Menopause Matters Forum
General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: CLKD on September 23, 2019, 05:49:58 PM
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Could Labour really abolish private schools? That's the big question after the party's conference voted to "integrate" private schools into the state sector.
The plan would see the assets of private schools "redistributed".
Universities would have a quota imposed of admitting no more than 7% of their students from private schools, so their numbers were in keeping with their proportion in the overall school population.
And private schools would lose their charitable status and tax exemptions.
It will be health care targeted next >:(
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I don't think it's possible to ban public schools. I think the only thing they could do is remove their charitable status, which would certainly make things difficult for them.
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Didn't work out well for Zimbabwe when Mugabe did the same with land.
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Did Tony Blair make a similar suggestion ::)
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Did Tony Blair make a similar suggestion ::)
Not as far as I'm aware. Sounds a bit too left wing for him and he was never that. Didn't his kids go to public school.?
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Yes, his kids went to public school. So did dianne abbot's but she still wants to end it for everyone else. Many other equally hypocritical Labour MPs who've done the same. But imo this is worse, it isn't just closing them down or removing charitable status, they want to steal their property too.
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Mmmm! Doing away with personal choice. If I could have afforded it my son would have gone to a private special school as his needs were not being met. Maybe I couldn't afford it, but I don't begrudge those who can.
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Same here Stella ............
Don't do as I do, do as I tell you seems to be the mantra of all Political Parties >:(
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Me too, always voted Labour in the past wouldn't now,in fact i wouldn't know who to vote for now
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Same here jaycee ........
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As a retired secondary teacher, having taught in 3 state schools for most of my 36 years, to improve the failing state schools and show the hard working teachers (most of us were/are) how valued they are, I feel that the answer is simple - reduce class sizes - simple as that. It would improve everything but mainly for the pupils who deserve the best education the UK can offer. Private schools don't bother me - if parents have enough money and want to keep their children in a "separate" world from us ordinary (and wonderful) human beings, let them keep their blinkered view of life. Just my opinion :)
Padine xx
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As the mother of a child who was state educated until 3 years imo the one thing that would improve it is discipline. Not the teacher's fault as they have few options available but it only takes one child to disrupt an entire class. I'm lucky she wants to learn, she got frustrated by lessons being continually interrupted. I don't want to pay for private education, I only do it so she has the best start in life I can provide. If I thought she'd get a good education at the local state school she'd still be there.
They're starting at the wrong end of this equation, the aim should be to improve state education not to drag others down, that's the politics of envy.
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Get rid of the OFSTED visits!
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My late sister was a teacher,she left for a few years to have her children and when she went back,she only stayed for two years as she said it wasn't about teaching any more,she felt like a glorified babysitter
I wish I could've paid for private education for my daughter,her school failed her,her English teacher who was so angry with the noise in the classroom said,â€those of you who want to learn,please come and sit at the left side of the classroom but my daughter said it was impossible to concentrate with the level of noise,truly shocking
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It will be health care targeted next >:(
Quite - that is exactly what's going to happen (that it's going to be targeted) - but not by labour. Anyone who really cares about the future of our NHS should know who not to vote for...
Hurdity x
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Who says private health care won't be next? Many ladies on this forum have felt they've had to go to a private doctor to get adequate treatment for meno symptoms.
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Who said anything about private health care? I was referring to potential tory trade deals with US over pharmaceuticals and what could happen to the NHS and its effect on ordinary people. If THEY get in with a majority and the bit fat B word happens I don't trust them to maintain the NHS as we know it - or rather the best bits of it. That's far more important and significant than anything to do with existing private health care I would say (except it shouldn't need to exist). I don't know the details at all but nothing I've heard has been positive.
Anyway I thought we weren't discussing politics or religion - according to the Election thread yesterday but you;ve started another one CLKD ;D
Hurdity x
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It's up to each parent how they choose to educate their children whether that's state, private or home schooling and Corbyn should butt out. he was privately educated for some time himself but it did him no good with just scraping ONE O level. ;D ;D Diane Abbott refused to send her son to local schools and sent him privately. So it's OK for them but not the rest of us. ::)
What kind of warped mind would even WANT to suggest that parents shouldn't have a choice in how they educate their offspring? He won't be happy until all kids are wearing Lenin caps and military uniforms.
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;D
Hurdityx
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;D be prepared for World War III Teresa ;D
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Hang on to it, might be worth something in an auction ;D
Nowt to do with me Hurdity :-\
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Sorry Hurdity, as this thread was about private education when CLKD mentioned healthcare I didn't check the post, just assumed it was about private health care.
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It's OK we likes a meander ;)
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Sheila, I absolutely agree with you - discipline IS what needs to improve - at home as well as in the classroom. If I had gone home saying a teacher had given me a row or punishment of some kind, my parents would have seen red with me.
During the summer holidays a court awarded a sacked teacher £60,000 for loss of earnings. He was sacked by the Head Teacher because a pupil's mother had complained of the way in which sacked teacher had spoken to said pupil. Said pupil had refused to do work (or homework) and was told off accordingly. The Report claimed that this was work for an forthcoming exam; the school was a fee paying, private school, approx 30 miles from where I live.
I taught at a rough school where classes were approx 30 pupils each. The kids there were rough diamonds! If I gave someone a telling off they sulked a bit then got on with their work, behavior was usually fine after that. A similar sized "better" school I taught in was not so pleasant to teach in, and if I had to give a pupil a row, then the parent would invariably phone or write to HT saying how unfair that Ms P should dare talk to Little XYZ, and HT should take note. Of course, these parents wouldn't come to see me at Parent's Night.
Maybe if education was left alone and to the people who had been trained in Education Practices, things may improve..................but that is a big "MAY" !! :-\ End of lecture!
Padine x
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It's all too Pc now,when my sister was teaching,there was this rowdy boy,always disrupting the class,he told my sister to F off and headed out the door,my sister went to stop him and he said,if you touch me I'll get you sacked,she let him past,next thing she knew his mother was on the phone to headmaster cursing and swearing,asking why her son was seen walking down the road,teachers just can't win,that's why she eventually stopped teaching
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I bet your sister was a fabulous teacher Jaypo - that little s***e is the loser in the end. Time that more Head teachers grew a backbone and supported their staff. Had I been clever enough to be a HT, I would have backed up my staff and any moaning parents would not be allowed to swear to me, never mind be disrespecting of the staff. Too many young inexperienced HTs nowadays wanting promotion at all costs!
Off my soapbox now :peace:
Padine xx
PS what about a new Lady PM? :ola:
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Been there ............
How about a female PM with menopause :D
Kids know too much these days.
I think the problem is the rowdiness which covers a lot of problems that children are facing at home/peer group. A teacher that I know would sit in the class 12/13 year olds if the kids were rioting and read. Eventually 1 child would be aware that she wasn't taking notice. As the class became quiet because their actions hadn't gained the response they expected:
"I am paid to be here. I would like to teach you all. If however, you don't want to learn in my Class that's fine. That is your choice. You want to become adults, then start acting like adults. You will miss so much by not listening to your peer group, your teachers, youth workers but that is your choice." She came from an inner City area and refused to be drawn into their behaviour. She always spoke quietly. Rarely shouted but boy if she did :o
After a couple of weeks each new Term the kids began to take notice.
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She was a really good teacher,sadly passed away,her headmaster did back her but she just had enough,she couldn't do the job she loved or was trained to do,it's ok if you're in a school in a great area but they are far and few between .