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Menopause Discussion => Other Health Discussion => Topic started by: CLKD on July 07, 2024, 05:04:47 PM
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If you're over 65, ibuprofen can make you more likely to get stomach ulcers. Your doctor will prescribe you a medicine to protect your stomach if you're taking ibuprofen for a long-term condition.
I've never needed more than 2 x 3 capsules in 24 hours to ease VA symptoms along with 'ovestin' internally and externally.
My GP has never suggested that I should not take it after turning 65+.
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I think that should be a warming to everyone, not just over 65s. Ibuprofen taken over a 24 hour period caused me gastritis when I was 47 which took months to recover from. It definitely does impact stomach lining, especially if taken on an empty stomach (which I didn't do).
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R U able to remember why you took the medication and how much? What else had you taken over the last few years?
Anything that has 'itis' = inflammation. Which may/not resolve, i.e. appendicitis. I had mine removed on Valentine's Day, 1991. ::)
Aspirin will also cause inflammation.
When I require 'nurofen' I take it, regardless of time of day. Which fortunately isn't often. It's the way to cure a headache B4 it causes nausea and fortunately, works within 40 mins.. I have omeprazolol at breakfast to ease the irritating clearing-throat symptoms which is mainly the result of sugars, i.e. chocolate >:(.
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Association isn't the same as causation though - for example many people at risk of dementia, vascular dementia in particular are prescribed drugs like aspirin and/ or clopidogrel. Which typically require PPI cover.
Also people who may be obese or have a less healthy diet, who drink alcohol or smoke, all of which increase the risk of dementia, are also more likely to get heartburn and take medication for it.
There's zero good quality evidence that PPIs cause dementia.
Regards ibuprofen, yes it CAN cause GI and kidney problems but the vast majority of users have no issues whatsoever if taking it sensibly. Ibuprofen has also been associated with a LOWER risk of some cancers and also of cognitive impairment.
Like I said though, this doesn't prove cause and may reflect healthy user bias.
I don't think it's helpful for anyone to be told by strangers on the internet that a medication they are using for good reason is going to make them die a horrible death!
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It should be known that paracetamol can be dangerous ........... because many don't read the leaflets, including myself . This girl who died took too many products with it included, because she had 'flu. The Coroner at that time wanted more warnings on the packets of all pain relief OTC medications.
With regards omeprazolol Dr James le Fanu in the Monday Telegraph doesn't agree that we should take it long term. When I had to stop last year the reflux soon returned along with a much worse clearing of throat :-\
I also use Milk of Magnesia liquid .
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R U able to remember why you took the medication and how much? What else had you taken over the last few years?
Anything that has 'itis' = inflammation. Which may/not resolve, i.e. appendicitis. I had mine removed on Valentine's Day, 1991. ::)
Aspirin will also cause inflammation.
When I require 'nurofen' I take it, regardless of time of day. Which fortunately isn't often. It's the way to cure a headache B4 it causes nausea and fortunately, works within 40 mins.. I have omeprazolol at breakfast to ease the irritating clearing-throat symptoms which is mainly the result of sugars, i.e. chocolate >:(.
Hurt my back right before getting on a long haul flight, took 3 doses of the standard amount over a 24 hour period, not even the really strong dose. My stomach started burning by the third dose and within 2 weeks of trying to deal with it in Australia I ended up in A&E. My brother in law who is a doctor in Australia, plus the consultant at the hospital both told me it was the ibuprofen and we couldn't pinpoint anything else that could have caused it. I ended up on a PPI for 6 weeks and then weaned off. From that I ended up with rebound acid that I'd never had before, but which luckily resolved. I have done plenty of research on this myself and would never touch an anti inflammatory like ibuprofen again, my body clearly can't tolerate it and I'd hate to end up on a PPI.
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That's an awful situation! Such a waste of a holiday too. :-\. Did your brother suggest other forms of pain relief, it might be worth knowing what else might be helpful.
When growing up there wasn't a lot of choice: Jnr aspirin and even then Mum cut the orange 'flavoured' pills in half ::). Adult aspirin.
Milk of Magnesia, Andrews Liver Salts and Enos ........ if we fell Mum opened the sweetie tin, never went to Casualty I suppose because we were lucky not to do much damage and even then, sutures were sorted at the GP surgery.
'Co'-anything makes me sick after the 2nd pill.
Perhaps a list of what Members suggest ..........
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I was fine with it when younger, used to have Lemsip as a kid no problem. For bad pain now I'd take one of the co drugs as i am fine with them, but I rarely take things like that. What I was given at the time was diazepam which acts as a muscle relaxant. That helped my back for sure but yes, the gastritis ruined my hol as I love my food and could barely eat.
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How long B4 your gut felt 'better'? Is it affected by foods these days?
Ah 'lemsip' ...........
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How long B4 your gut felt 'better'? Is it affected by foods these days?
Ah 'lemsip' ...........
Took about 5 months before I could have things like coffee and tomatoes again without the burn in my tummy. After I came off the ppi I worked with a nutritionist who helped me with food and supplements to heal stomach lining, not easy but can be done. But it's why I only ever used utrogestan vaginally when I started hrt as I was told not to take any medication on an empty stomach in case it flared up again. Utrogestan orally is meant to be taking on an empty stomach. I can now eat pretty much anything but I do still take an excellent supplement called Colex which supports gut health, especially the mucous lining which got damaged in my case.
I did love a lemsip though in the old days, fond memories of my lovely mum who used to keep it in stock! Tasted disgusting tho...
