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Title: PPE 'not fit for purpose' (Covid Winter 2021 into 2022)
Post by: CLKD on October 20, 2021, 12:38:51 PM
Stage B hasn't arrived.  Yet.  Instead of getting ahead of the game, they are deciding to wait  >:( and watch  >:( despite cases rising.  Surprisingly not many are wearing masks and no longer keeping distances in shops, public transport etc.. 

It will race through schools until everyone has either gone down with the Virus/not.  If people are sensible and realising that many goods are stuck at Felixstowe so no point going to look in shops, they will be doing everyone a big favour.

It's all about not 'overwhelming' the NHS.  We know that there is a shortage of GPs and Nurses but that isn't a new situation.  Our surgery is down to 1 and a half GPs  :-\.  Until Covid we could get an appt within 1.5 days.  Now it's 2 weeks to get a phone call. 



Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: sheila99 on October 20, 2021, 12:49:49 PM
They let the genie out of the bottle months ago when they told us it was all over. Can't see many people obeying if they're told to use masks again.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: Ju Ju on October 20, 2021, 12:54:43 PM
I shall carry on as I have throughout this pandemic, being careful, wearing a mask in public, washing hands, keeping distance and only going to the shops at quiet times. I’ve become good at armchair shopping! However, I’m retired and live on the edge of a village with plenty of options for walks. I have choices. Others don’t. They have to use public transport, go to work etc. It’s worrying. They say that mask wearing helps, so why have we been told it’s not mandatory any more?
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: jillydoll on October 20, 2021, 01:26:32 PM
They’re watching the situation apparently.
Wearing masks MIGHT become mandatory. MIGHT.

I still wear mine everywhere I go, and will continue too.

Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on October 20, 2021, 01:49:41 PM
I'm not the single person then who thinks that horse after stable door has been opened  :-\ .......... I love my masks, I co-ordinated yesterday: dark colour polo-neck jumper and dark jeans, bright mustard-coloured Gillet (there's posh  ;D) with a yellow mask with black bees on it.  No one seemed to notice though  >:(  :-X

Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: jillydoll on October 20, 2021, 07:52:27 PM
Your turning french CLKD.
Get you in your GILLET.  ;D

Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on October 20, 2021, 08:24:17 PM
Whoops - I thought we left Europe  :D
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: Joaniepat on October 20, 2021, 10:10:38 PM
Your turning french CLKD.
Get you in your GILLET.  ;D
I thought CLKD's outfit sounded tres chic, actually!  ;D
JP x
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on October 21, 2021, 06:28:16 AM
 ;D.  :thankyou:
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: sheila99 on October 21, 2021, 10:22:07 AM
Whoops - I thought we left Europe  :D
Nope. Might be nice if we moved a bit closer to Australia but we don't seem to have moved at all  :)
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: C.C. on October 21, 2021, 04:22:53 PM
Starting tomorrow, anyone in the province going to indoor venues like indoor dining at restaurants, including  food courts in malls, hair salons, movie theatres, sporting events etc. has to show proof of vaccination by a printed enhanced certificate or show a QR code on your phone.  We still have to wear masks, but sports arenas and restaurants etc. will soon go to full capacity indoors. Things are opening up a bit more this month but we are still to follow the masking, sanitizing and distancing. I still need to be masked at all times at work because the kids I work with are not vaccinated.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on October 21, 2021, 06:37:25 PM
I don't have a mobile appropriate to any updated vaccine information  :-\.  I think that printed passports would cover where ever people want to go/visit/fly/get home ..... along with masks when seated with strangers.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: littleminnie on October 22, 2021, 11:27:04 AM
What phone do you have CLKD?
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on October 22, 2021, 11:56:55 AM
Land line  ;D and very old mobile, don't even know the name of it  ::).  Used for texting.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: littleminnie on October 22, 2021, 05:10:06 PM
Treat yourself to a new one?  Love my phone.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on October 22, 2021, 06:13:12 PM
I don't require a new one.   :-\. It does what I need it to do: switches on/off, I can send texts and occasionally someone might phone me.  Usually I don't recognise the ring tone  ;D
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: Taz2 on October 23, 2021, 01:22:04 PM
Treat yourself to a new one?  Love my phone.

