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Title: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 11, 2020, 06:20:26 PM
Hi there, I am on day 6 of Evorel Conti patches, every day I feel really hungry and shaky like I haven’t eaten even though I am eating regularly. Wears off for a while after a meal but doesn’t take long to come back.
Has anyone else experienced this? Can’t see any mention on data sheet or google that relates this to HRT but it only started the day after first patch.
Any advice gratefully received x
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Katejo on September 11, 2020, 06:33:25 PM
Hi there, I am on day 6 of Evorel Conti patches, every day I feel really hungry and shaky like I haven’t eaten even though I am eating regularly. Wears off for a while after a meal but doesn’t take long to come back.
Has anyone else experienced this? Can’t see any mention on data sheet or google that relates this to HRT but it only started the day after first patch.
Any advice gratefully received x
  I have been on these for over a year but have never had this.How often are you changing the patch? Twice a week as I do ?
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 11, 2020, 06:34:06 PM
Yes due to put third one on tomorrow
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Taz2 on September 11, 2020, 06:49:29 PM
Yes this happened to me on conti HRT but I also used to get it during the last two weeks of my natural cycle so I put it down to the effect progesterone has on my body. It did get better after the first 6 weeks. Give it time to settle.

Taz x  :)
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 11, 2020, 06:55:32 PM
Also eat little and often ;-)
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Taz2 on September 11, 2020, 06:57:35 PM
Also eat little and often ;-)

The trouble is it makes you want to eat LOADS and often!!  ;D

Taz x
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 11, 2020, 06:58:59 PM
That shakey feeling 4 me is due to not having eaten properly.
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 11, 2020, 07:02:41 PM
Yes this happened to me on conti HRT but I also used to get it during the last two weeks of my natural cycle so I put it down to the effect progesterone has on my body. It did get better after the first 6 weeks. Give it time to settle.

Taz x  :)

Im pleased to hear it’s not just me, convinced myself I’ve got diabetes 😂 just thought it seemed really strange, expected to maybe feel sick and lack appetite but not want to eat the world!
Thanks Taz xx
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 11, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
That shakey feeling 4 me is due to not having eaten properly.

Yes I’ve had it in the past if I’ve not eaten properly, but this week I have been really good and eaten regularly and tried to eat healthy too. Maybe it’s just shock to the system and my poor old body is trying to find some strength to deal with a sudden influx of hormones 😂
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Kathleen on September 11, 2020, 07:26:44 PM
Hello Roobee.

When you say you've had this in the past when you haven't eaten properly do you mean that you hadn't eaten enough and you are still hungry? Some foods are more satisfying than others so perhaps  include plenty of fibre in your diet as that can help you to feel full.

Take care.

K.
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 11, 2020, 07:35:22 PM
Hello Roobee.

When you say you've had this in the past when you haven't eaten properly do you mean that you hadn't eaten enough and you are still hungry? Some foods are more satisfying than others so perhaps  include plenty of fibre in your diet as that can help you to feel full.

Take care.

K.

I mean on the odd occasion like I was really busy at work and didn’t get lunch till late and would get wobbly and shaky needing food. Knew why then though. But have not had it every day when eating regularly. I think it is probably the progesterone kicking in, only been on patches a week tomorrow so could be that I guess. Was just interested to know if anyone else had the same experience as this is all new to me x
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 11, 2020, 07:56:34 PM
Some find it useful to keep a mood/food/symptom diary. 
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 12, 2020, 05:31:27 PM
Yes this happened to me on conti HRT but I also used to get it during the last two weeks of my natural cycle so I put it down to the effect progesterone has on my body. It did get better after the first 6 weeks. Give it time to settle.

