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Title: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: CLKD on May 07, 2020, 12:11:55 PM
I think that if the rumour is true, that anyone of those living in a flat should be allowed into the open air, to hop and skip across green grass ...... to sit in the sunshine and top up VitD levels. 

Bet the idea is altered by Sunday  :D ......... however, I don't think restrictions should be lifted until at least 2 weeks after the last confirmed case?
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Sparrow on May 07, 2020, 01:01:49 PM
I think that if the rumour is true, that anyone of those living in a flat should be allowed into the open air, to hop and skip across green grass ...... to sit in the sunshine and top up VitD levels. 

Bet the idea is altered by Sunday  :D ......... however, I don't think restrictions should be lifted until at least 2 weeks after the last confirmed case?

Could be never then.  :(
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: sheila99 on May 07, 2020, 01:36:05 PM
Those living in a flat can already go out for their daily exercise.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Donnadoobie on May 07, 2020, 03:37:10 PM
649 people died yesterday with over 6100 new cases.  Relaxing the lockdown now is nothing more than state backed murder.   

second wave is coming and it will be even more lethal!
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: CLKD on May 07, 2020, 03:40:46 PM
If you watched the News it shows how difficult it is for families with several young children to leave a flat.  Plus getting shopping, buggies, kids up and down stairs when lifts are broken or too disgusting to use. 

I wonder how many times that Boris will change his mind next week.  Driven by the Banks.  Probably.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Dorothy on May 08, 2020, 12:06:32 AM
I can't see that allowing people outside to take exercise more is going to increase the risk - the problem arises from being close to someone infected or from touching a surface that has the virus on it.  So being allowed to go further for walks etc, with your own household is not going to make things worse. 

It might actually help - I think many people are getting so fed up with lockdown that more and more people will start breaking the rules.  Maybe if they are relaxed just a little, to allow people to spend longer outside, they will be more willing to keep to the rules.

It'll be interesting to see what Wales comes up with - so far, our First Minister seems to make a point of saying the exact opposite of whatever Boris does.  We get our announcement tomorrow - no doubt trying to get in ahead of England so he can prove he's not following what they say.  I am getting tired of the political point scoring going on between the various countries.  Having different rules for Wales & England is especially stupid - I can cross and recross the border several times on one short journey, so how Wales is going to police a stricter lockdown than England is anyone's guess - people in East Wales will simply border hop!
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Two hoots on May 08, 2020, 09:41:28 AM
Hi Dorothy, I dont know if you are north or south but I live in SW Wales, we havent had as many cases here but north Wales figures are creeping up according to Public Health Wales website.  I watch the Welsh announcement every day but I get distracted watching the sign language woman  :). Lets see what today brings, I cant see how Wales can be different to England either.

Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: CLKD on May 08, 2020, 09:42:47 AM
Less population?
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Dorothy on May 08, 2020, 10:18:05 AM
Hi Dorothy, I dont know if you are north or south but I live in SW Wales, we havent had as many cases here but north Wales figures are creeping up according to Public Health Wales website.  I watch the Welsh announcement every day but I get distracted watching the sign language woman  :). Lets see what today brings, I cant see how Wales can be different to England either.
I know there are differences in the spread of the disease, but I have noticed that over the past couple of weeks, Drakeford has consistently come out with the exact opposite to Westminster every time - and the Welsh cases aren't fluctuating that much!

It's the same with Keir Starmer - he's been hassling Boris for weeks to announce lockdown exit plans, and now Boris has said he's going to do that, Starmer has done a complete about turn and is saying it's too early.  I just wish ALL politicians would pull together and focus on what's best for the country, not on what might get them into/keep them in positions of power.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Salad on May 08, 2020, 10:31:15 AM

It'll be interesting to see what Wales comes up with - so far, our First Minister seems to make a point of saying the exact opposite of whatever Boris does.  We get our announcement tomorrow - no doubt trying to get in ahead of England so he can prove he's not following what they say.  I am getting tired of the political point scoring going on between the various countries.  Having different rules for Wales & England is especially stupid - I can cross and recross the border several times on one short journey, so how Wales is going to police a stricter lockdown than England is anyone's guess - people in East Wales will simply border hop!

