eumovate pointing out that it was the only thing that gave me relief even though I know that it thins the skin. My Gp has told me to continue with this if it helps, she has even prescribed Betnovate for me: which i have not touched as I am fully aware of how potent a steroid atopical cream it is!
Now I'm not saying that Eumovate is any better as I know it is not but I'm at my wits end with this vagina of mine I don't know what else to do with it. the Eumovate gives me relief for a few days 4 at the most but then the itching starts again which means reapplying.
I was told that the itching would stop once my oestrogen levels normalised but I have been on oestrogen and Progesterone since November 2017 and Testosterone from early June this year 2018.
Any advice, suggestions are greatly accepted.
Thanks in advance
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Hi and welcome Bertha
You need local oestrogen e.g. Vagifem, and vaginal moisturisers - Most of us use SYLK or the YES moisturisers.
Systemic HRT is often not enough to help urogenital atrophy and the NICE guidelines give clear advice on treatment.
Avoid anything scented around your intimate area and wear loose clothing.
DG x
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Thanks Dancingirl.
Can I get these products on the NHS? My reason for asking is because I have a PPC which covers me for 3months otherwise the prescription payments can really add up!
Nevertheless I'll broach the subject with my Gp whom I'll be seeing on the 23rd, no doubt she will probably completely ignore my requests and discuss whatever she feels is necessary but I'll still approach the subject.
If I can't get anything constructive from my GP then I'll purchase it myself if possible. This scratching the itch is beyond a joke now.
Having a flush right Now, time for a little meditation
Thanks again dancingirl. Xx
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Hi Bertha
Do stop using Eumovate as this could well make things worse. Have your tried a bit of coconut oil? this is a natural moisturiser and may sooth things.
Here is a link to the section on this site that shows all the treatment for urogenital atrophy:
https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/local.php Urogenital atrophy
Here is the section from the NICE guidelines on treating urogenital atrophy:
Urogenital atrophy
1.4.9
Offer vaginal oestrogen to women with urogenital atrophy (including those on systemic HRT) and continue treatment for as long as needed to relieve symptoms.
1.4.10
Consider vaginal oestrogen for women with urogenital atrophy in whom systemic HRT is contraindicated, after seeking advice from a healthcare professional with expertise in menopause.
1.4.11
If vaginal oestrogen does not relieve symptoms of urogenital atrophy, consider increasing the dose after seeking advice from a healthcare professional with expertise in menopause.
1.4.12
Explain to women with urogenital atrophy that:
symptoms often come back when treatment is stopped
adverse effects from vaginal oestrogen are very rare
they should report unscheduled vaginal bleeding to their GP.
1.4.13
Advise women with vaginal dryness that moisturisers and lubricants can be used alone or in addition to vaginal oestrogen.
1.4.14
Do not offer routine monitoring of endometrial thickness during treatment for urogenital atrophy.
Print off all this information to show you GP
All oestrogen treatments have to be by prescription but the moisturisers aren't always available on prescription as this depends on the health authority but it's well worth asking for SYLK or the YES products. You can buy all intimate moisturisers online. Many women do not get on with Repens very well.
If you print this off with information on the NICE guidelines, then this should help you persuade your GP to address your problems a bit better. I would write down all the your symptoms and questions and actually show these to the GP, as I find this makes them address the issues I want sorted. Cortisone creams are really not a good idea if you have atrophy as it could make things worse.
Has Lichen Schlerosis been ruled out or any other skin condition? Has your GP actually examined you to see how raw and sore you are? Have swobs been taken to see if there is bacteria or thrush present as this could cause the itchiness. It can be a vicious cycle with itching - the more you itch, the worse it gets. If there is a bacterial infection (often emerges when menopause hits) then this will cause itchiness. I use Multi Gyn Actigel (available online but not on prescription) if I get itchy, as this will treat and prevent bacterial vaginitis better than antibiotics - it can sting at first but is then quite soothing. You shouldn't use Multi Gyn too much though as it is rather acidic and is only designed to restore the flora balance and help the body fight the infections - vaginal moisturisers and Vagifem help to maintain a healthy environment.
Antibiotics will kill all the good bacteria in the gut and this can then cause more vaginal infections. Cortisone creams will thin the skin and can result in things getting worse - also the more you use it the more you need!!!
Do clean really well after opening your bowels as this is often how bacteria gets to the vagina.
It is a minefield and its about managing your whole urogenital area. Avoid alcohol, caffein and fruit juices as these are all irritants. Cut out as much sugar as possible.
I think a referral to a gynae to have things properly examined and advice given is possibly a good idea.
Good luck. DG x
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Hi Dancinggirl.
Thanks for all the information, really appreciate it.
I have been examined by my GP regarding the itch, her response was 'I can see you've had a real go at It'!
I have also seen a skin specialist who wanted to take a biopsy but I couldn't go through with it; the thought of a chunk of my vagina being removed didn't sit well with me. No thrush!
I told my Gynaecologist everything regarding the lower regions, she has not yet examined me, I believe this could be due to my last 2 appointments being stressed, tearful, overwhelmed and anxious. I think she just wanted to get my HRT in order as I was a complete wreck; not so bad now but like I said the itching is something I can't seem to stop myself from doing unless the eumovate comes out.
I will mention it again to my Gynaecologist when I see her next in September, in the meantime I will do whatever I can to not apply the steroid cream but it's a difficult one cause all I'm after is some relief.
Thanks again Dancinggirl.
Gonna check out the info you sent me. Xx
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Hey Dancinggirl
Checked out the link you forwarded to me; I forgot to mention that I did try Ovestim as well; I believe that was stopped because the Gynaecologist thought that my HRT was being changed so I wouldn't have the itch anymore and that things would settledown, however, that was not the case and Ovestin did actually give me some relief, i think i just didnt have enough time on it for my body to regulate so I will mention it to her again.
I have never been checked out for LS, I looked at some images and sadly it looks pretty familiar :( I will broach the subject with both GP and Gynaecologist on my next visit.
I'm guessing that the end result may well mean that I have to have this biopsy that the dermatologist suggested :'(
Cross that bridge when I get to it.
My sleep is also annoying me, or should I say, my flushes annoy me as this causes me to rouse from my sleep, sweaty and restless. Another thing for me to look into; FLUSHES >:(
Sleepy now and would like to drop off but i can hear mum calling out downstairs now. She has Dementia!!!
All fun and games here :-\
Thanks dancing girl. X
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Hi Bertha,
You might find this interesting about LS, and it could even help you:
https://www.yesyesyes.org/lichen-sclerosus/
Good luck! :)
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Thanks Jenna,
Dancinggirl did recommend the same product :)
I intend to purchase it ASAP!
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You're very welcome, Bertha. The water-based 'Yes' is actually available on prescription, so that's even better!
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Excellent, Jenna; can't thank you, dancinggirl and this site enough!
Good to know there's always an ear hearing what your saying :)
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Hi Bertha, I do wish that GPs would realise that localised HRT in the vagina doesn't need to be stopped if one alters any other medications! They really don't get vaginal atrophy do they!
Have a read of the various VA threads, i.e. "My Bladder etc." - make notes.
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Hi CLKD
No they don't get it!
My partner keeps asking me what it is that I expect from my GP; as they're really no more clued up than we are (as he put it) they're just everyday people like you or I only their job title makes you think they should be more aware!
He's probably right but I am entitled to some form of care regarding my health as far as I'm concerned and if your job is within the care field then some standard of care should be delivered when your in clinic/on duty, supposedly playing your role, doing your job; or maybe a change of career!
I just wish my GP would listen to me sometimes and not rush me out the door with a script.
They open up a Mims book or go on Google to try and find a diagnosis for your symptoms, I could do that myself especially if I had access to a Mims.
Sorry about the little rant there, i am flushing, anxious and fatigued, can't have a glass of wine, just makes the flushes worse :-\
My Gp is not even worth discussing.
Gonna have a look at that link you sent me.
Appreciated CLKD.
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I have just started using Estriol cream as i was at my wits end. Thought that i had managed to escape vaginal dryness but when intercourse became uncomfortable i knew i had not. I felt like i was going to rip on entry and a soreness on friction :'( . Anyway trying this out to see if any difference, been on it a week so will keep you posted if any improvement. I am now 60 and i thought that all would settle down but it feels like you have good days and bad, is this it now for life ????
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jgr - usually vaginal atrophy treatment is for ever. The area needs moisture replaced in order for the skin not to thin and itch.
Bertha - your partner is Oh So WRONG! let's hope that he never needs assistance from the NHS. When I go to the GP I expect to be listened to and I have to admit, I never feel rushed in our Surgery environment. I expect that my request/s are respected. If I don't get what I think I need I go back a couple of weeks later, "I probably wasn't listening last time so could we go through X, Y, Z " - I have to remember that my GP may have given bad news to the previous patient or been up all night. That opens up the next conversation .....
You rant!
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Hi jgr
Do keep me posted, let me know of any improvements if any. In the meantime I'm gonna try the yes water based product that was recommended Got a appointment with GP on monday.
Don't get me wrong jgr, my partner appreciates the, NHS, they saved his life in 2010 (2broken legs, blood clot on lungs!)he does nothing but sing their praises; it's GPs that he has no time for, and I do understand why.
Some people are fortunate to have the same GP for years who gives the patient the time they deserve, allows you to speak listens to what you have tp sau allows you to express yourself; others like myself have GPs who just rush you in and out the door as quickly as possible, not listening to you, speaking over you and asking you to diagnose yourself when they're supposed to be the doctor.
I guess your one of the lucky ones jgr and good for you, I'm thinking of changing mine soon as I get the chance.
Keep me posted. X
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Hello I'm a new bod to the forum.....
So, after a minor battle with my Dr regarding the Amitriplyne which he prescribed to help with the night sweats (and subsequently finding out it was my latex topped mattress which was making the situation a whole lot worse) my husband & I went to see him to discuss my lack of sex drive and pain/bleeding during intercourse. He insisted that the amitriplyne wasn't a problem even though I have put on 2 stone, and he didn't bother to examine me regarding the pain/bleeding...he told me that I needed to have a bottle of wine and relax, and then told me I needed pysco sexual counselling...hmmmm!!
Months down the line where it become unbearable to have intercourse & after waiting a month for an appointment for a female Dr, I have been diagnosed with VA.
She has prescribed Estirol which seems to be starting to work (after a swift road test).
