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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: jaypo on November 14, 2022, 08:00:15 AM
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Read in the papers today that Morrison's have changed the name of their gingerbread man to gingerbread person and another store (maybe Tesco) don't have mansize tissues any more but extra large tissues.Sometimes this country makes me shake my head,I'd NEVER purposely offend anyone but being a woman myself,these things don't bother me in the slightest, I have more pressing things to worry about.Maybe I should complain to Morrison's that the word ginger offends my daughter,as she has beautiful long red hair.
I know times they are a changin but is the word man really offensive?
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:) Doesn’t offend me . x
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I find this kind of thing absolutely unbelievable, Jaypo :cuss: I am certainly not offended. There seems to be more and more of this kind of “thought process”. I do a lot of “shaking my head in disbelief” I have to say.
I wonder what our grandparents would make of it all if they were here :o
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Woke makes me angry. Years ago we gave up the word 'gay' ....... now we can't call people her or him !!! JK Rowling gets a lot of internet flak due to her insistence on continuing to remind others that women give birth, we have periods, women have a womb ..........that we aren't people who bleed, who have a womb etc..
Do those in HQ at Morrisons have nowt better to do and do they not realise that it's a cookie .........
I would complain about the 'ginger' aspect Jaypo. But then, that's my take on it.
I am offended by those who won't let Nature 'be'!
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Also - ginger bread men have never been obviously male ............ would 1 bite that section off first :whist:
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Wasn't it in a story long ago? The gingerbread man? It's only a continuation of that,I just don't know what you can and cannot say these days,JK Rowling got into trouble for saying only women have periods but isn't she correct? And my daughter once told me rather abruptly......that you don't say Eskimo any more,aaaarrggghhh I give up ;D come winter I'll be building my snow PERSON ;D
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Absolutely not. I am proud to be a woman, female, whatever, my husband is proud to be a man, male. We dont want to be called anything different and it should be up to the individual to decide. Why should someone come along and tell us what words we can and can't use. I will use whatever words I want, thank you very much! Actresses can't be called actresses anymore, we must call them actors. Is that not the word for a male person who acts? Utter nonsense! So many snowflakes out there. Who has time to waste worrying about being constantly offended. Should we call this website 'Personopause Matters'?!! ;D
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;D ;D ;D
Oh that DID make me laugh Holidaylover.....personopause ;D
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:lol: at my age I won't even try to remember what people want to 'be known as'. OK if they change their name: someone we know has done that : anything more addles and already addled brain ::)
I hate mixed sex Hospital Wards.
The ginger bread man is a story: Muffin man is mentioned in parts of 'Shrek' quite visibly. As do many other characters from Nursery Rhymes etc. Each time I note some that I missed - however many times I've watched the films ;).
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Seems there are too many people out there get offended easily,I'm totally behind there being no more sexism against women etc but this woke lot and snowflakes make me so angry. Soon there will be no more comedians as they are all terrified of reprisal,such a shame :-\
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I turn this on it's head: I will become offended if those who want to be known as 'they' etc., don't accept that I can't remember .............. ;)
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Run, run as fast as you can you can't catch me I'm the gingerbread person. Brilliant rhyming
Taz :-X
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;D ;D
Yep,clkd, I don't get the ones who want to be referred to as "they" THEY are attention seekers as far as I can tell >:(
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Read in the papers today that Morrison's have changed the name of their gingerbread man to gingerbread person and another store (maybe Tesco) don't have mansize tissues any more but extra large tissues.Sometimes this country makes me shake my head,I'd NEVER purposely offend anyone but being a woman myself,these things don't bother me in the slightest, I have more pressing things to worry about.Maybe I should complain to Morrison's that the word ginger offends my daughter,as she has beautiful long red hair.
I know times they are a changin but is the word man really offensive?
Doesn't offend me at all, it's ridiculous.
As you say there are far more important things going on in the world than that xx
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Absolutely discogirl
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Also - should someone dash into a Police Station shouting 'they attacked me' .......... that's more than 1, surely ?
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We’re part of a sinking ship if we go along with this nonsense :'(
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I think the media blow it all out of proportion but minorities shout the loudest
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I think the media blow it all out of proportion but minorities shout the loudest
This is so true, and it's the reason why I totally refuse to define myself as Getting_Old (she/her/him/they/it)!!!!
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Sadly in Canada many Laws have been altered 'to accommodate' this new trend. Which puts women in particular at high risk.
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Sadly in Canada many Laws have been altered 'to accommodate' this new trend. Which puts women in particular at high risk.
The Oakville teacher?? Someone was telling me about that the other day :o
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And can we worry that Christmas as we have known it could be no more? All the good old songs we have grown to love, 'God rest ye merry gentlepeople', 'Mary's person child', 'Little Drummer Person' and 'Gender neutral Santa Claus is coming to town' (There was actually a poll carried out where people thought Santa Claus should be gender neutral, and a mother got into terrible bother for calling 'him' Father Christmas as this wasn't gender neutral. How dare she? Personally, I love a good old fashioned Christmas and when it snows I'm going out to build me a snowperson! ;)
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What WILL this country come to? I completely understand if someone is gay and I understand that transgender people feel they've been born into the wrong body and I have no issues with them either tbh but for some reason this country seems to bow to the minorities and gender neutral "humans" (am I allowed to say that)? Seem to think we should all think as them,and have EVERYTHING gender neutral,how many of these people are there? 0.5%? Probably even less.
Yes,it used to be a mans world but we're getting over that now but these people seem to want us all to forget tradition and forget gender and the companies that bow to that are pathetic and I think we should all write to Morrison's personager ;D ;D
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Our closest Morrisons is 15 miles away ;). I will be looking at other stores, as an aside Waitrose mince pies use by date is mid November ::)
Sometimes the man sitting not too far away from me upsets me ........ a good :kick: usually sorts it.
As another aside: there were more climate activists at the COP meetings in Egypt than Delegates :o which is how Laws get pushed through.
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What WILL this country come to? I completely understand if someone is gay and I understand that transgender people feel they've been born into the wrong body and I have no issues with them either tbh but for some reason this country seems to bow to the minorities and gender neutral "humans" (am I allowed to say that)? Seem to think we should all think as them,and have EVERYTHING gender neutral,how many of these people are there? 0.5%? Probably even less.
Yes,it used to be a mans world but we're getting over that now but these people seem to want us all to forget tradition and forget gender and the companies that bow to that are pathetic and I think we should all write to Morrison's personager ;D ;D
This 100%
What if the wee gingerbread men dont want to be a gingerbread person. Lets stand up for all the gingerbreads out there who don't have a voice! :(
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What about the band Manfred Mann ::)
I remember reading about a couple who THEY decided to bring their daughter up gender neutral so she could decide when old enough which sex (if any) she wanted to be, I really could flatten these idiots,is it just this country or are other countries as bad?
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It's certainly the 1st World that seems to advertise these issues. Remembering that in the Middle and Far East, being gay is a punishable offence, by death in some places. Which is why the World Cup shouldn't take place where it is - human rights aren't the same as ours.
However, in Thailand ::).
Also, it's been said in recent weeks by a Paediatric Consultant that most of these children who feel that they are 'in the wrong bodies', once through puberty accept their born gender. So where are the parents in this?
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Was Mannfred Mann 'Mathew and son?' :-\
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Think that was Cat Stevens ???
Matthew and He/she/they
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As a complete aside regarding Matthew and Son - I was travelling with my Dad when we passed a Seed Merchants who were X and son - he suddenly burst into Matthew and Son ;D I had no idea that he even listened to pop music :rofl: 1 of my happier moments with Dad.
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Good grief, I have just googled 'the Oakville teacher'. Is this actually true? Think I'd be removing my children from that school to be honest. I'm all for people being who they want to be but this is just ridiculous!
(and wrong and worrying).
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Good grief,just looked it up too holidaylover,they would take someone's eye out :o
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Criky - women with breasts those sizes would be asking for surgical intervention due to such a weight causing back/knee pains ::). Shows men have no idea how large breast might impact !
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I think that's a bit over the top...just call it a gingerbread cookie if "man" is an issue.
So at work, we cannot refer to the children as "boys and girls", they must be addressed as 'friends". Being the generation I am, saying boys and girls when calling children was what I grew up with and used all my life. Now we are being asked to be considerate of any children in the program that don't identify as either or as opposite. I work with ages 7-11 years and in all the time I have worked there, no child has ever had a gender issue that I was aware of.
Manhole covers are now called maintenance holes or access holes...come on. Who would be offended by that in the first place?
What's this about the Oakville teacher?
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I’m all for being what you feel is right. I love being me, a woman! I shall continue being referred to as she/her! So there! ::)
I remember being told told I shouldn’t call a blackboard a blackboard, when I was a teacher. Instead, it was to be called a chalk board. Then whiteboards were introduced. I queried whether we were allowed to call them whiteboards and was told I was being silly! My conclusion was that black people were judged to be sensitive and white people not! And I thought I was just describing the colour. ::)
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Good grief, I have just googled 'the Oakville teacher'. Is this actually true? Think I'd be removing my children from that school to be honest. I'm all for people being who they want to be but this is just ridiculous!
(and wrong and worrying).
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Ok, I found the article...this in is my hometown and it's the first I've heard of it.
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That infuriates me,you can't call them boys and girls? But THAT is exactly what they are,children are going to grow up so confused,I'll be a girl today but think I'll be a boy tomorrow.....absolute twoddle >:(
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Good grief, I have just googled 'the Oakville teacher'. Is this actually true? Think I'd be removing my children from that school to be honest. I'm all for people being who they want to be but this is just ridiculous!
(and wrong and worrying).
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Agree. At first I thought it was a joke too, and I'd definitely remove my kids from this school. You see reports about kids being sent home from school because they aren't wearing appropriate clothing, and I remember how we had uniform checks at our school, yet it seems they don't have standards for teachers? What sort of message does it send?
Also, what about health and safety?
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I think that's a bit over the top...just call it a gingerbread cookie if "man" is an issue.
So at work, we cannot refer to the children as "boys and girls", they must be addressed as 'friends". Being the generation I am, saying boys and girls when calling children was what I grew up with and used all my life. Now we are being asked to be considerate of any children in the program that don't identify as either or as opposite. I work with ages 7-11 years and in all the time I have worked there, no child has ever had a gender issue that I was aware of.
Manhole covers are now called maintenance holes or access holes...come on. Who would be offended by that in the first place?
What's this about the Oakville teacher?
It must be a complete nightmare for you.
Children aren't supposed to be a teacher's friends! They are children and the teacher is an adult. It's that whole thing about parents being parents, and not their child's friend. My worry is that teaching children that adults are their friends could lead to all sort of problems. There are enough issues with children being groomed online by adults pretending to be children without making them view every adult as their friend. I remember all those ads when I was young about not trusting strangers, not getting into a car with someone you didn't know, etc, and now this is saying every adult is your friend >:(
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Well said Girls 8)
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The world has gone truly mad ladies,sorry,persons ;D
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I think that's a bit over the top...just call it a gingerbread cookie if "man" is an issue.
So at work, we cannot refer to the children as "boys and girls", they must be addressed as 'friends". Being the generation I am, saying boys and girls when calling children was what I grew up with and used all my life. Now we are being asked to be considerate of any children in the program that don't identify as either or as opposite. I work with ages 7-11 years and in all the time I have worked there, no child has ever had a gender issue that I was aware of.
Manhole covers are now called maintenance holes or access holes...come on. Who would be offended by that in the first place?
What's this about the Oakville teacher?
It must be a complete nightmare for you.
Children aren't supposed to be a teacher's friends! They are children and the teacher is an adult. It's that whole thing about parents being parents, and not their child's friend. My worry is that teaching children that adults are their friends could lead to all sort of problems. There are enough issues with children being groomed online by adults pretending to be children without making them view every adult as their friend. I remember all those ads when I was young about not trusting strangers, not getting into a car with someone you didn't know, etc, and now this is saying every adult is your friend >:(
I believe the use of "friends" was directed more toward the children being a group of friends, we are more like mentors, play partners, role models etc. rather than friends. The program is about children interacting with other children and initiating play, we just facilitate it. I don't consider any of the kids as a friend, really.
It's also difficult to get used and I often catch myself saying boys or girls or boys and girls and I feel rather awkward when I correct myself, same as my co-worker.
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I would stick to what I know! Kids know usually what they are. Confusion reigns?
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But they ARE boys and girls,all children are going to be super confused,it'll be a case of.....which sex will I be today,even writing this I'm thinking....has everyone REALLY gone mad? :-\
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That’s just the point CC, if you’re able don’t correct yourself.
Of course people who are working have to safeguard their jobs, that’s completely understandable, but those of us who no longer work are far more able to speak out and we should in what ever way we can on your behalf.
That’s the way I look at it.
Quite honestly it makes me feel sick!
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It seems like they are actually trying to encourage children to be gender neutral or change gender. Soon they'll be feeling guilty if they are happy as they are. How are people going to feel when they get to 25 and decide they should have stayed as maie / female instead of going through numerous surgeries etc to end up being someone they never really wanted to be?
