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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: discogirl on February 22, 2023, 01:55:22 PM
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I reduced my oestrogel from 4 pumps to 3 pumps on 9th february, as I felt wired on the 4 and I do feel better on 3.
I also started taking my utrogestan orally instead of vaginally and it appears to be helping my sleep; it's not great but a lot better than it was.
The thing is anxiety, I now have a constant feeling of dread, impending doom, all the time really; I mean the anxiety never really went away properly, it sort came and went, but now it's constant, is this just the change in my gel or maybe how I take the utrogestan does anybody know.
It's got to the point now where I don't like being on my own at all. I feel constantly frightened.
I'm sort of hoping as things settle that the anxiety may too.
It's just pretty full on at the moment and it stays with me all day xx
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I am so so sorry your anxiety is so bad. It really is hard finding the right dose of HRT. I think it takes time for out hormones to stabilise on HRT. I am not sure if a dose is right for me until a few months. This is confusing as I will make changes in that time only to find I made changes too soon.
Anxiety is truly awful and I really am sorry you are struggling with it. It is horrible to fear being alone. Do you think it is all hormonal with you or is it possible it is something else too?
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I am so so sorry your anxiety is so bad. It really is hard finding the right dose of HRT. I think it takes time for out hormones to stabilise on HRT. I am not sure if a dose is right for me until a few months. This is confusing as I will make changes in that time only to find I made changes too soon.
Anxiety is truly awful and I really am sorry you are struggling with it. It is horrible to fear being alone. Do you think it is all hormonal with you or is it possible it is something else too?
Hi flossieteacake,
Yes I agree, regarding finding the right dose of HRT and a mistake I made in the past was maybe changing dosage too soon and not giving it time, so I will be staying on the 3 pumps gel for while as I do feel better on it apart from the anxiety.
No, nothing else is troubling me, it does appear to be hormonal.
Hope you're doing ok xxxx
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I am so so sorry your anxiety is so bad. It really is hard finding the right dose of HRT. I think it takes time for out hormones to stabilise on HRT. I am not sure if a dose is right for me until a few months. This is confusing as I will make changes in that time only to find I made changes too soon.
Anxiety is truly awful and I really am sorry you are struggling with it. It is horrible to fear being alone. Do you think it is all hormonal with you or is it possible it is something else too?
Hi flossieteacake,
Yes I agree, regarding finding the right dose of HRT and a mistake I made in the past was maybe changing dosage too soon and not giving it time, so I will be staying on the 3 pumps gel for while as I do feel better on it apart from the anxiety.
No, nothing else is troubling me, it does appear to be hormonal.
Hope you're doing ok xxxx
I understand what you mean. It is just a matter of waiting but I know in the meantime the wait is awful. I hate that churning stomach feeling anxiety gives. It is just awful.
I am okay thank you. I am glad you have posted as you will be able to get lots of support to get you through this.
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Thank you flossieteacake, I always get great support on here.
It's just the feeling of dread, of sort of impending doom and worst of it is, it's nothing precise.
Still I'm hoping once my body has settled the anxiety will too.
I'm getting my bloods done on 6th March to see where my levels are at, so I'll be interested to see where they are.
Take care xxx
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Hey disco, sorry to hear you are feeling bad again with the anxiety.
Hopefully once your body adjusts to the 3 pumps, your anxiety will settle.
Have you tried any other remedies, such as Bach rescue remedy or cbd oil?
Never underestimate how hormones can affect how we feel. I increased my patch from 75 to 100 earlier in the week, crikey I felt dreadful. Removed it and replaced with a 50, as that is all I had and felt even worse. I could barely drive yesterday it was that awful, anxiety through the roof! I had to quickly get my prescription changed back to 75 and I’m now hoping to stabilise for a bit.
Here’s hoping you feel better soon xx
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Hey disco, sorry to hear you are feeling bad again with the anxiety.
Hopefully once your body adjusts to the 3 pumps, your anxiety will settle.
Have you tried any other remedies, such as Bach rescue remedy or cbd oil?
Never underestimate how hormones can affect how we feel. I increased my patch from 75 to 100 earlier in the week, crikey I felt dreadful. Removed it and replaced with a 50, as that is all I had and felt even worse. I could barely drive yesterday it was that awful, anxiety through the roof! I had to quickly get my prescription changed back to 75 and I’m now hoping to stabilise for a bit.
