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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Losingtheplot on May 14, 2023, 08:00:53 AM
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Hi
So I have been taking utrogestan for 12 days 2 x 100mg and stopped on Friday. Ive had terrible gastric issues every morning since starting it and suicidal thoughts, very emotional and teary. Im now back on sandrena gel and no gastric problems this morning ! And thoughts not dark. Has anyone else suffered this on Utrogestan and does the side effect stop?
Additionally I read up on this HRT and it says if you have a history of depression not to take it! Why did my GP prescribe me this when I have a past suffering depression and on Ads??? I am so angry.
I asked for bio identical progesterone as evorel conti gave me awful side effects too many severe headache, extreme tiredness and severe bloating.
Is there any other bio identical progesterone? I think I am peri but due to being on contraceptive implant I don't bleed.
Wish my meno specialist appointment would hurry up! This is month 1 of new HRT. Gel seems to suit me hot flushes stopped, brain fog lifted slightly enough to function
Just unsure about Utrogestan with my history and can't cope with another 12 days of gastric/teary/ dark thoughts again.
I have an appointment with Gp on Wednesday and I know she will probably tell me to stop HRT and stick with Ads but the early morning surge of anxiety and panic seems to be going this is 1st morning its not happened and I cant bare for that to return
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Ultrogestan can cause suicidal thoughts and the person to feel depressed. I am really sorry you are feeling so bad. There are other progesterone options and perhaps one of those will be better for you.
What I notice is the progesterone can be a problem for people with depression or other mental health issues. If you put ultrogestan into the search bar you will find quite a few threads on members feeling depressed taking it.
Is it possible for you to take the mini pill because 2 Desogestrel a day can be used as the progesterone part of HRT. I am so sorry you are feeling so bad. Some members find Provera is better tolerated too.
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Hi Losingtheplot
Utrogestan is biodentical progesterone. Many of us struggle with it unfortunately, there are lots of posts about it on here if you type it into the search box at the top of the page. It seems for some of us progesterone is the problem whether it’s biodentical or not.
Lot’s of us take it sequentially for a minimum period so less time on it equals less side effects.
Other progs are provera and cyclogest. Once again type into the search box for others experiences.
Wishing you luck with your menopause appointment and let us know how you get on x
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Are you using the utrogestan orally? I have only ever used it vaginally but I have heard of ladies having tummy issues with it orally given it needs to be taken on an empty tummy. I avoid putting things through my digestive system where possible as I previously had a bad case of gastritis and only take things orally if I can eat beforehand. I wonder if that might help you.
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Have you thought about having a mirena coil fitted? The hormone released is far less than utrogestan and only released into the womb?
I think progesterone is a pain for many women. The progesterone in femeston is meant to be quite good.
I hope you find a way forward soon, you are having such a tough old time x
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Ultrogestan can cause suicidal thoughts and the person to feel depressed. I am really sorry you are feeling so bad. There are other progesterone options and perhaps one of those will be better for you.
What I notice is the progesterone can be a problem for people with depression or other mental health issues. If you put ultrogestan into the search bar you will find quite a few threads on members feeling depressed taking it.
Is it possible for you to take the mini pill because 2 Desogestrel a day can be used as the progesterone part of HRT. I am so sorry you are feeling so bad. Some members find Provera is better tolerated too.
Hi Flossie
Thank you for replying.
I am currently on the contraceptive implant so don't see why that cant be the progesterone element instead. I will be telling the Gp on wed just how low I felt on Utrogestan as she as the medical professional should have advised a diff progesterone based on my history :'( :'( :'( :'( I may just give the HRT up until my meno appointment whenever that may be as if I had acted on the thoughts I would not be here now! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Hi Losingtheplot
Utrogestan is biodentical progesterone. Many of us struggle with it unfortunately, there are lots of posts about it on here if you type it into the search box at the top of the page. It seems for some of us progesterone is the problem whether it’s biodentical or not.
Lot’s of us take it sequentially for a minimum period so less time on it equals less side effects.
Other progs are provera and cyclogest. Once again type into the search box for others experiences.
Wishing you luck with your menopause appointment and let us know how you get on x
Hi hunni Thankyou I will check other posts. My Gp is very in the dark about HRT and I wish I had the money to pay private. I was told 6 months wait to see meno specialist almost 2 months elapsed. Should get allocated appointment by end of May although actual appointment might not be at least another 2 months away.
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Are you using the utrogestan orally? I have only ever used it vaginally but I have heard of ladies having tummy issues with it orally given it needs to be taken on an empty tummy. I avoid putting things through my digestive system where possible as I previously had a bad case of gastritis and only take things orally if I can eat beforehand. I wonder if that might help you.
Yes orally but I am concerned about the side effects of depression as I suffer that already on and off.
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Have you thought about having a mirena coil fitted? The hormone released is far less than utrogestan and only released into the womb?
I think progesterone is a pain for many women. The progesterone in femeston is meant to be quite good.
