Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: kittydaydream on July 14, 2024, 10:39:35 AM
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Just wondering does anyone else get crippling fatigue where you wake up groggy, disoriented and feel like you’ve had no sleep?! Also on waking mega anxious, sometimes it goes away sometimes it lasts all day!
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Are you on HRT? This is very common as estrogen gets lower...
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Yes should have said, I’m on Utrogestan and estraderm 100 which is high isn’t it so I feel like I’m dying! I’m peri still also
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Yep, me! Awful feeling🙁
No HRT for me, not allowed.
I take CBD oil, perks me up no end 😉
The joys of meno. An actual pile of s**t!
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Bloody horrendous isn’t it!
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It could be high cortisol levels?
There are various supplements which are meant to lower cortisol, but it’s probably low oestrogen causing it. Are you absorbing okay from the patches? Might be worth reviewing your regime? You are also peri, so fluctuations won’t be helping.
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kittydaydream, it doesn't matter what the dose is - what matters is whether you are absorbing it and what your serum estradiol levels are. Have you had bloods done? That would be the first thing to do. If you still have periods, get the bloods done during your period because it's when your own estrogen will be lowest so you will see what you are getting from the HRT better.
I was on 12 pumps of gel, where 4 pumps is the max licensed dose - and my serum estradiol was 328pmol That might have been enough for some people but often during peri we need higher levels to control symptoms, between 450-650pmol. I've now been switched to Sandrena to see if I can absorb that better without ridiculous amounts. I might need oral if not...
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Yes me! I really dread the feeling I experience when I wake up in the morning after a night of very broken sleep, sweats and nightmares...
I thought it was just me as I have M.E and currently in a bad relapse so to wake up unrefreshed is my normal.........but this feels extra weird and its really unpleasant and really quite distressing to be honest. Feel really disorientated, drugged, heart pounds, like I'm not in my own head....its flipping horrid.
Too scared to go on HRT....the daily horror threads on here are enough to make me avoid...I'm ill enough with my M.E.
Least I know what it is and that I'm not alone. I'm used to feeling crap daily anyway.
Huge hugs buddy
Xxx
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Nas, perhaps cortisol yes! I’ll book a review of my regime and ask for a blood test, I’m not sure if I’m absorbing well! This has all ramped up since I had Mirena removed 3.5 months ago so that seems to be what triggered all this!
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Thanks Joziel, I’m not sure about absorption but your experience tells me how much you can need when super depleated! I’m going to ask for a blood test to check levels. I have estrogen gel I can add to patch, do you think it’s worth adding that or to wait for a blood test as god know when that can be arranged!
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Thanks Dorothy, hugs back at you! I honestly dread waking up, like you say the banging heart and generally feeling like death are just awful! It does help to know others feel as scared by it as me! 🙄
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Cortisol = the waking hormone. Would leave me shaking and nauseous for hours when woken suddenly around 3.00 a.m.
I am fatigued due to busy involved dreams ........... my head wants to stay on the pillow to catch up :-\. Once out of bed I feel a little less hung over!
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It depends if you think your GP is happy to prescribe above 100mcg patch, since that is the max *licensed* dose a lot of GPs just don't want to go higher and you end up needing to be referred to a meno clinic. Which takes forever on the NHS. But there's no point adding another pump and then running out of gel and your GP refusing to give you more... You could go to a private meno clinic online and be seen immediately... then they write to your GP and tell them what to prescribe. That's what I do.
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I'm do glad I'm not alone with this i feel terrible in a morning like I've got a hangover and had no sleep at all I gave breaks in the night with the sweats and my dreams are so very vivid and sometimes scary I'm exhausted in the day at times but I can't sleep either I'm not taking anything I was going to try the CBD oil too may have to give it a try I don't want to go down the hrt route if I can help it wat us woman have to go threw men wouldn't survive 😂😂
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Yes I get those other things too! Truly frightening! If this happened to men gp training and treatment would be better! Like you say it does help to know that others feel like this 🙏
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Sequi or conti hrt? Any difference when/if you're on oestrogen only? Utrogestan gives me fatigue all day.
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Yea the thing is this has been going on for ever for woman and yet they found a vaccine for COVID so quickly mmm makes the mind think 🤔 all there research for cancer too the ladies that find things that help should be put on the board of docters because they help more than those and yet do it freely and better
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Yea the thing is this has been going on for ever for woman and yet they found a vaccine for COVID so quickly mmm makes the mind think 🤔 all there research for cancer too the ladies that find things that help should be put on the board of docters because they help more than those and yet do it freely and better
HRT is readily available, it’s a case of finding the magic combination. Easier said than done I guess, otherwise this forum would be redundant.
Research into cancer treatments should continue. Many cancers ( of which there are many) are life limiting and life threatening! Menopause is not, but obviously can be very debilitating for so many women.
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Definitely agree that any research should continue I've lost a few family members to cancer not nice at all but any condition is worth research if it helps people have a quality of life hrt is good for some not for others but those who it helps then it's worth it in the long run I've never wanted to try it but I understand those who do
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TracyT - the World was aware that the next pandemic was on its way. Our government of the day went on several 'jollies', sorry Conferecnes to discuss what was necessary in order to be prepared. Whilst others put into order what might have been necessary, ours simply buried their heads in the sand. Hence the delay in having PPI ready.
Laboratories are working 24/7 to find the next good medications which work . 'They' didn't suddenly find a vaccine, it became available because scientists were already putting in long hours in preparation. It was approved more quickly that other medications may well be due to the urgency. It is known that the SARS virus may interfere with hormone levels.
I've lost a few family members to cancer have any of these been related to hormone replacement therapies? We really should not lump all cancers together ......... it also needs 2 B remembered the ages of our relatives that passed away.
Replacement is the word to remember: not necessary 'hormone'. We all have hormones and when some become depleted, replacement can work wonders. It can protect heart and bones too! Getting onto a menopause clinic waiting list sooner rather than later - 1 can always cancel the appt when it arrives.
Let us know how you get on.
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Quality of Life Girls, quality of life ;)
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Yes I'm just biased with the whole COVID thing I won't rant on thou it's my own thoughts lots of people lost there life's after vaccines and to be fair wen you look deep how did the whole world contract it all at once but again my own mind I don't fight with the ones that think different it just causes us to be more distant than they already made us and I lost a niece at 12 to cancer a aunt at 65 and my nan at 75 so all different ages with different cancers most actually got worse after treatment which makes me wonder too but that's a different topic for another day lol I do know theres many life's saved threw many operations and vaccines but I've seen many lost too so I'm divided on my thoughts but again I'm human I'm not a god I don't know everything nor do i preech against someone else's opinion I love free thinking individuals that follow themselves
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Sequi or conti hrt? Any difference when/if you're on oestrogen only? Utrogestan gives me fatigue all day.
I’m on estraderm 100, I didn’t take Utrogestan for three weeks and that’s when it got considerably worse!
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Tracy t - U could begin your own thread ;-). Often the treatment is worse than the symptoms of the disease :-\ :'(.
A lot of people were saved by vaccination programmes too. These SARS viruses mutate which makes it hard work for Scientists to keep up.