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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: CLKD on November 21, 2019, 06:12:38 PM
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:bang: Political Parties jumping on the band wagon, suggesting building K1s housing across Gt Britain ......... particularly targeting the idea of homes for low income families. Yep that was Council housing in my day :-\ - both of us were raised in Council houses B4 Maggie decided it was a 'good' idea to offer the properties to tenants, cheaply. Without building any more to fill the gaps .......
For years Planning Consent has been given across the UK - as long as the builders offer up a % of housing-scheme properties within the Plans. i.e. anything over 76 properties has to include 20 low-priced, 1-bedroom houses or flats. Agreed with the Council. Passed. Ticked off. Until the footings are dug for the more up-market properties - then the Plans are re-submitted with the proviso that Social Housing is no longer beneficial or cost effective. For whom: other than the Building Companies who know that not many Councils can challenge the alterations in Court.
So the large, expensive properties are built and bought. Then the Companies move on. With very little chance of snagging problems being sorted as the large Companies are self regulating and the Councils no longer sigh off footings etc.. Instead of the Planning Consent insisting that the housing-scheme properties are built first? .......... to make sure that they are actually erected? How short sighted the Councils seem to be :-\
I've seen this across Warwickshire and Northamptonshire as well as in the Fens during the last 10 years :'(. The UK does not need new housing, looking at the Estate Agents there isn't a lack of stock except in villages where young people can't afford to buy. So villages are dying and children don't see their grandparents etc. as regularly ..........
If Boris ventures any closer to me I will jump. Loud and Hard - look out for me on the News >:(
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Corbyn pledged today to build 100,000 new council houses ...... no doubt to house all the people from other countries who Labour want to welcome with open arms. The housing crisis has been caused by us allowing too many people in. We need to operate the same way as Australia do. It's just basic commonsense.
We need more social housing around here because young local people cannot afford to buy and this has been the case for many years. Local people should take priority not people from other counties or even other countries.
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That doesn't work though. Without housing medical staff nor teachers would be able to work across the UK. Had there not been housing DH wouldn't have gone to Uni, I wouldn't have worked in Wales nor in the area we eventually moved too. No property, no work opportunity.
It's because Maggie sold Council Houses >:(. Where are 100,000 properties going to be built? Too many on flood plains already :'( and that means new schools, surgeries, hospitals ......... who will finance those properties unless they are Housing Associations or shared ownership?
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A lot of the housing, healthcare, schooling problems have arisen because we are simply over populated surely?
Young girls know by getting pregnant they will be housed too. It's all a complete joke in this country.
I agree with PF x
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The UK is probably under populated. People have always had children :-\ .......... it's lack of housing, not the reasons for babies that's to blame. In the 1970s girls did get onto the housing ladder by getting pregnant but there have been no follow ups as to whether they were married etc..
Councils got wind of that though .
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I need to make a correction. Corbyn actually said he will build 100,000 houses A YEAR for the next 5 years. Where he thinks he is going to build them is another matter as is where is all the money coming from?
I don't know why people close their eyes to the fact that our population has increased by millions over the past few years and they all have to live somewhere. it stands to reason.
it seems to me that if you can flout the rules you will get housed. If families say they are evicting one of their adult children they get a house. If girls get pregnant they get a house, if you trash a privately rented house and don't pay rent you get evicted and then rehoused ..... how crazy is that?
If you sit patiently and wait you get nowhere. One of my nieces and her partner were on the housing list for over 10 years despite both having full time jobs. She was told by the council she was not priority because they had no children. She could easily have made that happen but they wanted to do things in the right order so they continued private renting which was expensive and not very secure. Finally they have got a shared ownership house and now have children but it was a real struggle to get there.
i also know someone who went to the council following a marriage breakdown and he was told he had no chance at all of getting a house as he was “white, single and employed.†He complained and told them he would take his story to the national press. Within a week he was sent a letter saying that if he didn't accept a certain bungalow they were offering him they would remove his name from the housing list. That was a joke because his name wasn't even ON the housing list. They were just worried about being named and shamed. He took the house!
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I have heard several stories like that PF - but the Council properties have been in appalling conditions, in 1 case condemned by that particular Council.
In mainland Europe of course people rent more than buy. Especially in Cities. My idea of .........