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Old article, but seriously https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-doctors-told-not-call-9714748 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-doctors-told-not-call-9714748)
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It's crazy,how many transgender people do Drs ACTUALLY deal with but this also baffles me,a woman who decides so strongly she wants to be a man but oh no,wait,I'll keep my womb and ovaries so I can have a baby,sorry honey,you're still a woman >:(
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getting_old, that is absolutely nuts. For a woman feeling so strongly that she wanted to become a man because she felt she had been born into the wrong body, then delaying the procedure just so that she can have a baby first, is disgusting, and I don't think she should not have been allowed to have a child. Signs of a very mixed up mind in my opinion. And what would become of the child's mind? And, if my doctor referred to me as a 'pregnant person', as opposed to a 'mother' I would be offended. It's like men and women, (who are happy to be plain and simply 'men and women') are not allowed have an opinion so as not offend the minority of people who wish to be recognised as something else. Are there parents that actually get their kids up for school in the morning and quite happily ask them what they shall be identifying as today? I'm sick of being told this is normal now, it really isn't. 'Otherkin' - someone who identifies as non human or not entirely human, and may identify as wolves, clouds, dragons or cartoon characters' REALLY!! Has this to be taken seriously? Do they still have sex education lessons in schools these days? How on earth do they tackle that now? It must be so confusing for young minds to get their heads round it all. I would hate to be young again.
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Has anyone seen the article in two of the National papers about a women being thrown out of the public gallery for wearing a suffragette scarf and at Scottish trans debate.
Even though two women at the debate were wearing rainbow lanyards.
I’m off to buy some suffragette badges to give to female relatives for Christmas.
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Dedicated Suffragette badges are in the antiques trade - very very expensive especially if they have Provenance. I met a dealer years ago who had certificates for each piece that she was selling as she had traced them back to specific members of the Movement.
But colours will do. I did see that headline but haven't read the article, it would make me so cross >:(. Was she white, I wonder if words would have been said to a black woman?
A few years ago a man had a baby then decided to be called a woman, he went to Court a few times to be named 'mother' on the child's birth certificate >:(. Fortunately his plea was thrown out.
Humans need safe spaces. End of. When I was young I knew that I was a girl going to have periods and grow into a woman. I was expected to have babies too but missed that through choice. Even at 8 I didn't conform ;-)
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Marchlove, I have had a look at the article. The one I saw showed a picture of the woman wearing the scarf but it claimed that she did not want to be identified!! This seems strange as the lady in question in Racheal Hamilton MSP for the Scottish Borders. She is in the Conservative Party. She was asked to remove it or leave because 'political slogans are not allowed' and she questions who decided suffragette colours are political.
She has also posted a picture on her twitter page of Nicola Sturgeon and a group of women draped in purple and green!!!!
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I don’t understand all the politics of it holidaylover, I’m sure a lot of it is!
I think my point is that I just feel women are being side tracked and I want to do something about it.
What though??
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Marchlove, exactly. No, I don't understand the politics in it at all, in fact I don't understand very much about politics full stop. But what I do understand is that women should not be made to feel scared or less a person just because of their gender. I will refuse to use a toilet (or restaurant/shop for that matter), that insists on me using 'all for one' gender neutral toilets and changing rooms. This, in my mind has absolutely nothing to do with politics but it seems to be getting in the way. Everywoman should be singing from the same hymn sheet. Nicola Sturgeon's government also introduced a new policy in the summer, which set out how transgender men and non-binary people "may also experience menopause". The Scottish Government has also placed sanitary products in male toilets for their transgender users. If we have 'mixed' toilets I certainly would not feel comfortable changing my sanitary product whilst in the same room as a man (or whatever he/she wants to call themselves.)
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OMG that all sounds mad!
What do the general population think of all this?
Ok, small steps, going to do whatever I can x
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I agree holidaylover,sturgeon needs her head testing,now literally ANYONE can say......I'm a trans woman I'm using the women's toilets,when in fact they ARE NOT a trans woman,just wait for all the reports on peeping toms.....can I say Toms?🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
I agree Marchlove,you feel you need to do something but very rarely do we actually do anything but I've written to Morrison's and told them how ridiculous they are being and you can contact your local mp x
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Assaults have taken place in womens' prison areas by trans men who insisted that because they call themselves 'women', apparently they have Human Rights to be housed where women should feel safer.
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Sorry ladies I have made a big boob!! :boobs: The Lady in question was not Rachael Hamilton. It was someone in the public gallery. Rachael's picture in the article confused me because she is also wearing a green and purple scarf! However, the lady has now had an apology, and rightly so.
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That's OK. An apology is far too late though to the lady asked to leave - it's a public gallery ? :-\
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No worries holidaylover 8)
It’s opened my eyes to how political it all is, so I’m grateful for that.
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Doesn't it seem that these TINY minorities are all given huge priorities,yet the majority are forgotten about and why? Because none of us speak up enough and that includes me
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Don't make any difference if we do speak up. We don't have money behind us, nor the time to go out with placards shouting our particular cause. Many of these are known activists - seen on many a picket line over the years. Same with the National Trust - were taken over the some lobby or other due to sheer numbers present >:(
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But look at all these IDIOTS who hold up traffic and what happens? The police offer them cups of tea,emergency services stopped in their tracks,people trying to get to schools to pick up their children and these people yet again are in the minority,half of them with nothing better to do.We should take a leaf out of Germany's book,the protesters who super glued themselves to VW dealership,at the end of the day,all the staff left and shut them in ;D ;D
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Oh yes and they complained they had no light or heating ;D
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And couldn't go for a wee wee ;D ;D
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These kind of people just love the limelight and would protest about absolutely anything. Who on earth can afford to spend all day protesting. Do these people not work? After the boob I made earlier today, I have just been, funnily enough for my mammogram and it got me thinking (whilst my droopy post menopausal boob was plopped out on the slab) that surely it can't just be 'females' having mammograms now. Would that not be sexist?! Anyone who wants to identify as a woman (but who is clearly not) should be made to have their breast squeezed into a vice like contraption. See if they like being a woman then. Obviously, it would be very difficult for them to have a smear test but we all have breasts. ;)
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Men can request mammograms if they are going as females ::). And yes, the machines were designed by a woman. Apparently >:(
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Got mine on Friday holidaylover 😫
Yes,all attention seekers >:(
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Goodluck Jaypo, I was dreading mine as I found it really sore last time. Think the nurse was a bit slapdash, however it was fine today.
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Oh dearie me. I nearly fainted last time I had my mammogram ??? I thought it was sore and felt the colour drain from me. One of the nurses said….
“I think she’s going to go. Quick, get her some chocolate” I recovered sharpish ;D ;D
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Thank you holidaylover.
I only have little boobets,it's never hurt that much ::)
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You'll be fine Jaypo ;)
I'm just such a wuss. Jumped off the table at a cervical smear appointment too ;D
I'm surprisingly OK with bowel screening ::)
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Smear tests should be offered to everyone, I can’t understand why they’re not ;D
Us ladies can’t get them routinely so opening up the criteria might make them more available maybe!
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Smears are offered to 'at risk' age groups. Occasionally someone might be affected either side of the age groups. After 70 we have to ask. Same for mammograms.
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Smear tests should be offered to everyone, I can’t understand why they’re not ;D
Us ladies can’t get them routinely so opening up the criteria might make them more available maybe!
Oh they should definitely have smear tests. If they want to be women they should have the full experience!!! but of course they want to pick and choose the best bits >:(
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Has anyone else had a smear test recently? I've not had one since before the start of Covid and can't remember before that when I had one last so I must be due one soon. Something else I don't look forward to and now I suffer from VA I am dreading it. Do we inform the practitioner that we suffer from this before the procedure?!!!! Flipping heck, how easy it is to digress from the initial subject.!!!! Much apologies!!!!!
I'm 'man'ifesting signs of digression !!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Maybe we all should become men ;D
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I demand the word 'man' be removed from 'woman'!! I am offended!! ;D I am a woperson now!!
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Ah, just thought, if we decided to become men it might be easier to get our GP’s to prescribe testosterone ;D
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I likes a good meander I does ;D
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Haha woperson that's much better ;D
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Hang on I spend most of the day wandering around wondering 'who' I might be :D
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Haha, I got a response from Morrison's today thanking me for my feedback and it will be sent to the relevant people,blah blah,you should all contact them,that's where the problem is,the majority stay silent
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They probably don't notice jaypo. ::)
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Has anyone else had a smear test recently? I've not had one since before the start of Covid and can't remember before that when I had one last so I must be due one soon. Something else I don't look forward to and now I suffer from VA I am dreading it. Do we inform the practitioner that we suffer from this before the procedure?!!!! Flipping heck, how easy it is to digress from the initial subject.!!!! Much apologies!!!!!
I'm 'man'ifesting signs of digression !!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Hi Holidaylover
I had a smear at the beginning of last year. I told the nurse that I had VA and that I wanted the small "thingy" inserted (they have different sizes) ;)
I normally dread it but, have to say, I had no problems at all this time so make sure they use the small thingy ;D
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I demand the word 'man' be removed from 'woman'!! I am offended!! ;D I am a woperson now!!
but only Mon - Wed, then you can be a man Thu & Fri, and not sure at the weekends ;D
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I’m thinking of going for alternative days.
Keep everyone on their toes 8)
Thank you for the small thingy advice Songbird xx
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It is my pleasure Marchlove ;)
Nothing worse than a big "thingy!" No, hold on!
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:bighug:
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Hahahaha now I've got an excuse if my OH is feeling frisky,no,sorry dear,I'm a man today ;D ;D
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Songbird, everyday's a school day, I never knew they came in different sizes! ;)
Jaypo, ;D ;D ;D As long as your OH is not a woman that day!!!
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Oh no,never thought of that holidaylover ;D ;D
I've had a hysterectomy songbird so I get no "thingy" at all ;D
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No “thingy” for you Jaypo :'(. Think of what you’re missing out on - not! :o
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So just out of interest, I wonder how many men are offended by this too? I mean what's so bad about being a man that a piece of biscuit can't be called a (gingerbread) man??
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Geez. I better not be asking for ladies fingers at the supermarket now - I might get linched :o
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Aaaahahaha Also Tena lady will now be Tena person.
Oh I don't know getting old,some of these people want men fazed out altogether,I'm all for equal rights for men and women but it's this MINUTE minority that don't associate with being either that seem to be causing issues
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I've read today about a top level swimmer in the US who came joint 5th to a man. She was gold that the man (trans) would be 5th, she had to accept the 6th place. Now this trans person is being put forward for the best swimmer of the year.
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I've read today about a top level swimmer in the US who came joint 5th to a man. She was gold that the man (trans) would be 5th, she had to accept the 6th place. Now this trans person is being put forward for the best swimmer of the year.
But why?? What reason can they possibly have for not allowing them to be joint 5th?
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Pandering to the trans man wanting to swim against the real women, he was something like 500-sh in the US so decided that he could win by 'becoming a woman' - my query was why go down beyond 3rd anyway :-\ .... after all, 1 person wins what ever the Sport.
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Geez. I better not be asking for ladies fingers at the supermarket now - I might get linched :o
Post of the year :medal: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Oh thanks Getting-Old. I was quite chuffed with that one ;D ;D
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Has anybody seen this, about parents challenging the new RSE curriculum?
Horrifying :'(
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-welsh-government-loses-a-significant
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Well,here's a new one, a Scottish museum has said calling mummies mummies,is dehumanising and they should now be called mummified person.
Is it just me or is this country ABSOLUTELY BONKERS!?!
Read that article Marchlove,horrifying indeed :-\
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:o :o....
Well, I've heard it all now Jaypo. Bonkers indeed!
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I know a man that does offend me. :rofl:
A bit like all of them! ;D
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:rofl: Yeah, blinking annoying, the lot of them, Jilly ;D
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it should stop! Mummying is a form of embalming ::) but of course,
that's in Scotland :whist: where 'they' think that 16 year olds can make good decisions. Well I'm well past 16 and still wonder about my choices ::)
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Oh, geez, I know CLKD. It's a joke! You can get married at 16 up here but don't expect to be able to buy a glass of wine to toast your nuptials. I'm eyeing up houses in Yorkshire - hubby is half English. If more daft decisions are made, we're off! I'll say no more :(
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I'll be joining you songbird,now Nicola Rottweiler is away to waste even more tax payers money to take the gender reform thing to court,can you imagine a 16 year old boy going.....hmmm,think I'll be a woman,then they'll be in all the women only areas 😩
Apparently it's dehumanising clkd,to call them mummies,beam me up scotty,wait a minute,isn't that racist ;D :D
Surely not Jill ;D
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Northumberland would be my choice or in the Borders ;-). There's too much of Yorkshire, it's vast :o
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Yep, Jaypo, Nicoliar is skilled at wasting hardworking tax payers' money - doing it yet again with this crazy bill >:(
Her and her crazy party do not speak for me or mine that's for sure...
Yep, CLKD, Northumberland would do me fine if the unthinkable happens :o
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I think this bill is going against her though songbird, I mean it's a tiny minority she's "standing up" for" I think she's just using it to say to the Scots......oh look,England is telling us what to do again,omg I hate her >:(
I'd go back to Wiltshire,it's such a lovely place
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According to a Poll over 75% of Scots would vote against a referendum.
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My view is that there are some people who really struggle with their gender or sexual identity and need support. There are many reasons for this and it can be very difficult to live with, often to the point of suicide. So my heart goes out to them.
However, Nicola Sturgeon's GR legislation is not universally supported by the Scots, of whom I am one. She speaks as if we are of one voice. It is the first time some MSPs in her party have seriously disagreed with legislation put forward, and the SNP is run with the tightest 3-line whip you will ever see. We are fed up with government overreach and interference in private and family life. Also, the legislation is full of inconsistencies with UK law at present because no-one thought through the implications seriously enough.
Not sure about 75% on a referendum. Think it would still be close, but it is not going to be the slam dunk Nicola thinks. This recent nonsense, plus a few other things, will have an impact. And there are many Scots who would support independence but not under the SNP.