I hope you find a way forward soon, you are having such a tough old time x
Hi Nas
Hope your ok hunni. Happy belated birthday btw read on another post. Is Femeston patches? And bio id? As I am sensitive to synthetic. Im on contraceptive implant and that releases progesterone so need a medical professional to advise if thats suitable as my GP doesn't have a clue. I would consider mirena just scared I guess as if doesnt suit. I have 2 more years on implant as lasts 3 years. Just confused about what to do
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Ah I didn’t know that the implant released progesterone too. That would solve all your issues if you could just stay on that and ditch the utrogestan. Maybe you are getting too much p then?
What about emailing Dr Currie on here ? She may have an answer for you.
The progesterone in femeston is very gentle and body identical ( I think 🤔) it begins with a d and ends with an l. Femeston comes in tablet form only.
Bloody progesterone. It’s a right royal pain in the bum! Xxx
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Yes I have told my Gp about the implant releasing progesterone but she seems baffled about whether its sufficient.
Thats a good suggestion about asking Dr Currie sorry to be thick but how do I contact her and does she charge a fee? Ive managed to find some info on the net to say that there is no evidence re whether the progesterone in implant is sufficient for protection this is disappointing but I will contact Dr Currie to confirm
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Hey lovely,
If you click on CONTACT in the pink box at the top of the homepage, it will come up with Ask Dr Currie a question. She charges £30.
She is well known in the menopause world. My gynaecologist recommends her and this forum for advice.
😊x
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Well I had progesterone vaginally added 2 weeks ago for bloating but can’t stand the headache and change in mood so I have stopped it. I have the coil. I’m on oestrogen 25 patch down from 50 as my boobs were so painful and I was bloated so despite my oestrogen being in the normal range on bloods my symptoms were showing oestrogen dominance. I had a low progesterone on my bloods but I can’t stand the headaches and low mood on it. Boobs feeling better today. I didn’t sleep much last night took brufen 400 and headache has eased and I took a good walk. I’ll see what this week brings on this new arrangement. I’m sick of the weight gain so
Looking at options for that!
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Hey lovely,
If you click on CONTACT in the pink box at the top of the homepage, it will come up with Ask Dr Currie a question. She charges £30.
She is well known in the menopause world. My gynaecologist recommends her and this forum for advice.
😊x
Ok thanks hunni xxx
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Need some advice considering that Utrogestan is not recommended if you suffer depression which I do should I carry on for another 2 months to see how things go or ask my Gp for another bio id progesterone as synthetic gives me bad side effects. I have an appointment with GP on Wednesday and have to tell her what I need as she has no idea of HRT.
I am just so fed up not sure what other bio id progesterone there is couldn't find another one for peri
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Hi Sweetie,
I feel so much for you, the contstant trials to get a regime that works. We know all medication can have side affects, but some of what the hrt adds is too much and you are having some awful reactions as you search for the best combinations. It can be hard to struggle on to the recommended trial period when changing our doses.
I did not get on with utrogestan, and had the mirena coil fitted which works best for me. But I think you have the contraceptive implant that releases progesterone?? But don't know if it is feasible to sell these two? I hope someone with more knowledge can help you, so in turn you can tell the Dr your needs..But mad that isn't it.
Thinking of you xx
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Hi Losingtheplot,
I read your post with interest and I would like to share my experience of utrogestan in case it helps.
I was initially taking utrogestan vaginally at night before bed, however I was still struggling with side effects, chronic anxiety and strangely enough it did not sedate it affected my sleep. I started taking it orally at night, but was still having the same issues.
I have started using the utrogestan vaginally in the mornings, I insert it and then I rest for about 1 hour to make sure it's absorbed etc. I have found since doing this, my chronic anxiety is so much better.
I don't know if this helps or not xxx
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Hi Losingtheplot,
I read your post with interest and I would like to share my experience of utrogestan in case it helps.
I was initially taking utrogestan vaginally at night before bed, however I was still struggling with side effects, chronic anxiety and strangely enough it did not sedate it affected my sleep. I started taking it orally at night, but was still having the same issues.
I have started using the utrogestan vaginally in the mornings, I insert it and then I rest for about 1 hour to make sure it's absorbed etc. I have found since doing this, my chronic anxiety is so much better.
I don't know if this helps or not xxx
Hi discogirl
Ahh thats very interesting so do you insert the tablets that you took orally? I would defo give this a try? Sorry to be graphic but how do you insert them do you use an applicator like what you get with ovestin and insert high up?
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Hi Sweetie,
I feel so much for you, the contstant trials to get a regime that works. We know all medication can have side affects, but some of what the hrt adds is too much and you are having some awful reactions as you search for the best combinations. It can be hard to struggle on to the recommended trial period when changing our doses.
I did not get on with utrogestan, and had the mirena coil fitted which works best for me. But I think you have the contraceptive implant that releases progesterone?? But don't know if it is feasible to sell these two? I hope someone with more knowledge can help you, so in turn you can tell the Dr your needs..But mad that isn't it.
