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Menopause Discussion => Other Health Discussion => Topic started by: jaypo on April 29, 2025, 01:39:49 PM
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Just read that they want to recruit more men to do mammograms.
How would you feel if it were a man?
I personally wouldn't want this, it's very close up and personal to get this procedure,even though it's been men who have been my gynaecologists in the past and for some reason,I've not minded,although would still have preferred a woman.
A mammography is VERY hands on.
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Yes, agree. Did you hear it on the Jeremy Vine show, what a waste of space it was having the subject discussed when it completely went off the point.
No, it's far too personal with a lot of intimate touching and as old as I am and been through it all, I would not want a man carrying out this procedure. I also think that more women will not come forward because of this.
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I'd probably walk out if it was a man.
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No Ayesha,just heard it on the news at lunchtime.
I find it astonishing that they think women really don't mind this and like you say,VERY intimate touching.
Sheila, I too would politely decline but then you know what would happen.......well you'll have to go back on the waiting list until a woman radiographer becomes an available >:(
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I would never have wanted a male midwife either.
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If any of you are familiar with Mumsnet (?) there’s a HUGE discussion on this under the AIBU section 😊
I will go against the grain and say, yes to a man conducting my mammogram. I see men and woman as equals in profession, but totally understand why some women ( in the case of SA and or DV for example) would prefer a woman. Mammograms are intimate and undignified. There’s a lot of faff about where to out your arm and hand.
BUT, when you’ve had a man examine you umpteen times ( BC), had a man’s gloved hand feeling for a mass and breast reconstruction and several heart echiograms performed by a man, I’ve no issue.
But I absolutely do and would not dismiss other women’s concerns and views.
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I would never have wanted a male midwife either.
Was a man that delivered my daughter but after 35 hours in labour, wasn't caring if it was a trained chimp ;D
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I can understand that it would bother some women, and think there should be a choice when making the appointment, but personally it wouldn't bother me.
I am intrigued however about the rationale for specifically saying they want to recruit more men to do mammograms, as that seems to go against what most women would want. Maybe it's just semantics as I could understand them saying they want to recruit more radiographers to do mammograms and are happy to recruit women or men into the roles.
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Yes I think they should definitely ask the woman first. Nearly every intimate hospital appointment I've had,it's been a man but with a mammogram, I just don't want a man lifting and pressing my boobets, I'd feel VERY uncomfortable
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Its a strange thing, I don't mind a doctor carrying out this sort of procedure but a radiographer is different and I definitely would feel very uncomfortable with a male technician, its too personal a procedure to be alone in a room with a male handling me like that. I expect chaperones will be needed as most GP's have when carrying out intimate examinations.
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It’s definitely a very intimate procedure as you’ve got to be in such a particular position, almost like a pose. More chaperones will be required, if they train and employ male radiographers.
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Whilst I personally am lucky enough to be breast free, I don't think I would be fussy although I do understand where others are coming from.
A chaperone is necessary but this can be a health care assistant, it doesn't require the specialist training of a radiographer so would still save time and money if lack of trained personnel is currently causing delays.
A choice can be offered where possible, but as others have said, if something is found you will very quickly be being examined manually by a surgeon, the majority of which are male anyway.
I have often (but not always) found gynaecological examinations by males to be gentler and more considerate - sometimes female clinicians can be a bit rough if they personally have never experienced any kind of pain or trauma in that department and assume anyone finding it difficult is just being a little princess.
I did have a male midwife come to the house in 1998 after I had my first child. He didn't need to examine me, but told me it was particularly important to get my smear as teenage mums tended to be at higher risk of cervical cancer.
When I questioned the biological mechanism for this, he said it was because they are promiscuous!
I don't think that's a gender issue though, some people just aren't suited to a patient facing role ;D
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I saw this on the news yesterday too and I understand that this can be a very emotive and sensitive subject with widely varying views and preferences.
From my point of view I would be happy with a male radiographer. They are medical professionals performing a procedure.
I agree that a chaperone would be needed as in all situations of this type where the medic is male and the patient is female. This doesn't need to be someone medical though, it could be volunteers or other staff members.
I understand that some women wouldn't want a male performing this, but, as at the moment all mammography nurses are female, would you feel uncomfortable if the nurse was lesbian? Similar sort of situation really.