The flood plains are already being built over, which leaves where exactly. Politicians are jumping on what they think that the Public wants to hear. Which is what happened when Maggie decided to allow renters to buy Council properties - it was an election year >:(
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It's not just the number of houses, it's the type and quality too.
Around here these featureless new estates have sprung up on boggy wasteland. No shops, no play parks, no school/GPs etc
They look soulless and the outer walls have quickly gone green and streaky due to damp. Depressing places to live.
Been to Sweden a few times and they really know how to build mix used integrated housing areas complete with parks/swimming pools/cafes. Nice places to live where people of different incomes and life stages can mix. It really isn't rocket science and would provide a thriving local economy. Closest things I've seen in UK is Poundbury that Prince Charles was involved in 20 odd years ago.
Problem is councils are looking to reduce the housing list on the cheap. Bids to the lowers contractor etc Not interested in quality of life.
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There doesn't seem to be a lot of green space in Poundbury though :-\
Sweden is hellish expensive to visit!
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I recommend Gothenburg - it is one of the most beautiful towns I have ever visited
and really easy to get around and out to the islands around it. Went in June and got
cheap Easyjet flights. We used the trams/ferrys and ate from these amazing pop up
catering vans - tacos/crepes etc so you can eat cheap although alcohol is expensive.
Lots of outdoor swimming/concerts/parks/museums. Just a gem.
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Suitable for a house filled with menopausal women ;D
I watched a programme about travelling by train across Norway or Sweden :-\ ::) ...... stunning.
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I've been on the train from Oslo to Bergen, did it last summer, absolutely stunning. :)
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Hello ladies.
Public sector housing has to be rationed when demand outstrips supply and I recall that a points system was often used. The more dire your situation, the more points you were awarded which seems reasonable and is similar to the triage system used in medicine. When Thatcher brought in the right to buy scheme public sector housing declined but the government prevented Councils using the money to build more affordable homes to replace the ones sold off. Consequently a buyer's market was created which favoured private landlords and kept all house prices high. The one thing the scheme didn't do was solve the housing shortage.
I think providing good quality public housing is the duty of a decent government and it's a scandal that things have been allowed to become so bad.
Wishing you well ladies.
K.
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Hello ladies.
Public sector housing has to be rationed when demand outstrips supply and I recall that a points system was often used. The more dire your situation, the more points you were awarded which seems reasonable and is similar to the triage system used in medicine. When Thatcher brought in the right to buy scheme public sector housing declined but the government prevented Councils using the money to build more affordable homes to replace the ones sold off. Consequently a buyer's market was created which favoured private landlords and kept all house prices high. The one thing the scheme didn't do was solve the housing shortage.
I think providing good quality public housing is the duty of a decent government and it's a scandal that things have been allowed to become so bad.
Wishing you well ladies.
K.
I agree 100% Kathleen 👍
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I recommend Gothenburg - it is one of the most beautiful towns I have ever visited
and really easy to get around and out to the islands around it. Went in June and got
cheap Easyjet flights. We used the trams/ferrys and ate from these amazing pop up
catering vans - tacos/crepes etc so you can eat cheap although alcohol is expensive.
Lots of outdoor swimming/concerts/parks/museums. Just a gem.
I went there in 2013. I have a friend who lives there and she invited me. I really liked the city but the highlight of my short visit was the boat trip to the Archipelago.
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Hello ladies.
Public sector housing has to be rationed when demand outstrips supply and I recall that a points system was often used. The more dire your situation, the more points you were awarded which seems reasonable and is similar to the triage system used in medicine. When Thatcher brought in the right to buy scheme public sector housing declined but the government prevented Councils using the money to build more affordable homes to replace the ones sold off. Consequently a buyer's market was created which favoured private landlords and kept all house prices high. The one thing the scheme didn't do was solve the housing shortage.
I think providing good quality public housing is the duty of a decent government and it's a scandal that things have been allowed to become so bad.
Wishing you well ladies.
K.
I agree 100% Kathleen 👍
So do I :)
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I need to make a correction. Corbyn actually said he will build 100,000 houses A YEAR for the next 5 years. Where he thinks he is going to build them is another matter as is where is all the money coming from?