Me too! I use it for so much. Just got a new one as I burnt the screen out on the last one  ;D. Particularly love being able to use WhatsApp for free phone calls to my friends in New Zealand and France. Google Maps app too is my friend!  :)
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on October 23, 2021, 01:25:11 PM
All those old phones go where exactly  :-\.  All those precious metals inside, especially gold  :o can be reclaimed, by whom though?  We take all our computers etc. apart and take the gold to our dealer when it weighs enough.

Apparently there is yet another mutant virus doing the rounds?  Hype to get us to have vaccines ?  or reality  :-\
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: Taz2 on October 23, 2021, 01:38:24 PM
The old phones are recycled. Waste recycling centres have bins for them or various charities accept them. All reusable parts are extracted. You can also sell even old phones via sites such as .usic Magpie. I only got £10 for mine though due to the screen. Maybe a new thread  :)
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: littleminnie on October 23, 2021, 02:45:40 PM
You can also donate them to charity, certain charities have envelopes for you to send them.

Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: littleminnie on October 23, 2021, 02:47:52 PM
Treat yourself to a new one?  Love my phone.

Me too! I use it for so much. Just got a new one as I burnt the screen out on the last one  ;D. Particularly love being able to use WhatsApp for free phone calls to my friends in New Zealand and France. Google Maps app too is my friend!  :)

Love WhatsApp. I have several WhatsApp groups.  Also love google maps, never use the sat nav anymore.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on October 23, 2021, 03:25:42 PM
Did start a new thread

Will we be called for C-19 boosters as we were for the original two jabs?
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: Taz2 on October 23, 2021, 04:21:59 PM
Yes but not until it's 6 months since your last covid vaccination. When you get to that date I think you can also book it yourself online.

Taz
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on October 24, 2021, 07:52:51 AM
 :thankyou:
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on November 26, 2021, 01:27:19 PM
So: another variant in S Africa so flights are suspended - people are needing to isolate and take regular tests once they land here .  That'll mess C.mas/New Year for many.

We should get our boosters at a walk-in centre tomorrow - weather allowing.  4cast is dire  :(
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: C.C. on November 26, 2021, 02:54:43 PM
I heard about the new variant this morning, it's supposed to be more transmissible and vaccine tolerant?

The 5 to11-year-olds are now permitted to get their 1st shot here. 
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on November 26, 2021, 02:55:21 PM
It's been known for 4/5 days in S Africa.  I don't suppose the UK will close her borders completely ..........  >:(
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: littleminnie on November 26, 2021, 06:21:56 PM
It’s in jo’berg apparently at the moment so hopefully they can contain it.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on November 26, 2021, 06:22:18 PM
1st case in Belgium. 
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: Aprilflower on November 26, 2021, 06:55:39 PM
1st case in Belgium.

Yes, unvaccinated woman who had a very mild case and did not pass it on to family members.

Bad case of media hysteria though.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on November 26, 2021, 07:47:24 PM
It will be a while B4 it is known who she passed it on to .......... no one really seems to be certain about the incubation period.  Which is why masks are essential.  I've noticed that I spit when talking excitedly  >:(  :-X   :-[ .........

I think that we should all consider keeping a wider distance again.  I can see lockdown happening. 
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: Aprilflower on November 27, 2021, 11:37:07 AM
I'm chilled.  I'll go with the below until and if we know different.

BBC News - Covid: New Omicron variant not a disaster, says Sage scientist
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59442141
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on November 27, 2021, 11:55:27 AM
I haven't trusted SAGE for years.    I tend to waft over the BBC too.  What we don't get told enough is about those on the front line who are seeing the immediate effects.