My concerns are that I've never had children due to endometriosis and the paperwork says to 'take special care' if you've suffered with this. I'm not sure what 'special care' is as it doesn't go on to say what you should be looking for?? I'd hate to be all lovely and silky down below and then find out that it has created another problem! Any help would be great!
Also, can you put the cream in after intercourse? Assume that it will still work?
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Hi ladies,
I've recently been diagnosed with POF and started on 50mg patch and now on the 75mg eastradol! However I've recently started having problems down below and wondering if this does sound like vaginal atrophy! Pain in the vag area with my Labia getting sore when I wear pants. Have had slight bleeding once from my urethra and so sore when I pre. Have continious urgency to pee and pressure up to my belly button. I have been checked for a UTI and not thus. I know k can ask for vagifem but what the external cream I ask my GP for if it is this?
TIA x :-* :-*
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Hi and welcome to mm
I had POF and developed urogenital atrophy in my early 40s despite being in systemic HRT. The UTI type symptoms are a typical symptom of atrophy.
You need Vagifem which is on prescription from your doctor and vaginal moisturisers which are best bought online - SYLK or the YES products are the best.
I found that local oestrogen creams burned my urethra so I prefer to use Vagifem. The moisturisers help
To keep things healthy as well.
Avoid caffiene, fruit juices and alcohol but drink lots if water. If your urethra is burning then try drinking a glasss if water with half a teaspoon of bicarbonate of soda in it morning and evening for 2-3 days. DG x
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Do read the various threads on vaginal atrophy. DG gives good advice.
Browse round. Mrsdude - your GP needs a :kick: what on Earth did your husband think! Maybe a chat with your Practice Nurse?
If you like, the product can be used in the morning though gravity might mean it leaks ::).
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Thank you so much for you're reply ladies. I have an appointment tomorrow to See GP so I will ask him then! I've been having period like cramps to but I don't know.if it's all related. I'm new to all this just been diagnosed in Jan and I've only just turned 33 and it's not helping that I'm googling everything! I am being sent for an vaginal ultrasound due to spotting but I have a feeling it may be due to atrophy instead.
Thanks again :-*
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Hi Almacfarlane - what progesterone are you using? Are you on a continuous or sequential HRT regime? Some spotting and bleeding with any HRT is quite normal in the first few months.
Blood in the urine is also a sign of urogenital atrophy.
It's all pretty confusing and can be scary when you don't know what's happening with the menopause. Do read up all the info on this site to get clued up and back to us with questions so we can support you.
This site is reputable - founded by a leading NHS gynaecologist who has specialised in the menopause - so stick with this site for info right now. Your husband/partner may benefits from reading the section for husbands. DG x
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Thanks DG, so I'm in continious HRT with the merena coil. Started of in Jan with the 50mg patch and had no bleeding till I increased my patch to 75 in April and was spotting on and off for months then it settled last month untill last week when i was few hours late with my patch. Do you think I should wait till I ask for vagifem untill after my scan or will it not make a difference?
Thanks again xxx
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Not all women are bleed free with the Mirena, so some occasional bleeding or spotting is probably normal with the Mirena as part of an HRT regime. Occasional cramps is also common with any hormone treatment. Definitely use Vagifem as soon as possible - many women need local and systemic oestrogen.
As you are so young, hrt is essential and you will hopefully feel better over time as your body adjusts to the hormones and the hormones work their magic. Keep us posted.
DG x
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Hello, just a we update that I have started the vagifem. Only 4 days in and what a difference I feel on the bladder. I no longer have that pressure feeling but still up to the toilet through the night but it's still early. Getting some spotting so hope.its normal. It's also taken effect on my libido for some strange reason too which is a bonus!
Thanks for all your help DG! :-*
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Pleased things are improving. DG x
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I have VA which was managed with hrt and estriol. I've had to stop both because of post meno bleeding and the hysteroscopy was inconclusive. They want to repeat the biopsy but I don't want to go through it again. Really stuck now as I do't want the VA to get worse.
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Last November my old symptoms started to return, doctor replaced my coil but no change. Since January I have been plagued by thrush, uti’s and pain on my vulva..just one area near the opening, I have eventually been seen by a gynaecologist who has given me 1mg hrt for hot flushes etc - I was previously on 3mg a day...she also gave me vaginal hrt, aveeno cream and prescribed sylk which my gp refused to issue so instead I have replens M.D...anyways the vaginal hrt, could it be causing burning down below...? Two bouts of thrush and yet another uti in two months, anyone have any suggestions? I have considered that maybe my coil may be the route of the problem but been told no...when I was on the 3mg my symptoms disappeared for 3 years but I assume my natural levels have dropped since then causing the flare up of my symptoms...I can cope with the occasional hot flush/sweat but I’m really struggling with the constant pain/uti’s and thrush
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Hello, just a we update that I have started the vagifem. Only 4 days in and what a difference I feel on the bladder. I no longer have that pressure feeling but still up to the toilet through the night but it's still early. Getting some spotting so hope.its normal. It's also taken effect on my libido for some strange reason too which is a bonus!
Thanks for all your help DG! :-*
Hi Did this continue to improve after you completed the first 2 weeks Almacfarlane? I had similar results to you to start with but after that it has all come back again. I just don't know whether my burning now is a side effect of the Vagifem.
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I have had the urethral burning for many years and it flares up easily. The Vagifem, vaginal moisturisers, Multi Gyn Actigel, gentle feminine hygiene and careful diet, keep things comfortable most of the time but it is a constant maintenance programme.
DGx
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Is vagifem or ovestin better for atrophy and associated uti symptoms? Been suffering for weeks since coming of hrt for pmb for 3 months. Been on nightly ovestin for a week and desperate for improvement.
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Is vagifem or ovestin better for atrophy and associated uti symptoms? Been suffering for weeks since coming of hrt for pmb for 3 months. Been on nightly ovestin for a week and desperate for improvement.
Vagifem is working well for me at the moment (only started it in mid September) but I need to use it longer to decide absolutely. My test of it is partly whether it stops me getting UTI's over a period of several months at least but it has made an encouraging start. I have never tried Ovestin but Estriol cream really irritated me badly.
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Ok thanks. I'll try ovestin as I have some and see how it goes.
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How often might you use the non hormonal moisturiser a week if you used ovestin 2/3 times a week after initial 2 week every day. I assume its ok to use both?
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Use moisturiser daily but not at the same time as the oestrogen treatment. The moisturiser could prevent the absorption of the oestrogen - SO, use the oestrogen treatment before bed and then the moisturisers in the morning and during the day.
DG x
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Thanks that's a good tip. At the moment I use Boots brand moisturiser that supposed to last up to 3 days. Would that not interfere with the ovestin if I used the ovestin the next night?
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The best moisturisers are SYLK or the YES products. There was some research done by leading gynae a and these two brands were shown to be the most beneficial I believe. However Boots are good at doing products that are essentially the same as the leading brands so it could be ok. It would be good to compare the ingredients in these products - you should be able to find this info online. DG x
I find using SL everyday very beneficial - I just fit use it in the nights I've inserted the Vagifem
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Thanks. I also have sylk and Yes but not tried the Yes yet. Been feeling so much better down there since back on the ovestin. Had uti symptoms on and off for weeks since I was off hrt for three months.
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Hello everyone.. having been prescribed Vagifem years ago but deciding it wasn't really necessary at that point (doc said I needed it after battling to do a smear test) I went down the buy what I need when I need it road, so in the last 2 years I've tried almost every over the counter prep going. The best one I found was Replens, although very messy, and getting less effective by the day. But, after a bout of cystitis I went to the chemist and bought some packet medication which helped but didn't fix... pharmacist said if this doesn't do it you must see the doctor. and after a wait of 2 weeks for an appointment (very busy our docs) I now have Vagifem and antibiotics. Told doc of all my self help, and of Menopause matters, and he was amazed and delighted. Even went with a urine sample which he tested in the surgery, and said it "had everything" in it. So armed with the necessary... I'm hoping to be back to my old self very very soon...
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It's worth using Vagifem on a regular basis to help prevent trouble emerging. I'll be using it for the rest of my life. I still need SYLK intimate moisturiser every day though. I also use Multi Gyn Actigel to treat and prevent bacteria and thrush as my intimate area gets so hot and sweaty I'm pretty prone to getting things. It is constant management and nobody warns us about what to expect once menopause hits. DG x
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Wow what a wonderful find!!! I have just been recommend to Aloe Vera Gel (pure) for vulva dryness and it is absolutely brilliant best thing I have found so far.... really soothing ....been pain free since first use....I have also been told to try Calendula gel which is on its way via Amazon.....can't wait !!!!! :-* :-*
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Hello everybody,
I have a question about blood in the urine with VA.
DancingGirl mentioned this could happen - in a post from last year which I can't find now.
I've had microscopic blood in my urine for a few months (it was between 5-10 red blood cells per field and now is up to 25-30). I saw a urologist when it first happened (We thought I had a UTI - and that's how it was discovered - no UTI though). He did different types of urine tests and an ultrasound but stopped short of a cystoscopy. He said he couldn't find a urological cause for the blood but that maybe it was to do with low hormones but that I knew more about that than he did (yes he said that).
Anyway, one of my main complaints with VA aside from the vaginal and perineal burning, is urethral pain and pain with peeing (sorry, all this is very TMI I know)
Anyway, my question for everyone and particularly for Dancinggirl (I wish I could find that post) is has anyone else had this?
I have just found a urogynecologist where I live and will try to see her as this is really worrying me (ie I am in full-fledged panic mode) but would appreciate thoughts in the meantime from anyone who has had blood in their urine with VA (that was not an infection).
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Can anyone offer advice please? I am on the last day of a 2 week daily regime of Estriol before starting twice weekly for VA. Over the last couple of days it has really burned when I've applied it - both internally and externally and this morning I'm on fire. I'm not particularly dry and the very sore patch at the entrance to my vagina (the original reason I went to the GP) seems a little better. Could this be a reaction to the cream? I'm also feeling a bit swollen in the vulva/vagina if that doesn't sound weird. Or could this just be the ‘plumping up' effect of the Estriol?
So many questions! Has anyone else felt like this and is it possible Vagifem will be a better bet or will it do the same? Also feeling nauseous, but probably just hyping myself up. I really don't want to not have oestrogen.
