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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: CLKD on March 19, 2023, 09:29:31 AM
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A siren-like alert will be sent to mobile phone users across the UK next month to test a new government public warning system.
It allows the government and emergency services to send urgent messages warning the public of life-threatening situations like flooding or wildfires.
The test is expected to take place in the early evening of 23 April.
Phone users will have to acknowledge the alert before they can use other features on their devices.
A message will appear on the home screens of people's devices during the test, with vibration and a loud warning sound that will ring for about 10 seconds, even if the phone is set to silent.
from BBC News this morning. I find this quite intrusive. How do 'they' get my mobile number? How does the Data Protection Act sit with this?
How will we know how to respond if the alarm goes off in future :-\
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It allows the government and emergency services to send urgent messages warning the public of life-threatening situations like flooding or wildfires.
I would imagine that the Data Protection Act is covered in that any data they (gov and emergency services) hold will be registered for use during emergency situations.
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Having read various parts of the Data Protection Act .......... unless this has been updated recently in a Section of its own, it is unlikely to apply.
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I think it's worse than that. Unless it's something like a nuclear bomb that might affect the entire UK they know where you are too.
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Below is an extract from the GDPR
"8Lawfulness of processing: public interest etc
In Article 6(1) of the GDPR (lawfulness of processing), the reference in point (e) to processing of personal data that is necessary for the performance of a task carried out in the public interest or in the exercise of the controller’s official authority includes processing of personal data that is necessary for—
(a)the administration of justice,
(b)the exercise of a function of either House of Parliament,
(c)the exercise of a function conferred on a person by an enactment or rule of law,
(d)the exercise of a function of the Crown, a Minister of the Crown or a government department, or
(e)an activity that supports or promotes democratic engagement."
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/12/section/8/enacted
It looks like sections c and cover the use of personal data for a government warning system,
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What's GDPR that you quote from?
Big Brother and all that!
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It is the Data Protection Act CLKD.
The original Data Protection act - 1984 became the GDPR in 2018.
I think the link above will give you access to the entire act should you so wish!
The thing is the Act is meant to prevent unauthorised access to personal information. It seems that "they" i.e. powers that be can do what they like ::)
Mind you the emergency alert thing might be sensible IF it's implemented sensibly - hmmm
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Tnx. When I kept personal details on disc I had to have a Data Protection Cert. which cost me £72.00 for 2 years. However, Data Protection didn't have anything that covered my work ........... ::)
How would 'they' get my mobile phone details. The shop from whom I purchased my mobile has a duty of care to keep my details safe, i.e. not to give or sell them to anyone else without my permission. "How we protect your Date" no longer seems to apply in that I get scam phones and texts >:(
I did ask the Parish Council 5 years ago to put the Area Emergency Plan on the village notice board, apparently it was too long .........
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Your mobile number could get out in a few ways. E.g if you give it to medical people, thinking things like local GP, hospital, or dentist or covid checking. Another way could be local council or tax people.
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They have a duty of care to protect my details and not pass them on without asking me. I was reluctant for years to give any mobile numbers out. They still can't use it without my permission.
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Perhaps they don't need your details. your network knows where your phone is so perhaps they'll do it that way, it doesn't matter who owns the phone.
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Technology now can trace where your phone is and who phoned you last and who you've phoned. This is how they trace missing people etc.
I doubt very much this alert precaution is just for floods and wildfires though.
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Seems more like Big Brother to me!
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We are following other countries that have this alert system.
I believe if I am correct, that they don't have individual phone numbers but the alert is sent out via the nearby phone masts.
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That makes more sense :thankyou: Big Brother was my first thought! [yet we have to carry a photo ID when we want to Vote at local elections which is a legal 'right'].
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I think you'd have to have the location turned on your phone to find where you are and if you're in a danger zone?
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I don't 'do' technology, can you tell ;D
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It's in settings in your phone menu, mines in security then click location on. You can also use Find my device if it gets lost or stolen. Parents use this to track their children etc.
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:thankyou:
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Why have we got to opt out?
We’re we ever given the option to vote in at any time 🤔
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Dont think there's an opt out.
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There is an opt out ........... but that's technical ::)
And no, I didn't opt in ..........
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News today. The siren will sound and vibrate on your phone on April 23rd even if you have it on silent. You will not be able to use any device on your phone until you have acknowledged the alert.
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Best leave mobiles out of Meetings and Hospital appts then :-\
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I phone users can turn off this off by going to
Settings
Notifications - scroll to bottom and switch off extreme alerts and severe alerts
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Thanks for that flutterby - very useful.
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We have something similar here, instead of getting emails, we get alert texts with a really annoying alarm. Mostly it's for Amber Alerts (abducted child) but it can be used for any other emergency like tornado warnings or an environmental emergency.
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Hi C.C. - do they work in that people will react? How do you know what the incident might be, i.e. is the warning shown on a screen? My mobile isn't up to that ::)
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Yes, the emergency is shown on people's phones as well as the tv and on the radio, that way everyone is aware of what's going on. The screen goes red as the alarm goes and then there's an automated voice (on tv and radio) reading the details ie the abducted child and the suspect and car, or tornado warning or public emergency in that area. It does seem to work as far as I know. If we mute our phones, the alarm won't be heard but the phone will vibrate.
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:thankyou:
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BUMPED for those who are worried
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BUMPED again ....... best thing, switch off mobiles on Sunday from 2.00 p.m. until 5.00 p.m. so that you don't jump/get woken suddenly/driving/or horse riding. Then we have to acknowledge the alert until we can use apps. etc., not a problem for me. I've a mobile that is on/off/texts/speak ;D
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It's going off at 3pm.
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Am I the only one looking forward to it, sad life I know ;D
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I'll just be surprised if it works. ;D
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It’s intrusive, you should have been invited to opt in, not have to opt out!
Apparently an emergency alert went off the other day at 4.45 am in Florida. Apologies were given, the explanation being it was an accident :-\
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I’m intrigued to see if it works
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I received my alert.
Thought it was going to be more than that for some reason tbh. 🤷
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I missed it, was taking the bins out ;D
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That's good, a bloody tidal wave just about to hit us, and we miss the alert. :bang: ;D
At least the bins were out though. ;D
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:rofl:
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Apparently I might not have received one afterall, it's not worked on some phones and Three network.
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That'll work well then ::)
What happens when I switch off at night and there's an alert :-\. Apparently this idea has been trilled/trialed for at least 10 years B4 yesterday. A few hic-cups to sort?
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Yes that's true. My OH didn't receive it because he's on the three network.
That'll leave me to keep him safe then! ;D
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Will he listen when you say 'run' or will he want to 'finish what I'm doing' ;D
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Probably not. Its a macho thing. ;D
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::).
As I don't watch TV until mid afternoon and the radio is never on these days, that my mobile may/not be switched on even if I can remember where it might be: I'll be last to know if push comes to shove