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Menopause Discussion => Personal Experiences => Topic started by: Karen max on August 04, 2019, 09:22:26 AM
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Hi folks
Me again , last few days I have been feeling so bad my anxiety is through the roof and heart racing like crazy .
I finished the provera 2 weeks ago and my period has gone 3 days but honestly beginning to think it's linked to provera ( I could be wrong ) but looking something to blame as I've nit had this high anxiety in so long
Anyone else find provera done the same to them ?
Kaz xx
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Hi! When does the anxiety strike? Is it background all the while or cyclical? Some find keeping a mood/food/syptom diary useful.
Maybe put the product name into the search box to see what pops up?
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There isn't a pattern for it to appear seems anxiety only hit me when I became post menopause (almost 6 yrs ago) yes I'm on 2 pumps of gel mirning and night when have really helped me from April when I started it , the provera never has agreed with he but I've pushed on with it as it's only 12 days and side effects I can cope with but this anxiety and racing heart drives he crazy , that's first it's been here in months
I'm also on antidepressants whuch I've been on for years
Guess it's just another part of this bloody wonderful journey of the hated menopause 😡
Hopefully as the days goes by I will feel less anxious 😩
Kaz xx
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even knowing what causes my anxiety doesn't help when it hits as it's physical .........
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Birdy
It stopped 11 days ago , I honestly not blaming the provera on all of the anxiety as the reason I started hrt was for anxiety and it has helped , I'm just wondering can stopping and starting it cause this bloody anxiety, the hrt clinic told me to use the provera every other month for 12 days to to stop lining of womb thicking as I'm waiting on surgery to have prolapse repair and womb removal.
My post menopause send to have brought the anxiety as I never suffered anxiety in my life until around 5 yrs ago
There is definitely no pattern in it as I do keep notes and it's been under control for months now but last night was unreal the minute I hit into bed it started and didn't let up the whole night , I don't feel as bad now but now my tummy is turning over like nervous feeling
Honestly thus menois really getting me down , it's been going on for yrs or I meno from I was 39 and periods stopped when I was 46 I'm now 52 and things are getting worse instead of better !!
Bloody nightmare to say the least
Kaz xx
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Karen - You asked if anyone had that on Provera - I have posted many times that it was the worst thing I have taken on my meno journey. It wasn't just anxiety off the scale I would say it was almost bordering on paranoia. I managed 6 weeks (I was supposed to be taking it continuously) and then there is a post on here called "screaming inside". The lovely ladies on here told me to stop it so I did and went to utrogestan on a cycle and became so much better.
Birdy - hang on in there, the anxiety will lessen honest. x
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Hello ladies .... am also currently in a cycle of awful anxiety. Cut down on hrt over last 7 months and had been fine, but then suddenly bang .... feelings of just about to go over the edge into total panic cane from nowhere. I now feel wired most of the time and have constant hissing in my ears which is a new thing 🤬 Back on 2 pumps of Oestrogel and ready to up the utrogestan to 200mgs from day 15 again. I'm 59 now and I really believed I was over the worst of it but seems
Not!! Seeing GP tomorrow, maybe I need an SSRI again to cut through this cortisol (if that's what it is). Hold on tight everyone, these ‘phases' do come and go but appreciate when you're in the middle of them it makes life pretty miserable xx
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An anti-anxiety maybe? :-\ ......... if anxiety is the problem.
Early morning wakening in the 1990s left me deeply afraid :'(
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Hi CLKD, i thought SSRIs were for anxiety? I can't take beta blockers, lower my BP too much, even on 10mgs! Used to be able to tolerate them before menopause but not now 🤷♀️
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Some ADs have been found to ease anxiety ....... and are less addictive than anti-anxiety meds might be. Appropriate medication for the causation though?
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Birdy you are changing from one thing to another, continuous to cycle - its going to upset the apple cart. Progesterone when taken orally is supposed to help sleep so I don't think it is withdrawal as it seems more women than not can't tolerate it. It makes them depressed. The only progesterone withdrawal I get is that I feel better when it stops. Mind you I only get problems from about day 7 of the cycle when I start to get teary and a bit down but nothing like before.
