Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Sazduggs on October 28, 2021, 04:11:37 PM
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Help ladies,
Does anyone find they have these symptoms of their estrogen levels get a little or a lot! Too high? I’m on estrogen pellets and testosterone pellets due to full hysterectomy several years ago. I’m not talking about estrogen dominance as I have no progesterone for it to dominate! I had my latest pellet 2 weeks ago but the old one wasn’t overly low so I have to ride it out until the old one lowers more…. I’m suffering with….
Terrible itching- armpits and chest mainly
Muscles fatiguing quickly, just front walking up the stairs, legs few ready to die!
A little spotty
Tiredness late afternoon, often taking a little nap
Feeing a little jittery
Feeling like cortisol is running through my veins
Lower tummy weight gain
Feeling of water retention
Increase in anxiety
Not depression as such(not like when E is too low!!) b ur a low grade blurgh feeling
No oomph!
Shortness of breath
Other than the itching none of them are severe, I just wondered if anyone else gets any of these when E is higher xx
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Those are all low Estrogen symptoms for me. Could it have failed or does it take time to build?
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I get very similar symptoms for both high and low, the only 2 factors that differentiate are severe depression and painful joints for low E, which I don’t have so I know it’s high, it’s just the bloody itching is worse than ever and driving me nuts!!!
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How are you getting on with the implant?
I had Estrogen and t implant 27th nov and not improved at all yet, in fact I’ve had my usual dips and had an awful week as I’m still peri. I’m hoping it’s still climbing and will work.
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My symptoms are exactly the same for high and low! Just dabble with my oestrogen until I get the balance right.
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Floo36, I was on 2 x 100 E patches when I first started the pellets!! And they told me that it takes quite a while to build up then only lasts a short time. They were right… but the 2-3-4 etc became spot on. My first one gave around 6-7 weeks of sanity that was all, then they gave me the 2nd one at the 4 month point. Who gave you them? Chelsea and west? Claire ballone?
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Hi
I had to go private unfortunately as desperate, the menopause clinic London did it. It’s week 5 so do you think it still may work? I am having severe fluctuations which are not helping. Are you ok now?
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Hello ladies.
I don't know how relevant this is but an NHS consultant Gynaecologist told me that with implants less is often more. He explained that many of his patients wanted to have their implants renewed sooner than planned because their symptoms had come back but infact they requited less oestrogen not more. He said he had some patients who were using Oestrogen every other day and were doing well.
My meno clinic is always pushing for higher Oestrogen but I often think of the conversation I had with the consultant and wonder if he was right.
I am post meno and using gel so I don't have any personal experience of implants but I thought you ladies may be interested in hearing the views of another menopause expert.
Wishing you all well.
K.
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Thanks Kathleen,
I do know that it’s more Estrogen that I need because when mine spikes up I feel better mentally but it doesn’t last because they are just fluctuations and my own cycle. My menopause doctor did say that in peri some need higher Estrogen and that we are all so different. She also said that you won’t always need so much as time goes on.
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It could still work mine fist one took about 6 weeks to kick in, worked for 6 weeks then I had to top up with a patch for the last 6 weeks. Then the next one was implanted…. It started working after about 3 weeks and lasted about 4 months… pellets are cumulative. 95% of the time I feel amazing in pellets, I couldn’t imagine using anything else now…. Which is why it’s awful news that the American company that make them have gone bust and they won’t be around much longer…. So back to patches eventually 🙄😫
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Oh no if it’s the only thing that does work for me then I’m stuffed as nothing else works and I’ve tried almost everything apart from Premarin. How did you find out, what is the company called?
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Hello again ladies.
I have just had another thought. My meno doctor tells me that my Oestrogen levels are good however I am still suffering from low mood and anxiety. I suppose this could be because my oestrogen is too high? Confusingly my crying episodes really kicked in when I was off all HRT for a year.
A GP told me that the mood problems resolve eventually and my trusty meno book says the emotional symptoms decline when we reach our mid sixties. Maybe I should have just toughed it out?
Why is this so difficult to work out ladies?
