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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: jaypo on January 15, 2023, 10:22:14 AM
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Having recently read of yet another dog attack on a 28 year old woman who died of her injuries,I wonder if more laws should be brought in to restrict certain breeds,or more to the point,restrict certain owners. It just seems to be getting out of hand now but what is the answer?
My own tiny dog was attacked by an off lead dog and it was horrific.
For a human to be killed this way is just unimaginable.
What should be done?
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I do think we need more regulations as to how many dogs can be walked at any one time by professional dog walkers. We have lots around where I live and often there are 6 or 7 all off lead in our local woods being walked by one person. The pack mentality can take over if one of them flushes a deer or pheasant and they become quite hard to control. So sorry to hear about your own dog. :'(
Taz x
Taz x
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I agree Taz, I think that poor woman was walking about 8 dogs and she got tangled in the leads,how can you possibly be in control of 8 large dogs at one time? I think they then chased a lady on a horse.
I now am on high alert when I walk my dogs and when I see one off lead I instantly pick them up, I was NEVER like this before.
I think this bully XL is now the "in dog" to have.......why?
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Our local Council suggested brining in a local Law of not walking more than 3 dogs at a time, the dog walking community were up in arms and the Council backed down. I have written to them explaining that they have a duty to protect all members of the public and that it is difficult to pick up poo when walking 2 let alone lots! In parts of London there are By-Laws restricting professional walker to no more the X, depends on the Authority. Also it's time that LAs checked up make sure that professional walkers are registered, R covered by appropriate insurances and also paying tax.
One was supposedly a Leonberger which weigh in at many stones: 1 person might have difficulty with large breeds let alone multiples. Once someone screams the wild instinct kicks in causing a pack effect.
I used to walk two, my own and the neighbour's collie. He had to walk on the outside otherwise he would cock his leg over my bitch who was white ::). Even then if they saw a leaf I would get pulled over!
Personally I wouldn't want my dog walked with any others. It's supposed to be 'me' time for the dog, surely. Horrendous for all concerned :'(
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Couldn’t agree more Jaypo. I have witnessed a dog Walker trying to manage 6 dogs (all different breeds and from different homes). No-one can predict how any one of these dogs is going to act in a particular set of circumstances. It doesn’t matter how much experience they have with dogs, it’s too much for anyone to handle and is hugely risky. There should be a law to stop this! These attacks are happening much too often :'(……….
Even our “adorable” Cockapoo is a strong, able wee dog so I’m always super careful when out with him.
It’s dangerous to be blasé….
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When works as a dispenser we would have to deal with drug addicts,who told us that they got extra benefits if they owned a dog,so the whole lot of them went out and bought....yep,staffies,none of them were on leads from young pups and were walked down a busy high street,either way in front or behind the owner.
Having just come back from holiday,the difference in dog ownership abroad is so different,never once did I see a dog off lead and not once did I see poop on pavements etc.
I agree clkd,it's the safety of others I worry about and councils should step up on this.
Yep songbird p,nearly every day you read about a dog attack and all too often they're fatal.
Our beloved German Shepherd was a huge dog but as soft as putty,never once so much growled at us,yet she was NEVER left alone when we had OHs kids over,never let them put their face up to her etc,no matter how good you think they are,the fact is,you just never know
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Paris is renowned for poo :o
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Perhaps it should be compulsory to go on a dog training course before you're allowed to keep a dog.
And if anyone thinks they're going to keep a dog as a status symbol to attack others the owner should be put down and the dog rehomed if it's suitable.
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I agree sheila99.
Too many lock down dogs out and about that haven't been socialised perhaps? Locally 1 person walks 5 off lead and they are really happy. 3 of the dogs are 'friends' / neighbours. It takes one incident, if a person is down on the floor then they become 'prey' - I was told that by Philip Wayne, his wife had a Malyan sun bear in the 1960s which she raised from a cub. She fell over one of the retrievers when out walking and the bear pounced :'( :-\. From then on she was in a large area on her own.
Cocoa the Clown's son-in-law told me that he turned his back on his tigress and she snatched his shoulder out of its socket. Again, reared from a cub. It doesn't take long for a canine to turn back to the wild. Sadly many with small babies don't realise that a noise can turn a dog's instincts, hence those killed in the prams.
Someone is being taken to Court because her small daughter was killed by 1 of their huskies ........... :'(.
I remember when the Dangerous Dogs Act was 1st initiated it was due to Rottweiler attacks .
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Also as all dogs during this particular incident have been taken in by the Police in an effort to find out which dog may have been responsible: can you imagine how those owners are feeling? Were they aware that their dog was being walked in a Pack? Will they get their pet back, under the DDA they may never see it again :'( and do not legally have the right to know where it is being held.
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I remember the Rottweiler attacks on those girls but there is the point....why were two little girls taking Rottweilers for a walk!!??
Ha, I agree Sheila,it's the owners that need putting to sleep >:(
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Those two girls staying at the Hotel? Who went into a locked yard and took two dogs unknown to them for a walk? The media didn't report loudly on how the owner ended his Life because he could't live with the results in tradedy :'(. All the media did was blame the owner .......... no one wins!
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They also didn't report that one of the girls went into some bushes as she needed a wee and found that she'd started her period :-\
I think lockdown has a lot to answer for,in as much,people buying dogs but not having a clue about them or being able to "read" the dog's warning signs
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Or not thinking what to do with dogs when they return to work!
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Well, hubby had a run in with a “dog Walker” this morning.
He had our Cockapoo on a lead as usual and aforementioned “dog Walker” stopped a van and promptly released 8 dogs (all breeds and sizes) out the back, none of which were on leads. They all ran up to our boy, barking and circling him. Well, my hubby roared at this idiot warning that these dogs would be kicked sharply between the legs if any of them touched our boy! Unbelievable!!
These people are not dog walkers, they transport dogs to an area, let them run as a pack and take unbelievable risks re one of them possibly attacking another dog (or person!) or running onto a road!
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With all the publicity !! Did he photo the number plate on his phone? Bit of a shake up too, is cockerpoo OK
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Omg songbird, I would have been terrified,my dogs are so small,they would've been panicking too,that's sometimes when dogs attack,they smell the fear,he should definitely report it,it's just not on
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Our wee boy is fine thanks ladies.
OH didn't have his phone with him CLKD :(...
Tell you what, it does make me wonder what would have happened if one had gone for our boy. Regulations need to be brought in now. No more faffing about >:(
Blinking muppets!
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Get your OH to write to your local Head of Police and the MP in your area. LA too, as all pro dog walkers have to be resisted and insured. It's like back-street breeding, the LAs are rarely bothered to check >:(
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Glad your little dog is ok songbird but like you say,what if one them had a go,the chances are the rest would've joined in,it really is unacceptable,I'd pick him up if I were you,if there's a next time,better safe etc
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Absolutely ladies.
And, if it ever happens again, I’ll pick up our wee boy and kick the dog walker’s a***e >:(
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Don't think I'd be able to hold my tongue songbird,believe me,after seeing my wee dog grabbed by the throat and being shaken,that image never leaves you :'(
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I sent an e-mail on Sunday to the LA - apparently I got the 'wrong dept.', by the time my message had got through they thought that I was complaining about a local incident.
NOPE. I tried to explain that I wanted to know what the LA are doing about controlling professional dog walkers. Apparently they have to be registered with the LA as well as having appropriate insurance - and can walk no more than 4 dogs at a time.
I've now been asked to send an e-mail explaining what I really want to know ::). I tried to explain that I think our local Council should lead the UK regarding instigating Laws regarding the number of dogs at one time: it has to begin somewhere!
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A police dog trainer of 25 years said in the news that,the most large dogs to walk safely together is two and I agree,if you have more than two,what happens if two of them start fighting? All your energies go into stopping them,then you have the rest of the pack not fully under your control
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How can any1 pick up poo when walking more than 1 dog anyway ::).
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Couldn't agree more Jaypo. 2 is more than enough!
Good point, CLKD, re poo. There is no chance that these characters are cleaning up after 6-8 dogs >:(
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I love how Graham gets to the gist of problems, usually it's the owners ;-). A singing JR - mine used to sing as soon as I got either the recorder or clarinet from the case: too high a pitch for her ears. Well, I think it was :-\
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Me me , I walk two dogs and ALWAYS pick up their poo,mind you,it be little poop ;D
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::).
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All aboard the Alaska pup bus...
A wife and husband duo bought a bus for their dog walking business in Alaska, and now they drive around town picking up eager pups for a daily adventure.
The photo is great. I think that the GSD and Lab at the back are a caption competition: the Alsatian is saying "Nope. Camera Shy. Don't want my photo taken" or "How do I tell U that U smell!"
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Did anyone watch that programme last night on BBC1 ? These idiots with their bully XLs ,I'd be absolutely terrified if one of those dogs approached me and that poor woman who's young son was mauled to death by one,it was so sad then the idiot owner with no remorse,swearing at the cameras while going to court,if I was there I think I would've punched him
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Oh Jaypo, I just couldn’t watch it. I saw the trailer for it and was :cuss: :argue: at the TV.
They need to come down hard on these idiots. These poor dogs with extreme characteristics bred in - “Frankenstein monster-like” - absolutely shocking and, as you say, the poor woman who looked absolutely devastated following the death of her son.
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I know songbird,it's bad enough losing a child but for a child to be killed that way? They also showed how they use razor blades to hack the dogs ears off,WHY is nothing done? Too many deaths due to dog attacks these days,they need to ban bully XLs me thinks
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I couldn't watch though I had read the Journalist's report earlier in the day. What can LAs do? If 1 has two breeding bitches 1 has to register with the LA - how many know that Law? People get a pup and think "I'll breed because she/he looks lovely". They never go through the protocols of health checks and keeping the dam/stud 'clean'.
So in large estates with locked in drives ....... anything can be happening. Then the dogs get passed to 'foster. homes' where there probably isn't room to swing a cat in the back yard leave alone keep a dog. Which probably never gets walked. Or socialised. Also these dogs grow to be beyond the weight that a normal man can hold safely.
I feel sorry for the dogs ....... probably have very little brain power, probably reactionary due to the type of 'bull' breed. Fear aggression ..........
LA aren't aware of these breeders because the dogs are rarely seen in public. I suspect too that any veterinary 'care' is done internally :-\ :'(. Probably with an illegally held pistol.
I looked through the various 'big' dog homing companies last night, the number of dogs with cropped ears to be rehomed is awful! Dobes in particular. :'( >:(
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Thes Bully dogs can sell for up to half a million,they have bully XL dog shows,where the judges are tattooed from head to foot,these poor dogs are so badly bred,one which was rescued as it was deemed useless,had its front feet practically on backwards,they eventually had to have it put down,as it couldn't be rectified,was only 14 months old,the other one was so heavy with muscle,it couldn't bear it's own weight,it was so sad
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If the UK LAs are aware of these 'shows', then surely they could be stopped by the RSPCA and Police? Also the halls booking out spaces to these unfortunate events have to be held responsible? Down the line, as with drug dealing and hare coursing?
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An international dog show showcasing American bullies has been cancelled following a BBC investigation into the trading of the popular breed.
The American Bully Kennel Club (ABKC) UK event was due to be held at Coventry Building Society Arena on 11 February.
Footage gathered by undercover journalists at an ABKC UK show in Manchester showed hundreds of dogs paraded with cropped ears.
ABKC UK has not responded to the BBC's questions.
The undercover filming aired on the Panorama and Disclosure programmes on Monday night.