Here’s hoping you feel better soon xx
Hi Nas,
I take amitrypline for nerve pain only 10mg so that affects a lot of what I can and can't take.
You're absolutely right hormones can really make us feel dreadful.
You've had such a rough time lately Nas, I really hope things settle down for you. I guess what doesn't help is that it feels as though I'm trying to hit a constantly moving target, if you know what I mean.
Take care xxx
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I totally get what you mean about the moving target, disco, it’s dreadful.
Maybe look at some natural anxiety remedies? With CBD, you do have to have a gap of between 2/4 hours, depending on what drugs you take.
Some essential oils can be good for anxiety too, clary sage and vetiver for example.
You take care toox
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I will have a look Nas, as I do know a lot of people take cbd oil for anxiety.
I will have a look at those essential oils Nas.
With the essential oils, how is best to use them for anxiety?
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Yes the CBD oil can be a bit and miss, largely because it’s such an unregulated market. You will find literally hundreds of companies all claiming theirs is the best!
I’ve just bought one from EVOPURE for sleep, it’s quite pricey, so I hope it works!
With the oils, you can add to a bath or shower. Also they can be put into an oil burner ( the one where you add water to the top bit and a t light to heat up the water, at the bottom. You could could even add a couple of drops to a tissue and inhale that way xxx
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can you let me know how you get on with yours.
did you get it for anxiety and how do you intend to take it.
thanks for your help xxx
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Mine is for sleep primarily. You take it sublingually ( under the tongue) for maximum absorption. Think you are meant to take nightly x
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thanks for that Nas.
keep me updated if you dont mind.
i have heard good reports of cbd oil xx
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👍will do disco x
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Disco girl, I get anxiety and panic attacks too. This started with me at the start of peri, was awful and scared me. I to hate being alone at times and I was always so independent. HRT helped with this but as I get further along I have had increasing bouts of anxiety again. These usually come in waves and can last for months at a time. Do you overthink things? I know I do and can literally send myself in a spiral at times. Check your blood pressure as I find it can spike with the anxiety and maybe the cause, not sure if it's too much or too little oestragon. I'm just trialing a pump of oestragel alongside a 75 everol patch as wondering if its caused by oestrogen drop again. I'm 54 this year and been up and down for 6 years. 2 good ones inbetween with right hrt. Some doctors dont know much and still dont fully understand as everyone is different. I understand the anxiety though and have cried myself today as it's hard to take. Take care, I've found a shoulder massager, got a cheap one from Lidl, helps with tension which I have developed from anxiety and lavender pillow spray. Also used Sanctuary CBD oil.
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Hi Betsy123,
Thanks so much for your reply.
I think with me, its my body getting used to the 3 pumps (I was on 4 pumps but felt wired on the 4) and I do feel better on 3 to be honest.
Yes I keep a check on my blood pressure and the shoulder massager is a good idea as I have noticed more tension in my neck and shoulders funnily enough.
I'm so sorry you're struggling at the moment; I actually feel better today, and I think it's because we've had sunshine!!!
A lot of people actually use cbd oil for various things, there's so many different types of cbd oil out there, it's hard to know where to start. Do you find your Sanctuary cbd oil helps with anxiety and can I ask how do you use it?
Thanks so much xx
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Glad you’ve felt better today and yes the sunshine does make a difference. I use the CBD drops on my wrists and neck, usually in pulse areas. My anxiety is awful today and get pent up emotions also. I have tried lots of different things to try and resolve. Meditation and the calm app is really good to control breathing. There’s a guy called Joshua Fletcher who has a couple of good books and podcasts on dealing with anxiety also. I never suffered with it until peri and so is hard to deal with. I was prescribed to tostrin gel which helped with energy at the start but now my levels have shot up dangerously high on the last blood test so had to stop. No masculine symptoms however high amount in blood. I’m wondering if coming off this cold turkey is impacting on anxiety levels at the moment. I also think you can start to get anxious over health and this can spiral anxiety also. Let’s hope you continue to feel better and you balance the hormones back up. Let me know how you get on.