Back to the gingerbread man! As others have said, he stems from a story and even if he didn't so what?! I will still be making gingerbread men, and snow men and calling them that!
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Oh Zoe please don't get me wrong, I have no issues whatsoever with people who truly have gender issues,I support them all the way,it's just at the age of 16 you can't drink in a pub but yet she thinks they can change sex at the drop of a hat. I used to always vote SNP for years but not to have independence,just when they wanted their own parliament etc,think you'll always get your die hard "leavers" blimey,Scotland can hardly cope WITH the help of Westminster 😩
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Until the age of 16 children have to take a parent/guardian into a GPs/hospital appt..
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Jaypo, I totally agree. Should have made that clearer - sorry!
Age 16/17 is far too young to be making these life-impacting decisions, especially without any real medical or other support. The legislation is probably not going to give these young folk the support and protection they need and this could just add to their difficulties. That is why it irks me so much! I actually support the intervention of Westminster in purely legal terms.
But more public money spent on court battles. The Named Person Scheme court challenge cost the Scottish Government (public) almost £500k. Nicola needs to listen more carefully to legal advice.
CLKD - the rules on that are not as clear cut in Scotland, especially around matters of sexual health. The concern about the Scottish legislation is that no medical advice or diagnosis will be needed to apply for a Gender Recognition Certificate. Though I am assuming that there will need to be medical input if any hormone therapy or surgery is sought (a separate matter).
Applicants need to make a legally binding declaration that they intend to live permanently in their acquired gender, having lived in that acquired gender for a minimum of three months (six months for 16/17 year olds) with a reflection period of a further three months before a certificate is granted. Not sure if the reflection period is longer for 16/17 year olds. It is a far quicker track to getting a GR Certificate than the 2 years under the current UK-wide legislation.
Anyway!! This all began with gingerbread men. I need to go and make some.
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The problem is,we're now seeing "people " who have now realised they've made a mistake and want their gender reversed......free,on the NHS!! And we all know how wonderful the Scottish NHS is :-X :-X
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OK Girls - which Prison should this rapist be shut up in?
A transgender woman has been found guilty of raping two women in attacks carried out before she changed gender.
Isla Bryson committed the crimes in Clydebank and Glasgow in 2016 and 2019 while known as Adam Graham.
The High Court in Glasgow heard that the 31-year-old has now started the process of gender re-assignment.
Judge Lord Scott said she had been convicted of two extremely serious charges and a significant custodial sentence was inevitable.
DH suggests that it's like throwing a cat into a mouse farm. If a man found guilty of assaulting a child was put into a mens' prison, he would need to go into solitary. Because other men won't tolerate child abuse. If a man - calling himself a woman - goes into a womens' prison :-\ ??? ........
Regardless of what he/she wants to be known as, the Trial should have continued with 'him' as Adam Graham. As a man who committed the Crime. When a Crime is carried out, the Trial is held in that area.
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Yep,read that, I wonder if he/she has had the full surgery and has had penis removed
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He/she/it should be held in a male prison. If he gets raped I'd call it karma. There have already been 2 women raped in a women's prison by a man in a skirt, probably more I haven't heard about. IMO male bits = male and I don't understand the mentality that thinks their rights are more important than the safety of women.
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Sadly Sheila,the minorities shout the loudest and majorities seem to be ignored and put up with it all
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Governments all over the World have pandered to these activist groups so Laws have been altered in the way of 'men calling themselves women have rights'.
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Perhaps majorities need to shout louder! >:(
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When we do we get called 'names'. Look how J K Rowling got slammed. :'( :-\
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Yep,if you say anything your a phobic of some description
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Yep. There’s something seriously wrong with the world we live in when you’re not allowed, it seems, to have valid concerns about issues that could negatively impact us!
100% right about JK Rowling. Her view was entirely valid.
What about the “decapitate terfs” placard at a recent trans gathering showing in a photo with prominent SNP member. I suppose that’s ok?! :cuss: :argue:
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This forum is a haven of reality in a world gone mad, this is a place where we still get to say we're WOMEN. I fear they day the activist crowd get in here and those of us on the side of biological reality get booted for being "TERFS". But maybe being menopausal isn't something desirable and cool yet for the identity crowd, haha.
Bottom line for me: humans cannot change sex, and women and girls need single sex spaces, including toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, prisons etc. I hate that just wanting to keep these safe spaces that were hard won is considered bigotry. I won't accept it. I'm not a bigot. I want all people to be able to live their best lives, and that includes us women.
Well, excuse me, didn't realise I wanted to get that off my chest. Uh, bosom. Uh, chest.
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Well,said Petra, I would say I'm definitely not a bigot either,live and let live,if someone is of a different persuasion to me, I say,that's fine,as long as you're not hurting anyone, I really don't care.
That "person" who raped women whilst a man,is being sent to Cornton Vale women's prison.......good luck in there matey ;D
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Well said Petra and Jaypo 👍
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:o. .......... DH and I believe that, as the crime was committed whilst he was a man, it should have been to Trial as a man. Not change his plea half way through!
There is a Tribe that changes sex at puberty .......... can't remember where or why. A 📺 programme many years ago and I have looked up details since. It's natural though, no knives involved ;-)
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Think Sturgeon is being badgered to move him to a males prison,as I think he's got all his bits :-\
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I reckon he'll have a tough old time (whichever jail he finishes up in). We can but hope >:(
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Many of these criminals have to do solitary for their own safety. Will Sturgeon back down? She should to protect women prisoners.
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Hahaha Sturgeon?? Back down?? :-X
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Her time will come ? Like Boris, she won't admit that the public knows best? >:(
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I remember being 16 and no way would i have been capable of making a proper decision to change sex. Same at 18. Yes there are some genuine cases of people feeling they are the wrong sex, but they are a very small percentage of the current numbers that have decided they are living in the wrong body. How many 16 year olds truly understand the impact of these surgeries?
I seem to recall that people wanting a sex change in the past had to live as the opposite gender for a period of time prior to starting treatment. Now it's "oh you fancy a change, here you go" >:(
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Couldn’t agree more :(
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Exactly,getting_old,there is so much confusion going on when you are a 16 year old,although we all thought we were "grown up" at that age but in fact we were just babies,now Nicoliar wants to give them a life changing decision,just to throw into the mix.
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1 had to live for at least 2 years in the gender of choice B4 any treatment was suggested, other than psychiatric counselling. I think these government and activist attitudes are an insult to those who really are in the 'wrong' body. Governments should stick to what they are paid to do and leave diagnosis to the Consultants?
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That man, WILL NOT be imprisoned in a woman’s prison, according to Nicola sturgeon.
Unbelievable to even debate the subject.
What the hell is going on. 🤷🏼♀️
Crazy s#*t.
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Being seen to make a point ? :-X. so where's the in-betweener being held until a decision is made? I say let him into a womens' jail ;-)
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I thought they said he would be held in a woman's prison but not with women? I don't see why anyone with male bits should be there and certainly not one convicted of raping them. It's like putting a ferret in a cage full of mice who can't escape. Anyone want to borrow the bloodless castrators? It might stop the urge.
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I think it may be him getting raped in Cornton Vale,one of Scotland's hardest women's jail but I agree Sheila,he's still got all his male bits,so,I'm sorry but your still a man .
I dunno Jill,is it just this country that panders to minorities?🤷♀️
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Nope: Canada has changed Laws ........ as have parts of Europe. To keep activists off the backs of governments, particularly prior to an election? Cynic? Moi?
Now apparently he's been saying that he is taking hormone therapy, reports were different initially >:( and his ex wife has an article in the BBC Scotland News.
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I read that when he knew they were closing in on him THATS when he decided he wanted to be a woman,so he wouldn't have to go to a mans jail,hope darling Nicola is taking heed >:(
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That's the suggestion that the wife made. 'working the system'. That's why it is important for a time scale B4 people unhappy should undergo prior to any drug therapy or operations. Of course, they can go abroad for it ............ and expect the NHS to put it right!
Bryson is due to be sentenced next month after being convicted of the rapes on Tuesday. It is thought to have been the first time a trans woman has been convicted of raping women in Scotland
But he wasn't a WOMAN :bang: :bang: doesn't this show that 1 should not be allowed to call oneself what 1 wants until surgical intervention has taken place :-\ :-X
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What's worrying is how many other men will now try this route so they can commit crimes then be treated as a woman? At this rate they'll need 20 different types of prison and people will have a choice :-X
I also wonder how they can justify using the extremely limited NHS funds and resources on surgeries that are a fad / choice as oppose to treating people with genuine illnesses?
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Where R the parents in this? :-\
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It has now emerged that the transgender double rapist studied beauty at an Ayrshire College AFTER being charged for sex attacks, studying alongside teenage girls, carrying out "hands on, practical treatments" as part of the course.
Absolutely shocking!
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Where R the parents in this? :-\
At 16 I believer they are considered an adult so the parents probably don't matter :'( and even if they did can you imagime the push bag they'd get for trying to stop what's "right" for the "child"!
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His ex wife says he's scamming the system,oh what a surprise,who would have ever thought that would happen?!?
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At the Tavistock children as young as 9 were sent without an escort >:(. Apparently.
Would love to be a fly on the wall :o. And other men have tried this route, being 'accepted' into English womens' prison areas because they want to be known as women. A couple have then attacked women in-mates. :-\
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Have you seen pictures of him as a man? Big tattooed bloke,then a picture of him as a woman in his tight leggings,definitely a teeny winky on display ;D
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Yep. Winky definitely in evidence, Jaypo. Geez, I think a change of stylist is needed….
“Does my *@# look big in this?!” Duh……yeah!
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Not many know how to dress appropriately ......... we had a man locally who would cross dress ::). Never a good look unless they and the family concerned gets advice.
And no 'man' still doesn't offend me until he decides to become a woman without considering treatment!
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The timing of this case couldn't have been better. If the snp had their way the trans friendly law would become Westminster bullying poor little Scotland and denying the will of the Scottish people. Now it's been shown just how dangerous that law would have been and surely there has to a grassroots backlash against it.
As above, 'man' doesn't offend me but 'woman' does when applied to someone with male bits.
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Totally agree Sheila.
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But this is what Sturgeon wants Sheila,all she prattles on about is how yet again England telling us Scots what to do,the sooner she isn't leading this country the better,hospitals are the worst in Europe as are the schools and don't get me started on the roads but her whole focus is independence,I hope this matter turns round and bites her in the bum.
Wonder if he'll keep the blonde wig in the male prison ;D
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Or his bits :-X
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The Scottish government has been urged to block the transfer of a violent transgender prisoner from a men's prison to a women's jail.
It is understood that Tiffany Scott, who was previously known as a man called Andrew Burns, has applied for the move.
The Daily Record first reported that the transfer has been approved and is likely to happen later this year.
The Scottish Conservatives have called for the move to be stopped.
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There is a Tribe that changes sex at puberty .......... can't remember where or why. A 📺 programme many years ago and I have looked up details since. It's natural though, no knives involved ;-)
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34290981
Taz x
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Wow that was really interesting Taz,so in fact they ARE born male but it isn't til puberty the genitalia finally appear,so confusing for them,poor little boy said he hated wearing dresses,just shows you though,he KNEW he wasn't a girl
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I thought “what?!” when an article appeared yesterday in the Express about a murderer in a Scottish jail, identifying as a female for the last few years, now wants to identify as a toddler demanding nappies, a dummy and his/her food to be puréed and to insisting on holding a prison officer’s hand when leaving his/her cell. :angryfire: God help us!
If my deceased grandparents beamed in to the UK today they would think they had landed on a different planet :o
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I thought “what?!” when an article appeared yesterday in the Express about a murderer in a Scottish jail, identifying as a female for the last few years, now wants to identify as a toddler demanding nappies, a dummy and his/her food to be puréed :angryfire:
There are quite a few 'clubs' where men pay a lot of money for this service ;D
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:lol:
Whoops - R we allowed to say that these days :-X ;D
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Also - I do wonder sometimes if 1st April falls every day :-\
Tnx so much Taz - I knew that I hadn't dreamt it 8)
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Nope CLKD, I’m afraid in this case it ain’t April Fools Day!
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There was also a pupil in Australia that wanted to be identified as a cat and the teachers allowed it?!? I think youngsters are now trying to come up with something original to outdo others,total attention seeking
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Agreed Jaypo 👍
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Anyone see the bloke who’s made himself into a wolf?
He wears a wolf suit every day.
Bloody weird if you ask me! 🤨
I only skimmed through the article, can’t be arsed with all this stuff. ;D
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MayB it's us that should be in the asylum?
Why give them air space :-\. Those that are truly in trouble and need support until they are old enough to decide which way, should be treated with parents present with lots of opportunities to talk their feelings out. The media should not be taking up these stories.
Also,1. has to consider the safety of Staff in womens' prisons.
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Anyone see the bloke who’s made himself into a wolf?
He wears a wolf suit every day.
Bloody weird if you ask me! 🤨
I only skimmed through the article, can’t be arsed with all this stuff. ;D
They are called Furries. Often they only wear their tail but then have meet ups where everyone attends as their animal persona (called a Fursona) OH worked with a guy who was a wolf. His wife was too. They used to go to an annual convention.
Taz x
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Omg if it wasn't so sad it would be hysterical.