That could be interesting for my son and his girlfriend, if the Welsh announcement says ok to return to work. They have just moved to Monmouthshire, but work in Bristol.  :D
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: CLKD on May 08, 2020, 11:02:30 AM
Where they on Escape to the Country recently ?

The Government and Opposition will never agree, not even during a State of Emergency.  :'(  >:(
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Sparrow on May 08, 2020, 11:09:20 AM

This is in todays Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/08/revealed-uk-scientists-fury-over-attempt-to-censor-covid-19-advice
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: CLKD on May 08, 2020, 11:14:10 AM
? false news ?
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Sparrow on May 08, 2020, 11:26:36 AM
? false news ?

Well it give quotes from the government scientists, and a copy of the redacted document.

You decide.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: CLKD on May 08, 2020, 11:29:29 AM
I tried to read it but it's all double Dutch to me  ::) why can't the government scientists be given air space to put it forward in proper English  ::)
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Two hoots on May 08, 2020, 11:43:33 AM
So garden centres can open again  :) but our local park is still closed  :( otherwise no change really for 3 more weeks in Wales, wait and see what Boris says on Sunday now.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Salad on May 08, 2020, 11:49:21 AM
Where they on Escape to the Country recently ?

The Government and Opposition will never agree, not even during a State of Emergency.  :'(  >:(

I do enjoy that programme - I love looking around the houses, especially if they are by the sea  :D

No they weren't, but they were told a lot of Bristolians have moved into the same new development.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Two hoots on May 08, 2020, 11:58:21 AM
No more Severn Bridge tolls makes a big difference not only the charge but the long queues as well.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: sheila99 on May 08, 2020, 12:48:54 PM
Back covering exercise? People are questioning why our scientific advisors recommendrd herd immunity while advisors from every other country except Sweden recommended lockdown.
 Keir starmer isn't helping. He's been winding people up asking for exit plans so now people are expecting it and some will give up on lockdown too soon
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: CLKD on May 08, 2020, 01:34:39 PM
Where did you read about garden centres  :-\
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Two hoots on May 08, 2020, 02:34:18 PM
Where did you read about garden centres  :-\

The first minister for Wales announced it in his daily briefing, also councils can consider opening libraries and tips from Monday.  He also said that you can go out to exercise more than once a day, but dont go far from home, some people have been stopped after driving miles to go to a beach  :(
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Sparrow on May 08, 2020, 02:40:08 PM
It's on the news sites as well.

Hopefully English Gardens centres will be open soon too.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Padine on May 08, 2020, 03:36:09 PM
Garden Centres are open in Scotland. My husband ordered compost 3 weeks go (from local place), he was only charged for what he bought. He ordered more last week and they charged us ?6 delivery........hmm...........ripping off the customer, but no more orders from them.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Sparrow on May 08, 2020, 03:44:11 PM
Yes, English ones are doing delivery too.  There is a rumour that they might open properly here, like Wales has just done.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: sheila99 on May 08, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
People are breaking the lockdown already. There's more traffic today today than there has been all week.  >:(
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Sparrow on May 08, 2020, 04:52:39 PM
It was always going to happen though.  A total lock down, like they have had in other countries, was never possible here.  We don't have a big enough police force.  Italy's for instance is twice the size of ours.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Salad on May 08, 2020, 05:07:53 PM
No more Severn Bridge tolls makes a big difference not only the charge but the long queues as well.

They've moved during lockdown so are yet to experience the queues they've heard about :o
Luckily they do flexi hours so can avoid the peak times.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: CLKD on May 08, 2020, 05:10:12 PM
So tell the garden centre  :-\.  ........ they like others are working under difficulties.   It's easy for someone to pick up the wrong order !  Most of the ones local have been delivering but are charging a tenner .......

I didn't think that there was a toll over the Severn any more?

Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Two hoots on May 08, 2020, 05:12:28 PM
No more Severn Bridge tolls makes a big difference not only the charge but the long queues as well.

They've moved during lockdown so are yet to experience the queues they've heard about :o
Luckily they do flexi hours so can avoid the peak times.

The queues are nothing like when you had to pay at the toll booths but Fridays are busy 😕 nice area to live, i hope they are settling in  :)
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Sparrow on May 08, 2020, 05:14:06 PM
So tell the garden centre  :-\.  ........ they like others are working under difficulties.   It's easy for someone to pick up the wrong order !  Most of the ones local have been delivering but are charging a tenner .......