The anaesthetic will be playing its part and I bet you got wound up before the procedure which wont have helped. x
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Ladybt
I go to see my GP on 2nd Sep and thankfully I won't have to take provera before then , I phoned asked for callback from GP which hrt clinic told me to do , explained to reception what hrt told me , long story short .. I didn't get the call back but my GP stopped me hrt altogether until I see her on 2nd Sep so after a full screaming match down phone to GP surgery I ended up telling them to keep me on the same hrt hrt clinic has given me , so until I see GP on 2nd il stick with the gel as it's really helping the flushes not doing much for the tears and mood but better than nothing
My GP is clueless regarding hrt but noway was I stopping the bloody thing until Sep, I've waited yrs to get one that helps me , staff nurse at hrt told me on phone " it's easy ask GP to change you to different tab and if any problems get her to phone us "
Haha bloody joke that seems to be a little hard to understand as GP was just so willing to stop it all 😡
Honestly I'm so angry I can't wait until I see her on 2nd Sep p,us I don't understand why hrt clinic discharged me after seeing me once ?
All don't make sense to me but at this mines and time nothing makes sense to my mushy brain
Kaz xx
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Oh Karen - Meno is difficult enough without all the hassle idiot GP's cause on top of it. Shame that its not until September you go to see your GP you might have calmed down by then. I find it easier to tacke them if I have steam coming out of my ears! >:(
Its not your brain that's up the left its the stupid system or lack of it!
I'd be phoning the HRT clinic back and going "its easy is it?? - well I have to tell you, it's flaming not...I want a note for my GP to tell them to change the tablet...not flaming stop everything altogether". They need a kick up the backside too to understand that with idiot GP's nothing is easy at all and they are the ones who can help and support you in this, so they should pull their finger out!
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Ladybt
I honestly am so annoyed at hrt for discharging me so soon , when I asked when I'd been discharged her reply was "because your having surgery soon "
I've already been waiting 4 yrs on this bloody surgery 😡
No il be fine when I go to see GP and my fuse is very short (always has been ) so I'm going ready for attack also want to know why I'd to wait almost 7 weeks to get appointment to see her in first place 😡
I'm nit due to take provera until Sep so hopefully when I see her face to face she can do the simple task of changing the provera for me.
I know it's only 12 days I've to take it but from the 2nd I feel crap then I wait until period arrives which lasted 11 days so really it's like 24-25 days feeling crap as the period isn't light it's heavy abdmy mood drops so bloody low with it
Il keep you posted on how I get on ..
Thank you fir your support
Kaz xx
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Sounds like high cortisol. You are making cortisol at the wrong times and too much of it. Your symptoms are just like mine.
How's your diet?
Keeping blood sugar stable, avoiding sugar, processed carbs, alcohol, will help. Sorry to repeat the same old advice but basically, try doing anything that soothes you. And if you don't already, get magnesium and take lots of it. It will help relax you and help your hormone balance too. Avoid mag citrate though as it has a laxative effect.
Read, draw, meditate, bathe, go walking, anything. Any kind of exercise will also help lower cortisol levels.
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Hi Birdy, can i ask which magnesium you recommend, defo need something that doesn't upset tummy. Are there any other side effects when taking it? Thank you x
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Hi
My diet is good , I'm careful what I eat and I try to get as much excerise as I can , I suffer fibromyalgia and arthritis so at times I can't get much excerise fir few days but definitely I watch my diet .
GP told he to avoid magnesium as I'm also on high blood pressure meds ( tho I honestly can't find a link to using using causing any probs ) but he's the GP so he knows best ( he thinks do anyway )
I'm just getting pissed of now as it's been going on yrs and I seem to be getting no where , when I started the gel back in April it did help my mood but lately my mood is flat and motivation is really bad ..
I'm post menopause coming 6 yrs in Dec and I'm 52 yrs old I feel like 90 most days
Guess that's the joys of thus awful menopause
Kaz xx
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Why not citrate Birdy? I'd read that it was the better option before I started taking magnesium supplements.
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I had seen if you were taking too much it gives you laxative effect, I've never had that taking 300mg at night for the last 4 months. I will look into it again though if it is inferior to the rest.
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Thanks Birdy, I think it was in relation to the bioavailability and helping with reflux primarily that I decided at the time to go with it.