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Yep. Nowt wrong with the Placebo effect. Any1 remember: a complete meander : those childrens' toothpastes that were apparently 'banana' flavoured :-X and Penicillin - 'cherry' flavoured :sick02:
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Like a lot of pain killers they can have bad side effects and best left up to individuals to decide what's best for them and not to have it suggested to them on a public forum.
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I don't understand the point of this post. Are you posting it in relation to a comment I made to you about nurofen? Who has been told their medication might cause them to die a horrible death? I am confused. I don't think anybody should be talking about people dying from drugs, especially overdose, it's a sensitive subject and relates to somebody close to me and I find it insensitive.
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I'm sorry that you've been upset by this thread Jules especially as it relates to someone close to you. I do feel, though, that a number of people think that over the counter medication is safe for everyone and don't bother to read the information. Comments on here may help those people to be more aware.
Taz x :hug:
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I'm sorry that you've been upset by this thread Jules especially as it relates to someone close to you. I do feel, though, that a number of people think that over the counter medication is safe for everyone and don't bother to read the information. Comments on here may help those people to be more aware.
Taz x :hug:
I know that. I was the one who pointed that out about nurofen originally in the first thread. I don't know if you saw that.
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No sorry I didn't. :-\
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I don't know what the first thread is, are they linked? I think the points are valid re otc medication though tbh, and also re ppi risk although I realise the benefits outweigh the risk for the majority of people who need to take them (and I note the most contentious comment has since been removed). I'm sorry you're upset Jules, especially as it is something that has effected someone close to you but I think I've missed the first thread that started this so dont understand the reference to Nurofen.
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It wasn't just Jules that was upset about comments in the original thread
https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,70072.msg951632.html#msg951632
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I might have completely missed the intention of this but from my perspective it seems that I made a comment about CKLD frequently mentioning nurrofen where I highlighted it contains ibuprofen and some effects of that on the stomach. In reply some inappropriate and I think irrelevant comments were made and then a new discussion has been started so I've only just seen it and didn't know if the two are linked.
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It wasn't just Jules that was upset about comments in the original thread
https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,70072.msg951632.html#msg951632
Ahh I hadn't seen this, thanks Ayesha. Yeah all makes sense now.
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I started this thread purely on Nurofen/Ibuprofen so that I didn't hijack what was being said on the other.
Which I use as necessary when VA begins to irritate. Fortunately this isn't often these days but worth sharing when members are having urine infection-type symptoms.
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I don't think there are any medications that don't carry some risk, and it's always worth checking for possible side effects and interactions with other drugs. I remember the first time I saw an American advert for a paracetomol or ibuprofen type of medication, and they actually reeled off a list of what seemed like 50 different possible side effects including death. Whilst those risks are probably very small and may require a lot of contributing factors, that advert certainly made me think.
I find pharmacists are always willing to help with side effects and interactions for all medications including non-prescription, so I always check. I think there does need to be awareness of the potential risks with all medications, and sadly I don't believe we can rely on doctors to know all of the risks :'(
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I started this thread purely on Nurofen/Ibuprofen so that I didn't hijack what was being said on the other.
Which I use as necessary when VA begins to irritate. Fortunately this isn't often these days but worth sharing when members are having urine infection-type symptoms.
Yes I can see that you wouldn't want to hijack other subjects
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I agree getting_old - I've also bought products in a pharmacy and they never queried what else I was taking ::)
I tend to stick with what suits me too. Most boxes state that if 1 needs to take medication for more than 3 days 1 should make an appt with a GP. :-\
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Having completed my NVQ4 as a pharmacy technician, I would be sacked if I didn't ask a customer what meds they were on before handing out OTC meds,EVEN paracetamol,that needs to be reported.
Ibuprofen can be way more dangerous than paracetamol to many people,asthmatics,people with liver or kidney issues,people with IBDs,the list goes on,I'd report a pharmacy if they didn't ask the relevant questions,they could be responsible for someone falling seriously ill
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It surprised me too though I didn't think at the time.
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Ibuprofen can be way more dangerous than paracetamol to many people,asthmatics,people with liver or kidney issues,people with IBDs,the list goes on,I'd report a pharmacy if they didn't ask the relevant questions,they could be responsible for someone falling seriously ill
Knowing how dangerous Ibuprofen can be I was shocked at the huge amount of boxes on display on the shelves in my local Sainsburys, you had to look for the Paracetamol as they were so outnumbered by all these red boxes. It would seem to be a very popular painkiller!
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I know a number of people who say that ibuprofen works better for them compared to paracetemol, but I do wonder if there's greater awareness of the risks of too much paracetemol and that plays a part in peoples preferences?
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If the pain is caused by inflammation ibuprofen would work better. I've said a few times on this forum though about the side effects of it. Even with omeprazole it didn't stop it for me. When drugs are mentioned by brand name, people may not know what's in it. But my gastric doctor told me it can damage your stomach and if you've IBS, dont use it.
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It can definitely damage your stomach Jules, it MUST NOT be taken on an empty stomach, supermarkets shouldn't be allowed to sell it,although it's only the 200mg you'll see on the shelves,which only means you take 2 instead of 1 of the 400mg . I have gut issues too and I never use it 🤷♀️
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It can definitely damage your stomach Jules, it MUST NOT be taken on an empty stomach, supermarkets shouldn't be allowed to sell it,although it's only the 200mg you'll see on the shelves,which only means you take 2 instead of 1 of the 400mg . I have gut issues too and I never use it 🤷♀️
I know. A GP actually told me to take it when I had flu and told me to take omeprazole with it. That didn't help.