Thinking of you xx
Hey hunni
Yes its just a bloody nightmare. I really feel like coming off HRT. The sandrena gel seems to be helping though its the progesterone I need tweaking. It seems there isnt enough evidence to suggest whether the contraceptive implant provides sufficent progesterone for the womb lining. I am tempted to get the implant out and get the mini pill as Flossie suggested to see what is happening with my body. I could be post meno now as my pelvic scan showed ovaries shrunk and shrivelled. So if that was the case I would need diff HRT yet again. Just can't decide what to do.
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hi losingtheplot
yes you insert the same capsule that you use orally for vaginal use. I dont use an applicator i just insert it as high as i can. Although you could use an applicator.
I do rest for about an hour after ive inserted it although i appreciate if you work this may not be possible.
the side effects i have found using it vaginally are much less. i have always had mental health issues amd taking the utro orally gives me chronic anxiety. vaginal use my anxiety is minimal.
taking it vaginally at night was affecting my sleep but morning vaginal use for me seems to work.
i will obviously update if anything changes. this what works for me however we are all different.
take care xxx
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hi losingtheplot
yes you insert the same capsule that you use orally for vaginal use. I dont use an applicator i just insert it as high as i can. Although you could use an applicator.
I do rest for about an hour after ive inserted it although i appreciate if you work this may not be possible.
the side effects i have found using it vaginally are much less. i have always had mental health issues amd taking the utro orally gives me chronic anxiety. vaginal use my anxiety is minimal.
taking it vaginally at night was affecting my sleep but morning vaginal use for me seems to work.
i will obviously update if anything changes. this what works for me however we are all different.
take care xxx
Ahh thats certainly something I will try! I use ovestin on a night time so think it may get too messy if I use vaginally on a night with Utrogestan too not sure if one might react with the other. I do appreciate you sharing this with me though hunni.
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I can't help, I wish I could, but I wanted to say you are not alone. I'm another one who cannot bear the progesterone part of HRT, I was happy on tibolone, but I still had periods on it, so I'm not allowed it now :'(
I'm on Evorel50 because I reacted very badly to Evorel Conti, suicidal thoughts, bad mood about everything, zero interest in sex. Ought to be called the divorce patch. It took away the sweats, but wasn't worth it overall.
Now I'm trialling provera for 4 months :'( :'( :'( :'(
That's a crying face for every one of those months, I've done one month, twelve days of provera 10 mg, same reaction, first few days ok, then it builds up to levels where you feel you are wading through it and nothing else is as big in life as trying to cope with those awful side effects.
First month I took four days off sick, would have been more if the weekend hadn't come along, I could barely move from the sofa to get to the loo, I was better the day after not taking it any more, gradually improving until a week later I felt normal again.
Now I'm facing the prospect of having to take it again from tomorrow, I'm doing it differently. I bleed anyway, whether the progesterone part is taken or not, so I'm halving my dose to 5mg provera and adding in 1.25mg of tibolone, I have 58 of those left over.
It's my body after all and I know 10mg of provera is not good for me, I was ill both physically and mentally, only during the provera part of last month.
Let me explain my logic.
Tibolone provides the body with easy ingredients to convert to hormones that even old bodies like ours can cope with, lol. The literature says when tibolone is taken no extra progesterone is required, but the dose then was 2.5mg. So I will trial this half dose of both and see if that is manageable because tibolone actually gives your mood a lift, it's so unlike other progesterones.
I had to wait 8 months for the menopause clinic appointment to give me HRT after Evorel Conti, because my GP seemed to think I was making it up about feeling suicidal when I told her I wanted to jump off a bridge. I was already crying in a panic when she phoned that afternoon, the GP system is that you try for a call at 8.30am then if you are lucky a doctor phones you any time during the next nine hours or sometimes at 6pm you'll get a text saying sorry, the doctor can't phone after all, try again tomorrow. Say the word menopause and you're almost guaranteed to be the non urgent one at the bottom of the list that never gets a call.
Anyway, I'd been ok making the appointment, but was in the middle of a progesterone induced meltdown when she phoned. She wasn't impressed, I wasn't my usual self and it was held against me. She kept saying it wasn't possible for me to have a bad reaction to Evorel Conti because it's bioidentical, but of course we know that it's only the non problematic oestrogen part that is bioidentical, seems my GP only looked at the banner, not the whole advert, but she wasn't taking my word for it, we were close to having an argument about it.
The menopause clinic wrote to her and included very specifically that the progesterone part of Evorel Conti very often produces these side effects, :) next time we spoke was 10 months later so it was all forgotten anyway.
It is a roller coaster and it's quite obvious that instead of paying for adequate controlled testing of these medicines, it's assumed women won't make a fuss or need paid like men would if they were used as guinea pigs. We are the guinea pigs for these medicines they seem to know so little about any of it.
Ahh bless you hunni xxxx big massive hugs. I know the mental side so much its just exhausting and v v scary.
I was fine on evorel 50 sequi but conti I couldnt tolerate bloating, severe headache, extreme tiredness.
Im so fed up. My intense chest burning has stopped and achy joints although that could be supplement related. As my anxiety has been so bad I'm now back on Ads. The Propananol I take on a as and need basis isnt helping. Ive taken 2 x10mg at 6am for palpatations and my heart is beating out my chest again for past hour!!!