I don't know why people close their eyes to the fact that our population has increased by millions over the past few years and they all have to live somewhere. it stands to reason.
it seems to me that if you can flout the rules you will get housed. If families say they are evicting one of their adult children they get a house. If girls get pregnant they get a house, if you trash a privately rented house and don't pay rent you get evicted and then rehoused ..... how crazy is that?
If you sit patiently and wait you get nowhere. One of my nieces and her partner were on the housing list for over 10 years despite both having full time jobs. She was told by the council she was not priority because they had no children. She could easily have made that happen but they wanted to do things in the right order so they continued private renting which was expensive and not very secure. Finally they have got a shared ownership house and now have children but it was a real struggle to get there.
i also know someone who went to the council following a marriage breakdown and he was told he had no chance at all of getting a house as he was “white, single and employed.†He complained and told them he would take his story to the national press. Within a week he was sent a letter saying that if he didn't accept a certain bungalow they were offering him they would remove his name from the housing list. That was a joke because his name wasn't even ON the housing list. They were just worried about being named and shamed. He took the house!
Once I agree with you PF
back in 1986 when I was 19 and getting married I applied to the council to be told unless I get pregnant before the wedding I won't get a house, I wanted to get the wedding over with first so we applied to buy and thankfully managed it
Fast forward to 2009, I fled an abusive relationship and ended up sofa surfing . I asked the council and they said at 43 and working I have zero chance of being housed. So I had to stay at family/friends for the unforeseeable future, one friend I stayed at had 4 teenage daughters, 3 got pregnant close together, never worked in their lives and Lo and behold all got housed !!! I never did x
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Well done on leaving Annie! Different Councils have different schemes.
We need more Council flats and not new builds of 3+ bedrooms which are out of financial reach for most. I couldn't afford to move into our village now :-\ and after renting for 4 years, we bought our 1st semi - £16,000 :o ::)
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The population explosion has caused house price inflation, it has nothing to do with selling off council houses (which I didn't agree with). Private landlords starting renting houses out because of a change in the law with ASTs which stopped lifelong tenancies at a peppercorn rent. No country can cope with millions of immigrants in a short space of time and we are suffering the consequences. They need houses, doctors appointments, school places etc etc so of course all these things are overwhelmed. Ruining our countryside with miles and miles of urban sprawl isn't the answer, we need to limit the population increase instead.
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The reason our house prices are so high, compared to other European countries, is that there is a housing shortage in general. Solve that and it relieves the pressure.
Social housing has always been allocated on a points system and children and the vulnerable are always at the top of the list.
Most immigrants live in privately rented accommodation.
Housing associations no longer get the grants that they used to from the government. Therefore they have to build private and shared ownership houses to fund social housing and this reduces the quantity available.
Councils are hindered by government when it comes to the building of new council houses.
Families living in temporary accommodation is at an all time high, so why would councils be able to house single employed people??
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The Council Estates that we lived on were cul-de-sacs. Both at Numbers 3 and 4 in different villages. We never knew those at the bottom ::). After the right to buy went through the remaining houses were used for problem families. So yep, cars on bricks, oil on the roads, grubby curtains :-\.
A mixed housing estate was built in our area 15 years ago: 1 bus in and 1 home daily. No playground for the kids. No GP surgery etc.. In the middle of no-where ......... young people felt very isolated. 10 miles from the nearest village with facilities.
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The population explosion has caused house price inflation, it has nothing to do with selling off council houses (which I didn't agree with). Private landlords starting renting houses out because of a change in the law with ASTs which stopped lifelong tenancies at a peppercorn rent. No country can cope with millions of immigrants in a short space of time and we are suffering the consequences. They need houses, doctors appointments, school places etc etc so of course all these things are overwhelmed. Ruining our countryside with miles and miles of urban sprawl isn't the answer, we need to limit the population increase instead.
Agree 100% Sheila!
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It isn't possible to stop population growth. Even China didn't succeed in their 1-child policy. And if there is a tragedy such as Aberfan or War, whole generations disappear.
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You can't stop people having children (except in China) but we can stop rampant immigration. It isn't the natural slow increase that's caused the problem,it's millions of immigrants in a short space of time. They all need somewhere to live whether it's rented, council or owned. Demand outstrips supply so the price goes up and everyone who didn't buy their home years ago suffers.
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House prices have been too high for decades.