I've been for my booster  8)
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: littleminnie on November 27, 2021, 06:05:51 PM
Masks are back
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on November 27, 2021, 08:04:46 PM
Good ! 
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: littleminnie on November 28, 2021, 09:52:45 AM
It’s not looking good for the travel industry. 
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on November 28, 2021, 10:46:16 AM
Hopefully the entertainments industry won't be as badly affected this time.  Theatres and restaurants are on their knees in some towns  :'(

My arm kept me awake when I turned over  :D.  Better now that I've been cleaning the kitchen, gently movement has eased any bruising underneath.  Slight headache so will take 2 'nurofen' with my cuppa this morning. 
Title: GPs and Jabs - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 04, 2021, 03:44:09 PM
Now GPs are agreeing to being paid for health checks which they no longer have to carry out on the over 75s as well as agreeing to being paid per C-19 jab to help with the backlog  >:(.  Why can't GPs do what they are paid to do, that is look after local people who may require advice?  There are plenty of vaccinators i.e. retired GPs, Nurses, Health visitors queueing up to give jabs, but can't get into a centre due to paper work  >:(

Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 17, 2021, 04:52:20 PM
It's a nuisance for those needing to spend C.mas/New Year alone due to the virus; however - there's been acute sadness in the News in recent weeks so we should all take a deep breath and be thankful.   Two sets of twins, died as the result of a fire ........ those two beautiful babies killed by adults who should have known better  :'( and with Russia sabre-rattling on the Ukraine borders and the Internation Red Cross busy in Afghanistan ......... in the cold, snow, dry air; no blankets, food, heating.   :'(

Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: littleminnie on December 18, 2021, 08:30:37 AM
27 December new rules will come in.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 18, 2021, 09:17:02 AM
Any idea where and what ?  It's the service trades that I feel sorry for  :'(
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: littleminnie on December 18, 2021, 01:01:12 PM
Outdoor service at pubs and restaurants is all I’ve heard
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 18, 2021, 02:53:04 PM
That's mean if that is implemented.  I can see many people in the service industry becoming depressed ..........  :'(
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 18, 2021, 03:31:21 PM
The vast majority of a hospital's Covid patients in recent months have been unvaccinated, its boss has said.

Dr Ewen Cameron, of Addenbrooke's Hospital, Cambridge, said: "About 80% of patients we've seen over the last few months in general wards and critical care have been unvaccinated."

He said the deaths of unvaccinated patients were particularly tragic since they were usually avoidable.

On Thursday, 35 patients had Covid, six of whom were in critical care.

Dr Cameron, chief operating officer for Cambridge University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, said that of these patients, most were sick with the virus itself, while a small number were in for other reasons and "incidentally" had Covid.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: littleminnie on December 19, 2021, 01:24:51 PM
Heard of 4 people I know who has tested positive, not all from the same family.. it’s spreading like wildfire
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 19, 2021, 02:08:21 PM
How does 1 test +ive for Omicron, is it confirmed by other methods? 
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: littleminnie on December 19, 2021, 05:56:43 PM
You just get a positive test result.  The lab knows which strain it is, not sure whether they tell you or not. 
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 19, 2021, 06:42:34 PM
I would ask  ;D

My friend wasn't told.   :-\ I think that she is too shocked to have become infected.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: littleminnie on December 20, 2021, 08:55:22 AM
There’s nobody to ask.  You get a text.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 20, 2021, 09:49:42 AM
So did the Alpha and Beta strains get overwhelmed by the next in line .......... it's a bit beyond me especially this early in the day  ::)
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: jillydoll on December 20, 2021, 09:51:20 AM
Someone said the other day were fighting both, delta AND omicron strains now. 🤷🏼‍♀️
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 20, 2021, 09:52:26 AM
Morning jillydoll - even more confused now  ::)
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: Aprilflower on December 20, 2021, 09:58:31 AM
Previous new variants gradually become dominant.  No reason not to expect this to happen with this one.  Certainly top dog in London now.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 20, 2021, 01:07:01 PM
Yep.  If we can kill it off with vaccines ........ as we did with smallpox.  However, it is what it is.  It's out there.  Probably better to get it into the populous as one would do with chickenpox - anyone remember parties so that the kids had it 'all at one time'?  Lasted 3-5 weeks ...........

