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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Losingtheplot on May 11, 2023, 02:24:05 PM
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So I have been having awful morning anxiety waking at 3am/4am every morning for the past 8 weeks. Does this ever go away? I am just so exhausted with it now and it has me feeling so low. I get awful jittery churning feeling in my stomach followed by nausea and its starting to control my life.
I am on HRT and started Ads almost a week ago. I broke down in tears to hubby this morning as I am so exhausted and its gone on for so long.
I have beta blockers s too but don't feel these help very much. Im now off work on sick leave as I am not coping
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Hi sweetheart,
It's all so hard isn't it? Especially when you are doing everything you can to help yourself. Do it all right and still feel so bad. Overwhelming at times isn't it. None of us deserve this.
Whilst my sleep is broken, I am now on otc sleeping tablets to help get a better sleep. Leaves me a bit drowsy next day, so I only take half.
Not sure this would work best for you to add something else into the mix whilst your other medication is still taking to full effect.
I am glad your husband could comfort you. Also to take some much needed time off work. I'm sorry I am not much help practically, someone else is bound to offer some proper advice. Just wanted to say hello, and sorry that it's all so shite.
Sending you a much needed hug. You aren't alone sweetie, you are listened to and cared for. Xx
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So sorry you are suffering like this, I can only echo Sarah’s kind words to you.
I’m not much help at the moment and going through a bad few days but wanted to know I care and support you.
Trust me this will go away, everything passes and nothing stays the same, even though it is hard to believe that right now. You will come through this bad time, I’m sure of that. It’s so unfair that we all have to go through this and trying different things is all trial and error but you will get there in the end, I promise.
Sorry I can’t offer any practical advice either, but we are here for you xx
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Ahh hello my lovely fellow sufferer hope your doing ok hunni
It is so difficult your right. I am pleased the sleeping tablets are helping you. I manage to get to sleep ok mainly out of pure exhaustion! Just other symptoms I have had seemed to have settled but not this one. Ive had to take time off work as its all hit me so hard and the mental side effects are just wearing me down with early morning wake ups.
Hoping all is well with you my hunni thanks for caring that means so much and ditto always here to help if I can big hugs xxxx
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So sorry you are suffering like this, I can only echo Sarah’s kind words to you.
I’m not much help at the moment and going through a bad few days but wanted to know I care and support you.
Trust me this will go away, everything passes and nothing stays the same, even though it is hard to believe that right now. You will come through this bad time, I’m sure of that. It’s so unfair that we all have to go through this and trying different things is all trial and error but you will get there in the end, I promise.
Sorry I can’t offer any practical advice either, but we are here for you xx
Hey Torijj
Ahh thank you for the kind words its just gone on for so long now and I just needed to hear someone say that it will pass hopefully sooner rather than later! Hope your bad days pass soon hunni bless you.
Take care xxx
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Hi Tori,
You still having a worse few days? Have things picked up at all for you?
I get losingtheplot. In that some symptoms begin to show some improvement, so we almost feel like we are in a tentative ' recovery ' and then something smacks us down again so it seems relentless.
It's my pms\pmdd week again, same for you? I genuinely began to feel some of the physical peri symptoms felt less severe, and a bit more energy which of course helps me mentally, and then, regular as clockwork, the pms kicks in. Teary, moody, totally exhausted, sore boobs the works.
Am rereading your post to losingtheplot. That it will pass, nothing stays the same. But isn't it exhausting in every way??
Your words help us, and I hope your own words help you too. China up ladies. Maybe next month will be even better. I think this month was better than last so will take that as an encouraging sign.
Take care xx
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Well put Sarah xxxx Pleased your not as bad as you usually get at this time xxx
Tori
We are here for you hunni xxx
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I don't know what is happening to me :'( :'( :'( I am in floods if tears can't stop crying. Every morning I have such bad gastric issues makes me nauseous. I have had breakfast even though I didn't want any due to feeling sickly. I feel so fed up. I have recently started Ads again and one of the side effects is nausea ( I have had this before) Anyone have any tips on what I can take to stop my stomach feeling so gassy and sickly. I took a Lansaprazole tablet this morning before my breakfast and have done past 3 mornings.