One of the most important changes is 'one person' households. People are choosing to remain single. Marriages break up and also the increasing elderly population, all mean less family homes.
I personally don't believe immigration to be the cause at all.
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I don't believe that immigration has much impact .......... because the people are in and out of the UK all the while. The numbers are not often published in the Press so we can't get an overall record.
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So if they don't live in houses where exactly do they live?? How can we possibly have millions more people and and expect it not to make any difference?
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/
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We build more houses 🏘. Simples :)
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We build more houses 🏘. Simples :)
How short sighted can you get? Perhaps you don't care about the countryside and the environment but some of us do.
I'm glad you've admitted that's the reason why we're building thousands more houses though.
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We build more houses 🏘. Simples :)
How short sighted can you get? You obviously don't care about the countryside and the environment but some of us do.
Sheila99, just because I disagree with you there is no need to be rude ::)
I live in a far more densely populated area than you do and only around 8% of the UK is built on. People need houses, end of in my opinion.
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We build more houses . Simples :)
How short sighted can you get? Perhaps you don't care about the countryside and the environment but some of us do.
I'm glad you've admitted that's the reason why we're building thousands more houses though.
Don't quite get your last point. No point in building houses that are not needed. ???
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We build more houses 🏘. Simples :)
How short sighted can you get? You obviously don't care about the countryside and the environment but some of us do.
Sheila99, just because I disagree with you there is no need to be rude ::)
I live in a far more densely populated area than you do and only around 8% of the UK is built on. People need houses, end of in my opinion.
It wasn't your opinion I objected to, you're entitled to think anything you like. It's that you denied the inescapable fact that millions of immigrants is resulting in rampant house building.
You make it sound as though there's plenty of land left. There isn't. We're already less than 50% self sufficient in food and the land they're building on is all the best, most productive land. In terms of food production it can produce many times more than the uplands that are left. ATM we can import food but with a rising world population and more catastrophic climate events that won't always be the case
I edited the post above before I saw this reply. I changed 'obvious' to 'perhaps'. If you live in an urban environment perhaps you don't see the impact it's having on the countryside.
to answer your latest point - when I said we have million of immigrants who need housing you said the answer is we build more houses, so it seems you do understand that immigrants = house building.
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Building more appropriate houses, maybe? In small groups to generate a feeling of community. It is said that when the tenements etc. were pulled down, people lost contact with each other and a specific way of Life.
Net migration is down. Therefore less requirement for new houses. There are many 1,000s for sale and/or empty across the UK, many with absent Landlords. There are many that have been bought by Arabs that stand empty ........ OK those are out of most persons' pockets but the fact remains.
I couldn't live in a flat. Don't like heights ;D nor would I live anywhere without a garden. Or allotments.
Stellajane - there is no designated 'old age' apart from the phrase. So eventually 1 would require sheltered housing with pull cords :-\ or 1 would have to move again. House prices aren't high, it's supply and demand. I would like to see houses the same price across the country, regardless: i.e. a 2 bedroom house with small garden £X, an 8 bedroom property with woodland, £KX .........
Sheila - I travel to the Fens on a monthly basis, the most productive growing land in Europe and properties are not being built there. In-fill maybe but certainly not in the fields. Which currently stand in water but that's another topic ! Have a 'chat' with Nicholas at : bugga, forgotten the farm name : but if you send him a query regarding food production he is likely to reply promptly. He also has open days on his farm, not far from Spalding. I meet with him at Bird Fair and have his monthly e-mail. Deeping St . :-\ .......... bugga mind's gone blank .
Immigration isn't pushing house building. European Government is, however. We are having to meet quotas that are certainly not necessary though most new-builds are bought: then the owners find out the snagging problems rarely get done. [long story short]. In my area the water authority insists that there is no more capacity but I don't see them turning down water rates from the new Estates!! nor are they blamed for any flooding problems that occur.
We have never been 100% sufficient in food stuffs. If we were it would cut out a lot of fruit for example that we cannot, due to our climate, produce. Potatoes currently are not being drilled due to flooded fields so we will have to import them.
Let's fill the houses that are empty? Let the Government take responsibility for finding absent Landlords, as well as filling flats in towns that remain empty over shops. Easier though to allow the big building Companies to buy up land in the 1990s and then build once the by-passes have been pushed through land. Don't get me started on HS2 :cuss:
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CLKD, house building quotas are nothing to do with the EU ???