Taz x  :)

Just had a lightbulb moment this afternoon and this wobbly, low blood sugar, weak feeling is exactly what I had when I was pregnant both times. I’m guessing this surge in new hormones is similar to that.
Sadly when I was pregnant I used to eat mars bars to make it go away, not sure I can get away with that this time 😂
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 12, 2020, 05:33:41 PM
I used to cut Mars Bars into small pieces and put it into the fridge ;-).  Not due to pregnancy ....
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Baby on September 12, 2020, 05:37:26 PM
I had this in peri. When I felt hungry I HAD to eat. Used to be a pain if we were due to go for a meal and I got hungry. I would be stuffing my face with a sauce sandwich half an hour before. And my hubby would say can't you wait and I would say NO I just had to eat then.
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 12, 2020, 05:38:37 PM
Oh sauce sandwich: I used to love HP sauce on hot toast ;-)
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 12, 2020, 05:43:32 PM
I used to cut Mars Bars into small pieces and put it into the fridge ;-).  Not due to pregnancy ....

Just because 😂
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 12, 2020, 05:46:46 PM
I had this in peri. When I felt hungry I HAD to eat. Used to be a pain if we were due to go for a meal and I got hungry. I would be stuffing my face with a sauce sandwich half an hour before. And my hubby would say can't you wait and I would say NO I just had to eat then.

Mine has only been since starting patches last Saturday. About an hour after food, I get sweaty, weak and wobbly and my stomach feels like it’s digesting itself, like a real hunger. I have checked my blood pressure that’s normal, so it must be the sudden arrival of hormones. When I eat it goes for a bit but not for long ☹️
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 12, 2020, 05:59:53 PM
That sounds like the body trying to digest suddenly.   :-\
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 12, 2020, 06:04:52 PM
That sounds like the body trying to digest suddenly.   :-\

Can you explain what you mean by that please? Maybe I’m being thick 😂
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 12, 2020, 06:23:33 PM
Not thick   - I know what I mean  ::).  When I have been very hungry and then eat, sometimes my body goes weak and wobbly ........ have you been checked for diabetes?  I get the same weak and wobbly if I do too much in the garden B4 eating, yesterday I shook for an hour, whilst eating and after  :-\. I hadn't topped up  ::)
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 12, 2020, 06:36:26 PM
Not thick   - I know what I mean  ::).  When I have been very hungry and then eat, sometimes my body goes weak and wobbly ........ have you been checked for diabetes?  I get the same weak and wobbly if I do too much in the garden B4 eating, yesterday I shook for an hour, whilst eating and after  :-\. I hadn't topped up  ::)

No I haven’t been checked, my mum has diabetes 😕 I will get tested just incase but seems a coincidence that it started after 2 days of patch.
Thank you for the explanation, you did it well 😀
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 13, 2020, 08:10:22 AM
5/10 ?  ;)
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 13, 2020, 09:29:26 AM
5/10 ?  ;)

A strong 8/10 👌🏻
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 13, 2020, 02:23:09 PM
 :thankyou:

Do you have breakfast?  If I miss even half what I usually eat, by 10.30 I'm on my knees  :o
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: charliegirl on September 13, 2020, 04:04:02 PM
This is timely, as I used to get this before my periods, and still get it quite badly at times, it happened a few weeks back, then came crashing down with exhaustion, still think it’s hormonal!
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 14, 2020, 07:43:17 AM
I do eat breakfast yes. I’m pleased to report this feeling has now gone, yesterday I was fine, so convinced it must be something to do with the HRT settling in. I’m only on day 9 so most probably another problem will be along in a minute 😂
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Sage 🍃 on September 14, 2020, 01:49:29 PM
It sounds like hypoglycaemia related to increase in oestrogen. It's probably going to settle as soon as your body gets used to it. If you feel it coming again, eat any carbs or drink a fruit juice to see if it helps.
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 14, 2020, 04:16:33 PM
It sounds like hypoglycaemia related to increase in oestrogen. It's probably going to settle as soon as your body gets used to it. If you feel it coming again, eat any carbs or drink a fruit juice to see if it helps.