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Early morning anxiety surges = nausea were my worst symptoms. Anytime from 3.30 a.m. >:(
How do U take the betablockas? For several years I had 40mg then dropped to 20mg every night to ease any cortisol surges. As well as ADs and an emergency anti-anxiety medication.
Don't fight the tears. If Nature didn't want us to cry she wouldn't have given us feelings. R U able to describe the gastric feelings? How is your diet? Low blood sugar in the early hours may cause nausea. I eat every 3 hours to stop those gut lurches.
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Early morning anxiety surges = nausea were my worst symptoms. Anytime from 3.30 a.m. >:(
How do U take the betablockas? For several years I had 40mg then dropped to 20mg every night to ease any cortisol surges. As well as ADs and an emergency anti-anxiety medication.
Don't fight the tears. If Nature didn't want us to cry she wouldn't have given us feelings. R U able to describe the gastric feelings? How is your diet? Low blood sugar in the early hours may cause nausea. I eat every 3 hours to stop those gut lurches.
Hi
Thanks for replying. The Gp told me to take them as I felt a panic attack coming on. Last night I woke at 12.30am so I took 2 x 10mg I usualy take 1 if I feel palpatations etc. This seemed to take edge off the early morning surge. My gastric issues are me constantly burping to excess meaning at times I get to the stage where i start to retch. I can hear air traveling up when I burp. I am also shaking alot today outwards though not the usual internal shaking. Ive just taking 2 x 10mg Propananol hoping shaking will calm down.
I can't fight the tears they are just coming in waves upon waves :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( my diet currently is me forcing myself to eat as the nausea makes me not want food. I do eat still breakfast usually porridge or a granola with yoghurt and a camomile tea. Lunch I only manage soup and evening meal generally I manage ok.
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That sounds like me in the 1990s :'( when I thought that I would never eat again.
Rich Tea or ginger biscuits. All day when I could. Eating B4 may body needs energy i.e. every 3 hours really helps.
My go-2: Bovril in hot water. Eventually I would add pre-cooked rice to make it more nourishing. I would cook the rice mid-morning, literally holding my nose as everything made me feel worse - my gut was empty but I didn't recognise that. That would take ages to face and begin to eat :'(.
Hot toast. Dry. Dunked into the Bovril when possible. The thought of butter :-X
Mixed dried fruits and nuts to graze on. My brain didn't equate that with food :-\.
That porridge in a packet, name escapes me. Add hot water or milk and stir. Also in the early days, those small packets of 'Kellogg's - most can be eaten dry so are handy when travelling or in the night for a snack, straight from the box.
Cold, tinned rice pudding from the can. Heated as I begin to feel better, add a dollop of jam even. ::)
Breakfast has rarely been problematic, lunch however: my most difficult time of day. Evening meal usually OK: chicken chopped small and stir fried: as I improve add ginger/garlic and a little veg.. Chicken is healing. Curry too, once I begin to recover. On a bed of rice. Again the brain doesn't have to think about eating.
Your gut may be hungry, add to that anxiety surges and energy levels go tattas! [bye]. Tears of fear, frustration and probably a lack of energy aren't far behind.
I have used rescue remedy mouth spray with some success too.
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Ahh bless you thank you for all the info. So pleased you overcame what sounds like such a mega tough time for you.
I am veggie so no no to chicken but your right if im hungry as in my gut grumbling anxiety is so much worse.
I am not eatting out of enjoyment just as a necessity and to stop myself from feeling like I want to throw up from nausea vicious bloody circle. The nausea usually passes once the morning is over but is abit more persistent today. I just feel that all the surges have worn me down and where I wasn't depressed before I feel elements of it now! Just forced myself food shopping after having meltdown after meltdown in the house beforehand.
Please let it get easier
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Oh well done to go shopping! Never go when hungry ;-). Did U buy necessities or did you get treats as well?