Sheila, I live in the countryside and we have three new housing developments nearby. We may buy on one of them.
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They were to do with. Years++ ago. One of the issues that the UK had to agree to that was pushed under the carpet ......... a % housing was insisted upon.
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I don't think so. It's domestic policy and nothing to do with the EU. Where did you get the info from??
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My Planning Office many years ago! and local builders. Straight from the horses' .......
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Umm, I can't find anything at all so I think you have missed remembered. It sounds like another 'Euromyth'. Sorry, unless I have proof I don't believe it. :-\
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-announces-ambitious-plan-to-build-the-homes-britain-needs
Nothing about the EU in the above.
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Your choice but I don't expect my Planning Office nor builders to lie to me.
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We build more houses 🏘. Simples :)
How short sighted can you get? You obviously don't care about the countryside and the environment but some of us do.
Sheila99, just because I disagree with you there is no need to be rude ::)
I live in a far more densely populated area than you do and only around 8% of the UK is built on. People need houses, end of in my opinion.
It wasn't your opinion I objected to, you're entitled to think anything you like. It's that you denied the inescapable fact that millions of immigrants is resulting in rampant house building.
You make it sound as though there's plenty of land left. There isn't. We're already less than 50% self sufficient in food and the land they're building on is all the best, most productive land. In terms of food production it can produce many times more than the uplands that are left. ATM we can import food but with a rising world population and more catastrophic climate events that won't always be the case
I edited the post above before I saw this reply. I changed 'obvious' to 'perhaps'. If you live in an urban environment perhaps you don't see the impact it's having on the countryside.
to answer your latest point - when I said we have million of immigrants who need housing you said the answer is we build more houses, so it seems you do understand that immigrants = house building.
I am with you on this Sheila. Over the years we have taken in Ugandan Asians, Indians, West Indians, Vietnamese, Chinese, Congolese, Roma, East Europeans etc but there comes a time when you have to pull up the drawbridge like other countries do. We should get our country all sorted before we accept more people in who ARE a drain on our hospitals, council houses, schools etc.
Before anybody starts on me, I lived and worked in Leicester for 16 years and worked closely with the Ugandan Asians who arrived with a few quid and a suitcase when Idi Amin threw them out. I visited the families, went to schools and helped with employment and they were lovely, well educated, hardworking people, a few of whom I am still in touch with today!
But that was nearly 50 years ago 😱 and we had room then and times were different.
All the ladies on here have a housekeeping budget and it stands to reason that if more people join our household there are more mouths to feed and higher bills all round. We can't just afford to squash other friends or relatives into our homes because it will overstretch the budget and put a serious strain on everybody else. this country has the same problems but on a much more massive scale. Surely we can all relate to that?
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Hi girls,
It's a double edge sword. Immigrants also have a critical role on many public services, including the NHS.
https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/blog/how-important-is-immigration-for-nhs-nursing/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nurses-nhs-workforce-care-staff-healthcare-assistants-funding-a9220561.html
Everything in life has to be balanced.
BeaR.
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Hi girls,
It's a double edge sword. Immigrants also have a critical role on many public services, including the NHS.
https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/blog/how-important-is-immigration-for-nhs-nursing/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nurses-nhs-workforce-care-staff-healthcare-assistants-funding-a9220561.html
Everything in life has to be balanced.
BeaR.
We know all that BeaR and a fine job they do too but it is immigrant medical staff treating increasing immigrant patients really isn't it?
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Hi girls,
It's a double edge sword. Immigrants also have a critical role on many public services, including the NHS.
https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/blog/how-important-is-immigration-for-nhs-nursing/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nurses-nhs-workforce-care-staff-healthcare-assistants-funding-a9220561.html
Everything in life has to be balanced.
BeaR.
Very good points Bear
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Those turned out by Idi Amin had British Passports. :-\ as did many from Kenya over the years ....... and many have done jobs in the UK that locals wouldn't take on.
Those living on Support are often a drain too, many never having worked or paid into the system. Now into 3rd/4th generations of households not working but living on Support. But still expecting free housing, health care, supplemented LA taxes .........