Go you Sage! I had a call from my doctor this morning to see how I was doing and that’s exactly what he said!
My body has fired up some cylinders that were previously screwed and now has to adjust to this and needs fuel, his words not mine! 🤷🏻‍♀️
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Wrensong on September 14, 2020, 04:49:59 PM
 :o Roobee - fab doctor  8) - he sounds like fun  ;D
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: sheila99 on September 14, 2020, 05:00:14 PM
You could try taking it as a sequi regime, two weeks of oestrogen only patches followed by 2 weeks of conto then a withdrawal bleed. That way you'll know if the progestin they use doesn't agree with you. There are others to try so perhaps ask for something else if it doesn't settle.
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 14, 2020, 08:11:10 PM
:o Roobee - fab doctor  8) - he sounds like fun  ;D

He is lovely and told me all about his wife’s HRT journey and how she was on the verge of killing him a couple years ago 😂
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Wrensong on September 14, 2020, 08:23:58 PM
I've been lucky to have some really lovely docs over the years too, not only GPs but consultants, not to mention fab nurses.  I love that humanity & SOH that comes through when the guard's let down & they're relaxed with you.  Can turn a potentially worrying consult into a pleasure.  That he rang you to see how you were sounds as though he's a goodun :-*.  Hang on to him Roobee!
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Sage 🍃 on September 15, 2020, 05:25:13 PM
It sounds like hypoglycaemia related to increase in oestrogen. It's probably going to settle as soon as your body gets used to it. If you feel it coming again, eat any carbs or drink a fruit juice to see if it helps.

Go you Sage! I had a call from my doctor this morning to see how I was doing and that’s exactly what he said!
My body has fired up some cylinders that were previously screwed and now has to adjust to this and needs fuel, his words not mine! 🤷🏻‍♀️

Your doctor sounds good  ;)
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Hurdity on September 17, 2020, 07:32:33 AM
Hi Roobee

I haven't been on the forum recently but I can relate to this. I am someone who gets what is known as (non-diabetic) "reactive hypoglycaemia" from time to time although I am not diabetic. It happens in the morning if I take vigorous exercise ( even a good walk) and don't have enough breakfast and has got worse in recent years. I have to have a pretty big brek if I'm going to exercise classes (now sadly stopped) at 10 am for example. I also like Taz used to get it during the second part of my natural menstrual cycle.  The tell-tale sign is that I might go from feeling a little bit hungry through to full hypoglycaemic symptoms very quickly (weak, wobbly, shaky and my face dripping with sweat and desperate sugar cravings!).

More recently also when I took norethisterone to clear my womb lining (the same prog in Evorel conti) I got it very badly - but I know how to manage it with slow release foods, protein rich meals etc.

I would say it's generally to do with the effect of the progestogen rather than the oestrogen - and I think this is a known phenomenon. Oestrogen and progesterone have differential effects on blood sugar. The point is even if your body requires more fuel (eg due to increased oestrogen) it shouldn't cause these symptoms, just normal hunger - but the increased progestogen - especially an artificial one - may well have this effect. I stand to be corrected though if anypone has research on this! (Haven't looked it up recently).

The absolute worst thing you can do is eat sweet things little and often - like the mars bars. Complex carbs, lots of fruits and veg and protein. Cut out sugar and refined carbs as much as you can and learn to recognise the signs so you can eat something no sugary before the symptoms start. Sugar will just cause an insulin spike and make things worse long term.

Hurdity x
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Wrensong on September 17, 2020, 09:42:08 AM
Roobee, I should have thought to say earlier in this thread  ::) that the topic of hypoglycaemia has been discussed on the forum many times so if you have time & inclination it might be worthwhile putting hypoglycaemia in the search box. 