It was mega and even now as soon as anxiety levels rise I stop eating even though my brain is screaming 'eat' >:(
MayB make a list of what you will eat as well as treats, i.e. lollies, ice cream to keep hydration levels up. The body needs proteins as we grow and age: perhaps review what proteins you get, 24/7. Sometimes the body requires what we don't want to eat, i.e. meat or even food! Bananas are slow release which help me. The brain needs sustenance, out of sight out of mind! so if over all energy levels are down, depression may well kick in.
Have U had blood tests ? diabetes ? as we shouldn't blame everything on peri-menopause.
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Hi Sarah, thanks so much for asking, especially whilst you are going through a tough time. Last few days have been horrible, the black cloud just hovering although have felt a slight lift today so maybe it’s passing but it has fooled me before so we’ll see. It is soo exhausting, especially when life gets in the way too :( Really sorry to hear your symptoms appeared, it just not fair but you are so right in that we can look forward and hope that next month will be better, as I’ve said before we will get there.
losingtheplot I wish I could give you a hug right now, I am with you in spirit. So sorry to hear you are having such a tough day. Sometimes when I have stomach issues or feel nauseous I take Silicolgel, it does seem to help. You can get it from Boots or Amazon, probably other places too. Might be worth a try? Really well done for carrying on with your diet when you are feeling so crap, that must be hard but shows how strong you are.
Ladies let’s hope this passes quick but at least we are all here for each other. Take care xxxx
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Oh well done to go shopping! Never go when hungry ;-). Did U buy necessities or did you get treats as well?
It was mega and even now as soon as anxiety levels rise I stop eating even though my brain is screaming 'eat' >:(
MayB make a list of what you will eat as well as treats, i.e. lollies, ice cream to keep hydration levels up. The body needs proteins as we grow and age: perhaps review what proteins you get, 24/7. Sometimes the body requires what we don't want to eat, i.e. meat or even food! Bananas are slow release which help me. The brain needs sustenance, out of sight out of mind! so if over all energy levels are down, depression may well kick in.
Have U had blood tests ? diabetes ? as we shouldn't blame everything on peri-menopause.
Big hugs hunni you sound such a strong person xxxx I love crisps so treated myself to a big bag of my fave crisps but only managed a very few with a sandwich I forced down.
I have had blood tests recently and all came back clear. The morning surges of anxiety and panic a very close friend of mine suffered and she was peri and my symptoms mimick hers. Ive never ever experienced anything like this before but I understand not all things mean peri x
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Hi Sarah, thanks so much for asking, especially whilst you are going through a tough time. Last few days have been horrible, the black cloud just hovering although have felt a slight lift today so maybe it’s passing but it has fooled me before so we’ll see. It is soo exhausting, especially when life gets in the way too :( Really sorry to hear your symptoms appeared, it just not fair but you are so right in that we can look forward and hope that next month will be better, as I’ve said before we will get there.
losingtheplot I wish I could give you a hug right now, I am with you in spirit. So sorry to hear you are having such a tough day. Sometimes when I have stomach issues or feel nauseous I take Silicolgel, it does seem to help. You can get it from Boots or Amazon, probably other places too. Might be worth a try? Really well done for carrying on with your diet when you are feeling so crap, that must be hard but shows how strong you are.
Ladies let’s hope this passes quick but at least we are all here for each other. Take care xxxx
Hey Lovely
Thanks for the hug a big one right back at ya xxxx
I have never heard of Silicogel before will look into it. I really hope your black cloud lifts soon I am so sure it will xxxxx stay strong you will get through it tomorow may just be the day it goes. Xxxx
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Hi sweetheart,
It's all so hard isn't it? Especially when you are doing everything you can to help yourself. Do it all right and still feel so bad. Overwhelming at times isn't it. None of us deserve this.
Whilst my sleep is broken, I am now on otc sleeping tablets to help get a better sleep. Leaves me a bit drowsy next day, so I only take half.
Not sure this would work best for you to add something else into the mix whilst your other medication is still taking to full effect.