The problem has been no border control. So many peoples come/go without being counted in/out .......... but the net migration is apparently down according to today's News.
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Found this for you CLKD. Took some searching.
Although housing and housing rights as such are not formally a European Union competence, there are still several tools at EU level which relate in one way or another to the right to housing. These include the:
EU Charter of Fundamental Rights
Treaty of the EU
Anti-discrimination legislation
EU Agency for Fundamental Rights
http://housingrightswatch.org/page/eu-housing-rights
Nothing to do with quotas though. ;)
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:thankyou: not getting on with the jigsaw then ;D
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I've nearly done the edging. :)
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Those turned out by Idi Amin had British Passports. :-\ as did many from Kenya over the years ....... and many have done jobs in the UK that locals wouldn't take on.
Those living on Support are often a drain too, many never having worked or paid into the system. Now into 3rd/4th generations of households not working but living on Support. But still expecting free housing, health care, supplemented LA taxes .........
The problem has been no border control. So many peoples come/go without being counted in/out .......... but the net migration is apparently down according to today's News.
Correction CLKD. Most of them had British passports but not all of them. Leicester alone took 10,000 Ugandan Asians most of whom were well educated and hardworking as I said earlier.
they had anything of value taken off them before they left Uganda although many of them told me that they had buried money, jewellery etc and vowed to one day go back and find it. I have often wondered whether they did.
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How many pieces Shadyglade?
PF - I sit corrected :-X
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1000 so should keep me quiet for a bit.
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In 1999 we were given 1 with 6,000 pieces ??? still in the box . The idea was to put a large table in the garage but those 'plans' went astray when I bought a camper van ;D ..........
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The migration figures aren't as comforting as they sound, it was still 226,000. Plus a presumably unknown number illegals (probably a lot more than anyone imagined, the 39 sadly found dead in the lorry was supposedly in Fleet of 3 lorries, circa 100 people in just one drop). So another 100,000 houses just for them then.
We've lived on foreign workers in the NHS for many years. It's beyond me why no one thought before to train more of our own people to be doctors or nurses. There's no shortage of people wanting to be doctors.
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The migration figures aren't as comforting as they sound, it was still 226,000. Plus a presumably unknown number illegals (probably a lot more than anyone imagined, the 39 sadly found dead in the lorry was supposedly in Fleet of 3 lorries, circa 100 people in just one drop). So another 100,000 houses just for them then.
We've lived on foreign workers in the NHS for many years. It's beyond me why no one thought before to train more of our own people to be doctors or nurses. There's no shortage of people wanting to be doctors.
I agree with you Sheila. One of my oldest friends is West Indian and she came here in the early 50s as a small child. Her Mum was a nurse and came to work here as were several of her Aunts. the West Indies supplied many, many nurses for this country.
There has long been far too few training courses for our own young people to enter the medical profession. Why haven't any government just got on with it rather than bringing them in from other countries like West Indies, Portugal, Spain, India? Makes no sense to me either especially since there is often a language barrier.
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People have to have a Degree now, one can't walk into an Auxillary job as they no longer exist. That was the way in for many Nurses, who decided that they liked Nursing and could begin a career. Of course machinery has improved in leaps and bounds and not many wanted or could monitor some of the very detailed machines so decided not to go into Nursing. NHS morale is low too, not encouraging either.
People don't get housed immediately they enter the UK but are held in Centres to be processed.
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IMO making nursing equivalent to a degree was a big mistake. There are many skills you need to be good nurse - caring, empathetic, attention to detail, observant - the ability to solve quadratic equations isn't one of them.
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People have to have a Degree now, one can't walk into an Auxillary job as they no longer exist. That was the way in for many Nurses, who decided that they liked Nursing and could begin a career. Of course machinery has improved in leaps and bounds and not many wanted or could monitor some of the very detailed machines so decided not to go into Nursing. NHS morale is low too, not encouraging either.
People don't get housed immediately they enter the UK but are held in Centres to be processed.
I can't see what that's got to do with anything CLKD. If they need a degree, they need a degree whatever country they come from. We should be training more nurses in our own country.