I'm another who since start of peri years ago has to be very careful about diet (& timing of exercise) to keep blood sugar levels stable.  As already mentioned, complex carbs with plenty of veg & fruit in moderation & a decent portion of protein at every meal help with this.  Best not to have too much fruit on its own as this can also cause a sugar spike & then a crash afterwards & it's the yo-yoing we need to avoid.  The high protein natural yoghurts (Greek is good for this) can help buffer otherwise carb rich meals such as breakfast, as can nuts.  Fibre is important as this slows down digestion, spreading the glycaemic load.  Best not to go too long between meals & try to keep portion sizes moderate - big pasta based meals are a no-no.  A snack like a couple of oatcakes & a little natural yoghurt shortly before bedtime can help prevent waking with hypoglycaemic night sweats too, though I remember a study that found a pure protein snack at bedtime (they used cheese from memory  :o) was best for this.  I tried cottage cheese on its own but it doesn't work for me!  Alcohol, sugar, refined carbs & caffeine at any time of day can all make matters worse.  Sorry, if much of this has been said already - no time to reread the whole thread today. :)
Wx
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 17, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
Oat cakes  :sick02:  tasteless, they need tarting up with jam  ;D
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Sage 🍃 on September 17, 2020, 04:43:55 PM
LOL ladies, I hope you're not thinking I was advising a diet based on carbs and fruit juice!

I was just pointing out that she could try eating carbs or fruit juice after an episode to confirm that it's hypoglycaemia.

Transient hypoglycaemic episodes are different from reactive or postprandial hypoglycaemia, which occurs after a meal rich in carbs.

I just thought of the link between estradiol and increase in insulin sensitivity because she has mentioned that the onset of symptoms have coincided with starting HRT. Reactive hypoglycaemia can occur independently of HRT and is usually idiopathic.

How are you doing, Roobee?

Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Wrensong on September 17, 2020, 06:44:47 PM
Honestly CLKD, you are incorrigible ;D  There are flavoured oatcakes not just plain & a little crunchy peanut butter's nice on the plain ones  ;).  Or having them with some chive cottage cheese or a small piece of any other cheese (cholesterol permitting) helps them go down.  I buy the GF cheese oatcakes - just one or 2 at a time doesn't overdo the sat fats. 

As far as I know they don't make pizza flavoured ones, so I'm guessing you won't be elbowing me out of the way in the Waitrose biscuit aisle any time soon  ;) :D
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 17, 2020, 07:30:30 PM
 :rofl:  last year having read about oatcakes on here we bought some, yep, from Waitrose.  Yuk double yuk ........

Did buy some of those biscuits 1 gets 'free' with a coffee in various cafes - great for when travelling.  Not 'biscotti' but the others ....... need to go get 1 ;-)
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Wrensong on September 17, 2020, 08:24:36 PM
Those little rectangular dark brown ones?  Can't remember the name.  But wouldn't recommend those for blood sugar stability!  Especially not with coffee  ;D
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 18, 2020, 02:19:06 PM
Nope.  Not since I left home and Mum couldn't frown at me  ;D

yep those be they Wrensong.  They have a name but as the packet is in the kitchen and I'm not .......... I can't drink coffee it makes me  :sick02: but eaten alone as a stop gap B4 lunch ;-)
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 19, 2020, 11:36:50 AM
Ladies you are funny! 😂
Thank you for the useful advise, I don’t snack on mars bars now, that was many moons ago when I was pregnant, didn’t care about nothing then! Lol
I assumed it was something in the HRT as the feeling is so similar to when I was pregnant.
It’s not as bad now, comes and goes so hopefully getting used to it a bit, just got a boring background headache and slighty lightheaded now, which I kind of feel is coming from my neck because that feels tense.
CLKD I’m with you on the oat cakes but I do like rice cakes but have to have something on them, like chewing on polystyrene if not 😂
Still waiting for the ‘god I feel good’ moment but only 2 weeks today so guess it’s early days
Thank you for all your comments x
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 19, 2020, 11:38:34 AM
How often are you found chewing polysterene  ;D

Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 19, 2020, 11:44:21 AM
How often are you found chewing polysterene  ;D

😂 they say hormones make you do stupid things don’t they?
Maybe I should have said it’s how I imagine chewing polystyrene would be 🤣
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Wrensong on September 19, 2020, 12:08:10 PM
I agree, oatcakes - are not in my 100 top fave foods either!  But they are convenient & needs must!
Wx
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 19, 2020, 04:21:52 PM
LOL ladies, I hope you're not thinking I was advising a diet based on carbs and fruit juice!

