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Title: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: menopausalalways on December 03, 2020, 12:53:46 PM
HELLO!!
Anyone tried VERTIGon for lightheadedness and Nausea?
Thanks for reading
Angie
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 03, 2020, 02:29:00 PM
Hi,no, I always use the travel sickness tablets....stugeron  :)
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: menopausalalways on December 03, 2020, 02:36:10 PM
Does Stugeron help with Dizziness?
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 03, 2020, 03:22:18 PM
Hi menopausealways, yes Stugeron helps with dizziness, IF what's causing dizziness are inner ear vestibular issues.
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 03, 2020, 04:55:52 PM
Yep, I was prescribed it for continual dizziness,helped within a day or two
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 03, 2020, 06:00:55 PM
Glad to hear it works well for you. Do you have any side effects? I don't have dizziness but tinnitus is killing me 😕
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 03, 2020, 06:53:55 PM
No side effects,been using it on and off for years  :)
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 03, 2020, 08:27:05 PM
Brilliant, maybe I'll consider trying it for tinnitus. Thanks a lot  :)
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 04, 2020, 08:55:20 AM
If you use it,don't use the instructions for travel sickness,if you look at the leaflet inside the dosage is 2 tabs 3 times a day  :)
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 04, 2020, 09:18:33 AM
Do you take fewer than 2-3 a day for dizziness then Jaypo?  And for how many days is it safe to take them, do you know please?
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Kathleen on December 04, 2020, 10:22:39 AM
Hello ladies.

I had dizziness from Labyrinthitis recently and I was given Stemetil tablets to take  3 x daily. These may be prescription only but I thought it was worth a mention.

Take care everyone.

K.
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 04, 2020, 10:36:55 AM
I was prescribed them for a week at that dosage but yes,you can take less but how effective they'd be I'm not sure.
I used to be prescribed stemitil and was on them long term but a dr then stopped prescribing them as they are linked to Parkinson's BUT ⬅️(big but😆) that's long term use
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 04, 2020, 09:05:03 PM
Actually all these vertigo drugs can cause a symptom that resembles Parkinson's disease but it's actually something called extrapyramidal symptoms. Unlike true Parkinson's, once you stop the drugs the symptoms subside. And they only occur with long term use of the drugs. That's why doctors prescribe them now for short term use (2-3 months).
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 05, 2020, 11:35:40 AM
Jaypo
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If you use it,don't use the instructions for travel sickness,if you look at the leaflet inside the dosage is 2 tabs 3 times a day 
- I thought this meant the dose for travel sickness on the leaflet inside is 2-3 times a day but that you were saying to take a different dose for dizziness?!  Sorry - bad case of meno brain  ::)  I couldn't see anything on the PIL about using it for dizziness.

Kathleen - thanks for the info about Stemetil.  Stugeron works for me for travel sickness when other drugs don't, but I'd never tried it for dizziness, though before this thread was started, coincidentally I'd bought a new pack intending to try it for that (to prevent the dizziness progressing to nausea etc).
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 05, 2020, 11:49:36 AM
Hi haha don't worry probably me not explaining correctly (my meno brain ;D )
I think the dose for travel sickness is written on the actual box but the dr prescribed me the higher dose of 2 tabs 3 times daily,I'm sure I also read it in the leaflet somewhere,oh god,I'm doubting myself now  ;D
Thanks for that uptick,I'd been taking stemitil FOR YEARS wasn't til I moved down here to Wiltshire the dr said no more on repeat prescription but didn't say why,then when I asked another dr it was him that said about the Parkinson's,can't believe I was prescribed it for so long with no questions asked before  :o
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: CLKD on December 05, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
Don't worry jaypo, it's probably a recent connection and as pointed out, the symptoms of Parkinson's eases .  U didn't have the shakes normally did U ?  ;)

Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 05, 2020, 11:52:45 AM
Only if I haven't had my wine  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: CLKD on December 05, 2020, 11:53:39 AM
PHEW  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 05, 2020, 02:06:40 PM
Jaypo, don't worry - it's me not reading your post correctly either  ;D

OK, so I have the PIL in front of me & it says "Adults . . . Take 2 tablets two hours before travelling and 1 tablet every 8 hours during the journey".  Box says the same. 
But that's for travel sickness, so knowing you were prescribed 2 tabs 3 times daily for dizziness is helpful!  Thanks  :).  Meno brain can now compute   ::)  But don't ask me to do long division  ;D

I'd put it down to being a dizzy blond, but when I put my specs on, turns out that apparition of my little grey granny I keep seeing everywhere, is me.  Short-sightedness: nature's way of softening the blow of middle age  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: CLKD on December 05, 2020, 02:13:38 PM
It's that woman staring back from shop windows that shocks me  :o  :o