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PF - you seem to have missed my point. Many are not choosing nursing as a career because they need a Degree ........ instead of entering at a basic level and deciding to carry on taking their SE and SRN certs.. Having a Degree does not a carer make.
sheila99 - it was a HUGE mistake. Got rid of a level of caring. Means that the level of auxiliary was never filled because there was a gap whilst people had to do their Degrees.
Nurses entering the UK do not usually require Degree level.
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PF - you seem to have missed my point. Many are not choosing nursing as a career because they need a Degree ........ instead of entering at a basic level and deciding to carry on taking their SE and SRN certs.. Having a Degree does not a carer make.
sheila99 - it was a HUGE mistake. Got rid of a level of caring. Means that the level of auxiliary was never filled because there was a gap whilst people had to do their Degrees.
Nurses entering the UK do not usually require Degree level.
No I didn't miss the point.
I agree with you both, it was a big mistake making nurses have a degree.
There are still Healthcare Assistants who do the kind of job Auxiliary Nurses did years ago.
Your last sentence surely cannot be right or it makes a mockery of our nurses needing degrees.
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Well, those that I am in contact with that come from the Philippines etc. don't need Degrees, the UK is so short that they can work here without for a few years B4 returning 'home'.
When my sister and her husband went to Canada, he had a job but had to re-sit many of the Degrees he had already obtained here in the UK! She didn't bother ........
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I don't believe the qualifications are equal. They definitely aren't for vets and they are from Europe where equivalence is more tightly controlled than the rest of the world.
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Well as another aside: across the road, literally, 250 new houses >:( are being built on what was scrub/woodland. For over 40 years this land has stood vacant. Since April we have had badgers in our Estate, this morning a jay in our garden ......... being forced to find other places to live; fortunately the badgers haven't bothered to dig under the fences into our garden but were seen fighting next door. Hence the lack of hedgehogs ......
I could smell dog fox last week too.
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I thought you were all for increasing the population? This is the inevitable result.
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Where'd you get that idea from ::). Now I'm confused more than ever ..........
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This is an interesting article today.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/03/at-least-135000-children-in-britain-will-be-homeless-at-christmas
Surely a very good reason for building more houses??
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It's an extremely good reason why we should have fewer immigrants. And title should say 'in temporary accomodation', to me homeless means no home at all, a temporary home is still a home. Interesting that the worst affected areas are also ones with high immigrant populations.
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Often temporary is better than what the family has left.
The UK is built on immigration and I expect housing is much more available than centuries ago when much larger families than we have now shared rooms as well as not having access to bathrooms and toilets were across the yard regardless of the weather.
The UK has an ageing population where many are getting divorced in their 50s onwards. We don't want to move, we paid for our property and it is full and well used. Eventually we will need to move.
But Mum's house has been on the market for nearly 2 years along with others across the UK - so we aren't as short of properties as its made out. Otherwise Agents would no longer exist!
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This is an interesting article today.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/03/at-least-135000-children-in-britain-will-be-homeless-at-christmas
Surely a very good reason for building more houses??
Many of these families who become homeless do so because they don't pay their rent but choose to spend their money on things like Sky TV, mobile phones, cigarettes, alcohol etc. It was a very bad move when the benefits people stopped paying the money direct to the landlord but gave it to the tenant! That is absolute madness.
As part of his work my husband visits approx 10 homes every day. Not a week passes when he comes home with stories of designer buggies, wide screen TVs, the whole family on Ipads, pedigree dogs costing thousands, takeaways, but they wait for him to do the work and then say they will send the money on saying they are a bit short this week! Very often we chase the money for months and sometimes don't get it at all. That is how they live their lives .... the things they MUST have come first and they don't pay tradesmen or rent.
If they paid their rent then they wouldn't be homeless. Nobody would kick a good tenant out.
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But surely social pays for the wide screen, designer dogs etc.? ::)
It takes a lot to have renters in, it is no longer open the door and provide a bit of furniture. Now Landlords have to provide fire certs. etc. quite rightly. Saftey should be paramount. Trouble is, renters take landlords for granted. We paid directly to the Landlady every month.
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https://england.shelter.org.uk/donate?reserved_appeal_code=20190401-DF-11&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CN_TgP-qmuYCFcbMGwod
Just in case anyone wants to donate. :)
Other charities are available.