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I wouldn't be uncomfortable with a lesbian because she is still a biological female, therefore no problem with me.
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I also think there is a big difference between finding a definite lump and having a mammogram for that, compared to routine screening.
The former, I can’t imagine anyone would care too much if it was a man performing the procedure. The latter, maybe so.
So perhaps back to patient choice?
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I am intrigued however about the rationale for specifically saying they want to recruit more men to do mammograms........
As far as I can see it's all about filling quotas. The silly need to ensure fairness and equality for all. It does nothing of the sort.
All it does is ensure that a certain proportion of people doing a particular job are not necessarily the best people to do that job.
Everyone, and I do mean everyone, should be employed on the basis that they're the best person for that particular role irrespective of gender, sexual orientation, colour, nationality, spiritual beliefs or political views.
In the end, the powers that be will decide what to do about male radiographers performing mammograms irrespective of the views of the general public.
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I am intrigued however about the rationale for specifically saying they want to recruit more men to do mammograms........
As far as I can see it's all about filling quotas. The silly need to ensure fairness and equality for all. It does nothing of the sort.
All it does is ensure that a certain proportion of people doing a particular job are not necessarily the best people to do that job.
Everyone, and I do mean everyone, should be employed on the basis that they're the best person for that particular role irrespective of gender, sexual orientation, colour, nationality, spiritual beliefs or political views.
In the end, the powers that be will decide what to do about male radiographers performing mammograms irrespective of the views of the general public.
Well not really.
If women drop out of screening because of this, it won't reflect well on the NHS. I've already heard of this in another country and women make their own choices, whatever the 'powers that be', say.
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It's been a long time since patients have been at the forefront of any NHS decision. These days it's all about cutting costs and ticking boxes over everything else. ::)
If a woman wants to put her health at risk because she doesn't want the most qualified and effective person to undertake a procedure then that is a real shame.
Everything evolves over time and in a few years we'll forget that it was ever an issue. We'll accept it and be happy that the person performing the procedure is the best qualified to do so.
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It's been a long time since patients have been at the forefront of any NHS decision. These days it's all about cutting costs and ticking boxes over everything else. ::)
If a woman wants to put her health at risk because she doesn't want the most qualified and effective person to undertake a procedure then that is a real shame.
Everything evolves over time and in a few years we'll forget that it was ever an issue. We'll accept it and be happy that the person performing the procedure is the best qualified to do so.
Well only two in three take up their regular mammogram anyway. I'd hate to see that drop because of an ill thought out decision.
Personally I'd ask for a chaperone, but that's taking up extra staff anyway, so where is the gain.
I'd love to know what the staff in breast care think.
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They said today that’s it’s to utilise the current male radiographers as there are many, by only allowing females to carry out mammograms it reduces availability of appointments.
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Problem solved then. Male radiographers = fewer women wanting appointments so the backlog goes away. It'll just make the queue for late stage cancer treatment longer instead.
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I agree Sheila, if it was a young man standing in that room waiting for me I'd say sorry and walk out. I don't think we can blame women by saying,well,that's their choice for putting their comfort before their health. Women as it is, have to endure the most uncomfortable of procedures,mostly done by men and we just have to grin and bear it, I don't think this is acceptable in this day and age.
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Well I certainly seem to be in the minority here ;D
Just goes to show that everyone has differing views and there is certainly no "one size fits all" as far as women's health goes.
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Yes,get out sundaygirl ;D
Although there's no right or wrong here, just our own personal opinions :)
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A male in the room will require a chaperone to protect both parties, the way of the world now.
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A male in the room will require a chaperone to protect both parties, the way of the world now.
Exactly.
When I had a breast ultrasound scan, the radiographer was a young male. A male doctor was there to, explaining what they were looking for, but two female nurses were also in the room.
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Well I certainly seem to be in the minority here ;D
Just goes to show that everyone has differing views and there is certainly no "one size fits all" as far as women's health goes.
I'm with you. I think timing of tests etc, i.e. as soon as possible, is much more important than the gender of the person doing then. I know Nas said she'd be fine with a lesbian but what do others feel? Actually, would you even know unless you asked, which I'm guessing is crossing a line? What about someone whose transgender? Peronally I'd be happy with anyone whose trained and compentent regardless of gender as long as they do their job and treat me well.