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That answers 1 question.
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Yep,read that BUT if slicing off a dogs ears is illegal (obviously) WHY aren't these owners being charged? >:(
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Is that hype though :-\ ........ if cropped ears were witnessed the RSPCA and Police should have been informed.
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Perhaps the police are too frightened - same reason gypsies can break the law with impunity.
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Not only were they witnessed,they were caught on hidden camera saying they do it all the time and they do it with a razor,omg poor puppies :'(
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Agree sheila99 - I could write a book ;-).
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A 4 year old died yesterday as a result of an attack in a garden in Milton Keynes.
2 weeks ago I met a woman in our village with a 'staff' - however, it turns out to be a bull XX :-\ :-\ breed and will be huge. Looking at her she's about 5ft tall and 7 stone wet through :-\ :'(. Why oh why oh .............
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When will these people learn? :-\
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Don't know the details of which type of dog in MK - 'a tragic accident' - parents are being comforted etc.. It doesn't matter which type, all dogs will turn if they hear a baby crying or shrieking - instinct kicks in as they hear it as 'prey'. Sadly people don't realise.
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Yep,read that, I cannot believe these people,KEEP DOGS AWAY FROM SMALL CHILDREN 😩 there was also a woman the other day,who had her face mauled by a big dog,which was being walked on a big chain,it's owner just pulled the dog off her and walked away but he was caught on cctv,she needed about 40 stitches
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It's awful for the owners in the case, their dogs are being kept in kennels. I don't know how that will work, because unless they have been arrested under the Dangerous Dogs Act I don't believe that the Police can keep them :'( :-\ . Under the DDA owners may never know where the pets have been kept, whether they have been cared for and there is a chance that they won't have access. I would be frantic :'(
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On escape to the country yesterday a couple had 6 wolf hounds. They walked 3 each. Again, they couldn't control a situation should 1 arise, they were looking for a property with at least an acre for the dogs to run free. Over £M1 to spend ......
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I think the dog involved has been put down,if that's the same one you're referring to clkd.
There is no reason in the world why you need 6 BIG dogs
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The dog in MK was PTS last night :'(
Lost me on the 6 dogs ........... I am so tired.
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It's awful for the owners in the case, their dogs are being kept in kennels. I don't know how that will work, because unless they have been arrested under the Dangerous Dogs Act I don't believe that the Police can keep them :'( :-\ . Under the DDA owners may never know where the pets have been kept, whether they have been cared for and there is a chance that they won't have access. I would be frantic :'(
If the dogs are being kept in Kennels what is the problem with that?
I am so very grateful that the MK dog was destroyed. I believe it was put down humanely - it got way better than the child it killed.
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Because these dogs have owners. As I stated, the owners have no access to their pets. It seems to be a long time finding out what the Police want to know :-\. Genetic testing? The size of the dog's teeth against the PM Report should be sufficient.
How else Limpy - I know how dogs were PTS up until the late 1960s and it was horrific :'(
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I think the majority of them are small dogs aren't they? I mean if that was one of my dogs I'd be beside myself with worry,mind you,I'd NEVER let anyone walk my dog that had another 6 dogs with them.
What breed was the dog that killed the child? Omg,what an awful way to go :'(
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Because these dogs have owners. As I stated, the owners have no access to their pets. It seems to be a long time finding out what the Police want to know :-\. Genetic testing? The size of the dog's teeth against the PM Report should be sufficient.
How else Limpy - I know how dogs were PTS up until the late 1960s and it was horrific :'(
It's nice that you have concerns about the owners CLKD. Are they the same owners who let their animals roam free to attack at will? I am not concerned how they feel - if they were so worried about their dog they would control it.
I am just glad the dog was put down - end of.
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Think it was a .............yep,pit bull type crossed with a husky,what is wrong with these people? I actually cried when I saw a pic of that beautiful little girl that was mauled. Husky's are renowned for being snappy as they need so much exercise to keep them happy
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Ah that's another incident. The dog in MK hasn't been identified, other than 'a pet'. It happened in a garden, probably the 4 year old fell and the dog 'went in'. It's a known phenomenon in the big cat world as well as a possibility with dogs. I was told about big cats by a Lion tamer (long story short) in 1968.
Limpy - I doubt if the owners who had employed in good faith a dog walker would be those that allow their dogs to roam. If you are so concerned, you could ring the Police Authority that is dealing with the various issues and ask the question.
I never walked more than 2 dogs at a time, because I wanted to give each pet my attention, fun and playtime. Also, the issue of poo bags !
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Ah - there are so many dog incidents I get confused.
However the poo bags issue is a no brainer!
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No it's the same attack clkd in MK a neighbour said they thought it was that kind of breed and the family got it from a rescue centre 6 weeks ago,I KNOW they must be distraught but WHY would you get a big dog like that when you have a small child?? Are people really that stupid? :'( :'(
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Yep. 'that' stupid :'(. It is rarely a fault of the dog .......... people forget what dogs are bred for.
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Our Shepherd was as gentle as a lamb but not once did I leave her with my step children,all it needed was for one of them to step on her tail or fall on her and who knows? It's just a dogs reaction isn't it.
I mean get a puppy if you HAVE to have a dog with kids in the house but a big breed from a rescue??
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I wonder which 'rescue' thought. Several years ago a friend wanted a small dog, his first pet when he moved from his parents farm - they offered him an Akita, looked like it was the 'dog of the day' >:(. He reclined. So many of these dogs get passed through Pubs/public parks/Pet Store notice boards >:( :'(
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Jill had an Akita but they were super safety conscious with her,some breeds more than others just have a bit more aggression in them. Now take my chihuahua ;D
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........ or my JR :o ::) who would bite then lick to say 'whoops' - she was a ratter and very fast with her teeth.
Any1 watch Graham dealing with 'dogs behaving badly' ;D
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Don't like him as much as Caesar Milan
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I do. Caesar went out of fashion ;-). ::)
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Naaaaahhhh he was FAR more exciting ;D
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They both seem to get good results. Caesar works on the alpha pack hierarchy.
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The breeder has been a winner at Crufts : shows how much notice the Kennel Club take of owners entering the various competitions to reach Crufts: following taken from an earlier Court Report:
Mako, [a Belgian Mallonois] which had been subject to a dog behaviour contract because of two previous incidents, has since been euthanised because of health problems.
Ms Turner said the breeder asked her afterwards not to contact the police because she was worried the dog would be put down and also bought her gifts in an attempt to stop her reporting the incident.
In a victim impact statement read out in court, she said the attack had an ongoing psychological impact on her.
"I am angry all the time, I struggle to sleep because I have nightmares of the attack, I feel nervous and worried," it said.
The court heard Peacock was previously given a suspended prison term in 2017 for causing unnecessary suffering to an animal after she killed eight puppies by placing them in a freezer, and a ninth by hitting it over the head.
Passing sentence, Judge Richard Parkes KC also banned Peacock from owning dogs.
Her other 4 dogs have been seized. Problem with the show world is that many dogs are kept in kennels, hardly socialised and handled on the bench by a stranger i.e. a Judge. No wonder some are nippy or worse >:(
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Yep,the crufts lot are the worst of them all,that judge a few years back,living in a two berth caravan with 30 dogs!! And like you say,some of these "show" animals barely see the light of day,yet if the owner is interviewed,it's all.......oh yes she loves lying on our bed and playing in the garden....BS the KC should be abolished >:(
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I heartily agree. The Swedish system is much better: each dog/bitch has to be registered B4 they mate, with clean certificate etc.; and if either shows any signs of throwing pups with problems, each has to be neutered so that the problems don't go down the Line. The SKC visit each potential breeder in person B4 they are allowed to Show.
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Anyone see the armed police shoot those two dogs? Now the pc brigade are up in arms but prior to this,they had just mauled a woman. The media decided to show pictures beforehand of the man on the tube with the two dogs,cuddling and kissing them,not to mention both dogs were up on the seats,where people have to sit afterwards
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I know Jaypo. What they show/report is skewed in favour of the owner/dogs. Met police getting pelters again :-\
I dare say the dogs were loving and protective towards their owner but bottom line is that he didn't have control of them and the poor woman was lucky to escape with her life. Too many dog attacks at the moment. I didn't see the full video (stopped short of the dogs being shot) but it looked to me as if one had slipped its lead and was heading for the policeman.
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I'm honestly not keen to walk my dogs these days,I've never in all my days been scared of dogs,had them my entire life but today? I'm wary,why people have to have these ,potentially deadly beasts I've no idea >:(
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Any idea which breed/s these were, haven't seen any mention in the Press. We have a bullyXXX in the village :-\ though I haven't seen her walking him since he was 12 weeks old, the size of an adult Staffie.
I'm reading a book about a girl who spent 15 years working at Battersea Dogs' Home, I thought it would be a bit down beat but she writes in a humourour fashion.
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They looked like big staffies so probably crossed with a larger breed
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BullyXXX mayB?
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We have an American XL Bully living next door to us. He's not aggressive (although with that wide mouth he does look it) but he is such a powerful dog. He's a year old and weighs over 60kg. They also have four young children and two cats. They moved in (rented house) in February and both cats are slowly moving in with us. Thankfully not the children ;D
Taz x
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and not the bully? Problem is, people don't realise than when someone falls, screams etc. it may trigger an instinct in the dog, regardless of size :-\
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That chills me to the bone Taz,an XL AND children?? I know they can be big soppy dogs but like clkd says,if a child treads on its tail or runs and falls on top of it,I can barely think about the consequences :'(
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Those situations happen with small dogs ......... canines revert to being 'wild' when instinct is triggered. A JR had a young baby recently :'( although the injuries weren't serious.
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Yes all dogs can be triggered but a very small dog will rarely kill someone,a large dog can kill a child in seconds :'( :'(
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Unless it's a baby not long from Hospital :'(.
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Then it's owner should be shot for leaving the dog in the same room,it's SO infuriating,the same thing comes out of these owners mouths time and time again.......oh,it's never done that before 🤬🤬🤬
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It probably hasn't - it's the baby's smell, noise, unfamiliarity ............ which is why dogs and children up to the age of 10 should never be left alone!
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Then they're idiots these people,none of my dogs have EVER bitten but I'd NEVER leave them with any child alone, I remember when we had our Alsatian ,when my step kids came for the weekend,I told them NEVER to get out of bed until we got up,because as good as they can be,it can take the slightest of things to make them snap and her moosh was like a crocodiles :o
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I agree. Dogs and ..........
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Yet another person killed by a bully XL a young fit man,these dogs need to be banned
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I agree Jaypo. One time is bad enough but the instances reported in recent times where someone has been badly injured or killed by this type of dogs is just mind-blowing. :'(
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Was it a bully, I assumed by the media reports yesterday :'( :-\
Is this the lad where 15 dogs have been removed from two properties, she's on bale aged 22 and suspected of money laundering. Yet we can't get money unless we jump through hoops and prove that we are actually having a new drive or similar >:(
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Yes clkd,it was a bully,the man just became a dad for the 2nd time just a week or so ago and also has a two year old daughter,he was dog sitting for it,the man next door,son,witnessed the whole thing and is so traumatised ,he tried throwing stones at it to stop the attack,it's just too awful even imagine :'(
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One after the other with these large breeds. Which are never seen by the LA ........... with which 1 has to register if 1 has more than two breeding bitches. A Law that is impossible to implement. Dog Licensing won't make any difference either. What's with these large breeds .......... I saw a Pit-bull recently :o.
