Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Vicky81 on July 08, 2022, 09:24:17 AM
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Hi all
Sorry to post again,, but I've got up today feeling so bad,, low mood,, quite angry feel. I've slept like a log and could barely get myself up.
I've had covid as you know and been negative for 4 days now.
I feel like I did when peri was first starting (but anxiety not as bad)
I'm at my wits end as I was really getting somewhere and now I feel I've took a huge step back. I just feel so emotional.
I have nothing inside me,, just sat on the bed again. Awful.
I'm on zoely pill (restarted from sunday) and I'm just hoping now that covid hadnt stopped it from working.
I have a gp calling me this m6who specialises in covid (so the receptionist told me) so il see what he says.
Thanks in advance to you all.
Love vic xxx
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I hope you feel better soon. I think you're still on the covid zone, some people are affected for a long time afterwards.
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Hi Vicky
You have had a horrible virus which can really take it out of anybody who gets it.
I know it's horrible when you think you've been improving only to start feeling rotten again.
Sadly I don't know enough to give specific medical advice, just didn't want to just ignore your post.
Bear in mind you HAD been starting to improve - when you get over the covid your body will improve again.
Hopefully the GP will give you some useful advice.
Hope you feel better soon.
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Aww thank you all for your kind replies.
Jaypo- what symptoms of long covid to you get? Xx
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Hi Vicky. I really am sorry to hear you are feeling low. I understand you thinking it may be the HRT etc, but it could also be Covid. Covid is really exhausting and that in itself will make you feel low. When we have no energy it is hard to feel out usual selves. I think it may help to give yourself some time to rest and just relax. You sound like the kind of person who is always busy and I am guessing not being able to do your usual things may also be making you feel low.
If there is a programme you enjoy or something you like listening to then maybe that is something you can do. We cannot do anything really when feeling unwell.
I had Covid and then had long Covid for about 5 or 6 months. I was really fatigued and could not do much. Luckily, it has passed. Be kind to yourself. :)
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I know people who have had Covid who have felt really rubbish emotionally for a little while afterwards. I echo the above advice to rest and look after yourself as much as you can.
Hope you feel better soon.
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Awww thanks all!!!!! So nice of you.
Flossie- you had fatigue for 5/6 months?,
Nicodemus- oh so the emotional symptoms are common ?, how long did they last with the people you know had it? X
Jaypo- so was it the results if your fit test that caused the anxiety for you?, xxx
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Awww thanks all!!!!! So nice of you.
Flossie- you had fatigue for 5/6 months?,
Nicodemus- oh so the emotional symptoms are common ?, how long did they last with the people you know had it? X
Jaypo- so was it the results if your fit test that caused the anxiety for you?, xxx
Yes I did. It has passed now though. :)
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I think viruses of any kind can really take it out of you ! I’ve just had/having a virusey type thing and it’s brought my hot flushes on again horribly and I feel rubbish. Although it’s so hard to unpick what is virus and what is hormones (day 29 so things going on).
Covid is particularly bad, when I had it (before vaccine but when you could all test) I was convinced I was going to die because we’d had it drilled into us so much. That anxiety made things 100 times worse.
In my CBT I did recently I did a lot about “intolerance of uncertainty” which as you know is a big CBT area of work. In other words anxious people try to get comfort (and certainty) from trying to immediately fix the problem or somehow predict the future ….only leads to more anxiety.
But life isn’t certain and nothing we do can make it so. We need to accept that sometimes we don’t know what will happen in the future. I find that terribly hard as I’ve had years of trying to plan and control every little thing.
Better to concentrate on how things are right now …. If you feel ill, rest, can you make adjustments to help….can you cancel engagements, can you get someone to help with chores. Would meditation or going for a walk help right now etc. Can you cut down on googling symptoms etc, are you eating well enough, is there something that could be keeping you busy…that sort of thing.
Of course you can work towards making your life better. These things take time though, there are no instant fixes. But all the trying to fix things should be going on in the background with appropriate patience, not an everyday way of living.
Hope some of this helps
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My son, he was 19 at the time, caught Covid at very start of Pandemic. He was pretty sick and it took him 6 weeks to recover but i was worried for a year following as he became very anxious person especially when people got near him in queues and on public transport.
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I feel bad as he was very frightened when he was ill with Covid and shut himself away in room as he was terrifed that he would give it to his younger sister who has heart defect. He is a cuddly person and i couldn't give him those hugs he needed.
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Thank you again.
Flossie- so glad it passed for you after all those months!!!
Jaypo- glad the CT was all clear! And yes anxiety is the pits!!
Vanilla- yes you make sense there, I'm like that ..trying to instantly fix things....I will rest up 4 sure x
Tinkerbell- how awful to get covud at 19! Aww bless him. I'm so glad he made a full recovery....he sounds a sweet boy xxx
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So just spoke to GP, he tells me that covid doesn't interfere with contraceptive pill or antidepressant.
Told him how I felt etc but didn't gave any answers really.
Just makes me wonder why I feel so low in mood then if it doesn't interact with medication....plus the jittery anxiety feel,?? Hmm
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Have you thought of coming everything Vicky, just too see where the land lies with your body now ?