I may ask GP for diff anti anxiety meds as I can't function like this. Ive been off work for a week and seeing GP on wed for a sicknote. I am not functioning and really ready to give up on HRT and just take supplements and Ads, anti anxiety meds
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hi losingtheplot
could you maybe trial using the utro vaginally in the mornings see how you get on xx
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hi losingtheplot
could you maybe trial using the utro vaginally in the mornings see how you get on xx
Hi Discogirl
Yes thats my plan depending on how long I am off work I may be able to trial it. My hubby wakes at 4.30 for work every morning so I would wake then to insert and when I do work I leave home at 6.15 so that gives plenty of time for the capsules to absorb. It's worth a try as Im now in 2nd month of the HRT so atleast I can say I've tried it both ways fingers crossed it suits me better thanks again hunni xxx
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I really hope it works for you xxx
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Thanks me too. I have quite bad VA high up too which is settling but still sore and burning so have to see if I can tolerate the capsules. Still 12 days till I use utrogestan again so things might of settled by then. If no joy have to consider mirena potentially after getting implant out first. I do think that I may be post meno though and only way of finding that out is to be on no hormone related contraceptive or HRT I guess x
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Hi Losingtheplot
VA is awful.
At least you have a plan going forward with the coil and stuff.
If this helps, Besins Healthcare gives the following information regarding the absorption of utrogestan vaginally:-
"Utrogestan is normally absorbed within minutes of insertion, however, it is advised that you wait 15 minutes before showering and 30 minutes before having sexual intercourse or swimming"
and it also gives this information regarding insertion of the capsule vaginally:-
"Place the Utrogestan capsule on the tip of your finger and insert as far as possible into your vagina. You do not need to lie flat following insertion of Utrogestan"
The information Besins gave is for women undergoing fertility treatment, but I should imagine the absorption and insertion would be the same for women using it for hrt purposes as well.
Just in case it helps xxx
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Hi Losingtheplot
VA is awful.
At least you have a plan going forward with the coil and stuff.
If this helps, Besins Healthcare gives the following information regarding the absorption of utrogestan vaginally:-
"Utrogestan is normally absorbed within minutes of insertion, however, it is advised that you wait 15 minutes before showering and 30 minutes before having sexual intercourse or swimming"
and it also gives this information regarding insertion of the capsule vaginally:-
"Place the Utrogestan capsule on the tip of your finger and insert as far as possible into your vagina. You do not need to lie flat following insertion of Utrogestan"
The information Besins gave is for women undergoing fertility treatment, but I should imagine the absorption and insertion would be the same for women using it for hrt purposes as well.
Just in case it helps xxx
It sure is never realised what it was until I joined this forum!
Ahh hunni how very kind of you thank you so much. This is so helpful and I will defo give this way a try.
Your a proper gem discogirl xxxxx
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Anything to help. this is a place where we are definately in it together.
take care and keep in touch xxx
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Hi Sweetie,
I feel so much for you, the contstant trials to get a regime that works. We know all medication can have side affects, but some of what the hrt adds is too much and you are having some awful reactions as you search for the best combinations. It can be hard to struggle on to the recommended trial period when changing our doses.
I did not get on with utrogestan, and had the mirena coil fitted which works best for me. But I think you have the contraceptive implant that releases progesterone?? But don't know if it is feasible to sell these two? I hope someone with more knowledge can help you, so in turn you can tell the Dr your needs..But mad that isn't it.
Thinking of you xx
Hope your ok hunni? Xxx
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Disco girl gave good advice there, I have also read that guidance. I didn't risk taking it orally due to long term anxiety and previous depression. I take the 12 days utrogestan but only half the dose, 1 pill vaginally evenings/night. It absorbs pretty quickly and I can't say its had any detriment to my MH. I'm on my second month now. Best of luck!
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Disco girl gave good advice there, I have also read that guidance. I didn't risk taking it orally due to long term anxiety and previous depression. I take the 12 days utrogestan but only half the dose, 1 pill vaginally evenings/night. It absorbs pretty quickly and I can't say its had any detriment to my MH. I'm on my second month now. Best of luck!
Hi Emma74
Thats good to hear. I will check with my GP tomorrow if I need to use 2 x100mg as per oral dosage for vaginally use.
Pleased it helps you taking it this way its given me alot more hope that it may suit me better hearing it works for both you and discogirl esp suffering same as me.
Take care hunni xxx
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Hiya
Thanks for asking. Still got pms symptoms 5 days on (!) But feel a bit better emotionally.. Greatly thanks to all the backup support and advice on this forum.😍 and all the amazing women who help us all.
I hope things begin to ease out for you too... Like a never-ending vicious circle sometimes.🙄
Hugs as always xx
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Hiya
Thanks for asking. Still got pms symptoms 5 days on (!) But feel a bit better emotionally.. Greatly thanks to all the backup support and advice on this forum.😍 and all the amazing women who help us all.
