Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Penelope on February 05, 2020, 11:24:30 PM
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Hi I am day 65 on HRT Kliovance the last four days especially ally in the morning have been horrendous
I have begun to get so down and that I can't do this any more.Then around 1pm it lifts and I feel good for the rest of the day.
This morning was really bad I just can not t do this anymore I feel just awe full.Then for the second time I got freezing cold and it is 27 degrees here.
I piled on the winter clothes and a blanket and froze for 1 an 1/2 hours.
I did the exact same thing Two weeks ago?
Any advice or answers would be really appreciated?
Is this normal.
I am stuck now because I can't go off it the amount of good thing it has done for me.But I can't keep feeling the awe full either.
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No decent doctors here.
Is this normal Birdy?
People on here make lots of comments eg ?Long may it last? does this happen a lot?
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Birdy I have never felt the cold in 25 years.But three times now since being on HRT I have had my temperature plummet had to put winter clothes on Slept and each time it has lasted 1 and 1/2 hours.
The lead up to it mentally and physically is horrendous.
I take My HRT at night is that ok?
I never ever had morning sickness with three babies but I did read somewhere hormones are worse in the mornings? Xx
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Birdy I take them at 5pm every evening.
My thyroid all ways made me sensitive to heat For the last 25 years.So for me to ever feel cold 🥶 in its self is really weird.
I think That it says chills can be a side effect of HRT?
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Hi Penelope,
I" m sorry you are feeling so awful. You' ve made so much progress at first. I recognize the symptoms you describe and for me these are symptoms of low estrogen. Kliovance contains 1 mg Estradiol which is a low dose. Or the progesterone in it, Noretisterone, may not suit you. If you also experienced these symptoms two weeks ago then Kliovance doesn't surpress your cycle or fluctuations enough.
When estradiol is too low opposite progesterone it can cause symptoms too.
Alicess
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Birdy I am terrible just spent the entire night awake.
Feeling desperate.
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Hi Penelope - I'm sorry to hear you are feeling rough after the initial improvement. On your thyroid thread I posted a paper about taking oral oestrogen and interaction with thyroid hormones and those on HRT especially oral (but Wrensong pointed out also transdermal to a lesser extent) would need their thyroid levels to be tested and monitored regularly because of its effect on thyroid hormoens and their function - and consequently muight need to increase their thyroid meds. Presumably this can also happen with women not taking thyroid hormones but who have an underlying thyroid problem?
From what I gather you are not taking thyroid hormones - thyroxine or similar? However the fact that you are now feeling cold does point to the effect that has been written about - potentially being responsible for your symptoms? Despite your never having taken thyroid meds before I would strongly suggest you get a full thyroid panel done again and if your results show low levels, to discuss with your doc possibly starting on a course of thyroxine (if you are able to convert well to T3). it may well that now is the time that you need it?
Personally I would say it is much more important to do this before either stopping HRT or increasing the dose. Hopefully Wrensong might be along....I am no expert on this!
Hurdity x
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Hello Penelope
I'm so sorry to learn that you are feeling ill.
As you may know I am not using HRT but I am taking Levothyroxine because I was recently found to have Hashimoto's . I understand that having cold hands plus feeling nervous and emotional are symptoms of hypothyroidism and that has certainly been my experience of late. It may be that your thyroid situation needs to be looked at again.
As you know achieving balance means having all our hormones working together so oestrogen and thyroxine need to be in harmony even though they do different jobs and originate from different parts of our endocrine system.
I realise how horrible this hormonal turmoil can be so you have my sympathy.
Take care and sending hugs.
K.
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Hi Penelope. Sorry to know you are feeling pretty rough. I agree with the comments about HRT possibly affecting any underlying thyroid condition. The oestrogen in it may be causing an increase in something called Thyroid Binding Globulin that effectively ties up some of our thyroxine, making less available to help our metabolism work efficiently. Consequences of this could be low body temperature, disproportionate fatigue, depression, reduced appetite, sluggish digestion & fluid retention.
Please go to your doctor & ask for your thyroid to be tested again.
Wx
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Oh Birdy - interesting is one word for the dodgy thyroid complication at menopause! The challenge keeps us on our toes for sure!
Wx
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Oh no Birdy, so presumably you're in that frustrating position of strongly suspecting it's causing symptoms but docs won't treat :'(? Maybe PM me your TFT results if you don't mind sharing & want to chat about it? Two heads & all that - not that I have two, you understand!
Wx
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Birdy - I know this is Penelope's thread so do start a new one with info about your thyroid tests and symtpoms etc if you don't mind sharing with everyone as I am really interested in this whole subject ie thryoid tests ( full panel) symptoms and overlap with menpausal symptoms and HRT - as well as Wrensong's take on it ( being knowledgeable in this area! ::) ).
Penelope I hope you had a better couple of nights.... let us know re thyroid tests etc?
Hurdity x
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Good idea Hurdity, if Birdy doesn't mind sharing.
I sometimes suggest PM as I imagine many regular posters are fed up seeing me banging on about thyroid with the same old stuff over & over, especially when a thyroid issue comes up in a thread about something else, which it often does. I also remember how alone I felt with thyroid probs & meno stuff before I knew about MM & would hate for anyone to be worried about something if there are no other hypothyroid members around for reassurance. I often don't have time to follow the forum but do try to check for PM's.
Also, I think some of us feel more comfortable opening up one-to-one. The detail is sometimes very personal & revealing history on the forum can leave us feeling vulnerable if we fear anonymity might be compromised. Not suggesting any of this applies to Birdy - just reasons I sometimes suggest contact via PM.
On the other hand, the variety of input we get when multiple members contribute to a thread can be so valuable & interesting. And if we're talking rubbish, someone's bound to come along & put us right ;D!
Wx
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No pressure Birdy. :)
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Hello ladies
I am also currently obsessing about thyroid problems so all information is of interest to me lol.
The similarity to the menopause seems remarkable especially the emotional symptoms.
Wishing everyone well.
K.
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Hi Penelope, if you're reading please let us know how you are.
Wx
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Hello you lovely girls.I am back Wow that was a huge day and night to go through.
I have just had 5 really good days sleeping 10 hours a night and a nap in the day.
But best of all no mental chatter or depression.
Went to the doctor yesterday and he said the slump into depression along with the freezing chill are directly related to thyroid.
So it shows the HRT is working to balance me out but it will take at least 7-10 months.I have a test for TSH but hey I have never not had a blood test not come back normal for TSH so I'm not holding my breath.
I must say The HRT on my thyroid symptoms has been great the hair loss has halved,My Bowles are much better my anxiety is nearly gone,my muscles are feeling much better I lost my muscle around 15 years ago and have felt so weak ever since.
I used to feel hot all the time a couple of degrees more than normal that has corrected its self and oh what a blessing I may for the first time in 26 years buy a winter wardrobe I have always worn my summer clothes all winter.
Thank you so much girls man I needed you all.I have never felt that low in my life it's sad really I could have ended it all but the next day I am back to normal.
How many people out there commit suicide and it there hormones?Scary stuff.
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Hi Penelope, sorry you are having such an up & down time of it. Can be pretty demoralising, I know. Great that you're sleeping so well though, your hair loss has improved, your bowels & anxiety better :). Try to hang on to the thought so much is changing for the better to get you through those dark days. Do make sure they continue to monitor your thyroid, so that if that needs treating with Thyroxine it can be started sooner rather than later. Interested to know what your latest TFT will show. Please keep us updated.
Everything crossed for you.
Wx