Take care everyone.
K.
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Hello again ladies.
I have just had another thought. My meno doctor tells me that my Oestrogen levels are good however I am still suffering from low mood and anxiety. I suppose this could be because my oestrogen is too high? Confusingly my crying episodes really kicked in when I was off all HRT for a year.
A GP told me that the mood problems resolve eventually and my trusty meno book says the emotional symptoms decline when we reach our mid sixties. Maybe I should have just toughed it out?
Why is this so difficult to work out ladies?
Take care everyone.
K.
Hi Kathleen
I never really know if my oestrogen is too high or low. I have the same symptoms for both - low mood, fuzzy head, tearfulness.
I actually cut down from 75 patch and 3 pumps of gel just to the patch and felt so much better. Now I’ve had my Covid vaccine I feel awful again and not sure whether to add in gel or reduce? It’s a minefield! X
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Hello Nik2502
You must be very frustrated with it all and I do sympathise. My meno Dr tells me that my Oestrogen levels are good so I should be feeling the benefits by now but my moods are still a problem.
It is interesting that you felt better without the added gel and hopefully the vaccine's effects on your hormones will soon wear off.
I upset myself this evening by worrying about how my daughter will cope with all of this when it's her turn, silly really as she is young and her hormones are all about making babies at the moment! It does make me sad to think of the huge impact the menopause has on us and how debilitating the symptoms can be. Perhaps in the future the whole process will be better treated and understood. I think Dr Louise Newson has set up a charity that will fund research amongst other things so there is hope.
Wishing you well and I hope that you feel better soon.
K.
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Hi Kathleen,
Your meno doctor says your Estrogen levels are good but they may not be for you, we all need different levels to feel good is what I’m told. Have you tried increasing the Estrogen to see if it helps? What is your level that they say is good?
I’ve just had a really tough few days again, the things it does to my brain is terrifying.
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Had a terrible few days here to Floo,
Actually I think I’m slowly dying!
Hadto come off HRT due to bleeding and Christ, it feels dreadful!
No clue what to do any longer. 😢
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Oh Nas it’s awful, awful, awful. I often feel that way too. I lift in mood and symptoms than bam back down again. One minute panic the next tears, mood swing, feeling overcome and poisoned then tight chest can’t breath with anxiety, then calm, it’s absolute torture.
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It is. Seriously can hormones make us feel so awful??
No one, but no one seems to be suffering to this degree that I know of!
What regime are you on again?
I just want it to end 😥
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Had the implant estradiol and testosterone 5 weeks ago so waiting to see if things improve. I’m now covered in itchy rash, what’s going on?
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Not sure Floo,
Maybe an allergic reaction to something?
How are you feeling on the implant? How do they determine the dose?
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Sorry to read the posts which I can totally recognise, it’s so darn hard to find balance!
Nik was it your booster that upset hormones? My first vaccine threw all into disarray, still not back yet to where I was, as was increased with awful effects and now coming down is difficult and has to be at snails pace!
Kathleen can I ask what your levels of Estrogen are please? Are you very post Meno?
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Hello sweettooth
I am very post meno as my last period was in 2010. My most recent blood test results were taken in May last year and they were:-
Oestradiol 633.37 pmol/L
SHBG 116.32 nmol/L
Testosterone 1.82 nmol/L
Free Androgen Index 1.56 (0.5 - 6.5)
This test was done by Newson Health and they tell me that they represent good levels.
I hope this is helpful to you.
Wishing you well.
K.
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Forgive me if you've already said, Kathleen, but what is your regime? Have you been on HRT continuously? Many thanks.
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Kathleen
Thank you v much indeed!! Mine were 520 and I felt really good for about 6 weeks since starting Estrogen ( only) but the vaccine affected receptors and when my Estrogen was increased a lot, I felt ten times worse! I am in process of decreased to get my levels where they were and hoping vaccine will wear away completely🤞
I have read some of your posts as I too am way post Meno, Re your mood, perhaps it’s the prog element or your E could be a bit too high? It’s all a trialling journey that’s for sure! X
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Nas, no change on the implant still bad.