I was just pointing out that she could try eating carbs or fruit juice after an episode to confirm that it's hypoglycaemia.

Transient hypoglycaemic episodes are different from reactive or postprandial hypoglycaemia, which occurs after a meal rich in carbs.

I just thought of the link between estradiol and increase in insulin sensitivity because she has mentioned that the onset of symptoms have coincided with starting HRT. Reactive hypoglycaemia can occur independently of HRT and is usually idiopathic.

How are you doing, Roobee?

Still happening on and off, sometimes worse than others. I’m trying to eat little and often and making good foods choices, mainly 😂
You lost me on that last paragraph 🤣
I can’t get a doctors appointment for a blood test for diabetes for a couple weeks ☹️ Doesn’t seem as if you can find out any other way .
The feeling is beginning to annoy me a bit now, as I feel very tired and wobbly
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 19, 2020, 04:31:42 PM
Hi Roobee

I haven't been on the forum recently but I can relate to this. I am someone who gets what is known as (non-diabetic) "reactive hypoglycaemia" from time to time although I am not diabetic. It happens in the morning if I take vigorous exercise ( even a good walk) and don't have enough breakfast and has got worse in recent years. I have to have a pretty big brek if I'm going to exercise classes (now sadly stopped) at 10 am for example. I also like Taz used to get it during the second part of my natural menstrual cycle.  The tell-tale sign is that I might go from feeling a little bit hungry through to full hypoglycaemic symptoms very quickly (weak, wobbly, shaky and my face dripping with sweat and desperate sugar cravings!).

More recently also when I took norethisterone to clear my womb lining (the same prog in Evorel conti) I got it very badly - but I know how to manage it with slow release foods, protein rich meals etc.

I would say it's generally to do with the effect of the progestogen rather than the oestrogen - and I think this is a known phenomenon. Oestrogen and progesterone have differential effects on blood sugar. The point is even if your body requires more fuel (eg due to increased oestrogen) it shouldn't cause these symptoms, just normal hunger - but the increased progestogen - especially an artificial one - may well have this effect. I stand to be corrected though if anypone has research on this! (Haven't looked it up recently).

The absolute worst thing you can do is eat sweet things little and often - like the mars bars. Complex carbs, lots of fruits and veg and protein. Cut out sugar and refined carbs as much as you can and learn to recognise the signs so you can eat something no sugary before the symptoms start. Sugar will just cause an insulin spike and make things worse long term.

Hurdity x

I have tried to find info about this but it only leads to links discussing diabetic patients using HRT. Can’t seem to find anything that discusses the effects on a non diabetic person (which hopefully I am) 🤞🏻
Can’t get a blood test for a while to check that out.
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Mogster71 on September 19, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
Hi Roobee
I definitely get this feeling at times too, but haven't "journalled it" so I could see which stage in my HRT I'm at...I will from now on though.

Agree with CLKD that eating little and often works well, perhaps some little protein bars or flapjacks would be good? Or if you're disciplined enough to weigh out some mixed nuts and raisins, or have some peanut/other nut butter on apple halves/celery sticks....

Totally agree with Hurdity (hope you're ok?) that doing too much before topping up the tank with more fuel has resulted in me feeling incredibly weak and wobbly to the point of nausea.

Hope it passes for you Roobee and you start to feel some of the good things soon!!
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 19, 2020, 06:44:23 PM
Hi Roobee
I definitely get this feeling at times too, but haven't "journalled it" so I could see which stage in my HRT I'm at...I will from now on though.

Agree with CLKD that eating little and often works well, perhaps some little protein bars or flapjacks would be good? Or if you're disciplined enough to weigh out some mixed nuts and raisins, or have some peanut/other nut butter on apple halves/celery sticks....

Totally agree with Hurdity (hope you're ok?) that doing too much before topping up the tank with more fuel has resulted in me feeling incredibly weak and wobbly to the point of nausea.

Hope it passes for you Roobee and you start to feel some of the good things soon!!