I haven't seen the bullyXXX in our village since the 1st time a few weeks ago, no doubt he has doubled in size. I see that the cropped eared dog show went ahead at a different venue ......... :'(. Do these bull breeds, other than staffies, English mastiffs and Gt Danes appear at Crufts ?
Too many dogs coming into the UK via crated containers apparently which don't come under Border Control.
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I've just read an eye-witness Report about this incidence: apparently the 'dog sitter' went to collect the dog from the garden, then began play fighting with it. As U would >:(
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Yes clkd,it was a bully,the man just became a dad for the 2nd time just a week or so ago and also has a two year old daughter,he was dog sitting for it,the man next door,son,witnessed the whole thing and is so traumatised ,he tried throwing stones at it to stop the attack,it's just too awful even imagine :'(
I found it distressing enough witnessing one of my cats being mauled by a run away Staffie who got into our garden. The noise of the dog barking and snarling and the cries from my cat were dreadful to witness. Luckily the guy from next door heard me shouting and climbed the fence to help pull the dog off. The cat survived but had two broken teeth from being hurled into the garden wall plus many puncture wounds to his body and face.
I cannot imagine how helpless you would feel being faced with a person being attacked. We are very wary of the American XL Bully who lives next to us.
Taz x :'(
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Oh Taz :'(. Something that probably jolts you as you drop off to sleep?
No Law in the UK will stop these backstreet breeders: until a Law comes in that dogs cannot be advertised in pets at home-type stores, FB doesn't allow it but some do slip through ..... e-bay etc..
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Oh Taz,that is truly awful, I know what you went through,when that dog attacked my tiny poodle chihuahua mix,it was the worst thing I've seen, I think if I'd had a gun I would've shot it,that vision of her being mauled is still in my head and makes my blood run cold if I think about it.
Glad your puss was ok Taz,poor little thing :'(
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Did anyone see the footage of the bully XL going on a rampage in the midlands (I think) it was horrifying footage :'(
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Yep. Why does anyone want a Bully XL {extra large}.
Another dog bite today ...... another dog off a lead, went for a man walking.
Time that more By-Laws were posted and dog wardens employed. That however won't stop the backstreet breeders, how many of these bull breeds have their ears docked illegally :'(
All dogs will chase, it's the prey instinct. The young girl attacked in Birmingham ran away triggering an off-lead dog into chase mode. And if the dog haven't been socialised and how can these large breeds be, in all honesty? 8st of muscle on the charge :-\. If my cocker decided to go off at a tangent she often pulled me over :o and these larger breeds will then turn. Also people scream which is another trigger, hence babies that have been killed have probably made a noise unfamiliar to the dog.
It makes me angry. This can't be all blamed on Covid off the cuff puppy buys >:(
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No,definitely nothing to do with covid,these bully dogs are a phase,like pit bulls were until banned,the bully's have killed 9 people since 2018,blimey,is one person not enough?? Not to mention all the little dogs they've attacked and or killed :'(
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I can’t believe these massive muscly fighting dogs are legal and I find it absurd when owners say theirs is friendly and will just lick you and are soft etc. the point is what they are bred for, what they are capable of and how they can turn on people. I think they will be banned but how many people will have died before the govt get round to sorting it out. Why else would anyone choose to own one of these dogs if not for their intimidating appearance?
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Men with small a small you know what Katherine, I mean who looks at a dog like that and says.......oh,it's so pretty,I'll have one,they are the most terrifying looking dogs. I've had dogs my entire life and have never been bothered about walking my own down the street but now? Especially as my own tiny dog was attacked by an off lead dog,who the owners said.......it's never done that before 😳😳😳😳😳
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Jaypo I’m so sorry to hear your dog got attacked, I can’t imagine how horrible that must be. I darent let my cat out of our yard in case this happens to her or she gets hurt some other way. There seems to be an epidemic of people not being able to or not wanting to control their dogs. I think I’m going to carry a walking pole or umbrella when I go for walks as I’m so sick of dogs jumping up at me with their muddy paws. It doesn’t surprise me the owners said that. I think there needs to be a change in the law to protect animals from dog attacks too.
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Jaypo I’m so sorry to hear your dog got attacked, I can’t imagine how horrible that must be. I darent let my cat out of our yard in case this happens to her or she gets hurt some other way. There seems to be an epidemic of people not being able to or not wanting to control their dogs. I think I’m going to carry a walking pole or umbrella when I go for walks as I’m so sick of dogs jumping up at me with their muddy paws. It doesn’t surprise me the owners said that. I think there needs to be a change in the law to protect animals from dog attacks too.
You can get this thing called pet corrector spray thar is used for training and emits a really loud hiss which dogs hate. We have been using it as part of a training plan to stop our pup barking at everything and it is incredibly effective. It's a very small canister about the size of a roll on deodorant. I wonder if it would we worth having one of those to hand to scare off any aggressive dogs?
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Men with small a small you know what Katherine, I mean who looks at a dog like that and says.......oh,it's so pretty,I'll have one,they are the most terrifying looking dogs. I've had dogs my entire life and have never been bothered about walking my own down the street but now? Especially as my own tiny dog was attacked by an off lead dog,who the owners said.......it's never done that before 😳😳😳😳😳
I'm so sorry to hear your dog got attacked. I'm terrified about that happening to my pup, as some of these dogs are so strong and can do so much damage so quickly. I don't even take her to the closest park for that reason, too many status dogs. See the message I sent to Katherine below, the pet corrector spray might be a good back up plan to have in your pocket.
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Penguin the pet corrector spray sounds good, I’ve never heard of that but will get one for my beach walks.
It’s a shame you can’t go to the local park with your dog. I would love to let my cat go wandering round the neighbourhood she would love it. I would honestly love to live in the middle of knowwhere with nothing but moors around me. I even looked on rightmove but have you seen how much farm houses cost! Might start doing euromillions. Failing that vanlife!😂😂😂
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Penguin the pet corrector spray sounds good, I’ve never heard of that but will get one for my beach walks.
It’s a shame you can’t go to the local park with your dog. I would love to let my cat go wandering round the neighbourhood she would love it. I would honestly love to live in the middle of knowwhere with nothing but moors around me. I even looked on rightmove but have you seen how much farm houses cost! Might start doing euromillions. Failing that vanlife!😂😂😂
There's an old guy near us who walks his cat on a lead, I wasn't sure about it but cat seems happy 🤷♂️
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I wondered whether to begin carrying an umbrella or a stout stick, not a good look in towns though :-\. All breeds can be cuddly if properly raised and trained. Even my cocker set off at another dog: for years she had been barked at by two large collie dogs who would run half way across a road, regardless of traffic. We would continue walking by ..... 1 day she had decided to bark back, running across the field - having a very good 'nag' at the collies then returning to sniffing round the field. I wonder what was said, all those years when we walked by ::)
Owners would say 'serves him right' when an entire dog would sniff under her tail, it was the only time she would turn and growl/bark. My reply: get him cut at the vets!
People 4get what dogs were bred for down the years. Rotts were herding dogs with the Romans as they marched across Europe , ending up in Germany. Doberman were guarding dogs from the start. Terriers bred for ratting, going down badger setts, mousing ......... the gun dogs for specific tasks. Alsations for guarding property. Some breeds in E Europe are purely bred to work in with sheep/goats, being white they blend - against wolf attacks.
The World has a history of fighting dogs and cocks. Staffs were put against bulls .......... so undesirables use these breeds for their own ends, usually more recently, related to money laundering and drugs. :'(
All pups look cute and cuddly, even these breeds. Also many have large eyes for the 'ahhhh ' look.
Katherine: the big world of the moors has its problems: foxes, deep pits left from the mining industry vehicles travelling too fast ....... sadly mares and foals have been killed on Dartmoor this year :'(
Registration of breeding bitches isn't adhered to. Dog Licences won't work because there will always be back street breeders.
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I agree CLKD there are problems everywhere but I would still rather live out in the country, I will one day. I grew up by moorland and agree about the driving thing. The bad smells, noisy sheep, fords, cattle grids! At least you get away from the druggies, psychopaths and men with wondering hands. Hopefully. Anyway back to the dogs! A big dog was once bothering our cat growing up and was swiftly kicked in the nose by my dad, it never did that again 😂
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Nothing will stop thes XLs if you hit it with a stick,you'll just make it angrier.
A spray is a good idea,I personally would spray bleach in the face of one of those things if it attacked me. The stuff I carry with me at the moment is a red dye spray,it won't wash off if you get covered in it,it's meant for women if they get attacked but it was all I could find lol
The dog that attacked my tiny poodle mix wasn't even a very big dog,like a large terrier maybe,it grabbed her by the neck and shook her like a rag doll,she was on the lead and is not aggressive in any way,the opposite,she's quite timid but even that size of dog managed to do massive damage,huge hole in her neck,vet had to stitch all the muscle back together and it cost me over £500,I still have terrible visions of it when I close my eyes :'(
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Nothing will stop thes XLs if you hit it with a stick,you'll just make it angrier.
A spray is a good idea,I personally would spray bleach in the face of one of those things if it attacked me. The stuff I carry with me at the moment is a red dye spray,it won't wash off if you get covered in it,it's meant for women if they get attacked but it was all I could find lol
The dog that attacked my tiny poodle mix wasn't even a very big dog,like a large terrier maybe,it grabbed her by the neck and shook her like a rag doll,she was on the lead and is not aggressive in any way,the opposite,she's quite timid but even that size of dog managed to do massive damage,huge hole in her neck,vet had to stitch all the muscle back together and it cost me over £500,I still have terrible visions of it when I close my eyes :'(
Gosh that's horrendous, enough to give both you and the dog ptsd on its own. I wonder if the pet corrector spray would work, it stops my pup immediately but then that's from barking, not losing the plot attacking.
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Nothing will stop thes XLs if you hit it with a stick,you'll just make it angrier.
A spray is a good idea,I personally would spray bleach in the face of one of those things if it attacked me. The stuff I carry with me at the moment is a red dye spray,it won't wash off if you get covered in it,it's meant for women if they get attacked but it was all I could find lol
The dog that attacked my tiny poodle mix wasn't even a very big dog,like a large terrier maybe,it grabbed her by the neck and shook her like a rag doll,she was on the lead and is not aggressive in any way,the opposite,she's quite timid but even that size of dog managed to do massive damage,huge hole in her neck,vet had to stitch all the muscle back together and it cost me over £500,I still have terrible visions of it when I close my eyes :'(
I agree jaypo, I doubt anything except a shotgun would stop an XL. The one my dad kicked was an Alsatian. That is horrendous what happened to your dog and I’m so glad she survived. I really feel for you.
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It's that OH moment as I drop to sleep when issues charge back !
Reading another report this morning of a bullyXL attack there were never any charges - probably because the dog, which was destroyed, wasn't chipped and the owners never came forwards >:(
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It's that OH moment as I drop to sleep when issues charge back !
Reading another report this morning of a bullyXL attack there were never any charges - probably because the dog, which was destroyed, wasn't chipped and the owners never came forwards >:(
Is it law now that they are all chipped? I can't imagine not chipping my dogs, best chance of being reunited if lost or stolen?
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Penguin,my little dog is so nervous now, I have to pick her up when we see ANY dog, I agree Katherine,think it's the only thing that would stop one >:(
ANOTHER one clkd? Omg,when will it stop
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Penguin,my little dog is so nervous now, I have to pick her up when we see ANY dog, I agree Katherine,think it's the only thing that would stop one >:(
ANOTHER one clkd? Omg,when will it stop
That's so sad. Awful owners, they must know what their dog is like.