Thank you for any help. x
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Hi and welcome to MM GrannyAli
You are not alone with these problems.
I found that the oestrogen creams irritated and burned and many of us prefer Vagifem although this can burn a bit as well. We believe it's the fillers in these products that cause irritation. I find using vaginal
Moisturiser is essential - SYLK or the YES products are best. I also use a bit of Multi Gyn Actigel the morning after I've used Vagifem to neutralise any irritation caused by the fillers.
Avoid anything scented near you intimate area, especially shampoo. Avoid tight clothing and keep the area as cool as possible. Avoid caffien, fruit juices and alcohol but drink plenty of water.
Get some of those moisturisers to try and go commando with flowing skirts if you can to help calm things down. You may find that when you use the cream only twice a week it may feel better. The initial 2 week daily dose is supposed to plump everything up to stop any systemic absorption but many ladies find they need Vagifem almost every day or every other day.
Keep us posted about your progress. If you can find the thread on this site ‘The Burning Club' you may find this helpful. DG x
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Can anyone offer advice please? I am on the last day of a 2 week daily regime of Estriol before starting twice weekly for VA. Over the last couple of days it has really burned when I've applied it - both internally and externally and this morning I'm on fire. I'm not particularly dry and the very sore patch at the entrance to my vagina (the original reason I went to the GP) seems a little better. Could this be a reaction to the cream? I'm also feeling a bit swollen in the vulva/vagina if that doesn't sound weird. Or could this just be the ‘plumping up' effect of the Estriol?
So many questions! Has anyone else felt like this and is it possible Vagifem will be a better bet or will it do the same? Also feeling nauseous, but probably just hyping myself up. I really don't want to not have oestrogen.
Thank you for any help. x
I had a really bad reaction with Estriol. Felt as though I had a UTI and was getting up to go to the loo at something like half hour intervals. Vagifem is working much better for me.
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Hello everybody,
I have a question about blood in the urine with VA.
DancingGirl mentioned this could happen - in a post from last year which I can't find now.
I've had microscopic blood in my urine for a few months (it was between 5-10 red blood cells per field and now is up to 25-30). I saw a urologist when it first happened (We thought I had a UTI - and that's how it was discovered - no UTI though). He did different types of urine tests and an ultrasound but stopped short of a cystoscopy. He said he couldn't find a urological cause for the blood but that maybe it was to do with low hormones but that I knew more about that than he did (yes he said that).
Anyway, one of my main complaints with VA aside from the vaginal and perineal burning, is urethral pain and pain with peeing (sorry, all this is very TMI I know)
Anyway, my question for everyone and particularly for Dancinggirl (I wish I could find that post) is has anyone else had this?
I have just found a urogynecologist where I live and will try to see her as this is really worrying me (ie I am in full-fledged panic mode) but would appreciate thoughts in the meantime from anyone who has had blood in their urine with VA (that was not an infection).
this may be too late to help you but I have only just read your questions. I had microscopic blood traces in urine for a long time. I was referred to a nephrologist at 1 point who decided that she wasn't too concerned. She gave a possible explanation which I don't have to hand now. However I now suspect that it was caused by VA. That wasn't suggested as a reason at the time.
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Thank you Dancing Girl and Kkay. I had a hunch it could be something in the cream causing irritation as my vulva wasn't the problem to start with but is now very sore. I suspect it could be to do with the fact that the cream works it's way out during the day so is always in contact.
I have YesVM which I was planning to use after the daily dose of Estriol as I didn't want them to interfere with each other so I'll go ahead with that tonight. Also off to by some Actigel.
I have a review appointment with my GP on 8/7 which will give it time to settle but I'll certainly ask to change to Vagifem.
I'll let you know how it goes.
Thank you again. x
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Hi, I am very new here and I am hoping that some of you might have had experiences that mirror mine and can just help me to work out what to do. I know we are all different and am not asking for specific advice, but sometimes the experiences of others can be really informative.
I have VA - I have had it for some time (I am 64) but it really hasn't given me many problems so I have tended to ignore it. But it does make speculum examinations exceedingly painful. So when I got the summons for a smear test last year I went to my GP who prescribed me Estriol 0.01% vaginally, the usual regime (every night for two weeks and then twice weekly) for 6 weeks. I followed the instructions to the letter despite it giving me quite strong lower abdominal pain, like the old pre-period pain I used to get. Four weeks in I started bleeding old blood. I went back to the GP who said that maybe I was getting a bit too much oestriol and to stop using it and get the smear test done asap. Did this, got the smear test done (wasn't too bad), negative result. But I carried on bleeding. The nurse who did the smear test said she'd seen the remains of a little blood coming through my cervix so I assumed that the Estriol had set my old fibroids off. I got referred for a hysteroscopy, an awful, awful experience which I have struggled to put behind me. The consultant who did the hysteroscopy said she was certain that the bleeding had not been from my fibroids but from the dry vagina and to carry on with the Estriol, because I probably hadn't used enough!, but that if I had further bleeding she'd resect my fibroids. To my mind the Estriol had caused the bleeding and there was no way I was going to end up with major surgery for using something that I could just stop using, so I ignored her advice.
Recently however I have started getting yellowish vaginal discharge, sometimes brown tinged, i.e. probably with a bit of blood in it (nothing like the bleed I had on the Estriol). Went to my GP who very firmly told me it was probably VA and I had a choice between using Estriol to see if the symptoms went or going back for another hysteroscopy. No contest! I am back on Estriol. But I am really scared I shall bleed again in which case I'll end up back in the hysteroscopy clinic (cue hysterics!!). I am currently on week two of the loading dose and have to admit that I am not using the full whack of a tubeful each night, neither am I putting it as far into my vagina as I can as I was instructed. I haven't had the pain I had before but I am quite uncomfortable - feel as if my vagina is going to fall out! GP has told me that once I have finished the loading dose I can reduce the amount right down. But because I am not sure whether it was too little Estriol or too much that caused the problems last time I don't know what to do - whether to carry on using half to two thirds of a tube for a bit longer than the two weeks, or to reduce the amount asap. I'd do anything (well almost) to avoid another bleed and hysteroscopy.
Well even if none of you have similar experiences, it has helped to write all this down. I am so sorry for the long post guys. I promise they'll all be shorter from now on! Can anyone identify with this?
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I have been on vagifem for 2 yrs with having to do only one reload about 12 months ago. but this May i had to do the reload again thinking that it was because i had dropped from one pess a week from 2 which was recommended. I went on holiday so prob ony did the reload for 10days and then back to twice a week, but after having sex just once once it al came back again and has been here for the last month. I phoned my doctor and he said i could try the reload again but its 10 days in now and still sore. He didnt really seem to know whats going on as he wasnt the original doctor who prescribed it to me (she has left). I had to wait on the phone whilst he looked it up. Also i hate having to go to a male doctor who doesnt understand VA. I dont think my atrophy is is that bad as im still plumping up with bits all intact im just so confused and worried that i have taken so much vagifem....But i will probably have to go back next week and i dont have much faith in him. Was thinking of maybe paying for a private gynacolagist but its so expensive. Anyone got any advice please or experienced the same?
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Poor you Wrennie,. not much time to write at the moment but if you ever need another hysteroscopy then ask you have it under a general anaesthetic. I had hysteroscopy last year and was terrified and found out on line I could have GA, no one else told me. I had no problems getting one when I asked and I came home the same day.
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Thank you suzysunday, I shall. It'll probably be a case of flatly refusing anything else!
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I am 53 and stopped having periods almost 4 years ago. I was perimenopausal from the age of 44. I have been using vagifem for about 3 years and whilst it helps I do have to revert to using it everyday for a fortnight about twice a year. I still find sex painful. If we want to have sex I have to use a medical grade silicone lubricant which is a bit messy and hard to wash off the sheets but I find the water based lubricant useless. I have had an internal and an ultrasound to make sure there was nothing else untoward going on and thankfully these didn't find any abnormalities. I have had a very low libido since the menopause started and several attempts at HRT in different forms and strengths haven't helped and I had lots of problems with side effects so I gave up for about 18 months.
I have been back to the GP as I think a divorce might be on the cards if I can't muster some enthusiasm for sex soon! I am now on Sandrena 0.5mg and Utrogestan 100mg daily to try and reignite the spark. Fingers crossed that this works and that I don't have the same problems with side effects. If not the GP has said she will refer me to the consultant. I'm not sure what other options there are.
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I use estrogen cream, KY gel and I've now started hrt patches as it was a feeling of constant infection even though I had no infection there. Plenty of ky gel for sex and actually my gynecologist told me that sex can help as it stimulates the blood flow.
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I'm not! At 68 I ended up with severe VVA. Have been on Vagifem for 3 months but pessary is causing sores. Doc. put me on Estragyn as well. Certainly helped with vulva discomfort but just don't know what to do about vag. Will Vagifem eventually make the walls more elastic? How long does it take? I am miserable and wish it would all end so I can get back to normal life. I am not sexually active so painful sex is not an issue. Is there anything else I can try? Dr. says estrogen is the only way to address underline condition. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi Whatsupwiththis
It can take many weeks before Vagifem will work it's magic. You may need to use it almost daily or at least 3 times a week to speed things up a bit. You do need to use vaginal moisturisers as well on a daily basis - SYLK or the YES products are the best and you can get these online. Don't use moisturisers at the same time as Vagifem or it can affect absorption.
Sadly women are not warned about VA - I firmly believe that local oestrogen should be offered to every women when meno starts to help prevent the horrid symptoms.
DG x
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On top of transdermal HRT gel I use Vagifem pessaries and YES Vaginal moisturiser. Both of these really help with keeping my vaginal from drying out day to day. But require added lubrication for sex. I'm fortunate in that I don't get infections etc.
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Thx Dancing Girl. Question: why do you need moisturizers as well? I thought that was the whole purpose of Vagifem? I am so new to this and getting overwhelmed with it all. I guess I'll continue the Vagifem and see how it goes. Sucks!
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It's quite common to need more than vaginal hrt. I use Ovestin at night and YES VM ( moistriser ) during the day and for sex. I couldnt manage without it. Ive also started on Multi gyn Flora a couple of times a week to keep my thrush-type symptoms at bay. I plan to insert it the day after sex as I get a flare up after sex. Its really a case of whatever you need as an individual. X
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Thx Dancing Girl. Question: why do you need moisturizers as well? I thought that was the whole purpose of Vagifem? I am so new to this and getting overwhelmed with it all. I guess I'll continue the Vagifem and see how it goes. Sucks!