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I wouldn't care if it was a lesbian,she has female anatomy and it's not something I ask when I go ;D ;D
Like I said,no right or wrong answers, I just wondered how other women felt about it. :)
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The reason I mentioned lesbians was this .......
Most males are attracted to the female form, viewing it in a certain way, so I wondered if the point of view of not wanting a male nurse because of this was applicable to anyone who viewed the female form in this way.
Maybe I'm overthinking matters but I do like a good debate :)
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The reason I mentioned lesbians was this .......
Most males are attracted to the female form, viewing it in a certain way, so I wondered if the point of view of not wanting a male nurse because of this was applicable to anyone who viewed the female form in this way.
Maybe I'm overthinking matters but I do like a good debate :)
I was thinking the same thing, but maybe there are other reasons why people would prefer a female radiographer?
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I guess the thing is, you are unlikely to know that the radiographer is a lesbian, so there is not that immediate discomfort that you might have with a male viewing you in that way.
Personally, although I'm fine with male gynaecologists, I would prefer not to have a male carrying out a mammogram. Maybe because with gynaecology, there is often more instrumentation involved, whereas a mammagram just feels a lot more intimate, given the amount of handling involved. Having said that, on 2 out of the 3 occasions I have had one, I have been a bit unhappy with how rough the women have been with my breasts in trying to position them on the machine! Maybe I've just been unlucky.
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Yes, I've had a couple of female radiographers with sadistic tendencies too.
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Yes,me too, I have found the clamping down of the machine very uncomfortable on occasion. It's like getting blood taken,usually pretty pain free but then the next nurse it's yyyeeooowww ;D
Yes, it's the intimacy thing,I've usually always a male gynaecologist but it's not the same hands on as a mammogram.
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Was it on here I read once of a woman boob clamped and the fire alarm went off? Everybody scarpered and left her trapped. It was a false alarm thankfully.
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My God 😱.
The mind boggles 😂
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Omg 😳😳😳😂🤣😂 that's the sort of thing that would happen to me 😂
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Was it on here I read once of a woman boob clamped and the fire alarm went off? Everybody scarpered and left her trapped. It was a false alarm thankfully.
That is so awful but so very funny. ;D
I think everyone can agree, no matter what our point of view is, that we'd all be extremely happy to see a man in uniform walk into the room to release us if it wasn't a false alarm. ;D
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;D ;D Nooooo sundaygirl,a hunky fireman and we're clamped in the machine? ;D ;D
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Talking genuine fireman there not strippogram fireman ;D I know the way your mind works!
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;D ;D
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I'm also breast-free so mammograms are no longer cllinically indicated. However, dealing with male healthcare professionals has never bothered me in the slightest. Good thing really, the amount of medical stuff I've had going on.
For me it makes no difference whatsoever what gender the member of staff is, I just want someone competent, communicative and compassionate.
I guess I'm just a lot more relaxed about this than some other respondents on this thread. Everyone's different
How do the respondents who are so against male radiographers doing mammograms feel about then being referred on to a male breast surgeon or a male oncologist? Believe me, they touch, feel, manipulate one's breasts way more than a radiographer carrying out a mammogram.
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I wouldn't want a male doing my mammograms. Also when I go to the lorry to have my exams there isn't much room for an extra woman in the room ........ I've never had problems with male GPs - usually whilst growing up in the 1950s - or other males in the nursing profession though most Nurses were women: very few Charge Nurses. I do wonder why men would want to train to do mammograms .....
It's box ticking. How many men have been trained that are not being utilised to do mammas does any1 know?
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I'm also breast-free so mammograms are no longer cllinically indicated. However, dealing with male healthcare professionals has never bothered me in the slightest. Good thing really, the amount of medical stuff I've had going on.
For me it makes no difference whatsoever what gender the member of staff is, I just want someone competent, communicative and compassionate.
I guess I'm just a lot more relaxed about this than some other respondents on this thread. Everyone's different
How do the respondents who are so against male radiographers doing mammograms feel about then being referred on to a male breast surgeon or a male oncologist? Believe me, they touch, feel, manipulate one's breasts way more than a radiographer carrying out a mammogram.
My breast surgeon was female but there was still a Macmillan nurse in the room.