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It’s absolutely shocking just now. The footage of that thing clamped on to the child’s arm at the garage forecourt was horrendous :-\……
The huge powerful head with cropped ears looks like it belongs in a blinking horror film! Dreadful!
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At least you get away from the druggies, psychopaths and men with wondering hands.
I think you have a lovely idea of the countryside but druggies psychopaths and men/women with wandering hands are not confined to towns sadly.
Back to dogs. Our neighbours are dreadfully upset about what might happen to their XL Bully. He is well trained and much loved but so powerful. Not one of the ugly looking ones either.
Taz x
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At least you get away from the druggies, psychopaths and men with wondering hands.
Muzzle when outdoors possibly an option? Although I realise some of these things happen with visitors to the home too.
I think you have a lovely idea of the countryside but druggies psychopaths and men/women with wandering hands are not confined to towns sadly.
Back to dogs. Our neighbours are dreadfully upset about what might happen to their XL Bully. He is well trained and much loved but so powerful. Not one of the ugly looking ones either.
Taz x
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How is the LA going to check every dog on the street to see if it is chipped/not? We don't have a dog warden any more, in the 1990s I worked closely with her regarding 'stray' dogs in the village. Not enough Police to keep an eye on what is happening.
By Law any1 who has two breeding bitches has to be registered with the local authority and vet.. Pups have to be chipped B4 leaving the breeder. How will that stop back street breeders? Also, some chip companies charge for a different registration which puts off owners keeping the chip up to date, thinking that their dog will never be lost/stolen.
How would owners react if approached when walking their dog/s by someone wanting to know if their microchip is up to date?
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I would NEVER trust any of them,well behaved or not,it just takes one thing to trigger their attack instinct,like the child running past it,they're bred to fight,why? I don't know,shame for the animal too
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Any dog will chase - it's instinct. Unless the owner is aware and keeps the dog on a lead/under control.
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Any dog maybe,although mine don't,even my Shepherd didn't,the difference being,if one of those XLs chase you,you'd better have a good pair of Nike trainers on
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Yep. When I was about 11 I was chased by Alsations - they were guard dogs to a lorry company and usually chained. I could tell that one was loose as the chain didn't ring taught, I could hear him running at me in the dark. I had a pile of magazines in my hand, which I used on his head. The owner heard me shouting and smacking him ........
The most dangerous part of the Gt Dane was his tail ;D
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At least you get away from the druggies, psychopaths and men with wondering hands.
There’s a lot less of them though. The less people, the less druggies, psychopaths and men with wondering hands. Never met a woman with wandering hands luckily! I do love the countryside you’re right. X
I think you have a lovely idea of the countryside but druggies psychopaths and men/women with wandering hands are not confined to towns sadly.
Back to dogs. Our neighbours are dreadfully upset about what might happen to their XL Bully. He is well trained and much loved but so powerful. Not one of the ugly looking ones either.
Taz x
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Taz - if they put him into a muzzle for his safety, which will keep people away [except myself ::), have a very good harness and collar ..... is he walked regularly from the property, if not they shouldn't worry too much.
Good article in the Telegraph today.
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Now the Press are calling them XL bullies :-\. Whereas they are known as American Bully XL as it's the largest of the type from mini to large.
Also not everyone wants any dog jumping up with muddy paws, then they say 'sorry'. Well stop them jumping!!! It doesn't bother me as I'm usually in my scruff anyway, having come straight from the garden ........
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We went to a pub for our dinner on Saturday and I took our dog,this guy with a big springer on a lead in the pub,allowed the dog to jump up on to sniff at my dog,I wasn't scared of it or anything but had to turn my back to it to get it down,he was just laughing saying,oh he wants to speak to your dog 😡😡😡
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The number of owners that tell me 'he/she won't hurt'. Well probably not ...... when I took my dog visiting at the local retirement home, 1 lady had very thin skin and asked that my dog didn't go too close. So there's that aspect too, as well as those with allergies .........
Time to educate owners. Pro-dogs charity was begun in the 1980s following the deaths with Rottweilers. They also started PAT-dogs.
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Another attack yesterday by two dogs,a man had to be rescued by passers by,how long is it going to take for the government to do something about this,not just XLs but dogs off leads >:(
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It’s unbelievable, the uptick in these attacks! What is going on? >:( The last 3 years thread about peoples’ “worsening behaviour while driving/being exceptionally rude in shops” etc seems to be extending to certain dogs and their moronic owners >:(
Time for action methinks
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What would work though :-\
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On the spot fines for owners who let dogs off leads on pavements etc.
You're right songbird,this country is a disgrace,the rudeness of people is shocking these days,youngsters being raised by parents who don't give them boundaries anymore
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Just been announced that that man died of his injuries :'(
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Breaking news- Rishi confirms that XL bully's will be banned by the end of the year. A step in the right direction but a whole review of dog ownership/which breeds are lawful is needed - and sharpish!
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I hope that there won't be a rush on responsible owners to take away their pets as happened when pit-bulls were banned. 1 politician stood in the House that morning and declared, every home will be entered to take pit-bulls away :-\ :'(. It was an election year hence the very badly worded Dangerous Dogs Act.
All dogs can be dangerous if 1 falls over one for example. That doesn't mean that the dog is nasty or liable to snap.
Of course the government of the day need to be seen 'to be doing'. Each dog should be assessed on its merits, breeding, history ..... this won't catch those who keep back street bullies and as stated in an article this week, the breeder changes 1 aspect of the 'mix' ....... as well as the UK doesn't have enough at Border Control to stop these entering the country :'(
What is needed is a member of staff in each local authority whose job is to scan all ads in local papers as well as all the notice boards in PetsAtHome etc.. Any1 breeding any type of dog/cat should then be investigated to make sure that they comply with LA Laws, i.e. that any breeder with. more than 2 bitches should be licensed. This should be followed through the Kennel Club to cross check each time a litter is registered.
The British KC could be more active by physically checking each breeder B4 they get their bitch to a stud dog, as happens in Sweden. Our KC has no idea where the breeders might be, i.e. puppy farms. I could write a book on this 1! [Puppy Watch].
There is a petition doing the rounds stating that there are over 70,000 Puppy Farms in the UK. I don't think so!
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I totally agree "any" dg can attack but the difference with XLs is that it's next to impossible to get their jaws open one clamped, I saw one in the US get tazered & it just made it more angry 😕
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Yep. These dogs, like Pit-bulls, have thick skulls as well as are muscular. Initially pain isn't felt so the dog becomes angrier. I am aware too that animals when shot will run a few paces until the heart stops, so a dog can still cause serious injuries. :'( :'(
In some Counties there are more safe secure fields attracting owners where they can pay a fee to allow their pet off lead alone or to interact with others ........ hopefully these fields with shelter could be made avilaalbel for those people with large dogs who aren't seen as a threat to the public? Keeping everyone as safe as possible?
The effects on the emergency services must be huge!
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It's not going to be easy if these large dogs are left in Kennels, because if they go on the DDA list, they will have to be euthanised. Worse if owners let these dogs, usually not microchipped, loose in the communites/fields. A few weeks ago a farmer shot two American Bully XL who had got into a barn and killed 24+ ewes/lambs :'(
Wonder what Vets make of these ?
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Euthanise them then,I'd rather that,than anyone else get killed,just watched the news and they're saying the two dogs that killed the man are "believed" to be XLs. NONE of them are safe,I just don't buy it when folks say..... it's gentle,yep,until something upsets it
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Exactly what my DH said a few moments ago. Hopefully it won't be an immediate blanket ban as a gut reaction, that each owner will be allowed to have their dog checked over; to justify the reason why they want to own a large muscular dog. He also said that they will go out and buy something 'else' similar.
Responsible owners regardless of their choice of breed, will know how to continue with daily training etc.. It's those that are kept in backyards ....... there is very little chance that they will be found until there is an incidence. Watching the film released today, shows a man grabbing a petrol pump to try and spray the dog which went for the young girl: but of course, it won't pump until the card to pay is inserted. Pity that he didn't grab a fire extinquiser, would any of us be quick enough :-\ :'(
Many years ago I was dragged to the ground by a gun dog aged 9. months: hormones kicking in, he didn't want to go home. No growling. No teeth barred. But he was strong enough to bring me to the ground ...... until the owner told me to smack him one, he soon learnt! He wasn't nasty but he didn't drag me again. And I've been around all types of dog for many years.
There's no easy answer on how to stop back street breeders etc.. Not much has changed since Rotts, Dobes and GSDs were targeted in the 1980s/90s.
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Euthanise them then,I'd rather that,than anyone else get killed,just watched the news and they're saying the two dogs that killed the man are "believed" to be XLs. NONE of them are safe,I just don't buy it when folks say..... it's gentle,yep,until something upsets it
Yep sad to say but I agree with you on that one.
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Yep, agree with all of this actually. For me the XL is a creation all on its own. The pure power is hard to imagine. I would suggest the owner of such a thing is going to be “a certain type” - a hugely dangerous combo.
I think that any breed has the potential to “turn” so responsible, able individuals who own a dog are always a must.
I’ll tell you 2 short stories (are you sitting comfortably? Then I’ll begin ::) ). There is a serious side and a funny side to the first!
Jaypo will tell me if I’ve mentioned this before :rofl: - bloody brain fog!……
We showed German shepherds for a long period. Before we married, I visited OH’s house. He had a big gentle GSD that “wouldn’t hurt a fly”. I stood up from the sofa to leave and said gentle giant (not OH ;D) flew at me, clamping his jaws on my sensitive area. Imagine me, up at A and E that night getting a tetanus injection, explaining why I had teeth marks on my flower :o
Fast forward a few years and married. Another GSD of ours lying in our conservatory - I think he’s dead - it turns out he’s sleeping. I’m leaning over him distraught, he wakes up, flies at me and bites me (this time right next to my left eye!) - another trip to A and E. - this time, very lucky that a plastic surgeon was on shift! He did a sterling job with me only having a small scar. I was told I was so lucky not to lose an eye. 😳
We had some amazing GSDs too but it just shows you.
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Nope,you've not told that story before songbird,unusual for you but first time for everything ;D ;D
My German shepherd was the most beautiful black dog you'd ever see,looked like a wolf,she was so so gentle,not once did she ever so much as bear her teeth at any of us but would I ever leave her with my OHs kids,no way.
She did once make an Amazon delivery driver run faster than Usain Bolt but then he came into HER garden,when there were 5 signs on the gate saying "guard dog loose on premises " perhaps he couldn't read 🙄
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Shows that any dog ......
Now if 1 has a warning 'guard dog on the premises' it either has to be with a handler on a lead or in a kennel. Dangerous Dogs Act. Because the owner is admitting to having a potently dangerous dog on the property so it should be under control.
As an aside: years ago once a Police Dog had retired, it was euthanised. Now apparently the handler can keep it at home :-\. I don't agree with that, as they are taught to grab an arm and hold. Can U imagine if that happened in a family home :-\ as well as they were kept in kennels.
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Hahaha,she would've just slobbered over him,it wasn't because she was a guard dog,it was because they kept leaving the bloody gate open but they couldn't see the "KEEP GATE CLOSED" sign either 😡😡😡😡😡😡 reported them numerous times 🤷♀️
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I love most breeds ......... mostly because I know what many are bred originally 'to do' for man. People even keep wolf dogs ...... I'm told by owners in public that they have to be treated differently to pets. A kick with a wellie should suffice ;-).