I am glad your husband could comfort you. Also to take some much needed time off work. I'm sorry I am not much help practically, someone else is bound to offer some proper advice. Just wanted to say hello, and sorry that it's all so shite.
Sending you a much needed hug. You aren't alone sweetie, you are listened to and cared for. Xx
Hope your ok hunni xxxx
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Ah thank you, hopefully tomorrow will be a better day for you too xxxx
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Hiya losingtheplot and Tori,
I am sorry you are both having bad dips again. Great advise about what to eat or take when nausea hits. It must be awful to awaken with that when it's hard sometimes to face a new day when times are tough. Crisp are a great treat for me too, but let's keep that between ourselves....
Tori, I feel so much for you. It seems we are on a similar wavelength atm. That black cloud feels so heavy I know. You do an amazing lift for us, promising us it will get better, and I hope you can see that for yourself too Tori. We know we are having to live with these inconsistencies, and that is hard. But it will pass, but I understand how bad it is to believe when we are in the huge dips down.
Thanks for asking losingtheplot, I have been a bit reflective today, pms, which pissed me right off. My natural cycle is showing no signs of stopping, every 4 weeks without fail. Am trying to count the positives, the last couple of weeks have felt physical improvements, and slightly better moods. So I should be happy.
But at the age of 56, after 43 years of pms, I just want it to stop. I feel dragged down with it all. Instead it is so very much worse. Having to continually up my hrt to try to cease my own cycle,seeing my friends don't ever even have to think about all this hormonal crap, as they went through mostly symptomless peri and meno many years ago, and right now I am struggling to accept it. It's relentless, I just can't see an end.
I know in a few days I will lift a bit, and just carry on, until the fucking pms or pmdd kicks in again, as it will, as it has for 43 years. Sorry my lovely ladies, my support group who yourselves go through so much, it's just a shite few days for all of us.
Roll on the better days.
But hugs to you both. Xx
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Big hugs Sarah much love to you xxxxxx I am not coming back as a bloody woman thats for sure!
Its hitting us all hsrd lately what goes down must go up so lets hope up happens soon for us all !!!! Xxxx
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I was advised by NAPS to eat every 3 hours, 24/7 to counteract the low blood sugar which may cause sudden anxiety surges with nausea. It took a while - about 3/4 months - to get into a habit as well as eating B4 my body requires energy. Grazing works and I never put on weight as I wasn't eating any more than my 'usual'.
I have grabbed 'Kwells' years ago though they caused intense drowsiness, anything to stop the nausea.
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So do you get up during the night to eat? This morning I haven't felt the panic and anxiety has been almost not there!!!! :) But my gastric issues still there. This morning I grazed on 2 biscuits at 4am after taking a Lansaprazole tablet things didnt seem as bad with the nausea stomach was still gurgling etc. I also get very loose stools every morning so not sure if I have a touch of IBS. Things have settled now and its hunger pangs.
I am going to buy some of that gel Tori Thank you for telling me about it hopefully it helps settle my tummy.
I am also taking a few diff things at min
Ads
Propanonol tablets not capsules
Msm capsules
Utrogestan
Ashgawandha capsules
Multi vits
So maybe my stomach is struggling due to above. I think Ads have a big part to play as play havoc with nausea till side effect goes
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Morning. I think that your gut is empty = anxiety surges.
What is msm and Ashgawandha? It may be that you R taking too much of a mix.
ADs may cause nausea for the first couple of weeks which is why I couldn't tolerate many in the 1980s :-\
Get some Rich Tea down you! ;-)
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Morning. I think that your gut is empty = anxiety surges.
What is msm and Ashgawandha? It may be that you R taking too much of a mix.
ADs may cause nausea for the first couple of weeks which is why I couldn't tolerate many in the 1980s :-\
Get some Rich Tea down you! ;-)
Msm is pure sulphur capsules to help with joint pains, skin, hair and nails.
Ashgawandha is herbal capsules to help with stress.