Regular mammograms are just you and the radiographer, that's the difference.
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One thing I would add regarding chaperones. Throughout my life, when ever there has been an intermate examination by a male doctor, there has always been a female staff member present.
If you think about it, that's also protect the doctor from any false accusations.
It's not just about protecting the patient.
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How do the respondents who are so against male radiographers doing mammograms feel about then being referred on to a male breast surgeon or a male oncologist? Believe me, they touch, feel, manipulate one's breasts way more than a radiographer carrying out a mammogram.
The two scenarios are different, going for a routine mammogram I definitely would not want to be handled by a man alone in a room carrying out such a personal and intimate procedure, no matter what his qualifications are.
If I was then referred to the breast clinic then I would be more than happy, as I was in the past, for a male doctor to examine me as I would be in a room with more than just the doctor present.
Both situations can be completely different to the other.
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I'm also breast-free so mammograms are no longer cllinically indicated. However, dealing with male healthcare professionals has never bothered me in the slightest. Good thing really, the amount of medical stuff I've had going on.
For me it makes no difference whatsoever what gender the member of staff is, I just want someone competent, communicative and compassionate.
I guess I'm just a lot more relaxed about this than some other respondents on this thread. Everyone's different
How do the respondents who are so against male radiographers doing mammograms feel about then being referred on to a male breast surgeon or a male oncologist? Believe me, they touch, feel, manipulate one's breasts way more than a radiographer carrying out a mammogram.
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I hear what you are saying, but by the time the lump is biopsied, the breast scanned and diagnosis confirmed, most wouldn’t care whether the next medic is male or female, I’m sure.
But, prior to all of that, essentially it’s just patient, radiographer and scanner in the room. No other person present and that could be an issue for both patient and male radiographer.
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It's not that those of us who don't want a male radiographer are prudes or anti male,as said before most gynae appointments for me have been male,I don't particularly like it but have got used to it.
But I draw the line at a man doing what radiologists do whilst having a mammogram . Also been examined by a man at the breast clinic but with a nurse present and when examined by him,it is nowhere near what happens with a mammogram
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Agreed jaypo.
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Absolutely would not want a male doing this. Somehow it’s different to gynae examinations but given the choice with this i would always prefer a female. I think there is something very intimate about someone handling your breasts like this and I found it almost humiliating and I know that sounds silly because it’s just a health check it’s far too near to a man fondling your breasts, albeit they don’t usually clamp them in between two plates and squash them flat! I think also that lots of women have been sexually assaulted or even had grabbed boobs in pubs etc or on tube. I would have trust issues with a male doing this. I have had males examine me for gynaecological matters many times but felt less exposed than I have when having a mammogram. They also don’t seem to have gowns now at the Mobile vans so you’re sitting there talking to the radiographer stripped to the waist while they go through your details that felt odd enough even with a woman. It concerns me that women won’t be given a choice or you’ll be put to the bottom of the pile. If you express a preference for a female radiographer will be labelled sexist. To me they need to attract more women to do this. I found having a mammogram more stressful than having a smear test and at least when it was a woman doing it you can joke to get over the embarrassment and I just think many women are just not going to turn up for this if they know they might get a male
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I also meant to say that I think this will be like mixed sex wards in hospital. It will seem like a good idea but there will be problems not least for the men as well that are doing it because things can so easily be misinterpreted with a job like this.
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Oh that's right mummyclanger, I didn't get a gown either but put my top back on,then took it off once in the room but again I'd feel very uncomfortable taking my top of in front of of a man :-\
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All the radiographers for mammograms have been female in Spain but some of the breast specialists who perform the ultrasound scan immediately after the mammogram have been blokes. They don't use sonographers in Spain, the breast specialists and gynecologists do the scans themselves to see it firsthand so that is probably the difference.
I don't usually have a chaperone either when the gynaecologist/breast specialist is a man. I've never felt uncomfortable with any of them.
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Evening Mary G - that procedure of the specialists doing the scans would lessen the waiting and diagnosis times too.