I have used 'Kwells' successfully 2 ease anxiety surges as well as numbing me whilst travelling.  It is sleep inducing though. I don't think it matters short term.
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 05, 2020, 04:10:49 PM
Haha wrensong,you are literally a dizzy blonde/gray  ;D
Ok, I don't want anyone to just take my word re the dosage, I could've sworn it was SOMEWHERE in the PIL but,if you look it up on the nhs site,it tells you there that for vertigo it is 2 tabs 3 times daily,flippin eck,thought I was going mad (er) for a mo  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 05, 2020, 04:52:27 PM
Oh Jaypo - what are you doing to me girl?   ;D  You've just had me reading the PIL right through again to be sure there's no ref to using Stugeron for dizziness  ::) ;D.  There isn't!  But I checked the website as you suggested  ;D so I don't inadvertently kill myself taking too much of the stuff https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/cinnarizine/
& seems you do know what you're talking about ;)  ;D  Gold star for you!  These are the relevant bits:-

"It's used for:

travel sickness (also called motion sickness)
dizziness and sickness caused by inner ear problems (such as vertigo, tinnitus and Ménière's disease)
It also comes mixed with dimenhydrinate (another antihistamine) to treat vertigo.


For travel sickness

Adults and children aged 12 years or older – take 2 tablets 2 hours before travel, then 1 tablet every 8 hours during the journey if needed.

Children aged 5 to 11 years – give 1 tablet 2 hours before travel, then half a tablet every 8 hours during the journey if needed.

For dizziness and sickness caused by inner ear problems

Adults and children aged 12 years or older – the usual dose is 2 tablets, taken 3 times a day.


Children aged 5 to 11 years – the usual dose is 1 tablet, taken 3 times a day."

Can I ask was it straight Cinnarizine you were prescribed or the one combined with Dimenhydrinate they mentioned here?
Wx
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 05, 2020, 04:54:29 PM
Info from emc website:

SmPC

Vestibular symptoms

Adults, elderly and children over 12 years: 2 tablets three times a day.

Children 5 to 12 years: One half the adult dose.

PIL

Stugeron tablets are used:
• to control motion sickness
• for problems with balance (such as Ménières disease) to treat symptoms
of:
feeling dizzy or lightheaded
• ringing in the ears
• feeling sick (nausea) and being sick (vomiting)

For problems with balance
Adults and children over 12 years old:
• 2 tablets 3 times a day

Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 05, 2020, 04:55:57 PM
Wrensong, you're fast.  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 05, 2020, 04:59:44 PM
Uptick  ;D.

Was that the online PIL you quoted?  The one in the box with my new pack of Stugeron says nothing about dizziness!  Honest  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: CLKD on December 05, 2020, 05:01:30 PM
It is used by GPs though for dizziness.  Anything must be better than vertigo  :-\.  Apart from gin  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 05, 2020, 05:02:55 PM
Uptick  ;D.

Was that the online PIL you quoted?  The one in the box with my new pack of Stugeron says nothing about dizziness!  Honest  ;D

Yes, first bit is from SmPC, last bit from PIL. It has been updated on emc 20 May 2020.
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 05, 2020, 05:07:40 PM
And before you say I'm on the gin  ;D Here's the link

https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/files/pil.1529.pdf
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 05, 2020, 05:10:07 PM
Aha!  Thanks Uptick.  This explains the discrepancy: the PIL in my new box of Stugeron (expiry date 12-2022) says "leaflet updated Nov 2019".  Between us all we got there in the end  ;D

Pass the gin  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 05, 2020, 05:18:04 PM
 :drunk: ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 05, 2020, 05:24:52 PM
And before menopausalalways thinks we haven't invited her to the party, here's some info on the active ingredient of Vertigon

https://cks.nice.org.uk/topics/menieres-disease/prescribing-information/promethazine-teoclate/

Let's get dizzy for a good reason now  :drunk:
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: CLKD on December 05, 2020, 05:27:56 PM
 :rofl: :drunklaf:
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 05, 2020, 05:37:47 PM
Cheers Uptick  :party09: :cancan:
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 05, 2020, 07:28:22 PM
Oh uptick I'm NOT going crazy after all wooohoooooo  ;D
Blimey,I'm sure there must be a joke about how many menopausal women does it take to read a leaflet  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 05, 2020, 07:37:35 PM
Many more than it takes to drink a bottle of gin  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 05, 2020, 08:54:52 PM
Oh Jaypo sorry  ;D  :foryou: I never doubted you'd had it for dizziness or that your GP must know it was effective for that, just that my PIL from the Stugeron box makes no mention of dizziness ::) & I wanted to know from someone who'd been prescribed it, how many could safely be taken next time I end up so dizzy I look like I've downed the entire bottle of Uptick's gin in half an hour. 