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Hi nas
Erm....no I'm very happy with the duloxetine (AD)
But I came off marvelon after 6 days to go back to zoely as I thought this was the cause of the jitters etc.
Been on zoely now for 6 days. Looking at my journal the last time I took it I was on it for 24 days....no jitters etc. So it can't be the zoely can it?, of it was ok wiyh me prior?? Xx
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Sorry - on it for 14 days
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No, I meant come off the hormonal tablets and stick with the anti depressants.
When I get jittery and anxious, it usually means my hormones aren’t balanced.
It’s a minefield to be honest.
Hope you feel better soon🤞
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Thanks nas.
I was thinking that it could have been down to the marvelon as its really high in oestrogen and progesterone. The jitters came the day after I started it , also got covid the exac6dame day. I continued on with the marvelon until the sat and on the Sunday I went back on zoely as I thought it was the marvelon perhaps too high 4 me??
Now I'm wondering whether I'm getting these symptoms as I've come off one and changed to a lower dose one (zoely) and maybe it takes time to settle??
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Could be that your body isn’t settled yet. The only way to know, is to give a product at least 3 months, then evaluate.
I think it is common when you switch product and dose, to experience these feelings, to be honest, especially when you go from a high dose to a lower one.
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Oh really?? Wow I feel a bit better now...because if I come off zoely now ...my hormones are gunna worse I guess?
You are so knowledgeable nas just like all the ladies on here...that's why I turn to you guys so much as I'm relatively new to all this carry on! Symptoms to look for etc.
I am thinking I shoukd stay on zoely.....what do you think in all honest? Xxx
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I read back on here a girl called briony tried marvelon...she documented it and was saying she felt jittery more anxious....and a lady put back that this sounds like too much oestrogen....that's exactly how I've been feeling
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Just to add in I've also been experiencing some womb aches since the switch
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Your GP is well behind the times. Why does that not surprise me. Early on women suffering with Covid were reporting bleeds where they had been period free for several years.
Treat this like a virus. It runs it's course. Viruses make the body kick in which can deplete energy. Keep hydrated. Take pain relief when necessary. Rest.
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Awww thank you CLKD....means alot xxxx
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What do you propose to do ...........
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Too much oestrogen is as bad as too little Vicky.
Just stick with the zoely for the time being. Don’t be tempted to change drug at all. Even if you feel rough, try and ride the storm. Remember you are peri menopause.., you still have oestrogen floating about.
Let the body settle into a pattern.
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Thanks nas I will....have a good evening! Xxx
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Hi Vicky xx
Hope you are feeling better today
Lots of love
Justyna xx
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Hi justyna
Erm...about the same really. Tired and still feeling a bit of physical anxiety.
I'm hoping zoely works I'm prepared to give it a few months to see....which pill to choose after that I'm thinking of cerelle....its progesterone only and I used it in 2016 with no issues at all...only thing is I'm unsure if its right for peri fluctuations?
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Stick to the Zoely and give it a full 3 months and see where you are at.
You can't find someone who had more jitters, heart palpitations and anxiety than me starting on estrogen (seeing I ended up in A&E!) and mine are now MUCH better. Although not totally gone. I am 6wks into 62.5.
I've used Cerelle (desogestrel) for 9 years before starting HRT and I'm still on it now - at the same time as HRT. It's not going to give you any estrogen or help your peri symptoms, if anything it may make things worse taken alone because it suppresses the estrogen coming from your own ovaries to the early follicular phase (v low). It's the reason I think I was hit so hard and so suddenly with my peri symptoms - it reduced the estrogen I was getting from my own body even more than peri itself does.
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Oh thanks joziel- so always best to have the combined pill?
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It's more that, now you are peri-menopausal (or heading there) you are going to be dealing with low estrogen.
There are two combined pills which use body identical estrogen - the Zoely you're on and Qlaira.
If you don't go for either of those, there is HRT. Which can be more flexible because you can dial up and down the estrogen to suit what you need/want (as long as you don't go for an oral HRT where it's more fixed) but HRT isn't going to give you birth control, if that's what you want...
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Ok thanks so much xxx
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Joziel- could I ask....is the conventional pill like marvelon,, microgynon30, mercilion not advised for peri?
As my friends mum (who i know very well) has used microgynon 30 for years (she is 49 now), and absolutely swears by it...says it changed her life. Her GP even said he's prepared to keep her on it as her mood swings were that bad she was going to take her own life xxx
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If women are already on the combined pill, and it's suiting them, then why change (until you get to 50, when really you will be changed by your doctor).
The only difference between Zoely/Qlaira and other combined pills, is that they use body identical estrogen.
By the way, you don't need to message me to tell me you have replied here. Everyone gets a notification at the top of the forum to tell them of any new replies.
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By the way, you don't need to message me to tell me you have replied here. Everyone gets a notification at the top of the forum to tell them of any new replies.
I may be missing something here. Is there a setting I've missed? It tells me if there's a new pm but not if there's been a reply to a post. Apart from 'show new replies to your posts' but that just shows replies on a thread I've commented on rather than a reply to my specific post.
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Hi both .....yes I'm confused too...sorry joziel I didn't realise as I've never seen this before sane as Sheila......
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Oh right....cheers!