I use Vagifem (3-4 times a week) and Evorel Conti. Sometimes apply Olive and Bee or VM moisturizer in the mornings but don't need it every day.
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Thx. Awesome ladies...just wasn't sure why moisturizers as well. I'm not in a relationship so sex is not an issue.
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Hi and welcome to MM GrannyAli
You are not alone with these problems.
I found that the oestrogen creams irritated and burned and many of us prefer Vagifem although this can burn a bit as well. We believe it's the fillers in these products that cause irritation. I find using vaginal
Moisturiser is essential - SYLK or the YES products are best. I also use a bit of Multi Gyn Actigel the morning after I've used Vagifem to neutralise any irritation caused by the fillers.
Avoid anything scented near you intimate area, especially shampoo. Avoid tight clothing and keep the area as cool as possible. Avoid caffien, fruit juices and alcohol but drink plenty of water.
Get some of those moisturisers to try and go commando with flowing skirts if you can to help calm things down. You may find that when you use the cream only twice a week it may feel better. The initial 2 week daily dose is supposed to plump everything up to stop any systemic absorption but many ladies find they need Vagifem almost every day or every other day.
Keep us posted about your progress. If you can find the thread on this site ‘The Burning Club' you may find this helpful. DG x
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Dancing girl, do you know where to find current guidence on ovestin use? I think I want to continue it nightly ( Ive been on it for 3 wks ) but cant find anything to say its ok to continue until there relief. Im thinking I cant be on it nightly for 3 or 4 months when improvement might be more evident.
So frustrating.
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hi
i've been using ovestin cream for 10mths and think it may have stopped working the dampness i was getting be it urine or watery discharge soaking knickers had stopped or pretty much was more thicker discharge but the last 3-4 weeks i'm constantly damp knickers wet pain in lower abdomen the minute i sit down my knickers are wet it's so uncomfortable i'm not dry down there at all but could the ovestin be causing the wetness or is it not enough ovestin i use twice weeks or has it stopped working ?
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Not coping to well, just waiting to see doctor not sure if I have thrush(again) or if vaginal dryness has kicked in (again) . Some symptoms are similar and I also dont have the discharge associated with thrush either way I'm on fire and uncomfortable. Help!!
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Hi everyone, I'm a newbie here, I'm 58 and just 2 years since my last period, late starter, late finisher.... lol. Anyway, I've had spotting problems on and off for the last year, had quite a few hysteroscopys and biopsies taken, thankfully nothing found but a couple of polyps which were removed, and small fibroids, but the spotting continued. I saw a different consultant a couple of weeks ago, and again had the hysteroscopy and biopsies, he has told me it's VA and prescribed Vagifem. After reading through posts on here, it seems everyone has taken it everyday for 2 weeks then twice weekly, as it says on the leaflet. But I've been told to use it 3 times a week, nothing at all mentioned about the 2 weeks thing. Did anyone else start with it this way?xx
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Hi KarenL, welcome to the forum. You definitely need to do the 14 day loading dose. The 3 x week instruction is for after you have done that. Good luck.
JP x
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Thank Joaniepat. I've just rang my surgery and they read the consultants letter to me, and he doesn't mention taking for 2 weeks first then dropping down. He only says to use 3 times a week :-\ xx
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I need serious advice about how to keep my Vagifem from falling out. Three days in a row, I've had to use it twice a day because I wipe, and it's on my tissue. Even when I place it up as far as I can inside.
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I need serious advice about how to keep my Vagifem from falling out. Three days in a row, I've had to use it twice a day because I wipe, and it's on my tissue. Even when I place it up as far as I can inside.
Hello Biscuits, welcome to the forum.
Vagifem not dissolving indicates that you are dry inside, so you could either insert some vaginal moisturiser beforehand, or switch to Ovestin which is a cream.
If you go down the moisturiser route, choose one without chemical nasties, which can irritate the delicate tissues. Yes products are best, or maybe Sylk.
JP x
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Thank you SO MUCH, Joaniepat!
This has been worrying me so much. I'll most definitely take your advice :)
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Hi Biscuits...had the same problem...Joaniepat gave great advice. My Dr. told me to use a little bit of moisturizer on the tip of the pessary. It worked.
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Wonderful! You caught me just as I was looking at it on Amazon and wondering how I'm supposed to use it for this purpose. Thank you!
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Hi Fluffy and all,
I have just started to read this amazing helpful but very long thread!
I wondered about your experience of dong quai now ? I am 48 and have just hit proper meno - and EVERYTHING has dried up including my libido and sex is now painful for the first time in my life.. :'( :'
I really don't want to use estriol / local oestrogen as I was prescribed it before and think it massively ramped up my adenomyosis (similar to endo) after a few months using from moderate pain to making my life unbearable for 3-4 days a month .. I know its not meant to affect you systemically but my hugely swollen breastfeeding like boobs told another story!
so VERY interested in any other remedies anyone with endometriosis or adenomyosis as found which haven't led to a flare up.
Have seen sea buckthorn mentioned as well and bit scared as have seen leaky gut mentioned and other nasty side effects possible...
Any help very gratefully received !
Lunalowe
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Hello I'm a new bod to the forum.....
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Months down the line where it become unbearable to have intercourse & after waiting a month for an appointment for a female Dr, I have been diagnosed with VA.
She has prescribed Estirol which seems to be starting to work (after a swift road test).
My concerns are that I've never had children due to endometriosis and the paperwork says to 'take special care' if you've suffered with this. I'm not sure what 'special care' is as it doesn't go on to say what you should be looking for?? I'd hate to be all lovely and silky down below and then find out that it has created another problem! Any help would be great!
Also, can you put the cream in after intercourse? Assume that it will still work?
Hi Mrs Dude...just wondering how you got on. I've had a similar problem with adenomysosis which can also flare up with oestrogen.. and am not sure about taking estriol though am not very happy with sore painful sex :'(
Did it work for you and did you manage to get any special / proper advice to help you manage the amount etc ? .....
Thanks...
LunaLowe
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I had a reaction to Ovestin. Caused cystitis type symptoms. Definite association, as stopped then started again with same reaction.
I find emollient wash (Aveeno baby) and replens good but still want the hormone replacement for many other reasons so restarting systemic HRT.
I printed off the latest availability of products from the website for my surgery following several wild goose chases. Why they haven't done that already after such a known problem is beyond me.
Great website.
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Could we have more recent advice please .seems some views are 2007 and may not be up to date.unless which is likely. Not useing post correctly tha ks .
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Hi Hugsneeded1958, welcome to the forum. What is it you need to know?
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I am 61 have used. Vagifem and ovestin on and off for years.now use vagifem but seem to need 2or3 week as estrogen drops and I seem to be getting bloated and having tummy cramps .feel windy too.i have put on weight but that is metabolism slowing down.as I have posted this before.i have in passed 2 years had all test c.t. poo samples gyny exam and ovarian blood test.no uti. could I become sensitive to fillers in vagifem. Anyone else have it.because of covid19 appointment with dr difficult. 🤯
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I agree that a list of all things that may help
dryness/atrophy would be really helpful.
I use Ovestin, V Magic and Yes Moisturiser ( although it stings externally when Im having a flare up ) Ive also just started taking Seabuckthorn Oil capsules but its too soon to say if its working.
Would love to hear if anyone has found a good anti-swelling type cream for just outside the vagina as it can feel quite swollen at times.
Appreciated.
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Is the vagina swollen? Get a mirror and have a look-C because what we feel with fingers may be the product working and plumping up the
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Hiya CKLD,
God yes, it feels sore and swollen. Just not its usual happy self. Im sure it flares up when Im at work on a Monday as Im sitting on a hard office chair for 8hrs. Im looking for a cream to apply that will help reduce the swelling. My V Magic cream doesnt really do that.
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Feeling swollen isn't the same as actually being swollen. Get that mirror out ;-). If I suggested sitting on a swimming ring or similar? would you know what I mean, you should be able to buy suitable pads from a mobility outlet. Have a look-see on line?
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CKLD- you mean like a rubber ring-type device thingy?
The girls at work actually got me a blow up thing but its awkward to sit on all day.
Its not the whole vagina that feels swollen its the introitus/entrance. It feels like pin hole size. I did have a look and I think it just looks sore. I could really be doing with a gynae person having a proper look down there as my Gp just doesnt specialise in things outwith the usual.
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Hi Fluffy and all,
I have just started to read this amazing helpful but very long thread!
I wondered about your experience of dong quai now ? I am 48 and have just hit proper meno - and EVERYTHING has dried up including my libido and sex is now painful for the first time in my life.. :'( :'
I really don't want to use estriol / local oestrogen as I was prescribed it before and think it massively ramped up my adenomyosis (similar to endo) after a few months using from moderate pain to making my life unbearable for 3-4 days a month .. I know its not meant to affect you systemically but my hugely swollen breastfeeding like boobs told another story!
so VERY interested in any other remedies anyone with endometriosis or adenomyosis as found which haven't led to a flare up.
Have seen sea buckthorn mentioned as well and bit scared as have seen leaky gut mentioned and other nasty side effects possible...
Any help very gratefully received !
Lunalowe
Hi there,
I'm new and have been going through peri since Oct 2012 (now 52). There is a company online called Healthspan who sell products especially for women pre and post menopause which have certainly worked for me. The products are called 'Replenish' and they do a Silk Comfort Gel that may help with issues down below. I've used it and it seems to be fine (although to be fair I haven't suffered unduly).
Cheers
SG
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Hi
Things which helped me for a while include:
Washing with Dermol 500 and being VERY careful not to let any shower gel or shampoo get down there.
Applying a layer of Hydromol over the inner area to act as a barrier - after shower and after going to the loo.
Using YES VM - single dose applicator every two nights and a few drops from tube instead of Hydromol overnight, every night.
Avoiding trousers all Spring and Summer, never wearing jeans anymore and wearing loose trousers around the house in the winter.
However in spite of this things have got worse lately and I have got very sore (and on inspection very red and raw) so after taking advice on this forum I am finally using the Vagifem I have been prescribed and am going to ask for some cream to use externally too. The information on the Jane Lewis video clip (conversation with Dr Sarah Ball) which someone on here pointed me to was very helpful and made me accept that this won't get better without a bit of (local) hormone help.