I hope things begin to ease out for you too... Like a never-ending vicious circle sometimes.🙄
Hugs as always xx
Ahh hunni bless you. Will run its course soon if your 5 days in. You will get there hunni. You are a very strong person I can tell from all you go thru yet you are still here for others and help me with your lovely kind replies.
Take care hunni and lets hope this shit storm is over soon xxxxx biggest hugs xxx
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:thankyou: :foryou:xx
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:thankyou: :foryou:xx
Thank you xxx
Forgot to mention I have my tekephone assessment today for therapy xx
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:thankyou: :foryou:xx
Thank you xxx
Forgot to mention I have my tekephone assessment today for therapy xx
Good luck with the assessment. Just remember to be honest and say how you really feel. They are there to help and not judge you.
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:thankyou: :foryou:xx
Thank you xxx
Forgot to mention I have my tekephone assessment today for therapy xx
Good luck with the assessment. Just remember to be honest and say how you really feel. They are there to help and not judge you.
Thank you I will. I think as I suffer depression anyway stopping anti ds last July has maybe interfered with peri meno symptoms although I have never suffered panic attacks or such bad anxiety out of the blue before. These do seem to be subsiding I am happy to say but whether its the HRT helping or Ads kicking in I am just happy things are improving. Ive used Fluoxetine for a number of years so it might not be effective anymore but brain fog and confusion is improved a symptom I get alot with depression the ability to forget simple words. I do feel this has had a hormonal elememt to it also this time however. Hope your ok and things are manageable for you lovely xxx
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That makes sense. Having depression and then coming off the AD's may have contributed to your low mood and that mixed in with peri would have made it even worse.
It is great to hear things have improved for you though. I am okay thank you. :)
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That makes sense. Having depression and then coming off the AD's may have contributed to your low mood and that mixed in with peri would have made it even worse.
It is great to hear things have improved for you though. I am okay thank you. :)
At the time I came off the Ads I wasnt depressed but I had been on them for 15 years and with help of my GP tapered them down. I know I need Ads to function as otherwise I slip back down eventually. Didn't help that I suffered start of a frozen shoulder at time of stopping Ads so that ended up being very stressful over time but I seemed to manage my stress levels for most of the rest of the year.
I now will never stop Ads again as I need them to live a quality of life and obviously peri has hit too. I am getting there slowly not ready to go back to work yet need more time to concentrate on me still. Joining a fitness centre where I have done yoga in past and the classes were amazing but stopped when covid hit. No spaces left for this week but I will get booked onto next weeks sessions. I can see some light and that is a start for me. Appetite is still bad but I know I will get there. I will be totally honest on the assessment today am after coping strategies really as Ive had counselling about my past and know things from my childhood have shaped my brain into a certain way of thinking I may beable to change that over time I know its not easy though.
Have a lovely day Flossie.xxx
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That makes sense. Having depression and then coming off the AD's may have contributed to your low mood and that mixed in with peri would have made it even worse.
It is great to hear things have improved for you though. I am okay thank you. :)
At the time I came off the Ads I wasnt depressed but I had been on them for 15 years and with help of my GP tapered them down. I know I need Ads to function as otherwise I slip back down eventually. Didn't help that I suffered start of a frozen shoulder at time of stopping Ads so that ended up being very stressful over time but I seemed to manage my stress levels for most of the rest of the year.
I now will never stop Ads again as I need them to live a quality of life and obviously peri has hit too. I am getting there slowly not ready to go back to work yet need more time to concentrate on me still. Joining a fitness centre where I have done yoga in past and the classes were amazing but stopped when covid hit. No spaces left for this week but I will get booked onto next weeks sessions. I can see some light and that is a start for me. Appetite is still bad but I know I will get there. I will be totally honest on the assessment today am after coping strategies really as Ive had counselling about my past and know things from my childhood have shaped my brain into a certain way of thinking I may beable to change that over time I know its not easy though.
Have a lovely day Flossie.xxx
I understand it is not easy but it is so lovely to hear how positive you sound especially after your mood has been so low lately.
Thank you. I hope you have a lovely day too. :)
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That makes sense. Having depression and then coming off the AD's may have contributed to your low mood and that mixed in with peri would have made it even worse.
It is great to hear things have improved for you though. I am okay thank you. :)
At the time I came off the Ads I wasnt depressed but I had been on them for 15 years and with help of my GP tapered them down. I know I need Ads to function as otherwise I slip back down eventually. Didn't help that I suffered start of a frozen shoulder at time of stopping Ads so that ended up being very stressful over time but I seemed to manage my stress levels for most of the rest of the year.
I now will never stop Ads again as I need them to live a quality of life and obviously peri has hit too. I am getting there slowly not ready to go back to work yet need more time to concentrate on me still. Joining a fitness centre where I have done yoga in past and the classes were amazing but stopped when covid hit. No spaces left for this week but I will get booked onto next weeks sessions. I can see some light and that is a start for me. Appetite is still bad but I know I will get there. I will be totally honest on the assessment today am after coping strategies really as Ive had counselling about my past and know things from my childhood have shaped my brain into a certain way of thinking I may beable to change that over time I know its not easy though.