Now we have a paedophile who stalked a 13 year old girl getting moved to a women's prison. Isn't it time all this stopped? I dread to think what this country is going to end up like :-\
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Your woman in Scotland thinks that there should be prisons to accommodate all tastes :-\ :-X ::)
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To be honest I don't have an issue with people dressing up, if that's what they want to do, providing they aren't harming anyone else. It's no different to people going to Star Trek conventions or re-enacting wars or living as people did in the 40s. It's when criminals are playing the system to get access to potential victims, or are kids are getting surgeries because it's the latest fad that I have an issue, and i do think that all sex change treatments should be paid for by the individual as they are a choice.
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Totally agree getting-old.
It’s comical really, dressing up like that, if nothing else, even if I can’t understand why they do it, at least it makes me chuckle.
Now,…..where’s my nearest Fursona. 😂
Thanx Taz. 👍
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Forty-seven police officers in Scotland have resigned or retired during misconduct proceedings against them since 2019, the BBC can reveal.
If an officer leaves Police Scotland, misconduct proceedings are automatically scrapped.
The figure was revealed after a freedom of information (FOI) request by BBC Newsnight.
Last year, the Scottish government said it would change the rules to allow hearings to continue.
I believe that this is common across the service :-\
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That probably applies in every business too. Unless there are sanctions that can be applied after they've left (like criminal prosecution) there's no point in pursuing it.
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Would I call that a cop out ::). So these personnel then go on to security jobs without a black mark against them, because 1 isn't allowed to give a 'bad' reference.
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Soooo?? What do we all think about this Roald Dahl fiasco? No white with fear,no black capes and the oompah loompahs are not men any more but people,no ugly no fat blimey,what on earth has happened to this country?
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Pressure Groups ??? >:(
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It’s getting worse isn’t it? Whatever next? Who is going to stand up to these woke numpties? >:(
Honest to God, I’m expecting my local supermarket to start displaying “grapes that are not green!” instead of my favourite fruit - black grapes! :o
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It’s certainly getting very worrying.
Everything and everyone seems under attack.
What worries me most is the indoctrination in schools and universities so that I’m left wondering if free speech will become a thing of the past :'(
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Get this Girls - Welsh period equality announcement fails to mention women . page 1 of the Telegraph (today), by Ewan Somerville.
The Labour-run Welsh Government has failed to mention women in an official announcement for its period poverty plan. Jane Hutt, the Welsh minister for social justice, unveiled the new "Period Proud Wales" scheme on Feb 16h, vowing to "achieve period dignity in Wales and eradicate period poverty". But the words 'women' and 'girls' were missing from her written statement "by the Welsh Government" which instead referred to "people" who have periods and "those who have experienced period poverty".
David T C Davies, the Secretary of State for Wales called the omission "astonishing". The 19-page plan itself mentions women, but often caveated as "women, girls and people who menstruate". It comes after the Welsh Government's consultation on the previous version was bombarded with complaints from women. [wonder what that cost!]
A Welsh Government spokesman said "Women and girls are at the heart of our Period Proud Wales Action Plan."
Yeah. Right.
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Taking away my history too.
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People?? Who menstruate? I'm with JK Rowling on that one,WOMEN menstruate......yep, I said it ;D
I do yougov polls and today the questions were all about the Dahl books and every question had 90% of the people saying they didn't agree with the changes,so why is it,these tiny minorities get things changed?
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I’m with you Jaypo!
We’ve all got to wake up I feel and realise all these issues are interconnected.
JK Rowling is a star
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Because, they’re all numptys.
Shakespeare will be next! 🙀
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:o. .............. although there are those that think that he didn't write it all ::)
Will Heidi be stopped from staying in the Alps with her Grandad in the school holidays?
Little Women .........
and don't get me started on Red Riding Hood and the Big Bad Wolf :D .......... and those 7 dwarfs who cared for Snow White :-X
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This one was lost long ago. 15 years ago DD wasn't allowed to learn Baa Baa black sheep, it had to be baa baa woolly sheep. So we have approximately 250 white woolly sheep and another 10 err woolly sheep. Sense doesn't come into it.
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The whole world has gone absolutely bonkers! There are such horrible things happening at the moment, so I think anybody who has time to get upset about 'words' in books are living such a selfish self obsessed life. If an author of a book feels the need to rewrite certain parts of his or her book they should be free and able to do so, but when an author is no longer living then what is in the past should remain there. It helps to compare different parts of history and how things where done then compared to now and I don't think that's a bad thing. Things from our past should not just simply be eradicated altogether. I don't have grandchildren yet but this kind of thing makes me want to rush out and buy the original copies of all those classic books before they are gone altogether. I don't want to get rid of all my childhood memories and the great books that I read. I loved Enid Blyton books and didn't realise that many of her books have already had name changes. Remember Dick and Fanny? It gets me thinking of all the tv programmes from my youth, The Good Old Days, Love Thy Neighbour, On the Buses, The Black and White Minstrel Show and The Benny Hill Show. Innocent days and nobody seemed offended by any of it but they certainly wouldn't be allowed nowadays. Has anyone saw the Channel 4 programme Naked Attraction? Can anyone explain how this is ok? I find it appalling but it seems to be a hit nowadays and I cant for the life of me understand that. One naked man oggling a line up of naked women or vice versa, where the criteria of picking your date seems to be what penis or vagina you find the most attractive. If the woke society are so repulsed by the term 'man' or 'woman', then I am truly baffled as to why there are no complaints with regards this.
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They 'do' because they have targets that can't be challenged, i.e. dead authors. Surely it's up to the Dahl Estate to decide ?
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Ha,couldn't agree more holidaylover,it seems things can only be deemed offensive if the minority say so,that naked attraction is absolutely appalling,I had no idea what it was when I saw it on the schedule....oh a dating game,thinking....cilla black kind of dating game,flippin eck,couldn't believe my eyes,yet THIS is ok?because the youth have said it is. Yet the Dahl books have been rewritten to remove terms like mother and father,to now just "parents" no black or white ,no fat or ugly,women have to be portrayed as top scientists rather than a cashier,I'm seriously thinking about buying a log cabin in the wilderness 😩
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I saw that program once.
Couldn’t believe what I was watching.
Absolutely bloody stupid!!
This it seems, is the mentally of people nowadays, and they scoff at ‘words in a book’ .
Un bloody believeable!
Makes my blood boil! 🤬
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Absolutely agree with you holidaylover. The world has gone mad! Insane even :'(
There are too many people out there who have nothing better to do with their time than try to get 15 minutes of fame by finding something wrong with something innocent and making a massive deal of it >:( When it comes to the colour of items, I think they are the racist ones because they are seeing racism where it doesn't actually exist.
Imagine if we change the word we use to describe items that are currently black. So we don't have a black ball, we have a bloop ball (I know, I'm soooooo creative ;D), and we have a bloop board, and a bloop sofa, but then because we are using bloop to describe items that used to be black and are now bloop, does bloop become a word we can't use either? Is the only solution to remove every thing that is black from the world?
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That Sam smith,the singer,he gets on my bloody nerves,he classes himself as"they" & "them" the woke brigade got stuck into The One presenter as she asked if he was a fisherman,apparently he is a fisherthey 😳😳😳😳😳 what a bunch of attention seeking morons
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Fisherthey! Wt*…….. :rofl:
What’s happening to Sam smith? ….🤷🏼♀️
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Pity that 'they' don't find different phrases rather than picking up mine. We lost 'gay' .........
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15 minutes of fame goes well with 15 minute cities :-\
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Pity that 'they' don't find different phrases rather than picking up mine. We lost 'gay' .........
That makes me think of Larry Grayson.............
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That dates me then as I remember Larry and his 'shut that door' ::)
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Haha, and me. Just. ;D
My dads eyes would go ::) ……… ;D
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I've enjoyed reading these posts tonight girls :rofl:
Bloody Sam Smith bugs the life out of me too. You were born with a winky, son - you're a "he".
And what about that stupid outfit that he wore at the Brit Awards?! >:( That is clearly meant for a postmenopausal woman with thunder thighs ;D - oh, hold on - that’s me ;D
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Aawww Larry Grayson......oooowwww what a gay day ;D
Sam Smith wants to be classed as THEY Jill,gender fluid or gender neutral fluid neutral 🤣😂🤣😂 awww gawd knows.
Oh I agree songbird,his music is c*&p so he wears stupid outfits to disguise the fact
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I've enjoyed reading these posts tonight girls :rofl:
Bloody Sam Smith bugs the life out of me too. You were born with a winky, son - you're a "he".
And what about that stupid outfit that he wore at the Brit Awards?! >:( That is clearly meant for a postmenopausal woman with thunder thighs ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Brilliant!!
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Absolutely agree with you holidaylover. The world has gone mad! Insane even :'(
There are too many people out there who have nothing better to do with their time than try to get 15 minutes of fame by finding something wrong with something innocent and making a massive deal of it >:( When it comes to the colour of items, I think they are the racist ones because they are seeing racism where it doesn't actually exist.
Imagine if we change the word we use to describe items that are currently black. So we don't have a black ball, we have a bloop ball (I know, I'm soooooo creative ;D), and we have a bloop board, and a bloop sofa, but then because we are using bloop to describe items that used to be black and are now bloop, does bloop become a word we can't use either? Is the only solution to remove every thing that is black from the world?
Getting old, I’m going to call you out on your above comment, who exactly are you referring too when you say they are seeing racism where it does not exist? And your reference to the word black being offensive?
I am a woman of colour and quite frankly your post is uneducated and prejudice, I can assure you people of colour do not want the word black removed are you not aware of black life’s matters? This is the word black used in the context that we are proud of who we are and the colour we are!
FYI , you are not creative in your use of words at all you are offensive and your comments are unfounded, I , my family and friends still call a black car black , today I’m wearing a black jumper not a bloop jumper as you suggest and my granddaughter has a black board!!!
I agree with some of the comments on this post but you have crossed a line, did you not stop to think women of colour use this forum and your comments would be hurtful?
I’m disgusted and deeply offended by your words , and disgusted that such toxic comments are laughed along with, your closing words of should everything black be removed from the world be the solution says it all about you !!
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I honestly don't think holidaylover meant any offence,the opposite I think.
It's the woke brigade that are at fault, I always knew black people were never offended by the word "black" but these people who say they are,are,dare I say,white!! And haven't a clue,maybe if they stopped and actually asked black people....does this offend you?they would have a better idea of what is offensive or not x
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Hi jaypo, just to clarify I was not referring to holiday lover she didn’t make those offensive comments it was getting old and I did quote getting olds post not holiday lovers, you have a fair point about the woke brigade being at fault but as individuals it would be nice if people seriously considered the words they Chose when they are posting on a public forum xx
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No one intends any offence. The point is that the 'woke' brigade are insisting on certain alterations in books ........ I remember when many of us owned a Gollywog - which is allowed on the side of the jar but not as a toy. I always wanted a black doll >:( ::). Because I had pretty dresses in which to dress her.
If we go into detail I have yet to meet a 'black' person or a truly 'white' person. [I'm pushing 70] Humans are all shades which makes us all interesting. In the past I worked with many cultures of many languages and colours. We exchanged recipes as well as inviting each other to meals ....... most had more foreign language knowledge due to their history of invasion. Me: English to the core, I did try French ....... :-X
'bloop' was I believe an alternative to X, Y, Z, suggested because the World is cancelling history.
Years ago I did ask if we had people of colour on the Forum and my post was removed :-\. I'm nosy which I why I raised the topic ::). Talking to others is easier for me than booking a holiday :-\ as there is less anxiety :'(.
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And here we can see why people are too frightened to say anything because who knows what little thing will be deemed offensive. Some people do take offence to Black - why else was Baa Baa Black Sheep changed? It's about a sheep not a person. When the n word became offensive black was the pc term to use. When I grew up I learned the n version of eenie mmenie minie mo at school, it wasn't offensive at the time (yes, I'm old), it was just a word. I'll lay a bet in 15 years time 'person of colour' will be offensive and there'll be a different term to use.
Fisherit? Fisherthey is plural surely?
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Absolutely agree with you holidaylover. The world has gone mad! Insane even :'(
There are too many people out there who have nothing better to do with their time than try to get 15 minutes of fame by finding something wrong with something innocent and making a massive deal of it >:( When it comes to the colour of items, I think they are the racist ones because they are seeing racism where it doesn't actually exist.
Imagine if we change the word we use to describe items that are currently black. So we don't have a black ball, we have a bloop ball (I know, I'm soooooo creative ;D), and we have a bloop board, and a bloop sofa, but then because we are using bloop to describe items that used to be black and are now bloop, does bloop become a word we can't use either? Is the only solution to remove every thing that is black from the world?
Getting old, I’m going to call you out on your above comment, who exactly are you referring too when you say they are seeing racism where it does not exist? And your reference to the word black being offensive?
I am a woman of colour and quite frankly your post is uneducated and prejudice, I can assure you people of colour do not want the word black removed are you not aware of black life’s matters? This is the word black used in the context that we are proud of who we are and the colour we are!
FYI , you are not creative in your use of words at all you are offensive and your comments are unfounded, I , my family and friends still call a black car black , today I’m wearing a black jumper not a bloop jumper as you suggest and my granddaughter has a black board!!!
I agree with some of the comments on this post but you have crossed a line, did you not stop to think women of colour use this forum and your comments would be hurtful?
I’m disgusted and deeply offended by your words , and disgusted that such toxic comments are laughed along with, your closing words of should everything black be removed from the world be the solution says it all about you !!
Wow, just wow!!! I'm very sorry that my post offended you as that was not the intent. I have many friends of all colours and they are the ones who say it's ridiculous that we can't still say black without some snowflake (their words, not mine) taking offence supposedly on their behalf. I have been with them wihen they have said black car, black board, etc. and they have been told that it's offensive to say that word.