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I’ve given up on mine.
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Hello! I am in peri menopause. I started noticing pain and irritation in my labia and no vaginal discharge at all like I use to. This lead to thrush. I went to GP and gave me treatment for thrush for 3 months. A thrush pessary every week. This did nothing cause thrush was a consequence of vaginal atrophy. Eventually GP gave me ovestin. Stayed on it for 2 months but I noticed that still have thrush and irritated a lot my urethra. My urine test always comes back with no infection but with blood(not visible) which I think is a sign of VA. Switched to Vagifem, which didn’t give irritation but I need it at least 4 times a week but still get thrush. Swap came back positive for Candida/thrush. I went to private and DR gave me letter for my GP to prescribe HRy systemic and a king course of thrush med for 6 months. My GP still hasn’t prescribed the HRT yet wants me to have an ultrasound scan.... I don’t understand why delay the prescription until I have my ultrasound ( private again cause nhs sexual clinic I got referred to has huge backlog due to Covid. I was referred Nov 2020 still waiting)
Truly desperate. I use probiotics cotton underwear mutygyn gel, yes vaginal moisturiser plus vagifem. Nothing seems to keep it at bay.
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I´m in peri and it was urogenital symptoms that finally made me start HRT.
I had been experiencing frequent trips t the bathroom and getting up at night to pee, but then I got something that could be a UTI but a bit asymptomatic. I was first treated for vaginal infection (that helped because I had that), but after 2 days the urethra burning came back. I then had 3 successive batches of antibiotics that did almost nothing for me. Bacterial growth tests came back negative.
In the meantime I had been reading all about painful bladder syndrome and was starting to slightly panic. But - in all those terrible articles I also saw people mention vaginal dryness and lack of estrogen, so I started Vagifem (OTC in Scandinavia). My GP never mentioned neither dryness or menopause as a possible cause...
After 2 weeks I felt way, way better. The burning sensation diminished and as a pleasant side effect I felt really content and somehow relaxed, and I connected the dots - estrogen!
TMI here, but my vulva changed visually as well and looks healthy (if you understand...)
I went to my gynaechologist and got a prescription for HRT and after 2 weeks on Lenzetto in addition to Vagifem (use it every 3 days now) all my urogenital symptoms are gone. All in all it took 5 weeks. My gyn advised that I could use estrogen cream in addition to relieve dryness, she saw no issues by using all 3 at the same time as long as I tolerated it. In the ned I didn´t need to
I did experience mild discomfort with Vagifem in the very beginning, and I think that was because the area was so dry and sore. I also had some very slight spotting. All that took about 10 days to resolve.
Symptoms that resolved:
- bladder pressure
- burning urethra
- pain sitting down
- thin, dry skin down there
- soreness
- frequent urination
- nocturnal urination
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Girls - vaginal atrophy can imitate thrush symptoms. So continue with the appropriate VA treatment, if necessary every night. Sometimes ladies require two Vagifem at the same time, it's such a small amount of active ingredient. Candida thrives on sugars all the way through the digestive tract, I use LIVE yoghurt [Greek] when I have niggles which mayB thrush - which 4 me is itching really high up in the vagina.
Your GP is checking the lining of the womb but if she doesn't want to prescribe until the results are back, ring and ask her to request an urgent appt. Bluesky ?
2 stop the need2P sensation I take 2x'nurofen' 3 times a day to ease the spincter as it shuts off.
Nowt is TMI ;-). Every experience can be read, taken on board, shelves until required ........
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Also - thrush lives in the back passage and can be drawn forwards into the vaginal area by wiping the 'wrong' way.
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CLKD, thanks for advice - I am very careful to wipe front to back and trying to eat less sugar (extremely difficult) also started a new regime of probiotics for 3 months see if I can reset my gut, and I have now started the weekly thrush pessary GP has put me on(the discharge of tit is quite irritating) and I am going to start systemic HRT on day 1 of my next period and continue with the local oestrogen (3 times a week). GP says to start with 2 pumps only but gynaecologist said I could go up to 4 depending on symptoms. I think I am going to start slow with 2 pumps and see how I get on. I am expecting some erratic bleeding as side effect and some breast tenderness but willing to give a trial of 3 months, I really need to get sorted regarding thrush and VA. I think the labia minora is smaller than it used to. I think labia minora is smaller than it used to be before peri menopause as a result of lack of estrogen.
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Feeling miserable, started on the ovestin cream a few weeks ago and helped my itchy stinging on my labia and seemed to also boost my mood and energy levels. Now gone from daily applications to twice weekly and struggling with low mood and itchyness in between times that I use vagisil for. Feeling fat, frumpy and miserable :'(
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Maybe twice a week with the Ovestin is not enough? Perhaps try three times a week. Also, do you apply some directly to the labia? That might help. For low mood etc, you would need HRT, as Ovestin is only local. I agree that an uncomfortable undercarriage does nothing for your mood, though.
JP x
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Hi On hrt estradot 100mc for over a year. Going to use ovestin three times and see if that helps. I used the insertion thingy and spread over my labia too. Just feel maybe I need a increased dose.
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I went through the menopause at 33 :( did not know anything about it had hot flushes was put on hrt for 11 years. came off that and was okay for a couple of years but every time i went for a smear i would be in agony for about a week afterwards - thinking that i had thrush i used canesten!. It is only since 2016 that i discovered when i was bleeding when i went to the doctor who told me that a i had vaginal atrophy. She prescribed Sylk. It was okay but it wasnt enough. I then went on to YES VM which was brilliant, but, it came out as fast as i put it in. I was also having urinary problems associated with VA. I was then prescribed Estriol 0.01% cream. Yes this definitely works, but, i was sore the day after it was inserted- it was burning my skin. I have now been prescribed Imvaggis pessaries - haven't used it and this is 0.03% - my doctor explained it was weaker because it was a pessary (I hope she is right!) Has anyone else used this and have they had any side effects? I will have to start using this sooner rather than later :( It is driving me absolutely nuts being sore all the time now. Definitely not nice!
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Hi, Yes I use IMvaggis and I am doing ok. I tried ovestin which made me sore for days! then tried Vagifem which were slightly better than ovestin, but I prefer Imvaggis - very easy to insert, melts very quickly and there is no waste (no wasteful applicators).
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Hi Bluesky thank you for your input. I am going to persevere with this am very grateful for your response. It’s just driving me nuts at the moment. Will comment again in a week’s time. Fingers crossed.😁
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Hi everyone. I'm a newbie, who has been recommended this forum by a virtual friend on a very different forum. We have never met in real life, and I don't know what her board name is on this site. Many thanks to you if reading, because I have already learned from here. Thank you all the professionals who have made this site, and the kind and supportive members.
The OP asks how I cope with dryness and atrophy. Well I would not be coping without the coincidence of having a virtual friend who was posting about her difficulties with perimenopause and her mental health (to date, she has not mentioned any dryness problems), and watching the channel 4 programme presented by Davina McColl on TV that she was going to watch.
The dryness hit me only four months ago, and I thought I had a serious illness. I was in
increasing discomfort when I watched the channel 4 programme, and realised it was all down to perimenopause. I am 56, and thought I had been lucky not to get hot flushes, weight problems, and the symptoms everybody knows about, but then suddenly I was feeling like something horrible had occurred inside me! Nobody and nothing had told me that what I was experiencing is part of perimenopause!
I think I am lucky to have seen limks to Dr Newson's videos, and the rest of the videos, and this forum on the subject of VA before seeing my GP. I am shy, and don't always manage to say everything that needs saying, but knowing the terminology helped, and the GP listened.
I am now on Estriol 0.01% cream which is working. I know when the maintenance applications are due, and have been given the OK to use a tiny amount onto the entrance to my urethra when there is a start of a sting if it starts to dry between maintenance applications. I wasn't that great with the technique to use an applicator for full doses at first, but it soon became easy.
I don't have to fret about where the nearest loo is. I sleep well. I can sit comfortably. The symptoms no longer cause me anxiety because they have been diagnosed and treated.
There was a glitchy time when I had my first period since starting treatment when the dryness restarted at day 4 when the maintenance dose would have been due. The GP had said that the doses wouldn't be needed at periods, but since menstrual flow was light, I applied it, and was comfortable again. I would query whether menstrual flow is being confused with the natural lubrication that I have lost due to the low oestrogen.
A long post! Everybody will have glazed over! I don't have to just cope, I can have the treatment and carry on without worrying 😀
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Hello Gynaikeios
Hello and welcome to the forum.
I didn't have too many problems with VA when my menopause started and then taking HRT helped a lot. Within two weeks of stopping all HRT the burning and itching that so many women describe made itself known and I began to understand the suffering that comes with this condition.
I agree that this site is a valuable resource for women and I am grateful to Dr Currie and all the contributors who make it such a success.
Wishing you well.
K.
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Thank you for your welcome, Kathleen.
I am mystified why VA isn't mentioned in the media when the other symptoms of perimenopause are.
At my last check up with the Practice Nurse, she asked about periods, but didn't ask anything else when I said that I'm still regular. She did raise an eyebrow, but the subject was closed.
If I hadn't seen and read what I have, and had no Internet access, I know I would be suffering, and not unlikely to go to a GP who isn't up to date with the most recent findings and treatments for helping with a natural process that 50% of their patients experience.
My GP had seen several women with perimenopause symptoms who had watched the channel 4 programme and realised that there is help available. The GP had done some reading as a direct result.
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Hello again Gynaikeios
It is interesting that your doctor has now seen other women with the same problem since the programme was broadcast and a little worrying that only now has she done some reading on the subject!
GPs can be fixated on hot flushes and night sweats but as the programme highlighted there are many other symptoms as well. There have even been ladies here who have listed their problems to their doctor but because these didn't include flushing they have been told that they cannot be menopausal. Some women never do have flushes or night sweats and these were the mildest of my symptoms.
I understand that Dr Louise Newson has started a charity to train GPs and provide other services including research into the menopause. It is being crowd funded to avoid undue influences from pharmaceutical companies.
Take care.
K.
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Hi Hurdling. It's so annoying when doctors dismiss our needs and I'm sorry that you haven't received the support you need.
I'm not sure where you are in Meno but could you at least try the patch to see how you get on with it? If they don't work for you then you can return to your GP, armed with all of the information from this site, to ask for a change of progesterone. I was on Evorel sequi for many years but now don't need a progesterone due to a hysterectomy. It turned my life around within 48 hours.You would also benefit from topical oestrogen for the vaginal/bladder problems. This can be used alongside full HRT and many women including me need both.