The thing is I only experience this nausea/ gastric issue on a morning not throughout the day
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That's when it hits me :-\ . Sometimes as I wake, not always as early as years ago. Thank goodness! I keep Rich Tea biscuits by the bed on an in case basis, to nibble in the early hours when I am unable to sleep.
How R U feeing this morning?
Does the Msm ease pains etc.?
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That's when it hits me :-\ . Sometimes as I wake, not always as early as years ago. Thank goodness! I keep Rich Tea biscuits by the bed on an in case basis, to nibble in the early hours when I am unable to sleep.
How R U feeing this morning?
Does the Msm ease pains etc.?
Ahh bless you its just so bloody awful isnt it? Thank you for asking.
Ive only been taking msm for 10 days and I do actually feel they are helping I don't feel as stiff and joints don't feel painful usually lower back and hips ache badly.
It could be the HRT helping too as only been on this for 1 month but was so fed up of feeling like crap I added other supplements in.
I will keep biscuits handy beside my bed. I feel loads better stomach settled after having breakfast a cheeky croissant and a cup of tea. I haven't enjoyed food for months probably since Jan! I've lost loads of weight.
I'm currently sitting in the sun in the garden 1st day in just over a week I feel abit more positive and not an emotional wreck think Ads might be helping as I am a sufferer of depression. My dad has bi polar and schizophrenia with bouts of depression so I do feel I will need these for life.
How are you today hunni?.
Xx
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OK tnx. Wide awake in the early hours ::) - then slept, waking suddenly at 8.20. Breakfast, cuppa, light lunch and now a banana 8)
Loss of oestrogen may cause laxity of muscles = aches and pains so the HRT may kick in to ease your symptoms. Too cold to sit outside here :o
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Bless you. Was 3.45am when I woke then the nausea and gastric issues started! Never went back off! Took dogs for a walk. Could well be the HRT. I am on Sandrena gel for 14 days and just finished utrogestan 2 x 100mg capsules after 12 days not sure if they are causing some gastric side effects too! Not doing 14 days just in case back on gel today
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Do I get up to eat in the night: if I'm bored, yes. However, I do have a supper: last night freshly made bread with butter. Some nights it's Jacobs with butter or a bowl of live yoghurt with raspberry jam. Usually I wake if my body is hungry ::). Last night I simply couldn't sleep having got up to P :D
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Hi Losingtheplot
Was thinking about you and the timing/ order of your morning anxiety. Estrogen is lowest at night, and from my understanding if your body isn't producing enough from your ovaries, then your adrenals get involved and try to make up the difference. They don't produce much bur they can produce some apparently. So you could have a combo of low estrogen at night plus a shot of cortisol which gives you the morning feeling. I had the same just over a year ago including the nausea that was in the morning. I think part of the nausea was that once I was awake and with whatever surges were going on, my empty tummy wasn't happy. I had a small snack, then moved around a bit, even just some yoga stretches to try and get rid of the cortisol and it started to calm down.
Also, are you making sure you are eating with your supplements? And you could probably try spacing them out?
I really feel for you, the morning anxiety is dreadful. I still feel worse in the morning and better throughout the day but not as bad in the morning as I did so something must have shifted.
Finally, and I realise this isn't everyone's thing, but I also see a homeopath, have done for years. She made up a remedy specifically for the adrenals which I took when I woke up and felt like that, am sure you could get similar from helios the homeopathic pharmacy x
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Hi Penguin
Well when I use the Sandrena gel oestrogen I apply it at night and last night I applied it after 12 days on nightly utrogestan and I didn't have the anxiety surges so I defo think it is related to low oestrogen as you say. I am contemplating getting my contraceptive implant out as I dont bleed on it and never have for years. I could be post meno and not know but then would potentially be dealing with heavy erratic periods which I couldn't handle at min either. I suffered badly with periods all my life so the fact they stopped was a blessing. The homeopathic suggestion is interesting as I like to go natural as much as possible. With my supplements I take I do space them out as much as poss on top of my Ad.
I am pleased your surges are under control