When the DDA was instigated there were too many overzealous police officers taking away pets from owners. Dempsey was removed - trying to get the article but it's slow loading [Our Dogs magazine].
I know of two retrievers that stood on their hind legs on the garden side of the gate: barking at kids walking by from school. Police went in, took the dogs [for barking in a dangerous manner] which were never seen again. That was in the 1990s and the owners still don't know what happened to them. :'(. Owners are never told where their pets are taken under the DDA. Regardless of breed. One owner who did retrieve their dog was appalled as she hadn't been allowed out for exercise, had been kept in a dark concrete kennel with no sunshine. The police were so scared because the dog was under the DDA that they shoved the food in and slammed the door. The kennel floor was awash ....... no one thought to engage someone with knowledge about dogs!
Had U or I kept a pet in such conditions the RSPCA would have taken action. This is a topic which I have followed for many years and which makes me rage with disbelief that it continues despite the DDA: all agencies, starting with Local Authorities and Vet surgeries, should be more engaged in checking the situations on individual levels. If a bitch is taken to the surgery then Vets should check that the owner is registered. If a pup arrives without a microchip, the Vet should inform the Police and RSPCA. If this costs LAs monies, then the government should now support the idea of keeping the public safe from attack dogs. Trouble is, the government's of the day are reactionary, very few understand or have knowledge of the breeds across the UK.
Our local Policeman didn't know the difference between a Springer and a cocker ...... he asked me and the dog warden to advise. And these police were going into properties without full knowledge!
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Omg,I'm actually have tears running down my face,yet another bully attack on a young boy,it was caught on a ring door cam,it was sky news,watch it at your peril :'( :'(
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https://youtu.be/XHDyfiO0N2s?si=-0yYTIWhYtVwQwiy
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It's in the News probably more than usual due to the tradegies - this was a staffie which had escaped from the owner's garden :'(. Why oh WHY >:(
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You can see how easy it is for some to be killed by one :'(
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Shock can kill too as well as blood loss :'(
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That poor little boy,omg my heart was breaking for him :'(
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Commander, the Biden family's two-year-old German Shepherd, has bitten yet another Secret Service agent.
The attack happened on Monday night and the officer was treated at the scene, the Secret Service said in a statement on Tuesday.
This is the 11th time the dog has bitten a guard at the White House or the Biden family home.
The White House press secretary has previously blamed the attacks on the stress of living at the White House.
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So how come THAT dog gets away with it >:(
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Plus it's 2 years old. That's horrific. How many more people does it have to attack before they do something about it????
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'stress at living in the White House' ;D
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Obviously not being trained in any way. and allowed to run riot. It's terrible.
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Yep. It's an Alsatian with attitude :o.
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It's proven itself to be a dangerous dog, but then it's probably more capable of running a country than Biden :P
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:o. :lol: .......... he's too old >:(
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Don't worry,it will be Trump in next :-\
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:rofl:
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Don't worry,it will be Trump in next :-\
Perhaps that's why it's being trained... ;D
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😂🤣😂🤣 yeah,he'll leave it hiding in a room somewhere
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AGAIN - in Coventry yesterday:
Two people have been injured in a dog attack thought by police to have involved "an American bully XL-type breed".
It happened on Purcell Road in Coventry on Thursday afternoon.
Officers Tasered the animal before placing it in a wheelie bin "to ensure the public's safety", West Midlands Police said.
A man and woman were taken to hospital with wounds described by the force as serious but not life-threatening.
A decision was taken by the owner of the dog to have it destroyed, police said.
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It's getting beyond ridiculous,there was a 61 year old lady walking her dog and it was pounced on,thankfully she managed to save it but what a mess she was in,blood everywhere,it's just unacceptable,not just the bully breed but ANY breed being off lead in a public place >:(
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I agree. The important part of your post is 'not just the bully breed'
Taz x
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Under the UK Gun Laws and Dangerous Dogs Act anywhere is a 'public place'. Any breed can get 'funny' for no apparent reason. :-\ :'(. No one is benefitting in these situations.
How are your neighbours Taz?
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My dogs are tiny but no way would I let them off lead,even if we are somewhere remote,I've always got that fear a dog off lead will come running round the corner :'(
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Well,yet another toddler mauled by a bully XL in London,the dog was out of control but the police managed to track it down,this ban can't come soon enough,although I doubt dog attacks will stop by this "breed" so many ways around the ban >:(
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I met an American bulldogX Staffie earlier, under close control. Aged 18 months he has already had two cataracts removed, lost the sight in the R eye and is nervous when approached. Should be muzzled then!?!?! ..... colour of a Staffie, looks of a bulldogX. Vets have seen those owners coming :cuss:
I was scanning through various dog rehoming sites on Sunday, came across a very charming BullyXL which was soon rehomed :-\. Pretty face, not too jowly, sense of humour ::) on the photo. I expect that the rehoming centre couldn't get rid of her quickly enough!
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There was also a young bully advertised and it said " nervous around children,so adult home only" whaaaaaaaaaattt??!!
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This is why the Government should employ a specific person in each county who will be charged to visit PetsRUs-type stores that advertise ...... and remove cards, so that the Police and Dog wardens can follow up though I suppose that would push people underground so that dogs are given away in pubs again >:( :-\
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Yep,for sure,all my junkies ( ;D you know what I mean) had staffies and would breed them,then sell them down the pub for money for their drugs,probably still goes on tbh :'(
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Yep. That isn't to say that the dogs weren't loved, but drugs will over rule everything else!
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That's another man killed by what's believed to be a bully >:( :'(
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Oh no! Not another one! How long is this going to be allowed to continue! :-\
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It's just terrifying,apparently he was a very skinny man and had no chance of getting the dog off,neck wounds apparently but the owner is being charged with murder,so I'm not sure if he told the dog to go for him or what
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I believe that the dogs were 'set on' this particular person. One was shot at the scene.
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Is it just this country that has gone t*ts up? When you go to other parts of the world,their streets are spotless,no graffiti and no giant ass dogs everywhere
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The thing I find strange is that there are suddenly so many attacks in a short period of time. Have they been happening before, but not reported or what?
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The bully has only been in this country for a short while & it wasn't so much attacks alone but attacks and death :(
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So,three more attacks that I've read about,girl on her pony was attacked by 3 off lead English bull terriers,a child mauled in London by a bully XL & another child by a German shepherd,what the hell is happening in this country?
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I've read about 1 today the 2 dogs were taken away. Too late after the event :'(
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Apparently they have banned people from walking more than two dogs at a time ,in Somerset (I think) and the picture is of this man who is a dog walker with 5 or 6 HUGE dogs on leads and he's complaining about the new rule,what a twonk,how can he possibly be in control of them all? What if two started to fight? How would he then be in control of the other 4? I'm walking away shaking my head now ;D
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Apparently they have banned people from walking more than two dogs at a time ,in Somerset (I think) and the picture is of this man who is a dog walker with 5 or 6 HUGE dogs on leads and he's complaining about the new rule,what a twonk,how can he possibly be in control of them all? What if two started to fight? How would he then be in control of the other 4? I'm walking away shaking my head now ;D
Is that two dogs of any kind, or two bigger / certain breed dogs?
Totally agree, that sounds insane.
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There’s absolutely no chance of being in control of more than 2 big dogs at a time - I don’t care how much “experience” these people claim to have >:(
And, as far for them cleaning up after 5 or 6 dogs?!, no chance - muppets! :beat:
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It has been mooted in many towns but 'professional dog walkers' are complaining that it will make their job untenable >:(. So mayB they should get out and about more often or don't have so many on their books? Locally there is a large barn where dogs run and play together 8). Also 'safe fields' .........
Apparently, though not widely reported, the woman who was killed a couple of years ago whilst walking several dogs: it was her own that had 'turned'. Having been told by both a lion tamer as well as an owner of a sun bear, that when someone hits the ground, they become prey. Instinct kicks in. Also when a baby cries the dog may hear it as distress.
Songbird - my point about picking up, it's hard enough when 2 dogs on leads are winding their way round the legs as the walker bends over with a small bag ::)
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Totally agree CLKD. Honestly, when we had our German shepherds, I wouldn’t have walked any more than one at a time. I’m no petite individual but I still only felt comfortable walking either a dog or a bitch at any one time (and we had 4 to exercise 😲).
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I don't even walk my 3 tiny pooches on my own, I always have either my daughter or OH,as I need to be sure,all of them can be picked up if a big dog approaches,this country never used to be like this, I was NEVER scared walking dogs before :'(
Penguin,I'm really not sure,how it is being implemented,sorry.
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Apparently they have banned people from walking more than two dogs at a time ,in Somerset (I think)
It's North Somerset and the ban is on walking more than 6 at a time. https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/pets/a45044183/dog-walking-ban-somerset/
Taz x :-\
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Oh blimey I interpreted that wrongly,does that mean they can walk FIVE at one time!?!? I thought it meant a max of two,well that's just idiotic if that's the case >:(
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It would be better to have a maximum ::) and there has to be by-Laws posted where the public can read them.
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Oh blimey I interpreted that wrongly,does that mean they can walk FIVE at one time!?!? I thought it meant a max of two,well that's just idiotic if that's the case >:(
It means they can walk up to 6, which is insane. It just takes one of them to pull in the wrong direction and they could all get loose! I'm guessing the only reason the dog walkers are complaining is because of the impact on their profits! Circumstances meant that we had a dog walker for a few months and they walked our dog on it's own. It cost a bit more but I knew the dog was getting their full attention. It's not just about altercations, but also the risk of them getting loose that worries me.
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Same here getting_old. 2 is plenty I was pulled over by 1 though neither ran away, because they had been taught to 'sit' on command. A sniff across my bows was all it took!
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Today yet another example of ignorance,myself and daughter took our three a walk round our local Loch,it's stunning there,anyway met a man with a Boston terrier OFF LEAD,so I quickly picked my littlest one up,he went on to tell me HIS dog had been attacked by a pit bull like dog two weeks ago and is nervous,so why in gods name would you then let it trot off away in front of you without a lead?!? He also allowed it to put its muddy paws all over my jeans and jacket >:(
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It's excuses, excuses, excuses >:(. Lack of consideration for others. Boston terriers are quite rare so he should have been keeping his dog safe!
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Totally agree,it actually had its nose up my chihuahuas nether regions and she went crazy at it eventually,not biting but just that crazy snarling thing they do to say.....that's enough but the guy didn't flinch🤷♀️
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When my bitch went after dogs who sniffed under her tail I was always told "Don't worry it will do him good". U can guess that my response was 'It would do him more good if he were cut'. ;D. She didn't take kindly to any1 under her tail and could 'read' an entire dog from half a mile away, she would hide behind me :-\
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I've got to the age when I thought that I had seen it all! However:
- in Rugby this morning was a man who weighed in excess of 20st., doing up the buttons on his black soft short flies. By his side was a pale pink/beige bully XL off a lead. I Rest my Case :-\
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It's a new world out there nowadays clkd,I'm always getting shocked by things I see,especially behaviour. I watched a film the other night,made back in the 80s and people looked so much happier back then,not a mobile phone in sight and no devil dogs,it's sad isn't it?