I didn't think that there was a toll over the Severn any more?

Our local one charges ?5.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Padine on May 08, 2020, 05:31:22 PM
 I meant to say Scotland's open only for phone orders, not to customers; the delivery was always free previously. Good for them if they want to make a bit of extra ???.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: CLKD on May 08, 2020, 05:42:36 PM
I expect that the products have gone up from the whole saleors ....... [SP] so they are passing it on to the customers.  Our locals have a ?30+ ordering policy.

Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Dorothy on May 09, 2020, 04:52:24 PM
Garden Centres are open in Scotland. My husband ordered compost 3 weeks go (from local place), he was only charged for what he bought. He ordered more last week and they charged us ?6 delivery........hmm...........ripping off the customer, but no more orders from them.

I ordered some compost and veg plants from my local garden centre last week - they said the delivery charge was ?5 for local addresses, more if further afield.  As I'm less than a mile from the centre, and only about 10 houses nearer to it than I am, I foolishly assumed my charge would be ?5.  They charged me ?15.  Guess where I won't be going back to as soon as lockdown lifts?!!

Can't help thinking it's daft timing to alter lockdown immediately after a bank holiday though, as they are not going to know if any disease spike is due to the alteration or to people breaking the rules at the weekend.  I was working Friday afternoon and drove home past half a dozen front gardens crammed with people partying - ok, maybe each garden contained one household, but in that case, there are an awful lot of 2 bedroom bungalows which have 15 people living in them...
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: CLKD on May 09, 2020, 06:35:53 PM
Ring the garden centre and ask?  No good worrying on here .........

People are allowed to keep a distance whilst on their walks ;-) and if it means accepting a scone/Prosecco/coffee ......
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Sparrow on May 11, 2020, 02:43:43 PM
This makes at much sense as the real thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCAYb9J_w_o
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Hurdity on May 12, 2020, 07:14:31 PM
This makes at much sense as the real thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCAYb9J_w_o

 ;D
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Hurdity on May 12, 2020, 07:15:01 PM
IThe traffic coming into London this morning was dreadful.

From first hand experience?

Hurdity x
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Katejo on May 12, 2020, 07:55:55 PM
IThe traffic coming into London this morning was dreadful.

From first hand experience?

Hurdity x
I was in Central London today after a medical appt. Not many pedestrians but more cars than I had hoped to see.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Machair on May 12, 2020, 08:08:45 PM
Hi Katejo- Did you use the tube and was it busy? Did you wear a mask and was everyone wearing one? I was going to make an appointment for my scan, but one of my neighbours has Covid 19 so am reluctant yet to make the journey into London. Hope to book it in the next few weeks. The mainline trains from where I live are also very unpredictable and I need to see them become reliable and dependable first as it is hard to judge times to leave, especially as there is nowhere to wait in the area I am going to.

Good luck on Thursday xx
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: Katejo on May 14, 2020, 11:03:01 PM
Hi Katejo- Did you use the tube and was it busy? Did you wear a mask and was everyone wearing one? I was going to make an appointment for my scan, but one of my neighbours has Covid 19 so am reluctant yet to make the journey into London. Hope to book it in the next few weeks. The mainline trains from where I live are also very unpredictable and I need to see them become reliable and dependable first as it is hard to judge times to leave, especially as there is nowhere to wait in the area I am going to.

Good luck on Thursday xx
  Hi Machair. Yes I did take the tube on tuesday and today but didn't put the mask on because my line was very quiet and I could easily sit apart from other passengers. I did have to wear one inside the hospital. It was a requirement. I was tested for Covid on Tuesday but fortunately negative or I wouldn't have been allowed back for the op.
Title: Re: Restrictions to lockdown? England ?
Post by: CLKD on June 04, 2020, 12:19:39 PM
I worry about staff moving from care/nursing home to another care home due to not being paid enough ........

Why is it OK for staff to come and go from Care Homes but 1 can't live with your lover/husband who happened to be separated at the time of lock down  :-\ ............. to make meeting husband/wife illegal by passing yet another State of Emergency Law, really feels like 1935 onwards  :-\.