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Oh no Floo, how long does it take to work?
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It varies from person to person. I’m just waiting to see if not the only other thing I haven’t tried is Premarin, not what I want but I have to try everything, too ill not to.
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Have you tried every transdermal and oral Hrt there is Floo?
My mum takes Premarin and very successfully. However, it isn’t the most ethical type admittedly.
Have you tried lenzetto?
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Sorry to read the posts which I can totally recognise, it’s so darn hard to find balance!
Nik was it your booster that upset hormones? My first vaccine threw all into disarray, still not back yet to where I was, as was increased with awful effects and now coming down is difficult and has to be at snails pace!
Kathleen can I ask what your levels of Estrogen are please? Are you very post Meno?
Hi Sweettooth
I’ve been the same with all three vaccines. I’ve had to cut my oestrogen down.
I actually had a proper period after my second vaccine after not having one for two years x
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Yes Nas tried estrogel, Sandrena, Lenzetto, everol and Estradot, zumenon, Femoston and elleste, now the implant.
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Gosh Floo, what a nightmare for you. It’s awful this isn’t it?
I’ve got severe bladder irritation since coming off Hrt. I’m going to have to get oestrogen into me somehow. Even vagifem and Ovestin isn’t cutting it. So had enough now.
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I’m the same Nas, daily vagifem doesn’t do it so I’ve got blissel gel to try but instead of adding it to the vagifem they said to swap it, not sure but I will try it, I think I need both.
Let’s see what the next week brings, it’s my birthday tomorrow just hope I get a little bit of an up.
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Awww Happy Birthday for tomorrow Floo 🌸🌸🍾
I hope you can enjoy your day x
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Thanks Nas x
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😊🎂🍰🌹
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Hi Nik,
sorry you had reactions. I’m interested to know how you knew to reduce your estrogen or why you had to? I can’t get settled again it’s so frustrating x
Happy Birthday floo I hope you can enjoy your day x
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Hi Nik,
sorry you had reactions. I’m interested to know how you knew to reduce your estrogen or why you had to? I can’t get settled again it’s so frustrating x
Happy Birthday floo I hope you can enjoy your day x
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Increasing the oestrogen was making me worse - I felt wired - so decided to cut down and when I did I started to feel better. I’m very sensitive to any change in my hormones.
It’s such a pain when you think you’ve cracked it and end up back ti square one x
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Hi Nik
I’m exact same!! After vaccine was increased it was awful!! Wired then really low, now having to reduce and all that comes with that until I reach some balance again.
Are you peri or post? I’m post x
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Apologies I rem you are post as you had a period after 2 years!!
How do you sort your dose please? and do you give it time between changes, I know I have to as crazy sensitive to any change…..patience🙄
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Hi Sweetooth
Yes I did have a period. I knew I was going to as I suffered painful ovulation when I had periods.
I think I’m post - been on HRT for three years so not sure.
I have a 75 patch and usually add gel. I think I’m going to drop the extra gel tomorrow though as it has been a week and I feel no better. I find 5-7 days and I see a difference or not. Might even have to cut a bit off the patch?
Patience?! What’s that ha ha
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Nik that word ‘patience’ is getting on my nerves😡 Us women have well and truly worn that T shirt to threads!!
I find reductions or increases don’t really steady for me until about 3 to 4 weeks and some. You probably have some estrogen of your own to cushion the blow if you still have your ovaries??
I reduced hugely all at once a while back and the effects were horrendous, talk about learning a lesson!
I still have a tiny bit to drop but not until im more stable from my recent drop.
Let me know how you get on plz x
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Does anyone with estrogen dominance suffer immediately after a period??? My symptoms are awful from day 2 of a bleed.
I say estrogen dominance as I'm not high estrogen, but I'm low prog. In peri.
Trialling progesterone. But the wait fir me to get going is awful. Feel sick, dizzy, woozy, ears full. Loss of appetite. Low. This is my 5th year now.
Trialled all different pills. They take the edge off this but give me lots of side affects.
Anyone else????