Why not introduce yourself under New Members so more of us will be able to welcome you as new member posts on an existing thread are not always picked up.
Things will get better now you've got us lot to help you through.
Taz x :welcomemm:
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Girls - it's surprising how many GPs will not support women and how many have no idea about perimenopause. It's a huge failing on behalf of women by those supposed to be giving advice and treatment.
As for telling a patient that 'their time is up' during a phone call without getting to the gist of the problem, why didn't the GP make another appt or ask the patient into the Surgery? Is there a Nurse Practitioner Hurdling? or a GP interested in womens problems. Me, I would ring the surgery and ask for a direct referral to a menopause clinic: not a Gynae as they often know little more than GPs seem to do. GPs should not refuse but many do on the basis that each referral costs the Practice money. Or look in your area to see if there is a clinic so that you can self refer? Start at your local Hospital?
VA is one of the easiest symptoms to control once diagnosed, treated and applied regularly. Some find that they require 'vagifem' nightly as well as Sylc or Yes products. Same with 'ovestin'. It's about keeping the whole area supple and moist. Do read the 'bladder issues' and 'vaginal atrophy' threads on the Forum. Make notes!
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I have been prescribed Vagifem and that helps but after once a day for 15 days, twice a week wasn't enough so my GP agreed to take it every other day. Previously I tried Replens and it gave me terrible rash. Then i tried 'yes' what is excellent, although I don't think it would be enough to take just 'yes', better to use as a lubricant
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Replens has nasties in it apparently.
1 can use either 'ovestin' or 'vagifem' nightly.
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Hmmmmm....not sure if I could confidently say VA is the "easiest" thing to control, but that's a personal take. Maybe it depends on how long it has existed, undetected or otherwise, plus other oestrogen deficiency related influences and what has caused them, naturally or otherwise. It's very much an individually experienced thing and, mostly, seems to need a fair bit of trial and error for consistent wellbeing? Also, it can go hand-in-hand with or be part of a wider issue, GSM (genitourinary syndrome of menopause) which, in my understanding, is mostly fairly problematic and trickier still to resolve or at least improve?
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Hello Hurdler, I am sorry you have had such a difficult time, and cross that your GP does not seem to listen.
Does your GP practice have a GP or Nurse who manages Women's health you could ask to see?
I found the ordinary moisturisers, Boots own brand gel (no parabens in it), and VagiSAN cream (the one that you can use internally as well as externally) worked to an extent. I had the VA for 6 weeks and tried them once I saw the C4 programme. I found Vagisan is better at soothing than the gel, but that may be different for somebody else. They did not treat the problem with my bladder. The small amount of oestrogen in the prescribed cream treats the urinary symptoms, the inflammation and the dryness in the vagina and outer areas.
I am wondering what tests you have been offered for UTI? Does the GP check your urine sample?
Edited to correct the name of a product.
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Hi Hurdling, I am really sorry about your experience with the horrible-sounding GPs.
A couple of GPs at my practice suggested I come off HRT, luckily I managed to speak to the lady GP who offered me HRT in the first place. I had to fight to get local as well as systemic HRT, and then Ovestin PLUS Vagifem. So many of us have this tiresome battle, and the balance of power is unequal.
As you have lots of classic meno symptoms, it's worth giving the patches a try. They will help with VA also, from the inside out!
But you sound like you would benefit from local oestrogen too (Vagifem or Ovestin - some of us use both). It's in the NICE guidelines for menopause that women with VA symptoms can have both local and systemic oestrogen: https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng23/chapter/Recommendations 1:49 onwards. VA is a right b*****, and even with all this can take up to a year to get sorted.
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There is a new product for VA on the market but meno brain here, I can't remember the name! Do read our various threads on the issues ;-)
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Would that be the charmingly-named Imvaggis, CLKD? ;D
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I know, what a repulsive name!
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I wonder what marketing agency came up with that!!!!! ;D
A German one??
A joint Scottish and German? ;D
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Like a wee haggis, with a German pronoun ;D
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Yes always reminded me of "haggis"! Not really a great comparison to ones vagina!
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Erm......🤔
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Hi Ladies, what a find, thanks for all the info!
I’ve not got VA or dryness yet, I’m wondering whether there is any benefit in using moisturisers or Ovestin nightly. My GP included Ovestin in my initial HRT prescription but we didn’t talk about VA, dryness or change in appearance so I’ve not used it. Would using it help as a preventative measure perhaps?
I do hope you all pain free ASAP. I think you’re all incredible as the ‘none downstairs symptoms’ are extremely tough without this thrown in too. It really annoys me that women are dealing with this in silence and then have to fight with GP’s to get the correct help.
Thanks,
Victoria :)
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It's not a bad idea to use the Ovestin now before you get symptoms. Maybe a couple of times a week? If you had symptoms you would do a loading dose of 14 consecutive nights and then reduce to a maintenance dose of at least twice a week. So doing just the maintenance dose seems like a good wheeze. No point in using a moisturiser if you are OK without. A regular self examination is also a good idea, like people do with breast examination. You will then know what "normal" looks like for you, in case of future changes such as pallor or shrinkage.
JP x
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Hello 👋 I'm new here.. 54 and nearly 2yrs post meno. I've found this site really helpful and as I'm having a crappy time with VA I've been lurking here for a while! I started using estriol as prescribed by v nice Dr but after a month of using it diligently every night the awful increasing burning sensation that only started with using the cream became too much to bear. Bladder felt better and I had the best months sleep I've had in years (?!) but Dr advised to stop if it was that painful. I'm wondering if this is an unusual reaction to estriol? Feeling a bit desperate and wondering if I should just persist with estriol despite the 🔥! I'm worried I might not get another option with Dr's as stretched as they are at the moment... hoping I can battle and get a phone call with Dr next week to discuss.. Thank you for a great site ladies.
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Hi Jane. It may be that the fillers in the estriol do not suit you. I initially was prescribed estriol but it seemed to be making things worse, so I stopped it after 3 or 4 weeks. I was then prescribed vagifem and then, after seeing a gynaecologist, was prescribed ovestin to use externally as well as the vagifem. That, together with Olive & Bee moisturiser, has made the difference for me, although I still have some days where I feel irritated and burning. Maybe you could ask to try vagifem or one of the other types of oestrogen available. I’m no expert, but I think it’s a case of trial and error until you find what suits you. Good luck with it.
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Hi Haydo. That is interesting and helpful, thank you. Dr has hinted that she may refer me but I'd be happy to stick with her prescribing me something else (like vagifem) to at least try to find a better solution rather than waiting for a referral that may take a very long time. I will discuss this with her. I've found the Yes VM to be quite good for now but it's obviously not going to do much for my bladder! It seems Olive and Bee gets mentioned a fair bit so I will look at that too. Thanks again..
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Jane_w - do read the 'bladder issues' and 'vaginal atrophy' threads on the Forum. Make notes ;-)
When I feel that nipping sensation as the spincter shuts of the flow of urine I take 'nurofen' 2 capsules 3 times a day for 2 days. Stops the nipping!
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Thank you, yes I have been reading through all of it! More than a bit overwhelmed by it all tbh.. and somewhat shocked and terrified that I'm never going to feel any better!
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You will feel better. This time last year I could hardly walk any distance or sit down without pain, I couldn’t even drive my car - the doctor said it was the worst case of VA she’d seen, not helped by the delay in being seen because of lockdown. Long story!
I should clarify, my GP prescribed the vagifem for me but wanted me to see a consultant as I was still struggling so much, despite trying loads of different ointments and creams externally. I think, with me, it just took so long to sort out as it was so bad to begin with. A year on it is much more manageable. I am waiting to see a vulval dermatologist to see if there can be some more improvement made. I also take a probiotic which is proven to reach the vagina (Optibac for women) which does help as well.
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Thank you... its good to know that... I've used probiotics before which helped when my digestive system went haywire in perimeno so I have been taking the optibac probiotic for women for a month now as I think they will probably be good and Id recommend their other probiotics so hope this might help a bit... I hate to sound so sorry for myself as I can see how long it is likely to take to get this sorted with something that works for me and I'm in awe of everyone here..
I just feel like this has hit me like a train and I'm a bit shocked tbh. Nice young Dr managed to suss it out before me though (in denial!) and all from phone consultations where I thought it was 'just' another uti, so I'm quite impressed by her. Thank you again.
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Sounds like your GP is on the ball so, hopefully, you will find the right treatment for you sooner rather than later. Mine kept prescribing me treatment for thrush and antibiotics for UTIs initially which, I now realise, was just making things worse. I have learned a lot from this site. Let us know how you get on.
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I will indeed update as and when! I think I was just so desperate for the estriol to work (and it sort of did apart from the fact that something in it burnt like hell!) and facing the fact that this is a chronic condition that will need lifelong management has suddenly made me feel daft (for not realising & acting sooner) and incredibly, crushingly old and useless. But i'm reading all these stories of how everyone is doing what they can to get the treatment that works for them and it is a real education. What a great resource this is.
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Hi Jane W. I am also 54 and have recently been prescribed Estriol cream and like you to begin with it was great but now it’s not! Feeling very irritated down below and it’s really getting me down. I saw a great GP who was very sympathetic but she has been off work sick and I don’t want to see a different doctor and also feel like there must be much more important patients who need to be seen instead of me as this isn’t exactly a life threatening condition. Can I ask if you have made any headway since your last post here? Or have tried any other treatments? Not sure whether to persevere with this cream or to ditch it altogether ?!
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Hi Fran. I'm waiting to hear from my GP as she wanted to double check me for an infection before we decide a next course of action so still waiting for results ...but, rather oddly, since ditching the estriol nearly a month ago I have gradually improved and now feel a lot better. This is strange. I had been using the Yes VM water based but also stopped using that a couple of weeks ago as I wanted to see if it was definitely helping or hindering... it seems it might have been the latter. I really don't know what is going on (maybe it was 'just' an infection but that is very odd for me & might well be related to underlying dryness). In the meantime I've been taking the optibac probiotic for women and just bought another supply of that as I figure it can't do any harm and might be helping. I've also been using Nessa Vagina Victory Oil which is lovely and seemed to help to put out the estriol fire, externally at least! I don't know what to say about whether you should ditch the cream but it aggravated me way more than it helped me. Hopefully I will speak to Dr next week to see where I go next, but for now I feel sort of (cautiously) ok.. Good luck.