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I don't watch horror films, Dr Who was as close as that got! [and of course, a bit of a meander - it's on again due to there being a birthday, is it 60 :o]
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Another XL bully attack,this time in Derby,a poor little corgi,why are the morons (some) who own these dogs not able to control them? Apparently it didn't have a great collar and lead and got loose,close by was a school too 😡
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These dogs are rarely socialised and kept in conditions that the RSPCA wouldn't allow a rabbit to be homed in!
A child was attacked by a large mastiff-type dog yesterday in the home. :-\
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Apparently the good old Scottish government have yet again said black to the U.K. governments white,XL bullies not banned here and the kennels and rescue centres are being inundated with owners wanting to put their dogs up here.
Another attack on a French bulldog by an XL,the video was awful to watch,caught on a home security camera,the owner was very nonchalant and strolled over in her pjs but couldn't control it,I'm fuming now,these dogs should be GONE
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We shouldn't tar all these large dogs with 1 brush.
The reason that they are being transferred to Scotland so that each can be evaluated on its merits by qualified Vets/dog handlers. Most of the attacks are by dogs that haven't been socialised. Those that owners don't think will be reactive. As well as not being controllable.
In the late 1980s it was Rotts and Doberman that were targeted, due to very similar situations. Not as much press coverage then and a lot of it was incorrect. That was when the Dangerous Dogs Act was badly worded but was passed ........... :'( it drove some 'breeders' underground. Hence the types of dogs that are now causing huge problems.
A news article last night about XL Bullies showed a Staffie under control of a dog warden being taken in and out of a van, the press often drives these types of argument by using a dog which 'might be' similar. In the 1990s I did a lot of work with our local warden - then it was whippets being dumped from the North of England in2 Oxfordshire having had their tattoos removed by snipping the ears! So that they couldn't be traced :'( :-X
Each dog should be judged on its merits. I believe that we don't see enough of the knowledgeable owners, who are aware of the strength of their chosen breed. Even my spaniel could pull me off my feet :o
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No,I'm not suggesting they're all bad BUT why would you even want a dog like that? When dogs start killing dogs and humans it's time they were gone,one of my little dogs would never survive an attack from these monsters,a woman In Glasgow last week,was attacked by one and her little dog killed.
No these dogs are being dumped at local kennels up here,not to be assessed but because the owners don't want them and Scotland's law is different.....what a surprise 🙄
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My neighbours one is getting used to his muzzle. His owners thought it better to get him gradually used to it before the rules come in. They are good and responsible owners.
Taz x
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I was wondering with all the recent reports how your neighbours are getting on. The big problem is going to be finding enough Vets who can prepare a neutering plan. We are short of Vets across the UK.
I'm sure that most dogs will become used to a proper muzzle. It's those that can't afford the extra expense that need to be honest and have discussions with their Vets..
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I do feel for the responsible owners but sorry,when people start getting killed by these animals something has to be done
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A slight meander: people get killed on UK roads daily, by driving irresponsibly in cars/lorries :-\. I could write a list of those in high powered vehicles that didn't survive in recent weeks!
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You take that chance with driving and it's not really preventable but dog attacks are,it's unacceptable,can you imagine being mauled to death?!?
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Nope. The noise, shock, mess, confusion .........
However, these are still rare attacks when we think of how many dogs are kept in the UK overall. These are the 1st that hit the press ........... awful for all concerned.
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Not that rare sadly,there are stories daily from XL attacks,let's face it,when you saw the protests from owners,the majority were tattooed,pierced & skinheads,says it all really.
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Don't judge a book etc. .............
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Hahaha I used to date one, know exactly what they're like 😆
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Although the attacks are really dreadful not all of XL Bully owners are like that. It's sad when they all get tarred with the same brush
Taz x
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I agree. It's the same with traveller communities and those of us that were raised on Council House Estates :'(
How's your neighbour coping taz?
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They were extremely upset when the ban was first announced but have done everything asked. He's been neutered and is being walked already with a soft muzzle to prepare him for the more heavy duty one. The children adore him of course and the eldest (7 years old) is old enough to hear the news stories. I wouldn't have thought of getting such a dog myself with small children but he is a much loved member of the family. He also has a trainer/walker who visits once a week and collects him. They also attend classes to make sure hes properly socialised. They've done this since he was a puppy
Taz x
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They obviously know what they are doing. Big dogs don't know their own strength either, our G Dane's tail was wicked if it hit my legs or swiped the coffee table. ::). What's he like if you talk to them over the fence?
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We're across the road (cul de sac) so not side by side. He hates being left at home during the school run if they take the little pug they've got with them. He sits on the wide window seat with the net curtain draped over his head like a bonnet and mournfully howls. She's only gone for twenty minutes. ;D
Taz x
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I've met a bitch of 17 months this morning on her 3rd owner, the cost of spay will be £300.00. Not too bad considering the size of animal plus anaesthetic and after care. The owner knows what she is doing. I had a kind of fuss ::): they are all shoulder muscle ........ using their bum to propel forwards. Hopefully this will be her last owner who seems to be on top of any potential problems.
Face like a pug - bitch not owner - with large powerful muscle behind. Dark Rhodesian ridgeback colour with black eyes/muzzle.
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Still people being mauled to death I see, also a chihuahua killed by one the other day, aren't they all supposed to be muzzled now?
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Yep. All XL Bully types have to be muzzled and on a lead in a public place [which can be a vehicle or property under the DDA]. Neutered and have an insurance cert and exception cert.. There will never be a way of stopping back street breeders, which this incident seems to be. 2 adult dogs + 6 puppies? And an 11 year old in the house :o. Apparently this Granny of 8 was told to separate the pups with a broom. >:(.
:'(. It is estimated that there as many as 55,000 bully-types in the UK. This doesn't include English Bull Terriers nor Staffies which are registered as a specific breed. XLs are not.
On Jersey [I think] all dogs have to be Licenced from 1st February.
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And as usual Scotland has decided AFTER England to bring in the new laws,was a lady in Glasgow a few weeks back mauled by one >:(
Yeah that lady was visiting her grandson,WHYYYYYYY would you have two of those dogs with a small child in the house ?
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Yet more multiple deaths by XLs ,more attacks,when will it end? Why is it still happening? Latest one was a 23 year old woman,mauled to death, they were her "two babies"
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Oh no :'(………When will this stop? It’s dreadful. There are far too many attacks/deaths involving this “breed”! I just can’t understand the argument for anyone risking keeping one of these in their home! :-\
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Just shows you how they can turn on even their owners,last one was a 50 something woman,what a dreadful way to die :'(
Also a 70 year old lady walking her elderly pug,she said this dog ran through the wooden garden fence as if it wasn't there & killed her pug,in seconds,what a thing to witness
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People don't realise that falling and screaming triggers an old instinct in canines. They will then 'turn'. Once someone is on the ground they may be seen a prey by the dog especially where blood is concerned ........ as well as the dog becoming frightened due to the noise.
Lion trainers used a whip and chair, not to chastise but to make their bodies wider ........ I was told by a lady who raised a bear from a small cub which she walked with her dogs, that once she had fallen she was seen by the bear as prey. Which meant bear was kept in a large contained area and was so lonely :'(
Dogs should never be seen as 'babies' >:(. One of these dogs in a recent incident was registered but the 25 year old woman had no chance of keeping it under control in a small garden. :'(. Horrific for everyone involved.
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But in these incidences nobody fell ,this lady was just walking her dog and this monster came running out of a house.
The 23 year old had pictures of her and these two dogs face to face,even the photo made me nervy.
I've owned dogs of all shapes and sizes for 40 years and since a baby my mum and dad always had dogs,never thought I'd now be frightened of encountering one of these animals >:(
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It's certainly awful. As with repeated knife attacks, I am now thinking about what I can carry that doesn't look offensive to the Police :-\ ..........
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Yep me too clkd, I have a spray but it's only indelible ink wouldn't really stave off a dog attack, I've often thought about pouring some bathroom cleaner that has bleach in it into a small spray bottle
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Walking stick, female alarm alert, something like a frisby ........
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https://apple.news/AiKBA7sqjRpK2QMuxUWK0pw
This woman was doing literally nothing to provoke them
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It's awful. I am trying not to imagine the noise and after effects of such attacks :-\ :'(
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I don't care what anyone says NONE of them are safe, bred for attack and fighting and that's exactly what they do ,there's literally no need to have a dog like that,none whatsoever >:(
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I agree. These aren't lock down dogs there are bred for a purpose. Dogs should be cherished, cared for, looked after: not used for old fashioned fighting nor as breeding machines.
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I don't know about this.
The most likely dog you're going to be attacked by is a jack russell, but it's not going to kill you.
I've had rotties, alsatian crosses, staff crosses, and now I've got a toy poodle cross (very nippy little chap); but my daughter (33 this year, married long time, has a kid) owns two really big Boerbels, before that she had an American Bully, and before that she had a Dogue de Bordeaux, and before that a staffie.
Why? Guard dogs. She works at the worst end of child protection as a social worker. Her clients are terrifying. And County Lines is ripping a hole in our communities, especially the most vulnerable. It's not hard to find out where someone lives. As it goes, you can see that she and her husband are experienced with large breeds.
I think the question should really be why are people willing to dice with death? What are they so frightened of that they'd rather trust an animal with a brain the size of a pea over actual human communication? Well, I found out recently at school. Kid who was being evicted so that she could live in a car (yes, a car) had a Chow to defend herself. As someone else says, these dogs get passed around, it's not just about the money, instead a sense of deep desperation. Difficult to 'cherish' and 'care' when you're 14 years old and living in a car.
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I too have had big dogs,boxers,German Shepherd,Hungarian Vizsla but NEVER would they be off a lead in public spaces,or left alone with a child or stranger. We definitely DO NOT need these dogs that look like they've been left alone in a steroid shop,they are lethal weapons and once those jaws clamp down on you,you'll never get them off without serious injury and or death,totally unacceptable. I love dogs but these need to be off the streets
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What people forget is why these breeds are designed: JRs are bred for ratting, which is what all the terriers to. [will copy and paste this into the dog breeds thread ;-) ]
Rotts, Alsations - originally bred as herding dogs .......... Rotts came across with the Romans herding the food animals on long treks as far as Germany. Solid, a leg at each corner dogs, brave: many of the Eastern European dogs are left in the herds of goats and sheep because they have been bred with white/cream coats.
'Lap' dogs: bred to protect the Asian Temples i.e. Llasa Apsos and Pekenise which were kept in deep sleeves ready to snap if the owner was attacked.
Chow Chows - bred in China for the table.
Vets often get bitten more by Golden Retrievers than the suspect breeds. It does depend on the breeding lines too.
Under the Dangerous Dogs Act any dog that is kept as a 'guard dog' has to be either kept in a kennel or be on a leash handled by a qualified handler. So owning any breed with the idea of it as a 'guarding' dog comes under its own set of UK Laws.
Sorry but living in a car is totally different from keeping a Dangerous Dog bred to fight. Never socialised. Never given affection and many are kept under weight so that they are hungry and irritable.
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The photos [not for the squeamish] of a man who put his hand out to greet a dog which grabbed his arm: it was off lead so he thought that the dog would be OK: the owner reckoned that he wasn't 'in view' so that she couldn't put her bully's muzzle on ....... so she knew that she was breaking the Law, but the dog should have been on a short lead with a muzzle on B4 it left the property.
That dog should be taken in and put to sleep. But of course the two owners are unknown thus far. Years ago a dog was 'allowed one bite'.