Citrate might sound familiar too—consider it an erudite way of saying that it's derived from citric acid (in this case, magnesium salt is obtained from the citrus acid). With excellent bioavailability—that is, the efficacy with which a substance is absorbed and used by the body—it's no wonder magnesium citrate one of the most highly recommended magnesium supplements by health professionals. Often used to naturally support digestion—specifically, to alleviate constipation and acid indigestion—it's also, bonus points, easy on the wallet. However, it may lead to dehydration (and the imbalance of minerals that arrives with this), in that it pulls water into the intestines.
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I will call into local chemist /health shop and see what they can recommend for me as I said I'm on few different meds so I do need to be careful what else I add to the mix ..
Thank you all for your support you lovely ladies 🌺
Kaz xx
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I swallowed over the counter magnesium in high dosage to ease a persistent cough. Works on relaxing the reflex muscle - however, it worked on the bowel too ::)
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maybe I should have upped the dose yest when I was constipated!! :rofl:
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... as long as you are near a loo with a very good book :D
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Birdy
Thanks for asking , I'm nit to bad as I'm over the provera thankfully so don't need it again until Sep which I see my GP on 4th Sep so hopefully when I see her face to face she can change the provera instead of stopping the whole bloody thing like they done over the phone 😡 If not il just stick it out and pray my surgery isnt much longer
How are you birdy ?
Kaz xx
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Hi Karen
Just to sympathise and say just hold on there. My anxiety has been up and down with no patters since Peri 4 years ago started regardless of that regime I have tried for how long (HRT patches, tablets , vits - been there done that). I have months of feeling much better and weeks of feeling awful anxiety wise then end up at the GP in tears (see 8 GPs plus Meno clinic). Nothing has ' stabilised' my anxiety ( I have never been on ADs). I know it is hormonal or adrenaline/cortisol related and that I ' hype it up' myself when it kicks in if I ' let it'. It really is the pits. GPs have no answer, we all seem to get good and very bad times. Eating well, exercise, stress reduction all help but when it ramps up ( for me pre-menstrual) it seems to override everything else. I read, walk or watch a film and try and wait for it to pass.
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Hi squeaker
Such an awful bloody thing this menopause isn't it !!!
I've days where I feel almost normal then next day I could be in floods of tears with out a reason ( tho the estrogel has helped that ) I can cope with most things but my anxiety is just awful when it hits me , guess we just have to enjoy our good days abd ride the waves on the bad days ...
Chatting on here and knowing your not alone really does help
Thank you for your kinds words abd hopefully anxiety will give you a break
Kaz 😘 x
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hi Karen. Hope you are feeling better - these things seem to come and go, peak and trough.
I felt like the pits a few weeks ago - sleep and anxiety terrible but am doing daily 'positive affirmations' and
some reduce stress 5 minute meditations. They seem to have helped. I just train and surround myself with
positive noise (radio), thoughts. I really am not pushing it but the sleep or stress Paul McKenna book/cd has been good.
Very simple and all about just committing and practising being positive. (Having said that I will probably be back to the blues in 3 weeks again and posting here at 3am!).
I tell myslef my negative voice and thoughts are not in my head but a little annoying voice aside from me which I now tell to 'shut up' and then distract my self - put David Bowie on loudly!
It isn't easy. I really think there is an element of fighting the anxiety part of this. Huge to you.
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I find this all really puzzling - started out on utrogestan & it immediately sparked off terrible morning anxiety. Stopping it made no difference , anxiety has remained ever since. Utrogestan was also making me terribly depressed & awful withdrawal, so I changed to provera. Anxiety remains as bad as ever, but i get on much better with it in every other way.
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Well racjen, provera being better for you than Utrogestan, apart from the anxiety is a good thing but you really have had to go through the mill to find that out. Everything is so difficult but at least now you can get someone to help you to focus on fixing the anxiety which you now know isn't linked to progesterone - mind you that's another uphill struggle, easier said than done - but yet on the other hand you can stop worrying your anxiety is the progesterone part of hrt. Hope you are feeling a bit better in yourself xx :bighug:
Oh my giddy aunt - why did god design women this way - he was clearly having an off day!!! >:(
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I have an estrogen patch and don't need progesterone after a hysterectomy.I suffer with chronic anxiety some days and I no this is worse with fluctuating hormones. Now and then I cut a bit of the patch 50mcg to see how I feel as to be honest I'm fed up side affects even after six years.To much estrogen for me makes me a nervous wreak , jump at every loud noise, nausea adrenalin pumping around its terrible what I did the last few weeks was cut a small bit of patch to see how I feel again ! I found that the anxiety wasent so bad but the flushes and insomnia came back so last week put a full patch on now anxiety through the roof just can't win I'm afraid.
