Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Flan747 on August 10, 2021, 05:26:39 AM
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I’ve been trying thinner HRT right for over 2 years now! I’m now in 6 pumps Oestrogel( I’m a poor absorber) since increasing to 6 pumps I can feel some positives But I am now having disturbed sleep and waking with palpitations! I’m currently doing 3 pumps AM and PM! Would it be worth changing that around? Does anyone apply more at a certain time ?
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Hi Flan, yeah I found that using the gel at night (I'm on three pumps), even with the Utrogestan, made me really wired and increased my pulse rate, and affected my sleep (what sleep I was getting that is). Switched to gel in the a.m. and that sorted it. As you are on six pumps (wow, can't they find you another way of getting the oestrogen you need?) you'll be pushed to find enough places all at once to put it on, maybe try splitting it during the morning? Maybe try out not using at night and see what happens, then take it from there? Best of luck xxx
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Thank you Lamplighter! Didn’t absorb the patches and the tablet form gave me terrible stomach issues which I just couldn’t handle! My idea was to try 4 AM and 2 PM to see if that helped🤞
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Hi Flan
When I was on gel, I used to apply it all in the morning, as I found it energized me. Maybe apply at night, 2 inner thighs, 2 outer thighs and two buttocks or outer arms?
Agree with Lamp ,that’s a fair whack of gel! Can they switch you over to spray or patch for ease?
Good luck 👍
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Sorry, just seen you didn’t absorb patches.
Lenzetto is meant to be good? Spray and go. One spray so the equivalent of two pumps I think.
Xx
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Thank you Nas! I do inner thighs and outer arms I hadn’t thought of anywhere else if I’m honest! I have a Newson clinic appt in the 3rd September so maybe the spray will be an option although I’m happy applying the gel if it makes me feel human again(which I’m not at the moment) getting bloods done as a marker before my appt to find out absorption
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😄 great minds think alike! I’ve been reading up in the spray but didn’t appear that many are actually on it
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P.s I meant apply in the mornings!
Don’t think I’m absorbing much either, given my brain hardly works the days! 🤞
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Do you think I could apply 6 AM?
My brain fog is embarrassing now sometimes I can’t get my words out! Thinking maybe I could try testosterone soon?
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Well the spray is interesting. It’s been around while now, but not all areas have it on the list to prescribe.
I’m under Chelsea and Westminster and they say it’s not that marvelous and a weaker strength compared to the two gels.
Paula Briggs however ( excellent specialist in Liverpool) says women are reporting great results and it’s a very easy and quick way to get
Oestrogen into the body. So who knows!
It’s so hard when you need more than the licensed dose, in the same.
Xx
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When your Oestrogen is at optimum level, ask for testosterone yes.
If you use testosterone before then, the body will just convert it to Oestrogen and you won’t feel the benefit of the testosterone ( if that makes sense)
Definitely experiment with applying the gel at different times and parts of the body, as it can make all the difference!
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Thank you so much Naz definitely going to change the application! I’ve applied 3 this morning so maybe apply 2 PM and start tomorrow 4 and 2? Is that what you would do ?
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Yes I think it’s worth experimenting with the times and parts of body, as I think some parts absorb better than others.
When you know what your Oestrogen levels are, maybe ask for testosterone. It’s meant to help improve libido, cognitive function, sleep etc, as we lose that hormone during meno too.
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Ok thank you will keep you posted 🤞
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Flan747
I have just swopped from Oestrogel (on it for over 20 years) to Lenzetto and I love it. The Menopause consultant said that Lenzetto is much better absorbed than Oestrogel. Also Oestrogel formula changed a while back and it made me feel very jittery and unwell as apparently it does not absorb so well and my Oestrogen level blood test proved it as it was very low. She said a lot of her patients had noticed Oestrogel was not working so well and she has changed them onto Lenzetto now xx
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Pippa, that’s interesting re: the lenzetto, as Chelsea and Westminster whom I am under, don’t seem to rate it. They say it’s weaker than the gel. Personally I hated the pump gel, it made me wired, sick and dizzy. If I can’t get more symptom relief on the next dose patch later on, I will be requesting lenzetto privately.
:)
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Hi Naz I too get a sicky feeling on a daily basis and have had vertigo (maybe not related to HRT) it’s never ending!!
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When I was on 4 pumps a day I was getting palpitations, too! I read often on this forum that palpitations are low estrogen but for me I get them with high estrogen (as well as low). My resting heart rate increases with increased dosage. Turns out I feel better on a low dose. Curious about Lenzetto now; I wonder if I can get that in Canada.
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So confusing isn’t it? Maybe I need lower estrogen I just don’t know! I need to stick to 6 until my appt (if I can!) I get so worried that my other symptoms will return if I go lower?
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That’s weird flan, as I get the vertigo etc on the gel too! I can’t stand the stuff personally but I get that it works well for lots of women.
You are under the Newson clinic. Just to say, I’ve heard of lots of women who are under that clinic who are also lots of gel and it hasn’t always been a good thing. But everyone is different obviously.
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Hi Naz! It’s my first appt so obviously very nervous about it! Can I ask what you are using ?
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Yes im on the evorel patch and utrogestan. I was on gel prior to that, but as mentioned earlier, it made me feel very jittery and wired, so I stopped.
Good luck for the 3rd 🤞🤞
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Thank you Nas! Well post again!
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So I know it was only one night but I had an awful night, very restless, spinning head and very hot(I do not get night sweats) will try 4 pumps this morning and and hope that settles things for a better night tonight! I sometimes feel like doing a reset and starting again
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Oh dear, poor you.
Do you definitely think you need the 6 pumps?
Too much O can be as bad as not enough I was told by specialist.
It’s a fine juggling act I’ve decided.
My issue is early waking!
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Hi Nas my thoughts exactly! My problem at the minute is the appt I’ve waited so long for! It’s another 3 weeks which will be wasted time as this isn’t working but if I start messing about now with the doses they won’t be able to help as much! Like I said I have applied 4 this morning so may go for just one tonight????
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Yes I hear what you are saying, but didn’t want to confuse the issue further for you. Think your best bet is to stick with the dose you have been on and let Newson clinic guide you on the next steps.
My guess would be, if 6 pumps doesn’t do the trick, lenzetto or more gel?
Xx
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I did the reset and started again. It’s not a bad idea.
I went about 6 weeks without anything. Then reintroduced estrogel a half pump at a time. When I got another Mirena last fall, that mixed things up a bit but I was honestly surprised that I feel better on a lot less gel than people say I ought to (and I bought into the idea that as I’m young, I need more). In hindsight, I think that while my ovaries are definitely on their way out (several high FSH tests), they are having a heck of a send off party.
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It’s definitely something I’m thinking of doing! It seems never ending list of problems and not loving life when I have really good life if that makes sense !
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Very interested to read that other people have had palpitations on the gel as I used to get them a lot but I have not had a single one since changing to Lenzetto x
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I did have a few months where they went away but now back! Wondering is it too much estrogen now but like I’ve said previous I really need to keep it the same for my appt! Very interesting about the Lenzetto though !