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I am not sure if I have Vaginal Atrophy , but I have a doctors appointment this week.
Does it feel like something in the vagina opening as well as soreness ? I cant feel anything at all.....
Many thanks
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Hello my friends. I am looking for some reassurance please about VA/GSM (will there be a 4 letter name for it ever? ::) ;D ).
👋 to ladies who are new. If you have not had it long, keep with your medication and find the right combination of pessary and or cream because it takes a while to get the condition manageable. It does become manageable. I am almost a year into treatment and thought I would never get it right, but it is now manageable :)
The reassurance is about still having uncomfortable feelings just before starting my period (Life is interesting. I am 57 and still in peri-menopause . MM has a thread for older women who are in peri). It is not my usual period pain.
I feel that the VA is affecting my cervix on the first day of menstrual flow. For me, the tight feeling up high returns, so my questions are, is this true that my cervix is still not quite flexible enough?
Should I put some extra Estriol high up? Or should it only be moisturiser when my period start between my twice a week application of Estriol?
Thank you for taking time to read, and to reply.
With best wishes
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Iovet the past 5 years I've tried everything including GP prescribed ointments, pessaries etc Truth is the over the counter creams designed for the sexually active market ie to accompany condom use are as effective as anything aimed at peri and post menopausal women and if you pay for prescriptions, they're also cheaper. Don't be embarrassed . Just browse the condom section of Superdrug and go for it. In-knicker comfort restored.
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I thought I'd just add my story here in case it helps anyone.
This was actually the symptom (vaginal dryness) which made it incredibly clear to me that I was low in estrogen. And caused a light bulb to go off in my head. Which eventually led to starting HRT.
I had been feeling occasionally scratchy/sharp/****ly discomfort there but very intermittently. I couldn't see anything wrong at all. I thought maybe I had thrush so I treated using Canesten. But it was still there a few days after finishing. I read online that I could do 2 courses of Canesten before going to my GP, so I did another course. Still didn't fix it...
I went to a GP I'd never seen before, expecting an exam. She gave me a self-swab to go and do in the toilets at the doctors surgery. I don't know if I did a good job with this, it was kinda hard in the cubicles! The swab came back normal and didn't find BV or thrush.
I was falsely reassured at this point and decided I'd been imagining things and didn't do anything further for a couple of months. Then things got worse and I decided there was something going on... By now I'd realised it could be low estrogen/vaginal dryness after doing some googling and reading online.
I went back and saw another GP, again expecting an exam. This GP gave me Vagifem and said she didn't want to do an exam immediately because it might hurt me and she wanted me to take Vagifem for 3 weeks and then go back and she would take a look. (How many more times would I have to psych myself up for a pelvic exam that never happened, I wondered....).
So I went away and started the Vagifem. Things got a bit better but because the location of my soreness was on the outside in my vulva, the Vagifem wasn't really getting anywhere near there. I had a video consult with a Newson dr to start systemic HRT at this time and she was happy to prescribe me some Ovestin as well, for the vulva. This really helped.
I also bought some YES products. I used the YES VM internally on the nights when I didn't do Vagifem (with Ovestin externally) and the YES OB every morning. It was quite a routine.
I went back to the GP after 3 weeks on Vagifem and the exam was so comfortable, I didn't even realise she was doing it. I thought she had given up because she couldn't get the speculum up there - only for her to say she'd had a look and blah blah... And I realised the estrogen had made me so comfortable up there!! (I did think my smear test last year had hurt more than usual but I hadn't realised that was a sign of low estrogen.)
The GP said I was a little red and irritated on the outside and she added the Ovestin to my NHS prescription. So I am now on Vagifem 2x weekly and Ovestin the same nights and the other days of the week, I use YES OB every morning. I don't use the YES VM internally at the moment.
I also got some pelvic floor dilators because I realised all this is about 'use it or lose it' and I wanted to go confidently into smear tests and pelvic exams, knowing that they wouldn't hurt me. So twice a week, I use a dilator up there for 10 minutes. It scores zero on the sexy charts for me. Now I am also on testosterone and have my libido back, I just have to fix my relapsed sex life with my long-suffering husband and replace that with a penis ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So happy for you I had same problem but after examination said was grade 1 bladder prolapse which had ages but convinced all back ache and dry stingy feeling low bladder cramps is because need to up my vagifem and use ovestin outside I read some put vagifem in every night or need to do a 2 week reload 2 times a year to boost estrogen levels up again.but I used to do 2 week some time 3 but now doing every other night for 3 weeks and yes V.m.cream .it has improved as regards cramping pain so hoping that this is the thing I need. I had a hystorectomy 22 yrs ago then had pelvic floor repaired where Anchor it to backbone with mesh 2 years after hystorectomy. I thought that be it but 2 years later on examination said had mild prolapse of bladder and rectocyle. As they still feel same and no other symptoms of prolapse that had before hoping it will stay same with kegal exercise and so on.she sent me for gyny/urologist appointment just to check but long wait. Good job not severe prolapse last time I had to be catheratised to pass water because of pelvic floor prolapse. T.M.I. sorry ladies but we need to talk to know what happens to us after hystorectomy but should add not all. Anyone any advice on bladder pain and success with vagifem. Have to say on useing vagifem never as yet had bladder infections. Long may they be around to use.. they are safe as systemically small amount absorption. Many thanks ;)
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Girls - vaginal atrophy can imitate thrush symptoms. So continue with the appropriate VA treatment, if necessary every night. Sometimes ladies require two Vagifem at the same time, it's such a small amount of active ingredient. Candida thrives on sugars all the way through the digestive tract, I use LIVE yoghurt [Greek] when I have niggles which mayB thrush - which 4 me is itching really high up in the vagina.
Your GP is checking the lining of the womb but if she doesn't want to prescribe until the results are back, ring and ask her to request an urgent appt. Bluesky ?
2 stop the need2P sensation I take 2x'nurofen' 3 times a day to ease the spincter as it shuts off.
Nowt is TMI ;-). Every experience can be read, taken on board, shelves until required ........
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Has anyone used Imvaggis for va? I have only been using it for 3 days but find it burns quite a lot when I use it and today I still feel sore. Is this how it should be?
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Has anyone used Imvaggis for va? I have only been using it for 3 days but find it burns quite a lot when I use it and today I still feel sore. Is this how it should be?
Hello Bettystar and welcome to the forum. I also had this reaction using imvaggis. It felt like it really irritated my skin. I can only use Ovestin cream as anything else causes me side effects.
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Hi Flossieteacake thanks for your reply. I’m new to all this and didn’t really want to use this as I had been managing with Yes vm and yes oil based which was very soothing. Have you used these in combination with Imvaggis. The burning / irritation was really quite bad and I’m only 3days into 21! Today is the first day I’ve been sore all day so far and I wonder if I’ll manage the full 21. Did you manage the 21 days, one each day and if so did you get any other symptoms.
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Hi Flossieteacake thanks for your reply. I’m new to all this and didn’t really want to use this as I had been managing with Yes vm and yes oil based which was very soothing. Have you used these in combination with Imvaggis. The burning / irritation was really quite bad and I’m only 3days into 21! Today is the first day I’ve been sore all day so far and I wonder if I’ll manage the full 21. Did you manage the 21 days, one each day and if so did you get any other symptoms.
I stopped using it due to the irritation. I also use Yes and Sylk. While the moisturisers are helpful they will not treat the actual vaginal atrophy and you will need to use localised oestrogen for life I am afraid. I would stop using it and ask to try something else.
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Thanks for info Flossieteacake will try again for a few days and see how I get on. Can’t really see me managing 21 days! :(
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Bettystar - we have several threads on vaginal atrophy so browse round.
As oestrogen levels drop the body may become dry: inside and out; skin, scalp, deep in the ears, vagina, eyes as well as muscles may become lax = aches and pains. When I get the need2P I take 2 Nurofen 3 times a day to ease the nip as the urine flow stops. If U are reacting to the product, ask your GP/Nurse Practitioner for either 'vagifem' or 'ovestin'. Let us know how you get on!
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Thanks CLKD will see how things go and have a look on the other threads 😊
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Ive been sitting on the sidelines for a while reading all the posts which have been very helpful.
I now have a question about Vagifem, and hope someone can help/advise.
Have any of your partners penis’s had a reaction to Vagifem?
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Interesting question. We wait until 'afterwards' B4 I use the 'ovestin'. Hopefully someone will be along with advice.
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I use Vagifem 5 times a week at night and tend to have sex in the morning, so you’d think the little pessary should have dissolved by the morning.
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Have spent an hour in the bath. After 4 months of not requiring treatment, last week I began using 'ovestin' but not soon enough >:(. I felt as though I had a cold in the offing - have taken 2 Nurofen to ease that nip which causes goosebumps and put 'ovestin' up there.
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Have spent an hour in the bath. After 4 months of not requiring treatment, last week I began using 'ovestin' but not soon enough >:(. I felt as though I had a cold in the offing - have taken 2 Nurofen to ease that nip which causes goosebumps and put 'ovestin' up there.
Aww, I hope the ovestin kicks in soon and you feel better.
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Tnx. Nurofen beginning to kick in. Another tablet around 71.5 to top it up.
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I'm having pH issues so I've put this post here under 'vaginal dryness' because it's linked.
The pH changes have been pretty significant for me, but I'm so early that they've not tested me yet so no HRT and it's months' wait for a referral (3 months so far). About 15 months ago, I got night sweats, then they went. I got similar symptoms to gall stones and a few other things so they did all sorts of other tests and put it down to (early ish, but not early enough to be called 'early') peri-menopause at 39. Now, I have:
- a reaction to my own sweat so I have to use sudocreme on my underarms every night
- minor vaginal dryness, thankfully not noticeably so for my sex life (though my libido is well down)
- itchy skin, everywhere
- Periodic Limb Movement (flailing limbs in your sleep, linked to restless leg syndrome) flare ups and occasionally restless legs (though the latter isn't really that bad, PLM keeps my husband up)
- and now cystitis. I was prone to it as a youngster, so I'm very scared of it because it had such a huge impact on me at college and uni. Particularly now because I have an hour's drive home from work and the public toilets are seasonal. I drove home with a plastic bag on my seat and I had to go in the bushes in a layby. Its so traumatic. I'd rather have the night sweats again.