Unsustainable pressure on the NHS - same old. Same old.  I wonder if people who test positive but have no symptoms should continue working?  When does it actually get spread, in the 1st few hours/days/weeks .........
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: C.C. on December 20, 2021, 02:06:37 PM
Most people I have talked to in the last couple of weeks are convinced that we will all get Omicron at some point and hopefully that will be the beginning of the end, as it were.   Starting today,  booking for the booster is available for anyone 18 and over.   I'm due to go Jan.19th.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 20, 2021, 03:45:30 PM
It is thought that the virus will mutate low enough for it to be 'normal 'flu' ......... how long that will take?
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: Katejo on December 20, 2021, 08:46:36 PM
You just get a positive test result.  The lab knows which strain it is, not sure whether they tell you or not.
  They don't find out the strain/variant for about another 4 or 5 days and we don't get any update on this. At least I didn't. I am pretty sure mine was Omicron though.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: Two hoots on December 21, 2021, 01:10:44 PM
In Wales sports must be without supporters watching from 26th :-X doesnt make sense, you can watch it inside in a pub on tv but not in the open air.

You can go and sit inside and watch a panto but not sit outside and watch football, no logic  :'(

Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: Aprilflower on December 21, 2021, 01:46:42 PM
I would say they've lost the plot, but that implies that at some point they knew what they were doing.🙄
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 21, 2021, 03:06:28 PM
 :rofl: :bighug:  love it April - I've said that from about, February 2020.    ::)

Too many people giving too much information about very little. 

I can't understand why Wales doesn't shut down now.  Boxing Day is another week away and I doubt if people will keep sensible distances  :-\.  All or nowt to make a fire break of 3 weeks might work?

Anyone know of anyone with seasonal 'flu? or a cold ?
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: C.C. on December 21, 2021, 03:53:15 PM
I won't be surprised if we go into a lockdown after Christmas, but there hasn't been any talk of that...yet. It's a wait and see approach here.

I don't know of anyone who has had the flu or a cold in the last year.  The masks and the hand hygiene has limited those illnesses.
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 21, 2021, 04:25:57 PM
A few weeks ago it was reported in the UK Press that the 'current cold' is really bad.  Probably because we haven't the same immunity?  There's certainly a shortage of kleenex!
Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: Two hoots on December 21, 2021, 04:54:59 PM
Me, ive had a cold for a week, lots of people in this area have it, first cold for a few years  :-\




Title: Re: Covid - 19 - Winter 2021
Post by: CLKD on December 21, 2021, 05:01:15 PM
Does 1 know the difference though  ::)
Title: Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: CLKD on December 31, 2021, 05:26:58 PM
Apparently Scotland has recorded 5,000 less positives in the last 24 hours :-))).  Bet that doesn't make the national headlines! *

Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: CLKD on January 05, 2022, 04:45:55 PM
Tennis player Novak Djokovic is set to play in the Australian Open, after being exempted from vaccination rules.

All players and staff at the tournament must be vaccinated or have an exemption granted by an expert independent panel.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said if the player's evidence was insufficient he would be on the "next plane home".
hopefully, on his way out as quickly as he landed ? 
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: Aprilflower on January 05, 2022, 05:53:24 PM
He was quite prepared not to go, it's the Australians that changed their minds. 

He's sticking by his principles but not so the Australians.
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: CLKD on January 05, 2022, 06:08:58 PM
* it didn't !

If he was prepared not to attend, why did he travel ............. which point is he trying to make? 
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: Aprilflower on January 05, 2022, 06:17:29 PM
He was prepared not to go all the while he was banned from entry, then they changed their minds so he went.  Now they are not sure again.

If they send him home they should pay for his flight.  It's not his fault they can't make their minds up.  Crazy.
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: CLKD on January 05, 2022, 06:27:32 PM
He should pay his own fare.  He knew that he was unlikely to be allowed into Australia even if the Tennis Association changed their minds, he simply won't give his vaccination status to the organisers which he is required to do B4 being allowed to compete.  This Rule hasn't altered across the World since Covid began. 

Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: Aprilflower on January 05, 2022, 07:21:34 PM
We are going to have to disagree on this.

He was told he could go and issued with a visa.  If they make a rule they should stick to it.  It's like the Christmas party mess all over again.
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: getting_old on January 07, 2022, 09:18:18 PM
it appears Flurona is a thing. Can't remember where I saw it now but they are saying people are getting both covid and the flu at the same time, aka Flurona. Can't even begin to imagine how horrible that could be  :(
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: Aprilflower on January 07, 2022, 09:31:25 PM
That's going to be very rare.  It would mean catching the two viruses at the same time.