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Glad you’ve felt better today and yes the sunshine does make a difference. I use the CBD drops on my wrists and neck, usually in pulse areas. My anxiety is awful today and get pent up emotions also. I have tried lots of different things to try and resolve. Meditation and the calm app is really good to control breathing. There’s a guy called Joshua Fletcher who has a couple of good books and podcasts on dealing with anxiety also. I never suffered with it until peri and so is hard to deal with. I was prescribed to tostrin gel which helped with energy at the start but now my levels have shot up dangerously high on the last blood test so had to stop. No masculine symptoms however high amount in blood. I’m wondering if coming off this cold turkey is impacting on anxiety levels at the moment. I also think you can start to get anxious over health and this can spiral anxiety also. Let’s hope you continue to feel better and you balance the hormones back up. Let me know how you get on.
hi betsy 123
ive used meditation and calm apps before and they are good. as is controlled breathing.
i get particularly stressed about my sleep as it isnt great now so i know what you mean about health anxiety.
i hope you start to feel balanced soon after coming off the tostrin gel.
and i will definately keep everyone updated.
i appreciate you reaching out to me xxx
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No worries, I really think this is a good place to have as most people around you just think we are going mad :)
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Sorry to hear this and I know how you feel.
I also had this previously and for me it was definitely the Utrogestan that made me feel this way.
I found that exercise really made the most difference even for just 15 minutes a day. It really took the edge off and lifted my mood immensely. If I don’t exercise I can sometimes feel it creeping up on me so I make sure I do something even if it’s a brisk walk outside. This works especially well if you do it first thing in the morning. Good luck x
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hi mollydolly
thanks for your reply.
the utrogestan helps me to nod off.
i totally agree about exercise i love walking in the morning sunshine.
i used to do loads of cycling but that was causing problems all of its own so had to ease off.
thanks so much for your kind wishes and take care xx
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No worries, I really think this is a good place to have as most people around you just think we are going mad :)
yes i definately havent felt normal for ages. (my family may say thats a good thing!!) 😊
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Hi discogirl,
I’m a bit late but just wanted to say I hope you are feeling better, anxiety and insomnia are awful. I find they go hand in hand, poor sleep = anxiety for me. Maybe the utrogestan will become more effective the longer you take it. I would give it time. One thing I learned quite recently is that jogging seems to stop me worrying for a few days after doing it. I feel like it burns up adrenaline. I have done walking for exercise for years but found more vigorous exercise to be much more effective. however when I’m tired it’s the last thing I want to do! I am trying to do more. I really hope you feel better soon. I have a feeling that you will overcome this and that it will just take time. Xxx
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Hi discogirl,
I’m a bit late but just wanted to say I hope you are feeling better, anxiety and insomnia are awful. I find they go hand in hand, poor sleep = anxiety for me. Maybe the utrogestan will become more effective the longer you take it. I would give it time. One thing I learned quite recently is that jogging seems to stop me worrying for a few days after doing it. I feel like it burns up adrenaline. I have done walking for exercise for years but found more vigorous exercise to be much more effective. however when I’m tired it’s the last thing I want to do! I am trying to do more. I really hope you feel better soon. I have a feeling that you will overcome this and that it will just take time. Xxx
hi katherine
i am finding the utrogestan is helping at night definately and i do want to get back to my cycling but that maybe a longer process. i have found actually over the last couple of days that my anxiety levels have gone down a bitxx
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Discogirl, that’s great news xxx
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Discogirl, that’s great news xxx
thing is katherine its an ever moving target. so my sleep is a slowly slowly process. a few years back i could sleep for england but i think maybe now i have to accept a different season of life.
at least my anxiety has reduced. still there but definately that has improved xxx
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I have now been taking utrogestan for nearly a month and my sleep continues to improve. Bit rocky to start with( feeling very hot at night) but glad I stuck it out. Glad same is happening for you.
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I have now been taking utrogestan for nearly a month and my sleep continues to improve. Bit rocky to start with( feeling very hot at night) but glad I stuck it out. Glad same is happening for you.
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hi Gnatty
its a slow process mind.
i mean im getting about 5 hrs broken now so better than 1 or 2 with an 8 hr thrown in once every 2 wks.
but i am glad i started taking the utro orally.
i hope you're keeping ok xx