Sad thing is, I haven't had a drink for nearly 3 years ::) ;D

Thanks girls.  Great team effort  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 06, 2020, 02:57:28 PM
Maybe it's time to reconsider? :drunk:  ;D

Tell us if Stugeron works for dizziness, not that I want you to have it  ;D and remember you can't take it along with gin  ;D

Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 06, 2020, 05:03:50 PM
Haha  ;D, you spoil sport Uptick!  I think my carefree days of a lovely glass of Pinot with dinner or a nice G&T while cooking are well & truly over.  Apparently that type of bliss is not compatible with my particular version of the Menopause from Hell!  ::)

Will report back on whether the Stugeron rights the world next time I'm wondering why the hell the floor's heaving & the walls are not where they used to be :o :o :o. 

Trying a little experiment first though.  Take too long to explain & the hunch may be barking, so won't publish it here & make myself look even more of an idiot!  ;D

Meanwhile, you'll just have to finish that gin on your own.  Poor you ;D  I'm not jealous at all.
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 06, 2020, 05:16:42 PM
Hahahahaha wrensong,I didn't doubt that you doubted me ,oh goodness,where is this going  ;D but I DID get it on prescription from my GP BUT you can also buy it over the counter........awww geeze,where's the gin  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 06, 2020, 05:25:15 PM
And that Tena Lady?!

 :drunklaf:
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 06, 2020, 07:42:06 PM
Better make that the Tena pants  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 06, 2020, 08:41:03 PM
Good idea, now I can have some beer too  :drunk:
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 07, 2020, 09:25:23 AM
See Uptick's not put in an appearance yet this morning.  Bad case of the dizzies from all that gin & beer :D.
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 07, 2020, 02:29:02 PM
 ;D No wrensong,uptick is onto lager now  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 07, 2020, 03:10:57 PM
Howdidyaknow?  :drunk:
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: CLKD on December 07, 2020, 03:16:13 PM


How R the symptoms - alwaysmenopausal : as an aside?


? menopausalalways ?
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 07, 2020, 03:37:28 PM
Quite right to bring the thread back on track CLKD.  I blame that Uptick - incorrigible!  Sorry Menopausalalways, please do let us know how you are.
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 07, 2020, 03:50:09 PM
Whoa, I have posted a link to the medication she's been prescribed  :ange:
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: CLKD on December 07, 2020, 04:12:47 PM
Hopefully she's not laying prone somewhere  :-\ feeling ghastly.

I get light headed due to a nerve in the back of my neck, I move and go 'oh!' but can't locate the exact place that causes the problem.
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 07, 2020, 04:38:47 PM
Yes, we DID answer her and quite seriously too.......then it just went downhill after that as uptick is on the booze  ;D
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 07, 2020, 04:55:42 PM
I have a good excuse, coronavirus is not an alcohol lover  ;D

Sorry menopausalalways (tough to write your name when under the influence), hope you're feeling much better, I'll shut up now  :-X
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 07, 2020, 04:57:40 PM
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Whoa, I have posted a link to the medication she's been prescribed  :ange:
  So you did Uptick.  Impressive you can still multitask while on the booze.

I hope, menopausalalways, that you can can forgive us for the mayhem.  Often not much fun in menopause, so always good to seize the opportunity to make some.
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 07, 2020, 06:35:53 PM
Oowwww is that an actual fact uptick? (Runs off to get the red wine )  ;D
It's good to have a giggle,like you say wrensong,meno is poop and if we can laugh then let's do it ho ho ho   :-\ ⬅️ Although he looks a bit gloomy
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Uptick on December 07, 2020, 06:57:46 PM
 :-X
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: CLKD on December 07, 2020, 07:48:25 PM
I sent her a PM asking her to drop by  :-\ - hope she hasn't done a runner in disgust  :'(
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 07, 2020, 08:11:28 PM
Goodness CLKD - I hope there's nothing anyone would find disgusting here.
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: CLKD on December 07, 2020, 08:15:58 PM
So do I however ...........  :-\. some may be put off by our antics ? especially if they haven't been on a Forum previously.   :-\
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 07, 2020, 08:59:37 PM
Nah,she won't be offended,as uptick says we did respond with advice but she never came back on,she pm'd me to ask me something and she was ok,so no worries  ;)
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 07, 2020, 09:05:48 PM
CLKD - I do hope not.  Everyone means well here.

Thanks for that update Jaypo - good to know Menopausalalways is OK.
Wx
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: Wrensong on December 08, 2020, 10:47:56 AM
Hi menopausalalways.  A quickie to say I have sent you a PM & I hope you are OK.  Vertigo is truly horrible & you have my heartfelt sympathies.  As it's only been an intermittent issue for me past couple of years I'm only just learning about it myself so haven't posted about it here.  I had been hoping to goodness it would go away on its own, but when it strikes it's way too disruptive to ignore.  I hope you are feeling at least somewhat better.  May not be around on the forum for a while - other pressing issues IRL!  But please send me a PM if it might help to chat about it.
Wx
Title: Re: Vertigon and Lightheadedness
Post by: jaypo on December 08, 2020, 01:13:27 PM
Awww wrensong,keep in touch xx