Thank you 🥰 I’m on the conti, so can’t really say which one causes it 🤷🏻‍♀️
Been worse today and I’m starting to wonder if it’s anything to do with patch changes. The one I changed this morning had been on for 4 days instead of 3 like the other one.
I also hope something positive happens soon, but I know it’s early days 🤞🏻

Thank you for your input xx
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Wrensong on September 20, 2020, 12:35:16 PM
Roobee, can you maybe try changing the patches at 3.5 days each?  That might help a bit with hormone stability.  Some of us find we need to change what should be twice weekly patches every 3 days to keep levels up.
Wx
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 20, 2020, 02:46:38 PM
I have done 2 much in the garden a few times this weekend  :-\ - cuppa to hand and a cake with custard.  That'll do until our evening meal.
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Sage 🍃 on September 20, 2020, 05:39:07 PM
LOL ladies, I hope you're not thinking I was advising a diet based on carbs and fruit juice!

I was just pointing out that she could try eating carbs or fruit juice after an episode to confirm that it's hypoglycaemia.

Transient hypoglycaemic episodes are different from reactive or postprandial hypoglycaemia, which occurs after a meal rich in carbs.

I just thought of the link between estradiol and increase in insulin sensitivity because she has mentioned that the onset of symptoms have coincided with starting HRT. Reactive hypoglycaemia can occur independently of HRT and is usually idiopathic.

How are you doing, Roobee?

Still happening on and off, sometimes worse than others. I’m trying to eat little and often and making good foods choices, mainly 😂
You lost me on that last paragraph 🤣
I can’t get a doctors appointment for a blood test for diabetes for a couple weeks ☹️ Doesn’t seem as if you can find out any other way .
The feeling is beginning to annoy me a bit now, as I feel very tired and wobbly

So sorry to hear you're not feeling better. I hope the blood tests results will be helpful. Are you feeling tired and wobbly all the time?

The last paragraph: Estradiol can increase insulin sensitivity, meaning that more glucose will leave the blood and enter the cells, causing a temporary decrease in glucose blood levels (hypoglycaemia). If this is what's happening a rapid intake of simple sugars could restore the levels and reverse the symptoms. This is just a test to confirm that you have transient hypoglycaemia.
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 20, 2020, 05:54:14 PM
LOL ladies, I hope you're not thinking I was advising a diet based on carbs and fruit juice!

I was just pointing out that she could try eating carbs or fruit juice after an episode to confirm that it's hypoglycaemia.

Transient hypoglycaemic episodes are different from reactive or postprandial hypoglycaemia, which occurs after a meal rich in carbs.

I just thought of the link between estradiol and increase in insulin sensitivity because she has mentioned that the onset of symptoms have coincided with starting HRT. Reactive hypoglycaemia can occur independently of HRT and is usually idiopathic.

How are you doing, Roobee?

Still happening on and off, sometimes worse than others. I’m trying to eat little and often and making good foods choices, mainly 😂
You lost me on that last paragraph 🤣
I can’t get a doctors appointment for a blood test for diabetes for a couple weeks ☹️ Doesn’t seem as if you can find out any other way .
The feeling is beginning to annoy me a bit now, as I feel very tired and wobbly

So sorry to hear you're not feeling better. I hope the blood tests results will be helpful. Are you feeling tired and wobbly all the time?

The last paragraph: Estradiol can increase insulin sensitivity, meaning that more glucose will leave the blood and enter the cells, causing a temporary decrease in glucose blood levels (hypoglycaemia). If this is what's happening a rapid intake of simple sugars could restore the levels and reverse the symptoms. This is just a test to confirm that you have transient hypoglycaemia.