Have a lovely day Flossie.xxx
I understand it is not easy but it is so lovely to hear how positive you sound especially after your mood has been so low lately.
Thank you. I hope you have a lovely day too. :)
Ahh thank you I am trying to stay positive xxx
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Well I had progesterone vaginally added 2 weeks ago for bloating but can’t stand the headache and change in mood so I have stopped it. I have the coil. I’m on oestrogen 25 patch down from 50 as my boobs were so painful and I was bloated so despite my oestrogen being in the normal range on bloods my symptoms were showing oestrogen dominance. I had a low progesterone on my bloods but I can’t stand the headaches and low mood on it. Boobs feeling better today. I didn’t sleep much last night took brufen 400 and headache has eased and I took a good walk. I’ll see what this week brings on this new arrangement. I’m sick of the weight gain so
Looking at options for that!
Hey Carrie
Its a shame the vaginally didnt suit you. And what awful side effects you had. Hope the coil is suiting you better? Its just a bloody nightmare isnt it.
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hi losingtheplot
could you maybe trial using the utro vaginally in the mornings see how you get on xx
Hey hunni
Just wondering do you use half the dose vaginally? Just I will ask my GP tomorrow but she isnt very clued up and I am currently prescribed 2 x 100mg of utro orally.
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Hi Losingtheplot
How did the assessment for therapy go? I'm afraid for my own case it is a six month waiting list, so I shall stay on the list, they will checking me in 3 months. I understand the wait, the assessment is needed to prioritise people's needs.
I just know in my own case the anxiety and symptoms from that is 100% most severe with my own cycle . So for 20 days or so I am okayish, I can cope and I don't feel a danger as such, but I dip so much in the lead up to my period. So, I am riding it out in the hope that the increased hrt will suppress my natural cycle and so even out the moods. I can up the dose to 125 in needed and have the option for anti anxiety drugs during the pms \pmdd build up.So I feel I have a back up, a safety net if need be.
I so hope your own assessment went ok, you are so honest in your posts and I am certain these can help.others who may be feeling the same. Mental health always had such a stigma, and so many still feel an unwarranted shame if they are suffering. But I believe that the Mind needs treating as much as the body's physical needs too.
I strongly believe it is never a weakness to seek help, but is in fact a strength, especially at a time when we can feel so low.
You are going through so much, but honestly, you are doing so well
Take care xx
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Hey Sarah
It went really well thanks. Like you though I am on a 6 -8 month waiting list! The lady who did the assessment has referred me for high intense CBT.
Ahh I really hope your increased HRT helps you through your difficult time. I can tell you are trying different options to help your situation and I honestly hope you find a solution soon. I hope your day today hasnt been too bad.
Thank you hunni I like to share my history with mental illness as I suffered for years thinking I was abnormal, weak, a freak and its easy to forget that mental health is a illness and feel like your the only one that suffers it. Your so right the Mind does need treatment but people forget that.
I do hope my posts help other people. I know your posts help me and the encouragement too. Sometimes we have to let it all out. I can feel things improving like everyone on here said they would lets hope it continues xxxxx I really hope the rest of your cycle passes with as little symptoms as possible. You are almost there xxxx
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Good luck with your GP appointment today, if you are post meno a way to avoid progesterone is with tibolone, it has a positive effect on mood, unlike any other HRT I've tried! I'd encourage you to ask about it.
My son is a doctor (not for menopause though) and endorsed my use of tibolone as a very standard treatment with fewer side effects.
I couldn't agree more, but either few others have tried it, or those on it don't frequent this forum and can just get on with life!
Can I get it again after I'm 54? I hope so, it's bound up in arbitrary rules like numerical age that are given without any explanation.
Hey hunni
Thank you hunni.
I have no definite answer as to whether I am post meno as I dont bleed on my contraceptive implant and haven't had bleeds on either of the HRT I am on so that is what I am going off. Plus my pelvic vaginal scan showed ovaries shrunk right down and sonographer indicated thats a good sign that I am more than likely meno.
I am just feeling angry, irritable and fed up today. Everything is a huge effort for me pretty much everyday. The mornings are the worst. Panic attacks and the awful early morning anixety isnt as crippling in one respect as it was. But its still there with racing thoughts in my mind. I am not contemplating doing anything to myself but just looking back at how much my life has been plagued by mental illness and feel sick and tired of it all. I could kick myself for coming off Ads last July! What the hell was I thinking. Now with peri meno or meno or what ever the hell I am the anxiety is worst its ever been. I just want to feel better again. 12 days on Fluoxetine that has helped me in the past but don't know yet if its helping again. At my Gp appointment I will ask about taking utrogestan vaginally and the amount I need to insert this way however I feel my GP won't know the answer. She didn't even want me to make a follow up appointment in 3 months for this HRT as she hoped I would have meno specialist appointment by then. I have to wait till atleast Sept /Oct before I will be seen. Physical symptoms such as hot intense chest burning has stopped, brain fog to a degree. I just can't decide what to do. Maybe carry on with HRT until I see meno specialist hoping my anxiety improves. Out of interest how is Tibolone administered? Sorry for long negative post just not feeling very positive today
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So sorry to hear today is a bad day. I would say 12 days is still quite early to know if the fluoxetine is going to help. If you have clinical depression then I feel they do take longer to help. Along with your hormones not being stable it is bound to have an affect on your mood. Please do not blame yourself for stopping the AD's. So many people have done that thinking they no longer need them. You are really not the only one who has done this and now you are back on them and will feel the benefit.