Working dogs and show dogs have been split into two 'classes' rather than keeping breeds to what they are required to do. Even sheepdogs now have 'show' and 'working' type. >:(. The working dogs are on the whole more gentle because they have to be able to pick up game without causing damage. Hunt, Point, Retrieve do what it says on the tin: smell out game, go to point and pick up.
Hunting hounds were bred for tracking game and vermin. Blood hounds for tracking prisoners, now more often used to help find missing people, apparently they can find scent 10-14 days after it's been laid even in bad weather. Even those that act a decoys for blood hounds tell that when they hear the dogs approaching - usually worked in pairs - it puts the hair up on the back of the neck! Hounds will 'give voice' when tracking.
A mix of breeds have been utilised in finding lost people - so under close control they are doing a job to help the public. Cared for and trained correctly.
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This will always be a difficult subject, people will always believe there views are the right view , but I whole heartedly agree with jaypo , these breeds should not be allowed , of course all dogs can attack but it’s about the sheer power of these animals if a jack Russell attacks a grown adult can over power it , should an xl bully attack there’s little to no chance of two to three grown adults over powering it , if an individual wants to take a chance living with a creature like this that’s there own choice but it’s not right to put others at risk if they can’t control it , or putting other people’s pets at risk , i had a jack russell my whole life growing up and she was fiesty but very easily controlled, I’ve owned many breeds over my adult life , big and small, but to bring something like that into my home would never happen it’s far too risky, and as for owning a dog for protection because of your job seems ridiculous to me , I’m a serving prison officer and I deal with the most serious of offenders working in a male cat B prison, anyone of there friends/family could find out where I live but I don’t feel the need to own a large dog , I currently have a lurcher , I have handled dogs in a cat A prison and I know how to control an aggressive dog but to own an xl bully or the likes of one is something for my safety, my family and members of public I would never do .
the it’s the owners not the dogs prograde really get on my nerves too , sure there’s friendly xl bully’s but if that dogs instinct kicks in no one , not even the most loving caring owner is going to stop it from attacking, they are breed to fight end of , they are purely breed for fighting not guarding or hunting, it runs deep in there DNA .
I’m sick of when I’m out walking my dog being scared to death of these huge dogs, the local woods where I am they are still being walked off lead by arrogant owners, who give me dirty looks when I pick my tiny lurcher up and walk the other way , I should not have to feel the need to do that , it’s intimidating and quite frankly very scary .
Personally and it’s only personally it should be an outright ban of these breeds.
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As I say, it's interesting, Chows are fighting dogs, but there again Freud had one. Would you have banned him?
As for the man who put his hand out to greet a strange dog, like literally, who does that? Here's an XL Bully, no idea where its owner is, let's give it a random stroke.
Re: the XL Bully, yeah, it's the Kimbo line, that's where the innate aggression (instinct) comes from. The solution is simple, test the DNA, find Kimbo and take the necessary precautions. It's just factually incorrect to say 'they are a breed to fight end of'. There's a reason, and it involves profit.
And while some (who work in places with massive security) might find it 'ridiculous' that others with barely any protection at all feel frightened, it seems fairly obvious to me, especially as without that security they find themselves pretty intimidated and scared.
Dog licences are clearly the way to sort this out. If you can prove that you have the right skills, and won't leave your dog alone for more than 3 hours (socialisation is basically the bottom line when it comes to bit inhibition), then sure, you're a responsible pet owner. If you can't, then you should be banned from keeping any sort of dog.
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Chow Chows were never bred for fighting, they were bred as table meat. My Uncle bred them in the 1960s. What's Freud got to do with this thread :-\
Tibetan Mastiffs are the protecting dogs for the yaks as well as Monasteries.
Dog Licence won't work any more than the Dangerous Dogs Act has done. It will never stop back street breeding/keeping of dogs. It will never stop the moving of dogs around in pubs/car parks.
I always greet a dog off the lead. The local XL is muzzled, on a strong lead and as soft as butter. The owner knows exactly what she is doing. I would never want a bull breed because of the history. They weigh a ton of muscle - if my cocker could pull me over when she chased a mouse !! these dogs are all power and no one can control them.
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Elkwarning , that’s a really silly
statement to make regarding my position of security within my job , do you think I have personal security walking me to my car after every shift and security escorting me home and then sitting outside my house to make sure I’m safe ?
Every prison officer is vulnerable when leaving work there is only security when within the prison .
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Also agree with CLKD , dog licence’s won’t work clearly the dangerous dog act isn’t working.
And yeah what’s Freud got to do with anything?
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ElkWarning are you saying that no one working more than 3 hours a day outside the home should be allowed to own a dog? That's an awful lot of the population unless you always work from home, are retired or unemployed.
I don't know what job you can get for only a couple of hours a day unless you're after pin money. How do you arrive at 3 hours? My daughter had to work when she became a single parent- fortunately I Iive with them now but even I go out for the day sometimes. Would she have had to get rid of their much loved 11 year old dog?
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Any1 know where the 'dog breeds' thread might be, I intended to copy and past but can't find it >:(
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None of these XLs are used as guard dogs, the majority that have killed people have been pets. I have no issues with guard dogs,my own GS patrolled our garden and dare anyone come into her property when she was out and about but mostly she was a pet,a big old sop with us but when she was walked she had a harness and a halti on,which controlled her. These XLs are a completely different animal altogether,bred for fighting,nothing but muscle and teeth.
The deaths of humans are well into double figures now and don't get me started on the deaths of peoples little dogs.
I agree with Asher,complete ban on them now,the owners have had fair warning,yet deaths are still happening
Agree clkd,licensing is pointless,only the responsible people would get them 🤷♀️
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So, CLKD, what she is saying is that neither the man nor her dangerous dog were in view >:( so it was allowed to roam free without a muzzle. Although I do have to say that the man wasn't exactly the sharpest tool if voluntarily offered his arm to an XL!
I also agree with a total ban. A dog's instinct is to attack a weaker animal, no matter their size, but the smaller the dog the smaller the injuries are likely to be. These dogs may be total softies in their owners eye, until they aren't, and it just takes that split second for them to kill another animal or human. Owners have proven that they can't ensure the safety of everyone else and every other animal, so they can't be allowed to put others at risk. I will say that every vet I've spoken to has always said golden retrievers are the nastiest dogs, and that's been my experience too. I know one that has attacked another dog and one that has attacked 6 other dogs and the owner tells everyone it's friendly >:( >:( >:( That is one breed I would never own, and always go out of my way to avoid.
Dog licensing is definitely not the way to resolve the problems, and it's not like they assess every owner to see if they are "suitable", plus using criteria like "are you always home" is ridiculous. Plenty of dogs are happy, well looked after and properly socialised by owners who are working 9-5, whilst others are unhappy and mistreated by people who never leave the house.
I can't do the multiple quotes thing ??? hence the random comments :-*
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U random away.
I too have talked to Vets during the 1990s at the time the Dangerous Dogs Act was muted, who find many golden retrievers unreliable. Terriers are treated with suspicion due to their nature. Mine would nip first then lick to say 'sorry' .........
There are many Laws in the UK i.e. two or more breeding bitches have to be registered with the Local Authority. How will that work? If owners don't know the Law : no one that I have spoken too over the years since the 1980s have been aware, dog owners or not. And LAs don't know where these owners are :-\
A Licensing system doesn't work. 7/6 ::). Dogs roamed freely when I was a kid. Especially if there was a butcher shop close by ;-)
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Getting-old,did you see the link I posted a few posts back? That woman was doing literally nothing to provoke that attack but she was obviously nervous when that monster of an animal came right up in her face and they sense the fear. I too agree with an outright ban,they've had their chance to prove these dogs can be safely kept but the attacks and deaths keep happening.
I have been bitten once in my entire life,by a ...........Pekingese!! ;D
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My Grans Peke was unreliable. A Black and Tan fluff ball she was until she wasn't >:(
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Getting-old,did you see the link I posted a few posts back? That woman was doing literally nothing to provoke that attack but she was obviously nervous when that monster of an animal came right up in her face and they sense the fear. I too agree with an outright ban,they've had their chance to prove these dogs can be safely kept but the attacks and deaths keep happening.
I have been bitten once in my entire life,by a ...........Pekingese!! ;D
I did. I was referring to the man who decided it would be a good idea to pet an unleashed XL. You're right, they can sense fear, fraility, weakness, etc. which isn't exactly unexpected if you're approached by something like the XL. I think we'd all be the same.
When I was a child we visited friends who had a corgi that was a rescue, and very large. The dog was under the table as we all ate tea. Someone's napkin was sliding off their lap so they tried to grab it, and the dog took a chunk out of their hand :'(
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Corgis and terriers in general are nippers. The former herded cattle by nipping the heels to keep them moving.
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What worries me is these people who deem it necessary to have these brutes when they have young children,kids trip and fall all the time,or run,step on the dogs tail etc,yes,with a smaller dog,they MIGHT get a nasty nip but with these XLs?? Another report today of a man attacked in the street,life changing near fatal injuries and so it goes on >:(
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:'(
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Dog out of control in a Public Place .......... ??? The photograph shows a Belgian Melonoise ............. not a GSD.
Police Scotland is trying to find one of its dogs after it went missing near Loch Ness.
The force said Fergie was being walked in a remote area west of Drumnadrochit when she ran off after a deer at about 10:00 on Sunday.
Police said anyone who encountered the German Shepherd should not run away or towards her "under any circumstances".
People have been asked to stand still and speak to Fergie as they would to any dog. Police Scotland said: "She may stand and bark and this is normal behaviour for a trained police dog (PD)."
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That breed was in the papers last week (England) attacked someone quite viscously apparently.
Yet more bully XL attacks too,will it ever end?
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Yep, it was a Belgian Shepherd last week: there are 4 varieties, the most known is the Turvenan. KC tried to amalgamate all 4 under one 'breed' in the 1990s.
For the Police to lose a working dog is Out of Order! :-\
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Did it chase a deer or something? Is that the same one?
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I was recently out with my sons dog. I saw another dog pounding towards us so I picked mine up. The dog was young but big, doberman type. I ended up kicking it away. The owner ignored my screams for help, sauntered along on his phone. I had to lift my dog onto my shoulder which was hard as he was trying to get free and snarling at the other dog. I ended up with the big dog up my back, paws on my shoulders snapping at my dog. I was terrified. The owner arrived and told me to chill, that it was a pup and wouldn't hurt me. He stunk of cannabis. I gave up arguing as he had his dog by then and was scared he'd set it free again. I could hardly walk home, my legs were like jelly. My dog was also shaken up. I reported him with description to the council dog warden but doubt he'll be caught.
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Yes jaypo.
A spray used would probably turn the Police onto us rather than the person with 'dog out of control'.
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Omg Jules how awful for you, I sympathise so so much with you,my tiny little poodle mix was attacked by an off lead dog,it was the most terrible thing I ever had to witness. I now carry a spray with me at all times,don't care if it's right or wrong,if you start hitting a dog,it could just turn on you,at least with a spray to the nose or eyes,it will probably run
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Omg Jules how awful for you, I sympathise so so much with you,my tiny little poodle mix was attacked by an off lead dog,it was the most terrible thing I ever had to witness. I now carry a spray with me at all times,don't care if it's right or wrong,if you start hitting a dog,it could just turn on you,at least with a spray to the nose or eyes,it will probably run
I know. I thought it was going to attack my leg. I felt a nervous wreck all night. A spray is a good idea. I will get one. Thanks.
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Make sure it's something that will sting .
Bloody chavs and their dogs,makes my blood boil,so glad you and your doggy are ok xx
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Make sure it's something that will sting .