Thanks Sage, no not all the time, seems to be worse in the afternoon/evening. Wake up feeling quite refreshed and ok then it comes on later in the day.
Doesn’t really seem to improve much with food intake, I haven’t tried something really sugary because I was afraid that was the wrong thing to do. So you are saying try eating some sugary crap and see if it goes?
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Sage 🍃 on September 20, 2020, 05:56:04 PM
Exactly  ;D
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 20, 2020, 06:20:09 PM
🙈 will give it a go!
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Sage 🍃 on September 20, 2020, 06:34:26 PM
Keep us posted on the results  :pills: :lol:
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 20, 2020, 09:06:23 PM
Keep us posted on the results  :pills: :lol:

So I ate a bag of marshmallows 🤢 the feeling has virtually gone
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 21, 2020, 11:17:03 AM
 ;D - did U toast any ;-)

I did too much again in our warm garden, pizza eaten, cuppa to hand  ::).  I stopped B4 I got to the nausea stage. 
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Wrensong on September 21, 2020, 12:14:18 PM
Bit half-hearted Roobee.  No sticky toffee pud for afters? ;D
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 21, 2020, 12:24:00 PM
With custard  ;)
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 21, 2020, 12:24:56 PM
I know pathetic attempt at eating badly, but I thought they have lots of sugar in them 😂 but no fat!
I was being bad & good!
CLKD I didn’t toast them, i needed chocolate biscuits to make s’mores, that would have been worth the effort lol
Feeling is coming back today and I’m pretty sure it’s not advisable to eat a bag of crap every time, so I’m just going to stick with it for a bit and hope it goes soon, it’s annoying!
I’m worrying I’m a diabetic which is not helping me, already feel anxious a lot so something else to think about is a pain
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: CLKD on September 21, 2020, 12:33:50 PM
A urine and blood test will see how your blood sugar levels are, I think one has to be starved or something?  Do ring your surgery for info.? 

My worse time is mid-morning when I get a dip and when I was working and had to drive 14 miles home, I would feel dreadful.  Worse by knowing that there are no pull offs on that stretch of road.  I got so that I had 2 ginger biscuits 20 mins. B4 the journey and DH would have a cuppa ready when I walked through the door.  That's black T, 2 sugars ;-).

MayB over haul your diet?  Do you find that different times of year you feel better/worse?  Certainly when the UK clocks are changed I feel dreadful 4 about a week  :o. 

My friend would drink flat Coke and eat salted crisps.  DH cooks pancake mix if I feel bad [keeps in the fridge for 2-3 days] or stir fried chicken pieces with lots of veg. on a bed of rice.  Sometimes mid afternoon if I require it.
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 21, 2020, 12:42:42 PM
I have a blood test appointment for Friday next week.
This has only happened to me since HRT so it’s a new thing other than when I was pregnant but that used to go as soon as I ate something, this is different, it goes away a bit but still feel spacey and weak from late morning until bed time. Wake up feeling ok then it gradually comes back 🤷🏻‍♀️
It is defo related to the patches, as it only started on about day 4 ish
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Wrensong on September 21, 2020, 02:47:27 PM
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I know pathetic attempt at eating badly

No I'd say  :medal: at eating badly!  But you did that as a test.  If it is hypoglycaemia then what we need is to get your blood sugar levels more stable 24/7, so you don't need the emergency sugar.

Is it just a random sugar test on Fri?  My GP surgery gave me a monitor to use at home for a couple of weeks to test blood sugar in different conditions - both after & before eating.

Try not to worry Roobee - if it started with the patches, seems likely to be hormonally driven & you will learn how to manage it.  If it continues to be troublesome you can always ask to try a different type of HRT to see whether that makes a difference (sorry can't remember whether this is your first).
Wx
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 21, 2020, 06:12:50 PM
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I know pathetic attempt at eating badly

No I'd say  :medal: at eating badly!  But you did that as a test.  If it is hypoglycaemia then what we need is to get your blood sugar levels more stable 24/7, so you don't need the emergency sugar.

Is it just a random sugar test on Fri?  My GP surgery gave me a monitor to use at home for a couple of weeks to test blood sugar in different conditions - both after & before eating.