It is okay to feel angry. You have a lot to be angry about. I know how hard it is to wait to see a meno specialist and I really hope you do not have too long to wait.
Having the pysical symptoms improve is fantastic. It can take time for HRT to help with anxiety. That seems to be one of the last symptoms to improve. I know that is not easy to hear but I just wanted you to know that so you have some hope.
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Hi sweetie... Well. Yep I certainly know how bloody hard some days are.
Trying hard to stay positive when every day seems to swap one bloody symptom for another and it just seems endless.
I agree so much with Flossie. It's ok to feel the entire host of emotions you do. Because this whole hormonal stuff is Crap and unfair. I am indeed one of those who stopped Ad's thinking the hrt could cover all the mood side too...hmm. Not such a good idea in retrospect maybe.
Yesterday, I wrote a list of positive things that I have felt peri wise.. No bleeds (mostly) due to mirena coil was my number one. I found seven things to be positive about.. And your burning chest pain be relieved is good. Like you, I have so much negative and ever changing stuff going on, so it really helped me to write down some improvements so I could plainly see some good stuff for a change!
You always always boost me when I need it, whilst today is another bad one, your previous posts have shown some real improvements and the changes in medication you are making show real strength and determination.
Sending love and hugs. Am with you in spirit xx😍
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So sorry to hear today is a bad day. I would say 12 days is still quite early to know if the fluoxetine is going to help. If you have clinical depression then I feel they do take longer to help. Along with your hormones not being stable it is bound to have an affect on your mood. Please do not blame yourself for stopping the AD's. So many people have done that thinking they no longer need them. You are really not the only one who has done this and now you are back on them and will feel the benefit.
It is okay to feel angry. You have a lot to be angry about. I know how hard it is to wait to see a meno specialist and I really hope you do not have too long to wait.
Having the pysical symptoms improve is fantastic. It can take time for HRT to help with anxiety. That seems to be one of the last symptoms to improve. I know that is not easy to hear but I just wanted you to know that so you have some hope.
Thank you Flossie xxxx The problem is I don't know whether I do have depression although I do have a history of it. My symptoms are intense anxiety with lack of motivation as its gone on for so long. But I understand that Fluoxetine can help with anxiety too. It is different to depression as I find come an evening I am not as bad where with depression it was a black cloud the whole day. I know I need to give Ads longer and if anything today is the 1st time in a few weeks ive felt anger and irritability. Its mainly been up and down with sadness and anxiety.
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Hi sweetie... Well. Yep I certainly know how bloody hard some days are.
Trying hard to stay positive when every day seems to swap one bloody symptom for another and it just seems endless.
I agree so much with Flossie. It's ok to feel the entire host of emotions you do. Because this whole hormonal stuff is Crap and unfair. I am indeed one of those who stopped Ad's thinking the hrt could cover all the mood side too...hmm. Not such a good idea in retrospect maybe.
Yesterday, I wrote a list of positive things that I have felt peri wise.. No bleeds (mostly) due to mirena coil was my number one. I found seven things to be positive about.. And your burning chest pain be relieved is good. Like you, I have so much negative and ever changing stuff going on, so it really helped me to write down some improvements so I could plainly see some good stuff for a change!
You always always boost me when I need it, whilst today is another bad one, your previous posts have shown some real improvements and the changes in medication you are making show real strength and determination.
Sending love and hugs. Am with you in spirit xx😍
Hey Sarah
Thank you I am just sick.of it all. And you know what your right I need to focus on what has improved! What a good suggestion.
I have just spent most of today with the shakes and its just getting to me I guess
I have taken 2 anti anxiety tablets so hope they calm the shaking down. I have GP appointment soon and think she will tell me to stick.with Ads as only 12 days in but I really am fed up.as you can read.
Thank you for the tips I will write down positives as that's the frame of mind I need and to see how far I have come.
Take care hunni big love as always xx
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Well had my Gp appointment mentioned gastric and nausea issues and the dark thoughts I had but GP thinks Ads will be causing these issues as I did literally start taking them at the same time as Utrogestan.
So Ive been given some antacid tabilets to take before I take my Ads to protect my stomach.
And to continue on HRT regime I am on. I forgot to mention ovestin to my GP. I should of made bullet points! Hopefully I can get ovestin on repeat can feel its helping higher up for sure but further down still got burning.
Has only been 2 weeks of nightly use. So think I will continue nightly instead of twice weekly after loaded dose
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Well had my Gp appointment mentioned gastric and nausea issues and the dark thoughts I had but GP thinks Ads will be causing these issues as I did literally start taking them at the same time as Utrogestan.
So Ive been given some antacid tabilets to take before I take my Ads to protect my stomach.