As others have pointed out the post was meant to show just how ridiculous the woke brigade are being because we are now worried about what we say in case they call us out for something which is meant innocently. These days we seem to be afraid of speaking to others in case we cause offence.
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Couldn’t agree with you more, Getting Old, Sheila, Jaypo and CLKD..
I, personally, thought it was obvious that the posts were in relation, solely, to “the woke brigade” (in whatever form they take). The beliefs and requests made (in relation to these people) are, frankly, ridiculous, unrealistic, unfair and, yes, laughable - end of!!
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My Mum's black dog was called "N" ......... that was in the 1930s. ::)
I wonder how much the media influences these 'changes' for change sake?
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The fact of the matter is,it should be the black community who should decide what is offensive to them,not some white person,trying to look fab because they're standing up for black people. I'd never purposely hurt anyone,no matter what their race or creed :(
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Please can we change the subject, I find it very uncomfortable.
Weren't we getting stuck in to Sam smith? ;D
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Uncomfortable conversations open up barriers.
What worries me is that the World's history is being demeaned on the back of a few. 1 University are being badgered to make their whole cafe vegan ....... there's to be a vote tonight.
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Please can we change the subject, I find it very uncomfortable.
Weren't we getting stuck in to Sam smith? ;D
Yep, I agree Jaypo. Let’s talk about Sam. I’m thinking of ordering the blow-up suit for my upcoming cruise 🚢 ;D
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And will you be a "they"or a "that" Songbird ? ;D
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Think Songbird must want it as a buoyancy aid, jaypo. ;D
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I'll be Mrs Songbird Jaypo ;D
I never even thought of that Jenna 8)
Now I'm going to be stylish and I'll float
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Always best to cover all eventualities, Songbird. ;)
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If I saw you bobbing around in the water wearing them Songbird, I’d ignore you. :rofl:
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:rofl:
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What you all on ;D
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Think Songbird must want it as a buoyancy aid, jaypo. ;D
;D She's such an attention seeker Jenna ;D
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You'd drown - thunder thighs on the air, head under the surface. I wonder why no one applied a pin, I'd have been soooo tempted.
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Think Songbird must want it as a buoyancy aid, jaypo. ;D
;D She's such an attention seeker Jenna ;D
Oh no, I've been rumbled ;D ;D
Good point Sheila. Best leave it at home ;D
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Do we need to call the RNLI :-\ :o .......
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Probably CLKD!
But which one’s? The the traditional volunteer’s or the RNLI masquerades :-\
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Does it matter as long as I am rescued ;-). Some women have joined the Fleet, mainly its men at the Helm. Brave beyond words! Any1 watch that programme about our fish reaches the UK Shores :o. Fish prices are cheap considering ..........
Apparently actresses are now called actors ::)
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Roald Dahl's books are to be printed in their original form, following criticism of the decision to amend novels including The BFG, making them more suitable for modern audiences.
The plan to remove references to things like characters' appearance and weight had sparked a fierce debate.
Words including "fat" and "ugly" were removed after being reviewed by sensitivity readers, who check for potentially offensive content.
Puffin will now sell the originals.
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I don't care at all. These things are trivial in the face of suffering and deprivation the world currently experiences. It makes us look ridiculous, as if we have nothing better to do. Old people being kicked to death, childhood cancer, a mental health crisis etc etc...so many things to worry about.
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Add to that being bullied into changing how we address others?
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Yes,, I agree but you can't stop discussing things just because there are more troubling things going on,we discuss everything on here ,not just the nasty menopause :)
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I totally agree Jaypo, it’s not just the nasty menopause.
Did anyone see Dr Tina Peer’s on TV tonight talking to L.F?
Lovely lady and so knowledgeable
M x
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Thanks Marchlove ☺️
No, I didn't see her 😏 I have seen her on YouTube thos,she does seem really nice
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These topics takes our mind off Menopause.
We all know about the bad stuff that happens every day, just makes us more miserable and those depressed, even more so, having a silly jib at trivial things, gives us a giggle.
We all wish we could change the world, stop the beatings, the cancers, muggings, ect…. But we can’t.
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Couldn't agree more Jilly. We are faced with depressing stuff on the news daily. You can't escape it. All the more reason to have a giggle on the forum with like minded ladies. You know what they say....
"Laughter is the best medicine".
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Yep,the news is so depressing I don't watch it first thing anymore.
Our topic here MAY BE trivial but not so trivial when a man has brutally raped two women,then wants to go to a woman's jail
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Couldn’t agree more Jaypo..
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I agree too - the use of terms like 'manpower' are of no consequence, but trying to change the meaning to include biology is another altogether.
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Now it's all the James Bond books getting the censorship >:(
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:rofl: people have too much time on their hands ::)
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History books will soon have only wonderful things in them,where everyone loved each other,no hating,women only having top jobs,no murders,what a load of twaddle
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How will they alter 'wuthering heights' ? :-\
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The Vagina Museum is posting that ovarian cancer affects all those with a womb ........ that would be women then! [I read it somewhere on Sat and can't find the article >:( ]
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It really is insulting to all women everywhere isn't it?
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It certainly is Jaypo. :(…….
If there’s such a thing as reincarnation, I’ve decided, I ain’t coming back as a woman 👩🏼……..
🤔 I’ll maybe come back as a tortoise 🐢 - they have a nice pace of life going on :rofl: -
male or female though, that’s the question 🤔
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A "they" tortoise songbird 🐢 ;D
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;D. well you might laugh: however, it's not possible to really sex a tortoise until maturity which is anything after 35 years old ;D. the 1 that used to escape from the neighbour and visit our garden : because we had fruits and veg and they had nowt, not even a large lawn : is no more :'(. He was 9. Even though they moved 2 years ago I miss him around, he's lucky that he didn't get squashed as he crossed the road!!!
How can a museum dedicated to vaginas get it SO WRONG :cuss: :bang: :beat:
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Sea horse. Come back as one of those.
They can change sex accordingly.
So if they catch you, they’ll say……it’s a male, ….oh wait, no it’s a female. Cuz you’ve just changed.
Ohhh what fun! ;D ::)
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A sloth - that's the one for me ;D.....
What have I started? ;D ;D
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I would love to keep a sloth - they leave the trees to reach the ground for a poo. Apparently. Well upside down would be a little awkward :neutral: :madeyes:
My man is currently moving logs - 4 cub metres of them. :-*. So he hardly ever upsets me ;)
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How on earth whilst all these books are being changed and we are no longer say 'man' is it possible for the whole of tv today to be bleating on about International Womens Day? I'm surprised we can call it that. Obviously when it suits the agenda. ???
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Bet even THAT falls by the wayside songbird,it'll be international persons day if the minority get their way 🤨🤨🤨
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:lol: :great:
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Protesters stood outside an empty pub on Friday morning to rally against a non-existent drag event.
Turning Point UK had organised a demonstration at The Great Exhibition pub in East Dulwich for 11:00 GMT.
A counter protest was organised by Stand up to Racism South London, with local people and pro LGBT+ activists meeting at 10:00 GMT.
People have too much time on their hands ;D
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Well,apparently,Scottish Drs are all set to allow gender neutral to be applied to patients,so if a gender neutral comes in with a nasty disease on the penis,what then? ;D
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Oh dear Lord, whatever next?!
You can just see the confusion on the doc’s face when he refers to the “sexual diseases” section of his medical reference book - “sorry gender neutral person, my book tells me that what you possess is definitely a “dodgy tadger” and, it doesn’t matter where I look in said book, you’re defo a geezer” :o
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😂🤣
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Went into a public loo yesterday. In one cubicle there's a little girl, with mum in a neighbouring one. As I'm washing my hands a bloke with scruffy hair and bright red lipstick whose wearing a very short skirt and high heeled boots comes in and starts washing their hands. The little girl comes out of her cubicle first so I waited until her mum came out too, No way could I leave a child in there in that situation. When mum came out she took one look at the bloke and grabbed the child and ran out. Don't blame her.
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That's to be reported to the local Council! Is the area covered by CCTV? I would have done the same getting_old, stayed to make sure she wasn't freaked. Who does these men think they are!
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Absolutely atrocious,I'd report that too 😡
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Flipping deviant! Good job you were there, G-old. :rant:
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I don't think this person has broken any law by using the female toilet? I'm not sure it is a reportable offence unless they were doing anything dodgy. :-\
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That's the thing Taz,how do you ever know? I personally would be scared if someone like that came into a woman's loo and I was in there on my own :(
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Can't comment about whether this man has broken any law :o. I'll bet the little girl will have been freaked out about it though!!
IMO - a Needless, thoughtless act with no consideration to the effect it may have on a female - in this case a small female child >:(
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I did that once and a man came out of a cubicle. I thought I’d gone into the men’s. When I checked they were for both.
This was in a M&S Outlet store years ago 😳
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That reminds me of when I was on holiday,I'm standing in the loo waiting for a cubicle to become vacant and I'm thinking.....strange,why are there urinals in a woman's toilet...........wrong toilets 🙀🙀🙀 needless to say when I walked back into the pub,EVERYONE was laughing,obviously the kind gentleman who came out of the cubicle and informed me of my mistake had also informed the entire pub 🤨 😂
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:rofl:
Yep. Done that too :o….On a cruise ship, I made my way to the loos for small pee pee. The problem I had was that the figure on the toilet doors depicting male or female looked similar to me. It definitely wasn’t clear which was which. Needless to say I went into the gents. It was a formal night so the loo was full of James Bonds!! Ooh, that makes me Miss Moneypenny 💃 (heaven ::)).
To be fair, I’d had a couple of sherbets by then ;D ;D
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Aaaahahahaha so not the only one then ;D I once DIDNT go to a loo in the Canaries because on the doors for male and female were the symbols for male and female ⚧ ♐️ and I couldn't be 100% which was which ;D wish I'd listened to my teachers more at school :o in my defence, I too had had a very small Sherry ;D
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I did that once and a man came out of a cubicle. I thought I’d gone into the men’s. When I checked they were for both.
This was in a M&S Outlet store years ago 😳
The first time I used a gender neutral toilet at a music gig I found it a bit odd but after that it was ok. Saves queuing outside the Ladies at busy venues as often the gender neutral ones are under used.
Taz :)
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Every cloud... Perhaps the long queue for the gender neutral one will lead to men insisting on single sex toilets :)
Even without women using it the lack of urinals will lead to longer queues and more men p*ssing on the seat.
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No way is any man hearing me tinkle ;D
If you go to those "one does all" toilets at services,they are disgusting,men literally wee anywhere and everywhere 🤢
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“If you sprinkle when you tinkle, be sweet and wipe the seat” But they never do >:(
I’ll tell you something else - I wonder how many of them tinkle and don’t wash their hands :sick02:
I’m ever so reluctant to shake hands with a man (just in case! ;D) Fist 🤛 pump’s best ;D ;D
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Isn't that why pubs stopped serving nibbles on the bar tops because the germs off men's hands,because they don't wash them 🤢
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I did consider reporting it, but if the bloke claims to identify as female then they wouldn't be able to do anything :-\
I'd read about the concerns women have about their spaces being used by people who were not born female, and how it makes them feel, and it did make me feel uncomfortable and vulnerable too. I can totally understand why women are concerned, and why they want to have "safe" spaces. Can you imagine the communal fitting rooms Top Shop used to have??
I've met a number of people who appear to have changed gender over the years, and have felt fine as it's been in an open setting, and they've been less overt in their attire, attitude, etc. and they wouldn't have bothered me too much in this situation, although I would have stayed around because of the child. With this bloke it was the way they were dressed (if I'd seen them in the street I'd have thought they were in fancy dress), and also their behaviour, because they came in and started washing their hands and looking around, and just kept washing their hands for what seemed like forever.
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No way is any man hearing me tinkle ;D
If you go to those "one does all" toilets at services,they are disgusting,men literally wee anywhere and everywhere 🤢
We used to have a woman who had issues with sprinking at a place I worked. It got to the point where people posed notices asking that the perpetrator wipe the seat after using. One afternoon I walked into a cubicle that they'd obviously used and was exiting fast when someone else came in. I just kept saying "it wasn't me, don't go in that one" :o
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When 1 goes abroad they are all uni-sex, have been for years. In Italy 1 walked through the mens area where they stood at urinals, into the cubicles which had half doors :o and lads would pull themselves up to watch >:(. This was in a hotel where the school trip were staying! Lugano !
Urinals in the streets, nowt for women. When those uni-sex metal loos were introduced, a child was drowned when she became trapped because she couldn't open the door B4 the water poured to cleanse the whole loo.
I think that all public areas should be covered by CCTV. I think that if men were not trying to make women feel uncomfortable, the wouldn't even consider entering womens' areas. Which is why regardless of what people want to be called, areas should remain segregated.
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When those uni-sex metal loos were introduced, a child was drowned when she became trapped because she couldn't open the door B4 the water poured to cleanse the whole loo.
This is dreadful. Can you explain a bit more about it? :'(
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It's so long ago Taz. Memory is vague. After I think that the door had to be opened then shut again allowing users time to exit B4 it flushed automatically.
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Not the case that CLKD is talking about, but I remember reading somewhere about someone who was homeless dashing into one of those loos after someone came out and getting trapped. If I remember correctly, when the person exits the loo locks and then the entire loo is washed with water jets from the ceiling. I think the homeless man survived but he wasn't found until the next user paid to open the loo. The idea was that the loos were more hygienic, and I think there was talk about using motion sensors to check for occupants before starting the washing process.