Try not to worry Roobee - if it started with the patches, seems likely to be hormonally driven & you will learn how to manage it.  If it continues to be troublesome you can always ask to try a different type of HRT to see whether that makes a difference (sorry can't remember whether this is your first).
Wx

Fasting blood test and urine sample.
This is my first HRT and I’m only 2 weeks in so I kind of have to stick with it for the 3 months and see if it’s just because it’s new to my poor little body 😂 In all other ways I feel ok and I would like to think I don’t have to change. When I say ok, the only thing I can say has improved so far is sleep, no change to mood, anxiety, fatigue etc yet
I have discovered Nakd bars today, have you tried them? OMG they are lush!
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Wrensong on September 21, 2020, 06:26:03 PM
Yes I agree, do stick with the new HRT if you can, I didn't mean ask to change in the short term, just that if this is your first there will be other options to try down the line if this proves unsuitable after a reasonable trial period.

If sleep has already improved that's promising  :).  In fact inadequate sleep is another thing that messes with the body's ability to regulate sugar, so once you've been sleeping better for a few weeks that might go some way to helping your body stabilise.

I've seen the Nakd bars in H&B I think, but don't remember having one.

Not long now till your tests on Friday & hopefully those will put your mind at rest.
Wx
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 21, 2020, 06:47:41 PM
Test is Friday next week, not this week unfortunately 🙄
I’ve eaten two Nakd bars already today, I cannot believe they are made from just dates and nuts!
I’ve tested choc orange and cashew cookie, I’m resisting the urge to scoff a cherry bakewell one right now 😂😂
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 21, 2020, 06:50:02 PM
Thank you ladies, I appreciate your comments xx
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: KaraShannon on September 21, 2020, 07:01:11 PM
Roobee, I haven't read the whole thread but I had the hungry feeling when I started Evorel Sequi, but not to the extent of feeling weak or wobbly.

But I've had that when I've been weaning off my beta blockers and when I looked it up, sometimes that hunger is hyperglycaemia, so the opposite of low blood sugar, high blood sugar and maybe a 'diabetic' issue, BUT big caveat here, it was temporary with my beta blocker weaning and may be temporary with you, not a real issue  :)
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 21, 2020, 07:07:34 PM
Roobee, I haven't read the whole thread but I had the hungry feeling when I started Evorel Sequi, but not to the extent of feeling weak or wobbly.

But I've had that when I've been weaning off my beta blockers and when I looked it up, sometimes that hunger is hyperglycaemia, so the opposite of low blood sugar, high blood sugar and maybe a 'diabetic' issue, BUT big caveat here, it was temporary with my beta blocker weaning and may be temporary with you, not a real issue  :)

Thank you, I’m fairly sure it’s something to do with the patches (evorel conti) so I’m hoping it will go when I get used to them.
I also think my anxiety is making it worse 🙄 I’m just going to eat until I know what’s what 😂
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: KaraShannon on September 21, 2020, 07:12:51 PM
Yes, I'm more inclined to think it's nothing to worry about Roobee  :)
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Sage 🍃 on September 24, 2020, 11:10:15 AM
Keep us posted on the results  :pills: :lol:

So I ate a bag of marshmallows 🤢 the feeling has virtually gone

I like marshmallows 😂 Well done, so it's transient hypoglycaemia. Of course you can't keep eating sugary stuff so  now you need to wait until you can get the blood tests done. You have mentioned your mother has diabetes? Is it type 2? How are you feeling today?
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Roobee on September 26, 2020, 08:26:59 AM
Keep us posted on the results  :pills: :lol:

So I ate a bag of marshmallows 🤢 the feeling has virtually gone

I like marshmallows 😂 Well done, so it's transient hypoglycaemia. Of course you can't keep eating sugary stuff so  now you need to wait until you can get the blood tests done. You have mentioned your mother has diabetes? Is it type 2? How are you feeling today?

Hi Sage, this week the feeling has gone, yay!
Will still be having the test next Friday but whatever it was has now gone, so defo something to do with the patches I think.
Yes my mum has type 2 diabetes,
Thanks for asking xx
Title: Re: Hungry & wobbly since starting HRT
Post by: Sage 🍃 on September 29, 2020, 11:21:34 AM
That's fantastic news, Roobee! Good luck with your appointment! 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