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Oh that's right mummyclanger, I didn't get a gown either but put my top back on,then took it off once in the room but again I'd feel very uncomfortable taking my top of in front of of a man :-\
The last time I went to the mobile unit I was told to take everything off above the waist in the very small changing room and then walk into the room with the radiographer, which I found very uncomfortable as there is then a small delay while she checks your details etc and gets the machine ready. The mammogram I had previous to this in the same unit I was told to take my top off and leave my bra on until I got into the room. This was better as I didn’t feel so exposed for so long if you see what I mean and obviously feeling a bit self conscious is better than not being checked but I would be mortified if I had to sit there like that with a man. I think one of the other things is that you’re made to feel a bit shit about ageing generally as a woman and it’s no wonder lots of women would feel embarrassed having their boobs handled by a young guy.
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This is from one Trust but I expect most are the same.
https://apps.worcsacute.nhs.uk/KeyDocumentPortal/Home/DownloadFile/2850
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Evening Mary G - that procedure of the specialists doing the scans would lessen the waiting and diagnosis times too.
Absolutely CLKD, it means that if something has come up on a mammogram of you have found a lump and booked a scan, you know straightaway if it's something sinister. They do biopsies on the spot too. I think it's a better system with far less waiting and worry involved.
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Evening Mary G - that procedure of the specialists doing the scans would lessen the waiting and diagnosis times too.
Absolutely CLKD, it means that if something has come up on a mammogram of you have found a lump and booked a scan, you know straightaway if it's something sinister. They do biopsies on the spot too. I think it's a better system with far less waiting and worry involved.
One week after my recall I had a magnifying mammogram, ultrasound scan and biopsy, all at the same appointment. Biopsy results a week later.
Don't think it could have been quicker.
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I should have been clearer. You skip the waiting for mammogram results and (possible) recall part because immediately (usually within an hour) after the mammogram, the images are sent to the breast specialist in another room who has the x-rays on a screen in front of them and scans the breasts. So it's a slightly different procedure.
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Continuity of care Mary G. Which could be possible in the NHS if appt arrangements were different so that they coincided when the surgeon wasn't operating.
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Too expensive.
Our trusts dedicated breast clinic has a two week turnaround from referral by GP, or routine mammogram.
From my first clinic appointment to surgery was 7 weeks. I'm very grateful.
I would add that it would have been even quicker, but it was decided to do a second biopsy on the lobe attached to the duct. They found a second area there which was also removed.
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How R U now Aprilflower?
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This idea will put off those ethnic groups who have to be accompanied by a female .......... :-\
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I wouldn’t want a man. I find it embarrassing enough with a woman. Also this is a very expensive idea. Paying for 2 staff to do 1 persons job. (Obv they will have to have a chaperone).
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I wouldn’t want a man. I find it embarrassing enough with a woman. Also this is a very expensive idea. Paying for 2 staff to do 1 persons job. (Obv they will have to have a chaperone).
Exactly right.
I think it's one of those things, where someone thought it was a good idea, without thinking it through.
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I wouldn’t want a man. I find it embarrassing enough with a woman. Also this is a very expensive idea. Paying for 2 staff to do 1 persons job. (Obv they will have to have a chaperone).
The chaperones could be volunteers, or nurses. They'd have to be indepedent in case any claims were made.
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It concerns me that women won’t be given a choice or you’ll be put to the bottom of the pile. If you express a preference for a female radiographer will be labelled sexist.
Totally disagree. If they hire more radiographers, regardless of gender, and have the equipment etc. to do more exams, then everyone will be seen quicker. Obviously the wait times for male radiographers will be shorter so those people who are OK with seeing them will probably be seen sooner, but it also means the wait times for female radiographers will be shorter too. Preference will be asked at time of booking so how would that mean someone will be labelled as sexist?
Personally I think the whole thing is being made more worrying than it needs to be. They will probably hire a very small number of male radiographers so the chances of seeing one will be tiny. If they have one on staff patients will be asked if they have a preference and appointments booked accordingly. If you see a male radiographer you'll get a chaperone. If you choose not to, you'll see a female radiographer, no chaperone.
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But it will mean more staff needed for chaperones and there is a shortage of nurses as there is,it just hasn't been thought through properly and women definitely need to be consulted first,just seems like a whole load more work 🤷♀️
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But it will mean more staff needed for chaperones and there is a shortage of nurses as there is,it just hasn't been thought through properly and women definitely need to be consulted first,just seems like a whole load more work 🤷♀️
Exactly.
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At the Mobile Unit that I attend there is a Nurse, in case of general emergencies or medical queries.