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That's so sad :-\
Headline tonight:
World Athletics has banned transgender women from competing in the female category at international events.
The governing body's president, Lord Coe, said no transgender athlete who had gone through male puberty would be permitted to compete in female world ranking competitions from 31 March.
A working group will be set up to conduct further research into the transgender eligibility guidelines.
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Good,transgender women clearly have an advantage,what a mixed up world we truly live in :'(
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It was great to hear Lord Coe say "women deserve fairness". Men who have been through puberty have a massive advantage. A bit of testosterone suppression doesn't remove that advantage. The same reason adults don't compete against children, or the reason we have veteran's sports. It's all about fairness and not about who might feel a bit sad.
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Very eloquent Poppytoast :thankyou:
I wonder how many runners Lord Coe ran against who had taken steroids ........ "fairness approach"
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BUT if we were to air these thoughts on social media,we'd be hung drawn and quartered,I'm glad these steps have been taken,whether you change sex or not,if born a man then you have a definite advantage in sports,did you see the black guy,sorry woman,who for the sake of his/her sport,he decided he was going to be a woman,blimey,he had muscles on his muscles,no way would a woman ever beat him in anything
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Sharon Davis the swimmer spoke out 10 years ago ....... but was silenced and hushed down >:(
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Yep,she was on the news a couple of mornings ago,she'll no doubt get the hate mail from the minority now
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Don't read social media perhaps?
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Not on any social media clkd and for good reason
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I love stirring it on local FB :-X :P
It amazes me when sports people worry about what is 'said' on social media, switch it off if it bothers them?
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Exactly,too many people ready to condemn others these days
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... Whilst insisting everyone else is tolerant of them.
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Ha,very true Sheila,too many opinions flying about and ALL of them right >:(
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So now we have a Sturgeon clone who will take the gender recognition debacle through the courts. Bad enough to have had a women telling other women they can't have safe spaces even worse when it comes from a man.
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Really. Immediately - surely wait at least a week B4 making his comments known >:(
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Couldn't agree more , thing is,here in Scotland Sturgeons popularity was on the decline,not just because of the stupid referendum but more so because of the gender recognition debacle,she jumped ship before it sank,so not sure how he will do following in her footsteps
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How true, Jaypo and Sheila. What a shambles! I reckon something fraudulent was about to come to light (yet again!) that prompted Sturgeon to jump!
Mr Yousaf failed working as Secretary within transport, health and justice (and let’s not forget him receiving a fine for driving without insurance!) But hold on………..
We had a failed solicitor running the country for the last few years so he’ll fit right in! Absolute embarrassment and a joke!
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My husband plants Nicola early potatoes each year as deep as he can ! a ritual that seems to give him some pleasure. His dad was from Scotland. This years lot have gone in already !
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As an aside - the terrible shooting in Nashville was someone who couldn't decide if he were she/them/it >:(
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Here's another one for you to look up,Zara Jade,trans woman.......apparently but got sent to a male prison,think HE stabbed his partner and stole money
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As my old dad used to say "we will all look the same in 100 years time" so........
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As my old dad used to say "we will all look the same in 100 years time" so........
Pretty sure I won't :(
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;D
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As my old dad used to say "we will all look the same in 100 years time" so........
Pretty sure I won't :(
;D one way of reading it !
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I don't already and I'm older than a lot of you ;D
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Oh fgs some woman who has nothing better to do has complained to Sainsbury because they've named a rump steak "big daddy" and so it goes on 😡😡😡
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Perhaps her husband is lacking in that department ;)
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;D
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Oh for goodness sake 🙄.....
I'm having big daddy and chips tomorrow night :rofl:
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Sad that some people have nothing better to do than look for things to whinge about :o
Maybe Sainsburys could suggest she gets a life!
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Oh for goodness sake 🙄.....
I'm having big daddy and chips tomorrow night :rofl:
And what about a steak songbird ;D
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It beggers belief doesn't it getting_old? Some folks really do need a reality check >:(
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It beggers belief doesn't it getting_old? Some folks really do need a reality check >:(
She's probably after compensation, for the trauma you know ::) ::)
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Oh for goodness sake 🙄.....
I'm having big daddy and chips tomorrow night :rofl:
And what about a steak songbird ;D
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Was glad to see that single sex schools will NOT allow youngsters in who decide the want to be the opposite sex also Budweiser has has faced a massive drop in sales due to using some "influencer" who apparently is a trans woman,I'd no idea who he was but my daughter said he/she isn't liked as he's very outspoken,so maybe people ARE fighting back?
I always write to these companies when they are being bullied by these minorities,if we don't these things will get out of hand,so it's maybe something we could all do?
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I think the same so called influencer has also done work for Nike and Olay, so two other brands that people are now talking about boycotting. I saw something about Sharron Davies speaking out against Nike.
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Sharron has spoken openly has has JK Rowling ;-).
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Did you see the advert for Nike? This bloke calling himself a woman,advertising sports bras,he's not even had the op!!! Shaped like a man,IS man yet is advertising women's clothes,what a joke.
Yep,good on Sharron AND jk,although jk didn't say anything but women have periods,then the little minority got stuck into her but isn't she right!?!
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She's 100% right Jaypo. And so is Sharron. We're needing more ladies in the public eye speaking out for sure >:( Blinking ridiculous >:(
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I think that NIKE have shot themselves in the foot! There's inclusive as well as stupidity.
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Omg. I haven't seen that! I'll keep a look out.
Bloody ridiculous.
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Hey Jaypo-
just want to thank you for starting this thread
I've been worried about gender bollocks for some years and find it doesn't go well with my blood pressure!
I have a teenage son who's always seen it for what it is and a teen daughter who was all "be kind" etc but has now come full circle- yay!! she says it's seen as daft by many at her school and kids are starting to feel comfortable in questioning it in class discussions (many of the teachers are a lost cause though). the kids do remain respectful towards the poor souls who believe themselves to be trans. anyway, big relief that gender ideology might be losing its shine with the "yoof"!
I've lost a gay male friend over it- horrible argument- I had his back in the 90s when homophobia was more prevalent- can't believe he's so dismissive of women's boundaries
I've often wondered what the women on here thought (not saying we're a total hive mind!) given our very female experiences of the difficulties menopause and our ages/life experience. I don't think there are many world-weary, middle aged women who are on board with Izzard etc- just simpering, spoilt slebs like Emma Thompson
Anyway, got that off my chest- i'm now going to read through the thread properly- taking breaks for my blood pressure to return to normal- I just wanted to say thanks before I do so :)
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oh and well done for calling these blokes...blokes! just sticks in my craw to say "she"
btw have you seen the south park episode "mr garrison's fancy new vagina" it's from around 2006 but prescient- well ahead of the curve.
they've speared gender ideology over the years- bloody love that show- i think it's kept my kids on the right path ;D
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Ha vintagefiend,you're not alone,as we've all said in this thread,these people are a tiny minority and probably attention seekers,although I do have sympathy with people who truly believe they have been born into the wrong body but sadly this has opened the door for all and sundry to say LOOK AT ME,I urge people to get in touch with these companies who buckle to the demands of these idiots and speak your mind to them,which I do think folks are doing,Budweiser for instance was down 4 million $s when people objected to that he/she advertising their lager. The one that gets my BP soaring is the Sam Smiths,who want to be known as they 😳😳😳 get a life
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I've said B4 : If a person runs into a Police Station saying 'they attacked me' the Force will be looking for multiples, not a single entity :-\
That's because your gay friend is male vintage fiend .......... regardless!
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It's sad re your gay friend, I'm friends with 2 gay men and they are of the same opinion,utter nonsense,I think we're their words.
It's these men who decide they want to become a woman,have the op,then date another woman and say they're lesbian WHAAAAAAAAT!!??
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oh that's music to my ears re budweiser- didn't know they'd lost a fortune over it- no-one wants to lose money over this nonsense- i mean JK Rowling's publisher's are going nowhere. this and it becoming an unfashionable fad will be its undoing
yes, CLKD, it's because my gay male friend is male and seemingly unable to exercise empathy/theory of mind. But it's particularly bitter for me given the support he received from young women- as me and my female friends were!- back in the 90s. he knows what it's like to be fearful, frightened of other men but can't make that leap of imagination on behalf of women.
Also, gender ideology is so inherently homophobic that I despair at his adherence to it!
Glad to hear that your gay mates see the woo for what it is, Jaypo.
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TOTALLY agree Vintagefiend. I'm in New Zealand where Posie Parker / Kellie Jay Keen of Let Women Speak was absolutely smeared by the press and then attacked by a pro-trans mob last month. Awful! I'm so ashamed at how she was treated. So great to hear young people are turning against this crap. I've always thought that's what would turn things around, when it was no longer cool or rebellious for the youngsters. Yay!
Hey Jaypo-
just want to thank you for starting this thread
I've been worried about gender bollocks for some years and find it doesn't go well with my blood pressure!
I have a teenage son who's always seen it for what it is and a teen daughter who was all "be kind" etc but has now come full circle- yay!! she says it's seen as daft by many at her school and kids are starting to feel comfortable in questioning it in class discussions (many of the teachers are a lost cause though). the kids do remain respectful towards the poor souls who believe themselves to be trans. anyway, big relief that gender ideology might be losing its shine with the "yoof"!
I've lost a gay male friend over it- horrible argument- I had his back in the 90s when homophobia was more prevalent- can't believe he's so dismissive of women's boundaries
I've often wondered what the women on here thought (not saying we're a total hive mind!) given our very female experiences of the difficulties menopause and our ages/life experience. I don't think there are many world-weary, middle aged women who are on board with Izzard etc- just simpering, spoilt slebs like Emma Thompson
Anyway, got that off my chest- i'm now going to read through the thread properly- taking breaks for my blood pressure to return to normal- I just wanted to say thanks before I do so :)
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I think we,as women,should start speaking up though,we can all moan about the utter nonsense of it but then do nothing,these women (JK ,Sharon Davies etc) should be applauded for speaking out,yes they faced the wrath of the pro trans lot but they are less than 1% of the population of the world,sadly the media have a lot to do with it,if we just ignore them,they'll go away,as it's attention they want
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This is media led, both social and broad sheet. Which is a shame for those that truly feel they need to change.
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Very well said poppytoast :)
We also know a couple,who had son,who now lives as a trans woman and she is perfectly happy and still to this day thinks it was the right decision,I have no issue with these people at all,it is such a tiny minority that if the media would stop raking up,we possibly would never know but today it is clearly yet another fad and they now teach this in schools,if you are a he or a she or neither that is fine,aren't children confused enough at this tender age? And here in Scotland they STILL want to let children change gender,it is appalling,like you said,as a child,how many of us would think.....wish I was a boy but as you age,this notion leaves you.Soon there will be all these trans children wanting to go back to their original sex and at the cost of tax payer >:(
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Don't get me started on men in womens' sport simply by saying "I'm a woman". >:( :bang: Article in the papers during the week about a man being part of a crew in the university boat race a few years ago, none of the women dared to say anything >:( and womens' pro cycling are having similar conversations. Many young girls are walking away after years of training .........
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Sanity has prevailed at the IOC though, those who have bben through make puberty won't be allowed to compete as a woman at the Olympics.
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Swimming also.
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Yep, I hope people are fighting back now,I'm sick to death of hearing of "trans rights" this 0.01% of people,what about women's rights >:(
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Blimey. Now schoolkids are being taught that men can get pregnant :bang:
Who needs a womb?! >:(
I'm glad I went to school in the pre-woke, sensible good old days. Dear God, what next? :stupid:
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Songbird,my OH was at an appointment today and it was wheelie bin day and someone had a sticker on their blue bin saying...... I identify as a green bin 🤣😂🤣😂 so people are starting to take the mickey
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;D Brilliant 👏...
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:rofl:
I would remove my children from school if anything close to those ideas were muted >:(
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Blimey. Now schoolkids are being taught that men can get pregnant :bang:
Who needs a womb?! >:(
I'm glad I went to school in the pre-woke, sensible good old days. Dear God, what next? :stupid:
What age children is this being taught to?
Taz :)
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Apparently over 1000 UK schoolchildren between the ages of 16 and 18 were surveyed. 20% confirmed they had been taught at some stage in their schooling that a man can give birth >:(
One third of British schoolchildren surveyed confirmed that they were taught that a woman can have a penis! Who'd have thought?! :angryfire:
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So 80% hadn't been taught that a man can get pregnant. Technically a trans man could get pregnant if he kept his womb and ovaries. This article explains things quite well https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-men-become-pregnant
It would be interesting as to where the 20% were taught it i.e. which type of school. I've found the article (Daily Mail) and there seems to be a lot of vagueness about the childrens answers. I find the tone of the articIe really awful. I do think that older pupils should be taught about the various differences in how people identify nowadays. I don't think that primary school children should be enabled to begin the process of changing gender. They are too young as has been said on this thread already I think.
Taz :-\
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Think I'll bail out right now, with my "further" thoughts and feelings on this kept firmly behind zipped lips 🤐 .
Back to "add one word" and "add three words" for me 🤔🤣
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Songbird,my OH was at an appointment today and it was wheelie bin day and someone had a sticker on their blue bin saying...... I identify as a green bin 🤣😂🤣😂 so people are starting to take the mickey
About time :banana:
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Noooo songbird,all imput is needed,how dare you abandon us ;D
I'm with you clkd,if my child was being taught this absolute rubbish,I'd be pulling her from the school.
Wasn't there a girl in Australia recently who wanted to be identified as a cat? For the love of god,where would it stop tell me?