And to continue on HRT regime I am on. I forgot to mention ovestin to my GP. I should of made bullet points! Hopefully I can get ovestin on repeat can feel its helping higher up for sure but further down still got burning.
Has only been 2 weeks of nightly use. So think I will continue nightly instead of twice weekly after loaded dose
It is good the GP listened to you. I have heard fluoxetine can cause upset stomachs. Hopefully once your body is used to them then this will settle.
Two weeks is still very early for Ovestin so do not feel disheartened if you still have symptoms. Perhaps you can send your GP a message asking for it to be on your repeat prescriptions rather then to make another appointment.
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Hi Flossie
Yes I remember in past when restarting Fluoxetine it causes nausea, diarrhoea and upset tummy. Why do medicines have side effects! My GP is lovely and I will ring the surgery tomorrow to get a message to her about repeat ovestin.
She was also very supportive of me taking time off work and said I had done the right thing which was nice to hear
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Hi Flossie
Yes I remember in past when restarting Fluoxetine it causes nausea, diarrhoea and upset tummy. Why do medicines have side effects! My GP is lovely and I will ring the surgery tomorrow to get a message to her about repeat ovestin.
She was also very supportive of me taking time off work and said I had done the right thing which was nice to hear
How lovely to hear you have an understanding GP. That makes a world of difference. Yes, it is annoying that medications have so many side effects. Hopefully they will wear off soon for you.
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Thanks Flossie here's hoping. I will get there everyday is a step closer
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Hi Losingtheplot,
Tibolone is one tablet a day, 2.5mg and the only effect it had on my mood was positive. The side effects were swollen ankles, increased appetite (incuding appetite for life in general) and extra energy. I didn't like swollen ankles, but they won't make me top myself, lol.
I want tibolone back ASAP. It goes well with fluoxetine too which is my savior and has been for many years. Hormones have disrupted my mental health for decades and fluoxetine helps massively every time I've been allowed it.
In the meanwhile, I'm suffering again on the third day of the progesterone part and this is the last time I'm taking MPA. I halved my dose to 5mg because I needed time off work last month on 10mg, I was genuinely very ill feeling, like a flu, not a cold, temperature disturbance, fatigue, brain fog, too wobbly on my feet to go further than the bathroom, nausea but no vomiting this time thanks to citirizine.
After this cycle I'm quitting this version of HRT, while I'm really enjoying my temperature control, I've not had control of that since my natural periods stopped over two years ago, it is too much to have to spend half my life unable to function just so I can have two good weeks a month, after my period and the MPA finish. While I see those two weeks are a bit better than before, the payback is far too harsh to make it worthwhile, I'd be a suicide risk every month, how is that better?
I read this morning about how the stats have been misrepresented over the years leading to confusion, how 41% of UK universities teaching medicine don't have any mandatory menopause training for those new young doctors, it's largely ignored and how menopause is the time when a woman is most likely to take her own life. Not to mention how MPA is associated with breast cancer as an endocrine disruptor like many pollutants from dodgy plastic wraps on food to diesel fumes in your lungs and it doesn't even reduce your risk of cancer overall, at best it switches endo cancer to breast cancer.
I'm not convinced they have a clue what they are doing, every prediction they make turns out to be as far from the truth as can be.
Periods don't return after over 12 months naturally period free - wrong
Tibolone won't make you bleed - wrong
Evorel Conti is entirely bioidentical - wrong
Tibolone is safer for you, we can't give you normal HRT with high BP - opposite of the truth
Progesterones make you feel all warm and cosy - like Hell is meant to be warm and cosy perhaps?
Hey hunni
I just don't know what stage I am at with peri or meno just don't want to risk disturbing my periods as on contraceptive implant I don't bleed and can't deal with getting that out to potentially suffer heavy bleeds. I'm not bleeding in this HRT either but medically no one I feel will take this as meaning I am post. My joint pain has improved loads so not sure if thats HRT or vits I am taking. Hot flushes, brain fog and anxiety settling although not sure if my body getting oestrogen has improved things the latter maybe due to Fluoxetine. I feel I can now atleast function and appetite coming back.
Will try months 2 and 3 on Utrogestan then decide if it agrees with me or not. Things are settling and I just want a quality of life like most people. I don't want to stop HRT as couldn't bear for symptoms to return. Guess have to play it by ear till my meno specialist appointment. Let's see what next use of Utrogestan brings as I am now on Fluoxetine may counter any suicide feelings utro may bring on. I know your situation is awful and I hope you manage to get Tibolone prescribed again xxx
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Hey hunni
Thanks I am getting there slowly but surely. As for the progestrone I have asked my Gp about the contraceptive implant which I believe is Nexplanon being used as the progestrone part of HRT and she didnt know the answer so just prescribed progesterone! I have had a look online and seems not enough evidence to show the implant offers sufficient protection. I have planned on asking the meno specialist about this. I am so sorry your having an awful time at the min. Its such a bloody minefield this HRT malarkey.
I wish you luck in your appointment and hope you get sorted.
As for your husband he needs to realise this is out of your control big hugs xxx