Bloody chavs and their dogs,makes my blood boil,so glad you and your doggy are ok xx
Thankyou.
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How R U this morning Jules? It's a shock and so un-necessary!
The noise of the aerosol should be enough to send a dog running.
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How R U this morning Jules? It's a shock and so un-necessary!
The noise of the aerosol should be enough to send a dog running.
Yes Im fine. This incident happened two weeks ago. It was awful though. Not just the dog but it's moronic owner who also scared me. The dog warden said without an address etc there was little they could do but with the description they are going to keep an eye open when out on patrol. He's not even my dog and that was also on my mind, he's like a baby to my son and partner. Trying to hold a medium sized dog at shoulder height is not mean feat.
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No need to go to the Gym for you then! Also we tend to shout which encourages dogs to investigate. I don't think that I've ever had the sense to keep quiet when similar situations happen, too busy protecting my dog/s.
Did the Police dog turn up yet?
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1 July 2024
A police dog that went missing near Loch Ness on Sunday morning has been found safe and well.
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Reading through Wood Green Rehoming web-site, several dogs obviously have behavioural problems. 1 large dog is apparently not keen to get off the sofa when 'asked'. Well to me that spells disaster! When I got my puppy she wasn't allowed on the furniture or bed until I knew that she would get off on command without grumbling.
Some of the 'breeds' to be re-homed are enormous! One apparently shouldn't have dogs visiting 'his' house as he is protective of his property. I do wonder how much knowledge these places actually have around canines:
My House, My Visitors ........ often I had 3/4 dogs here at the same time with no problems because I was boss. My dog never worried about others bouncing in ....... and vistitors were coming to see her not us ;D.
If these dogs are being advertised as un-reliable however well behaved they might be in a rescue centre, they shouldn't be rehomed :-\ :'( .......
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Funny you mention the sofa thing,our 3 small pooches have me and OH squished to either side of the sofa,while they relax in comfort ;D But when we come through with our dinner,all 3 immediately jump down onto the floor and wait until we've finished,the very SECOND we're done,all 3 jump back up again ;D
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:lol: I never allowed my dog to be on the furniture until - oh I see that I've said that already, sorry: having a moment ;)
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Another one clkd? ;D
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I think it's good that they are being up front and honest. Obviously when you get a puppy you can train it as you want to, but older dogs often have a lot of "baggage" and whilst some things can be changed there will always be a risk.
Some people will be fine with not having visitors because of the dog, and if you have a pet then your home is also that pet's home too. Personally I'd be more than happy to tell people they couldn't visit because the dog wouldn't like it ;) ;)
I feel sorry for the dogs who've ended up in these positions, as it's not their fault. I also feel sorry for the rescues because they are trying to look after the dogs after they've been abused and abandoned by people.
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getting_old ........ we no longer have visitors ;D
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Apparently attacks by XL bullies have gone up,since the ban,dozens more people attacked by them,so the muzzle law is working then >:(
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I noticed that too Jaypo >:(...
These dogs just have an evil look about them. I'll never understand why anyone would have these animals!
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Hello my lovely ❣️
Seems a lot in Scotland,mind you,they all came here,when England banned them first.
Yep,can't understand why anyone would want one songbird.
There was a YouTuber who posted herself with her dog and how angry she was at the ban,her XL was just her baby,two weeks later,it had killed her. :'(
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All puppies are cute.
Many of these attacks are in properties. Several have happened because the dogs haven't known visitors. One lad was looking after 4 of these in his brother's property, he wasn't staying there but going in and out. Asking for trouble, that. He didn't survive. The lady who died last year, was visiting .......... her son owned bullies.
Because the public see what is in the News, we aren't shown the success stories where bullies have been chipped etc., where they are taken to run free in specifically registered play areas .......... there are several in South of England, high fences, large feilds. Where dogs of all types can play with their buddies.
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Too many deaths by one breed of dog clkd, another attack in Sheffield the other day,little girl playing in a park, I GET there are responsible owners but these dogs are bred for fighting, this woman on YouTube was seen with her face up to her dog,kissing it etc (it wasn't a puppy btw,but still her "baby") she was defending the breed,so clearly what is thought to be a docile dog,clearly still has that instinct to attack, I wouldn't want to be within 20 feet of one
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Nor me.
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Did you see another child killed by an XL bully? Apparently it was not in his nature to attack and had a close bond with the child 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
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I wasn't aware that it was a banned breed :-\. It was PTS due to the suddenness of the attack.
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Yep,they reported it earlier,why do they STILL insist on having this breed,especially with children around,looked like they lived in a static caravan,go figure 🤷♀️
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The force has not identified the dog's breed.. 10 mins ago. Where did U find out? There's a lot of false news out there :-\
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It's in most of the papers now clkd
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I've asked the North Yorkshire Police to confirm - what is in the media isn't always true - I've started a new thread about false news. Mum always believed that if 'it' was in the Daily Express it had to be true ::)
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The media says it was 'a type of XL bully' It's either an XL Bully or it's not. You can't have a type of XL Bully.
Taz x
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One of the papers said the little girl had told her pals it was a bully XL but yes,maybe just a X breed
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Those 'papers' again >:(. Even so, it's not nice when a loved pet 'turns', but we will never know what happened.
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Interesting that the BBC have altered the statement from earlier >:( 'the BBC understands ....... ' and the info that the Police have yet to release the breed removed!
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Ha the bbc are as bad as the papers,lots of people have now said it was an XL,apparently they took it to their local a lot and it was very well behaved.......until,it wasn't >:(
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So sad :'(. There's no rhyme nor reason why a dog 'turns' .......... a nip from my JR was bad enough but a large dog often holds on and screaming will trigger primeval instincts. As U say 'until it isn't' :-\
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Ha the bbc are as bad as the papers,lots of people have now said it was an XL,apparently they took it to their local a lot and it was very well behaved.......until,it wasn't >:(
It would be well behaved with a muzzle on though wouldn't it? The latest reports seem to be saying that they had recently acquired this dog. If it is an XL Bully this is illegal - you can't transfer or sell one. The dog has to be destroyed if it can no longer be kept by it's registered owner. My neighbours with the XL Bully who rent their house - a luxurious house not a horrible one - have to leave as the landlord is selling up. They are finding it impossible to find anywhere else that will take them and the only option is to have him destroyed. He's only two and a beautiful looking dog not a bit like the ones the press always show photos of which are obviously ill treated and aggressive. He wouldn't be my choice but he has been brought up wonderfully and well trained. He walks well on the lead and has got used to the muzzle. Sorry I am digressing! I'm wondering if it's actually an American Bulldog? My cousin has one and has been reported twice so far, since the XL Bully ban, by a member of the public for walking it un-muzzled as they mistook it for an XL Bully.
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Your neighbour is between a rock and a hard place. :'( Time to go onto FB to C where there are lets that take pets, because a landlord cannot in general use pet ownership as an excuse.
There R probably on line groups too that will assist.
American Bulldogs are often the basis for these mixed breeds. Add a pitbull into the mix and you have 1 strong, muscular dog with a powerful set of claws and teeth. With a grip to match.
There's apparently a pitbull on the loose in Peterborough area :o
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Your neighbour is between a rock and a hard place. :'( Time to go onto FB to C where there are lets that take pets, because a landlord cannot in general use pet ownership as an excuse.
A landlord can refuse at the present time. The Renters Reform Bill hasn't gone through yet.
Taz :-\
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Ahhh - will it go through?
I did a quick GOOGLE and the first site came up with 'adult and child bullying' ::) . Apparently Wood Green and other charities are offering support, have they tried? I feel helpless.
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They are still hopeful that they will be able to keep him as according to the rescues they have contacted they are not allowed to take them as it is illegal to rehome, abandon, breed from, give away etc. an xl Bully dog. Don't think there is a way around that. I'll keep you updated. They have until June next year.
Taz x
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However, if they are able to afford it, would a boarding kennel be the way forward? There are many secure fields being set up around the country for exercising dogs off lead, mayB contact them to see if there is a way via such organisations.
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They do use a secure field at the moment. He enjoys being able to run and play but seems to miss the company of other dogs as, obviously, they are not allowed to mix while unmuzzled and off lead in the field. I'm sure they are exploring all of the various possibilities.
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Do let me know. :'(
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Oh what a shame Taz, I hope they find somewhere :'(
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Thanks jaypo and CLKD.
Taz x
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Update 3 hours ago:
"A pet dog which fatally injured a 10-year-old girl was an XL bully, police have confirmed.
"North Yorkshire Police said the animal had been euthanised after it killed Savannah Bentham at her family home near Malton in North Yorkshire on Friday.
Savannah died at the scene despite efforts by medical professionals and a member of the public who came to the family's aid.
"A spokesperson said the dog had been with the family for four years and had a Certificate of Exemption under new legislation introduced in February.
It had also been neutered in line with the law change, they added.
"The police spokesperson confirmed the dog was destroyed by a vet on Tuesday after "detailed independent assessments" to determine its breed.
"To aid the report for the coroner, an autopsy is due to take place on the dog to help determine if there were any medical factors involved," they said".
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They did everything right then. All legal. Poor family.
Taz x :'(
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:'(
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You really can't trust them around children, or any dog for that matter,the only difference is when a dog that size attacks you're in big trouble
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I agree. My JR could give a sharp nip then she would lick my hand to apologise. Ratters ...... my cocker didn't. like smalls, she would growl if anything under 14 came close or if an entire dog was in the fields. I wouldn't allow a child to be in the room with my dog or cats unless I was there!!
With all the publicity :-\ :'(
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It's just unimaginable isn't it? Losing a child is horrific but to be mauled,omg,poor little girl :'(
Our German shepherd was a big lump but I always told my step children,you DO NOT come downstairs in the morning until we're down there, like we've said before,just takes an accidental step on the tail etc for a dog to turn
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Several more by bullies/types in the last 3 weeks. :'(. People who think that they dogs are OK around babies >:(
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Yep a death in my home town,Aberdeen,41 year old woman, the dog had previously attacked another dog apparently,why people still persist with these dogs I've no idea.....Darwinism comes to mind
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;D. ......... certainly cuts out the gene pool to some extent. According to the News the dog warden had informed the woman with the collie that was attacked that unless others came forwards as witnesses nothing could be done! R there different Rules North of our Border? I would have thought that the Vet would have been a witness!
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;D. ......... certainly cuts out the gene pool to some extent. According to the News the dog warden had informed the woman with the collie that was attacked that unless others came forwards as witnesses nothing could be done! R there different Rules North of our Border? I would have thought that the Vet would have been a witness!
Unbelievable! Do you now need to walk your dog with a stranger so you have an independent witness???
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It would seem to B an avoidance of taking action.
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It's the morons who walk these dogs off lead >:(
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Well they are unlikely to be able to hold them anyway if 1/more lunge at a passerby, vehicle, other dog, human ........ weighing 8st+.
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A News update from my comment yesterday:
“A 41-year-old woman was charged following a report of a dog attacking another dog near to Foresterhill Road, Aberdeen, on Friday, 7 June, 2024,” they said.
“The injured dog was taken to a vet for treatment to minor injuries.
“A report was submitted to the procurator fiscal.” This dog went on to kill the owner.
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Not sure why they keep big dogs in those flats, I know that area and it's not the best
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My thoughts exactly when I saw the photos :o there's probably something in the tenancy agreements that states no pets which is why many of these dogs are not socialised!