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😲. Geez, it'll be a saucer of milk rather than a fruit shoot for the young Aussie lass :o
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;D as long as there are litter trays about the place
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;D as long as there are litter trays about the place
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/furries-australia-year-8-melbourne-private-school-girl-identifies-as-a-cat/news-story/04f31c482d0701cc1b42e047b5bcfce2. litter boxes mentioned
Taz :)
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Litter trays were my first thought ;D
Also: I wouldn't put the Daily Mail, Sun nor Mirror under my chickens' roost >:( :D
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Don't know who's worse,the people doing it or the people who pander to this utter garbage.
Today I'm going to identify with a lazy old bat that sits around drinking coffee ;D
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;D as long as there are litter trays about the place
Might be preferable to being locked in a small space with a man in a dress who may or may not be a rapist >:( (OK most of them aren't).
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Just read an article how men can suffer with post natal depression 😳😳😳😳😳 last I heard it was caused by hormones in women!!! Men MAY indeed get depression after the birth of a baby I dare say but to call it PND ?
Now adidas are at it,they have a man advertising a woman's bathing costume,nearly choked on me gluten free toast this morning when I spied the picture ;D
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This has been known about for years. It's called post natal as it affects men after the birth of their baby but obviously not hormone related. It happens during the post natal period so I guess that's why it's called that. It's good that men can get help too. https://www.tommys.org/pregnancy-information/blogs-and-stories/after-birth/tommys-midwives/postnatal-depression-men
Taz x
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Wonder what they'd feel like if they'd actually GIVEN birth 😳
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Good point Jaypo.
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I hadn't realised Tommy's was a racist organisation, you can book a 1-1 call but not if you're the wrong colour.
That's 2 reasons why it's gone down in my estimation (I'm sure some new dad's do get depressed but don't compare it what some women go through).
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A woman who pretended to be a man in order to deceive a woman into having sex with her has been convicted.
Blade Silvano used an unknown object and wore boxer shorts when she sexually assaulted the victim whom she met online, Cambridge Crown Court heard.
Silvano claimed to have never met the victim, telling a jury the relationship was based on fantasy and roleplay.
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I love that.
About the green bin identifying AS a green bin.
Made me laugh. :rofl:
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Ha, I know Jill,very clever,think I'll do one for my bin....... I identify as a toaster ;D
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"Life of Brian" 1979 - have a look at the clip - well B4 they're time !
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Ha, I remember that clip clkd.
Good to hear the cycling governing body has now said only biological females will be allowed to race in female contests and the males will be open to all
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Yep Jaypo. The right decision for sure. Not before time 👍
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Had a laugh with my OH today as I am genuinely confused (more than usual) article today about a transgender woman,who has a female partner who is non binary :o. So this trans woman become a woman to become lesbian?? Omg my brain is frazzled ;D
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;D ;D....I'm confused.com too Jaypo. Geez, I hope my mum doesn't come across this article. How on earth am I going to explain that one?! :o
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If the woman is non-binary she's not a lesbian. It does get confusing.
have two trans women friends who are both in lesbian relationships. It may sound strange but they have both gone through really difficult times to finally become who they needed to be. It is fabulous to see them finally happy rather than living the lives they were before, trying to conform, being thoroughly miserable in bodies which just didn't feel like their own.
Taz x :)
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Nup,don't get it,sorry, I have a friend who's son is now a trans woman and I DO have sympathy for genuine trans people but when it gets into all this nonsense of non binary,no,sorry,total attention seekers,look at meeeee,I'm even MORE different from others :(
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Haven't read whole thread but what the heck is wrong with a gingerbread man? ;D
Woke has gone too far, it's actually sending the truly woke back to sleep.
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There's an article in a Sunday paper about a boy/girl who now regrets transitioning and believes that most are lesbian ::).
Trans women were men :-\ ? so how can they be in lesbian relationships ....... that's surely heterosexual?
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Aww geeze clkd,my brain is actually about to go into meltdown ;D
This is exactly why changing gender is so risky in those who are too young to know,in the future we're going to have people want into go back to how they were at birth,I mean it's happening now. Yep,change to a woman to become a lesbian,oh puuuuleeease 😩
Oh do join in Kara,we're putting the world to rights ;D
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Lets get this straight [C what I did]
Women are born with a vagina, womb and potential
Men have a penis - enough said
Some girls find that they prefer the company of girls - men also hook up with men
So far so good ............ I read today that brains don't stop developing until the age of 20-25 so making such diverse decisions purely on a 'feeling' can be dangerous. Some children feel that they are 'in the wrong body' from an early age: i.e. 2-5 - after which a child begins to develop a feeling of 'self'. Before the age of 5 humans can't be influenced in the subject of gender. My Uncle was dressed in velvet dresses until the age of 6, a fabric that he hated ever after! [born in the early 1920s]. It was the fashion, it didn't make him anything other than a man.
Why can't parents suggest that their young children wait - without putting pressure on to dress either way? There were certain fabrics especially wool that my sister couldn't wear as it irritated her skin, she also undressed all her dolls. But no-one gave any thought to any 'what ifs'. We had shorts for Summer wear on the beach, otherwise it was dresses. Dad wouldn't allow his daughters to be seen in trousers :o.
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The word 'man' doesn't offend me, but apparently the word 'woman' offends some NHS chiefs.
https://can-sg.org/2023/02/23/open-letter-to-nhs-chiefs-the-importance-of-the-word-woman/
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tnx.
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Thank you.
isn't that appalling ?
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Yes, I have signed it, have you? :)
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Yep :)
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Signed.
If only they'd put a fraction of the effort involved here into investigating Lucy Letby...
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That could be a thread on its own :'(. I have questions about *that* which will never be answered.
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I read today about a French gynaecologist who has been vilified by the "trans" community as he wouldn't treat a trans woman,he said he'd no clue as he only treats real women and couldn't understand why they needed to see a gynaecologist in the first place. I sometimes wonder if certain trans people pull stunts like this for attention >:(
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Or perhaps the trans has listened to the fairy story and believes if you wear womens clothing and use their toilets you turn into one...
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R we able to start a banner club to support this Gyane?
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Thing is,when the trans community hear about this,they shout very loudly,the poor Dr probably thinks that there a millions of them >:(
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He's French - hopefully he will stand his ground !
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Good for him for speaking up. From my point of view he's been trained to treat real women, not trans, so he actually doesn't have the knowledge and skills to treat a trans person. Each doctor has their speciality that they are trained to treat, and they don't have the skills to treat other ailments. It's the same as expecting a gynaecologist to do brain surgery - imagine the uproar.
The issue I see is that a small minority of trans people, or those who have nothing better to do with their time, are demanding to be treated as special at the expense of the rest of society, when we should treat everyone as individuals, but we should ensure that we are not trampling over others to get our way.
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Totally agree getting old,it's the small minority that are ruining it for everyone,same with everything really :(
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Well said growing_old. Very eloquent.
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I wonder how you find someone who is skilled in treating these problems?
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I wonder how you find someone who is skilled in treating these problems?
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I would expect the people who do the trans surgeries are best qualified to provide ongoing care as they know the procedures that have been carried out.
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I wonder how you find someone who is skilled in treating these problems?
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I guess it would depend what the presenting problem is? I mean, without cervix, uterus and ovaries transvaginal scans, smear tests etc would not be required. There'd not be vaginal atrophy, maybe thrush or other conditions. But I can't see what biologically female problems down there could happen in am artificially constructed vagina. I honestly don't know. Infections maybe? In which case surely a GP or whatever doctor is responsible post surgery? This is me being ignorant though, as I genuinely can't think what could happen 🤷♂️
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I wonder how you find someone who is skilled in treating these problems?
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I guess it would depend what the presenting problem is? I mean, without cervix, uterus and ovaries transvaginal scans, smear tests etc would not be required. There'd not be vaginal atrophy, maybe thrush or other conditions. But I can't see what biologically female problems down there could happen in am artificially constructed vagina. I honestly don't know. Infections maybe? In which case surely a GP or whatever doctor is responsible post surgery? This is me being ignorant though, as I genuinely can't think what could happen 🤷♂️
I have no idea what changes are made, but I'm guessing they're not the same as you're born with, hence the need for people who've done these surgeries to provide aftercare.
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Transgender people may be banned from single-sex hospital wards under plans to restore "common sense" in the NHS, the health secretary says.
Speaking at the Conservative party conference, Steve Barclay announced a consultation on strengthening the protections in place for women.
NHS guidance issued in 2021 said trans people may be placed on wards according to the gender they identify as.
The change would stop that with trans people given their own rooms and areas.
But doctors have questioned whether there are the facilities available to achieve that.
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I wish I had something constructive to say but, TBH, I have “transgender fatigue!”
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Oh I know songbird, I think the media like to make things worse than they really are.
I do think that if a trans woman,has completely changed to a woman,all the ops etc,then they should be treated as a woman but not these idiots who slap on some make up and SAY they're a woman
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Oh I know songbird, I think the media like to make things worse than they really are.
I do think that if a trans woman,has completely changed to a woman,all the ops etc,then they should be treated as a woman but not these idiots who slap on some make up and SAY they're a woman
Spot on!
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I want my OWN ROOM because I hate being around others who are poorly :-\ >:(
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I want to go to a male ward ;D ;D ;D
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Oh not with those wrinkles who need things doing 4 them :-\ .... that is, bed pans/bottles, feeding, shaving :o
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No no,don't be silly clkd,there's a handsome only ward don't you know ;D
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Book me in Jaypo ;D
No, hold on, even good looking men trump loudly at night - so I’m told ;D :o
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But so do women.........so IM told ;D
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And they snore :whist:
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So trans people get their own rooms? If so I'm going to start wearing trousers and stop shaving my 'tache ;)
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;D
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:lol: Men should be on the Mens' Ward like others regardless >:(. It's bad enough that a few Hospitals still have mixed Wards :'(
I had a private room years ago and a young lad wandered in: it seemed that he was the Companies concession to 'employing a school leaver or person with a learning difficulty'. No one had warned me, I didn't dare go to the en-suite in case he came in :-\. I did mention my concerns .........
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..... when a man is accused of rape by the Police, if he insists that he is a 'woman', the Police then log the incident as that: a woman: as only a man can perform an act of rape in UK Law. :-\
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I'm sick to the back teeth of all this pretend trans nonsense,what a pathetic country this has become >:(
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I agree, Jaypo. I’m utterly sick of it all >:(
I’m moving to Japan to become a geisha (love the makeup) 😳. I reckon I’d be good doing the tea ceremony (tetley for me ;D)
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However: which Island would you live on and would you be worried by the regular tremors?
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Kyoto I think 🤔
Completely off topic but ::)......
Has anyone read Memoirs of a Geisha?
Fascinating 🤔
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These idiots who shout the loudest are called the 1% club I think,I'll just go live up the nearest mountain I think.
Again off topic but ONE person complained about a cruise ships horn as it left port (don't know which port nut U.K.) and it's now been stopped,honest to god,what a place
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I tried about 10 years ago, couldn't get into it ::)
Oh don't move to the countryside where sheep bleat, cocks crow, cows poo :-\
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But I DO live in the countryside clkd ;D it's a joy when the farmer muck spreads 🤢 ;D
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Especially when that 'man' spreads muck in the direction of the laundry on the line :D
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It's the smell,omg even with the doors and windows shut :o
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There's a chemical reason why certain whiffs hand in the nostrils, one would need to know about chemistry ::)
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This athlete has a vagina but no womb and at examination was found to have internal testes. :-\. Which bit of having a lot of muscle strength isn't fair on other women athletes don't the various organisations get ? It doesn't matter what she calls herself ....... her whole profile is male due to the testosterone and without a womb, obviously she's never experienced periods. Her family treated her like a boy whilst she was growing up. Her book is due to be published.
Hyperandrogenism is a medical condition characterised by higher than usual levels of testosterone, a hormone that increases muscle mass and strength.
Under regulations introduced in 2018, athletes with DSD were only allowed to compete in female track events between 400m and the mile if they reduced their testosterone levels.
In March, World Athletics ruled that DSD athletes must now have hormone-suppressing treatment for six months before being eligible to compete in all female events.
"For me I believe if you are a woman, you are a woman," said Semenya, who won Olympic 800m gold in 2012 and 2016 and is a three-time world champion over the same distance.
At the end of the day, I know I am different. I don't care about the medical terms or what they tell me. Being born without a uterus or with internal testicles. Those don't make me less of a woman," added Semenya".
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I heard "her" on the radio this morning, she sounded just like a man. Not at all female.
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I worked many years ago with a woman who's daughter had this syndrome. It was discovered when she hadn't started menstruating by the age of 17. It's called CAIS and is tremendously upsetting. She looked like a girl and to all intents and purposes was a young woman but with just a vagina and no ovaries or womb. The mum was devastated. The daughter was going to have the testes removed but I left the company shortly after so never found out how she got on.
Taz x
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In the late 1960s someone we knew had been born with both genitalia on show: raised as a girl until puberty ........ not talked about then. There was a thought that he had absorbed a twin hence the appearance at birth of undeterminant sex.
Casta however looks like a bloke ..........
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Who saw the news stating an endometriosis charity has appointed a trans woman?WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY was there not enough female at birth women to take on the job? Surely you would hire someone who knows what it feels like to have this painful condition,what a joke
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/female-reproductive-health-charity-outrage-appointing-trans-woman-ceo
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Omg that's nuts!
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Unacceptable, I know the charity is trying to be all hip and trendy but why didn't they ask WOMEN if this was acceptable or not >:(
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That is appalling it just is.