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The mobile unit I attend is a receptionist and the radiographer,all seems to work well,no delays etc
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Just curious - what sort of men are going to volunteer for the mammogram job? Those with a penchant for handling breasts?
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Just curious - what sort of men are going to volunteer for the mammogram job? Those with a penchant for handling breasts?
Whilst the amount of men in healthcare positions who are sexual predators is obviously very low I do think that it’s a whole can of worms for the male practitioner himself as with this job actions could so easily be misconstrued. I can’t remember if I had said on this site but my husband is a paramedic and he would much rather not do an ECG on a female patient if there is a female colleague that can do it instead as he’s aware of the patient feeling uncomfortable or misinterpreting his actions etc and a mammogram involves actually repeatedly handling the breasts rather than working round them. So I don’t understand why men are “keen” to do this( this is what was said in the statement from the society of radiographers ) there are so many pitfalls.
Also wanted to mention that I think Muslim ladies would not be ok with a man touching them even with a chaperone. But as im not as Muslim I’ll be happy to be told otherwise!
Chaperones don’t have to be clinical staff it could be a receptionist etc but in the mobile unit there was only two staff last time I went one was on reception while the other was screening patients.
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It concerns me that women won’t be given a choice or you’ll be put to the bottom of the pile. If you express a preference for a female radiographer will be labelled sexist.
Totally disagree. If they hire more radiographers, regardless of gender, and have the equipment etc. to do more exams, then everyone will be seen quicker. Obviously the wait times for male radiographers will be shorter so those people who are OK with seeing them will probably be seen sooner, but it also means the wait times for female radiographers will be shorter too. Preference will be asked at time of booking so how would that mean someone will be labelled as sexist?
Personally I think the whole thing is being made more worrying than it needs to be. They will probably hire a very small number of male radiographers so the chances of seeing one will be tiny. If they have one on staff patients will be asked if they have a preference and appointments booked accordingly. If you see a male radiographer you'll get a chaperone. If you choose not to, you'll see a female radiographer, no chaperone.
I can see you’re point and hope you’re right but you only have to look at the news to see that the NHS sometimes have an agenda of some sort, that they tend to push regardless of how it affects staff or patients for example single sex wards and the recent case of female staff being told they were discriminating and bullying because they objected to a male who hadn’t gone through any hormone treatment etc sharing the changing room. That’s what was on my mind when I wrote about being labelled sexist etc.
I also suspect that they pay as a radiographer is maybe not good enough for men to apply, it’s the usual story that traditionally female areas of healthcare are poorer paid eg nurses and I suspect radiography comes under this. I will try and find it but there was a mammographer on Instagram saying the real issue was lack of funding.
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In Northamptonshire Nurses are being asked to leave to cut costs >:(
I did mention that ethnic communities may have problems, they are known not to attend appts. due to the quota of male Consultants. When I worked in the NHS a Muslim lady refused to be examined by the male Consultant, she wouldn't allow the Nurse to check her over in case the Consultant wandered into the room. She was covered head to foot in black ......... how she had arrived at Clinic I can't remember, as there weren't any female GPs in the 1970s/80s.
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getting_old, sorry that should say mixed sex wards not single sex wards !
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Found this, please read as it puts the record straight.
https://www.sor.org/news/mammography/public-statement-mammography
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Not a lot of straight talking as it doesn't mention why the issue has been raised :-\ .............if " other than all mammographers will be female ".
Mixed Wards ............ another idea that should never have got onto paper! >:( >:(
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I'd also not want to be in a mixed ward :-\
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Whoever in the society brought up the motion re male radiographers to carry out mammograms has been thought a lesson here, women already ringing up to cancel appointments says it all.
Its early days, lets see how the NHS think about it when the notion is passed on to them, if ever!
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Whoever in the society brought up the motion re male radiographers to carry out mammograms has been thought a lesson here, women already ringing up to cancel appointments says it all.
Its early days, lets see how the NHS think about it when the notion is passed on to them, if ever!
Fortunately the NHS are not obligated to change current practices, whatever the SoR vote for.
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The NHS forgets who pays their wages!