I dont even have any friends in the same position because I'm so young.
The PLM and Cystitis flared within 24 hours of one another which was odd, there seems to be no other link but menopause.
My plan with the OBGYN team was a combined coil and HRT based plan. Since symptoms have increased, I requested an NHS referral to initiate the plan. To do that I called the GP, they texted me with a self-referral number which I called. They told me because my coil is not for contraception reasons I had to call my GP back and ask THEM to refer me (what a joke). They did that and I got a letter two months later 'we're sorry for the delay' ...I have to admit I am VERY angry with the NHS team. The NHS claim to be patient-centric but I work in a public facing industry and I had to do everything myself. No one said 'I'll contact your GP for you and sort this' no one said 'are you ok?' no one said 'do you need help with this?' and what a waste of my GP's time. I should have just lied. I'll remember next time. But that's not a patient centric service, they didnt offer me anything and have asked me to do everything.
Anyway, it seems I cant solve the issue until the NHS solve theirs.
Vaginal dryness and pH changes apparently lead to better environment for faecal bacteria which can then lead to cystitis so I'm living in permanent fear of another bout which is further affecting my sex life and I can't do anything more about it.
Suffice it to say I'm not having a great time this weekend.
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I'm having pH issues so I've put this post here under 'vaginal dryness' because it's linked.
The pH changes have been pretty significant for me, but I'm so early that they've not tested me yet so no HRT and it's months' wait for a referral (3 months so far). About 15 months ago, I got night sweats, then they went. I got similar symptoms to gall stones and a few other things so they did all sorts of other tests and put it down to (early ish, but not early enough to be called 'early') peri-menopause at 39. Now, I have:
- a reaction to my own sweat so I have to use sudocreme on my underarms every night
- minor vaginal dryness, thankfully not noticeably so for my sex life (though my libido is well down)
- itchy skin, everywhere
- Periodic Limb Movement (flailing limbs in your sleep, linked to restless leg syndrome) flare ups and occasionally restless legs (though the latter isn't really that bad, PLM keeps my husband up)
- and now cystitis. I was prone to it as a youngster, so I'm very scared of it because it had such a huge impact on me at college and uni. Particularly now because I have an hour's drive home from work and the public toilets are seasonal. I drove home with a plastic bag on my seat and I had to go in the bushes in a layby. Its so traumatic. I'd rather have the night sweats again.
I dont even have any friends in the same position because I'm so young.
The PLM and Cystitis flared within 24 hours of one another which was odd, there seems to be no other link but menopause.
My plan with the OBGYN team was a combined coil and HRT based plan. Since symptoms have increased, I requested an NHS referral to initiate the plan. To do that I called the GP, they texted me with a self-referral number which I called. They told me because my coil is not for contraception reasons I had to call my GP back and ask THEM to refer me (what a joke). They did that and I got a letter two months later 'we're sorry for the delay' ...I have to admit I am VERY angry with the NHS team. The NHS claim to be patient-centric but I work in a public facing industry and I had to do everything myself. No one said 'I'll contact your GP for you and sort this' no one said 'are you ok?' no one said 'do you need help with this?' and what a waste of my GP's time. I should have just lied. I'll remember next time. But that's not a patient centric service, they didnt offer me anything and have asked me to do everything.
Anyway, it seems I cant solve the issue until the NHS solve theirs.
Vaginal dryness and pH changes apparently lead to better environment for faecal bacteria which can then lead to cystitis so I'm living in permanent fear of another bout which is further affecting my sex life and I can't do anything more about it.
Suffice it to say I'm not having a great time this weekend.
Hello Laura and welcome. It sounds to me like you have vaginal atrophy and you need localised oestrogen. This will help with the UTI type symptoms. I understand your fear of cystitis, I too had it constantly in my 20s. You are not alone having such symptoms at your age. I started HRT at 38.
It is so silly you can easily have the coil for contreception but not HRT.
You will find it helpful to get some vaginal moisturiser. Yes and Sylk are gentle.
If you have to wait for the coil perhaps you can ask for an appointment for a different HRT.
I understand how overwhelming this is but you will find lots of support on here.
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Get some suitable vaginal atrophy treatment, you don't need an examination - it should be enough to tell your GP/Nurse Practitioner for 'vagifem' and/or 'ovestin'. The idea being to use it every night for 2-3 weeks following an as necessary regime: some require nightly, others can use every 3rd and 6th night ...... let us know how you get on.
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Thank you. It's so good to have such a quick response and advice. I'll look into the products you've mentioned. Its so difficult trying to figure it out on your own! My mum had completely different symptoms and has had different issues of her own and my friends, all well into their 40s, aren't experiencing anything yet!
To be clear, the coil is to manage the periods (I always had horrendous periods and PMT which is a family thing) separate to the need for HRT but to help manage the potential for unpredictable PMT.
Really appreciate such a quick response, thank you!
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Thank you. It's so good to have such a quick response and advice. I'll look into the products you've mentioned. Its so difficult trying to figure it out on your own! My mum had completely different symptoms and has had different issues of her own and my friends, all well into their 40s, aren't experiencing anything yet!
To be clear, the coil is to manage the periods (I always had horrendous periods and PMT which is a family thing) separate to the need for HRT but to help manage the potential for unpredictable PMT.
Really appreciate such a quick response, thank you!
I do not know anybody going through this either. That is why this forum is so helpful.
Ah so the coil is to help with heavy periods. I really hope they do that for you. I cannot understand why it seems so difficult for them. Destrogestal is a progesterone pill that can help periods to be lighter but for the progesterone part of HRT two pills a day are needed
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Evening all, first time poster here 👋
I've been prescribed Ovestin by my GP for dryness as sex has become almost impossible (even with using Yes). I'm really nervous about trying it as I've reacted badly to the combined pill in the past and I'm worried about side effects. Any tips for a first time user, perhaps starting on a reduced dose or something? I don't want this to be the end of my sex life, but then I hear about people getting DVT / headaches etc and it makes me worried to get started. Any pointers would be really appreciated
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Hi SuzyBart, welcome to the forum.
You might find it better if you post in the All Things Menopause page of the forum, this thread is a bit hidden away for most of us to take notice.
Your concerns are very common but if you search for 'the burning club' thread in the private lives page you will find lots of amazing info. Also search for Vaginal Atrophy, again lots of great informative posts.
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Hi Suzy - welcome. VA treatment is very localised, used every night for 2-3 weeks initially. Do read the various threads as suggested, make notes ;-). VA won't improve without localised oestrogen replacement - Quality of Life is important. Is there a history of DVT in your family?
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Cope with it ??
Who copes with it ??
At best you manage not to go insane too often At worst you think your life is over
I found a massive lack of empathy and a huge amount ignorance from the professionals made things so difficult
I was unfortunate not to respond to the generic treatments and had to research alternatives for myself and then request them from the GP who then had to go and look them up as they had no idea what to prescribe
Its honestly been the worst time of my life by far affecting my mental health severely my relationship with my partner and family has also suffered
I’m about to start Intrarosa now that the damage done by other meds is under control so hopefully this will work
But cope.. definitely not
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I agree. It's really difficult to cope with physically and mentally. It's devastating when you find out, especially if you have no idea of the implications at the time, like I didn't. It feels like a cruel joke by nature sometimes.
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I still can't get over the shock of Vaginal Atrophy and what I can only describe as a disgusting condition. My anger at over 70 and never hearing of this condition and what was the scariest, neither did any of the medics in the surgery know what it was, instead treating me with antibiotics for bladder infections which were totally unnecessary.
Eventually I saw a Gynae at the surgery and she said you need oestrogen down there when I got to the stage I couldn't sit down assuming a prolapse, but still she didn't mention the name of the condition and I was too ill to ask! I've been Mrs Angry ever since.
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Yes, similarities to me a few years back. I was late 50s and treated for bladder issues by female GPS. Really infuriating.
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Hi Suzysunday & Ayesha
And the irony is that even having posted on here in reply to an original post by a specalist, NOTHING will change, do these posts even get read by the professional bodies.
There really needs to be a change in attitude. A reference point for GPs to get information and services that can be responsive to alleviate the distress of this condition quickly and effectively.
I’ve found it’s like being abandoned in a wasteland where nobody can hear you, nobody can see you and every wall is a barrier that you can’t get over or round
Perfect example I’ve been waiting to see a specialist dermatologist due to the reaction I’ve had to the oestrogen cream Waited 5weeks (private appt) as practice didn’t send off letter and today received appt to see the gynaecologist I saw in Jan who wasn’t interested in the atrophy but did offer to fix my prolapse!! So how do you even get to see the right person I just give up
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But what's even more bewildering, how did Vagifem and Ovestin suddenly out of the blue become available to buy online or from pharmacies.
VA has been the biggest mystery to all medics and to a lot of women to my knowledge, who the heck forgot to tell us, oh btw as you age you might experience a very nasty, horrific condition and its called Vaginal Atrophy and you will need treatment for life but never mind here's another course of antibiotics, now bugger off!
Nobody gives a damn!
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Couldn't have put it better.
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I was using vagifem, and the GP said twice weekly, after the initial 3 weeks of every night. Then it didn’t seem to be as good, and I had terrible cystitis symptoms (no bug in the urine though) had 2 lots of antibiotics which did nothing, so I changed to Ovestin. The problem is I did the initial loading of every night, and now on 2 x weekly and the bladder pain comes back. I spoke to a private GP (part of my health care) and he said use it every night (‘it won’t do you any harm’) I’m 71 and it’s the recurring ‘cystitis’ that is my worse symptom. Do any other ladies use vaginal estrogen every night?
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Its perfectly safe to use vagifem daily, two a week is a useless dose for a lot of women, GP's have an awful habit of messing us around.
I was told by my gynae GP to use Vagifem daily as twice a week wasn't working and to use Ovestin topically.
I also use a moisturiser which I think is very important and after nearly three years I am back to normal down below after being at the most chronic stage of vaginal atrophy.
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Yes. I am 74 and use local oestrogen every night. My routine is Vagifem for three nights running, then Ovestin externally on the fourth night. Either Epaderm or Olive & Bee as moisturiser as necessary. This regime is what works for me and I could not manage with less. We have to find our own way with GSM and stick to what suits.
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Thank you both….feel a bit more relaxed about it now