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Hi ladies
Hope your all feeling a little better ???
I've appointment with GP this Monday to ask to get changed from provera as it's definitely not helping me at all infect the side effects start the very next day after taking it , so meno clinic has told me to ask GP to change to different pill ( guess this will be a battle to have pill changed )
I'm getting along with the gel 4xpumps per day so that's good 😊
I will jump on and let you know how I get on at GP appointment
Fingers crossed I get sorted out
Kaz xx
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Anxiety :(
I would like my old life back. The one I had pre the peri-menopause.
At the moment, I feel like I'm about to sit an exam when all I'm doing is putting out the washing. I've felt like this since I woke up today. 3 Danish pastries have not helped ;D
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Hi you lovely ladies
Just to let yous know , was at GP today about getting the provera ( new GP yet again ) she hadn't a clue what tablet to change he to , she wanted to swap me back to the patches which I coukdnt get as they had stopped making them , told her no I wanted to stay with the gel as it was helping me , so I'm home awaiting to call her back tomorrow to see if she has read up on what pill I can be given instead of provera 😡😡😡😡😡😡
Take about rage !!! I'm bloody going crazy here , why don't they know anything about hrt ???
Kaz 😘 xxxx
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Birdy
I came out of the surgery so annoyed , I wanted to yell and scream at her but then I thought best kept my month shut , she had no clue what the he'll I was talking about !!
Il phone her tomorrow see if she has been in touch with hrt so they can advise her !!
I will keep you posted
And yes our health service is going from bad to worse makes me so bloody angry 😡
Kaz 😘 xx
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Birdy
It's a disgrace that GP,s know nothing about hrt , that there is 6 doctors in my group Patrice abd not one have a clue
Yes I will keep you posted
Kaz x
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Hi ladies
Just to let yous know my GP called me today to say she gad been on the phone to hrt clinic there isn't another tablet rather than provera she can give me ??? Yet hrt clinic me 8 weeks ago there was !!!
She did offer me the patch ..... the patch I can longer get from. Any chemist as they have stop making it 😡😡
So it's provera for me until I get my surgery , pray for me it's not much longer as these bloody provera definitely don't agree with me at all
Kaz xx
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Birdy
No she wasn't able to tell me but she did say it shouldn't be much longer ( il not hold my breath )
I started my provera last night so I normally get to day 3 before my tummy starts then the headaches and the mushy head feeling ..
Are you feeling any better ?
Kaz x
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Birdy
It's a bloody nightmare all of it .. and I'm getting really pissed of now with them telling me different things , hrt clinic told me to reduce the provera to 12 days every 8 weeks as side effects were so bad from it then they told my GP no tell her to go back onto them every 4 weeks bloody hell no wonder I'm confused
Aw birdy I was really hoping you would be feeling better you really are having awful time of it and I know exactly how you feel as anxiety floored me 2 yrs ago it was the worse thing ever
Kaz xx
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Birdy
Just jumped on to see how you are feeling ? Any better ?
I've been thinking about you and I really hope your feeling a bit better 😘
I'm on day 7 of provera so if I make it to day 10 il stop it ( noway can I do 12 days )
Mind you still no bleed yet but cramps in tummy are really bad so guess it's on it's way
Kaz 😘 x
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Birdy
Hopefully your feeling bit better ?
Mirtzapam done same with me , I was put on 15 mg then 30 mg then up to 45mg but they just made me feel really ill . I was on them around 14 months in total but had to get of them.
are you feeling any better from starting them ? They just made me feel dead inside !!
Kaz 😘 xx
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Your GP knows nowt! and is so, so wrong not to support you :-\
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CLKD
They are really so annoying with their attuid they don't listen at all at how you feel and they know that bloody Provera wrecks me this is my last night on using it until next month but it's really kicked my anxiety of in turn then starts my tummy going crazy
Kaz x