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Why would he apply anyway ........... :-\
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God alone knows clkd,I've no problems with her being trans but NOT advising women on things she can never experience
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She was asked to take it on I believe. She is an activist. I wonder if there would be such an outcry if a male-at-birth person i.e. a biological male had been given the role? How many charities are headed up by people who have actually had personal experience of what they are supporting? Just idly wondering while waiting for my lunch :)
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That was DH's suggestion, a CEO position is likely to have been head hunted ::). I still don't agree though :-\ and I realise that not many 'at the top' of companies have actual 'on the ground' experiences!
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There was something like that though wasn't there Taz? Wasn't some guy in charge of periods & menopause?just looked it up lol Dundee man Jason Grant
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He sued and won for unfair dismissal ::)
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There was something like that though wasn't there Taz? Wasn't some guy in charge of periods & menopause?just looked it up lol Dundee man Jason Grant
https://afterathena.co.uk/man-dismissed-from-period-dignity-officer-role-issues-tribunal-claim/
Taz x
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A man who was removed from his role as Scotland's first period dignity officer has settled his case out of court. Jason Grant sued the partnership that hired him last year, on the grounds of sex discrimination, with the case set to call next March. 24 Oct 2023
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It's just ridiculous,how could a man possibly EVER know,what period pain feels like,what having heavy periods is like,menopause etc,it needs a woman
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Even if the CEO has an idea of how a Charity/Company might work, no one actually knows the basics of why/how/where4s. [a bit like UK Government ;D ]
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An amateur cyclist: supposed to be the 1st openly gay competitor: feels it's not 'right' for trans-women to be banned from pro. womens' cycling events. Quite frankly IMO it's nowt to do with him. He may be 'top' in his events .......... I wonder how he would feel if trans-men began beating him !?!?!
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Well there's a surprise, for him politics is more important that fairness.
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Apparently after next Season he's going to stop competing. Send on le Tour I suggest ;D
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I read the article and couldn't understand it :-\
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He was on the News last night, sparking controversy. Many Sports Governing Bodies are not allowing trans-athletes to compete against women. Even if they transitioned prior to puberty which is very unlikely. Due to high testosterone levels which will out-compete women. I have Sharon's book [the swimmer] to read next.
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It's absolutely ridiculous,a trans woman will usually always beat a real woman,they retain their strength and usually their physique >:(
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As well as greater heart and lung capacity. It's irrelevant if their testosterone levels are low when they compete, the physical advantages they gained during puberty remain for life.
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The 1% lot shout the loudest that's the problem
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Agreed. Which is why Sharon and others are speaking out and writing books with lots of statistics etc.. Some of which is usually way over my head ::)
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The 1% lot shout the loudest that's the problem
Probably not even 1%, yet we're supposed to pander to them. It's getting ridiculous. Whatever happened to democracy?
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Totally agree getting old,the last one that made my blood absolutely boil (not gender related) was poor Fiona Bruce,apparently she was vilified because she picked a person in the audience of question time by saying "who's next? Yes,the black guy" she was crucified but the 1% gang,probably mostly white put the boot in and she had to apologise,then this man came forward and said......but I AM a black guy lol
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So glad to read the U.K. government has overruled the SNP in this ridiculous gender recognition rubbish. Hopefully the SNP will be OUT in Scotland at the next election
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No doubt there will be an uproar?
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And so say all of us, Jaypo....
Blinkin charlatans, the lot of them :cuss:
And, as for the Health Secretary saying his sons were watching football on his works laptop on holiday, thereby racking up a huge bill......more like daddy watching a dodgy channel!
Pinocchio comes to mind - bloody sack him and take Humza Useless at the same time :(
Songbird's in a mood :o
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Noooooo ........... any particular mood?
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Sorry songbird, know how much you miss Nicola 😂🤣 🏃 💨💨💨💨
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I’m in a “for the love of God, we must get rid of the nasty party” mood, CLKD >:(
I do miss Nicoliar, Jaypo (like a hole in the head) :beat:…
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🏃 💨💨💨💨
This makes 'jet propelled' take on a whole new meaning ;D
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Totally agree getting old,the last one that made my blood absolutely boil (not gender related) was poor Fiona Bruce,apparently she was vilified because she picked a person in the audience of question time by saying "who's next? Yes,the black guy" she was crucified but the 1% gang,probably mostly white put the boot in and she had to apologise,then this man came forward and said......but I AM a black guy lol
That's the interesting thing with so much of this. Most people I meet, regardless of sex, colour, gender, etc. just want to live their lives and get on with things and not be "recognised" for their so called "difference", but they are made to feel different, and awkward, by these people who shout about it and demand that we recognise that these people are "different". I hope that makes sense as I'm not great with words :-*
It's like the memes we see about everyone having the same skeleton regardless of what's on the outside.
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It makes good sense. Many people of colour say that it's the Press/groups that cause the problems rather than the problems arriving from within the black communities!
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........ admitted as a girl 3 years ago. OK until he began telling his peer group, mostly girls, that he isn't a girl after all.
So it teaches a child of 4 to tell lies, it upsets those around who eventually find out and now he's taunting them ............. so there are carers/parents/staff who are complicant [is that the word I'm after :-\] in continuing with the lies. What about when the child needed the toilet and does the School concerned not have PT ... or swimming ... or any sense at all >:(
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What a screwed up world it's going to be in years to come.
I was over the moon when the SNPs RIDICULOUS idea of choosing a gender as and when you feel like it,failed to pass in the U.K. courts ,they've lost a lot of votes over it all
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Exactly Jaypo.
And deleting WhatsApp messages during the pandemic was thought to be OK by the Nasty party and their cohorts! It wasn't for them to decide what was and wasn't relevant in the inevitable enquiry that would follow the pandemic :cuss:
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So back to this child being accepted into a school ........... I believe that he should have been taken into Care !
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Naughty Songbird - note to self.......
"Don't digress from subject in hand" ;D
I'm so disappointed in myself ;) :o
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Yeah. Right. ;D Dunces cap for you :whist: :party:
Surely at age 4 and younger a child shouldn't be aware of 'sex' in any shape or form :-\. I knew the difference from little boys and little girls because 'god had given boys a handle' ::).
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I'm so disappointed in you too songbird ;D ;D
They definitely shouldn't be concerned by anything sexual at that age .
Now every time someone says "just turn the handle" I'm going to be in stitches ;D
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My goodness, at age 3 or 4, all I remember is toddling about with my tiny tears!
Honestly, the more I read, the more bewildered I become. I’m just grateful I spent my childhood in the 60s/70s! The good old days when you didn’t get numpties throwing soup over the Mona Lisa -
😲 I’m digressing again ;)
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That annoys me too, fortunately she is behind glass.
HOW DARE THEY! and why ...... :-X >:(
Oh you're younger than me than Songbird, I was way beyond Tiny Tears .......... I do remember being told off when watching our neighbour doing a pee against a wall seeing how high he could reach ;D
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The thing with kids is,they're easily moulded,you tell them there's a Santa...believed,tooth fairy.....believed and nowadays young parents openly talk about their "anxiety " (yeah right) and all this trans stuff,of course children are listening,they're sponges,they soak everything in,so if for instance like me as a child, was a Tom boy but no no,nowadays I'd be getting told I'm in the wrong body and I'm actually a boy and these kids believe,it's nigh on mental abuse
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I agree jaypo. Now the child concerned is taunting the girls in his group >:(. Who feeds these kids ideas . Why not give them toys to play with as well as long walks and swimming. Too many parents on their mobiles instead of talking to their kids, often facing the 'wrong' way in buggies so there is absolutely no connection :bang: :beat: :kick:
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..... again I think that nothing else will surprise me - but now carousel horses are at risk :o ;D - off to re-read the article, something to do with Dutch activists ........
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Whaaaaaaatttt?!?
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Oh for God’s sake - have they all been made into Eunochs?! ‘Course they have! :cuss:
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It's not a sexual/gender thing. It's about children thinking that it would be ok to just use animals for pleasure https://www.dutchnews.nl/2024/02/fairground-carousel-horses-give-kids-the-wrong-message-peta/
Taz x
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I’ve just read your link, Taz. Understand now. Still have the same feeling, however - downright stupid! :cuss:
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It'll be teddy bears and rocking horses next
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What a load of twoddle,I'm all for banning circus animals etc but these rides let children act out their fantasies,kids who will never have an opportunity to ride a horse etc I won't start on about PETA,having been veggie for 31 years you'd think I'd be in favour of them but I'm not.
When I read your comment clkd I thought we were going to have gender neutral horses next ;D ;D
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The next generation will have even more warped ideas >:(
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Although I'm sure my chihuahua thinks she's male,she lifts her leg to wee ;D ;D
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My JR did that - it's to spread their 'scent' around ;-) and I now dogs that won't lift when they pee ::). She was neutered, he isn't.
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My boy lifts his leg and a little 💩 pops out ;D
Let me clarify.......
I meant the cockapoo not my hubby :rofl:
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So we shouldn't exploit fibreglass horses but instead encourage the use of fossil fuels. I suppose that solves the problem, when neither horses nor humans can survive there won't be any exploitation.
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My boy lifts his leg and a little 💩 pops out ;D
Let me clarify.......
I meant the cockapoo not my hubby :rofl:
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
We're more interested in when your hubby lifts his leg songbird
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Eeewwwwwwww. :barf:
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:rofl:
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Absolutely stupid these people and their warped ideas having read the Link tnx Taz. Putting people out of business if Fair Grounds decide to close their rides. I spent many a happy hour on carousels - couldn't now, even watching makes me queasy lol - in cars, on horses, chickens, motorbikes ......... most of them metal.
It's 1 of our oldest forms of fairground entertainment. How many do we know who had turned to animal crimes that rode on these horses etc.? >:(
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Sadly if certain people had their way,we wouldn't drive cars,wouldn't go on holiday,wouldn't speak in fear of offending someone from the 1% club,we'd all stay at home,ride bikes and have no enjoyment whatsoever,wow,would it be worth living?
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Sounds very Victorian to me :D. Though riding a bike in those huge dresses might be a challenge ::)
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Not if you hitch it up over your shoulders. :rofl:
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You'd know, would you :lol:
Suspenders and cycle clips would be required. Probably.
With bloomers ?
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For God's sake, the Scottish Nasty Party have now issued guidelines to NHS Scotland claiming that it's not just women who suffer from menopausal symptoms!! How do they work that out??
Transgender, intersex and non-binary individuals can, apparently, legitimately get time off work due to having bothersome menopausal symptoms :o. Who'd have thought? Thank goodness our NHS have got the Nasty Party to guide them! 🤷♀️
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Whereas menopausal women are unlikely to be looked upon favourably for time off >:(. U really couldn't make it up!
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Oh songbird don't get me started,we need to get Humza out and sooner rather than later,Scotland is now legitimately a laughing stock.
Also that guy who wanted to go to a woman's jail but he was a rapist?? Remember? He is now using the hate crime law against prison wardens because they are refusing him makeup , think I'll move back to England 🤨
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I'm coming with you Jaypo >:(
I'm utterly sick of the nonsensical stuff coming out! It's scary, that's what it is..
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Thing is,the Scottish Labour leader is apparently just as bad as Humza,so I've no idea who to vote for these days
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I'll ask a dear transgender friend of mine of whom I have several if menopausal pain is a "thing"and get her opinion. I know she feels very threatened at the moment by certain events leading to hatred against certain minority groups.
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If he's a trans man,then I dare say meno symptoms can be a thing but no way can a trans woman have meno symptoms,biologically impossible.
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Male to female. Be interesting to get her thoughts.
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Maybe they actually mean having problems with HRT side effects. A close trans woman friend of mine has had a difficult time finding the right regime which doesn't cause her to have disabling migraines. This meant days off work from her demanding job. She does have a supportive boss though.
Taz :-\
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Good point Taz it's something that I have wondered about. If women have side effects and find a regime difficult to sort, how do the trans community who undergo treatments fare? Even the Journalist David = Diane didn't mention those in the accounts of his long journey. He spent £Ks as well as went the whole way and in the reveal photo he looked absolutely stunning 8).
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Yes I'm sure that's right Taz. I know during COVID she was panic stricken as certain drugs she needs were difficult to get and she was in a lot of discomfort. Probably hrt related and she is in her forties too. Also absolutely beautiful!
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It is becoming easier for trans women to access HRT products now but can still take far too long in my opinion. Websites and forums such as this are an invaluable source of information of course and, from what I've been told, can really help in the quest to get treatment. As we always say on here to whoever is finding themselves fobbed off by the GP - read up on as much as possible and go back to the GP forearmed with all of the information and don't give up. Dealing with hormone problems is hard enough even without transitioning, which often brings its own difficulties with your friends and loved ones (including your children maybe) having to adjust to the new "you".
Autumnwalks - my friend is beautiful too and puts me to shame with her make-up and fantastic dress sense. ;D I hope your friend now has the treatment she needs. I'm sorry she is having a worrying time.
Taz x
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From a friend in NZ - contestant on The Traitors (in NZ) is 30 but when asked to desribe themselves stated "identifies as a 22 year old" ::) ::) ::)
Other contestants described themselves as police officer, funeral director, gamer, ..........
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That should take the wind out of activists sails ;-).
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There was a picture of a wheelie bin in one of the papers and it had a big sticker on it saying " I identify as a toaster" ;D
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There was a picture of a wheelie bin in one of the papers and it had a big sticker on it saying " I identify as a toaster" ;D
but does it burn the toast???
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Or is it totally ignored on emptying day :-\ ::)
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Oh dear,you have to laugh haven't you? :D