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This smells like the transgender debate all over again. What gives then the right to expect women to put up with this just so a small number of male radiographers don't feel discriminated against?? Only now it isn't just sharing a toilet and changing room with a man, it's having your private parts manipulated by them :angryfire:
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Totally agree
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This smells like the transgender debate all over again. What gives then the right to expect women to put up with this just so a small number of male radiographers don't feel discriminated against?? Only now it isn't just sharing a toilet and changing room with a man, it's having your private parts manipulated by them :angryfire:
I agree it’s interesting that the statement also talks about making it an accessible career for men rather than getting waiting lists down this tells me it’s more to do with some sort of BS political correctness agenda. Seriously it’s the only job that a male can’t do they really need more jobs made available to them ?
I’m not against inclusivity at all but this is obviously something a lot of women feel strongly about as they are already cancelling appointments! More investment is needed across the NHS generally and the society of radiographers should be pushing for more money to recruit and retain female staff.
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I'd also not want to be in a mixed ward :-\
Absolutely, I have had a couple of horrible experiences on mixed wards. I think they are phasing these out as there have been some serious incidents as well as women saying they don’t feel comfortable or safe. But it was thought to be a good idea at the time!
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Ideology always seems to prevail over common sense, usually at women's expense.
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I'm guessing the rationale for mixed wards was cost driven :'( by people with private healthcare providing then with their own private suites :angryfire:
They are my worst nightmare. I would take 100 male radiographers over a stay in a mixed ward!
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This smells like the transgender debate all over again. What gives then the right to expect women to put up with this just so a small number of male radiographers don't feel discriminated against?? Only now it isn't just sharing a toilet and changing room with a man, it's having your private parts manipulated by them :angryfire:
I agree it’s interesting that the statement also talks about making it an accessible career for men rather than getting waiting lists down this tells me it’s more to do with some sort of BS political correctness agenda. Seriously it’s the only job that a male can’t do they really need more jobs made available to them ?
I’m not against inclusivity at all but this is obviously something a lot of women feel strongly about as they are already cancelling appointments! More investment is needed across the NHS generally and the society of radiographers should be pushing for more money to recruit and retain female staff.
It's worrying that the focus is on making it an accessible career for men. Are there really a lot of male radiographers who feel their careers would be enhanced by doing mammograms? Is the pay higher? As I've said before if this is the best way to reduce waiting lists and get women seen and treated sooner then I'm all for it, but if this is literally a couple of male radiographers pushing to do mammograms then I'd seriously question their motives!
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If NHS Consultants aren't operating on private patients they would be farming, walking, doing other activities ............ they have a part-time contract.
There R Consultants who work purely in the private sector. I've had NHS, the private treatment was in a private hospital by an NHS Consultant.
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Fortunately the NHS are not obligated to change current practices, whatever the SoR vote for.
Thankfully with all the bad publicity and the consequent fall-out this week, and the fact they have had to issue a statement, it will indeed stop it in its tracks before it gets to the NHS for consideration.
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“If NHS Consultants aren't operating on private patients they would be farming, walking, doing other activities ............ they have a part-time contract.
There R Consultants who work purely in the private sector. I've had NHS, the private treatment was in a private hospital by an NHS Consultant. “
CLKD I think one of the issues across the NHS (not talking of consultants here) is that people get qualified and leave to go to the private sector as it is far more money. The NHS trusts have different policies but I think they have often charge people now for courses that they have done that the trust has paid for if they leave before one year which personally I think is the right thing. But if a radiographer has completely her or his degree and are qualified that’s at their own expense I’m assuming and there isn’t much to be done.
Years ago staff stuck with the NHS because of the sick pay and pension benefits however since the 90s these have been slowly down graded particularly with Agenda for Change in 2001)?) which involved asking staff to sign new contracts. Also with nursing I’m sure many of us here remember that you there was cheaper accommodation at the hospital whilst training for nursing staff whereas now you’ll be paying the going rate for student rented
and starting work with a huge amount of debt. All this adds up to making the NHS less attractive for people to stay tbh.
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I'd also not want to be in a mixed ward :-\
Absolutely, I have had a couple of horrible experiences on mixed wards. I think they are phasing these out as there have been some serious incidents as well as women saying they don’t feel comfortable or safe. But it was thought to be a good idea at the time!
My worst fear is,whilst sleeping,kicking off the covers and my bare bot available for everyone to see ;D
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