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But surely social pays for the wide screen, designer dogs etc.? ::)
It takes a lot to have renters in, it is no longer open the door and provide a bit of furniture. Now Landlords have to provide fire certs. etc. quite rightly. Saftey should be paramount. Trouble is, renters take landlords for granted. We paid directly to the Landlady every month.
Whatever money they get whether social pay or they work or they steal it, they should damned well pay their rent first! they have their priorities wrong.
We are landlords but have wonderful tenants. We don't have to provide fire certificates ... I believe that's just in Houses of Multiple Occupancy. I do everything by the letter and have done for many years. My daughter and her boyfriend would actually like to rent our other house but our tenants have been there 8 years and never been any trouble so no way would I end their tenancy. If tenants are good they don't end up homeless.
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www.mungos.org
This one I have donated to for many years. They do a terrific job and it's that time of year for remembering those less fortunate than ourselves.
My youngest son enquired about volunteering at Christmas, but there are waiting lists for this. So it seems donations are the way to go.
Just to add, I have just been watching News night and one of the major causes of homelessness is domestic violence. Shocking.
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Or if you want to support more deserving cases - those who have no control over their own destiny and work hard all day in the blazing sun, often in pain and starving - try this one https://m.facebook.com/princefluffykareem/ it's where my Xmas donation goes.
If you want to INCREASE homelessness support shelter. They support abolishing section 21 (no fault) termination of tenancies, so the landlord either has a tenant for life or an expensive and lengthy court case (around 7 months). This is too much risk for many landlords who will sell up. It's already happening in Scotland, the number of rental properties has decreased since s21 was abolished there. The law of unintended consequences....
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Or if you want to support more deserving cases - those who have no control over their own destiny and work hard all day in the blazing sun, often in pain and starving - try this one https://m.facebook.com/princefluffykareem/ it's where my Xmas donation goes.
If you want to INCREASE homelessness support shelter. They support abolishing section 21 (no fault) termination of tenancies, so the landlord either has a tenant for life or an expensive and lengthy court case (around 7 months). This is too much risk for many landlords who will sell up. It's already happening in Scotland, the number of rental properties has decreased since s21 was abolished there. The law of unintended consequences....
We support a small local horse charity Sheila. We take a couple of bags of feed rather than giving cash. We are down to one horse now as our other horse was sadly PTS just before Xmas last year. We also give them rugs and horse blankets we no longer need.
This year I am not sending cards but giving donation in lieu to Alzheimers Charity as my Mum has that and its terrible.
Back to housing again and I saw that Corbyn wants to give private tenants the right to buy!!! I have never read anything so ridiculous in my life!! I am convinced he is insane.
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Sadly many women stay with violent partners as there is a threat to pets ......... Dogs Trust [I think] were setting up refuges for pets which would then be fostered by people until the woman/children were settled. I know that my Dad would threaten our dog when he was really angry ......
Thanks for all the ideas. I think 1 has to decide now if 1 wants to volunteer so that the various police checks can be done. Maybe look at a Church support group who do soup kitchens etc.? and offer services in the year so that 1 knows the routine.
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PF I don't think that made it into the manifesto. He wasn't just talking about the right buy, it was to be at a discount. One way to make sure there are no rental properties available! I think I'm fairly safe, I doubt any of my tenants could come up with the deposit unless he's going to give them that too.
Do you still ride or is your remaining horse retired? I usually think charity begins at home but the working horses in Egypt are in such a dreadful state, there wasn't one I saw that didn't have ribs showing and many were badly lame.
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PF I don't think that made it into the manifesto. He wasn't just talking about the right buy, it was to be at a discount. One way to make sure there are no rental properties available! I think I'm fairly safe, I doubt any of my tenants could come up with the deposit unless he's going to give them that too.
Do you still ride or is your remaining horse retired? I usually think charity begins at home but the working horses in Egypt are in such a dreadful state, there wasn't one I saw that didn't have ribs showing and many were badly lame.
thank god it didn't then Sheila! We have another house we rent out but our tenants are excellent so I would never get rid of them but I wouldn't want them to have the right to buy it at a knockdown price either.
My daughter still rides but not as often as she used to when my husband rode his horse with her. I have seen reports about those poor horses in Egypt. It's just awful.
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There is an international horse charity as well as the Donkey Sanctuary for anyone worried about animals in distress abroad. Crky, that's a meander ;D