Fortunately, because they are from different virus families, they cannot combine. 
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: sheila99 on January 08, 2022, 12:13:28 AM
I think Djokovic was wrongly advised. It seems Victoria allows in those who are unvaccinated but have recently had covid. The national government says everyone should be vaccinated and their view overrides state rules. I don't think they can apply the law to Joe public but not to the rich and famous. And I'm sure he is better able to pay his air fare than the Australian public who would otherwise foot the bill. Court case tomorrow so we'll see who wins.
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: CLKD on January 08, 2022, 10:20:08 AM
?? Your guess might be sheila ?? - bet you a new born lamb against a heat lamp?  He also had the bread test to ascertain allergies - holding a slice of bread in his left hand and putting his right arm out, the therapist pushed down his right arm and told him that he was gluten intolerant  ::).  Regardless of his beliefs, he is entering a country with rules.  If in Rome etc.?  No one should be exempt from the Rules of the State/Country they wish to enter. 

I wonder how true 'flurona' might be?  I've had the snuffles for 2 days - could be an allergy as I haven't run the shark around (and B4 anyone phones the RSPCA, he's quite a happy shark) ; sudden warm then cold weather; a cold.  I can't understand how, if we are wearing masks, anyone catches anything at all!
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: Aprilflower on January 08, 2022, 06:42:02 PM
Exclusive by The Times.  Free LFTs are to end,  only to be available free for high risk facilities such as care homes. 

No idea when this is to happen though.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/end-of-free-lateral-flow-tests-as-country-told-to-live-with-covid-3bpz8lnqf?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&s=09#Echobox=1641665562
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: CLKD on January 08, 2022, 08:09:34 PM
We can't go on subsidising free kits ........ this whole debacle has to be paid for eventually, probably via higher taxation.

I wonder how many season flu sufferers there are right now  :-\
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: sheila99 on January 08, 2022, 10:21:20 PM
Higher taxes are already on the way but I expect our children will still be paying for it for years to come. I suppose the end of free LFTs had to come. Private ones are about £15 each, presumably these are a bit cheaper but we're still using loads of them.
  My guess is that they don't let him in CLKD. Whether I'm right or wrong I'll sit under the heat lamp 8)  and go to sleep, you can have all the lambs that are still inside the ewes - 2am, big lamb, leg back, the back of my hand is a pretty shade of black and blue - and that was just the first night  :-\.
  What is happening to the hats? Yesterday I had 2 hats, now there are 10.
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: CLKD on January 09, 2022, 08:53:33 AM
 8). Minusminnie

And they all go into land fill!  infected or not.  There should have been a collection box for each household to dispose of clinical waste.
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: sheila99 on January 09, 2022, 11:29:36 AM
They were taking their hats off to you Sheila.
;D
They have all taken their hats off today. Xmas must be over.
Title: Re: Covid Winter 2021 into 2022
Post by: CLKD on January 09, 2022, 12:37:28 PM
PHEW!   :D   oh no they haven't  :o
Title: PPE destroyed ( Covid Winter 2021 into 2022 )
Post by: CLKD on February 02, 2022, 09:16:58 AM
Cabinet minister Michael Gove has been defending the government's record on PPE purchases, following the news that billions spent on protective equipment has been written off.

He tells BBC Radio 4's Today programme the purchases were made when there was a "global race to secure PPE" at the height of the pandemic, with protests across Europe from doctors who were lacking protective equipment.

"We did everything we could to supply that equipment" he says, adding that 97% of the PPE was "fit for purpose".

The levelling-up secretary says there's been a "mark down" on items the government secured, because equipment was bought at the height of the crisis is now worth less.

But Gove says there are "always lessons to be learnt" about procurement – and the government is bringing forward a bill to make sure money is spent more efficiently in future.


Why was there a 'shortage' .......... PPE doesn't go off.  It doesn't have a shelf life.  We were in a State of Emergency and now apparently, some wasn't fit for purpose.  U really couldn't write it!